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temperatures up to 23, enough to spark off afternoon showers and in east anglia a rumble of thunder. in the west, 10 degrees down on what you experienced today. for the marathon, it will be warm in london but not as warm as recent days. the chance of showers later. the fresher air will win out as we finish sunday. back to what is typically normal spring weather next week. monday, dry and sunny and that will continue in the east. thicker cloud in the west bringing rain to northern ireland and western scotland and north—west england and wales. around the coast, turning damp later. sunshine in the east. temperatures down on what we have seen in recent days, temperatures here. in the north, frequent showers will be widespread. hello. this is bbc news. we will be
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looking at the papers in just a moment but first the latest headlines. the first minister of wales ca rwyn headlines. the first minister of wales carwyn jones headlines. the first minister of wales carwynjones has announced he is to stand down in the autumn. two weeks after the suspected chemical attack in syria, international experts carrying out an inspection in the town of doom. north korea's announcement it has ended its testing of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles has received a largely positive response around the world. a three—year—old boy has drowned in a swimming pool at a sports centre in leeds. hello and welcome to our look ahead
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to what stories are dominating the front pages of tomorrow's papers. with me are nigel nelson the political editor of the sunday mirrorand political editor of the sunday mirror and the sunday people and jill phillips, a political commentator. many of the front pages are in already and let us look at those that we do have. the sunday times reports security chiefs are to get greater powers to fight terror following the attacks in london and manchester last year. also on the front page, claims about scotland yard's handling of an investigation into allegations about a conservative mp.
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the observer leads with accusations that government plans to force people to prove their identities at polling stations in next month's local elections risk alienating people from ethnic minority communities. the sunday telegraph has the headline facebook given one week to protect children. the paper accuses social media companies of turning a blind eye to underage users and reports that the government is considering new laws to hold firms accountable. the sunday express carries the same story on its front page saying that the health secretary jeremy story on its front page saying that the health secretaryjeremy hunt is concerned about the lack of action taken by social media companies to protect young users. and the daily mail says meghan markle‘s uncle has accused the bride—to—be of not inviting him to her wedding to prince harry next month. so a wide range of stories there to discuss with my guests. thank you for joining us. welcome to both of you. let us start with the sunday times. this is a leaked document which is meant to show what the new security strategy is going to be. broadly the idea seems to be that you will try and get intervention long before
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people get around to blowing us up. the idea would be, for instance, that the police would step in earlier, worn town halls and government departments that somebody might be dodgy and try and intervene there. the real problem of course, as mentioned here, is that there are 23,000 extremists in this country. we did not know that figure, we thought it was 3000 and then the security minister blurted out that it was a lot higher. the problem for the agencies like mi5 are that they have a hard of 3000 that they are trying to monitor and the moment and other terrorist or suspected terrorist comes on to their radar, one of them goes into the 20,000 who are then not monitored and that is oui’ are then not monitored and that is our problem. if you think about the days of the ira, they were 600 strong, they did an extraordinary amount of damage and now you're talking about 23000 and that is the kind of thing they have to get a
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grip. it is a real change. it is a change of approach and i think your reference to the ira is correct, because it is a draft county terrorism strategy to replace the one last published in 2011. in that intervening time, lord knows we have seen enough atrocities and violence to know things have gotten worse. this is about changing quite a lot of the way we go about our daily lives, i think. of the way we go about our daily lives, ithink. in of the way we go about our daily lives, i think. in ways that might not be noticeable in terms of roadblocks and things like that, but it is going to see police and spies warning government departments, town halls, devolved administrations about suspects in advance. it is also about beefing up security at sporting events and concerts and use and improving the detection, because everything is moving so quickly and i know we are going to come onto the
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facebook story, but a lot of this is about technology. the old ways of intervening and preventing terrorist i'iow intervening and preventing terrorist now require some very smart people working on a computer. they are talking about intervening earlier to bring people tojustice, before plots come to fruition. the danger there is whether they actually have there is whether they actually have the evidence, which has always been the evidence, which has always been the problem for the agencies. the evidence, which has always been the problem for the agenciesm the evidence, which has always been the problem for the agencies. it is a danger. in a sense, to compare a few like the ira with jihad ease, the biggest danger is that with the ira you could track them, collect the evidence, because you knew they would not blow themselves up. if you're dealing with a jihadi, you do not know that. if they have a rucksack, you have to stop that person quickly before they trigger it, because they will blow themselves up. there is obviously a
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human rights element here, certainly for trying to bring someone to justice too early, there could be a problem, but the alternative is an awful lot worse. and there is a question of community relations because there is going to be the inevitable, there is something about focusing on groups, communities where the threat for terrorism and radicalisation is hires, which means that there will be accusations of disproportionally targeting the muslim populations. and we are talking now about security threats, looking at the sunday telegraph, which has a different story, looking at gchq warrants it cannot stop all russian attacks and this is, you we re russian attacks and this is, you were looking at this question of cyber security. this is ciaran martyn, the head of britain's cyber security agency, gchq, he is the cyber defence unit and he has written an article in the telegraph tomorrow morning saying it is a
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matter of when and not if britain faces a serious cyber attack and its focus now is on building resilience. this is going to have an impact on all of our lives because it is the systems and the systems we care about the most, power and water supplies, internet and rail networks of the health service and it does not have to be a catastrophic bring it all down in one go, it is the drip, drip, drip of disruption that then makes britain and unreliable country to do business with, to bank with, transport systems and things get lost, things get broken. the point here is what he is trying to do is warn us that they cannot stop everything. in a sense, we have had that from the director—general of mis that from the director—general of m15 who has always said, publicly, we will trying keep your safe as we can, but inevitably, the bombers will get through and we saw that tragically last year. the same thing
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applies to the cyber attackers and the warning here is, yes, do expect that your water supply will have a problem at some point, your electricity will not work, that we are not in a position to actually ward off every single attack. are not in a position to actually ward off every single attackm seems there is a heightened level of alert, in particular, because of the concerns that russia may want to carry out further reprisals after the tit—for—tat expulsions and now we have had the strikes and the uk in the us blaming russia for helping the syrian regime... the new cold war will be carried out in cyberspace and the russians are particularly adept at that. they are getting the warning on first, expect some trouble, but things like that have gone up 400% since we bombed syria, attacks from the russians on social media, the bots that are out there, it is a new world, but at
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least it will not cause any bloodshed, at least not yet. 0k. let us bloodshed, at least not yet. 0k. let us look at another story on the front page of the sunday telegraph, facebook given one week to protect children. facebook has already been under huge pressure over a number of different issues. yes, it is a slightly hysterical headline. as if it is going to make a blind bit of difference, whatever facebook do and i wonder if mark zuckerberg has actually consider the idea that he might do everyone a favour and say i have created a monster, i'm going to switch it for a bit and let us think about how to get it right. this is jeremy hunt, the health secretary, who is very concerned about the impact of technology on children's health. particularly their mental health. particularly their mental health. he wants... i have to say, this sounds utter twaddle to me, he wants to come out with recommended
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daily healthy screen time limits. and then he wants to hold facebook and other organisations, instagram, which is owned by facebook, to crack down on them on the way they are apparently not been so rigorous about stopping underage use. but if you are, all you are doing as health secretary is coming up on recommended guidelines that your children should spend on their screens and the tablets, it will go the same way as the recommended guidelines on healthy eating, because we have got an obesity crisis. it is not for me to defend a tory health secretary, but you are being unfairon tory health secretary, but you are being unfair on jeremy hunt. no, i am not, but this is not necessarily just about the government and facebook, it is also about parents. it is indeed and that is the point thatjeremy hunt makes in his letter, it is about the protection
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of children and what he is saying is, look, we give alcohol guidelines to adults, it does not mean you have to adults, it does not mean you have to follow them, but at least you have a guideline were you know what healthy drinking is. that is adults. when it comes to children, because this is about parents, to give a guideline to children about the amount of time they should be on a screen must be a good idea. at the moment, that 5—16 —year—olds are spending six and a half hours in front of a screen per day, in 1995 that was three hours... you do not need to have a guideline to know that cannot be good for you. how many are as would be ok? the american health department say two ours is what they should be restricted to and parents know... they are saying one hour limit for children aged between 2—5. the ida ofa children aged between 2—5. the ida of a two—year—old. .. children aged between 2—5. the ida of a two-year-old. .. with a two—year—old, you might actually be able achieve that. exactly. we have
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able achieve that. exactly. we have a couple of other stories to let that. let us turn to the observer, the local elections here. the observer is saying that tories are ina new observer is saying that tories are in a new race row over identity checks for elections. we knew that they were going to trial this, so we would have to bring a piece of id before you were able to vote which has not happened before. the equality and human rights commission are worried about this and they have written to david liddington at the cabinet office and said, we think this would disproportionately affect people and they are suggesting here, there could be a bit of a racism row coming from it. i do think, it is a trial and it is a trial at the local elections next month and i think it is worth giving it a go. it seems that there have been too many exa m ples of that there have been too many examples of electoral fraud, it is not a widespread thing, but the idea
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of proving your identity when you arrive
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