hello, it's tuesday, it's nine o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. our top story today... a second emergency debate will be held in the commons — today it's about parliament's role in approving future military action. mr speaker, this statement serves as a reminder that the prime minister is accountable to this parliament, not to the whims of the us president. meanwhile in syria, attention is now turning to idlib in the north of the country, which is thought to house 1.5 million displaced syrians. we'll look at the plight of people there. also on the programme... an insight into life in a british brothel — the women here say the choose to work here, are doing it of their own free will, and aren't controlled by anyone else i would say to these women, these feminists, how dare you talk to me like that? how dare you tell me what ican and like that? how dare you tell me what i can and can't do and what my rights are as a woman and call yourself a feminist? studio:

the owner of the brothel — an ex—police detective — tells us exclusively that he believes police are choosing to allow brothels to operate as long as they create a safe environment for women. we have a good working relationship with the police, we do not allow underage girls, we check passports if we have any doubt at all that they are not aware of their own free will we will call the police. should police turn a blind eye to illegal brothels if women there aren't traffcked, or controlled by a pimp or addiction? if you're a police officer or ex—officer, let me know. and one in three young people face living in private rented accommodation all their lives. if that's you, get in touch. hello. welcome to the programme, we're live until 11. throughout the morning — the latest breaking news and developing stories — and, as always, keen to hear from you. we wa nt

we want your views and experiences on what were talking about. if you area on what were talking about. if you are a police officer, what do you think of the claim from a former police detective who runs a chain of brothels in the south—east of england that forces effectively turn a blind eye to the legal brothels as long as the women are not trafficked oi’ long as the women are not trafficked or being pimped out. use the hashtag #victorialive. if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. you can message is on facebook. our top story today... russia says that inspectors from the chemical weapons watchdog will be allowed to visit the site of a suspected gas attack in the syrian city of douma tomorrow. the team has been waiting in damascus since saturday. when they arrive in douma they are expected to gather samples to help identify which substances — if any — were used in the attack. the us has expressed concern that russia might have tampered with the site. both russia and syria deny that any chemical weapons were used.

seth doane from cbs news is one of the first western journalists to visit douma since the weekend. he was taken there by syrian government forces. from there, he has sent this report. this was rebel territory until two days ago. and today, we made it to the very house where the suspected chemical attack took place. "all of a sudden, some gas spread around us," this neighbour recounted. "we couldn't breathe, it smelt like chlorine." syrian forces recaptured this area from rebels over the weekend. how did the chemicals get here? "the missile up there," he pointed on the roof. we asked him to take us to where the missile allegedly hit. he took took us here and pointed here. where we found a missile neatly resting. the human toll of the fighting was evident in the main square this afternoon. hundreds of thousands of civilians

have been living here, many without food for months. you can see the desperation here, people just hoping for some bread. we asked this mother of five why she didn't leave, if the fighting had been so bad. "we tried more than once," she told us, "but the rebels wouldn't let us go." nine days have already passed since the suspected chemical attack, and if weapons experts do make it to that building, they could find a scene that has been tampered with, and eyewitness accounts that can be confusing and contradictory. —— a scene that may have been tampered with. seth doane, cbs news for bbc news, damascus. following yesterday's vote in the house of commons on the uk's part in the air strikes on syria, mps will continue to consider their role in approving military action. the labour leaderjeremy corbyn criticised theresa may's decision to authorise air strikes without consulting parliament.

—— without consulting mps first. our political correspondent, alex forsyth has more. the uk's involvement in air strikes on syria has divided opinions, not just drawing protests but debates too. yesterday mps spent more than six hours discussing the military action. the prime minister was there throughout, answering more than 140 questions defending her decision. let me be absolutely clear, we have acted because it is in our national interest to do so. it is in our national interest to prevent the further use of chemical weapons in syria and to uphold and defend the global consensus that these weapons should not be used. but the labour leader said the strikes were legally questionable and could be counter—productive, arguing the focus should be on a political solution. this house was not only denied a vote, but did not even have the opportunity to question the government in advance

on the legal and evidential basis for their participation in this action. despite the lengthy and late session the debate was heated, with disagreement over whether mps should have had a say before the strikes were ordered. but as someone who supported military action against daesh in syria in the vote in september 2015, may i say gently to the prime minister that she should have come first to the house before committing our forces to action? the public well understand that when our forces need to act quickly and decisively and safely in concert with our allies, it must be right to authorise strikes without giving notice. when the talking stopped at 11pm, there was no binding vote but plenty of strong feeling and today, the debate over these crucial principles will continue. alex forsyth, bbc news, westminster. annita is in the bbc

newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. the prime minister will meet caribbean leaders later today to reassure them that that those who came to the uk in the 50's and 60s as part of the windrush generation will not be deported. yesterday the government formally apologised after it emerged that thousands of people potentially being incorrectly identified as illegal immigrants due to paperwork issues. jon donnison reports. the so—called windrush generation. commonwealth migrants who came to britain as children decades ago but, due to a tightening of immigration laws, now say they're being treated like foreigners in their own home. people like sonia williams, who came here from barbados in the 19705 when she was just 13. i can't drive, i can't work, i can't claim benefits, i can't do anything. when they took away my driving licence in 2016, i started to put it

together and i thought, no, this is all connected, and they're saying i'm an illegal immigrant. as commonwealth leaders gather in london for a summit, the prime minister has reversed a decision not to discuss the issue with them. but only after her home secretary was forced to apologise. i do not want any of the commonwealth citizens who are here legally to be impacted in the way they have, and frankly, some of the way they have been treated has been wrong, has been appalling, and i am sorry. to the mother country with good intent. 70 years after the first of the windrush generation arrived, the government has now promised to resolve all disputed cases within two weeks. john donnison, bbc news. police are investigating the fatal stabbing of another teenager in london. a man, thought to be

around 18, was killed in forest gate last night. so far there have been no arrests. police are investigating more than 50 murders in london so far this year. up to a third of people born during the 19805 and 90s may never own their own home, according to a new report. research by the resolution foundation, a think—tank which works to improve the lives of those on low incomes, says a third of the millennial generation could be renting when they retire. the government says it's already putting policies in place to improve the housing market. ajudge in new york has rejected an attempt by president trump's personal lawyer, michael cohen, to prevent prosecutors reading files seized at his offices and home last week. among those in court was the pornographic actress, stormy daniels, who says she was paid by mr cohen to keep quiet about an alleged sexual liaison with mr trump. 0ur correspondent nick bryant reports from new york. at this federal courthouse in lower

manhattan, the media circus of barnum & bailey proportions. it was not only the president's lawyer michael holland who worked —— walk through the doors, it was stormy daniels, the pawn actress that michael: paid 100,000 dollars to allegedly to prevent her from talking about a sexual encounter she allegedly had with donald trump in 2006. googled my attorney and i are committed to making sure everyone finds out the truth and the facts of what happened, and i give my word we will not rest until that happens. michael cullen argued that material seized by federal investigators as pa rt seized by federal investigators as part of criminal investigation into his activities should not be seen by federal prosecutors because they are covered, in his mind, by attorney—client privilege. the federal prosecutors argued that attorney—client privilege does not apply ina

attorney—client privilege does not apply in a criminal investigation. what thejudge has apply in a criminal investigation. what the judge has decided apply in a criminal investigation. what thejudge has decided is apply in a criminal investigation. what the judge has decided is that michael:'s team and, indeed, president trump ‘s team, should be given copies of the documents seized, they can identify what they believe is covered by attorney—client privilege and then she will make a determination what the federal prosecutors can see. a former policeman has told this programme that he believes the authorities are choosing to allow brothels to operate, as long as they create a safe environment for women. police sources have confirmed that unless women working in brothels have been trafficked or exploited, they have other priorities to focus on. the former law enforcer now runs a brothel himself in the south—east of england and says they do all they can to make sure the women are safe. you can see the full report by victoria on this programme a little later. that is in a couple of minutes. this text from jane, victoria i am a feminist, i get so angry at other

so—called feminists, she says, telling any woman what she can and can't do with her body. the idea that all six workers are coerced into it is nonsense and an insult to the intelligence of the women who do that with —— all sex workers. the film is in the next couple of minutes, stay tuned. let's get some sport with will perry. it's looking pretty desperate now for stoke city at the bottom of the premier league? absolutely, are we finally seeing their ten—year stay in the premier league ending? five points adrift of safety with four games left after the 1-1 safety with four games left after the 1—1 draw at west ham. it could have been much better than them at the london stadium, stoke fans were dreaming ofa the london stadium, stoke fans were dreaming of a great escape after peter crouch putting them in front with 11 minutes to play. stoke were heading for theirfirst with 11 minutes to play. stoke were heading for their first win in ten but could not hold on. look at this from andy carroll, a really important point for west ham who are seven clear of the relegation zone. it would have been four but for that

late intervention, paul lambert hoping for a miracle to keep stoking the premier league. google -- keep stoke in the premier league. let's talk about safe standing, it's the issue thatjust won't go away? sean hardie says there is significant demand to say standing. tracy crouch, the sports minister, rejected a request from west brom to trial it at their stadium next season, they want thousands of their seats to be converted to rail seats, which can be locked up right. harvey says we do not consider the comments made this week the last word. crouch‘s decision has been heavily criticised by fans and experts, with an online petition to face the government to debate the issue, having already got more than 56,000 signatures. it has been trialled at celtic park, they have the seats of the scottish premiership and domestic games and downfall uefa and champions league matches. it will be

debated in parliament on may the 1st. and there was a meltdown of mcenroe proportions at the monte carlo masters? the world number 51 jared donaldson conference of the empire, i think it is there to say more than disagreeing with a call made in the first round defeat at the monte carlo masters. —— gerald donaldson confronted the umpire. he went absolutely bananas when a serve by the spaniard was called in by the umpire. i cannot see the mark, it was for sure on the line. you couldn't see a marker?! there is a mark right here! that was a mark right here! that is! stop this. you are not shoving me one mark. i think that is more aggressive than

mcenroe ever got. video replays showed that donaldson was correct, hawk—eye was not in use. donaldson eventually lost the match 6—3, 6—3. bang on the line. the rams went on and on. it is not your fault, i am just telling you what it is. it is not yourfault, i am just telling you what it is. it is not your fault, i am telling you what it is. call the supervisor expiration his money will be happy! good morning, welcome to the programme. this morning an insight into life in a british brothel. in extremely rare access, we've spent time inside a chain who say they choose to work there, and the man who runs them — astonishingly, an ex—police officer. he tells us exclusively that he believes police forces are choosing to allow brothels to operate, as long as they create a safe environment for women. police sources have confirmed to us that unless women working

in brothels have been trafficked or exploited, they have other priorities to focus on. in an hour, we'll talk to a former chief constable and a writer who says women who work in brothels are not inherently safer. first, here's our film. as you'd expect with this kind of subject matter, it contains graphic sexual references and some images of nudity, and it lasts around 15 minutes. so, your next gentleman, he wants you to come in wearing nothing but high heels. from the women that say that they choose to work there... they want you to be their boss or their secretary. i know i've got to let you go. you've got client number seven, i think, haven't you? yeah. all right. ..to the ex cop that runs it. we run a tight ship. we don't allow drugs, no underage girls, we check everyone's passport. this is life on the inside of one

of britain's brothels. everybody seems to like to shower. that's why we go through so many towels. we've reported on prostitution, or sex work numerous times. we've talked about women who are trafficked into the country and then exploited. we've talked about the grooming of young girls who were then pimped out. there is another side of it. there are some women who say they choose to work as prostitutes and louise is one of those. tell us why. well, originally i fell into this with work a few years ago. i needed money fast and i made it fast. i went on to do a few normaljobs. office work. i went to uni, and then i made the decision to go back into this kind of work and it so i can provide for myself in the future. some people will not believe you. they will not believe you've made a positive choice to sell your body for sex in order to make money.

convince them. i understand that, i understand that completely. i think there is a negative, a really negative stereotype within society that makes people think that women are doing this to fund a drug habit, or because they are so desperate they have no other options, or because they've been trafficked, forced, coerced into this kind of work. they can't seem to wrap their heads around the fact that i want to do this job, that it's my choice, that i enjoy this kind of work and that i wouldn't be doing it if i didn't want to. you choose, you say, to work from brothels. i'd always rather work in an environment that i can guarantee is clean and safe. sometimes on out calls, you go to people's houses, you're in their environment, it might not be the cleanest place, it might not be the safest place because you don't know who's in there. i could never fully relax because you've always got one eye on the escape route. it might be dirty. they might have been up for days, they might have been partying, they might be drunk. anything could happen. i didn't feel 100% safe.

as the maid or receptionist, talk us through the schedule for today. 0k. well, essentially everyday we have three ladies working and we usually have two bedrooms. basically, so two of the girls will be working at a time. one of the ladies will be waiting until after one of the other ladies has finished to use the room and what we do, we do half an hour slots, 45 minute slots or an hour slot, all that different costs. and just so we know who's coming what time, etc, and so there is some organisation about it all. we don't like clients to bump into each other at all. a client can have a shower himself and leave. the next client can come in and also a girl herself can have a freshen up and a shower. everybody seems to like to shower, that's why we go through so many towels a day. you've been in this industry for a long time. how would you say it's change? what i've noticed nowadays is that there's a lot of young gentleman coming in,

handsome gentleman, people that you wouldn't think would need to pay for sex, but it's easier for them then dating, meeting a girl. some friends will actually come together before a night out and i don't... it's become a lot more normalised. smile. could we get a side shot if possible, please ? stick that little tush out. there we go, that's absolutely gorgeous. thank you so much. tell me why you're taking these pics. basically, these are daily pictures that we put on our twitter account. so they are not website, they are not airbrushed or anything like that, they are real—life pictures. we will blur faces out, tattoos or any identifying marks or something like that, but it'ss basically so we can have a fresh picture of the girls daily on who's available that day. so anyone going on your twitter account would know who is available that day? yes, that's basically it. could we have another one from the back, please, my darling?

sorry, victoria. that's all right. are you comfortable doing this? very much, yeah. this is my favourite pose, i think. why? i don't know. i think i look good in this post. you've got a very peachy bottom, my darling. very peachy. there you go. a very peachy but indeed. so you're on the website and with some pictures of you in various poses, and on the website it talks about your age and your stats and dress size and so on and your nationality, and then it talks about the services that you offer. gfe — what's that? it's a girlfriend experience. what's that? so perhaps a bit more... there's the door going again. that must be another client. yes. girlfriend experience, lots of kissing, loss of touching, exactly what it says on the tin, you know? it's a bit more loving, if i can use that word. toys, role—play, kissing, 0w? that's oral with. so oral with condoms, which is the only one that i do, so that's, yeah. do some men want it without?

yes, yes, and i've lost business because i only do all with, but that's my baseline. so 0w0 would be the oral without a condom. for your next gentleman, he wants you to come in wearing nothing but high heels. what are some of the more unusual requests that you've had? you get people that have fetishes and that have very niche ideas about what they like. i tend to get the foot fetish men. men who'd like to have sex with your shoes or various objects. there is quite a common one of having sex with your best friend's friend, or they want you to be their boss

or their secretary or someone in their lives that they fancy, but that they can't have sex with. presumably there is a bit of black humour about some of the requests? oh, yes. of course, of course! there's lots of giggles. louise will see eight or nine clients on a busy day. they are charged £70 per half hour. louise takes home £115 of that. the rest goes to the brothel. you are here and we can see your face and we can hear your voice. why? why are you comfortable with it? i'm sort of publicly outing myself today. if i came on here and i was trying to dispel a stigma and help people see that there is a different side to the industry, which contradicts their existing beliefs, and i didn't show my face, i would feel as though i wasn't setting an example. what i'm trying to present is a side of the industry that people might even know exists.

that people might have such a set in stone thought process about that they think automatically, automatically that all girls that do this are on drugs or have been trafficked and that is not the case for me and for many, many other women. we're fully booked at the moment. if you give us a call in the next hour or so, maybe we could have a cancellation for you or something? doorbell has just gone again. another client is here. this is pretty much a conventional small, two—bedroom flat. small front room, smallish kitchen. all the kind of paraphernalia you would find in a normal kitchen. washing machine, sweeping brush, sink, etc, etc. but in the cupboards, no tins of baked beans or cereals, but the kind of paraphernalia that you need in a brothel. mouthwash, condom, deodorant, lots of hand wash, air freshener and next that, dozens of packets of baby wipes for the women who work here to clean themselves after they've seen

the client and for the clients to clean themselves as well. tissues and then nappy sacks. not for nappies, but for used condoms. the owner of the brothel, a father of one, insists he does all that he can to make sure women who work for him aren't being forced to do it someone else. they'll be spoken to by receptionists, or there are on—site managers. if they've got any doubts, with others say, look, we're not comfortable with this and will send them home. if it's something extreme, then we will call the police. there is no hundred percent guarantee. there may be a girl working for us now who has been with us for years and seems happy bubbly and might go home and give every single penny to her boyfriend. how do you know the edge of the women who work in your brothel?

we always ask for passports and if we're not happy with passports or id cards, even if the date of birth is correct, if we're not happy with the card, again, we willjust turn them away. do the police turn a blind eye? i would say we have a good working relationship with the police. we run a tight ship, we don't allow drugs, we don't have any under age girls, we checked everyone's passport. if we've got any doubts at all they are not there on their own free will, we will call the police. we've done it several times when we've actually rang the police and said we've got these girls here, when not happy their story, we think that they might be here under duress. how often has that happened? twice in 15 years. as part of the conditions for us being able to film here, we were allowed to talk to any clients. over the course of our time at the brothel we spoke to 11 women who work there and all said they were working out of their own free choice. are there women that you work with that you think are being coerced? no, absolutely not. are there women who are doing this kind of work in order to help pay for drugs, or alcohol?

in the place where i work, no. i have never witnessed people that i, to my knowledge, are working to fund a drug habit. it wouldn't be allowed. people don't want to go and see girls who are drugged off their faces or alcoholics. that does happen, but you're saying it doesn't happen in this particular brothel. no, absolutely not. are there girls who are under the age of consent here? no. i've never seen that in this environment, never. you've been working all day, you've just come back in and i saw that you rolled your eyes as you were coming in clutching your underwear. why? the client was a bit boring. he probably was a bit shy and he doesn't know what to talk and what to do with me. what did he talk about? there's the bell again. what did talk about? he was talking about his nails.

ok, i know i've got to let you go. you've got client number seven, i think? yeah. i'll let you go. thank you very much. goodbye. after you. so it'sjust through here... this is where everything takes place, with the service takes place. it's pretty bog—standard, it's fairly basic. so, yeah. how do you get your head around having sex, or having to do various different things with a man you've never met before who is paying for that? all i need to know is that he's there because he knows i'm providing a service to him. it's sex that's transactional in nature and that's myjob, that's my type of work. this isn't personal sex. this isn't sex with my boyfriend or my husband or, you know. this is work.

why would you choose to be a prostitute? that's what people don't understand. why would you choose that? i chose to do it because i want money and i want to earn a good wage and i don't want to have a regular normaljob where i earn minimum wage. i think it's difficult for women to make money at a young age. i do it because i make good money and i'm saving up for myself. i want a future for myself. i don't want to have to rely on anyone else. i want to be financially secure an independent. do you always enjoy yourself? sometimes i will enjoy myself more than at other times. i think that's true of anyjob, you know. you will like some clients more than others, regardless of the work you're doing, 0k? whether i was having sex with someone, or doing their books, or interior designing their house, i may like some clients to others. that's not to say that i have a bad time with clients because if i ever feel that i'm being disrespected, which hasn't happened. it's never happened to you?

you've never felt disrespected? not on an in—calljob. i've always worked in a house where there were other people present and if they thought there was anything wrong with clients, they wouldn't let them in. if i thought there was anything wrong with a client when i came into the room with him, i wouldn't do that service. if he gave me any sort of attitude, if he said something i didn't like, if he made any comments about me that i felt were negative or insulting, i don't have to see that man. it's not necessarily the woman's call, is it? they might not have the confidence to say, i'm not doing this, please leave. maybe not. all that we can say to them and i can say to them is you have the option, you have that choice of whether to see that client or not. i would hope, as in my case, that that's enough to give them the confidence that they need to say no. brothels are illegal in england and wales, as you know. it is not illegal to sell sex

or buy sex in a brothel, unless you're involved in operating it. what do you think about that? i would personally love to see brothels decriminalise, regulated, even legalised and licensed. my problem with the law that states women can't work in brothels in groups of two or more is that i can't myjob within the confines of the law. it's almost as if the government have said, ok, you can sell sex, you can sell yourself, but we are going to make it as dangerous and is difficult for you to do that as possible in the hope that it will stop you doing it. what would you say to feminists then who say...? that i'm being exploited? yeah. i find that really such a form of patronising condescension. it's that kind of attitude that motivates me to sit and talk to you and try and dispel these myths that i'm this idiot who's being exploited and forced and the worse. google —— and coerced.

i would say to these women, i'd say to these feminists, how dare you talk to me like that. how do you tell me what i can and can't do and what my rights are as a woman. you call yourself a feminist. and after ten we'll hear in more detailfrom karl — the brothel owner — and from a critic of prostitution on any level. carl is a former police detective. really keen to hear from you and your experience of prostitution — particularly if you work in the police. you can read more about our story on the bbc news website — it's currently one of the most read stories of the morning. thank you for your messages. anonymous says "as an ex—midlands pc in the 90s, of course brothels were great — they took people off the street which meant less trade but less punters looking for girls on the street." tracie on twitter says "if she truly chooses that, then good for her." by

by shi shi means the reason the film. —— by she, she means louise in the film. nigel on twitter agrees, saying, "her choice. good luck to her." but nudity south africa on twitter says, "victoria, this is really sad. please give her a differentjob.." allen on facebook says he's a regular user of brothels and prostitutes and adds, "i believe it is about time the whole industry was addressed in an adult manner." there are only ever negative reports about this. many of these ladies choose this lifestyle, as i choose to visit. we continually hear about trafficking. if i thought at any time i had been in the company of a lady who was forced in to this or under the age of 18 i would be the first to report to the authorities. other countries manage to accept and control this way of life, why can't we? treat adults as adults. keep those coming in, more in the next hour. really interested to hear from you, and you can message as anonymously if you work in the police. where in your last —— list of priorities, and we know it is

child sexual exploitation, one of your priorities, where on your list of priorities do illegal brothels come? breaking news about an employment, it fell between december and february by 16,000. —— it fell between december and february by16,000. —— breaking news about unemployment. unemployment is at 1.42 million, according to officialfigures. at 1.42 million, according to official figures. unemployment fell by 16,000 between december and february two 1.42 million, according to officialfigures. february two 1.42 million, according to official figures. the february two 1.42 million, according to officialfigures. the number in workers reached a record high of 32.2 million. —— the number in work has reached a record high. still to come... one in three young people face living in private rented accommodation all their lives. we'll speak to some millenials who can't see a way they'll ever be able to own their own home. and a looming crisis in the number of defence lawyers. we'll speak to one man who couldn't access a duty solicitor when he was arrested, and then later cleared. time for the latest news — here's annita with the bbc news

headlines this morning. russia says that inspectors from the chemical weapons watchdog will be allowed to visit the site of a suspected gas attack in the syrian city of douma from tomorrow. the team — which is expected to gather samples to help identify which substances were used — if any — has been waiting in damascus since saturday. the us has expressed concern that russia might have tampered with the site. both russia and syria deny that any chemical weapons were used. an emergency debate will take place in the commons this afternoon on the government's decision to authorise air—strikes in syria without consulting parliament. theresa may is defending the military attack, arguing it was morally and legally right to join the strikes. but the labour leader jeremy corbyn has questioned the legality of the move. the prime minister will meet caribbean leaders later today to reassure them that that those who came to the uk in the 50s and 60s as part of the windrush generation will not be deported. yesterday the government formally apologised after it emerged

that thousands of people potentially being incorrectly identified as illegal immigrants due to paperwork issues. police are investigating the fatal stabbing of another teenager in london. a man, thought to be around 18, was killed in forest gate last night. so far there have been no arrests. police are investigating more than 50 murders in london so far this year. up to a third of people born during the 19805 and 90s may never own their own home, according to a new report. research by the resolution foundation, a think—tank which works to improve the lives of those on low incomes, says a third of the millennial generation could be renting when they retire. the government says it's already putting policies in place to improve the housing market. a former policeman has told this programme that he believes the authorities are choosing to allow brothels to operate as long as they create a safe environment for women. police sources have confirmed that unless women working in brothels have been trafficked or exploited, they have other

priorities to focus on. the former law enforcer now runs a brothel himself in the south—east of england and says they do all they can to make sure the women are safe. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. let's get more on the latest unemployment figures — our econmics correspondent andy verity is here. let's talk about the unemployment figures and an pay figures?m let's talk about the unemployment figures and an pay figures? it is a very small proportion of an ever—increasing workforce, which has hit a record of more than 32 million. but in these numbers we have seen the first real terms pay increase for a year. that squeeze on living standards we have talked about web page does not go up as fast as prices has come to an end, for now at least. —— we had talked about where our pay does not go up as prices have. that is one of the

main factors attributed to consumer sales falling and the economy not going as fast as it might. people do not have much confidence because pay is not keeping up. in the three months from december 20 17th to february 2018, the average pay increased by 2.8%. higher than inflation? google just about higher than impatient —— inflation? google just about higher than impatient -- just about higher than impatient -- just about higher than inflation, but the squeeze on living standards has now eased. we have really had the worst decade for living standards increasing in 200 yea rs. living standards increasing in 200 years. it is quite a mystery as to why this deal we were so used to after the war when pay kept increasing at inflation seem to have gone away for much of the last ten yea rs. we have gone away for much of the last ten years. we have to hope this is not a blip and we keep getting real pay increases. thank you very much, andy. here is some sport. stoke are five

points adrift of safety with four games to go. peter crouch put them ahead but andy carroll rescued an equaliser. following sunday's 4—0 scottish cup final defeat against celtic. english football league chairman john hardy is asking the government to allow say standing at grounds. celtic park in glasgow introduced safe standing in 2016 and harvey says there is significant popular demand for it to be allowed. sports minister tracey crouch rejected a demand to trial it from west brom. world number 51 jared donaldson confronted the umpire after disagreeing with a call at the monte carlo masters. the american drilled albert ramos—vinolas and lost it com pletely albert ramos—vinolas and lost it completely when the serve was called in by the umpire. he went on to lose the match and refuse to shake his

hand. for sport at 10am. —— hand. forsport at10am. —— more hand. for sport at 10am. —— more sport. the prime minister is to meet caribbean leaders later today to reassure them that those who came to the uk in the 50s and 60s as part of the windrush generation will not be deported. norman smith, what will happen today? i imagine mrs may faces a difficult meeting with representatives from caribbean countries. there is so much anger about what has happened to the windrush generation, notjust about what has happened to the windrush generation, not just from caribbean countries but westminster. i have seen all sorts of barney ‘s in my time but rarely such genuine and shame at the way they have been treated across the political divide. we have had figures like michael howard, no soft touch on issues about immigration, describing it as lamentable and then in the commons people like david lammy, a very

powerful speech talking about a national day of shame. and i think it matters not just national day of shame. and i think it matters notjust for the repercussions in terms of relations with many members of our community and the caribbean but what it says about the home office, and there are serious questions about whether anyone has a grip on what is going on. at the moment it is not clear whether any of the so—called windrush generation has been deported, the government does not think so but they are not absolutely certain. yesterday the home secretary could not say whether some had may lost benefits or lost out on nhs treatment because of the additional checks. the immigration minister seems to say different things from the home secretary and you are just things from the home secretary and you arejust wondering things from the home secretary and you are just wondering who is running this and has a grip on it, and why has it got so much more political salience? lots of people are pointing the finger of blame at mrs may. when she was home secretary she introduced much tougher checks which meant if you wanted to be

naturalised you had to have bank records checked, medical records, much tougher checks introduced to create what she called a hostile environment and some people are saying it is that hostile environments which has resulted in this situation. the spawning mrs may met the jamaican prime minister, andrew holness. —— this morning mrs may met. they did not say much after their meeting in downing street. take a look. mr holness, are you concerned about the windrush generation and their treatment?! did you speak to mrs may about it? so no real answers. the other reason why this matters is because of brexit. we know around 3 million eu people who live in this country have got to have their claims processed to make sure they can get settled status, i suspect of mps are

thinking, crikey, look at the mess they have made with the windrush generation, how much confidence can we have there will be nothing similar with eu citizens living in britain? i would like to ask you about syria, there is a second day of debate, mps in the house of commons. today it is about how involved mps should be in any future action britain is involved in? we have another emergency debate following six hours yesterday which was more about the syrian intervention itself. jeremy corbyn has called an emergency debate on the power of parliament to ensure future military action has to be approved by mps. the government has made it absolutely clear they will not do this, they fear it would create a precedent which they do not want to have. jeremy corbyn has said he is in favour of have. jeremy corbyn has said he is infavourofan have. jeremy corbyn has said he is in favour of an actor. when we get to the votes tonight it will not matter a jot, i am afraid. ——jeremy corbyn has said he is in favour of a

act. it is purely a technical motion. if mrs may had put her decision to intervene in syria to a vote she would almost have certainly won. during the debate last night many labour mps actually back her and some of the tory mps who rebelled against david cameron in 2013 over syria say they regret that. if she had put it to a god she would almost certainly have won. thank you, norman smith. an official from the russian defence ministry has said inspectors from the chemical watchdog will be allowed to visit the site of a suspected gas attack in syria tomorrow. the scientists have been waiting for permission to enter the city of douma since the weekend. meanwhile, there are fresh concerns about a potential humanitarian crisis in idlib in the north of the country, where 50,000 people are thought to have fled in recent weeks. it's one of few areas in the country not held by forces loyal to president assad,

and has become what the un say is the biggest cluster of displacement camps in the world, with around 1.5 million people. charities say humanitarian efforts are becoming increasingly difficult to co—ordinate, and they worry that casualties could be catastrophic if idlib is attacked in a similar way to other areas. so let's get an insight into what's happening on the ground in idlib. we can talk to fadi aldairi. he's the co—founder and country director of hand in hand for syria, who run hospitals and provide water and sanitation across syria. janine lietmeyer — the middle east group manager for malteser international, the maltese government's humanitarian relief agency which works in idlib. and to caroline anning, syria advocate at save the children. welcome. you had staff working all

over syria. how fearful are they about idlib being targeted next by president assad? it is not about how fearful. eventually president assad and the government of syria will close in on idlib. what we will see isa close in on idlib. what we will see is a mass migration. you either reconcile with them are go to idlib. eventually they will close on it. what does that mean? as in, and take it over. they will come and take it over like they did in douma. potentially barrel bombs or worse? yes. if you look at any kind of weapon the government of syria is using right now, it will cause mass casualties. it is heavily populated. there are 3.5 million people living

in idlib. the resources are overstretched. aid agencies can no longer cope. jenin, would you agree with that? humanitarian agencies cannot cope with what is happening in idlib? it is notjust the masses of people entering now, this is happening for a very long time. idlib has been an ongoing emergency, with massive destruction of the basic infrastructure. also, we are facing the altered —— multiple emergencies for a long time. since november, 300,000 people displaced in idlib have been displaced again. they are going to campsites close to the border with turkey. the different agencies try to work across the border but access is limited. the security situation is really difficult. it is notjust

about strikes going to happen, but it is an everyday reality that idlib, although it is part of the de—escalation zone and is supposed to have some sort of ceasefire agreement in place, but there is fighting on the ground, and there is air bombardment fora fighting on the ground, and there is air bombardment for a very long time, targeting not only military but civilian infrastructure. this is a huge concern not only for the newly arriving from douma, but also for the people who live there in a dire situation. it is already longer than five years. do you have any idea of the estimate of the numbers of children in idlib? about half of the total population are children, maybe slightly over. at least 1.5 million children. a significant numberof million children. a significant number of those have been displaced, either from their homes in idlib or

other areas like eastern ghouta. there are so many children. we run about 50 schools across idlib. these children have never gone to school. they will turn up aged ten and it is their first they will turn up aged ten and it is theirfirst time. they will turn up aged ten and it is their first time. they have been living in basements, they have moved from one displacement camp to another. it is a really challenging situation for children, a challenging situation for aid agencies desperately trying to help. we are seeing a huge amount of violence there. it is something we are scenario planning for. given particularly that there is nowhere for the population to flee to. right now we see huge levels of violence, whether it is barrel bombs, air strikes, fighting between armed groups on the ground. last week there was a fight in idlib city that killed 170 people, damaged to schools. the week before, 20 children fled when an air hit near

their school. this is the reality for the millions of children living in idlib and also for the syrian aid workers trying to help them. what can you do to try to ameliorate what is coming down the track? there is nothing we can do. we can be prepared as much as we can. we are trying to prepare the people. i will be in brussels next week. i will be taking some messages to the syria conference. we want to highlight the issues about idlib. we have the government of syria 20 close in on the main highways in syria. this would leave people having to flee again, been displaced once again, probably for the third or fourth time, intoa probably for the third or fourth time, into a small geographical area. this is putting pressure on the infrastructure, like sewage, water and shelter. do we have the ability to respond? no. we're only

meeting 10% of the demand currently in idlib. thank you all. i'm gratefulfor your time. i'm sure we will talk again. thank you. up to a third of young people will never be able to afford to buy their own houses, and will live in private rented accommodation all their lives. that's according to research for the resolution foundation think tank, who say that 40% of millennials — those born between 1980 and 1996 — were living in rented housing by the age of 30. that's twice as many as generation x, those born between 1965 and 1980. charlotte steggz, is in rented accommodation. laura gardner is from the resolution

foundation. and david o'leary is from the house builders federation. laura, fill us in on the research?‘ well, i think it is well—known that britain has a housing crisis and it ta kes britain has a housing crisis and it takes many forms. there are a lot of things we need to do. long—term it is about building more homes. in the shorter term we need to think about how the size and the make—up of the private rented sector is changing. more people retiring in the future but in the shorter term we have got a trebling of the number of families with children in the private rented sector. it 1.8 million. with children in the private rented sector. it1.8 million. it with children in the private rented sector. it 1.8 million. it was 600,015 years ago. the private rented sector is not always appropriate for that stage of life. it is insecure. many homes fail the decent homes standard is. we are looking for a sensible reforms to make it more fit for purpose, for bringing up families and for retirement. more security and more stability of rent. i will ask you

about sensible reforms in a moment. charlotte, why do you say, aged 31, you will never be able to afford your own home? in my career! chose to work in the charity director. i work for a social enterprise, i work with young people. if the thing that got me out of bed in the morning was making money, perhaps i would be able to. i want to do good in the world. unfortunately it does not pay me enough to be able to live and have my own home. i am actually in shared accommodation. and i have been for the past few years. i don't really have the opportunity to spend more of my pay cheque each month on re nt more of my pay cheque each month on rent to be able to live by myself or to get my own place. said the idea of saving for a deposit to buy a home is not on the cards for you? not in any way, shape or form. how do you feel? it is quite depressing. asa do you feel? it is quite depressing. as a modern woman i think maybe at some point if i find a nice guy to

date and we move in together, maybe i have a chance. i think that's really sad. i want to be an independent woman and i want to support myself rather than wait for a guide to help me. that makes me quite sad. david o'leary, hello. is there any motivation for house—building, construction companies, to build affordable homes? well, actually around 4096 of the affordable homes built each year are supplied by private developers. this is through cross subsidies and other means, things like shared ownership, socially rented homes those kind of properties are actually provided as a result of war private development, ongoing. we have seen private development increased by up to 74%. that is generating many more affordable homes. sorry, what has gone up by

74% ? homes. sorry, what has gone up by 7496? housing supply is up by 7496. what about affordable houses? that is also up. unfortunately, most of the affordable housing now provided is from the private sector. we would like to see more public investment from the government. that would help. we need homes of all types. while the private sector is providing affordable housing as a result of the private developments they are producing, there is a lot of scope for the government to do more and for other providers to step m, more and for other providers to step in, like housing associations. there is plenty more to do. we need more homes of all types. let me ask you in the studio about what you describe as sensible reforms, suggestions from the resolution foundation regarding private rented accommodation. what are you looking at in terms of tenancy agreements,

for example? we have looked at what goes on across the uk and abroad. if you look as near as scotland, they have recently introduced indeterminate tenancies. if the te na nt indeterminate tenancies. if the tenant is mistreating the property, or the landlord wants to reoccupy or sell, that is absolutely fine. but otherwise it is not the case that the tenancy can be entered for absolutely no reason. this exists in scotland, germany, the netherlands. does it work? it does. it is a sensible rebalancing of rides between landlords and tenants. it is an important step. we are also looking at light touch rent stabilisation. at the start of the tenancy the landlord absolutely has the right to set the rent of the market rate. three years from that period, the increases in the rent would be limited to the headline

inflation measures. after that there would be the right to reset it at market rent again. this combination of indeterminate tenancies and light touch stabilisation is about getting more security for those increasing number of tenant in the private rented sector, particularly those in retirement are bringing up family when that stability is needed. thank you all. at ten o'clock we will bring you the latest news and sport, as always. before that, all the weather. simon, it is getting warmer. thank goodness! yes, finally, victoria. it seems like a long winter. we have got some sunshine at the moment in the channel islands. for northern and western areas it is quite windy. lots of cloud. outbreaks of rain. through today the rain will continue in the north and west. the best of the dry and bright weather will be towards the south east. temperatures could be up as

high as 20,201 east. temperatures could be up as high as 20, 201 degrees. this is what we have to look forward to into thursday. look at those temperatures. 26 in london. even in northern ireland, 18, 19. for today we have got an area of low pressure sitting towards the west. a weather front into western areas. quite a wind. gales and exposed western areas. that will continue into the afternoon. the best of the dry and brighter weather in the south east of england. let's look at things at three o'clock. still some patchy rain towards south west england across wales, north—west england as well. for scotland and northern ireland, sunny spells. the risk of showers. sunshine in the far north—east of scotland. that is where temperatures can reach 15 to 16 degrees. then towards the south east whiley sunshine may turn hazy

in the afternoon, it is here it will stay dry and brighter with temperatures of 18, 19 degrees. despite the cloud and the wind and rain, temperatures on the rise coming to the mid teens. going through tonight, it is largely dry. afairamount of through tonight, it is largely dry. a fair amount of cloud. showers in the north and west. overnight temperatures around ten, 11 degrees. let's talk about wednesday. it is going to be a fairly tidy start. across england and wales the cloud gradually melts away. lots of sunshine developing. still cloudy with rain and showers across scotla nd with rain and showers across scotland and northern ireland. a fantastic end to the day for england and wales. temperatures responding. low to mid 20s. 14 to 18 in scotland and northern ireland. thursday, more sunshine. cloud on western coasts. with all the sunshine, temperatures responding again. 26 degrees in the

south—east. look at that! thank you, simon! hello, it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. our top story today — the commons is to hold a second emergency debate on syria about parliament's role in approving future military action. mr speaker, this statement serves as a reminder that the prime minister is accountable to this parliament, not to the whims of the us president. with fears the crisis in syria could escalate, we'll discuss the implications for the region. also on the programme, an exclusive insight into life inside a british brothel. we speak to an owner — an ex—cop — and those who say they choose to work there. what i am trying to present is a side of the industry that people might not even know exists, that people might have such a set in stone thought process about that they think automatically that all girls that do this are on drugs or

have been trafficked. the owner of the brothel is a former police officer. if you work for the police, is what he claims is true? that police forces often turned a blind eye to a legal brothels as long as the women who work there are not trafficked or exploited. —— to illegal brothels. and the law society say legal aid cuts are decimating the numbers of defence lawyers. we'll be speaking to someone who couldn't get a duty solicitor when he was arrested, and later cleared. good morning. here's annita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. good morning. there's been positive news for the economy this morning — the number of people in work has reached a record high, while wages have grown slightly above inflation for the first time in nearly a year. earnings went up by 2.8% in the year to february, compared with a rise in the cost of living over the same period of 2.7%.

new data also shows that unemployment fell by 16,000 between december and february to 1.42 million, the lowest in more than a decade. russia says that inspectors from the chemical weapons watchdog will be allowed to visit the site of a suspected gas attack in the syrian city of douma from tomorrow. the team — which is expected to gather samples to help identify which substances were used, if any — has been waiting in damascus since saturday. the us has expressed concern that russia might have tampered with the site. both russia and syria deny that any chemical weapons were used. an emergency debate will take place in the commons this afternoon on the government's decision to authorise air—strikes in syria without consulting parliament. theresa may is defending the military attack, arguing it was morally and legally right to join the strikes. but the labour leader jeremy corbyn has questioned the legality of the move. the prime minister will meet caribbean leaders later today to reassure them that that those who came to the uk in the 50s and 60s as part of the windrush

generation will not be deported. yesterday the government formally apologised after it emerged that thousands of people were potentially being incorrectly identified as illegal immigrants due to paperwork issues. police are investigating the fatal stabbing of another teenager in london. a man, thought to be around 18, was killed in forest gate last night. so far there have been no arrests. police are investigating more than 50 murders in london so far this year. up to a third of people born during the 19805 and 905 may never own their own home, according to a new report. research by the resolution foundation, a think—tank which works to improve the lives of those on low incomes, says a third of the millennial generation could be renting when they retire. the government says it's already putting policies in place to improve the housing market. a former policeman has told this programme that he believes the authorities are choosing to allow brothels to operate, as long as they create a safe

environment for women. police sources have confirmed that unle55 women working in brothels have been trafficked or exploited, they have other priorities to focus on. the former law enforcer now runs a brothel himself in the south east of england and says they do all they can to make sure the women are safe. thank you to barbara for her e—mail. she says i'm 80 and they worked like a trojan to earn a living. i wish i had had the guts like louise in your film to cash in on my hazards. six i5 film to cash in on my hazards. six is an important and necessary part of life —— sex is. and to categorise it as being reserved for meaningful relationships as idealistic. most of the feminists who criticise people like louise do not have the same assets to sell and lots of foolish women give themselves away for nothing but the illusion that the

recipient will love them back. we will talk more about the brothels that we had access to and what we di5covered that we had access to and what we discovered in the next half—hour. especially if you work in the police or you used to, let us know your view. do the police effectively turn a blind eye to illegal brothels in this country unle55 a blind eye to illegal brothels in this country unless there is trafficking or exploitation going on? send me a message on twitter. send me an e—mail. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. you do not have to use your name, of course. here's some sport now with will. stoke a re stoke are getting closer to playing in the championship next season after a 1—1 draw at west ham last night. they are five points adrift of safety with four games to play. stoke of safety with four games to play. sto ke fa n5 of safety with four games to play. stoke fans were dreaming of a great escape, peter crouch put them in front with 11 minutes to play. they we re front with 11 minutes to play. they were heading for their first win in ten but could not hold on, a volley from substitute andy carroll made it 1-1, a from substitute andy carroll made it 1—1, a really important point for west ham who was seven clear of the

relegation zone. engli5h relegation zone. english football league chairman shaun harvey i5 english football league chairman shaun harvey is asking the government to allow 5afe standing at government to allow safe standing at grounds. he says there is significant to popular demand for it to be allowed. sport minister tracy crouch last week rejected a request from west brom to trial it. hardy says we do not consider these comments to be the last word. safe standing was introduced following the taylor report after the hillsborough disaster. at celtic park, celtic introduced safe standing. it is the only place that happens in the uk. manager brendan rodgers says it creates a better atmosphere. the all party to regroup on football is set to discuss in two weeks. kenny miller and lee wallace will be suspended by rangers pending an investigation into an angry exchange with manager graham murthy following the 4-0 with manager graham murthy following the 4—0 scottish cup semifinal defeat against celtic. they have been called in to a meeting this

morning. ben stokes says he lived every moment of the winter ashes tour. he missed england's 4—0 drubbing in australia because of an ongoing court case for his alleged involvement in an incident outside a bristol nightclub last september. he told the guardian he was just gutted with the results, just as gutted as his england team—mates were. world number 51 gerald donaldson confronted the umpire astor, i think it is fairto confronted the umpire astor, i think it is fair to say, more than disagreeing —— jared donaldson. it is fair to say, more than disagreeing ——jared donaldson. it came in his first—round defeat at the monte carlo masters. he was losing to albert ramos—vinolas when he saw red. look at this. there is a mark right here! there is a mark right here! there is not a reason to talk like this. stop this. why are you doing this? you are not showing the one mark. called the supervisor right now. eventually you will see the video

replays show that donaldson was actually correct. hawk—eye was not in use at the monte carlo masters. donaldson eventually lost the match. he apologised to his opponent for his behaviour but refused to shake the hand of the umpire. that is all the sport for now, the headlines at 10:30am. do police effectively turn a blind eye to brothels providing they create a safe environment for the women working there? this morning we've had exclusive access to a chain of brothels in the south—east of england, hearing from the women who say they choose to work there and the man who runs them. he's a former police detective, a dad of a teenager daughter. he tells us police have turned upto his premises to do welfare checks on the women, he's even co—operated with police after clients have died there — but he's never been arrested or charged for illegally running a brothel. police sources have confirmed to us that unless women in brothels have been trafficked or exploited, they have other priorities to focus on.

this is the interview with karl — whose surname we're not using for obvious reasons. again, the conversation is graphic and contains sexual references. it lasts around ten minutes. i'm not going to lie, there are men and women out there that will exploit females and males in this industry. it does exist, no denying. i can't escape that and i am aware of the stereotypes and how people look at it. the way i and my staff see it is we provide a safe environment for us to work in the industry they choose to work on. most of the rest of the industry is about the exploitation of mostly women. aren't -- aren't you propping up women. aren't -- aren't you propping up that wider industry? women. aren't -- aren't you propping 7ii women. aren't -- aren't you propping up that wider industry? i don't think so, i think that will always

exist. i think we are providing a safe option. if we were not there, the only option might be to work for somebody violent or somebody who will exploit them. we are there from ten o'clock until nine o'clock every day answering the phone, taking bookings for them, arranging their diary, arranging their appointments. all they had to worry about is when they turn up for work that the clients are there, the clients are looked after and when they go home at 8pm they do not have to think about work again until the next day. you make it sound harmless and efficient and like a business. mmm—hmm. efficient and like a business. mmm-hmm. it is not like that, is it? why do you say that? because, in the end, women are selling their bodies to strangers. mmm-hmm. for money, pa rt to strangers. mmm-hmm. for money, part of which they hand over to you. yes, they do. it is a choice they

make to work in the industry. it somebody, a stripperfor make to work in the industry. it somebody, a stripper for example, they work in a strip club, they will have to handover probably a bigger percentage to their bosses than a girl working for us. anybody that works for a big estate agent, for example, they are all paying commission. as you said, it is run asa commission. as you said, it is run as a business, efficiently and safely. we a re as a business, efficiently and safely. we are providing those services for the girls who want to be... who choose to be at industry. the difference between a state agency or modelling is brothels are illegal. mmm-hmm, correct. and you area illegal. mmm-hmm, correct. and you are a former detective. mmm-hmm. running brothels. correct, yes. what do you think about that? you don't seem in the slightest bit bothered. sometimes i have a moral conundrum

on where i stand, especially with my background. but at the end of the day, i have is to make a living. i can sleep at night knowing the people that work for us are safe. i don't provide this service and run this business to break the law. i am running this business the same as eve ryo ne running this business the same as everyone else does theirjob, to provide for theirfamily everyone else does theirjob, to provide for their family and to better my life. but you can't pick and choose the laws that you like? iagree, laws that you like? i agree, but i disagree with the law. it is akin to being a drug dealer, for example, making money... in what respect? selling class a drugs is breaking the law that that person might not be doing it to break the law, they are earning a living. it is the road to anarchy of people say ido is the road to anarchy of people say i do not like that law, i will not bother with that? ican bother with that? i can see what you are saying. regardless, regards the six

industry, i think it should be legalised. it would be safer. ynys mon attempt there might be 12, someone mon attempt there might be 12, someone like london or birmingham it might be into the tens. —— in a small town there might be one or two. if they are licensed they can be policed, not just two. if they are licensed they can be policed, notjust by the police but by health agencies, the taxman, all these things. do the police turn all these things. do the police turn a blind eye? i would say we have a good working relationship with the police. we run a tight ship, we don't allow drugs, we have no underage girls, we check passports. if we have any doubts at all that they are not there of their own free will we will call the police, we had met several times when we have phoned the police, said we have these girls, we are not happy with that story, we think they might be under duress. that has happened twice in 15 years. would you describe it as they work with you? every time i have dealt

with you? every time i have dealt with them we have had a good working relationship. they have said that could change at any time, they could get a different directive from above. iam get a different directive from above. i am sure there is nothing written on paper which says we will just ignore this. there might be something to say let's monitor this. policing is all about discretion. the law is there, whether police decide to use it is discretionary to the police. how do you know that the women who work in your brothels are not being forced by a pimp for a boyfriend? they will be spoken to by a receptionist or on—site managers. if they have any doubts, we will either say we are not comfortable with this. and we will send them home. if it is something extreme then we will call the police. there is no 100% guarantee, there might be a girl working for as now who has been with us working for as now who has been with us for years and seems happy and bubbly and she might go home and give every penny to her boyfriend. how do you know the age of the women? we always ask for passports

and if we are not happy with passport or id cards, even if the date of birth is correct, if we are not happy with the card we willjust turn them away. how do you earn your money? the girls pay about 30% commission. i am about £60,000 a year. do you pay tax on your earnings? we do. we pay corporate tax. i pay income tax. the limited company is registered as what? as an escort agency. do you sleep with the women in your brothels? no. have you ever? no. are you sure? you posed. i wasjust thinking about my wife. you were former police officer, running brothels, which are illegal in england and wales. you're not losing

any sleep thinking you are going to be raided by former colleagues and that you are going to be charged with a criminal offence. that is not a possibility from what you are saying. i am fully aware of it. prison is not nice for anyone. especially for a former policeman. nothing has happened in 14 years? with regards to the police? we have been raided. what were you ready for? from running a brothel. a manager is arrested, interviewed, bailed, and when it came to bail date, they refused a charge, they gave her money back. if they closed us gave her money back. if they closed us down, yeah, i could go to prison, they could get a lot of kudos. then there are 15 to 20 girls who have to find somewhere to work. they might

be thinking, let's police this by visiting regularly, making sure that everything is in order, rather than have a bigger problem. how often have a bigger problem. how often have you had to throw punters out because they have been angry, drunken, on drugs, violent or aggressive? two or three times a year. very rarely for a drink or drugs. due to our opening hours, it mainly is either a conflict in the room with regards to payment, content characters. -- conflict of characters. what has been the worst incident and what are the reasons for getting rid of someone? they will normally haggle over payment. they will say, i paid you. the girls will say, no, you haven't. it is the level of aggression that man decides to take. have you ever called the police because a punter has not paid? i've called the police twice.

u nfortu nately, two paid? i've called the police twice. unfortunately, two gentlemen died. they both had heart attacks. he says a more diverse range of men come to his brothels now than when he first started running them. when i first came into the industry, it was that stereotype when it came to the clients. 40 plus. they did possibly fit the stereotype of what everyone else imagines. now there is no stereotype. it is completely across the board from 18 to 80. why do you think the age spectrum has widened? perhaps within male groups, whether a group of 18—year—old friend to play five aside football, or a group of 40—year—old businessmen who go to the same club. i think that seeing prostitutes has become acceptable within mail groups. what do you think of the men who pay women for

six in your brothels? the client who comes in and is abusive, i don't like. that is because he is abusive. the fact he is paying for six there is no relevance. one of the biggest changes in recent years has been the emergence of websites where men can rape women underperformance. like a hotel, if it gets a good review, it gets more customers. if it gets a bad review, it gets less customers. a girl getting better reviews is more successful. we have had girls who have come to us and in their first week they will get an absolutely damning review. they will never have any success and tend to leave quite quickly. and then what we will see is like a hyena mentality. where they willjust we will see is like a hyena mentality. where they will just turn on them like a pack and rip the girl, not physically, online. the punters? yeah. 10096. what are some

of the insults? give me some words that these punters use? if she has had a baby, they will say, don't see her, she has got stretchmarks. most people over 30 are going to have had a child. they werejust rip people over 30 are going to have had a child. they were just rip them to bits. they will say, "she has had a kid. she has a scar." i wonder if a punter can say to a woman, if you don't do this, i will give you a bad result? table come in and say, i'm from uk panting. the girl is already guarded. it is quite foolhardy of the client. they will probably not deadin the client. they will probably not dead in natural service. it is like doing an exam at school. you know

you will get marked. do you fill a genuinely has an impact on a woman? yeah. if they are told. i would presume the girls would try her ha rd est. presume the girls would try her hardest. but the girls just don't like it. they will say, he was from this report. it put someone on ace. there are girls who have come out of the industry because of these websites. they just the industry because of these websites. theyjust can't do it. the job is hard enough as it is. nobody is saying thisjob job is hard enough as it is. nobody is saying this job is easy. these clients think it is easy. they refer to the girls as stupid, as thick. the fact they decided to be working girls because they are incapable of doing anything else. you have met some of these girls. that is not the case. carl, a brothel owner. let's talk now tojulie bindel, author of the pimping of prostitution. she thinks prostitution should be abolished entirely. sir peter fahy is former chief constable of greater manchester police.

he's here to talk to us about how the way we police brothels is changing. thank you for listening to the interviews and watching a film earlier. louise says she chooses to work as a prostitute. what do you think of that? first of all, i'm just wondering about the pimp you have been interviewing, whether he is going to be arrested and why he doesn't sell six himself. i wonder why he chooses to pimp women rather than to actually see punters himself, knowing how grotesque they are. this is not about any feminist or anyone critical of the abusive six industry, taking away the so—called choice of women to sell six. these women and their so—called choices are held as a human shield to defend the men, who we know this is about. we know this is about sexual access

by them to women as and when they wish. so i refuse to actually say that this is about a choice of women. everybody watching this programme knows this isn't something they want to do and they would choose to do. i'm going to stop you there. i am going to play the clip from louise. i asked this a number of times.|j find that really such a form of patronising condescension. it's that kind of attitude that makes the — that motivates me to sit and talk to you and try to dispel these myths that i am busy idiot who is being exploited and forced and coerced. i would say to these women, these feminists, how dare you talk to me like that? how dare you tell me what my rights are as a woman? call yourself a feminist? julie? the

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