hello, it's tuesday, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. today we'll bring you an investigation into a british far—right activist who's behind a militant christian organisation. our inquiry shows he's accused of stirring tensions in eastern europe. what is going on? the muslims have cleared out the christians. the first time in hundreds of years the muslims have... you can watch the full film at 9.15am and we'll be interviewing the british far—right activist at the heart of the investigation live at 9.30am. as sajid javid takes his seat at the cabinet table today as home secretary, we ask, if you were designing britain's immigration policy from scratch, what would you come up with? we will be speaking to the 25—year—old with asperger‘s who was forcibly removed from london's bfi cinema for laughing too much. hello.

welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. so, what do you think about the actions of the cinema who removed the woman with asperger‘s? do you or anyone in your family have autism? has anything like this ever happened to you? what should the cinema have done? we will talk about the story after 10am. you can use the hash tag, send us an 10am. you can use the hash tag, send us an e—mail, if you are texting, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today. the future of the iran nuclear deal is in doubt this morning after the israeli prime minister claimed his country had evidence that the iranian military were secretly planning to build nuclear weapons. the us said israel's claims were consistent with its own intelligence. but britain, france and germany have all pressed for the deal to be maintained. lebo diseko reports. binjamin netanyahu's message was clear. iran lied, big—time. he said iran's government deceived the international community when it

said it never wanted nuclear weapons, and he said israel had thousands of secret files and documents proving it. we can also prove that iran is secretly storing project amad material to use at a time of its choice to develop nuclear weapons. in 2015, iran agreed to curb what it has always maintained was a nuclear energy programme. in return, the us and five other international powers agreed to lift sanctions. the deal, passed under president 0bama, was hailed as historic. but israel has always doubted the intentions of its enemy, iran, and now it seems america's new leader does too. i've been saying that's happening. they're not sitting back idly. they're setting off missiles, which they say are for television purposes. i don't think so.

iran's foreign minister accused mr trump of jumping on old allegations in order to nix the deal. on a recent visit to israel, the us secretary of state said america was willing to do just that, if their concerns were not addressed — a threat mr trump has repeatedly made. and with less than two weeks before he must decide whether to reimpose sanctions on iran, many are questioning the timing of israel's announcement. lebo diseko, bbc news. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. good morning. thank you very much. one of the most senior figures in the catholic church, cardinal george pell, will stand trial on historical charges of sexual abuse in australia. he's the highest—ranking catholic to face such allegations. cardinal pell, who's 76 and a former archbishop of melbourne and sydney, pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him. the bbc‘s hywel griffith was following proceedings at melbourne magistrates‘ court, where cardinal pell received

a large police guard. until this time last year, he was the vatican treasurer, thought to be the vatican treasurer, thought to be the third most powerful figure within the catholic church. but he left rome and flew back to a strangely saying he wanted to clear his name against all the charges of historical sexual offences —— flew back to australia. the magistrate has listened carefully to the evidence dating back to his time as a priest in the 19705 and a5 evidence dating back to his time as a priest in the 19705 and as the archbishop of melbourne in the city. today she announced around half of the charges were dismissed including some of the more serious sexual a55ault ones, but for the other half of the charges, multiple accounts of historical sexual offences, he will face trial, he will go before the jury. he has already had to submit

his passport, he is not allowed to leave australia. the pope has said he will not comment on the case until it is over. new alcohol pricing laws come into force in scotland today targeting high strength spirits and ciders. the minimum price is now 50 pence per unit of alcohol, meaning a two—litre bottle of strong cider goes up from £4 to at least £11. but drinks with a lower alcohol percentage, like wine and beer, should stay around the same price. scotland's first minister nicola sturgeon has welcomed the move. all the evidence is that while it's not going to solve the problem on its own, without action that targets the affordability of alcohol, then we won't make the progress we need to see so this is an important day and one that many countries across the world are watching very closely. the international trade secretary, liam fox, is accusing the house of lords of seeking to block the will of the people following a series of brexit defeats suffered by the government.

the latest and most significant would enable parliament to send theresa may back to the negotiating table in brussels if mp5 did not like the brexit deal she had negotiated. i think there is an attempt by a group in the house of lords who were very strong on the remainer side to thwart our exit from the eu. and that cannot be acceptable. what happens if you fail to overturn this vote in the commons? well, we believe of course we will be able to do so, we will look at the amendments, and the house of commons will come to a few, but the principle is clear, the public voted to leave the eu, what do people not understand about the terms referendum, binary and democracy? the british public have had their say, given instruction to parliament, it is parliament's duty to carry it out. liam fox. a former environmental campaigner who had a sexual relationship with an undercover police officer is mounting a legal challenge to try to have him prosecuted. she's attempting to bring

a case against the head of the the crown prosecution service after it was decided that the officer, jim boyling, should not be charged with sexual offences or misconduct in a public office. he had relationships with two other women whilst he was undercover, and is currently suspended from the metropolitan police. our home affairs correspondent, june kelly, reports. august, 1996, the london traffic was halted by cycling protesters. they we re halted by cycling protesters. they were from an environmental group. among them was jim were from an environmental group. among them wasjim sutton, supposedly signed up to the cause, but in fact, a police spy gathering evidence on the activists. his real name isjim boyling and while he was undercover, he had relationships with three women. 0ne undercover, he had relationships with three women. one of them using the pseudonym monica is now fighting to have him prosecuted for misconduct in public office and sexual offences including rape.|j

was encouraged to be intimate and sexual with somebody who i would never ever have got involved with, ifi never ever have got involved with, if i had known who he was. i loved him, ina if i had known who he was. i loved him, in a way, i really felt strongly for him. he was one of scores of undercover officers deployed to spy on protest groups. many were from the met police. the force has apologised for the sexual relationships and it condemned them as abusive. monica's lawyer says her bogus boyfriend should be in the dock. this is a man who is a serial offender. he has had three long—term intimate sexual relationships with women using his undercover guys without any regard for those women and for the damage it will and has caused to each of those three women. no response from jim boyling's lawyers to the attempted prosecution and the cps said it could not comment because of the ongoing legal proceedings. june kelly, bbc news.

the actress ashleyjudd is suing the disgraced producer harvey weinstein, accusing him of blacklisting her from hollywood after she rejected his advances. missjudd, who was in the first group of women to accuse the film—maker of sexual misconduct last year, says weinstein spread baseless smears to stop her landing a role in the lord of the rings films. a spokesman for harvey weinstein denied the allegations and said he would launch a vigorous defence. a diet rich in oily fish could help delay the menopause by up to three years, according to new research. researchers found that eating too many carbohydrates could quicken the onset of the menopause but an extra day be serving of oily fish could delay it by more than three years. —— extra daily serving. that is a summary —— extra daily serving. that is a summary of the news. we will talk to terms on the second hour of the

programme, she has asperger‘s, she said she was forcibly removed from the bfi for laughing too much. 0n twitter, luke says, ifind it appalling the cinema removed this woman, i have asperger‘s, she was clearly enjoying the film, i hope it does not happen again. we will talk to the bfi cinema's head of inclusion as well. if you have asperger‘s, something like this has happened to you, let me know, what should the cinema have done? what about the other people in the cinema? you can e—mail us. you can message us on twitter, and there is whatsapp and facebook. sport. john is here. we have heard from the man trying to buy wembley stadium from the fa, he reckons he can save football in england, what does he mean? he feels it is a good deal and you would argue he would say that because he wants to buy wembley stadium, he was pointing out important things he feels, the sale of wembley stadium could one day pave the way for a world cup being

staged here, it could help england win the world cup, you might remember england have been passed with the lofty ambition of one—day winning the world cup by 2022, the fa's objective. also, much—needed funds to invest in grassroots football, £1 billion deal, £600 million going to the fa to be invested in grassroots football in england. the pakistani american billionaire reaffirming in the interview with the bbc this is a good deal, he feels, for english football. if you love english football, you want this to go ahead. it provides the money, it provides the revenue for grassroots football. and otherwise, how is the fa going to be able to do their mission? the thoughts of the billionaire talking to the bbc. what do the fa think about selling off the national

stadium? they have been fairly tight—lipped. fair to say, they would have got a sense of the public opinion when the news broke last week, a mixed reception to the plans to sell the deal, a good deal? wembley to sell the deal, a good deal? we m bley cost to sell the deal, a good deal? wembley cost £757 million to redevelop. £600 million going into grassroots, £400 million left over as part of the billion pounds deal coming from revenues, from staging national matches at the stadium, does it suggest good value for money? are they protecting the soul of english football, selling off the national stadium? will england be able to continue to play matches there in the future? 0ther save money is incredibly valuable, and did here yesterday from dan ashworth, the fa's technical director, saying england do not need a national stadium, their home is at st george '5 part, the huge investment where england train, play

a number of youth team matches, a lot of the teams are based there, they do not need a national stadium, this is what he had to say. this is really our home, the training base. we are talking about five games a year, as i have alluded to. it does not really affect the project for the england teams. grassroots football, if it is going to improve, then of course i would be a supporter of that. every single player, every single one of us, we started our careers in grassroots football. interesting, the first we have heard from the fa, but you can get a sense from what he is saying there that there was a feeling in there that there was a feeling in the fa they are very keen for the sale to go through. what do they mean by investing in grassroots football? that is the big thing. where is the money going to go? can the fa be trusted to invest it sensibly? we are talking about young boys and girls playing the game on the weekend and through the winter months, it is so difficult on grass,

perhaps investment on all—weather pitches that young children are using here, around £100 million is invested by the fa each year, half of it goes into grassroots football, you can see how significant a chunk of money this would be. also, in coaching, improving the number of coaches come in troupe, that in turn could see an improvement in the playing levels. that is what he is suggesting, in the long—term, it will benefit the national side. more from you throughout the morning. an investigation for this programme has found that a british far—right activist is behind a militant christian organisation which is part of a network in eastern europe spreading propaganda to the uk. jim dowson is a social media guru who founded the far right britain first and gained it a huge following on facebook. working with the balkan investigative reporting network, we've found mr dowson is now at the centre of an organisation called knights templar international

which has a very popular facebook page, a website and a tv channel based in serbia. simon cox reports. he's been singled out as britain's most influential far right activist by antiracism campaigners. jim dowson founded the nationalist group britain first although he left three years ago. its leaders were jailed for hate crimes earlier this year and he was banned from facebook. jim dowson himself has been banned from one european country for being a national security threat. we cleared all the stuff that the invaders had left but during the night this patrol found more stuff. so these people are still in these dense woods. he's at the of a militant christian group, knights templar international, based here in the uk, that's been sending military equipment to a volatile region. and we've seen evidence suggesting jim dowson is behind a network of websites targeting a british

audience which has made a lot of money. across all these pages there is 2.5 million people. so they've got more likes than the conservatives and labour combined? combined, basically, yes. speaking out against him and his sympathisers can be dangerous. translation: they referred to me as jo, meaning jo cox, the british mp who was murdered in broad daylight. serbia's capital, belgrade. jim dowson's new base. what is a notorious british activist doing here? i've arranged to meet a young far right activist. i only know his first name is philip. i've got a photo of him here withjim dowson. hopefully he's going to tell me a bit more

about what he's been up to here. the youth group generation identity is part of the flourishing far right seen here and philip is its leader. we are against the mass immigration, illegal immigration. basically we do not want to be replaced, to be bred out of existence in our own homelands. so that's our number one goal. and it seems he found a kindred spirit injim dowson and his ally, the former bnp leader nick griffin, when they'd been here. when you first met them, what did you think of them? what were they like? they were very pleasant, very friendly, very patriotic. they said they were interested in all of eastern europe because it's not overcrowded with immigrants. it's not just serbia, they visited poland many times, hungary, greece, serbia, bulgaria, and many more i think. he sastim dowson helped boost his group's social media presence,

gaining it thousands of facebook followers. so what else did he offer? their support, their support for the movement. goodwill. and motivation, motivation. and, of course, advice. every advice from them is really, really, really important to us. jim dowson denies providing the group any training but said he has worked for hundreds of organisations. his links in serbia, though, go much further, into the serbian government who welcomed him on a visit last year. this mp began questioning jim dowson's presence in serbia and his growing network, so placed a backlash, menacing graffiti appearing around belgrade and death threats. —— so faced a backlash. translation: they referred to me as jo, meaning jo cox,

the british mp who was murdered in broad daylight. this gives me the right to be seriously worried about my safety. she says these threats only stopped when she believes britain's secret service, mi6, intervened. translation: in my opinion, the moment when these threats stopped in this direct manner was following the meeting between the head of the british intelligence service and the president of the republic of serbia. it is only the last century before the ottomans were finally cleared out from europe. this isjim dowson on the ground in eastern europe in one of his many online videos, stirring tensions with a message of an impending clash between christians and muslims. these people have been fighting the ottomans and the islamic threat for well over 1000 years, continuous. much of this material is shared on facebook. a lot of it is produced in serbia, but in english, aimed at an audience here in britain.

we do have a british telephone number linked to this facebook page so it does make sense that most of the content would be directed towards a uk audience. despite its origins, much of it is not far right material but mainstream comment and hugely popular. across all these pages there is 2.5 million people. it's a huge number. much higher than the number of likers of many pages of, let's say, political structures, including the labour and conservative parties in the uk. have you been looking at the kind of people who are responding to this and liking it and sharing it? well, we found some 200 people working for different uk councils. we found over 150 people working for the nhs. we found teachers, we found nurses, we found sitting mp5, sitting meps, and literally all sorts of people. the most popular page is for knights

templar international international, a self—proclaimed militant christian group. but videos of muslims bring thousands of comments, many of them hateful. some of knights templar international‘s content has been used on a network of far right websites that run online adverts. so where did the money go? we made contact with a whistle—blower who worked forjim dowson. hi, my name is simon cox, i'm a journalist with the bbc. they showed us evidence that a network of websites earned over £100,000 from online adverts in 18 months, from google and others. the money went to a

single online wallet. a bank account currently registered for this wallet is a company run solely byjim dowson. although we don't know how long that has been the case. as well as creating online content, kti has a tv channel based in serbia. you're very welcome to another edition of knights templar international news. the kti hit the headlines in serbia... and thousands of members who have paid hundreds of thousands of pounds in fees. to find out what happens to this money, we travelled south from serbia to the tinderbox of kosovo. there are few visible reminders of the bloody ethnic conflict here. more than 10,000 people died after christian serb forces launched a campaign against albanian muslims in kosovo. nato stepped in, bombing serb targets. they're still here 20 years later, keeping the fragile peace between the albanians in the south and serbs in the north. andjim dowson has been in kosovo

too, stirring ethnic tensions with a call for military equipment to ward off an imminent muslim invasion. they need things, they need practical things like night—vision goggles. they need tactical vests. they need food supplies, they need ration packs, they need all of these things, all of these things to keep an eye on this. because this will kick off any moment. he says they don't need weapons here, it's awash with them. he visited several monasteries in kosovo where the knights templar had donated money. so we are in a monastery, we know this is somewhere where jim dowson came because we have this photo of him here, a picture just standing down here. and he is with a priest. so, i've seen he's in here, let's see if he'll have a chat with us. hi, father.

simon, bbc, hi, how are you? good to see you. it was just this one photo we were interested in, this photo here. you don't know these...? father, these people are far right activists from the uk. do you know who they are? you were with them. right, do you know, did they did a donation, father? —— did they give a donation? father, did they did a donation to the monastery?

—— did they give a donation to the monastery? he clearly didn't want to talk. he said that the people in the picture were tourists but they don't get many tourists like this, far right activists from the uk whose message is there's going to be a war between islam and christianity. hi, how are you doing? we head back to town to meet someone who knows the men in the photo. his part of a group called the order of the dragon. —— he is part. before we start, it's obvious he knows where i've been and why i'm here. and this link with the english friends you mentioned. i didn't mention any english friends. the nationalist groups. yes, right. i'm not saying that they are your friends. he chats but won't agree to a proper interview. thank you. we think we know why. his group have been linked

with military equipment sent to kosovo last year. this is their leader posing with it. and here's a video from knights templar international showing the equipment they sent, and a photo as well. look familiar? we visit the local police chief and show him the photos of some of the military equipment sent here. would that be something that would be of concern? this kind of equipment coming up here? yes. these kinds of vests, it looks like western. this would oblige us at least to act. their message is that they are preparing for this religious war between christianity and islam. is that the kind of message here that would worry you? sure, absolutely, yes. if we would have that information, police would initiate procedures against individuals for that. if you are spreading

that kind of message, could you be breaking the law here? definitely, yes. spreading this kind of wrong information with the intention, and those propaganda is especially here from the north could be misinterpreted in a split second. we just pulled up by this checkpoint and you do see a lot of these here. police making drivers get out, looking in their boot, looking for anything suspicious because just recently there was a politician shot dead not farfrom here in broad daylight. although the situation here is stable a lot of the time, it is still really tense. and that's why nato is still here, 20 years after the kosovo war. there are still people here crying for their dearest, the missing persons, on both sides, in

kosovo and in serbia. families that still don't know where their relatives are. and they know they are dead but their grief is still alive, of course. this is why i think tensions are still there. you obviously have units that are looking at what is going on here. if you were looking at the british activists we have been focusing on, i don't suppose you could tell us much, could you, anyway? of course i can't tell you anything but who needs to know, i'm sure they know. so whoever does need to know would know? yes. and we have discovered that nato's intelligence unit is monitoring jim dowson's activities. but it's back in serbia that he can operate freely, trying to create a network in eastern europe, spreading far

right propaganda to the uk that can be a platform for hatred. so do you think they see it as kind of a haven, eastern europe? yes, i think so, i think so. and they even said that they liked coming here just because they can see normal people. translation: i was a student in the 90s when the war began in this region and i remember very well what the messages were, the messages that led us into the war, and how volatile this region is. which is the danger of the messages from jim dowson and knights templar international, the organisation he claims to know little about but is far closer to him than he likes to admit. simon cox reporting.

let's speak now tojim dowson to give him an opportunity to respond to some of the allegations in simon cox's film. good morning, thank you for coming on the programme. why are you staring at tension in kosovo?|j think it is such a ludicrous assumption, there have been several civil war viewers. there has been a christian politician murdered the other week, they do not need me to stare at tension, if there is tension, it is a troubled zone. are you making it work? being involved in giving civilian people protective clothing like the bbc give to employees when they are going to dangerous places to save them from being killed by terrorists is not staring at tension is, i think the bbc has done a very shamefuljob in accusing me of stirring up tension. the balkans have been at war almost continuously for the last thousand

the areas this same ec-uiment in the areas this same equipment you choose to call military, protective clothing, vests, walkie—talkies. the phone masts have been taken down by terrorists. let us get this correct. you, the bbc, give the very same equipment to your employees to keep them safe. when we walk into a complex own... this is a conflict zone. it still is a war zone. —— when we walk into a conflict zone. did you have to smuggle in the equipment? there is no need to. i personally only got as far as belgrade because local people were doing it. but it is not as illegal. did you get it through customs?|j

did did you get it through customs?” did not personally do this, i only got as far as serbia. that is not what you told a us radio station. we took a huge consignment of bullet—proof took a huge consignment of bullet— proof vests took a huge consignment of bullet—proof vests and tactical equipment just bullet—proof vests and tactical equipmentjust a few months ago took kosovo which is quite hazardous, i was on thatjourney, i was on the convoy. as far as belgrade. i am not disputing it. let us not split hairs. i was on the convoy as far as belgrade. it went through customs in belgrade. it went through customs in belgrade. it went through customs in belgrade. it is not illegal. club doormen, they were protective vests, bbc staff do, i do not know why you are trying to make a big deal of something that if you went to the region, you would be issued with one. there is no war, who are you supplying the equipment to? people are being killed weekly. you need to do your research. look at who murdered the christian mp a few weeks ago. a family butchered

tending the fields. help me out, what does this mean, a quote to the us radio station injanuary, we do not need ak—47s, we need technology, that ak-47s not need ak—47s, we need technology, that ak—47s will come later. u nfortu nate that ak—47s will come later. unfortunate turn of phrase, it means very clearly it is a resignation that sadly the way europe is going, the ak—47s, they are here already, look at the bataclan theatre... look at the bataclan this the ak—47s, they are here already, look at the bataclan this is the balkans, they do not need armaments. iam not balkans, they do not need armaments. i am not in the business of... you said they would come later, the ak-47s. said they would come later, the ak—47s. the said they would come later, the ak-47s. the bbc said they would come later, the ak—47s. the bbc take three seconds of time... they are your words. it is confusing. it is a very bad turn of phrase, i apologise. what did you mean to say? i meant there is no

need for people to get worked up and think about pilate needs, we need technology, education, we need to produce news free from the bbc —— no need for people to get worked up and think about violent needs. u nfortu nate think about violent needs. unfortunate turn of phrase, i apologise, i accept it could lead to confusion. will you be taking ak-47s in? of course not. i reject violence. why are you taking in tactical vests, ration packs, violence. why are you taking in tacticalvests, ration packs, quote, they need these things to keep an eye on it because it will kick off at any moment? because of terrorists killing christians. it is an act of christian charity. that is not what the police in kosovo say. bay of the very people perpetrating some of the

atrocities. —— they are the very people. they reject that. they tell us that you may have broken the law by facilitating the equipment being brought into kosovo and spreading a message of imminent war between christianity and islam. they say spreading the wrong information could be misinterpreted in a split—second. could be misinterpreted in a split-second. last week, the albanians crossed the river... could a nswer albanians crossed the river... could answer the complaint from the police chief in kosovo, you may be breaking the law? i am asking about your actions and how you react to the police chief. why didn't they arrest me in kosovo? if it is illegal, go through the proper channels. the bbc ta ke through the proper channels. the bbc take in bullet—proof vests all over the world, why is the bbc not arrested? you were in kosovo? i have been there several times and not arrested. taking equipment? no, i

went to did well is because this water supply had been cut. this is what i did personally. let us get real. last week the opinion police crossed the river and arrested a top serbian official which the bbc reported on. does the money you make from online adverts across the network of websites fund the military equipment?” network of websites fund the military equipment? i do not make any money from ads and this was an rages... an anomalous source they do not exist. —— this was an outrageous... an anonymous source. i do not have any wallet with any money, wallet is a bitcoin term. we have spoken to other whistle—blower, and evidence of network of websites making money from online ads, all of the money goes into the same single

online wallet, the bank account registered is your company of which you are currently the sole director. this is nonsense. this guy spoke about £100,000 going into a single wallet, nonsense. the bank account currently registered for the wallet is your company. i do not believe it. it is a fact. you are the sole director. it would not be the first fa ct director. it would not be the first fact the bbc... you do not believe it, it is fact. the bbc says it is fa ct. it, it is fact. the bbc says it is fact. just as you said someone was poisoned by novichok which is a com plete poisoned by novichok which is a complete lie. are you the director of bright note? i would have to check. i am the director of many companies. any company i am a director has not received £100,000, rubbish. money from the online ads,

going into the same wallet. you have not denied it is a possibility because you have to check. whether you are a sole director. believe me, my wife would know if i had £100,000! how do you react to nato's intelligence unit monitoring you?” am sure they monitor many people. i am sure they monitor many people. i am not comfortable with it, i do not break any laws, it is an attempt to close down media websites i have helped because we speak against the narrative of people like the bbc, the mainstream media, riddled with left—wing liberal bias. the mainstream media, riddled with left-wing liberal bias. from the quotes i have read back to you particular from the interview you gave to the us radio station, from the clip we saw in the film appealing in kosovo for practical things like the night vision

goggles... to keep christians say. are you in denial of being at the heart of the organisation said in the military equipment?” heart of the organisation said in the military equipment? i do not know if you have missed the bombings, there is already a conflict and jim dowson did not cause it. the fact is, i hold no official position, i am not a director, within knights templar. your idea is to get them banned and anyone associated with me, the only narrative is the bbc, brexit is challenged, nobody... that is what it is all about. let us be honest. are you making tensions worse? absolutely not. it is an attempt to shut up normal people so when you attack brexit, no one is there to defend the will of the british people, that is what all of this programme is about. thank you. m essa g es programme is about. thank you. messages here, bear with me a second while i logged in. the far right

have grown in popularity stirring ill feeling and controversy throughout mainland europe, hate speech and tensions are rife and they have made it through to mainstream society, expanding and extreme ideological base we have found difficult to oppose. having fought neo—nazi politics in the uk, i guess it was only inevitable insidious racism and hatred and division would in the end become... a text, your reporter is naive, isis and al-qaeda have been waging war on christians and attacks are well documented. this horrid person is using the religious army spin to suckin using the religious army spin to suck in weak minded people into his cause and subverting them to the ha rd cause and subverting them to the hard right. an e—mail, i grew up in the same town as this bigot, he has hated everything and anything in his life, he is a loudmouth hate monger who should not be given an opportunity to spread more of his

usual bile. i'm to not let you respond? the last comment, the most hateful thing i have ever heard. nonsense. i'm fed up with anyone defending the rights of christians to be called a racist, what race are we talking about? i am a christian, i reject racism out of hand. thank you. you can hear more on this story on bbc radio 4 tonight. the invisible man of britain's far right at 8pm on bbc radio 4. coming up... no more cheap booze in scotland — as it becomes the first country in world to bring in minimum pricing for alcohol. the scottish government reckon it will cut consumption and save lives. we hear from a recovering alcoholic and the chief executive of alcohol focus scotland before 10 a former environmental campaigner who had a sexual relationship with an undercover police officer is mounting a legal challenge to try to have him prosecuted. she's attempting to bring a case against the head of the the crown prosecution service after it was decided that the officer, jim boyling,

should not be charged with sexual offences or misconduct in a public office. he had relationships with two other women whilst he was undercover, and is currently suspended from the metropolitan police. our home affairs correspondent, june kelly, spoke to the woman, who is known as monica. i was quite an intense person. i was very idealistic, very motivated. and i think sometimesjim was a bit, like, what's this person doing here? but i loved him in a way. i really felt strongly for him and ifelt like he had this kind of like needy way of looking at you. he was somebody whose job was to create an identity that could convince me and my friends that he was somebody that he wasn't, in order to know what was going on in environmental direct action group. but notjust to know what was going on, but to actually be involved in organising what we were doing at the highest

level for a number of years. i can never know what was going on inside his head. i don't think i ever will. at the time, i thought he had genuine feelings for me. i thought... but now, i look at that and i think, well, actually, this man was trained, he was a successful police officer working in a successful career, doing very well in his career, he had a lot of pride in that career, he was duping us all. fundamentally, i think it was just sex on lots of levels and to enhance his cover and as a perk of the job. monica talking to our home affairs correspondent. we will talk about minimum alcohol pricing in scotland at canadian. your views welcome on

that —— at10am. vulnerable women living in northern iraq's refugee camps are being taught how to sew by a british woman — skills which keep them off the dangerous streets of the refugee camp and allow them to make money for their families and children. paula horsfell has collected old sewing machines and transported them to iraq. she's also struck a deal with benetton to provide the finished garments for nonprofit sale, with proceeds going back to the women and charity. ben moore has this report in the refugee camps of northern iraq, where tens of thousands of families are fleeing the brutal conflicts, it is the women who hold a thread of hope. she can hold her head up high when she goes home. i am earning money so i can put food on the table, i can buy my children shoes. i have brought a sewing machine. behrka is home to 2000

families, who left their homes with nothing when the islamic state group overran nearby mosul. these women have lost husbands, fathers, brothers, and sons. if they haven't got a man to go out to work, or they haven't got a husband, they have to rely on humanitarian aid. they will have something to eat but, if they are earning money, they have a choice. women who already have some experience sewing can volunteer for the project. they come every day to this small room to learn how to make their skills commercially viable and are paid $100 a week. it has been a year since paula and her team set up

sewing hope in the camp. she is returning for the first time. it's not working at all. so, these machines have been overworked, they are done. we need new machines. the local kurdish cloth is a bit like tweed but much more hard wearing. and it has taken its toll on these donated machines. we are making bags. this material is made from sheep's wool in kurdistan. we take them back to the uk and the states and europe and we sell them and we bring the money back to the projects. this is more than an assembly line, it is an investment in women's lives. i can tell that the other younger girls, we have identified with each other when we got here. they wanted to get to know me, came straight over and were showing me their pictures of their lives. and, yes, it is very nice that we can still have a commonality in just being young women but also sewing as well.

half of all the refugees in these camps are children. so, the skills the women learn here are being passed down to the next generation. the charity relies on donations of old sewing machines. they are stored in its warehouse in the city of irbil. oh, wow, look at this! a metal chassis. although this is a vintage sewing machine, it will go on for ever. i love this. i'm really thrilled. now, sewing hope has a unique opportunity to expand. a globalfashion house have offered to stock our bags in their shops in the middle east, in the united arab emirates,

which is huge. so, what i need is more ladies, more sewing machines, because i need to get production levels up, to raise production levels. this camp on the road to mosul is home to 10,000 syrian refugees. and that number is growing. a second base here would be ideal. we are trying to replicate what we are doing at bahrka, but on a bigger scale because it is a bigger camp. so, we want more women working, more women being empowered. we want them to be making more bags so that we can increase the project into other camps. the man who runs the charity in iraq has first—hand experience of what it is like to work your way out of the camps. you have a real emotional tie,

don't you, to these ladies? i love these ladies. i think about them every day. i want them to know they are part of something bigger, that there are people outside the world they are forced to live in who think about them, who care about them, who want to create a future for them. that is part of our mission. so that they can create their own futures. scotland has become the first country in the world to bring in minimum unit pricing for alcohol sales. retailers must now ensure a unit of alcohol is not priced below 50p, in a government bid to reduce the high number of alcohol—related deaths. it means a bottle of wine can be sold forjust under £5 and four cans of 9% lager will costjust under £8. the scottish government claims it

will save around 400 lives over the next five years. let's talk to josh connolley. he says he became an alcoholic after his dad died from the condition when he was a child. former footballer christian roberts, who is a recovering alcoholic. thank you both for talking to us, good morning. josh, your dad died when you were nine, what do you recall from your childhood about his drinking? he was a chaotic influence on my life as a result of his drinking and his struggles as a whole, really. it was not always necessarily when he drank, it was the behaviours and the feelings and everything that came with it. it had a huge impact on my mental well—being as i was growing up. a huge impact on my mental well—being as i was growing upm what way? in lots of different ways. i felt quite what way? in lots of different ways. ifelt quite alone what way? in lots of different ways. i felt quite alone and did not feel

i could talk about it. we learned at school that people who drank too much are bad people, i had a perception of what people thought of me. so it was the secrecy and my self worth and my values were really low. i will ask you in a moment about how that influence the way you approach to alcohol. good morning, christian, thank you for coming on the programme. at the height of your addiction, how much, how often would you drink? i really don't like to put limits on, but it was daily, from one o'clock to 11 o'clock. units, ifi from one o'clock to 11 o'clock. units, if i was super unit on it or in cases of pints, you're looking anything past 12 to 14 pints a day -- if anything past 12 to 14 pints a day --if| anything past 12 to 14 pints a day —— if i was to put units on it. and into the night, whatever you could get your hands on. what impact was that having on you? crazily enough, idid not that having on you? crazily enough, i did not think it was having any. but when i went into treatment in

2006 i then understood exactly how and what i was doing myself. for to me, it wasjust i had to have it. i would never make an excuse for it or blame anybody, i take sole responsibility because it is myself, but it was a crazy way of trying to live, to be honest. would the cost have made any difference, whether a drink was 25p or £25? absolutely not, to be honest. i know we are talking today about minimum pricing on alcohol, but for me, i always find that if you put minimum prices, people will find that minimum price. especially listening to josh, i think the one route in trying to develop something as education, not to fear the conversation about a topic which is very important in

life. josh, in terms of your dad's influence, when it came to you trying alcohol, how did it influenced you? my self-worth was so low, i was naturally drawn to the escape of to me by alcohol. i became obsessive very, very quickly. a bit like christian says, there was no real education around the difficult conversations at school, nobody spoke about the reasons why somebody like me would want to escape. i don't think minimum pricing would have affected me at all in the way that i drank, but i think we need a cultural shift to start somewhere. maiga and that would be what? maybe this is the start in scotland with minimum pricing? i can see that being the beginning, i think we have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol with society as a whole. looking at how i drank, i do not

think it would have influenced me, but with better education and starting to look at things in a new way, i think we can begin to shift in the way we look at it and bring it into the open, bring difficult conversations into the open rather thanit conversations into the open rather than it being so close in secret. you say we have an unhealthy relationship with alcohol, christian, not everybody does, so they resent the minimum pricing because they think they are being punished when they drink sensibly? absolutely. whatever you do in society, you will never get 100% agreeing with one thing. there will bea agreeing with one thing. there will be a difference of opinion. that has to bea be a difference of opinion. that has to be a starter of shift of better, and something like a minimum pricing is only the start. it will not develop or cure overnight, but to

walk 1000 miles you have to take one step, one step, one step. i really think that is the way forward. introducing and eight, nine or ten—year conversation, that is so important in society. and i will bring in chief executive of alcohol focus scotland, alison douglas. you have come painfully slow the terriers, what difference will it make? in the first year alone, minimum unit pricing will save 60 lives. -- you have campaigned for this for two years. it will have an effect, that will build over time and we will see the full effect by year 20. can i read you an e-mail

from bob, minimum pricing for alcohol is a sign of a failed culture. i live in spain, in my village a large glass of wine is 1 euro, a reasonable bottle in the supermarket is 250 euros, a single brandy is a small lake in terms of volume and costs 2.5. euros i have validity of the six years and never seen a single drug spaniard. you can't price people to form a good price culture. you need to educate them, that is whatjosh has said. ps, iam them, that is whatjosh has said. ps, i am scottish. international evidence is really clear that price availability and marketing are the three key things driving consumption. we have different drinking patterns in scotland where we tend to binge drink, like our anglo—saxon neighbours. but the spanish do not tend to binge drink as much, but they are drinking per head of population at very high

levels. so will the minimum pricing attack binge drinking, do you think? minimum pricing has an effect on how much people are drinking. it will not stop them but it will encourage them to cut down. it is estimated that harmful and hazardous drinkers, the real target of this policy, will reduce alcohol consumption by an average 7%, enough to save hundreds of lives and to reduce the impact on thousands more people. briefly, because we're running out of time, lessons for year rates and year nines, conversations around this subject? a good idea? absolutely. i just needed a yes or no, because of the time. if you're watching on bbc two, in a moment there's coverage of the world snooker championship — so to continue watching our programme turn over to the bbc news channel.

the sun came up nice and early. a beautiful, sunny start to the day. for many, that is the scenario. we have a weather fronts in the west reducing some rain to the west of northern ireland and western scotland. through the day it will advance steadily eastwards the odd shower. the wind will strengthen across western scotland and the tab radu is generally, gusts of up to 40 mph. compared to yesterday when temperatures were just below six celsius in kent, it will feel much milder with a top temperature of 15. to the evening and overnight, the band of rain continues to push steadily eastwards with cloud building ahead. drying out withjust a few showers over western scotland

and also northern ireland, as a result it will not be as cold a night out last night. temperatures falling into mid single figures. tomorrow, starting with all the rain in eastern scotland, england and wales and it will progressively push eastwards. behind it, writing skies, sunshine, showers, the heaviest of which across parts of scotland and northern ireland with halo and thunder. temperatures down a touch on today. —— with hail and sudden death. —— with hail and thunder. hello, it's tuesday, it's 10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. an investigation by this programme into the british far—right activist behind a militant christian organisation — with members in the uk and abroad — shows he is accused of stirring tensions in eastern europe — he insists everything he does is legal. you said, we took a huge consignment of bullet—proof vests and equipment a few months ago to kosovo, which is quite hazardous, i was on the journey, i was on the convoy.”

quite hazardous, i was on the journey, i was on the convoy. i was on the convoy as far as belgrade. let us not split hairs, i was on the convoy let us not split hairs, i was on the co nvoy as let us not split hairs, i was on the convoy as far as belgrade. it went through customs in belgrade. no problem. it is not illegal. and coming up after 10.30am, i'll be speaking to the anti—racism group hope not hate, and the founder of an organisation that works in communities to reduce extremism. sajid javid is due to arrive at downing street to take his seat as home secretary at the cabinet table today, and we're asking, if you were designing britain's immigration policy from scratch, what would you come up with? and after a woman with asperger‘s syndrome was forcibly removed from the bfi cinema in london for laughing too much, we hearfrom the cinema goer and her mother about a lack of awareness around autism and how the situation should have been handled. many comments from you about that story. first, the bbc news so far today. thank you. good morning.

the future of the iran nuclear deal is in doubt after the israeli prime minister claimed his country had evidence that the iranian military were secretly planning to build nuclear weapons. binjamin neta nyahu presented to the media what he said was evidence of thousands of secret nuclear files. britain, france and germany have all pressed for the deal to be maintained but the us has backed israel's claims. amber rudd has spoken about her replacement as home secretary for the first time since she resigned on sunday evening. former communities secretary sajid javid was appointed to the post yesterday, after miss rudd stepped down saying she had inadvertently misled mp5 over targets for removing illegal immigrants. how do you feel about having had to quit as home secretary?” how do you feel about having had to quit as home secretary? i think sajid javid will be an excellent home secretary. do you feel as if you have fallen on theresa may's sword ? one of the most senior figures in the catholic church, cardinal george pell,

will stand trial on historical charges of sexual abuse in australia. he's the highest—ranking catholic to face such allegations. cardinal pell, who's 76 and a former archbishop of melbourne and sydney, pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him. new alcohol pricing laws come into force in scotland today targeting high strength spirits and ciders. the minimum price is now 50p per unit of alcohol, meaning a two—litre bottle of strong cider goes up from £4 to at least £11. but drinks with a lower alcohol percentage, like wine and beer, should stay around the same price. scotland's first minister, nicola sturgeon, has welcomed the move. the international trade secretary, liam fox, has accused the house of lords of seeking to block the will of the people, after a series of government defeats over brexit in the chamber. the latest and most significant would enable parliament to send theresa may back to the negotiating table in brussels, if mp5 didn't like the brexit deal she'd negotiated. i think there is an attempt by a group in the house of lords who were very strong on the remain

side to thwart our exit from the eu. and that cannot be acceptable. what happens if you fail to overturn this vote in the commons? well, we believe of course we will be able to do so, we will look at the amendments, and the house of commons will come to a view, but the principle is clear, the public voted to leave the eu, what do people not understand about the terms referendum, binary and democracy? the british public have had their say, given instruction to parliament, it is pa rliament‘s duty to carry it out. an environmental campaigner who says she was tricked into a sexual relationship with an undercover police officer is mounting a legal challenge to have him prosecuted. she is demanding the crown prosecution service overturn its decision not to charge the metropolitan police officer, jim boyling. dc boyling had relationships with two other women while he was undercover and is currently suspended from the metropolitan police. a new study suggests

that diet choices play a big part in accelarating or delaying the menopause. researchers at the university of leeds found that eating too many carbohydrates could quicken the onset of the menopause, but an extra daily serving of oily fish like mackerel or salmon could delay it by more than three years. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. thank you for your messages. we will talk to tamsin in the next half an hour about what happened regarding her being removed from the cinema. she says she was laughing too loudly, she has asperger‘s. david says, if a baby was crying in the cinema, you would expect the parent to ta ke cinema, you would expect the parent to take it into the four yay for awhile. helen, ithink to take it into the four yay for awhile. helen, i think we need to be tolera nt of awhile. helen, i think we need to be tolerant of people with and without special needs —— take it into the

foyer. we will also speak to a representative from the bfi. further details from shahid khan to plan to buy wembley. he has private assurances england will continue to play matches at the stadium —— he has given assurances. he has said it will provide £600 million for grassroots football. if you love english football, you want this to go ahead. it provides the money, provides a revenue for grassroots football. and otherwise, how is the fa going to be able to do their mission? fa have been fairly tight—lipped but they have made no secret of the importance the investment could have in boosting

participation and facilities in the english game, with the money able to provide all—weather pitches, additional coaches, and training at the entry—level to the game. speaking yesterday the fa's technical director suggested england does not necessarily need a national stadium, along their training centre in burton. this is really our home, the training base. we are talking about five games a year, as i have alluded to. it does not affect the project for the england team is, so if grassroots football is going to improve, of course, i would if grassroots football is going to improve, of course, iwould be if grassroots football is going to improve, of course, i would be a supporter of that. every single player, everyone of us, we started our careers in grassroots. they suggested that the. spurs beat watford last night after dele alli's opener, harry scored the second.

just three matches of the season remaining. fantastic to finish in the top four and be sure to play champions league next season, the most important thing. massive for the club. we are focusing on trying to win the games we have ahead, the next on saturday, win to be ready to compete. breaking news, graeme murty has left hisjob compete. breaking news, graeme murty has left his job as manager of rangers with three games remaining, he was going to leave at the end of the season, but he has stood down early following the thrashing by celtic. they are in talks about the manager next season. danielle waterman has announced international retirement. she played in four world cups helping england to take the title four years ago. she is the leading try scorer with 47 in 82 tests. the quarterfinals getting under way at the world snooker in

sheffield. let us hope we see shots like this, mark williams with little room for manoeuvre to pot the black, he beat robert milkins. coverage from the crucible getting under way now on bbc two and you can watch the matches on the bbc sport website. victoria is all the sport for now. if you were designing the uk's immigration policy from scratch, what would you come up with? as sajid javid takes his seat at the cabinet table for the first time today as home secretary, how will he change uk immigration policy? is it possible to get numbers down, as the conservatives promised, but also to treat people fairly? or is it inevitable with a deliberately hostile policy that the wrong people will sometimes be swept up, as those who came over from the caribbean decades ago have been? in a moment, we'll talk to people who know the home office and immigration inside out and ask them what they'd do. but first, let's have a look at current uk immigration.

for those living in the 27 eu countries, there is freedom of movement. this means that you can move to and work in the uk at any point without a visa. there are some restrictions — after three months, eu migrants must prove that they are working, a student, or have sufficient resources to support themselves and not be a burden on the benefits system. for those wanting to move to the uk from outside the eu, things are slightly more difficult. in order to work, you must apply for one of a variety of visas. these can range from tier 1, usually for investors and exceptional talent, to tier 5 visas for short—term voluntary and educational programmes. most visas come with conditions, including english language tests, the need for a sponsor, and an agreement not to claim benefits. in some cases, dependents, children and partners,

can join as well. for those who want to claim asylum, a safe haven from political or violent persecution, they must first reach the uk — this is why security has been so tight in calais, as people desperately try to cross the channel. once they have claimed asylum, they are supported by the government until their application is heard. after that, they might be given refugee status, allowed to stay for other reasons, or sent home. if you have been in the uk for at least five years without residing elsewhere, you can apply for british citizenship. to do so, you need to pass english language and knowledge tests, and be of good character. for those who breach the terms of their entry visas or simply overstay as tourists, they are breaking the law. although rules have been gradually introduced under labour and conservative governments, the recent hostile environment policy has aimed to make life in the uk more difficult for illegal immigrants. this has included reducing ability to access work, healthcare and housing.

let's talk now to the man who led the civil service while theresa may was home secretary. lord kerslake is in our westminster studio. here with me are two former home office ministers — norman baker, who was a lib dem minister in the last coaltion government, and fiona mactaggart who was in the department under the last labour government. also with us, fellow director at a race equality think tank, the runnymede trust. in a moment i'm going to ask you all, if you were designing an immigration policy for the uk from scratch what wld you come up with. what culture did theresa may preside over? fear, intimidation for the civil service in particular who were shouted at literally by the special advisers. not by her? no, she got a special adviser to deliver it. there was a fixed determination to reach

the conservatives' migration target which we thought as the lib dems was ludicrous because you cannot set a target if there are people coming in who are outside control but within the figures, it is like asking for a target for the number of days of sunshine, it is nonsensical. why did you fail to temper the policy? we did temper in a lot of ways. in the home office, there was one lib dem minister and one lib dem special adviser. so you did not manage to temper it? only two of you? we tempered it in terms of landlord checks, they wanted to make landlords into immigration officers. ending the dreadful business of sending children back home. we did have an impact. you have to understand the home office was dysfunctional, deeply unpleasant place, and coming from the department for transport, it was like moving from a sunny beach to

siberia, the home office culture was such there was a deliberate attempt by theresa may and her special adviser to keep the civil service firmly in control in terms of what was said and to keep the lib dems out of the picture. it was unlike any other part of government. fiona mactaggart, you are in the department under the last labour government, did you inherit their dysfunction? i think that the home office is not a well... it is not a happy bit of government. partly because it has been inefficient for a long time. if a bit of administration, the civil service, is not working well, it gets into a belief that things cannot work well. it is interesting, in your introduction, the one bit of immigration you did not refer to is the fact that if i was to marry

someone from overseas, i would have to prove that in the last 12 months, i had learnt over £18,500 in order for them to be able tojoin me. i had learnt over £18,500 in order for them to be able to join me. that isafair for them to be able to join me. that is a fair point, we have reported on that before. that is a fair point. having a means test on love, saying british people cannot be joined here by their families, one of the cruellest bits of the immigration system. we really do need to fix that bit. but kerslake, for the audience, to civil servants simply implement the policies of the masters, the politicians? no, they give advice on the implications of those policies, how they might work, the problems if they might work, the problems if they go ahead. but in the end, ministers decide and then civil serva nts ministers decide and then civil servants had to implement. they express servants had to implement. they ex press a servants had to implement. they express a view but the decision is ultimately with the minister to

decide. you were ahead of the civil service between 2012 and 2015, did you express any concerns about the hostile environment policy? we clearly gave advice, i gave advice to my ministers. i also run the department for communities and local government at that time. advice was certainly given. this is a really important point, if i can, these policies were hotly contested, they we re policies were hotly contested, they were not accepted in a straightforward manner during the time they were being developed. let me ask you all, omar, we are designing immigration system from scratch, live on national television in about five minutes, 0k, scratch, live on national television in about five minutes, ok, so bear with me! let's try! doctor omar khan from the runnymede trust, would you drop the hostile environment culture ? drop the hostile environment culture? yes, not simply the culture, and it is pleasing to hear sajid javid talking about dropping

back culture and rhetoric, though we need to drop the policies themselves. would you continue to focus on illegal immigrants? no. we obviously need to ensure the system has robustness and those people committing criminal offences are there, but we saw with windrush the notion of what an illegal is is quite wide and policy itself renders people illegal. the winter is case shows that people with legal status can fall foul of poor policy in cle m e nte can fall foul of poor policy in clemente should —— the windrush case shows. you hear politicians say a lot that it was not the intent for it to happen, but since 2013 we predicted these policies would disproportionately impact these people, and that is part of the reason the race relations act was passed. fog kersla ke

reason the race relations act was passed. fog kerslake talked about this, we cannot talk about integration of migrants or british values if we are not treating people fairly on the grounds of race. fiona, should be difficult for illegal immigrants to get a job, to get treatment on the nhs, to rent a flat? what you need is a proper policy which targets illegality. for example, i talked about family migration beforehand. one of the things that as a constituency mp i found was a number of women who had been cheated by their husbands, who had actually tricked women here into marrying them so they could migrate here, and the minute he got his indefinite leave to remain he is off after some other prearranged relationship. what the home office does at that moment is says to his

abandoned wife, nothing to do with you, this is now completely his case. we are not interested in what you have to save. in a case like that i think it would be possible to say that his cheating is obvious and he should be prosecuted for it, but i have never, ever seen the home office use the evidence of a woman cheated in that way in order to convict husband. norman baker, do you think we should continue to set targets for the removal of illegal immigrants? i don't, i think it is nonsensical, we do not know how many people are here illegally and if you have a target you try to meet it, you sometimes do that by having people swe pt sometimes do that by having people swept up who are not here illegally. this is a weekly document the home office produced internally, the uk immigration enforcement weekly demo,

it has a target for enforced re movals it has a target for enforced removals from the country. a target of how many people were arrested. if there is a target for having people arrested, they will arrest somebody to meet the target, weather they should be arrested or not. immigration policy has to be placed on the individual, weather the individual should or should not be here and secondly whether they are a value to the country are not. under the hostile environment created by theresa may in 2012 we stopped people coming in who were actually quite useful, like students and business people. we let in russian oligarchs with plenty of money, of course. lord kerslake, a number of people suggest that students should be excluded from migration figures, would you agree? completely, it is ridiculous they are included. we know from research that pretty much eve ryo ne know from research that pretty much everyone who comes here as a student goes back, it needs to happen and soon. and i agree entirely that these targets are arbitrary and

damaging in the way they are being used, they should be ended. we need a firm used, they should be ended. we need afirm and used, they should be ended. we need a firm and fair policy not driven by absurd to arbitrary targets. doctor can, should there be more emphasis on who the uk welcomes as a country rather than focusing on those we definitely do not want? —— dr khan, do you think? one of the things exposed in your lead—in is that it things exposed in your lead—in is thatitis things exposed in your lead—in is that it is difficult to be an immigrant in britain today. there have been effects of all migrants not just have been effects of all migrants notjust on have been effects of all migrants not just on the have been effects of all migrants notjust on the hostile environment but the migration target. we should focus more on the benefits that people bring, not just focus more on the benefits that people bring, notjust economic benefits. one of the reasons we have equal rights for black and minority ethnic people is because the windrush generation struggled to fight against workplace racism. those laws were only past 50 years ago today. the net migration target overall needs to be scrapped. this is bad

not simply for delivery, but telling the public we will implement a policy we know is an implementable erodes public trust further and we have an issue with public trust in terms of whether or not officials will implemented. having something which cannot be implemented as damaging for morale, damaging for people and damaging public trust. thank you all very much for coming on the programme. dr khan from the runnymede trust, it racial equality think tank, lord kerslake, who led the civil service when theresa may was home secretary, fiona mctaggart and norman baker, former ministers under different governments in the home office department. thank you all for coming on. still to come... the bfi has apologised after a woman with asperger‘s syndrome was removed from a screening for laughing too much, but is there a lack of awareness surrounding autism and how should the incident have been handled? we hear from those involved before 10:30am. the case of a terminally ill man

who wants the right to an assisted death is to be considered by the court of appeal. noel conway, who's 68 and has motor neurone disease, argues the current law breaches his human rights. our medical correspondent, fergus walsh, is at the court of appeal. fergus, just remind the audience about this case? noel conway is a retired lecturer from shropshire about this case? noel conway is a retired lecturerfrom shropshire who began this legal fight injanuary 20 17. he is fighting for the right, when he says life becomes unbearable, that he will be allowed to ask a doctor to give him a lethal dose of medication. any doctor who did that would fall foul of the 1961 suicide act, it would be punishable by up suicide act, it would be punishable by up to 14 years in prison. the nub of his arguments, and the nub of

arguments from names you may remember like debbie purdy, diane pretty, she also had motor neurone disease, tony nic maddinson, the same argument that will be used here is that the law breaches his human rights. it is a breach of his right toa rights. it is a breach of his right to a private life under the european convention of human rights. a number of people will remember that mp5 have already rejected the issue of assisted dying. that's right. judges interpret the law but parliament just about a mile away actually makes law, that was a real difficulty when noel conway's legal tea m difficulty when noel conway's legal team came here last year and their case was rejected, and the high court said parliament is entitled to set this moral line that there should be no assisted dying. but the court of appeal, which has already met to consider whether this appeal

should go ahead, says that the legal matters here are so important and the safeguards that mr conway's legal team are suggesting, which is somebody who should have less than six months to live, hk should be reviewed by a high courtjudge people should be of sound unsettled mind, those safeguards, at least legal side, need further examination. the case will go on for about three days, judgment will be reserved and there is already quite a large group of supporters of noel conway and those who are opposed to any change in the law, groups from christian groups, disability groups, who say the current law is there and essential to protect the vulnerable. thank you very much, fergus. a woman who has asperger‘s syndrome was forcibly removed from a screening of her favourite film by cinema security staff for laughing too much. tamsin parker had been watching western the good, the bad and the ugly at the british film institute in london on sunday.

let's talk now to tamsin and her mum, lydia, chris pike from the national autistic society, and from the bfi, jen smith. thank you all very much for coming on the programme. you are watching your favourite film, celebrating your favourite film, celebrating your 25th birthday, you were enjoying it. what happened? well... i was getting to a funny bit where one character was improvising... the actor was improvising, the character was playing around with gun parts in a sharp and i thought that was funny, and people started yelling at me to shut up. but i didn't, ijust

kept on laughing at what was funny. and what did you think as they were calling out, asking you to be quiet? i thought, just let me enjoy my film, dammit! and then what happened after that when it came to you being taken out of the cinema? well, the audience was laughing at something else. i laughed along with them, but it was sort of a fake laugh and i said, wait, it wasn't that funny. and that was the last straw, the bfi ‘s and that was the last straw, the bfi '5 staff came, they grabbed me by the arms and pulled me out of my seat without even giving me a chance to go back for my bag. and they pulled me towards the door. and people were applauding and jeering andi

people were applauding and jeering and i try to explain that i was autistic and a man shouted back, you're retarded! i thought i was being arrested, i didn't understand. how many members of staff? two. pulled you from your seat? two. once you were taken out, could you contact your mum, for example? only on messenger, there was no phone reception in the security office. what do you think about the way you are treated by the staff? well, it was very are treated by the staff? well, it was very rough. i don't see how this is news. i have been mistreated or my life. really? year. let me bring injan smith my life. really? year. let me bring in jan smith from my life. really? year. let me bring injan smith from the bfi, if i may. why did this happen? ——jen smith. we need to apologise unreservedly to tamsin for what happened to you. we are deeply, deeply sorry and are investigating thoroughly. we are so

sorry for the distress this has caused you and we are hoping to invite tamsin back to the bfi to enjoy a private screening of the good, the bad and the ugly, because we know it is her favourite film. cani we know it is her favourite film. can ijust we know it is her favourite film. can i just pause? we know it is her favourite film. can ijust pause? do you accept the apology? thank you for apologising. would you accept the invitation to go back to watch the film privately? i'm still weighing my options. that's ok, it's an open offer and it is for tamsin to decide whether she wants to take us up on that or not. we are also working with the national autistic society, so chris his heart —— chris and his colleagues are helping to increase training provision for stuff. that is since sunday? we appreciate your gesture. why did it happen? we have some basic inclusion training but what we had not put in place and

what we had not put in place and what we had not put in place and what we need to do is ensure we up scale and help people understand more about asperger's and autism. i think the bfi needs to be held to account. we got it absolutely wrong. we are not shirking responsibility. now we have a duty to go forwards, notjust to now we have a duty to go forwards, not just to apologise to tamsin is make it right for her but also to raise these issues more broadly about the discrimination tamsin talked about when she was speaking to you, about how she feels she has been mistreated. we need to use what we got robbed as a long—term catalyst to help people feel more included in cultural institutions. do you think she was mistreated by your staff? we are still investigating but it seems we had an inappropriate response and tamsin should have been able to enjoy the film, that is the message we want to put out clearly. lots of our staff are horrified by some of the audience reaction. last year i went to the bfi to see

another of my favourite films, seven samurai, iwas another of my favourite films, seven samurai, i was laughing throughout that, i did not get in trouble. tamsin wants to feel like she is a safe place and for her, going to see her favourite film, it has inspired her favourite film, it has inspired her artwork and a film she made herself, for her, it was supposed to be an enjoyable safe experience and instead it turned into a nightmare where she felt she was assaulted and humiliated. nobody can imagine what it is like. as tamsin says, she has been treated badly by people all of her life, people whojust been treated badly by people all of her life, people who just do been treated badly by people all of her life, people whojust do not understand autism and they think she is badly behaved or a bit too loud or may be a woman should not behave

like that. i think that is the wider issue that we are trying to address, people need to be aware of autism and it is a very wide spectrum and no two people on the spectrum are like, how do you educate the public? let me bring in chris. how do you do it? there are two separate problems. one is around the public's understanding of autism. we know the public does not really understand autism, not many people tell us that they think the public understand autism, we have a campaign, we want the public to respond differently so that when they see someone laughing, enjoying a film, they do notjump to think this person is being rowdy, but they think about what might be going on. the other side is about businesses needing to understand autism as part of their accessibility work, the area i work on is called the autism friendly

award, we trained staff, provide information on websites, and a whole variety of different aspects to try to make a business autism friendly because we know it makes the huge difference for autistic people and it can make the difference between being able to go to the cinema and being able to go to the cinema and being stuck indoors, so important we change it. some messages, luke said, i have asperger's, ifind it appalling that said removed the woman from the screening, she was clearly enjoying the movie, i hope this does not happen again. some of the messages on twitter after people initially heard your story, some of the people in the cinema, i am shaking with anger, that poor woman, just a little bit of empathy and everything would have been fine. such a naked intolerance in the middle of london, disgusting. someone else, shocking to witness the abuse she received full simply laughing and enjoying the film. it broke my heart —— for simply

laughing. someone else, please wish her a happy birthday from me, her excited woops before the film got me excited. can you guarantee this will not happen again? we will put everything in place, we are reviewing all of our procedures, we are horrified this happened on our premises, and we apologise again unreservedly to tamsin. thank you. thank you. this has been a very bizarre experience for me. go ahead. why? you do not think it is news to talk about it? you are saying you do not want to be known for being the woman who was thrown out of the cinema, you want to be known as an animator. and an artist. also, i was

not doing anything wrong. she has made a wonderful film about it and it was part of the competition, she was a finalist, 40 national autistic society —— was a finalist, 40 national autistic society — — for was a finalist, 40 national autistic society —— for the national autistic society. there were lots of wonderful films everyone should see. the national autistic society has done a lot to try to make people understand, through films, campaigns, we all have to support their efforts. tamsin who volunteers for the national autistic society, working hard, and... what she demonstrates is so many stereotypes about autistic people not being creative, there is a real passion for creativity, culture, and we see tamsin in this cinema room full of people, she is the most passionate, and we can start to make people understand how wonderful it can be to celebrate films and culture in

the same way autistic people do. thank you, all of you. why are people making a big deal out of this? all i wanted was to enjoy a film. that is why this is a bizarre experience for me. thank you for coming on the programme. we appreciate it. they lot of support out there for you as well. thank you. thank you, chris, from the national autistic society, jen, from the bfi. thank you for your messages. the latest news. the headlines now on bbc news. the future of the iran nuclear deal is in doubt after the israeli prime minister claimed his country had evidence that the iranian military were secretly planning to build nuclear weapons. binjamin neta nyahu presented to the media what he said was evidence of thousands of secret nuclear files. britain, france and germany have all pressed for the deal to be maintained, but the us has backed israel's claims. the international trade secretary, liam fox, has accused the house of lords of seeking to block the will of the people, after a series of government defeats

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businesswoman shahid khan says the sale of wembley will be good for english football, providing funds for grassroots football to enabling them to one day win the world cup. graeme murty has left his job as rangers manager — he was due to go at the end of the season but he's stepped down with three games remaining, following their 5—0 thrashing by celtic on sunday. after 15 years and 82 caps, england full back danielle waterman has announced her retirement from international rugby. she leaves as the red roses‘ top scorer, with 47 tries. and the quarterfinals are under way at the world snooker championship in sheffield — favourite ding jun—hui is trailing barry hawkins in the opening frame of their match. you can follow it all on the bbc sport website. this e—mail from adam, just watching your interview with the woman with asperger's, as someone with the same disability, i feel quite disappointed for her, am

aware the cinema staff decision to remove her was not taken easily, but at the end of the day, she should not have been treated that way. it is situations like this which further convinces me people do need more training in regards to autism and asperger's. an investigation for this programme has found a british rights activist is behind a militant christian organisations starring tensions in eastern europe. jim dowson founded the far right britain first and gained it a huge following on facebook. working with the balkan investigative reporting network, we found he is now at the centre of an organisation called knights templar international. jim dowson founded the nationalist group britain first, although he left three years ago. he has been banned from one european country for being

a national security threat. i'll speak very quietly, because the guys are on patrol looking for illegals. and i can tell you the dedication that these guys have got is very impressive. and the borders of europe are being protected more by these men than they are by our governments. he's at centre a militant christian group, knights it's part of a network targeting a british audience that's usually popular. across all these pages, there is 2.5 million people. it's a huge number, much higher than the number of likers of many major, let's say, political structures, including the labour and the conservative parties in the uk. much of this material is produced in serbia, but in english, aimed at an audience here in britain. jim dowson is at the heart of it. he's also been in kosovo, where serbs and albanians were at war,

stirring ethnic tensions with a call for military equipment to ward off an imminent muslim invasion. some of these brave volunteers, they need things, they need practical things, like night—vision goggles, they need tactical vests, they need food supplies, they need ration packs, they need all of these things, drones, they need all of these things to keep an eye on this. because this will kick off any moment. and the appeal worked, with equipment sent by knights templar international. the local police say this is worrying. this would oblige us as a police to act. their message is that they are preparing for this religious war between christianity and islam. is that the kind of message here that would worry you? sure, absolutely, yes. if we would have that information, police would initiate procedures against individuals for that. but it's in serbia that jim dowson is trying to build a network.

this mp has urged her government to take action. she is worried the m essa g es can whip up hatred. translation: i was a student in the ‘905 when the war began in this region. and i remember very well what the messages were, the messages that led us into the war and how volatile this region is. jim dowson says he has no official role with knights templar international, but from its start, he's been the front man. far closer to it than he likes to admit. earlier in the programme, i spoke tojim dowson. he denied stirring up tensions in the region and denied having any official role in the knights templar organisation. i don't know if you have missed the tube bombings and the manchester bombings, that was already a conflict and jim dowson and the

knights templar did not cause it. i hold no official position, i am not a director, i hold no official position within the knights templar. you want to get it banned so the only narrative the bbc... let's speak now to matthew collins from the anti—racist group, hope not hate. he became a leading expert on far—right hate groups in the uk having been an active member of the national front, the bnp and combat 18. and fiyaz mughal, who is the founder and director of faith matters, which works on reducing extremism. what do you make ofjim dowson's denials? jim dowson raised millions of pounds for the bnp and he denied he was a member, he denied he performed britain first but he raised thousands of pounds for them, lié‘edflwmn , . jig; dflwmn goes, . '“ dflwmn goes, is . is he is not doing anything illegal. he probably isn't. this - man who

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