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hello it's wednesday it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme top story: theresa may says the gender pay gap is a burning injustice which must be tackled. companies have until midnight tonight to publish their own stats, what will they show? one of them is the fact that there is less senior women in senior roles in industry generally. so how do we best tackle the gender pay gap? your suggestions are one. also on the programme, 48 murders on the streets of london in the space ofjust three months. we'll ask what can be done to cut the growing violence. and, the hidden problem of aloholism amongst british punjabis at the age of 22, i was told that i would not see my 23rd birthday, i developed jaundice, i started bleeding from everywhere you can think of. and even everywhere you
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cannot think of! i was by no means a normal 22—year—old. we'll talk to those affected. hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11. throughout the morning we'll bring you the latest breaking news and developing stories. a little later we'll tell you the almost unbelievable story of a man whose hotel room was destroyed by a flock of seagulls. totally trashed. he had left some pepperoni out... needed it cool, so kept it by the window.
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it's better than it sounds! that full story before 10. our top story today, theresa may has promised to tackle what she's described as the "burning injustice" of the uk's gender pay gap, the difference between the average earnings of men and women. companies with 250 or more employees have until midnight to publish figures showing how their workforces are affected. most of the nine thousand employers have already done so, and more than three quarters pay their men more on average than women. joining me now isjessica parker. 78% of these companies pay men more than women, 13 pay women more than men and eight have no difference at all, companies have until midnight to publish the gender pay gap, applying to more than 9000 firms, more than 250 employees, the gender pay gap is different to equal pay, it is the percentage difference between average hourly earnings for men and women, taking the median rate for men and women. once this
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data is all published, then what happens? then, the hope is, it will apply pressure to companies, so that they will, the former prime minister, david cameron, said sunlight is the best disinfectant, put pressure on companies, once published, to act where there is a problem. looking at some of the figures, ryanair has reported a 71.8% gender pay gap but it is arguing what is going on is a lot of the pilots are men, lower paid staff are women, some criticise this system saying it is crude, it will misrepresent what is really going on in companies. thank you very much, we will talk later on. this isjust into us, a 16—year—old boy shot on monday night in walthamstow in london has been named locally as amaan shakoor. he was attacked after a 17—year—old woman was shot in totte n ha m
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a 17—year—old woman was shot in tottenham nearby, highlighting concerns about gun violence in totte n ha m , concerns about gun violence in tottenham, something we will talk about later on. three people have been injured in a shooting at youtube's headquarters in california. a 36—year—old man is in a critical condition. police say the woman who opened fire, later killed herself. she's been identified as nasim aghdam who was 39 and of iranian descent. she'd previously posted messages on the internet that were critical of youtube. us police are yet to comment on the motivation for the shooting. this is the dramatic moment when police entered youtube's headquarters. moments later they would find a gunwoman dead, killed they say by a self—inflicted gunshot wound. before apparently taking her own life the suspect is said to have used a handgun to shoot and injured three people.
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she has got her head wrapped, glasses on, she took the gun out, pop, pop, pop. i was listening to it. it was not blanks. i was only 30 feet away. employees at the video—sharing company, one of silicon valley's most powerful and well known, posted clips of themselves barricaded into their offices. we are an incredibly tight—knit community within youtube and it feels like a family. today it feels like the entire community and all of the employees were victims of this crime. our hearts go out to those who suffered in this particular attack and our prayers are with them and their families. police said when they arrived they were greeted with chaotic scenes as youtube employees tried to desperately flee the scene of this attack. us media reports have suggested that the most seriously injured,
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a 36—year—old man, was the boyfriend of the gunwoman, but police are yet to give any official hint as to a possible motive. the chief executive of google which owns youtube described the attack as an unimaginable tragedy. other messages of support came in from companies such as uber, apple and twitter. dramatic footage of all too frequent shootings in america often appear on sites like youtube. staff have been left in shock that something like this could happen in their own back yard. here, a 16—year—old boy who was shot on monday night in walthamstow, east london, and who died in hospital has been named locally as amaan shakoor. he was attacked a short time after a 17—year—old girl was shot dead a few miles away in tottenham. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, has promised to fight what he called the "violent scourge" of gun and knife crime in the city. jon donnison reports. another day in london,
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another murder investigation. this time in walthamstow, where a 16—year—old boy, shot on monday night, succumbed to his injuries. just a few miles away in tottenham, the community is mourning another dead teenager. seventeen—year—old tanesha melbourne was with friends when she was killed in a drive—by shooting, also on monday evening. those who knew her have described her as a beautiful, lively and bubbly girl. this map shows every murder in the capital this year. forty eight now in total. behind each mark, a family bereaved and coming to terms with their loss. some are blaming a lack of police funding. i've never seen resources so scarce on the ground to be able to have the relationships with people to get the community to support what our police are doing. we've lost 100 police from around here already due to the cuts coming through from government.
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i've stood up in parliament to beg and plead for people so that we can start getting community intelligence. the government says it is taking measures to break the deadly cycle of violence. in recent years across england and wales, there has been a rise in violent crime. some of it related to gangs. but the levels are still far below what they were in, say, the mid—1990s. that will be little comfort, though, for those mourning in london this week. jon donnison, bbc news. the duke of edinburgh will have surgery on his hip later on today. he was admitted to the private king edward vii hospital in central london yesterday for the planned operation. prince philip, who is 96, is understood to have had hip trouble for about a month. an emergency meeting has been called by russia to discuss the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter in the uk. the kremlin has demanded the meeting at the world's chemical weapons watchdog in the hague to ask britain for more information
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about the attack. on tuesday, the head of the laboratory examining the nerve agent said it could not identify the precise source of it. anna holligan reports. what was the substance, where did it come from and who planted it? theresa may told parliament the attack involved a military—grade nerve agent and that the only plausible explanation was that russia was culpable, an allegation moscow has repeatedly denied. yesterday, the head of britain's military research centre at porton down confirmed it had identified the highly toxic novichok but was unable to prove where it had been produced. investigators from the opcw visited salisbury and collected samples. they're expecting to have the results of independent lab
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tests within a week. as a signatory of the chemical weapons convention, russia has the right to request a meeting. thirteen questions have been posed by moscow, including what kind of evidence the uk provided to the opcw, which inspectors were sent, who they met with and where the samples are being analysed. anna holligan, bbc news, in the hague. an investigation for this programme has revealed that more than a quarter of british sikhs can identify someone in their family with an alcohol problem. the findings also suggest that there are 60% more deaths from alcohol among the uk's punjabis than the rest of the population despite drinking alcohol being prohibited for practising sikhs. there are around 430,000 sikhs in the uk, making up a significant proportion of the punjabi population. commemorations have been taking place in the united states to mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination of the civil rights leader martin luther king. one event was held at the church
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in memphis where king gave his final speech and his daughter told the audience that america should repent for its failure to eliminate racism. nada tawfik reports. at the mason temple church, dr martin luther king's children, closest advisers and his admirers gather to honour his life and legacy and promise to keep his dream alive. as part of his larger campaign against poverty. laws prohibiting segregation and enshrining the right to vote for all led to integration, but true equality, he believed, meant fighting economic injustice. ambassador andrew young was one of his closest advisers, travelling with him in memphis. i'm almost certain he knew his days were numbered. and that if he was going to lose his life, he didn't want to lose it in new york or washington. he wanted to give his life to what he would say, "the least of these god's children," and he wanted to die fighting poverty. and give his life, he did.
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on the balcony of the lorraine motel, he was assassinated by sniper. the fatal shot was fired at 6:01pm and to mark the moment, bells will ring here and around the nation 39 times to mark the number of years dr king lived. when reflecting on his legacy, his contribution to american history compared with the shortness of his life is striking and inspiring. nada tawfik, bbc news, memphis. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 9.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. right, opening ceremony for the commonwealth games is a little over an hour away. mike bushell is lucky enough to be in australia's gold coast.
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iam not i am not jealous i am notjealous in the slightest(!) what the weeks back? it hasjust been raining, stopped at the moment. it will be quite a spectacle, -- what are we expecting? it will be a great atmosphere in this stadium but it is for the great atmosphere in this stadium but it is forthe1.5 great atmosphere in this stadium but it is for the 1.5 billion people watching on television is around the world that they really put on the show, that is where you can appreciate all the effort, the visual entertainment, that has gone into it, 4000 local volunteers involved in planning this since early 2016 and it really does seem that the stage is set now, the people have gone off the stadium now, to get ready, vacuuming it earlier, and the people have started coming in, spectators have started coming in, spectators have started coming into the stadium. as to the main themes, we can expect a lot of it is secret, top secret, a lot of sand across the middle, that
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suggests there will be a beach theme, a lot of life—saving events and surfing. one of the common themes will be a reconciliation with the indigenous culture here. we can expect a certain amount of that famous aussie humour as well. i am told many a bit of gold coast with a lot of aussie humour thrown in. when does the action gets under way? we do not have to wait too long after the tour and a half hour ceremony. you are lucky because tonight your time just after midnight is the first medal event. it will take a little while for it to be decided because it is the women's triathlon which kicks it all off. on the first day there are 13 sports taking place like swimming, the heats for that, the
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first gymnastics and also some balls not far away from here. but that said, that is the reason that not all of the 4500 athletes taking part in these games, representing 71 nations, will be here at the opening ceremony. many will have to get early night ahead of their competitions starting tomorrow. please tell me people are talking about that incredible goal from ronaldo last night for real madrid againstjuventus? ronaldo last night for real madrid against juventus? that last people have stopped talking about steve smith and the ball tampering affair. it is amazing, it has been all the networks. a lot of people are saying it is the greatest goal ever. it was 3-0 it is the greatest goal ever. it was 3—0 victory overjuventus. it has been across the networks in australia and you have to remember this is a country in which soccer is way down the pecking order. this is the home of the gold coast sons, the
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aussie rules teams. you have got aussie rules teams. you have got aussie rules, cricket and rugby league and rugby union before soccer. but this goal has got eve ryo ne soccer. but this goal has got everyone talking, soccer fans or not. chris, thank you. the goal was going in any way, wasn't it? i would not say that to ronaldo's says. good morning. good morning. alcoholism is a hidden problem in britain's punjabi community. why? because strictly speaking if you're sikh you're not meant to drink, which means it's not something that's talked about openly and when it is, it can lead to people being shunned. but with 60% more deaths from alcohol amongst uk punjabi's from alcohol amongst uk punjabis than the rest of the population it is an issue which can't be ignored. a survey for this programme suggested that 27% of british sikhs report having someone in their family with an alcohol problem. so let's talk about it. our reporter tulip mazumdar has been to meet those affected. i lost my mum when i was 15. i was drunk the day she died. it's a hidden problem. the uk's punjabi community
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is struggling with widespread alcoholism. nobody spoke about it and it was all hush—hush and pretend that everything's normal to the outside world. support groups have sprung up in places of worship. probably the biggest sikh temple in the uk has acknowledged that this is a big problem in the community. there are calls for the nhs to have more targeted services. we have a limited amount of training and cultural awareness, of the stigma, of the subtleties and the layers that we have within subcultures. but something so seemingly embedded will not be easy to change. i have the memory of when i'm around three or maybe four years old. i would play the drums in front of my dad's friends and as a reward for me playing, somebody would dip their finger into a glass and just touch it on my lips and if i was lucky enough, some of that would actually go into my mouth. so that was the beginning of my affair with alcohol.
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bhupinder kullar, known in the music industry as tubsy, nearly lost his life to alcohol. born in birmingham, he is part of the uk's indian punjabi community, those originally from the punjab region of the subcontinent. punjabis have a strong, vibrant cultural identity, but this mostly silent battle with alcoholism is going on in homes throughout this tight—knit community. even at a young age, tubsy was encouraged to drink. at seven years of age i went to india and to fit in, more than anything else... my uncle was a big drinker. to fit in, he poured a drink i said, "yeah, i'll have some of that," and i downed it in one and they were like, "wow! he's a seven—year—old kid, he's born in england, and these british kids have really got something here!" i was the centre of attention and i loved it, i loved all of that. over time, his drinking progressed to dangerous levels. but while having a few good drinks
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is celebrated by many members of the punjabi sikh community, problem drinking often results in being ostracised. and it's often the stigma surrounding alcoholism that stops people getting the medical help they need before it becomes critical. tubsy remembers how his father tried to keep his problem quiet. we had to hide my problem from family, from society, from neighbours, from everyone. he had to hide it from my siblings. he had to pretend that everything was fine. at the age of 22, the doctors had told me that i wouldn't see my 23rd birthday. i developed jaundice. i started bleeding from everywhere you can think of, and even everywhere you can't think of. i was by no means a normal 22—year—old. sadly tubsy isn't the only one whose life has been affected by alcohol. the punjabi community is known
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for its great hospitality, putting on big colourful parties with plenty of delicious food and lots of alcohol. strictly speaking, practising sikhs aren't allowed to drink alcohol but this bbc survey found that almost two thirds do and more than a quarter said somebody in theirfamily had had a problem with alcohol. if he was really bad, i wouldn't have the children in the house. they'd stay over somewhere or i'd take them out for their tea or we'd go away to my mum and dads. dharvinder lives with her husband jaz in derby. during the early part of their marriage, jaz was an alcoholic, drinking as much as a litre of spirits a day. my lad was... i remember, he was probably only four or five, he would plead with me not to go out. my daughter was older. without saying anything she was yelling out to me, "dad, don't have a drink, don't go out". it breaks you a little bit.
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well, actually a lot. he would be there making noises or banging doors orjust shouting, just cos he could. dharvinder tried to help jaz but instead, as is common for women in the community, she was the one who was blamed. it's the first thing they do when something goes wrong in a marriage or a family. it's the woman's fault straightaway, cos they never want to put the blame on the person. they just try to think of alternatives or different reasons why but never the actual real reason, that they're an addict. and what about the community? did you get much support from them? no. it was... nobody really wanted to talk about it or acknowledge it. there's a number of people in the community who are still in denial. and so i think it's still an ongoing process of trying to open up the fact that this is happening within the community. dr gurprit pannu has carried out research on alcoholism in the punjabi community and says
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other medical professionals must wake up to the scale of the problem. what's happening particularly with the punjabi community, especially because they seem to be biologically susceptible to alcohol damage, is that there are more deaths overall related to alcohol use, and this is something that is not widely known. what sits underneath that are all the social problems that also occur. so what we know is that alcohol is related to domestic violence, it's related to difficulties that children experience, it's related to unemployment, financial problems, it's related to road traffic accidents, it's related to violent crime and so forth. so there is all this hidden social illness that's also present. so, what contributes to this big drinking culture? many believe the tradition of huge, boozy wedding celebrations could play a part. in the punjabi culture, to be a good host you've got to put out a decent amount of alcohol that is all laid on for free. that's part of the hospitality thing.
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even those people who would normally drink in moderation, they find themselves, "well, you know what? it's here, it's free, it's meant to be enjoyed. why not? who's going to count the units?" and the music scene too, with many bhangra lyrics celebrating alcohol. a lot of the songs are based on drinking and how it should be enjoyed. the myth is that it doubles the effect, you know. you're drinking, you're dancing and you're listening to somebody telling you that, yeah, you're drinking and you're dancing and you're having a good time. and some of it's that ego and the machoism and, "look at me, i can put away x amount of booze. i'm a bigger man than you are," or, "the lads are going to go out, the lads are going to do that and the lads are going to do that," so that is a big
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part of the culture too. slowly but surely, help is coming and, in some cases, from the very heart of the community. now, as a recovering alcoholic, jaz has established a support group in a sikh temple or gurdwara, in southall, west london. we're here to share our strengths, hopes and experiences and addiction. my younger brother died from this disease. i've seen guys that i know commit suicide due to relationships breaking down due to their drinking. my drinking was definitely taking me down that path. i started drinking when i was 16, like any other teenager experimenting. over the years, it quickly spiralled out of control. hosting a support group like this whilst prayers continue downstairs sends out a very powerful message that those battling alcohol addictions don't need to be alone, surrounded by shame and stigma. that there is help out there,
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here in the gurdwaras, for example, at the very heart of the sikh community. people talking openly about their journeys has made people — management committees, the elders in the community, even the priests, some of the sikh elders — to realise that there is a problem and we need to do something about it. we can'tjust keep sweeping it under the carpet. i knew i had a problem but eventually i think my family knew as well. i think for a while they were in denial, cos as an asian woman, coming out so openly can be very difficult. it got to a point where my family did sit me down and book me in for treatment. i went for treatment this last year, 2017, december, and i came out january and i've been nearly three months clean. congratulations. i was absolutely amazed with the response we've notjust had from the temple committee but from the community. but still a lot of them
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are reluctant to come forward because it still that fear of coming forward and coming out. it's important work that is starting to make a difference, but health professionals believe that if real and lasting change is to happen, the nhs must play a bigger role. we have a limited amount of training in cultural awareness that does break through those barriers of the stigma, the subtleties and the layers we have within subcultures, which need to be understood with training and with more thought about it. so i think is a lot more that needed to think about why are we getting so i think is a lot more that's needed to think about why are we getting people that are younger? why are people from the punjabi community accessing more medical services, and emergency departments, and then coming through to community teams, and why are they not able to access detox and outreach in the same way? what is lacking in that area? we're not looking for abstinence. it's about moderation. and resetting the social norms, in terms of alcohol intake.
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and the way you can do that is looking at gps, how they advertise alcohol services. you can look at having outreach services that outreach into the community at certain salient points. so, for example, into homelessness shelters, into domestic violence charities and so forth. so reaching out into the community communities, pulling people out and highlighting this problem from an early stage. for tubsy, it all came to a head two days before he was getting married in india. bitten by a poisonous snake and having suffered serious alcohol damage already, his liver collapsed and he later entered a coma. tubsy survived but he was given a stark warning. the surgeon that had actually saved me at that time, he said, "i've got a message for you. if you ever want to commit suicide, don't bother picking up a gun, a knife or a rope. just pick up the drink and that will do it."
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change can take time but even for those living in the grip of alcoholism right now, tubsy is living proof that it is possible to get free and live a happy life once more. by the grace of god, i've got three beautiful children. still with the same wife. my music career is ten, 15, 20 times as busy now as i ever was before. but most of all, every day i remember what it was like because if i forget what it was like i mayjust slip up again tomorrow. you can share your own experiences. if you have relevant personal experience, let me know. and there is an online article on the bbc news website which you can read and share. still to come: as london's murder toll rises to 48 injust three months, we ask why crime is increasing
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in the capital and what can be done to tackle the problem. and the comedy of errors that led to a hotel room being ransacked by a flock of seagulls. we'll tell you the story of a man who's now been pardoned for the unfortunate incident. time for the latest news headlines this morning. theresa may has promised to tackle what she's described as the "burning injustice" of the uk's gender pay gap — that's the difference between the average earnings of men and women. companies with 250 or more employees have until midnight to publish figures showing how their workforces are affected. most of the nine thousand employers have already done so — and more than three quarters pay their men more on average than women. three people have been injured in a shooting at youtube's headquarters in california. she's been identified as nasim aghdam who was 39
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she appears to have had a grudge against the firm but police have not yet commented on the shooting. 16—year—old boy has been named locally as amaan shakoor, attacked a short time after 17—year—old girl was shot dead a few miles away in totte n ha m. was shot dead a few miles away in tottenham. the mayor of london sadiq khan has promised to fight what he called the violence scourge of knife and gun crime in london. duke of edinburgh will have surgery
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on his hip later on today. prince philip, 96, is understood to have had hip trouble for about a month. an investigation for this programme has revealed that more than a quarter of british sikhs can identify someone in their family with an alcohol problem. the findings also suggest that there are 60% more deaths from alcohol among the uk's punjabis than the rest of the population — despite drinking alcohol being prohibited for practising sikhs. there are around 430,000 sikhs in the uk, making up a significant proportion of the punjabi population. commemorations are taking place across america to mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination of the civil rights leader, martin luther king. at the lorraine motel in memphis where he was shot, and where the national civil rights museum is now housed, a day of remembrance will combine performance and speeches to reflect on the past and ongoing struggle for equality. that's a summary of the latest bbc news.
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this e—mailfrom this e—mail from someone who wishes to remain anonymous, about alcoholism among british punjabis, i was married to a sick man but our marriage fell apart because of his drinking, and the physical and emotional abuse he doled out when extremely drunk. —— sikh man. it ruined my life and that of our son. we are going to talk more about it in the next hour, let us know your experience and that will feed into the conversation. here's some sport now with will. the opening ceremony for the commonwealth games takes place on the gold coast in australia this morning, more than 4500 athletes from 71 nations and territories will compete the 275 gold medals, the action starts around midnight tonight, one of the greatest goals in champions league history, have a look at this, cristiano ronaldo,
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beauty of a bicycle kick for real madrid, winning 3—0 atjuventus, elsewhere, bayern munich 2—1winners against sevilla, tonight, the mouthwatering all english last eight tie with liverpool taking on manchester city at anfield, jurgen klopp's team is the only team to beat manchester city in the premier league this season. steve smith will not appeal against his 12 month ban for ball tampering, he says he meant what he said about taking full responsibility. he says he has accepted the charge and cricket australia need to send a strong message. theresa may has promised to tackle what she's described as the "burning injustice" of the uk's gender pay gap, that's the difference between the average earnings of men and women. companies with 250 or more employees have until midnight to publish figures showing how their workforces are affected. most of the nine thousand employers have already done it and more than three quarters pay their men more on average than women. -- 9,000.
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it's a question with serious implications in the debate around gender equality and it boils down to this — do women in the labour market get paid less than men — and, if so, by how much? in answering this question, there are two separate things to keep in mind. first up, the gender pay gap. the gender pay gap deals with the average difference in pay between men and women, and it is calculated as the percentage difference between the average hourly earnings of male and female employees. across the uk as a whole, including both full and part—time work, the gender pay gap is currently around 18.4%. that's down from 27.5% in 1997. if you only look at full—time workers, the pay gap drops to 9.1%. but that's still a significant figure. and remember, that's just an average. in some industries, the gap is much worse. so, what explains this split?
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well, statistics say that women are still more likely to work in lower paid and lower skilled jobs and the equality and human rights commission has found that discrimination against mums is also a factor. others point to the fact that women tend to take more responsibility for the care of children and the elderly, meaning that women are more likely to take part—time roles with fewer opportunities for getting on at work. employers including the bbc have been criticised lately for not doing enough to close the gender pay gap. meanwhile, aviva, 27.6%, easyjet, 45%, and virgin money, 38.4%, each acknowledge having large pay gaps, but all of these companies say they pay men and women the same for doing the same job. which brings us to the second key point. equal pay, that men and women doing the same
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job should be paid the same, is not the same as the gender pay gap. equal pay has been a legal requirement in the uk for nearly 50 years. employers are obliged to pay men and women with the same responsibilities equally and can face legal action if they fail to do so. so, whilst the gender pay gap is a measure of the difference in earnings between men and women across an organisation, whatever their position, equal pay is the requirement for employers to pay men and women who are doing the same job the same wage. which brings us to what's happening today. businesses with 250 or more employees have until midnight tonight to report their gender pay gap or they might face a fine. this means that employees will be able to see at the click of a button whether there is a gender pay gap at their organisation, and how big it is. we can speak now to labour mp dawn butler who is the party's
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equality spokesperson, and to kate andrews from a think tank called the institute of economic affairs who argue for less government regulation. she thinks the stats behind the gender pay gap are meaningless. the gender pay gap is more or less meaningful depending upon whether you are comparing men and women in like—for—like circumstances, u nfortu nately like—for—like circumstances, unfortunately these pay gap measures do that in no capacity, they do not breakdown drops, or age, do that in no capacity, they do not breakdown drops, orage, or experience, or time taken out of the workforce, so you might as well say that you are comparing senior managers to junior managers, people with blue eyes to people with brown eyes, it would have the same level of legitimacy, which is to say, no legitimacy at all. there are issues in regard to the data but what is clear is that there is disparity between... there is a gender pay gap
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and what is more important is how we close the gender pay gap, what actions will be taken by organisations to close the gender pay gap and i think that is the key... if you acknowledge there is issues with the data, the second conversation is not strictly releva nt conversation is not strictly relevant until you have sorted out meaningful data, if you access it is not that meaningful. the fact is there is a gender pay gap, and employers who have reported on their agenda reporting have said that they are shocked that there is such a huge gap in terms of gender pay and gender disparity, the key is to be, we know there is a gender pay gap, how are companies and organisations going to fix it and the government of the labour party has said we all do it, but then you must have an action plan to close it, if you do not do that there will be sanctions and fines associated, if you do that, there will be rewards, access to government contracts. so those
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ways there is an incentive for organisations to operate in a more inclusive manner. —— the government and the labour party. there are all kinds of gender pay gap that can be calculated, 9.1% for full—time workers, —5.1% for part—time workers in favour of women, there are gender pay gap is across—the—board, the question is, how meaningful are there? a lot of companies have had to report on figures that are not reflective of their organisations and my biggest concern is that it is being conflated with equal pay. not on this programme. not on this programme but look at the government website, it says that women and experts on to less than men, many women in this company, even those in companies who have big gender pay gap supported, are not sitting in offices earning less than the man beside them. are you saying that the gender pay gap that is emerging is
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justified? i think if you look at companies like easyjet, a very good case that they are trying to recruit more female pilots, until they can literally find women who they can hire into the roles, the pay gap will be substantial, they should not be penalised. i reject a lot of the figures out today, i don't take them seriously. the action plan will reflect that, so with an organisation, we are actively going out and recruiting and making sure we are not discriminating against gender biased roles, all of those will be taken into account, it is notjust will be taken into account, it is not just about penalising will be taken into account, it is notjust about penalising because there is a gap. i have the figures for ryanair, they pay women 67% less than men on average, they say a similar thing to easyjet, the disparity is because of the number of pilots they employ, 546 are men, eight are women, is that acceptable? what we need to do is look at what their action plan is, if there is some bias in the recruitment process, for instance, and... and if
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there isn't? must establish whether there isn't? must establish whether there isn't? must establish whether there is or is not, what we have found is most organisations, there is an unconscious bias when it comes to recruiting women because people recruit in their own image and because men are making a lot of the decisions, they recruit a lot of men. is that fair, unconscious bias. i think we have that in every single walk of life, i would not reject that but the problem is none of the reporting data shows that, you cannot claim that from the figures out today, you cannot claim anything really about gender discrimination because this is not done like for like comparisons, there is no evidence from the data that employers are disseminating against women or women are not getting promoted or evidence that this is about gender or age orjob or many other things. there is masses of anecdotal evidence, you must accept that. i think the stories of women who come forward to say they were disseminated against are so important to us until we have equal pay legislation in the uk, nobody wa nts to pay legislation in the uk, nobody
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wants to roll that back. —— and we have equal pay legislation. we cannot use anecdotal evidence for public policy, failure is a part of life but cannot be a part of public policy and this data is failing us and women because it is not giving and women because it is not giving an accurate reflection of their lives in the workforce.|j an accurate reflection of their lives in the workforce. i agree the government is failing women in more ways than one, and they continually do that, in many ways, theresa may talks about tackling burning injustices, her policies are adding fuel to the fire over and over and over again. inaudible a labour party, a labour government policy, what this government has doneis policy, what this government has done is enacted section 78 of the equal pay act, bought in by the labour government. not doing it correctly or in the way that we would like to see it be done.“ correctly or in the way that we would like to see it be done. if you we re would like to see it be done. if you were in power, you would find companies if there was evidence of this domination, would you? no, we would find them if they do not
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report and published the gender pay gap data, but there would be rewards as well, people often say, how do these big organisations get these government contracts that are worth billions of pounds? that is a very good question, we would be more transparent, we would say, if this isa very transparent, we would say, if this is a very good company that is working towards equality in their recruitment practices, fairness, looking at maternity and paternity leave, flexible working in order to help to close the pay gap, then they will be rewarded with government contracts. that is from a better society that works for the many and not the few. thank you both. as a london mp, i wanted to ask you about violence in the capital, 48 murders in the capital this year, had tried to blame this horrific figure, some people have pointed to police cuts, some people point to a reduction in stop and search yet there are also other things to take into account, like, music, drill music, music
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videos that glamorise violence, drill music is like grime but it is much more violence oriented. there is not one problem, there is not one solution, there are many problems, many solutions to the issues, i think that music in itself, often does not generate violence but sometimes, there is beef between different groups and that can generate violence, but it is not all gang violence, some of it is young people carrying weapons, because they think it makes them more safe, it does not. cuts play a huge part in all of this. from the very beginning from sure start to the school is having enough resources to be able to teach a class. there is so much to do. we
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have to ensure we all play our part in society because we have lost too many lives and too often and in my constituency we have lost too many lives and it has to stop. we all have to take responsibility for that. the government needs to look at all of the cuts that have been implemented from government to local authorities where they are unable to provide just the basic services. the youth services are always the first to go often with local authorities because they think it is a soft measure. it is very damaging. would they use the youth services? that universal saying that the devil makes work for idle hands i think is very prevalent here. it is notjust about gang members. it is notjust about gang members. it is notjust about gangs. it is about how we treat and how we value people in society and how they are treated at every stage of their lives. there is
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a huge disparity to have some young people are treated at every stage in their lives and we have to look at that. thank you both very much. we are going to talk more about this because enough is enough is what many people are saying. 48 murders on the streets of london in the space of 92 days. that's an average of one every other day. the vast majority are victims of knife crime. the last two have been shootings. in the same three months last year there were 23 murders. so what's fuelling this rise in gun and knife crime in the capital city? with us now to discuss this is kevin campbell who is a former gang member and who says two of his friends were murdered, one shot, one stabbed, and now helps young people to turn their lives around. the labour mp sarahjones set up the all—party parliamentary group on knife crime and recently spoke with the home secretary about how to tackle the problem. she represents croydon central which has had one murder this year and a number of stabbings. thank you both
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very much for talking to us. ok, i wa nt to very much for talking to us. ok, i want to talk first of all about police numbers and stop and search. the latest figures show that big tween 2010 and 2016 the number of these officers in english and welsh forces fell to just under 19,000. how forces fell to just under 19,000. h ow releva nt forces fell to just under 19,000. how relevant is that to the number of murders in the capital? what i actually believe is that when you drop the number of officers who are actually in our society, what happens is it fuels the crime. some members who may be involved in a gang they see that as like a window of opportunity to sometimes leave their house and do the wrong stuff. soi their house and do the wrong stuff. so i think that was the completely
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wrong decision because if there were more officers on the streets, a lot more officers on the streets, a lot more people would feel more protected 100%. now that safe haven has been removed and that means there will keep being a rise in crime, what we are seeing now. sarah jones, i want to ask you about stop and search. the police use and search when there is evidence, when there is an evidence —based reason for stopping and searching somebody. it used to be simply about suspicion. should that change again? i think suspicion. should that change again? ithink our suspicion. should that change again? i think ourface suspicion. should that change again? i think our face time has frozen. apologies. we will go back to sarah jones in a moment. kevin, can i ask you about social media and gangs in
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particular using social media to incite violence, to say, less meat here, let's me at this time, let's target somebody. i think that social media has played some role in violence, but i do not think that is the only thing. but i think that because a lot of young people and rappers and sometimes say the wrong stuff in music, especially if you area stuff in music, especially if you are a rapper stuff in music, especially if you area rapperand stuff in music, especially if you are a rapper and you are involved in are a rapper and you are involved in a crime and you speak about it and young people hear this stuff, they then think it is cool and it is obviously not. but not all young people are involved in gangs. there are so many factors. anyone can see social media and anyone can listen to violent lyrics. yes, and i think
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that we all need to work on this issue as a team and in unity. sorry to interrupt, what does that mean? in practical terms are you saying, rappers, stop using violent lyrics, people stop going on social media and inciting violence? it is not realistic. it is notjust the rappers. it is what young people see is what they do. i know, but how do you stop that? what you have to do, 0k, it is you stop that? what you have to do, ok, it is a serious thing. i think what the government needs is young organisations who are working in places like north london, east london, south london and so forth.
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someone like me who has been involved in crime and now i have left that life behind. so i actually understand. understood, that is a fair point. what would you say to a gang member to encourage them not to carry a knife, to encourage them not to drive along the street in north london and end up shooting potentially innocent people? what i would say is put the knife down, but me saying that does not mean it will happen. a lot of youths out there do not have a job. they have no education. it is not a choice between carrying a knife and going to work. there are many people who do not have a job but they do not go out and stab someone to death. do not have a job but they do not go out and stab someone to deathlj know out and stab someone to death.” know exactly what you are saying. but it we want to deter them we need
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to give them something better to do. that is what happened in my life. when i left that lifestyle behind i then went straight into work, so a lot of my time is occupied by my work. there are a lot of youths out there now who have a lot of free time on their hands and they use that to sometimes do the wrong thing. i think a lot of local organisations like myself need resources so we can actually have an exposure to work with young people. we have got you. let me bring in sarah. thank you, kevin. iwill come back to you. hopefully you can hear us, sarah. i want to ask you, back to you. hopefully you can hear us, sarah. iwant to ask you, sarah jones, about stop and search. should there be an increase in stop and search in london? it has a role to play. you need to listen to the police. if they want to increase...
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iam police. if they want to increase... i am sorry, the line is still not good enough. i am so sorry because it is really frustrating. kevin, what about deterrence, punishments? are they enough? do people in gangs ca re are they enough? do people in gangs care about deterrence? what they think is that sending a young man into jail sometimes does not work. like it may work for the time that they are in there, but the moment they are in there, but the moment they leave, they have the same mindset. if we really want to change, we need to work with young youths in the long run also to prevent the current, but if someone has shot someone dead, they will go to jail has shot someone dead, they will go tojailand has shot someone dead, they will go to jail and quite rightly. yes, definitely, i completely agree that you do something wrong the law will deal with you. we all know this
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already, but what are we doing to stop youths entering into that lifestyle ? stop youths entering into that lifestyle? are we trying to work with youths at a young age? or is it when they are older and when all the mess has happened, we start acting? we need to work with youths in schools at a very young age and even in necessary if possible. if you really wa nt in necessary if possible. if you really want to deter them, you have to teach them from staying away from knives and guns and crime in general. if we do not teach them, singers, rappers and whoever is involved in gangs, they will teach them. but their mums and dads teach them, don't they? that is what your mum and dad do. they try anyway. what is happening especially in
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ethnic minorities, some of us do not have a dad. our dads have never actually been in the household to actually been in the household to actually show as order. and how to actually show as order. and how to actually be. but mums can do that? yes, they can do that, but there is nothing more like a man being able to actually help his child, especially a boy child. a mother is a nurturer, so it is not really the role of the mother, even though a lot of them are doing a greatjob of telling young people to stay away from crime. a lot of them are doing their utmost best to raise their child in the right way. even when i was ina child in the right way. even when i was in a gang my mum did not know what i was up to, i am at home, i am
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smiling and as i leave home i am somebody else. what was the thing that made you leave in the end? i am sure it is more complex than one answer, but what would you say? my main answer is this. i am not ashamed, i believe that my faith and my belief injesus has really changed my life. who introduced god to you? i had a friend. from that time he was actually involved in the church and i met him on the street in stratford and at this time, i am telling you, my life was a complete mess. i was suicidal, so a lot of youths now are going through things that are not seen. some of them are having thought that they should not have, especially at a young age. when i was involved in a gang i was
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a mess, iwas when i was involved in a gang i was a mess, i was having thoughts of suicide. i did not see myself as having a future. so somebody on the street introduced me to god, to jesus. so that is what truly helped me. but in that you have to always keep moving forward, always working on you and becoming better and better. so it is notjust one thing that you say, i have changed and that you say, i have changed and thatis that you say, i have changed and that is it. it is a process and you have to keep working on yourself day after day. there will also be a lot of knock backs which will try to ta ke of knock backs which will try to take me back into that life, but i will not let that happen. ok, thank you very much, kevin. thank you very much. stayed there for a moment. we have the weather now, news and sport on the way.
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todayis today is a mixture of sunshine and showers and some of the showers will be thundering. it has been snowing extensively across scotland. more to come as that front sinks south. meanwhile, the other front is heading north. quite a bit of cloud around currently, but in between the showers we will see some sunny brea ks showers we will see some sunny breaks develop, or at worst some bright spells. in the afternoon we are looking at some snow in scotland, but improving in the west. snow in the southern uplands and sleep at lower levels and possibly hill snow across northern ireland. but generally for england and wales it isa but generally for england and wales it is a mixture of bright spells, sunshine and showers. it will also bea sunshine and showers. it will also be a windy day today, but the strongest gusts across southern
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england gusting up to 45 miles an hour. through this evening and overnight our weather front continues its descent southwards, taking snow across the pennines and the lake district and the hills of wales as well. behind it there is a clea ra nce, wales as well. behind it there is a clearance, said the temperatures will tumble quite rapidly. we are looking at temperatures as possibly low as —6 or —7 in northern ireland and the glens of scotland. meanwhile, we are looking at a cloudy night with some drizzle, but asa cloudy night with some drizzle, but as a result it will not feel so cold. we lose that weather front quickly, taking away its cloud and drizzle and for many of us there is a fine day with a fair bit of sunshine. but as this next area of low pressure approaches from the west, the sunshine will turn hazier. west, the sunshine will turn hazier. we will still have wintry showers in
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the far north of scotland. but what a difference in temperatures for scotla nd a difference in temperatures for scotland and northern ireland, higher than we have seen in the last few days. in england and wales it is about 9—12. on friday there is an east— west split. the driest conditions will be in the east with a touch of frost first thing. as the low pressure comes in the cloud will build ahead of it and all this rain will come in from the west. the heaviest will be in the western powers of scotland. somewhere in the south east it could hit 16. thank you very much. hello it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. theresa may's promise to tackle what she's described as the "burning injustice" of the uk's gender pay gap. companies have until midnight tonight to publish their own stats, what will they show? what we have found, in most organisations, there is an unconscious bias when it comes to
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recruiting women, because people recruiting women, because people recruit in their own image and because men are making a lot of the decisions, they recruit a lot of men. fifty years on from the assassination of martin luther king, we look back on his legacy and the words that inspired an american civil rights movement. we've got some difficult days ahead. i've been to the mountaintop. we'll be discussing his life, and the impact he's still having on our lives today, with one of dr king's friends. and, the hidden problem of alcoholism amongst british punjabis. at the age of 22, the doctors had told me that i wouldn't see my 23rd birthday. i developed jaundice, told me that i wouldn't see my 23rd birthday. idevelopedjaundice, i started bleeding from everywhere you can think of, and even some places where you cannot think of. i was by no means a normal 22—year—old.m that sounds like you, let me know.
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we'll talk to those affected. here's ben brown in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. theresa may has promised to tackle what she's described as the "burning injustice" of the uk's gender pay gap, that's the difference between the average earnings of men and women. companies with 250 or more employees have until midnight to publish figures showing how their workforces are affected. most of the 9,000 employers have already done so and more than three quarters pay their men more on average than women. police say a woman has shot and wounded three people at youtube's headquarters in northern california before killing herself. thirty—nine—year—old nasim aghdam appears to have had a grudge against the firm but police are yet to comment on the motivation for the shooting. a 16—year—old boy who was shot on monday night in east london and died later in hospital has been named locally as amaan shakoor. he was attacked a short time
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after a 17—year—old girl was shot dead a few miles away in tottenham. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, has promised to fight what he called the "violent scourge" of gun and knife crime in the city. forty eight people have been murdered in london so far this year. an emergency meeting has been called by russia to discuss the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter in the uk. the kremlin has demanded the meeting at the world's chemical weapons watchdog in the hague to ask britain for more information on the attack. on tuesday the uk's porton down laboratory said it could not verify the precise source of the nerve agent. the duke of edinburgh will have surgery on his hip later today. he was admitted to the private king edward the seventh hospital in central london yesterday for the planned operation. prince philip, who is 96, is understood to have had hip trouble for about a month. an investigation for this programme has revealed that more than a quarter of british sikhs can
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identify someone in their family with an alcohol problem. the findings also suggest there are 60% more deaths from alcohol among the uk's punjabis than the rest of the population, despite drinking alcohol being prohibited for practising sikhs. commemorations are taking place across america to mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination of the civil rights leader, martin luther king. at the lorraine motel in memphis where he was shot, and where the national civil rights museum is now housed, a day of remembrance will combine performance and speeches to reflect on the past and the continuing struggle for equality. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10.30. opening ceremony for the commonwealth games about to get under way at the carreras stadium in
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queensland on the gold coast in australia, more than 4500 athletes from 71 nations and territories compete for 275 gold medals, don't make those pictures make you jealous, it is throwing it down with rain! -- jealous, it is throwing it down with rain! —— carrara. it is live from 10:30am, action starts around midnight tonight. cristiano ronaldo scored one of the greatest golden champions league history last night as well madrid thrashed juventus, 3-1, as well madrid thrashed juventus, 3—1, in the first leg of the quarterfinal in turin, look at this. —— real madrid. stunning bicycle kick, turning back the clock at the age of 33, 19 goals in his last nine games for real and that was one of two, marcello got the other, the holders in a great position and head of the second leg at the ban about. bayern munich came from behind to ta ke bayern munich came from behind to take control of their champions league semifinal against sevilla,
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after the spaniards took the lead, own goalfrom after the spaniards took the lead, own goal from jesus navas, former manchester city, gifted bayern munich and equaliser before thiago alca nta ra munich and equaliser before thiago alca ntara got munich and equaliser before thiago alcantara got the winner. —— bernabeu stadium. the world will be watching on tonight at anfield as liverpool take on manchester city, they will wrap up the premier league title on saturday if they beat manchester united, with liverpool the only team to have beaten them this season in the league. jurgen klopp knows they will have to be at their absolute best and has told his side to write their own history.” meet people over the day, they can tell me each goal liverpool scored 37 years ago... in the 56 minutes...! ten players who did that, and they can say the names. so that, and they can say the names. so thatis that, and they can say the names. so that is all good and i like that. but this team, we need to be proud, of the history, but we also need to create our own history. they are so
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clinical, they punish your mistakes. because they are so fast and so direct. and that is good, it is a good challenge for us. over 180 minutes we will try to give a good result to manchester. former australia cricket captain steve smith and batsman cameron bancroft have today both confirmed on social media they will not contest the ball tampering bands, smith, along with xy scouting david warner were both given one—year bans, and cameron ba ncroft given one—year bans, and cameron bancroft was handed a nine—month suspension by cricket australia after the incident, dave smith said, i meant what i said when i was talking about taking full responsibility. that is all for now. —— along with. commemorations are taking place across the united states today
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to mark 50 years since the civil rights leader martin luther king was murdered. he was shot in memphis in tennessee. a ceremony of remembrance is to be held there tonight. the day before he was killed in april 1968, dr king said this. we've got some difficult days ahead. but it really doesn't matter with me now. i've been to the mountaintop. and i don't mind. and i've seen the promised land. i may not get there with you, but i wa nt may not get there with you, but i want you to know tonight, that we as a people will get to the promised land. so i'm happy tonight, i'm not worried about any thing, i'm not fearing any man. mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord!
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he would never live to see the "promised land." the next day he was assassinated on the balcony of a memphis motel by a white supremacist who was under surveillance by the fbi. in a moment we'll speak to civil rights activists who dreamed the dream alongside dr king, but first, oprah winfrey helps us look back at dr king's legacy. dr king was the passionate voice that awakened the conscience of a nation and inspired people all over the world. the power of his words resonated because they were spoken out of an unwavering belief in freedom and justice, equality and opportunity for all. dr king believed that our destinies are all intertwined and he knew that our hopes and our dreams are really all the same. he challenged us to see
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how we all are more alike than we are different. think about that young man who, at 34 years old, stood up here and was able to force an entire country to wake up, to look at itself and to eventually change. and as we, the people, continue to honour the dream of a man and a movement, a man who in his short life saw suffering and injustice and refused to look the other way, we can be inspired and we too can be courageous by continuing to walk in the footsteps of the path that he forged. he is the one who reminded us that we will never walk alone. let us ask ourselves, how will the dream live on in me, in you, in all of us?
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let us reflect on the bravery, let us reflect on the sacrifice, of those who stood up for freedom, who stood up for us, whose shoulders we now stand on. let us remind ourselves, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. let's talk now to pauline black,
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former lead singer of ska band the selector. she met friends of dr king and his late wife coretta. what did he mean to you?” what did he mean to you? i think what he meant to me, certainly, when i was 15, 1968, what he meant to me, certainly, when iwas15, 1968, at what he meant to me, certainly, when i was 15, 1968, at the time he was assassinated, was that he was a beacon of hope, he was a light in an immense darkness that was going on as far as immense darkness that was going on as farasi immense darkness that was going on as far as i was concerned, as a young mixed—race child who had been born to a tuition mother, a nigerian father, in this country, and had been sensibly adopted by white middle—aged parents who were, as many people were at the time, essentially quite racist in their outlook. —— who had been born to a jewish mother and a nigerian father. to see someone with his level of
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command of speech, he skills of oratory, leading huge marches, selma, montgomery, on television, was very potent. —— he's skills —— his skills of oratory. you have just described the parents who adopted you were ostensibly racist, what did this do in your household? black people who were not singing, dancing, doing that kind of thing in those days, they were not particularly welcomed by my parents, or my extended family, these people we re or my extended family, these people were seen to be in the words of my mother, mouthy. they had too much to say, nobody wanted to listen to it, and we shouldn't be that interested. when i was at school, as a
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15—year—old, certainly as a 13—year—old, from the time that the assassination of president kennedy took place, it seems to me that civil rights, the civil rights movement, which was an ongoing struggle, seem to be where it was at, as far as i was concerned, black people standing up for themselves, talking for themselves and showing the world and having a worldwide platform and showing the world, this is what goes on here in the southern states. and none of this is good. i grew up looking at pictures of young children, really, being hosed down up children, really, being hosed down up againsta children, really, being hosed down up against a wall because they had the temerity to want to go to school ina the temerity to want to go to school in a white area. and the bustling programme of children being bussed across the united states to other schools, this
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was considered not good for the resident population. and also that, not being able to lunch counters because lunch counters because you lunch counters because you were lunch counters because you were black. being forced to be removed. the full weight of people being involved with the ku klux klan. if you wanted to go to university and further your education. what doctor martin luther king did was harness all that energy which could erupt at any time with riots and those kind of things, harness that energy and say we will practice and non—violent way of proceeding. at the time i have to confess i did not necessarily agree with that and i am still not sure i agree with that now. i think if you have a struggle, you have to fight for your rights. they are not given. as they say, there is no free lunch as it were. do you think that is controversial
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to say that? yes, i do. i think people prefer it when we practice a very quiet, considered way of reasoning. but a very quiet, considered way of reasoning has, if imight be considered way of reasoning has, if i might be so bold, has not got us that far. this is 50 years later and iam that far. this is 50 years later and i am still sitting here as a woman past middle age who is still wondering when that promised land and that dream is going to come.” will ask you in a moment, pauline black, what else you think needs to be achieved. i want to bring in doctor robert smith who is in mississippi, a friend of martin luther king, and to established one of the first free health care centres for black people with him. what would you say his legacy is, robert? doctor king's legacy, it is
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fourfold, and may i take the limit to present myself. i was fortunate to present myself. i was fortunate to have several interactions with doctor king as i marched with him on the meredith march and worked with the meredith march and worked with the king movement and with human rights preparing for some of the aspects of the march. it was the poor people's my. i worked with him as he got acutely ill during one of his visits. one of the things he said, one of his most famous quote, was that all forms of inequality and injustice and there is the most shocking and inhumane. through his life he and other members of the
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civil rights movement were able to bring to bear something that had not been tried in this country, to have a comprehensive health care programme for all americans, but it failed. doctor king and others, and others like civil rights leaders, they were able to bring johnson's attention to something that had never been tried and they were able to provide a more comprehensive health programme which became medicare. during this period also in 60 for a small group of us, that included the late doctor gibson and aaron henry and myself, we were able to present a proposal that brought about a new institution called community health centres. they now
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provide health care for of americans. it is incredible. i want to ask you as well, because you were there and i would like you to describe this to our british audience, about walking alongside martin luther king in many of those marches, including selma. well, martin luther king was dedicated, as you know, to changing unjust laws and he was willing to pay that ultimate price. by paying that ultimate price. by paying that ultimate prize he was able to bring about specifically health care, as i was mentioning to you. not only medicare and medicaid, but during that era also there were original medical programmes for health issues like cancer, expansion of medical schools, doubling class sizes, money
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for research, more money for minority education. so the most important thing, we talk about so many other things about martin luther king, but we do not talk about the impact he had on changing health care for all americans. thank you for doing that for us today. pauline black, finally what else is to be achieved? so much is to be achieved, particularly at the moment here we are back in europe and back in america with a right wing thinking on the rise, ostensibly based on racism and also based on sexism as well. this was something that i within the two tone movement, which was the band that i belonged to, we obviously champion. doctor martin luther king's whole ethos, i
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feel as though we kind of adapted. when he said little black boys and little black girls would walk hand in hand with little white girls and little white boys, we may still be waiting to see that happen, but i do feel that certainly through musical movement we try to do that. that was the message. we tried to show that we are better together than we are pa rt we are better together than we are part basically. actually championing the things that unite us and not the things that divide us. there are so many people at the moment within this world, within the media as well, things like breitbart, the right wing media there, and the now incumbent president of the united states, mr donald trump, and various other movements across europe, we seem to be bringing this whole thinking back an enormous amount.
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until that stopped, or people decide that enough is enough, we thought the second world war about this, we do not want this back. we will not go into the election of donald trump. many people voted for him and many people wanted him. but still not the majority. he was democratically elected by the american system. ruth says, i taught english forforeign american system. ruth says, i taught english for foreign people american system. ruth says, i taught english forforeign people in leeds. i had english forforeign people in leeds. ihada english forforeign people in leeds. i had a class which comprised of many african refugees. when i did a lesson on martin luther king as a role model all of them could have recited his speech i have a dream. i had to go out into the corridors so they could not see me cry. thank you very much for coming in, pauline black. still to come: an update on the health of the duke of edinburgh as he's in hospital for an operation on his hip today. our royal correspondent has the latest from that hospital in central london. thank you very much for your
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comments on violence which i have here. we were talking about the numbers of murders in the capital in the first few months of this year. this viewer says, we need to be careful about relying on parents to prevent gangs taking over. it is expected parents should educate their children, but in reality this is the privilege of a few. as your guest today is said, many people have no role models in their life, pa rents a re have no role models in their life, parents are injail or have no role models in their life, parents are in jail or working multiplejobs or simply not interested in raising children. as a teacher in the south—east of london i realise having parents who care and two are round and to invest in education is by no means a given. more social support is needed, as your guest said. tony says, more stop and search is being done by police officers with cameras attached to their uniforms and everything gets filmed. that needs to happen more. gangs who are responsible for a
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large number of people in london are many black people killing black people. fact. that is not racist. another one says, there are bored youths all over britain who are not going out stabbing and shooting people. they are only in london. i am sick of people making excuses for gang members. there are no excuses. stop making them because they are black or asian. john said, the murders are committed by young, naive people, not the leaders, controlled by the gang leaders. thank you for those. next — a hotel has finally pardoned a canadian man whose hotel was ransacked by a flock of seagulls nearly two decades ago. the story behind the seagull attack is quite something so take your time listening to our next guest who can tell us all. katie derosa is a journalist and she joins us from victoria in british
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columbia. can you hear me ok? hello, thank you for having me. take our audience back to that date and what happened. the gentleman, nick birchall, shared the story on his facebook and i spoke with him and confirmed it was true. i wrote the story on april fool's day, so it was almost too crazy to be true. usually when you hear stories of a trashed hotel room you might think about rock stars and i think this story is a lot more mr bean than it is mickjagger. basically he was from halifax and he was visiting victoria and he has friends in the navy and they were asked for this pepperoni, which is this smoked sausage that is a p pa re ntly this smoked sausage that is apparently famous in halifax. he
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said he brought enough for a ship and he brought a suitcase full of this package pepperoni. they sliced it up and put it in paper packages and lo and behold the suitcase was lost for a day, so by the time it arrived at the hotel, an iconic hotel in victoria. it is on postcards and is overlooking the harbour and it is quite posh and expensive. by the time it arrived at the hotel he was worried about whether or not it would be food safe, so he wanted to cool the pepperoni and lacking afraid he decided to, and again i am thinking that maybe in his 20s this would be something that he would first think about, he laid at the pepperoni on the windowsill and the adjacent table and the april cool air was supposed to act as a fridge. so he
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said he went out for a leisurely five—hour walk and he said that when he returned he opened the door and found about 40 seagulls in the room feasting on pepperoni. he said they had been there for hours, which was evidenced by the seagull poo all over the room. the room was com pletely over the room. the room was completely trashed one would imagine. yes, he said birds were flying everywhere, the lamps were being knocked over, he opened the door and he startled the seagulls and he said some of them were trying to leave the room through close windows, so they are smacking into windows and everything is upturned. he is frantically running over to the windows and tries to open them and tries to get these seagulls out of the room. he did his best
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anti—chapped clothes out and choose out and all the rest of it and eventually he was banned from the hotel. there were not impressed. he threw a shoe out and the last loan, fighting seagull was flying around the room and he grabbed a towel, trapped it with a towel and through the towel chapped segal out of the window. the shoe and the towel fell onto some tourists below so that startled them. again they would have been walking to the high tea room at the empress hotel, almost $90 per person tea, so again not something that you would expect. so that was not great promotion for the hotel. when the staff saw the room i cannot
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even imagine what they said. he said the cleaning lady was beside herself. but now, 17 years on, they have pardoned him. yes, it was quite funny. he asks for this pardon. again you think of a jail sentence and hardened criminals, that he felt like he deserved it. he said he had done his time. he had matured and he wa nted done his time. he had matured and he wanted to visit victoria and be able to once again stay at the empress hotel. so he posted a picture on his facebook of him speaking to the staff and telling them about the story and one woman is wiping her eyes crying. you can see the hilarity of it all and he is reliving this comedy of errors. i have a feeling for the last 17 years this story has been his battle story. it is probably his party
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trick. maybe it is worth a lifetime ban, i don't know. thank you very much. there must be loads of gags to go with the story and i have not thought of them yet. theresa may has promised to tackle what she's described as the "burning injustice" of the uk's gender pay gap, that's the difference between the average arnings of men and women. —— earnings of men and women. companies with 250 or more employees have until midnight to publish figures showing how their workforces are affected. most of the nine thousand employers have already done so, and more than three quarters pay their men more on average than women. (news pres) police say a woman has shot and wounded three people police say a woman has shot and wounded three people at youtube's headquarters in northern california before killing herself. 39—year—old nasim aghdam appears
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to have had a grudge against the firm but police are yet to comment on the motivation for the shooting. a 16—year—old boy who was shot on monday night in east london and died later in hospital has been named locally as amaan shakoor. he was attacked a short time after a 17—year—old girl was shot dead a few miles away in tottenham. the mayor of london, sadiq khan, has promised to fight what he called the "violent scourge" of gun and knife crime in the city. 48 people have been murdered in london so far this year. an emergency meeting has been called by russia to discuss the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter in the uk. the kremlin has demanded the meeting at the world's chemical weapons watchdog in the hague to ask britain for more information on the attack. on tuesday the uk's porton down laboratory said it could not verify the precise source of the nerve agent. ant mcpartlin and declan donnelly have received wo bafta tv nominations in the best entertainment programme category. —— ant mcpartlin and declan donnelly have received two bafta tv nominations in the best
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entertainment programme category. the nominations for their show saturday night takeaway and britain's got talent follow ant mcpartlin being charged with drink driving. the bbc crime drama line of duty received the most nominations, with four in total. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. e—mailfromjimmy on e—mail from jimmy on alcoholism among punjabis, i have been living here since 1975, i have known of abuse since that time, the community has been sweeping the issue under the carpet and the impact largely falls on married punjabi women, they do not get the support from their family that they are married into norfrom family that they are married into nor from the community, hence, family that they are married into norfrom the community, hence, many divorces due to this issue, i'm so glad you are presenting this on your programme and hopefully it will create a debate in the community to pay attention and provide support to those alcoholics and the women quietly suffering. some of those alcoholics are indeed women, we will speak to one in the next half hour. opening ceremony for the
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commonwealth games just about to get under way on the gold coast in australia, more than 4500 athletes from 71 nations and territories will compete for 275 gold medals, action sta rts compete for 275 gold medals, action starts at midnight tonight, opening ceremony is on bbc one, one of the greatest golden champions league history, cristiano ronaldo scored a scanning stirling bicycle kick for real madrid, winning 3—1, against juventus, elsewhere, bayern munich beat sevilla, 2—1. tonight, all english last eight type, liverpool taking on manchester city at anfield, jurgen klopp's i the only tea m anfield, jurgen klopp's i the only team to beat manchester city this season in the premier league. steve smith will not appeal against his 12 month ban for ball tampering, he says, i meant what i said about taking full responsibility. batsman cameron bancroft has also accepted his ban. the duke of edinburgh will have surgery on his hip today. he was admitted to the private king edward vii hospital in central london yesterday
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for a planned operation. prince philip, who's 96, is understood to have had hip trouble for about a month. our royal correspondent, daniella relph is outside the king edward vii hospital in central london. the duke, as you said, was admitted yesterday afternoon, buckingham palace choosing words carefully, in the statement they released, this was a planned admission to hospital, planned admission, they do not want to create any sense of drama or panicked over the fact the duke of edinburgh is in hospital. they have not told us exactly what time the operation is, you would expect it is the morning, unlike senior has had to wait in any way for the operation to wait in any way for the operation to happen. some kind of hip surgery, no details as to what kind of surgery it is but he is 96 years old, clearly having any kind of surgery at that age brings with it some kind of risk. he is extremely
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fit and active, we know he has had a problem with his hip, increasing pain and discomfort over the last month, he has been carried on with his hobby of carriage driving, but it had clearly got to the point where it was felt surgery was necessary , where it was felt surgery was necessary, he was not at the queens side during the easter services over the weekend, that was a sign that this was a problem becoming more difficult for him to deal with. he is having the surgery here, at the king edward seven hospital, private hospital, very used to having royal patients, and the hope is that he will be back to full fitness in time for the wedding of his grandson prince harry to meghan markle next month. —— king edward vii's hospital. breaking news, 78-year-old is being held by police after a man was stabbed during a suspected burglary in london, police called in the early hours of this morning,
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78—year—old resident had found two men in his home, one suspect went u psta i rs men in his home, one suspect went upstairs while the homeowner was forced into the kitchen by the second, armed with a screwdriver, a struggle ensued in the kitchen, during which one of the men found inside the house sustained a stab wound to the upper body. that man died ina wound to the upper body. that man died in a central london hospital. next of kin have been informed. the householder suffered bruising to his arms, his injuries are not life—threatening. 78—year—old man is arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm and questioned at a south london police station. alcoholism is a hidden problem in britain's punjabi community. why? because strictly speaking if you're sikh you're not meant to drink, which means it's not something that's talked about openly and when it is, it can lead to people being shunned. but with 60% more deaths from alcohol amongst uk punjabis
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than the rest of the population it is an issue which can't be ignored. a survey for this programme suggested that 27% of british sikhs report having someone in their family with an alcohol problem. we'll hear shortly from those affected by alcoholism, and others trying to make a change. but first, here's bhupinder‘s story. i have the memory of when i'm around three or maybe four years old. i would play the drums in front of my dad's friends and as a reward for me playing, somebody would dip their finger into a glass and just touch it on my lips and if i was lucky enough, some of that would actually go into my mouth. so that was the beginning of my affair with alcohol. bhupinder kullar, known in the music industry as tubsy, nearly lost his life to alcohol. born in birmingham, he is part of the uk's indian punjabi community, those originally from the punjab region of the subcontinent. even at a young age,
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tubsy was encouraged to drink. at seven years of age i went to india and to fit in, more than anything else... my uncle was a big drinker. to fit in, he poured a drink i said, "yeah, i'll have some of that," and i downed it in one and they were like, "wow! he's a seven—year—old kid, he's born in england, and these british kids have really got something here!" i was the centre of attention and i loved it, i loved all of that. over time, his drinking progressed to dangerous levels. but while having a few good drinks is celebrated by many members of the punjabi sikh community, problem drinking often results in being ostracised. tubsy remembers how his father tried to keep his problem quiet. he had to hide my problem from family, from society, from neighbours, from everyone. he had to hide it from my siblings. he had to pretend that everything was fine. at the age of 22, the doctors had told me that i wouldn't see my 23rd birthday. i developed jaundice. i started bleeding from everywhere
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you can think of, and even everywhere you can't think of. i was by no means a normal 22—year—old. for tubsy, it all came to a head two days before he was getting married in india. bitten by a poisonous snake and having suffered serious alcohol damage already, his liver collapsed and he later entered a coma. tubsy survived but he was given a stark warning. the surgeon that had actually saved me at that time, he said, "i've got a message for you. if you ever want to commit suicide, don't bother picking up a gun, a knife or a rope. just pick up a drink and that will do it." change can take time but even for those living in the grip of alcohol is right now, tubsy is living proof that it is possible to get free and live a happy life once more. by the grace of god, i've got three beautiful children. still with the same wife.
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my music career is ten, 15, 20 times as busy now as i ever was before. but most of all, every day i remember what it was like because if i forget what it was like i mayjust slip up again tomorrow. let's speak now to a woman we're calling harpeet, who hid her drinking problem from all but her closest family, sanjay bhandari, a member of the sikh—hindu community who drank every single day for seven years, jennifer shergill, an alcohol practitioner with the shanti project in birmingham that supports people from the punjabi—sikh community, and jaz rai, who has established alcohol support groups within sikh temples. welcome, all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. when did you start drinking regularly?”
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started drinking, like sparing to do with drink when i was 16, from then i started drinking regularly, every day, up until a couple of years ago. and i'm 39 now. what kind of things we re and i'm 39 now. what kind of things were you drinking each day?” and i'm 39 now. what kind of things were you drinking each day? i was drinking spirits, and... like what? bacardi, vodka, as my drinking progressed, and got out of control, i try to substitute it, lessen the volume, so went on to things like wine and cider, but it didn't really hit the spot, the same effect, so i would mix the cider with the vodka daily. you did that every day? yes. what time of the day would you have your first what time of the day would you have yourfirst drink? what time of the day would you have your first drink? in my early days it was... i'd class myself as a normal drinker, evenings, weekends. towards the end of my drinking, i
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could start at 6:30am. just to stop my shakes, the dry retching, that could go on all day until eight, 9pm, until i passed out. could go on all day until eight, 9pm, untili passed out. for a period of that time, were you functioning as... you had a job, you we re functioning as... you had a job, you were a mother, were you able to do those things? until it got really bad, yeah, i was quite good at doing that, quite good at hiding that, i called myself a functioning alcoholic, held down a job, drove a car, brought up two children, maintained a household, cleaning, cooking, whatever needed to be done. when it really took off in the last year or so, that was going down very fast for me. that is when i needed the help. i hit rock bottom, i had to do something about it otherwise i was going to die. i started off at 12 and a half stone, i went down to
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under seven stone, when i went into rehab, where they told me i was critical. to me, that meant, i only had weeks to live. you lost all that weight because you couldn't take in any food ? all you weight because you couldn't take in any food? all you cared about was getting alcohol? what? yeah, i couldn't take in the food, and also, ifi couldn't take in the food, and also, if i ate, that would fill me up enough where then i wouldn't be able to drink and i needed the drink. my body needed it. and where there are times when you drove your card wrong? yes. not a great thing to be proud of, i am not. -- were there times when you drove your car drunk? alcohol led me to a lot of insane behaviour, yes, i drove my car while intoxicated. why didn't you speak out and get help earlier? because i
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think in the beginning i thought i was a normal drinker, whatever you would class that as, and i think coming from an asian background as a woman, it is a lot of tabuk, shame, guilt around it. everyone in the community knows, they see you at parties. they know what you are doing. —— a lot of taboo. they are to ashamed to approach you, or they love the gossip behind your back. so the last year, six months, my family sat me down, they knew that i had a problem, i became an isolated drinker, they would talk to me on an one—to—one basis, why have the wine, why have the cider... we went through these talks, they could see my health deteriorating. my partner got me into a rehab. it was the best thing i could have done. my gp was absolutely wonderful. cannot fall her one bit. within six months i was
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in rehab and it was amazing. best thing i could have done. —— cannot fault her and i had so much support from my family. i drank for 18 years, it evolved, when i was drinking at the end, everyday the la st drinking at the end, everyday the last seven years, i actually did the count, idid last seven years, i actually did the count, i did when you're sober, and just to see how much money i had been spending, it was probably about 150, 200 units every been spending, it was probably about 150,200 units every week, 75 to 100 powerpoint is —— 75 to 100 points, beer, whiskey, wasn't fussy, it was only when i got honest with myself after a year that i really thought, that was an enormous amount... if people had asked me the question when i was first sober, i would underestimate, only towards the end
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of my first year of sobriety that i started to get really honest, what was it really like ? started to get really honest, what was it really like? how had it got so bad? i don't know. it was not my childhood ambition to be an alcoholic. it was slow and imperceptible over 18 years. i had my first drink to blackout after my father died when i was 15. and then just the intervals between the blackout drinking got shorter and shorter. before i knew it, there was a really good reason to drink every day and in the last six or seven years it would be on monday because it is monday night and it is a depressing day. tuesday there is foot ball depressing day. tuesday there is football on tv. thursday is the new friday, so let's go out. friday is the old friday. saturday is the foot ball the old friday. saturday is the football so i will start at 930 in the morning and finish at 11:30pm at night. sunday... sol
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the morning and finish at 11:30pm at night. sunday... so i had it everyday, so what will be different about this day? it just crept up everyday, so what will be different about this day? itjust crept up on me and at the end it seemed completely logical to drink every single day. what do you think of that, jennifer? it is something we have come across in my practice —based research that we have conducted as part of our project and also something we are coming across with some clients we are seeing. there are many barriers that the punjabi community faces. they are quite reticent to access public services. the barriers include things like language barriers. majority of first generation punjabis might not have english as a first language. even those who do are not seeking help. yes. why is that? shame? yes, it is to do with shame. it is a private, close—knit community and they are fearful of information being leaked into the
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community. there are fears about confidentiality. ido spiers justified? i never thought of getting help from my punjabi community. it felt like i would be bringing shame on my family. there isa bringing shame on my family. there is a masculine identity in the punjabi community and it is so immersed with alcohol and your capacity for alcohol and i was a hero because i could drink. i suddenly went from hero to zero in my mind and the last people i wanted to speak to whether punjabi community. you have set out these alcohol support groups within temples. you are going for it exhibition mark there is no beating around the bush. why is it important to do it in around the bush. why is it important to do itina around the bush. why is it important to do it in a temple? it is what jennifer said. the language is a barrier, the shame, feeling ostracised in your community, and to
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bring it into the temple and to talk openly about it, i have done talks in temples, and that gives the congregation, the families, the addict, hope that someone is talking about this openly. there is no shame around it. it is working really well. in derby where we started this it has moved on to southall in london where there is a very large seeker community. you are saying people feel able to come to the temple and talk to somebody about their problems? yes. ifi am up there in the temple in derby, some people who are desperate for help will speak to the committee members or talk to the elders or the priest and say, we have a family member who is struggling, when can you meet us? by is struggling, when can you meet us? by being visible you are bringing it into the open? that is right, yes. jennifer, why do british punjabis not get nhs help? what are the
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barriers? it is feared that information will be released into the community, particularly if they have a friend of the family who works as part of the nhs will stop they are worried about that information being leaked. how are you now? good. how long have you been clean? it is very early on in my recovery at the moment but i am doing well. what do you think of when you think about your future? yes, bright, happy, lots to do, lots to catch up on i think. even when i was in the process of giving up alcohol i never imagined how people would have a good time without drinking. how boring i say? but since being sober it has been amazing. i have got such a clear head and lots to look forward to.
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how do you feel about your future? fantastic, i have been sober for 16 years. i fantastic, i have been sober for 16 years. lam fantastic, i have been sober for 16 years. i am envious of her because she has got it all to look forward to. that is a wonderful way to look at it. thank you all very much for coming on the programme. we appreciated. a 78 year old pensioner has been arrested after a man was stabbed to death during a break—in at a house in south east london. our reporerjessica parker has more on this. what can you tell us? it is a developing story. a home owner has been arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm after a suspected burglary overnight. the police were called on wednesday the 4th of april around a quarter to one in the morning to reports of a burglary in process in south—east
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london. the 78—year—old resident found two men inside his address. one suspect went upstairs while the home owner was forced into the kitchen, the police say, by the second suspect armed with a screwdriver. a struggle issued in the kitchen during which one of the males found inside the property sustained stab wound to the upper body and the ambulance service was called. they took the injured mail toa called. they took the injured mail to a central london hospital where he died in the early hours of this morning. where is the pensioner now? the 78—year—old man was arrested on suspicion of grievous bodily harm has been taken to a south london police station and remained there at this time. early stages of the investigation at the moment. the next of kin of the man who has died has been informed and we are waiting forformal has been informed and we are waiting for formal identification. has been informed and we are waiting forformal identification. a police identification will be scheduled in due course. more on that in bbc
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