are already being pressured by the russian and busy to come forward and cooperate them, there has been a major push back on them and i think both britain and the united states and other partner countries are very concerned about their immediate safety. it is not an ideal situation but i think it is probably a necessary thing to do and i'm pleased to see that countries that say they stand up for human rights are going to protect these lies. next to that story, today presenters rage over pay gaps, a story that has been going on for many months now, this particular story about sarah montague. she says she was incandescent with rage when she found out about the gender pay gap within the bbc. the conversation was started when she removed herself from job as international editor in china. i feel for both sarah and kerry who have not been talking

about agenda pay gap but there complain is unequal pay. in both these cases, they have left the job at the bbc to take up anotherjob at the bbc. ifi at the bbc to take up anotherjob at the bbc. if i thought apply —— an employer was discriminating against because of my gender, it is not the move i would make. if these ladies still feel they are being discriminated against, i would love to see them take them to court and get evidence that there is money will pay for equal work because until then, it is very hard to get behind, ever says that are we talking about gender pay or are we talking about gender pay or are we talking about gender pay or are we talking about unequal pay? they are two very different issues.|j talking about unequal pay? they are two very different issues. i am totally with them because i think when you work for an organisation, and it is notjust the bbc, it is every single major news outlet, has worked on the assumption, almost

without thinking about it all talking about it that winning our of less monetary value. —— women. their race. john humphrys gets... we don't know how contracts are negotiated. they they do the same job. know how contracts are negotiated. they they do the same jobm know how contracts are negotiated. they they do the same job. if you are on they they do the same job. if you are on theirside, they they do the same job. if you are on their side, take it to court and getjustice. do you know how totally demoralising it is nowadays totally demoralising it is nowadays to ta ke totally demoralising it is nowadays to take discrimination cases to court? they are taking it to the court? they are taking it to the court of public opinion and that is not where we can resolve these cases. the bbc has been contacted for a response but there has not been one yet. that is it for the papers this hour. kate and yasmin will be back at 11.30pm for another look at the papers.

next on bbc news, it's time for meet the author. the american border with mexico has been —— becoming the tramp if a political line in the sand. the new book called a line becomes a river by francisco cantu takes you there, into dangerous and unforgiving territory where the author, a third generation mexican worked for the us border patrol. a personal story, a lyrical account of the borderland that for him will always be heavy with ambiguity. welcome. what you are saying in this book, i

think, is that borders, particularly this one, another as simple as they seem. nope, honestly, that core argument of this book is that we are costly being asked to see in the united states and elsewhere our border as a simple black—and—white issue, and it is deeply complicated. your own immersion in a convocation is fascinated. you are a third—generation mexican—american, your grandfather was the first in your grandfather was the first in yourfamily to your grandfather was the first in your family to go to the united states, you served at the us border patrol so you were enforcing the laws of your country, making sure people did not cross illegally but in your heart, you understood this border had been porous for a very long time, how did you cope without?

my long time, how did you cope without? my grandfather came to the added states fleeing violence during the mexican revolution. which is really what is causing a lot of able to come to the united states today, they are fleeing violence in their home countries, and in a lot of ways, my grandfather's family came to be artist dates as refugees, really. and as people who are fleeing the war is of central america, they are refugees as well. yes, the border has been porous and there is this idea now, which i think sounds very appealing to people who art from the border or who don't have an understanding of the physical landscape of the border, that you can build a wall and just stop that. but, of course, it is really ridiculous notion, and it is really ridiculous notion, and it is really ridiculous notion, and it is sort of a medieval concept. let's go back to the book itself.

what you do is you describe, first of all, the territory. its physical presence. and it's compelling presence. and it's compelling presence. because it is strange and it is so rugged and dangerous, it is like nowhere else. so, i grew up as the son of a park ranger, my mother worked for the united states park service, so as a boy, i was always out in the desert, actually, my very first memories are of the west texas landscape, very close to the border. it isa landscape, very close to the border. it is a very harsh, inhospitable landscape but it is also very beautiful. it is a landscape as old as time. it is attractive but dangerous and a lot of people who have come over, not talking about gun smuggling or drug smuggling, but evil who just tried to get to the united states. —— but people who

just tried to get to the united states. in the united states and abroad, people had little conception of how fast of a journey this is. most people, we sort of imagine there is a lie in the sand and that you step onto the other side of it and you are in the united states. but that is actually not how this works at all. since the 1990s, in the united states, we have been building walls, and hiring more and more border patrol agents and what that has done is it has forced the crossings further and further out into the most remote, dangerous, rugged parts of the desert. so, you have a situation where people will be walking for as much as a0 miles, 60 miles, to circumvent these roads and checkpoints and patrols and many

people lose their lives. hundreds of people lose their lives. hundreds of people die every year. what do you feel about those undocumented people in the united states who have arrived illegally, has no documentation, but who have been there for one or two generation game and they pay taxes and so on, what should be done, if anything? well, i don't have a policy solution. that is why i have chosen to be a writer and not a politician. but, what i can say is that i think the way that we talk about migrants in the united states and probably locally is very problematic. i think the language we use to talk about migrants dehumanises them. we often read headlines about a wave of migration ora headlines about a wave of migration or a tide of newcomers or an uptick, as if these peoples lives is a line

that can be plotted on a raft. when you look at the individual, you realise the individual has three united states... the book as is, the book ends — the last third of the book, really, as is, e book, really, is about what happens to you. it's an incident you went through after you'd left the border patrol, enforcing the law, to do something else. you were drawn back by a personal involvement, by a story. tell us briefly what happened. so, after i left the border patrol, i tried to distance myself from that work in every way imaginable.

i was working at a coffee shop. i was going to school, to college. i became friends with a man gradually, who worked at the coffee shop, and he was from mexico. he had lived in the united states for 30 years. he had three united states citizen children. he disappeared from work one day. you know, two years after we became friends. and i started to ask what had happened to him, and it turned out he had left because a family member had died in mexico. and we thought he would be back in a couple of weeks. and when he didn't come back, that's when we found out that he was actually undocumented. that he had been arrested at the border. and because of my work, i was familiar with the system that he was stepping into, and so i began to sort of help his family figure out where he would be. so even having worked on the border, you hadn't seen it from that point of view? you were doing your duty, you were doing the best you could, in a humane way, to enforce the law. now you began to see it

in a completely different light? yes, and i think i was seeing how inhumane the system is, really, from the other side. in america there is this sort of vast deportation industrial complex. which i was only a small part of. you know, private prisons, detention centres, courtrooms, all of that, that was really foreign to me. what i also saw was how the border would be thrust into people's lives, like the lives ofjose, this man, and his children, who had never crossed the border in their lives, but the border was thrust into their lives. one fact that i have learned since i have been in england is that the distance from lands end tojohn 0'groats is actually half the distance of the us—mexico border. so the argument to build a wall, it would be like saying, build a wall twice from lands end tojohn 0'groats.

we will leave that one to hang in the air. francisco cantu, author of the line becomes a river, thank you very much. thank you for having me. 19 degrees in kent helped by hazy sunshine but for much of the uk it was cloudy, with outbreaks of rain, but if that was yours today, tomorrow will be brighter and that should be the case in cumbria. breaks of rain overnight into scotland beginning to edge away into south—east england and east anglia late in the night,

but elsewhere a mixture of cloud and clear spells and temperatures on the mild side in the south—east. maybe a bit lower with clear spells developing in north east scotland. the picture for sunday, quiet, but the weather front close to south—east england edging further north in the day, and that will bring outbreaks of rain, but elsewhere sunny spells, a lot of dry weather, but the chance of a shower, and that covers much of scotland, northern ireland, west wales and western parts of england. sunny spells developing, the chance of a shower in the afternoon. it could be heavy and possibly thundery. for much of east anglia and the south—east it will stay cloudy, and start to see outbreaks of rain on and off especially from hampshire and sussex to london into the east midlands towards lincolnshire and maybe norfolk. a cooler day compared with saturday but elsewhere if you get sunshine, it will feel warmer. this is the picture on sunday evening, notice the strip of cloud and the outbreaks of rain continuing. some clear spells around. fair amount of cloud as we go into monday but some sunny spells initially in northern england, into scotland and northern ireland, but elsewhere, the rest of england and wales with a good deal of cloud and outbreaks of rain edging west.

temperatures similar, reaching highs of about ia. the picture for tuesday, the frontal system affecting england and wales. this area of high pressure for scandinavia becomes dominant as we go through the week, not bitterly cold, but on the cold side towards the north sea coast with plenty of cloud and it looks likely in the week ahead north—east scotland will have the best of the dry and at times sunny weather. this is bbc news.

the headlines at 11:00: two people are dead and at least 20 injured after a van runs into crowds of people in the german city of munster. the driver of the vehicle killed himself at the scene. german police raid a property in the city, believed to be that of the attacker, who may have had a history of mental health problems. translation: this horrible act here in the centre of the city has shocked and appalled and alarmed me. tributes are paid to ia people from a junior ice hockey team killed when a bus they were travelling in collides with a lorry in western canada. 300 extra police officers are on patrol across london. it comes after six people were killed in shootings and stabbings in the last week. and we'll be taking another look at tomorrow front pages at 11.30 in the papers.