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the date has been set for the historic summit between president donald trump and kim jong—un. historic summit between president donald trump and kimjong—un. they will meet on the 12th ofjune in singapore. just prior to that announcement, three americans being held in north korea were released. iran's president, hassan rouhani, has insisted that tehran does not want new tensions in the middle east. he was speaking hours after israel launched a wave of missile strikes against iranian military targets in syria. the uk government has apologised to a libyan dissident and his wife, after its actions contributed to their detention, transfer to libya and torture by colonel gaddafi's forces in 200a. theresa may said abdul hakim belhaj and fatima boudchar had suffered "appalling treatment". it's just after 2:30am. it's time for thursday in parliament.
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hello and welcome to the programme. coming up... the government apologises for the uk's part in the kidnap and torture of a libyan dissident and his wife14 years ago. on behalf of her majesty's government, i apologise unreservedly. we are profoundly sorry for the ordeal that you both suffered and our role in it. a cross—party group of mps says plans to overhaul children's mental health services in england "lack ambition". we predict that hundreds of thousands of young people will be left without the proper care that they need. and, claims that the government is using dirty tricks to stop a labour mp‘s bill on constituency boundaries. the government is trying to frustrate the democratic will of parliament and block the bill by procedure. but first, the government has apologised to a libyan dissident
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and his wife, following british actions in 2004 which contributed to their capture, transfer to libya, and torture by colonel gaddafi's regime. the prime minister said abdul hakim belhadj and fatima boudchar, who was pregnant at the time, had suffered "appalling treatment". mr belhadj was held for six years during which time, he says, he was tortured regularly. he also alleges he was questioned by british intelligence officers during his detention. the couple have fought a long legal battle over their claims. fatima boudchar was released shortly before giving birth. she was in westminster to hear the statement. the attorney—general read out the apology issued by the government. it is clear that you were both subjected to appalling treatment and that you suffered greatly. not least the affront to the dignity of mrs boudchar, who was pregnant at the time. the uk government believes your accounts. neither of you should have been treated in this way. the uk government's actions
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contributed to your detention, rendition, and suffering. the uk government shared information about you with its international partners. we should have done more to reduce the risk that you would be mistreated. we accept that this was a failing on our part. i of course agree, with the attorney general, that our security and intelligence services carry out great work in helping to make us all safe. but the rule of law must always be respected. must always be the guide of the actions of government. our security and intelligence services must be properly overseen. can he tell us whether the investigations into settling this claim have uncovered whether what happened here was part of the dark side of tony blair's deal in the desert with gaddafi in 2004?
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the attorney—general said he couldn't comment on the conduct of tony blair's government. but one conservative didn't feel the same constraint. has any apology been given, this morning, for mr blair for rendering an opponent of a murderous regime in the hands of that regime? i doubt if any apology has been given, any more than the apology over iraq. jeremy wright told mps that while mr belhaj hadn't asked for compensation, mrs bouchard would receive £500,000. but my constituents in kettering, frankly, will be stunned by the scale of the compensation, {0.5 million is a sum that they could never aspire to themselves. so i would like to know how that sum has been arrived at. he has my assurance that conscious as i am of the need to ensure that no further taxpayer money was spent that did not need to be.
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i would have needed to satisfy myself that compensation of this nature was appropriate. i don't again wish to go into the detail of what happened to mrs boudchar. she has said some of this herself and it is in the public domain. but i'm afraid that the necessity of compensating for what happened to her is, in my view, beyond doubt, and is part of the appropriate approach that the government needs to take. before we rush to congratulate ourselves on getting to this point, we must not lose sight of the fact that this case only came to light, because somebody happened to find papers in gaddafi's palace in the days following the collapse of that regime. surelyjustice should never rely on events as arbitrary and random as that. what we have done now is to do our best to resolve this case in a satisfactory fashion. but it is extremely difficult to do so. far better is to avoid these incidents occurring in the first place. and it is about system change and culture change that brings that about.
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the attorney—general. last december, the government announced plans to overhaul children's mental health care in england. its proposals would limit waiting time to four weeks and allow children to access mental health support in schools. but a cross—party report by mps has said the plans risk leaving hundreds of thousands without proper care. we welcome the green paper, but have serious concerns that it lacks ambition, as well as concerns about the very specific measures that it contains. it represents, mr deputy speaker, a huge missed opportunity. every honourable and right honourable member across this house will know that our mental health services are under enormous strain. the majority of children will not benefit from the government's proposals to roll out trailblazer of pilot schemes to tackle waiting time targets. these schemes will only affect a fifth or up to a quarter of the country, and not come
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into effect until between 2022—2023, that means that between three quarters and four fifths of children who need that extra support will simply not get it. we predict that hundreds of thoughts of young people will be left without the proper care that they need. can i, in particular, welcome her recommendation at paragraph 50? we recommend that the government commit to a full assessment over current transition arrangement between child and adult mental health services. it seems to me and my constituents in kettering, that too many young people are falling through the gaps at 18 and not receiving the services they need as they enter adult hood. the absence of a real focus on early years before children get to school, and the absence also of any real in—depth understanding of the impact of adverse experiences of trauma, abuse, neglect in early years, isjust a gaping hole. and would she agree with me that the government needs to,
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in a sense, go back to the drawing board? the under fives are completely absent from the government's plan. and yet we know that that's a time in a child's life that still determines their life chances and life outcomes, it's very much clearly a gaping hole that needs to be addressed. the government responded by saying it "completely rejected any suggestion" of a lack of ambition and was providing £300 million of additional funding and extra resources for schools. there's been a cross party call for a public inquiry into the way banks mistreated small and medium sized businesses. the restructuring division of royal bank of scotland has been accused of forcing many of the firms it was supposed to help out of business between 2008 and 2014. the bank has now set up a £400 million fund to help customers. mps were taking part in a backbench debate on banking misconduct. from its early inception, banking was engineered to become a focal hub of community engagement. there was a societal bond of trust, which was represented by the strong institutions on our high streets. and this, in recent years, has become synonymous more with mistrust and deceit.
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consumers right across the country have been let down, notjust by a few specific banks, but by an industry that has developed. and an industry that has become polluted with a toxic culture of misconduct. the regulator, the financial conduct authority, came in for criticism too. there are literally thousands of victims of this banking scandal. and these are victims, not of banks, but of bankers and their advisers who colluded with them. make no mistake about it, this has not been a golden era for british banking. and neither have the fca covered themselves in glory either. they have presided over ad hoc redress schemes, they are simply not fit for purpose. they have allowed banks to be judge, jury and executioner. this issue unites the house, there is complete agreement on both sides on the need for
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something to happen. and it seems to me that we've now been debating this for quite some time, and i don't really feel any sense of progress being made. i have — i'm afraid to say that i have lost confidence in the fca's ability to get to the bottom of the wrongdoing, the extreme wrongdoing that we witnessed across our banking sector. the time for talking about this is over. it is time for the government to take action. it is time for action to be put in place to ensure that all of our constituents can claim the redress that they should claim, and that all of the business practises that ensured that people's lives were devastated, are brought to light properly. the treasury minister said people had been badly let down and businesses should be compensated. but he said he wanted to wait for an investigation by the financial conduct authority before taking any further action. you're watching thursday in parliament with me, mandy baker. mps have called for a change
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in the law on compulsory seating at football grounds. following the hillsborough disaster, legislation was brought in forcing all football clubs in the top two divisions to only have seats in their stadiums. at culture questions, mps said it was time for a change. a growing number of clubs, as the minister knows, are calling for safe standing to be reviewed and reintroduced, does she think this should now be, not the matter of a blanket ban, but a matter for safety authorities and local authorities, and decided on a case—by—case basis? it is a bouyant time for football in teeside. with stockton town in the final and middlesboro in the championship playoffs.
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94% of the teeside football fans would like the choice of whether they sit or stand when they watch the match. so what advice has the minister taken from the sports ground safety authority about the safety of standing and seated areas? i'm a bournemouth supporter, and wouldn't the provision of safe standing discourage those people who insist on standing throughout the match in the seating areas, which is much more dangerous? a labour mp had a different view, and took the opportunity to congratulate his local team. the house will not be surprised if i stand today after a magnificent result. the way huddersfield drew with chelsea and we will not be relegated. is she aware that many of us have fought for years for family—friendly football, and some of us have deep reservation of standing areas, where possibly a lot of young men who like to shout and sometimes shout racist abuse. i'm not saying all of them do, but there is a real danger here and the wonderful man, owner of huddersfield town, has his reservations and so do i. before setting out the government's position, the minister couldn't resist talking teams too.
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mr speaker, as a tottenham fan, may i also congratulate huddersfield town on holding chelsea to a draw last night and helping us secure a champions league spot. mr speaker, the honourable gentleman is quite right that there has been significant change since the all seater stadia policy came in and spectators have evolved and actually more, it is a much more family—friendly place for people to go and watch football. however, that is not to say that we are not looking at ways that we can accommodate those who do wish to stand. but we don't have any plans at this particular moment to change the legislation. the sports minister was also challenged over the possible sale of wembley stadium to the american billionaire, shahid khan. he's thought to have offered around £900 million to buy the iconic north london ground from the fa. any deal to sell wembley stadium needs to benefit fans and grassroots football. we must ensure that fans are not priced out, which is why we on this side have called for ticket prices to be frozen
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for at least ten years and the current list of cup and playoff matches guaranteed. we want to see these clauses written into any deal to sell wembley stadium, will the minister back our recommendations? i have discussed this with the fa. i have secured a commitment from them that they will not increase costs for another five years above inflation, and we are looking at the issues around the wembley sale in close detail and i'm sure that these issues will be discussed. mps from all parties have accused the government of using a procedure to block bills from mps. so far, there has been no sign of the money resolution for a private members bill on constituency in england. the labourmp bill on constituency in england. the labour mp sponsoring that will last an urgent question to complain about
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the delay. i believe the actions of the government are deeply undemocratic. the private members bill on government constituency in my name is of fundamental constitutional importance and passes second reading unanimously. the government is trying to frustrate the democratic parliament and block the bill by procedure. i do not deny that my bill is controversial, but it is also reasonable. whatever arguments that can be made for or against it, should take place here between members and in front of the public, rather than in the back rooms of government office. there are a number of private members bills making their way through parliament as we speak. we continue to look at providing money resolutions for those bills that require them in a usual way, which is on a case—by—case basis. the financial initiative of the crown is a basic constitutional principle, which means that it is for the government of the day, to initiate financial resolutions. she faced criticism from conservative mps too. i agree with the points made by the honourable gentleman opposite. i think the government's behaviour
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is undemocratic and certainly it is in breach of the undertakings the government gave to the procedure committee. which were that, if a bill got a second reading then as night as day, it will be able to get a money resolution and the government would not abuse its power in the way that it is seeking to do at the moment. the refusal to give this money resolution just demonstrates the massive disrespect that this government has for a democratic arrangement of this house. withholding money resolutions like this is the lowest of the low, as a tactic to port democratic progress of bills that have been passed in this house. honourable members are trying to suggest that the government is unreasonably withholding on a permanent basis. what i have been absolutely clear about is money resolutions will be brought forward by the government on a case—by—case basis as necessary. what i have tried to explain is that the reason has not been brought forward, in order for this particular bill,
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is because the government has a manifesto commitment to consider the review by the boundaries commission for england. and we will then consider it the right timing for this money resolution bill. does she not accept how this will look to the people we represent, is that she is actually the cabinet's representative to the legislature? we need action on this and so many other private members bills. so that the people we represent are truly able to represent them on issues that matter to them. this is an abuse of parliament by this government. it does not like the bill so it's using a procedural tactic which breaks all convention. the leader of the house has been sent into the wicked, not only without a bat, but without pads and a helmet. i cannot say that the leader doesn't believe what she is saying. but if she was free from collective responsibility, i think she will be on our side.
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i would urge the leader at the business questions to follow to grant the money resolutions. the leader of the house. i would gently remind my honourable friend that he too stood on a manifesto that was committed to hearing the boundary commission reviews. no! i opposed it! i take the point, the honourable gentleman's comment that he opposed it is clearly on the record, and so it should be. but, the leader of the house is answering and she should be free to continue to do so. the leader of the house. my honourable friend stood on a manifesto that led to this government forming and it is quite clear that i have made it as clear
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as possible that once that recommendations have been considered, then we will be looking to bring forward that money resolutions. and andrea leadsom was back on her feet a few minutes later to answer business questions, the weekly session in which mps can ask for a debate on any subject they like. 0ne conservative hoped time would be found to debate the future of the speakerjohn bercow. mr speaker, given your manifesto commitment to go by the 22nd ofjune, can we have a debate in government time about what we want from a speaker, what type of speaker we want before we move to a secondary discussion about who we want to replace you? the leader of the house. i certainly think that, mr speaker, you have served this house for a very good number of years. and to the best way that you possibly can and i am grateful to you for that. and i am not sure a debate on the subject of my honourable friend suggests will
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be at all welcome. i will very gently say to the honourable gentleman, in terms which are very straightforward and which i know he will be fully able to understand, that after each general election, the proposition about the speaker returning to the chair is put. and it is then voted upon by the house. and the honourable gentleman will recall that i indicated my willingness to continue in the chair in june of last year. that proposition was put to the house and it was accepted unanimously. if the honourable gentleman had wanted to oppose it, he could have done but simply as a matter of fact, i'm not making any criticism nor favourable comment, but simply as a matter of fact i remind the house... that he did not. the government has been tackled over its response to a sharp rise in serious violence involving knives and guns.
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according to the office for national statistics knife crime rose by more than a 20 per cent in england and wales in 2017. firearms offences were up by 10%. a conservative raised a recent speech by president trump defending us gun laws. in it he criticised the level of knife crime in london, claiming one hospital was like a "war zone". the mp suggested that had not been helpful. following donald trump's speech to the national rifle association, will the solicitor—general agree with me that the streets of london would be far more dangerous for communities if criminals and gang members were armed with automatic weapons rather than knives? would he also agree that longer sentences are important, but we need to do more understand the underlying causes of knife crime and gun violence? my honourable friend is absolutely right in addressing the issue
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of the need to tackle the underlying reasons for knife crime. whether it be gangs or whether it be young people in isolation. i think that sort of work is far more valuable than attempt by the president of the united states to channel sean connery in the untouchables. thank you mr speaker, how can the minister alleviate concerns over the recent reports in the national press about the prevalence of knife crime in our towns and cities? what action is the government taking to co—ordinate an approach to these offences? my honourable friends speaks with a bitter and sad experience about the appalling case in his own constituency for which i send my condolences to everyone concerned. can i thank you for raising this issue, it is clear that in some of our towns and cities, that we are seeing a rise in the use of knives. some of it is as a result of better police work and increased reporting. but there is no doubt that we have a challenge to face, particularly with our young people. i am glad to say that the strategy that we have set out, not only talks about prosecution at the end, but also dealing with the root causes, such as teaching young people
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about the dangers of knife crime at appropriate times in the aftermath and indeed before such offences are committed. robert buckland. now, peers have argued that watching tv could help prevent children getting fat. there was a call for broadcasters, and the bbc in particular, to lead an over—arching campaign to halt the obesity crisis. a third of children under 15 are overweight or obese. a conservative had been watching "britain's fat fight" on bbc one. on a daily basis we seem to be getting reports which further prove that there is going to be a generation of children who are going to die ahead of their parents because of the scourge of childhood obesity and the bbc ought to be congratulated for commissioning hugh fearnley—whittingstall for his latest series which culminated last night in an uncomfortable episode for the government. hugh fearnley—whittingstall had struggled to have a conversation with the health secretary for england, jeremy hunt.
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we really do need an over arching major campaign and this must be focused on children and principally the bbc will be the organisation to lead it. so i hope discussions which are taking place will produce a very positive programme so that we will see that the 8 million children, many of whom have this serious problem and difficulties ahead, are given the assistance they can to get to better health and future. when you cook your meals from scratch, you know what's in them and you are more likely to stay healthy. so can he assure me that children learn to cook in schools notjust the theory of nutrition? and will he alsojoin me in encouraging the bbc to produce a cookery programme aimed at children? turning into the commissioner of children's programming shortly. i am trying to remember, there is actually a cbbc programme that encourages children to cook. which has gone completely out of my mind, the name of it, but it was popular with my children.
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a labour peer had some sound advice. having a good breakfast reduces appetite for the rest of the day and it has been shown quite clearly that an egg or two in the morning will actually cut down your appetite for the rest of the day. and shown to lose weight. one of the problems for children is that many of them do not get a good breakfast, is there anything that the government can do to encourage breakfast as a proper meal? it does good to show that these public health campaigns can be effective, i do remember the go to to work on an egg campaign although i had a banana myself. finally, a few days ago the labour mp for lewisham east heidi alexander announced she's standing down from the commons to work for the london mayor, sadiq khan, as the deputy mayor for transport. so labour requested a by—election, and here's how that simple question sounds in commons—speak. i beg to move that mr speaker, to issue his warrant to the clark of the crown to make out a new rate for the electing of a member to serve in this present parliament
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for the borough constituency in the room of heidi alexander. and the writ was duly moved. the by—election will take place on thursday 14th june. and that's all we've got time for. i'll be back on friday at 11pm for a round up of the whole week in parliament. but for now from me, mandy baker, goodbye. hello once again. let's bring you right up—to—date with how we see the next couple of days developing across the british isles and i have to say there is some uncertainty about how the weekend is exactly going to shape up.
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thursday was a very pleasant day indeed, came to a glorious end and indeed, for the many parts, was a glorious day, plenty of sunshine on offer. i hope you made the most of it, especially so if you are intending to spend friday across the western side of the british isles because looming not very far over the horizon is another set of weather fronts. notice too how those isobars begin to tighten up and that stronger wind will be there that we had across parts of scotland and indeed northern ireland as well. not a bad start to the day across central and eastern parts, quite a chilly one as well. some of the overnight temperatures, 1, 2, 3 degrees, something of that order. a bright enough start with the sunshine flooding through. that won't the case out towards the west where in the middle part of the afternoon, the first signs of the thicker cloud producing rain across the western isles and the western fringes of the mainland. some pleasant sunshine further to the east. the rain all over northern ireland, some of it really quite heavy at times and the rain becoming more of a present threat there across the western and southern parts of wales down
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havingbeen a ratherweak affairfi't—l at the momst; .. during saturday and then a great dry swathe and as you come back towards that area of low pressure, that'll throw some showers into parts of wales and the south—west, the odd one getting into northern ireland as well.
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here is saturday night on into sunday, it may well be the heavier parts of rain works its way up to the south—eastern quarter and runs along the line of the front and it may well become the dominant feature across a good part of scotland as we get into the latter part of sunday, then drier swathe and we come back to that raft of showers across the south—west.
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