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the headline: north and south korea have begun theirfirst summit in more than ten years. kim jong—un became the first north korean leader to step on to southern soil since the end of the korean war. he walked across the demarcation line to be met by president moon—jae—in. in a statement, the white house said it wished the korean people well. the american comedian and entertainer bill cosby has been found guilty of drugging and molesting a woman at his home in philadelphia in 200a. cosby — who's 80 — could receive a prison sentence of up to 30 years and in all likelihood spend the rest of his life behind bars. facebook has admitted it didn't read the terms and conditions of a personality test app that it allowed on its site. it was used to harvest the data of 87 million people by cambridge analytica — a firm accused of using it to influence political campaigns, including the presidential election. now on bbc news, thursday in parliament. hello there and welcome to thursday
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in parliament. on this program: home secretary faces more calls to quit in the continuing row over immigration. isn't it time that the home secretary considered her honour and resigned? mps call on the government to keep the uk in a customs union with the eu. and the speaker reckons one cabinet minister has nailed the perfect parliamentary answer. that exchange should be ca ptu red answer. that exchange should be captured in a reusable bottle and prefera bly stored captured in a reusable bottle and preferably stored in one of our great easy and. at first, the home secretary amber rudd has faced repeated calls from labour to resign over targets to remove eagle ——
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illegal migrants from the uk. when she and the appeared in front of the home committee, she said that no such targets existed. labour put down an urgent question, asking her to come to the commons to explain. amber rudd said she was omitted to tackling illegal immigration.” amber rudd said she was omitted to tackling illegal immigration. i have ever agreed that there should be specific removal targets and i would never support a policy that puts targets ahead of people. the immigration arm of the home office has been using local targets for intel performance management. these we re intel performance management. these were not published targets against which performance was assessed. but if they were used inappropriately then i am clear that this will have to change. another day, another revelation about the windrush scandal. yesterday giving evidence to the home affairs select
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committee, the home secretary said in terms we don't have targets for removals. but the general secretary of immigration service union told the committee earlier that there was a net removals target, that enforcement teams had to meet. and they are aiming to remove a certain numberof they are aiming to remove a certain number of individuals in any given month. the general secretary later confirmed that the target this month was 8337, with targets on posters in regional centres. when lord carrington resigned over the falklands, he said it was a matter of honour. isn't it time that the home secretary considered her honour and resigned? amber rudd stressed the windrush generation from the caribbean were here legally, as to illegal immigration, some officers
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we re illegal immigration, some officers were working with targets. u nfortu nate i were working with targets. unfortunate i was not aware of them andi unfortunate i was not aware of them and i want to be aware of them, which is why i am now putting in place different measures to ensure that that happens. the revelation that that happens. the revelation that the real targets exist comes to fio that the real targets exist comes to no surprise to me or any of the hundreds of constituents. there is a litany of counts, incompetence is. this home secretary is presiding over a department out of control marked by cruelty and chaos. will she stop shielding and will she do the honourable thing and resigned? we now understand that people have been removed because of targets and she said she didn't know. i say with all conscience, is she really the right person to lead this office of state? does the home secretary agree with her processor at the current prime minister, that she is sick and tired of ministers blaming others when something goes wrong and surely he/she does take full responsibility for this serious issue then perhaps
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she should do the honourable thing and resigned? i do take serious murrah sponsored bill at the —— i do ta ke murrah sponsored bill at the —— i do take serious my responsibility. but ido take serious my responsibility. but i do believe i can be the one to put things right. i understand that the house will want to hold me to account for that i am confident that the changes i am committed to putting in place and the transparency that will go with that will deliver the changes that are expected. it is obviously did the disappointing that she didn't know the facts which gave evidence yesterday and i look forward to more detail from her on this. yesterday and i look forward to more detailfrom her on this. but yesterday and i look forward to more detail from her on this. but can i also ask her to follow up the foreign office has said that in april 2016 as part of regular ministerial dialogue with caribbean partners, foreign office ministers we re partners, foreign office ministers were made aware of concerns about some immigration deportation cases. we re some immigration deportation cases. were those concerns past two home
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office ministers and what did they do? amber rudd said she would think that and be in touch. conservative mps backed the home secretary and hit out at labour for conflating the problems facing the windrush generation and the government ‘s attem pts generation and the government ‘s atte m pts to generation and the government ‘s attempts to crack down on illegal immigration. is not the same thing at all as the party opposite tries to make that dealing with the windrush generation, who are entirely titled to be here, is not the same as removing illegal immigrants. most people in the real world outside of the labour party, the snp and the metropolitan london elite in the media to leave that the government don't do enough to remove illegal immigrants from this country, not that they are doing too much. illegal immigration is wrong because it creates unfairness to those legal migrant to do the right thing and play by the rules, like the windrush generation. isn't it vital that we keep that distinctions and don't allow the party opposite
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to cynically conflate the two for political purposes? you think that my honourable friend is right. it is a completely different situation. everybody in this house is to welcome the windrush cohort and make sure they are properly looked after, that there is a compensation scheme put in place, but we all have a different view about illegal migrants and that is the right thing to do. a short time after that, the home office announced it is to scrap its internal targets for removing illegal immigrants. oliver, the government ‘s overall target of reducing net migration to under 100,000 will stay in place. mps have backed a call for the government to include as an objective in the brexit talk, the option of establishing a customs union between the uk and the eu. the government ‘s position is to leave the current customs union so that the uk will be free to pursue trade deals that other countries around the world after brexit. the decision, which isn't binding on the government,
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came at the end of the debate instigated by a group of senior mps and shares of influential select committees are. the cherub home affairs committee began by spelling out the importance of goods being able to move freely between the uk and its biggest markets, the european union. at dover, 400 lorries and our rumble on and off the ferries to france. in ireland, 6000 lorries and 8000 fans whiz to and fro across the border without even breaking. from apples to aerospace, from yorkshire woollen is to scottish salmon, britain does more than £230 billion of export trade with european countries every year. those businesses don't get stopped at the border, don't pay ta riffs stopped at the border, don't pay tariffs or pay in extra forms, they can to sail on through. that is the frictionless trade; jobs depend on. —— that so many. frictionless trade; jobs depend on. -- that so many. pasha, cross any businesses that are currently exporting to the eu or indeed
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intending exporting to the eu that are looking forward to filling in all the customs forms that will be required once we have left? funnily enough, i happen to. if you insist on having a new free—trade agreement, then it should include and as faras agreement, then it should include and as far as possible, replicate, the arrangements that the customs union and the single market gives us 110w. union and the single market gives us now. if any hardline eurosceptic is to get up and say why, it is positively in the british interest to have new customs procedures, that we want more lorry parks at dover, that we wish to delay the lorries carrying goods. i hesitate to hear it. he has served in this house, if lam not it. he has served in this house, if i am not incorrect, 48 years and served ina i am not incorrect, 48 years and served in a number of governments. he will know this government has been advised by its own officials to
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leave the single market and a customs union will make this country poorer. can he, in all his time, think of a government that has knowingly ta ken a think of a government that has knowingly taken a decision of this gravity which will make the country poorer? can he think of any example of any government he has seen where they have done that? not deliberately, accidentally. laughter . although the government says the uk is leaving the customs union, it says it doesn't want to see a hard border with checkpoints between northern ireland and the republic. but they laboured brexiteer didn't see the need for infrastructure at the border, there were, she said, already checks without it. there is already checks without it. there is a ready legal border in northern ireland for excise, for our whole, tobacco, vat, immigration, visas, dangerous goods and security. indeed, the primary function of the ha rd indeed, the primary function of the hard water of the past, and people
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forget this because they want to forget this because they want to forget what happened during those long years of troubles, reason for high borders than, the primary function was as a security border, not a customs border. if there is in any shape or form any harder order, any shape or form any harder order, any hard border than what we have at the moment, sinn fein will exploit that and agitate for a border which would getjeopardise our constitutional status in terms of northern ireland. i will not tolerate that. we take about -- talk about taking control of trade, all tradies bilateral. we are a community of nations, we have to ta ke community of nations, we have to take —— treat other nations with respect. we have the best trading partnership in the world, why would we want to leave? today's debate will send a clear warning to the government that it cannot steamroll over the wishes of the members of this house. it is now time for the
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prime minister to act like a prime minister and challenge those in her party and her cabinet to continue to hold the country and these negotiations to hostage. when we leave the european union we will leave the european union we will leave its customs union and that is a matter of fact. the government has also been clear that facing a new customs union with the eu is not compatible with a meaningful independent trade policy. we will not be doing that. outside the eu and the customs union uk will be able to sign its own trade deals with our partners around the world. saying this does not need —— mean that we do not need the partnership with our nearest trading partner. markets are deeply interconnected and will remain the case for the future. that is why the prime minister set out the government 's intention to negotiate the broadest and deepest possible economic partnership, covering more sectors and cooperating more fully than any free—trade agreement anywhere in the world and recognising the point of the convergence from where both sides begin. well, when it came to
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the vote, the motion urging the government to pursue a customs union in the brexit negotiations was passed without a formal division. but the result is not binding on the government. mps have accused facebook are bullying journalist and being amorality free zone. in a lengthy session with the culture committee, the technical officer has agreed with that assessment and set them straight back face that made was not being aggressive enough in dealing with data breaches. how many money will you spend in the next on your next car? i'm sorry? how much money will you spend on your next car? i don't know. and what is the rough square footage of your home?” do know that at the top of my head. facebook gathers that information of its users. i doubt facebook knows the square footage of my home or how
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much i will spend on my next car. those are categories of user information that facebook gathers data on based on your use of facebook and the way you use the insert —— internet. facebook and the way you use the insert -- internet. i have looked re ce ntly insert -- internet. i have looked recently at my advertising preferences that anyone of you or your constituents can use right now, to look at the interest that we understood you have have done it had and that is how we allow advertisers to advertise against. in my instance, there was nothing about my home or the purchase price of my car or anything close to that level of detail information, such as liking for coffee, certain events and things i am interested in the. i am interested in technology, travel, cats. i like cats. he explained the committee is concerned about political advertising. there is a big difference between consumer
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advertising and political advertising. we have seen that from the content and looking at the content that was resented to the united states congress that came from ads run from the internet search engines are. what our fear based, highly targeted, it influences people ‘s actions and behaviour is. this is the reality of how these tools are being used. what happened in 2016 with the russian internet research agency, you know, is awful. it is a terrible idea that a nation state would be using our products to interfere in the elections of a democratic nation. it is sort of against everything that we stand. the key weapon in that is to find out the actors. the problem here is that they were masked rating as citizens of the us. the committee turned to the data
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breach exposed by the guardian, when information was harvested by a cambridge university academic and sold to a political consultancy firm, cambridge analytica, who denied the information was used in the us election. why did facebook threatened to sue the guardian for no advance warning about the story published when previously you acted on information the guardian had given you to show gcsr had compromised data ? given you to show gcsr had compromised data? we were sending a letter to confirm facts used in the article. that is fairly common. will you apologise for this behaviour?” am sorry that journalists feel we are trying to prevent them getting the truth out, it is not intended.” think the real issue here is
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cambridge analytica and the sale of data to them and what they did with it. that is the primary focus of my time and energy, understanding what is happening there. there are two components, those who did things against the terms of service, things we don't like, that is partially on them. we have said repeatedly mistakes we made were not being aggressive enough and enforcing these things and having control over these, which we made changes in 2014, making many more, including ones i detailed last month. i acknowledge that we needed to do more and that others have done something is. that is howl more and that others have done something is. that is how i would put it. bullying journalists and potentially impeding investigations by authorities. i put it to you today that facebook is destructive today that facebook is destructive
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toa today that facebook is destructive to a fundamental rights of privacy. you are not an innocent party. your company is the problem. what do you say to that? i respectfully disagree with that assessment. you are watching thursday in parliament with me, i listen a conservative mp talked about the moment he found out he had lung cancer. in the commons he had a debate about the importance of early diagnosis. it was a saturday afternoon and we were exploring somewhere new. the children had some lunch. i sat down and realised i needed to clear something from my throat thinking it could be a bit of food, perhaps some phlegm. the next thing i remember is looking down and
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realising my tissue had a bright red blob of blood in it. feeling my heart pounding and a knot at the very pit of my stomach at the shock, and that's the thing about cancer, half of us will get it, and it can strike just when you least expect. i could have left it. we blokes are pretty good at doing just that. i felt fit and full of energy and had no pain. but i didn't, and it saved my life. from everything i have seen and experienced, early diagnosis and treatment lies at the heart of this. that is why i believe that a national screening programme for lung cancer is needed as we do for
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breast and bowel cancer. in the lords, people were concerned with something called the rapid alert system for food and feed, a round—the—clock eu service which alerts people to food safety risks. according to the european commission, it is a key tool to allow swift reaction when risks to public health are detected. lord raqqa from labour wondered what would happen when the uk was not a pa rt would happen when the uk was not a part of the eu. —— rucker. would happen when the uk was not a part of the eu. -- rucker. there would be eight notices for the rapid alert system today. the only countries that get that notice are members of the eu and the european economic association. we will be outside of those. this is an integral part of the single market and the customs union. the system did not exist before we joined the common market, as it were. so how
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can the fsa operate on day one? this cannot be transferred over. how are we going to get those notices? 3000 a year. warnings and potential hazards. they are collective security and safety for our population. well, the noble lord is quite right to say we get them now and we will continue to get them during the implementation period up until the end of december 2020. umm... afterthe until the end of december 2020. umm. .. after the implementation period has finished, as the noble lord and all others will know, we are seeking to go shake a deep and special relationship with the eu on which... i do not think it is a laughing matter. it is a serious matter. the security and safety of this country. it not only affects food safety, but chemicals, medicines, every space. we have set out our plans for associate
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membership in those systems because that information goes both ways. my lords... the food agency will become so strong after brexit it will likely do something about the appalling poor quality most poor people have to eat and which fills up people have to eat and which fills up our hospitals with people with all sorts of nutritional problems. is the food agency going to get behind this class divided food we have the problem of today? the noble lord raises an important issue. it is important to distinguish what the food agency is responsible for and what it is not responsible for. it is responsible for making sure food is responsible for making sure food is safe. nutritional value is
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another responsibility that goes to public health england. they have done things like reducing sugar content in food and drinks so that theseissues content in food and drinks so that these issues are dealt with. the government has promised a purge on plastics. but when environment ministers appeared in the commons, they were urged to speed up plans to charge people a deposit when they buy drinks in bottles and cans, what is known as a deposit return scheme, drs. obviously, littered plastic bottles very huge part of the problem. i would like to know when the government is going to take real action to be i know you have a consultation, but will the minister, it today to bring forward effective legislation as soon as possible for a return scheme for bottles of all sizes, including plastic bottles. —— commit. does she have approval from the secretary? we need something effective for tackling on the go consumption in particular. no other
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country has that problem. that is why it is taking us some time to make short legislation, if it is required, is put into place. —— sure. but we need to work out the details of. there is not much poetry ina details of. there is not much poetry in a thrown away plastic bottle, but things took a literary turn when they were talking about whether michael gove is responsible for policy, animal welfare, and banning electric shock collars for dogs and cats. some say they are cruel, and others say it can keep them out of danger. ts eliot said when a cat adopts you, you just have to put up with it until the wind changes. a cruel wind may be blowing for thousands of cat owners who put protective fencing in place to stop their much loved pets joining the hundreds of thousands that are killed on our roads why cars each
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year. will be secretary of state, a noted cat owner, stand beside friends of felines, or will he send ts eliot spinning in his grave along with many cats? thank you very much, mr speaker. with many cats? thank you very much, mrspeaker. i with many cats? thank you very much, mrspeaker. lam with many cats? thank you very much, mr speaker. i am grateful to my right honourable friend for raising cat welfare and invoking the spirit of the affiliate. he wrote a blues the coolest month. this april will not be a cruel month with animal cruelty. —— april is the coolest month. we want to make sure shock collars which cause animals paying is dealt with adequately. it raises an important point. fences can play an important point. fences can play an important point. fences can play an important part in making sure individual animals can roam free in the domestic environment in which they are loved and cared for. a numberof they are loved and cared for. a number of submissions have been made
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on this matter. my right honourable friend cares deeply about the welfare of domestic pets and other animals and he and others have made representations we are looking at very carefully. that exchange should be captured in a reusable bottle and preferably saved in one of our museums. the speakerjohn bercow shing all exchanges could be that six. —— wishing. that is it for now. —— succinct. join me when i will be chatting to three peeresses about women entering the house of lords for the first time. for now, from me, goodbye. hello there.
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it's been getting cooler day by day through this week and by the weekend, temperatures will be below the seasonal average, wet, cold and windy late on sunday. more on that in just a moment. we start friday on quite a chilly note, some areas a touch of frost in scotland but south, not quite as cold because we have this area of low pressure and outbreaks of rain. quite wet start across south—west england in towards south wales. the rain starting to push its way into northern and eastern parts of england as the morning wears on where as further north, it will start bright with plenty of sunshine. that rain will be in bands moving its way northwards across most of england and wales into the afternoon. a few drier interludes, quite strong winds across the channel through the channel islands for cornwall and the scilly isles, gusting up to 40mph. rain heavy into the afternoon. further north, the best of the sunshine in the far north of england and scotland. heavy showers. quite cool. temperatures of 9—13 celsius. certainly cool near the east coast. as we had through friday evening and overnight, the rain peters out. further north and west, you can see clear skies with another chilly night.
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welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is mike embley. our top story this hour: hand in hand, the leaders of north and south korea meet for the first summit between the two countries in more than a decade. kim jong—un becomes the first north korean leader to visit the south since the war ended 65 years ago. the two men are now locked in talks, with pyongyang's nuclear ambitions expected to top the agenda. an historic meeting is under way right now
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