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coming an n ‘ur in so m ‘u it we. fountains coming through the ground. it is explosive. overtime we have had fewer and fewer events and the events have become more stabilised of breakouts, lava flows heading to the water, that is what we have been used to. yesterday, the first fisscher for a long time used to. yesterday, the first fisscherfor a long time happened. in 2011 we had a quick event where the lava lakes dropped at the same time and we got what was known as a fisscher for a day or two. time and we got what was known as a fisscherfor a day or two. that time and we got what was known as a fisscher for a day or two. that was the last time we saw anything like this but this one seems like it is more serious. event itself has com pletely more serious. event itself has completely collapsed. it goes hundreds of the down into a giant chasm. it is a giant plumbing system 110w chasm. it is a giant plumbing system now so chasm. it is a giant plumbing system now so all of these things affect what happens. if everything goes underground it has to re—emerge somewhere and so right now, i believe that over the next 211 to 48
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hours believe that over the next 24 to 48 hours we will got to watch some serious fishers develop and then we will have a better idea about how the lava flow will develop. hello and welcome to our second look at what the the papers will be bringing us tomorrow. with me are ayesha hazarika, political commentator and evening standard columnist, and the former conservative minister nicola blackwood. we are concentrating on the local elections. we start off with everyone‘s a winner. elections. we start off with everyone's a winner. every party is celebrating that they didn't do as badly as they thought. labour have com pletely badly as they thought. labour have completely failed in the expectation
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management. they raised expectations that they would take westminster and others and didn't manage to do it. they are having to answer to their own party members for that campaign management failure. although they did manage to take lingmerth and managed to become the largest party in that. what it shows is the tories are doing well. —— trafford. the tories are doing well with older voters and lee's voters. labour in their comfort zone in the cities and younger voters. —— leave voters. we haven't moved much further than the general election. lib dems were on 16% and you can't extrapolate straight to a general election but it shows we are in stasis. labour
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and tories are both on roughly the same at 30%. and tories are both on roughly the same at 3096. the labour party made a big mistake in terms of how it managed its expectations. it was too muscular in how it pumped up all this fighting talk about sweeping london and taking all of these councils in london. did the labour party actually say that? labour party actually say that? labour party politician was saying it was the press who put the expectations too high. they get their expectations from somebody and usually that is labour press officer. i did it for many years and thatis officer. i did it for many years and that is what you do. when you are setting the strategy for these elections, you want to try to under promise and overdeliver. you don't wa nt promise and overdeliver. you don't want to do at the other way around.
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they made a strategic mistake because these councils in london we re always because these councils in london were always going to be very, very difficult to take. historical strong tory places but to be fair to the labour operation, it wasn't an entire disaster. in wandsworth which isa entire disaster. in wandsworth which is a flagship conservative council, they came with about 80 votes of taking it. let's turn to the times. they are dealing with an inquest. he brought up expectations. the front page also talk about the anti—semitism. page also talk about the anti-semitism. this scandal was a huge cloud over the labour party and they paid a heavy price particularly in barnet council where they had hoped to gain it. they would have had a good chance that there is a very, very big jewish community in that part of london. the leader of
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the labour group there said he had been doorknocking and there were labour supporters in tears over the anti—semitism issue. labour supporters in tears over the anti-semitism issue. i think it is also the lack of clarity and leadership. it kind of exposes the inexperience from jeremy corbyn. what about the conservatives? they have made a good start in improving the conservative campaign operation which was what really let the party down in the general election and random lewis —— brandon lewis deserves credit. there is a lot more work to be done. what is sitting on the prime minister's and government's desk now is making a clear success of the brexit negotiations and taking the country through that challenge. that is what the country is looking for. on the tory challenge, a problem for them is younger people and cities. housing. unless the conservatives
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can sharpen up their offer to young people, things like housing, debt, that will continue to be an issue. people, things like housing, debt, that will continue to be an issueli think as well that we absolutely have to move beyond the windrush scandal and the appointment of sajid javid, he will change the position oi'i javid, he will change the position on immigration but this has to be followed on immigration but this has to be followe d u p on immigration but this has to be followed up by real action. on immigration but this has to be followed up by real actionm on immigration but this has to be followed up by real action. it was a shame that the windrush transparency vote didn't go the right way and there are pockets of racism within there are pockets of racism within the conservative party. i hope they can rightly call at the labour party and they must tackle it within their own party. that's very quickly moved to the mail. i'm rushing you through. this is a shortened version. it is an indication of how
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brexit has to go as far as mrs may is concerned. a lot of people will ta ke is concerned. a lot of people will take away from this the message that it is an even stronger endorsement to the prime minister to have a strong that no compromise brexit but as we have just discussed, you can't end up with a party who is unelectable in the city so you have got to balance that. all of this is turning on the question of the customs union or the customs partnership and there is no obvious solution to that except especially with the irish border question in the mix and at the moment it seems the mix and at the moment it seems the technical questions with the customs partnership are not solved. a lot of the ukip vote collapsed and that went to the conservative party. that will take it across to having a harder brexit which will sturrock problems down the track. the name jacob rees—mogg. i'm sorry to rush
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you but it has been a busy night. thank you to you both. that's it for the papers. we have a news bulletin coming up at midnight. now it is time for newsnight. with emily maitlis. they thought they could take control, but they failed. labour plymouth. look at the overall picture, labour gained seats across the country. we have kept what we had but we have at the best results in some parts of london than ever before. it has been a brilliant night, the liberal democrats have a skip in their step this morning and i'm really pleased. it is a really good result and we are clearly the fourth party
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because ukip has disappeared. is everybody happy? the party leaders have been on the road, claiming victory, even when the results are mixed. i'm at the heart of the black country. the labour leader was asked if we had reached peak corbyn today, how will his cabinet answer that? will this change how the prime minister does her brexit? we askjojohnson, and our panel is here to pick out the winners from the losers and tell us what it all means. expectation management is an ingenious thing. were conservatives really worried labour was going to paint london red? did labour themselves really think it possible? in the end, it didn't happen — and labourfailed to make
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the breakthrough it had been hoping for. now the blame game about who started the rumour it ever would. certainly, labour gained ground in the capital, just not enough to create good headlines. they also lost control of derby and nuneaton and bedworth. but gained plymouth. conservatives should probably stop congratulating themselves on holding on to their bastions of blue — kensington, wandsworth and westminster. they lost trafford, in the north west, but did pick up barnet — the anti antisemitism vote. arguably, the night was won by the lib dems and the greens — who had their best local result in history. and it was definitely lost by ukip. their voters — lets just say — ‘went back to where they came from' — in terms of party allegiance. tonight, we aim to battle through the weeds and work out who is genuinely up and who is down. the projected national share —
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which extrapolates from local into a national picture shows the two main parties on 35% — labour marginally ahead. so perhaps the fairest picture is of a country in stasis. no overall control seems the most fitting description for britain itself. here's nick watt on the night and the day. if a week is a long time in politics then a must be an eternity, just over a year ago a cult developed around jeremy corbyn, as theresa may cut a lonely figure. now it is the prime minister who looks happier after the tories held off a labour surge in london and they benefited elsewhere from ukip's troubles. labour notched up some victories but it was a disappointing night with the two main parties level pegging nationally. with a rare bounce in her step theresa may popped up on a mini tour
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of london and the west midlands. a warm reception for theresa may in the heart of the black country, and if the tories can do well in urban areas of the west midlands they can start to rebuild their reputation as more of a national party. here they benefited from the collapse in the ukip vote but they will need to appeal far more wisely and deeper than that if they are going to regain their parliamentary majority. it has been a good performance but it is just a start, we still have work to do and we're not taking anything for granted. we have got to do the work to win back areas like trafford and plymouth but also regain seats from labour in london, where people did not think we would do so well, so this is just stage one. jeremy corbyn travelled to the land of drake in a city which has been known to reflect the national mood. ukip have collapsed
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across the country and we have gained plymouth and we have also put out our vote in places and gained wards in places we have never done before. but overall the labour performance fell well below the party's hopes and if they are to mount a serious challenge for government they should be making progress in the west midlands. we are incredibly disappointed to have lost some very hard—working labour councillors but now ourjob is to regroup and get on with thejob. i thinkjeremy corbyn is the leader of the labour party and he has been working really hard to get labour councillors elected and mps did incredibly well at the general election last year. people are mentioning it in the thousands of conversations i've had, yes, if you mention jeremy corbyn, and the overwhelming
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majority of people don't mention his leadership. overnight the tories won the main battle, managing expectations, so no major breakthrough for the main parties. but there were renewed signs of life for the liberal democrats who took control of richmond and kingston in decisive fashion. it is a gradual process, this is a process of recovery but i'm, don't that those people who wrote us off are now being proved to be wrong and we have demonstrated we can win and we can win in different parts of the country. so, was this the standstill election? these elections have proved a stalemate in many ways, there has not been a big shift in seats which you often get
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in local elections and that is in some ways better than the conservatives who have been in government for eight years, better for the liberal democrats who have been having a bad time in recent years, but the labour party will feel slightly disappointed by these results given they have got to show they are capable of winning in local elections in order to be convincing at the next general election. perceptions around leaders have been changed a bit by these elections but the fundamental assumptions underpinning our politics remains largely unchanged. and nick's back from the midlands and joins me now, who should be happiest? theresa may has been strengthened and weekend, strengthened because the conservatives have outperformed expectations but weakened because the tories success is in large part because of the collapse in the ukip vote and there are brexiteer tories in the cabinet who now feel emboldened to step up the pressure on the prime minister not to go ahead with her way of dealing with the customs relationship
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with eu and we can look at the front page of the daily mail. they are seizing on that. and thejeremy corbyn he has been either strengthened or weakened by these results, but what he does now face is questions about whether he has reached peak corbyn. thanks forjoining us. we'll discuss what all this means for labour in a moment with labour's leader in the lords. but first, local elections are all about local issues, until the party does better than expected and then suddenly they're about really big issues. today, the foreign secretary boris johnson took the result as an indication the party could push forward on its promise to cut free of a customs union. so what does this mean for the pm's brexit strategy, now? i asked jo johnson, the transport minister, if that worried him.
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the fact that vote share projections showed that the conservatives and labour were neck and neck. clearly this is a local election. a general election is fought on different issues often with different electorates. remember not all the people who vote in a local election can vote in a general election including significant numbers of eu nationals. so it's a different electorate. and is hard to read across too closely. what i think this does show is the very significant concerns aboutjeremy corbyn's leadership and that's why labour didn't make gains that they wanted to make in london. there were concerns about his failure to clamp down on anti—semitism. there were concerns about his equivocal response to the use of chemical weapons in syria and in salisbury. and all of that i think played an important part. as well as the strong conservative message about high quality local services delivered for low council taxes. do you think then that corbyn has stopped being a threat to the conservatives. well, i do think there are serious questions for the labour party aboutjeremy corbyn's leadership because i do think that's one
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of the reasons why labour didn't perform as well... so he's not really a threat anymore to your party? no one wants to be complacent. and the important thing is that the conservatives now knuckle down and deliver on the mandates that they've won across the country to deliver high quality services. keep council taxes low. and keep residents satisfied with the value for money that they're getting from high quality local authorities. so when you look at the ukip vote which has now collapsed, that's mainly gone to you. john curtis predicts that 70% of your voters are now leavers. essentially the harder wing of your party is now emboldened by these results. jacob rees—mogg was quoting thejohn curtis figure and saying, finally we can deliver the kind of brexit that we, ie he, envisages. the prime minister set out in her lancaster house speech and in her mansion house speech the path for brexit and we're working on.... the jacob rees—mogg's path for brexit now is what he feels can happen. and we're working on delivering a brexit that's in the national interest. yeah, but what does that mean? because we saw talks break down last week over the customs union direction.
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we know that brussels doesn't even like any of the things on the table. so once you've got this ukip vote and you've got people like jacob rees—mogg saying, "yep, that's going to be a hard brexit". "we can do that now". is that what we can expect? well, the prime minister has made huge progress since the start of the article 50 process, she's delivered the withdrawal phase. we're agreeing the transition phase. and now there is work under way on the future economic relationship. jo johnson, you are kidding yourself. nobody came out of that polling booth saying, "i'm really pleased with the way brexit negotiations are going". you cannot look yourself in the mirror and say what your government is doing now is absolutely great. can you? they haven't got anything done. well, the government is achieving a significant amount in a very compressed period of time. the prime minister has secured the withdrawal phase of the agreement. we have a political agreement now about the transition and the next stage is to put in place the future economic partnership. this is a result, this is an election that has told you there is stasis —
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that corbyn isn't moving forward, that the tories aren't moving forward. it is not an endorsement of anyone. it's a suggestion, if anything, that people are sick and don't know where to go to now. no, i don't think it shows that. what i think it shows is that labour's lost momentum — they didn't make the gains they wanted to make in london. the tories have gained seats and councils outside of london in a way that is really unusual at this stage of the political cycle. no one is denying that there are big issues ahead of us and that brexit is a complicated process. but the prime minister is working through it methodically. we've done the withdrawal. we've working on the transition and now we're on the future partnership. jo johnson, thank you. baroness smith is leader of the opposition in the lords — and the spokeswoman labour hq put up for interview this evening. very nice of you to be here. remembering sadiq khan's words, no corner of london where labour can't win.
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chris williamson said the easiest period to campaign for labour in my entire life. what went wrong? i don't think much went wrong. but not as much as we wanted to have gone right. wandsworth, 150 extra votes across the borough would have
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