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will mark the anniversary. my guest will be one of them. northern ireland now. over northern ireland today? monica mcwilliams, welcome to hardtalk thank you.

-- hardtalk. —— thank you. of the signing of the so—called good friday agreement. of 20 years ago? it is a completely different place. i used to run from bombs and stand at funerals. my own friend was murdered in 1974 as a university student. those were hard days. than the life i led. i lived through the 30 years through the troubles from about 14. i signed the agreement when i was about 1m. so i say to this generation "this is your peace. we tried to make it, you need to build it.

in this different environment. and it still strikes me as a deeply, deeply segregated society. it is indeed. and we have a lot of work to do. it is an unfinished business. on those issues, and the hardest of all would—be sectarianism. that remains the case. it takes you the same number of years to come out of it. and the mindsets are the last thing that you can change. but to decommission the mindsets is a

different thing. that's what we now have a problem with. we will get to that. i want to talk in this interview about contemporary northern ireland. and going back through the troubles, too. there in the 1960s? king. civil rights took off, and i marched for those rights. because i carried a banner saying "one man,

one vote. but those were the things that we thought about. of discrimination in housing, jobs, or voting. and that has changed. by and for the protestant majority? looking back, that needs to be understood. that was one of the causes. and it could have been resolved much earlier. and they weren't about to give that power up. of what was creating enormous descent had have been tackled. two butchers, two grocery shops. of course, two schools, that was taken for granted. off to

university. you've already told me that you have lost loved ones. close to your house. did you feel hate in your heart for the other? no, that wasn't an emotion i felt. i don't think that would have been productive. full of suspicion and — it has to be said — hate. why didn't you hate? through their teenage years. what their interests were. and understanding my own interests. of the

community. had — which was a women's political party. with a protestant woman. yes, and it wasn'tjust one woman, but many. we'd sowed the seeds across the community. from both sides. in a frying pan. we need to get on with the bread—and—butter issues. sectarianism? for you, anyway. what sexual violence

meant. irrespective of who you were. we wanted the sexual violence act extended to northern ireland. was religious discrimination, not sex discrimition. up for us. if we were going to get married. that only we were suffering. irrespective of your religion and of your class. and that is when we sowed the seeds — as far back as then.

the good friday agreement. around the table. the negotiating table. there was, indeed. anyone who has experienced that tends to block it out afterwards. and tends to... how bad was it? "go home and have babies, you should not be at this table. "the only table you should be at is the table you are to polish. and "stand by your men. so we found a way of using our humour. not about us. but it was incredibly humiliating. so emotional about it.

and that was how we kept our strength together. different, fresh, to the table? you've said some interesting things in retrospect. individuals, even those who carried out violence, can change. you could see all believed in and hoped for? but not all of them. i will say something that is probably controversial now. when we received the abuse. and it is good that they were going to challenge it as well as us.

with their enemies. in south africa, you have to make peace with those enemies. it's not with your friends that you are going to sit and negotiate. that was the hardest part. understanding the legitimacy of everyone at the table. notjust us and the women's coalition, but the men. but your question is so pertinent. yes is the answer. it does make a difference when women are at the table. if they have come with progressive issues about conflict resolution... as well as old constitutional parties. and we

did. but you had big ambitions. but more than that. and mixed housing. i'm wondering whether you just feel severe disappointment. let me say first that we put those issues on the table. coming behind you. of the conflict.

otherwise, it is a terrorist charter. my point is you talked about that and wanted to deliver that. my point is that you haven't. if you go to northern ireland today, the schools are segregated. and catholic neighbourhoods in belfast to this very day. ireland. so in that cultural, deeper sense, you haven't done it. it is a beginning, not an end. the first thing we did was to create safety and security for people. those issues will be longer—term. brought up together. did your kids go to catholic school? they did. that doesn't fit with your principles. but it doesn't mean i would not fight for them today. there is more choice. we will remain segregated.

and communities and even the peace walls. down — 2023. for the disbandment of paramilitaries. but we'll also set a deadline. i won't personally disband them, nor will my colleagues. take themselves out of the picture. let me ask you a question. you say you have to believe, but you need to be realistic. year — a really significant rise. that's worrying. with the paramilitaries. but it's not going in the right direction.

into violent conflict. i don't agree with that analysis. there are armed group attacks. we actually are trying to stop using the word paramilitary. killed in london this year, with knife attacks. commanders of paramilitary groups. i'll be working at this... but... but it's worth working at. executive isn't functioning.

the dup, and sinn fein, can't work with each other. yeah. do you feel let down by the politicians today? yeah, i feel frustrated. i used to feel a sense of failure and an enormous sense of friction. you just have to keep working at it. they should by now have learned how to do a deal. the belfast good friday agreement or st andrews. about fulfilling those promises. quote, "outlived its usefulness. well, i think that's total nonsense. the life i am now leading. are now a role model for other

countries. there's a human rights commission. and the main republican, nationalist party... yeah. she said is no longer fit for purpose. yeah. that's not the way politics in a more mature society should work. we need those institutions. relationships were improved, it would be much better. of martin mcguinness came together, those institutions worked. promised and people didn't live up to those commitments. so we have to get back round the table. i've been round that table many, many times

before. i believe that those negotiations can come out the other end. i believe those governance arrangements will go back up. what do you think is the alternative? it is going to be about power—sharing. in fact there's no majorities any more. so what do you do? you form coalitions. we're not the only country. — angela merkel has a coalition. make it work. and the republic of ireland. how big a factor is that, do you believe? huge, and it's — you've put yourfinger on it, it's unknown. that we did not need to go

back into. now how are they going to do that? those constitutional arrangements were meant to be resolved. european into that agreement over and over again. in a little, tiny society, that is... of the will of the people? well, let me say it's notjust me. northern ireland voted to remain. the uk voted to go.

to resolve that? no, they didn't. to focus on it. will undermine the good friday agreement", i. like you as making excuses. it, but it's certainly a factor that we could have done without. agree. he was always, always against the european union.

sure that ireland doesn't go back to a division. which is so divisive in the north. is that helpful? well, constitutionally, he's correct, but the question is when?

that we rest that and let's resolve these issues at the moment. know each other, as strangers. of our agreement, to decide what they want to be in the future. but 20 years... that drives them. yeah. want to be. of brexit and we have political limbo in northern ireland. ireland? i don't think we're anywhere close to becoming profoundly dangerous. really?

i don't think we're anywhere close to a reoccurrence of the violence. again, when they don't need to be angry with each other, are. i am certain that we will come through this without violence. are the people who may be threatened. living with that. close to the conflict that i came through. we've tasted the prize of peace, and we will go on doing so. in the united states. you did live there for some time, but then you decided to come home.

a decent life? on in my own country. so i got my qualifications and came home and set myself about working. to come home to. a job in northern ireland. but a place of prosperity, where they can work. monica mcwilliams, thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you very much. good

morning. so far, hasn't it? but things look likely to change as we move through this week. for some warmer weather. force gusts of winds. that's 77 fahrenheit. into the low 20s. so something to look forward to. to our working week. of the day. cloudy skies first thing. to be along the south coast, highs of ii to 15 degrees.

now the winds will strengthen and the rain arrives from the west. north—west england and scotland. will fizzle out quite considerably. a band of cloud and drizzle by then. so temperatures will peak perhaps at around 14 degrees. celsius. across the near continent with this high pressure building.

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