tv Newsnight BBC News April 5, 2018 11:15pm-12:01am BST
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which is very retain gypsy status, which is very important, travellers had to retain a nomadic lifestyle, they had to prove they were moving for work and go from place to place. now, at the time we protested this because we said there is nowhere illegalfor them to go. my message to the government, please provide more sites for the community because they are part of the community and the right to a nomadic lifestyle is in trying in statute. councils across lincolnshire and east yorkshire have pledged to create more permanent and transit pitches for gypsies and travellers but in many areas those pledges haven't been met. we have got a travellers site in boston that has some space on it, so there is some space on has some space on it, so there is some space on our has some space on it, so there is some space on our boston site. i don't know if we do need more because some of these travellers that doucet up camp have also got alternative accommodation as well ——
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doucet up. the government describes the vast majority of the travelling community as decent law—abiding people but says it wants to hear from councils, police and landowners to decide if tougher powers are needed to tackle illegal sites. tim iredale, bbc look north. that's a summary of the news. now it's time for newsnight with kirsty. the first communication with the outside world by yulia skripal. she's well and asked for privacy. tonight, as russia puts on another performance at the un, we speak to yulia's cousin, who claimed this morning that she spoke to her. hello, viktoria... we ask her if she's scared she's being used in an information war? two more stabbings in london today, more than 30 dead from knife wounds alone in the capital this year as the met police say social media is fuelling knife crime. we explore some of the approaches other cities have taken. the authorities are scrambling for an effective policy response. it's not clear, however, that what has worked in other british cities to reduce knife crime is going to work in london.
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also tonight, on the eve of the introduction of the sugar tax, we talk to the man who brought it in. it's certainly one of the things i'm proudest of because i think it was one of the most politically risky, or certainly it felt like it at the time. and we return to accrington where the team from the maundy relief charity are beginning to question their role. we have to ask ourselves, are we just propping up the system which is falling apart? good evening. 32 days after yulia skripal and herfather sergei were poisoned, today she communicated with the outside world. uk police issued a statement on her behalf in which she says that she woke up over a week ago
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and that her strength is growing daily. she said she had many people to thank for her recovery, including the people of salisbury who came to the skripals' aid. she also asks for privacy, saying that the entire episode has been disorientating. the statement came, perhaps not coincidentally, very shortly after russian tv aired a recording of a telephone conversation purportedly involving yulia, a call they said they were unable to confirm the authenticity of. the person she appeared to be speaking to was her cousin, vicktoria. in the call, the person said to be yulia says, when asked about her father, that "everyone's health is fine". however, the british authorities have said that they would only issue a new bulletin on sergei skripal‘s health if anything changed, and the last one said he was "critical but stable". so what is going on? i'm joined by gabriel gatehouse. first of all, let's talk about that phone call. what do you make of it? viktoria sent this recording
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to various journalists this morning, and this was the moment where russian state tv interrupted its broadcast to airthe tape. we can't verify that the woman on the other end really is yulia skripal, even though her cousin seems to believe that it is. secondly, we don't know whether yulia skripal, if indeed it is her, was aware the recording was being made so, to protect her privacy, we're just going to highlight a few quotes from the conversation. first, you hear two women greet each other, and viktoria seems surprised to hear from yulia. she says she is relieved she's feeling better. then she says, i'll fly over on monday, and then yulia says, they are not going to give you a visa. viktoria says, if they do give me one, i need you to tell me whether i can visit you. and yulia says, i think not. we'll sort it out later.
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listening to the recording, it's interesting to hear her tone of voice. yulia skripal is terse, she is tense, she is brief with her cousin, she doesn't seem to want her to visit. a bit later, viktoria asked about the health of sergei skripal. she says, is everything ok with your father? yulia says, everything is ok, he is resting now, he is asleep, his health is fine, nothing is irreparable. i will be discharged soon, everything is ok. it appears to contradict the hospital's assessment of sergei skripal‘s health. and that was on the 29th of march. yes, it appears to be a contradiction. you got through to viktoria before we came on air. yes, i got through to the cousin on the phone in russia, and i asked her how
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the phone call came about. what do you make of it? it's interesting to hear the cousin, viktoria, say that she feels she is in the middle of an information war was she talks about leading questions, which i hope wasn't a reference to mine, but the thing is, is it authentic? we don't know, but clearly viktoria thinks it is. interesting police put out their statement from ms skripal a few hours before the tape was aired. they didn't deny the tape wasn't genuine, they didn't make any mention of the tape at all. whatever its authenticity, the fact that it was aired quickly on russian tv suggests it could be part of a wider information campaign. viktoria skripal was doing the rounds of the russian tv channels yesterday before the phone call came out. she told one channel she wanted to come to the uk and bring yulia skripal back to russia. today, the foreign office said it had communicated russia's consular assistance offer to yulia skripal,
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and she had declined it. it isn't clear whether she wants to go back to russia, but it is clear that yulia skripal is becoming not only a political and diplomatic football, but also that potentially the russians see her as a living piece of evidence. she has pushed the opcw into a joint investigation. if moscow could get yulia skripal back to russia, potentially they could carry out some kind of scientific analysis that could allow them at least claimed they had some insights of their own into what poisoned her and where that poison came from. joining me now mark lyall—grant, national security advisor until last year, the most senior role of its kind in the uk civil service and a former uk ambassador to the un. first of all, let's start by talking about the interview that has just been conducted by gabriel gatehouse. what do you make of it, especially when viktoria says the claims that she isn't
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worried about being used? first, we don't know about the voracity of the supposed phone call between yulia and her cousin, viktoria. we know from the past that russia isn't above fabricating evidence. we saw that clearly at the shooting down of a malaysian airline, when they produced satellite imagery that was shown on russian tv which experts later demonstrated was fake. they are not above that. on the other hand, i'm not saying this phone call was necessarily fake but, if it was genuine, it clearly is part of an information war, or why would the russians listening into it and publish so quickly? well, by gabriel's account, she had taken the tape to various journalists, but i want to look at the timing, because it looks as if this tape airs on russian state television, there hasn't been anything from salisbury for a week and we know she has been much better, and then suddenly,
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after that airing of that tape, the uk police release an account from yulia skripal of her own condition and her thanks for the people of salisbury. it sounds like that is in response to the earlier tape. i think it probably was. although, as you say, information had come out a few days earlier that she was out of bed and recovering and able to communicate. if we look at the bigger picture, none of what has happened today fundamentally changes the facts. i think we could put together this phone call being released by the russians, the un security council meeting that took place tonight, the opcw meeting yesterday, which was also called by the russians.
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to that, that is a clear signal that the russians are rather rattled by the strength of the international community response. i think they have been surprised that not only the uk but 28 other countries have come together, stood by the uk's story and expelled more than 150 russian diplomats worldwide. the russians wouldn't have expected that. interesting, they go to the un, and a lot of fury, why haven't they tested guinea pigs and all of this business, and what is that mr do, this creation of even more sound, even more questions? their behaviour at the un was classic strange behaviour. what was it meant to achieve? it was meant to muddy the waters, to distort and distract, to put out alternative possibilities, to put the uk on the defensive, to suggest there are holes in the evidence the uk is putting out. it's a classic russian pattern, when put into a corner, they lash out and try to muddy the waters. they would have hoped to get some
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of the other members of the security council saying, look, we don't quite know what the truth is, maybe the uk should talk to the russians and cooperate. is britain more dangerous now? it's been dangerous for some time. this assassination attempt, dangerous though it is, is part of a pattern of russian activity over the last few years. we have seen russia undermining some of its... you have no doubt? no doubt at all. they have done cyber attacks, many of which have been traced back to entities associated with the russian state. alexander litvinenko and 11 years ago, and a similar successful assassination against a dissident. everyday, more information warfare comes out about russia trying to sow divisions, undermine respect for democracy, credibility in elections
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in the us and europe, so there is a wider pattern of activity that i think can be explained by putin's desperate attempts to make russia great again to coin a phrase, and he can only do that by weakening, in his own mind, his enemies, weakening the united states, nato, the eu, the uk. that is how he thinks he can make russia great again. stabbing now appears to be commonplace in london. tonight in tower hamlets in the east of the capital two is—year—olds were knifed and are in hospital. last night, 18—year—old israel ogunsola was attacked in hackney, also in east london. he died at the scene. there have been 35 fatal stabbings in the capital this year, of more than 50 murders, and today metropolitan police commissioner cressida dick set up a task force of 100 officers to tackle violent crime. cressida dick claims that social media sites rev people up and make street violence more likely, others have been more sceptical. so what is the case?
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our technology editor david grossman has been to hackney to explore what role social media plays. police tape and flowers. the grimly familiar ritual of another death on our streets. so, israel ogunsola becomes the 35th person to die in london this year as a result of knife crime. the authorities are scrambling for an effective policy response. it is not clear, however, that what has worked in other british cities to reduce knife crime is going to work in london. we don't yet know anything about the circumstances around this young man's death. but speaking before this latest tragedy, the met commissioner, cressida dick, said that in london, social media was turning petty squabbles into bloody battles, sometimes in a matter of minutes. one of hackney‘s mps is sceptical of this explanation. social media is a symptom, it's not a cause.
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one will go into the other area and say, we are in your area and there is nothing you can do about it. they see that as an embarrassment and they should go to their area. then they see the guy who was in the video, he gets beat up and then that video goes viral and everything spreads like wildfire. they think it is embarrassing he has been beaten up because he is a so—called gangster. they want to retaliate and things are spiralling out of control. it's about profile, some of it? yeah, some of it. i wouldn't attribute all of it profile, but it's definitely something that's adding to the fuel, whereas before, when people had punch—ups, no one would know about it. it would just be a low—key thing. i mean, well, i'm from peckham and i could have come to hackney and nobody would have known who i was. over the last few days,
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many have pointed to glasgow as a city that london should emulate. glasgow has managed to drastically reduce violent crime by treating it as a public health issue. but, according to one academic who studied the approach, the parallels are limited. i guess one of the key differences between london and glasgow is the racial dimension, so the knife crime and violence problem in scotland has historically been one of poor young men, and there hasn't been a racial dimension to it. of course, we've seen within many of the problems in london, notjust at the moment but looking back to the london riots, that racial tensions within the community were part of the problem for that. so, in addition to a multi—agency response, there needs to be ways of trying to identify, bringing the police and communities together and ensuring that the response to violence isn't
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seen as a punitive response to racial problems. it's a warning to say that london... bobby kasanga agrees that, in hackney, mistrust of the police is common and widespread among the young boys and men he works with. if social media and technology are the problem, i asked, what is the solution? if you know more police around, you'll think twice about carrying a knife. you'll go, i'm not going there with a knife because the police are there, so more visibility. and i'd also say, keep them busy. as you can see behind me, there is kids playing football during the holidays. we normally train our kids twice, three times a week but, for the other four days a week, we don't do what they are up to, what influences they are getting. if there was government money to say, there is football monday, tuesday, wednesday, thursday, friday, saturday, sunday, these kids would turn up because there's something for them to do. the more you keep them doing positive activities, the less they are going out there and carrying knives. i'm joined now from glasgow
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by dr christine goodall, founder of medics against violence. why did you get involved? we saw more young people getting involved in violence and we wanted to do something about it. what was happening, what way you seen? we've seen people who had been slashed, stabbed, hit with implements, all sorts of different things, injuries to the head and neck. you've seen these same injuries coming back, the same people? what was happening, what way you seen? we've seen people who had been slashed, stabbed, hit with implements, all sorts of different things, injuries to the head and neck. you've seen these same injuries coming back, the same people? i have done, i have seen the same people coming back a few weeks later with exactly the same injuries. this programme was designed particularly to go into schools and tell a particular story with a lesser plan and a film, so what were the triggers?
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we heard diane abbot saying it is socioeconomics problems, but what do you think was the situation in glasgow where knife crime for many years was rife? as you have heard already, here it was a problem of young men from socially deprived areas from glasgow, largely. with the school programme commonly tried to target those areas, the schools and those areas to try and reach as many of those young people as we got. what we found was impactful with them was not to show them lots of gory pictures but to tell the stories of people who have been affected by violence. they like to hear their stories, they can identify with them and they took a lot away from that. also, it is a multi—agency approach, a public health approach. explain how a public health approach will be different than a task
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force of 100 officers in london? it involves more than just policing. policing is of course important, it is important to get the right police response, but the public health approach looks at what the problem is so it has intelligence around that and looks at risk and protective factors, and looks at interventions that might be effective based on those risk and affective factors. if those are successful when you try them out, you scale them up and try and reach as many people as possible. the cressida dick said last week she thought social media revs up vulnerable people essentially, do you get any sense of that in glasgow. is that an element that went on? i don't think it helps, it doesn't cause violence, it isn't the root cause of violence, but it probably doesn't help the situation when things are starting to escalate. what it said in some cities,
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this is an event that gangs will use knives and then they move onto something else. you can see it changing, not quite generationally, but within a few years, there will be a different modus operandi. i don't think we are seeing that happening in glasgow, we are seeing a consistent drop in violence across the city and that has continued. the reassuring thing we're seeing is the drop has been greatest among the youngest people. so the average age of a victim of knife crime is older than it was, maybe, ten years ago. you are removing knives from 13, 1a, is—year—olds, that is not in their gameplan at all now? no, and we know from talking to young people in schools, it is not something they support. they still may be supportive of reactive violence, reacting if somebody insults your mother, they would react to that
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but they are not supportive of carrying knives or gang—related violence, and that is not the way they want to their lives. they want to live their lives. thank you so much forjoining us. for the last four years, newsnight have been following the progress of small charity in accrington that provides hot lunches for people in need, food parcels, welfare advice, counselling and outreach. many of those who use its services are in desperate need. filmmaker nick blakemore has been back to the town to catch up with the team at maundy relief. sirens i had an epileptic fit. when i've gone down with an epileptic fit, somebody pretended to help me and robbed me. they took your money? yeah. so i had to report it to nelson police and they've told me to try and get help by food parcel. yeah, i'lljust write your details. i've got five little ‘uns.
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i've got two boys, three girls. and if it weren't for this place helping me, i'd have got no help from nowhere. right, this is going to take a short while, just sit there and enjoy your brew. here at maundy relief, we run a drop—in centre where people can get lunch. we also have some structured services, outreach, counselling, welfare and advise. what we've noticed, particularly over the last year, is that there's been a rollback of what's available from statutory services. people like us and other small charities are picking up a lot of these pieces, but sometimes we have to ask ourselves, are we just propping up the system which is falling apart? how are you feeling now, claire? i'm not as worried now that i've got food and that for the little ‘uns. it's just that i didn't know where to go. my uncle brought me over and it's the first time i've been able to get here to get help, otherwise i'd have had no want to help me at all. where are we going to?
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we're going to a lady who hasn't been able to keep any of her appointments, due to ill health and addiction. so now we're a bit concerned as to whether she's all right or not, because she really was quite frail last time we saw her. she states she's not drinking, but i kind of get the sense that she is. and i think the eviction were to go ahead on monday. ok, this is a really bad road. the bestjob is to go round the back. i know, i didn't want to do that, i were hoping she'd be up. is she in? yeah. diane? where are you ? i'm here. i've not long been home from hospital.
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what's going on? i thought you were bloody dead. no, not dead. you look dreadful. i feel dreadful. hi, diane, i'm kirsty. she's a social work student. when is the eviction to take place? this week. so they put it off a week, have they? yeah. because was in hospital. right, diane, we've got you a house to look at. right. but you've missed two viewings. 0h. i just want to go to sleep at the minute. have you got some food for today? is there anything you've got in? i could do with some bread though, teresa. some bread? yeah, please. all right, take care, diane. see you, diane. see you tomorrow. she's got stuff in here, she's got some food. she's all right for today? yeah. do you want me to drop some off?
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yeah, if you don't mind? she says she's been in hospital for a few days, so the chances are she's maybe been detoxed a little bit and this is where it falls through. has anybody been out to her? has anybody been to check on her? i don't think so, i think we're probably the only ones. i was frightened. i've rang her maybe eight or nine times a day for the past three days, with no luck. and i'd just had... i don't think it's... i think it's a human concern, isn't it, for another human being. you say you can't get into the mental health services, does he think that would help? if you suggested to him that he came down, do you think he would? hello? is it chris? hiya, how are you doing? why don't you just bob down and see us, chris? you don't have to come
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when it's busy at lunchtime. we're dealing with people who are a lot more unwell. we are asked now to go and see people who are seriously mentally ill and suffering from psychosis or very severe depression, suicidal thoughts and we are going into these peoples' homes. my mum brought me here when i were a kid. i were about five or six and i've been coming ever since. but a lot of the staff have changed, but they do a lot of good round here for people, like homeless people, people who need something to eat. i come for the company and something to eat and to talk to lucy or teresa. they help out with food parcels and everything. they do an amazing job, don't you? they do an amazing job, help different people. yeah, yeah.
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i don't have a good family, i don't have a lot of family, but i come here and this is like my family. we see people on a daily basis who are addicted to heroin, using crack, using cocaine, using spice and using and misusing prescription drugs. some people, i believe, need to be taken out of the situation and put into residential rehab to be given any sort of chance to recover. that's getting more and more difficult now, to get those places. i don't know what to do. that particular doctor's got my sick note and i can't get it, used to be able to get it for me. can you ask her please? i'm in no fit state, i'm not well enough to do that. what's been going on? for me, homeless at the moment. i was asked to leave rehab just after christmas. where do you stay at night?
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itjust depends, smack head's house, to smack head's house really. junkie to junkie. you know, they'll want something for you staying there though. just addicts, to addicts‘ houses but i've still got lots of friends that won't take drugs, you know what i mean, that still care about me and that, so i can stay at theirs every now and then. can i ask what your addictions are? yeah, i'm addicted to heroin and crack cocaine and speed balling. just been a never—ending circle of drugs, crime, drugs, crime, time, drugs, crime, time. itjust carries on and on. you never know do you, you never know what we're going to find. there's always a risk involved, even if the person's low risk, there's still that risk. i rung about ten times each day, so i weren't sure whether they'd actually come in and evicted you or whether there was something
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more sinister, like you'd hurt yourself. i have thought about hurting myself before, i have taken a couple of overdoses. but that wasn't the case this time. no, no. but i guess you look so frail. yeah. so, how do you feel now? very much alone. and you are alone, aren't you because pretty much everything that was part of your world, job, son, home... all gone. and all down to me and my alcoholism. me and my drinking. once you go on that slippery slope, you just can't, well i feel that i can't control it, itjust seems to take me over and all the focus
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is on getting another drink. which makes everything else so much worse. although logically, i know that, it doesn't help. i just want that magic wand, but there isn't one. i've known diane for quite a few years. i knew her when she was strong and she had herjob, she had a career and now to see her like this, it's heartbreaking. we used to be able to enhance people's lives to do extra things which they couldn't get from other sources, now it feels like we are doing some of the basic functions that are of the state. we don't see an alternative because we know how desperate some lives can be. nick blakemore with the team at
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maundy relief in accrington. in 55 minutes, the government will put the brakes on our sugar rush. the sugar tax comes in at midnight, but already the revenue originally forecast to pour into treasury coffers — £500 million — has been downgraded by the government to £21i0 million. it affects soft drinks with more than five grams of added sugar per 100 milliltres, but many of the big drinks companies have been getting ahead of the game, reformulating their product to below the taxable limit. there's criticism that the tax is regressive — assuming the cost of sugar—laden drinks is passed to the customer, the poorest will be hit hardest. it's also claimed the government would have to go a lot further to have an impact on obesity, curbing sugar in yoghurts and yogurt drinks, cakes and puddings, not to mention staples
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such as bread. on the eve of the introduction of the tax, i spoke about it to its architect, former chancellor george osborne. when we introduced the sugar tax, the whole idea was to get the industry to take sugar out of sugary drinks, and what the independent assessors have done, the obr have done, is they've looked at the sugar tax, and they actually say the manufacturers are getting sugar out of the drinks quicker than they expected. it was their original estimate, not mine. and that's great news. that means that tax is doing its job, which is to get sugar out of diets and protect our kids. so it really was about reformulation? it wasn't about the tax? absolutely, i promise you, not about trying to get some money in, because the sums of money — although, of course, they all sound big... they did, 500 million. but that was out of a government budget of around £800 billion, so you would not do something as potentially controversial as a sugar tax to raise such a relatively small sum of money. if you look at mexico, which has a sugar tax, it hasn't reduced obesity. which has a sugar tax, in fact, obesity has mildly risen.
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which has a sugar tax, well, there are lots of reasons why obesity is rising in our society, but a good thing to start doing is removing some of the causes of it, and there's been a recent medical study at oxford university which suggests that the sugar tax will reduce by many thousands both the number of people who are obese but also, for example, the number of people who get type two diabetes. but you are very much, not quite a libertarian, but you would suggest, surely, that what you want to do is give people free choice and limited taxes. what you are now doing is reducing choice, in a way, and imposing taxes. well, i'm actually not a libertarian. i think there is a role for government in public health issues. i support simple things like wearing a seat belt in the car and making it an offence not to wear a seat belt. i supported the smoking ban when i was an mp. it was a free vote and lots of conservatives didn't at the time. so i think there are moments when government should
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intervene, and tax — if you are a conservative, you always use the argument, well, if you have lower taxes, you will encourage certain things, like more business or less jobs or whatever. —— morejobs. but it works the other way, of course. if you think tax discourages things, you want to lower it on the things that are good, you can raise tax on the things that are bad. what do you think about people who say this is going to hit poor people most, because they are the ones who drink the sugary drinks? the truth is, in our society, lower income people often have some of the biggest public health problems, and obesity disproportionately affects lower income people, and they are the people therefore who, in health terms, are likely to most benefit from the cola manufacturers and sugary drink manufacturers reducing the sugar. and, by the way, they don't have to drink less of a drink. they can just make sure the manufacturers have
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less sugar in the drink, and i think that's what the manufacturers are doing. so would you put money on our obesity rates having dropped by this time next year? i think there lots of things that impact the obesity rates — which are climbing in britain, as in other countries — but i certainly think they would have been higher but for the sugar tax. i suspect the sugar tax will start to be extended to things like milk products, which i was nervous going into in the first instance, because i wanted to establish the case for a sugar tax — but, if i'd remained as chancellor, i would have moved into things like sugary milkshakes. you just said, if you'd been chancellor, you'd have extended this, but that hasn't happened. do you think the government has been too timid, given that you started this in 2016? i'm saying, if i had been chancellor, i was already before i left office looking at whether you could extend it to sugar added to milk products, like sugary milkshakes. if you were already looking into that, what's happened to it? i'm not sure, that's the short answer.
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i think it will be for others to take further steps forward, and i'd predict those steps will be taken. quickly? i don't know, is the short answer. you'll have to get the current chancellor, not the former one. oh, yeah, but do you ever advise the current chancellor? no, he does his own thing. do you think, in your time as chancellor, it was one of the most important things you did? it's certainly one of the things i'm proudest of, because i think it was one of the most politically risky, or it certainly felt like it at the time, and it was entirely discretionary. i didn't have to do it at all. to be fair, the one person who kept saying to go for it was david cameron. that's almost it, but before we go, in the last hour it has been announced that the five time world darts champion eric bristow has died. he was 60. hello once again. what a glorious day. we almost had done with it and to some of you, we can match it with
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another one tomorrow, he said, some loading in his boys. it was a glorious day all the way down to the southern tip of devon and down to the irish sea. there is a cruel bit. it's going to be another glorious day, using the picture as a backdrop. foremost, it says, and northern ireland, you're not going to be in, centre because we have already got the first signs of a weather front pushing in from the atla ntic weather front pushing in from the atlantic and there is all the rain that will push into the western side of scotland. on the eastern side of both scotland and england. you are that bit further away from the frontal system. the low pressure and the front of some good news. some relatively mar out from the western mediterranean, iberia and france and pushit
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mediterranean, iberia and france and push it up across the greater part of the british isles. it may not seem of the british isles. it may not seem that way but northern ireland, the western side of scotland but generally speaking, if you be in the eastern side of wales, the midlands, the south—east of england, you are infora drierand the south—east of england, you are in for a drier and decent sort of day and somebody is going to get that temperatures close by 16 or 17 degrees. from friday into saturday, pushing the bulk of the rain to the north but there is something of a wea k north but there is something of a weak linkage. a southerly portion of the front which will be a player for england and parts of wales in the course of saturday. elsewhere between the two, much of scotland and northern ireland, a dry sort of day. that front is going to wiggle around and be a real nightmare for forecasters but again, with a bit of sunshine, you could be looking at 16
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01’ sunshine, you could be looking at 16 or 17 degrees. the same principle applies on sunday. still the potential for some applies on sunday. still the potentialfor some rain applies on sunday. still the potential for some rain somewhere. the temperatures again will respond quite nicely. leave that to me, you don't have to worry about welcome to newsday. i'm sharanjit leyl in singapore, the headlines: you're playing with fire. russia warns britain at the un over the salisbury poisonings. london dismisses moscow's request for cooperation. i think the metaphor that i find most apt is that of an arsonist turned firefighter. waiting for her fate. a court in south korea prepares to deliver the verdict in former president park geun—hye's corruption trial. i'm kasia madera in london. also in the programme: prison looms for lula. brazil's former president is told to turn himself in and start
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