kim jong—un. they will meet on the 12th ofjune in singapore. mr trump has been celebrating his diplomatic coup at a rally in indiana and the release of three americans detained in north korea, apparently as a goodwill gesture before the summit. iran's president has insisted that tehran does not want new tensions in the middle east. he was speaking hours after israel launched airstrikes against iranian military targets in syria, in response to iranian missiles. a libyan dissident who was kidnapped with the help of british security services and then tortured is to receive a formal apology and compensation from the government. prime minister theresa may said abdul hakim belhaj, and his wife fatima boudchar, suffered appalling treatment. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. welcome to hardtalk, i'm stephen

sackur. the next few months will do much to shape the future of zimbabwe. after almost four decades of robert mugabe's rule, the country is preparing for summer elections and, just maybe, a new political and economic era. the man in power and favourite to retain it is zanupf veteran emmerson mnangagwa. my my guest today is his most prominent challenger, nelson chamisa. new leader of the opposition movement for democratic change. so who is best placed to fix zimba bwe‘s deep—seated problems? nelson chamisa, welcome to hardtalk.

thank you, thank you very much. you're a0 years old, not so long ago you were the youngest zimbabwean parliamentarian, now you're about to challenge for the presidency of your country. you're clearly a man in a hurry but your critics think you're injusta hurry but your critics think you're injust a bit hurry but your critics think you're in just a bit too much hurry but your critics think you're injust a bit too much of hurry but your critics think you're in just a bit too much of a hurry but your critics think you're injust a bit too much of a hurry, do you understand that criticism? well, i'm a man on a mission, a man who is willing to change the face of politics, not just in who is willing to change the face of politics, notjust in zimbabwe but on the african continent. i'm a democrat, i'm a revolutionary, i believe in the transformational promise and this is why i'm willing to ta ke promise and this is why i'm willing to take up the challenge, no matter how big. talk about a man in a hurry because it was quite extraordinary what you did, yourformer leader of the movement for democratic change, morgan tsvangirai, died on the breed of iath after a long struggle with cancer. one day later you decided to

seize the interim leadership of the party much to the consternation of other party members. nature has a vacuum, after the death of the icon, the great revolutionaries of the african continent, the first in zimbabwe, we had to make sure within the confines of the party constitution we kick in to provide leadership because... there is such a thing as decency, respectful nurse for a a thing as decency, respectful nurse fora man a thing as decency, respectful nurse for a man who's just passed and for his family and for eight feeling the party as a whole needed a pause, and yet you wouldn't pause. there was a pause and yet what we did was within the constitution. to do it way after, in fact it was two weeks after, in fact it was two weeks after the demise of our president that we had to have the internal processes that then gave way to a democratic outcome in terms of who should then be leading the movement for democratic change. you make it all sounds so simple. the chronicle

newspaper in pull away, and pull away is of course a stronghold of the opposition in zimbabwe, the editorial in that paper said, we are in appalled by nelson chamisa's lust for power and his disrespect he is shown for his leader by angling for power for shown for his leader by angling for powerfor his position shown for his leader by angling for power for his position just a shown for his leader by angling for powerfor his positionjust a day after his death. they must be appalled because they are rooting for the ruling party, they support the ruling party, they would want to see the opposition in disarray and at sixes and sevens. we've not given them chance. what we want to have in zimbabwe is to have zimbabweans having a real chance to fight for democracy, to have an alternative, and to have the best of a new order. but there is disarray, that's the problem, there's disarray because at the time of his death morgan tsvangirai had three different deputies, of whom you were one, but one of the others, who was a long—standing vice president of the party, she was so infuriated by your

grabfor party, she was so infuriated by your grab for the party, she was so infuriated by your grabforthe rains party, she was so infuriated by your grab for the rains of power that she refused to accepted and now she's running as an alternative mdc leader with her own team, her own platform, a determination to destroy you. the beauty of democracy is that we must have the more, the merrier and the fa ct have the more, the merrier and the fact she has decided to walk away is actually something that is reg retta ble actually something that is regrettable but something that has not shaken the base. you say we wa nted not shaken the base. you say we wanted to avoid disarray, you haven't avoided disarray, have you? in fact, you've made the chaos inside your party something of a standing joke. you go across the whole country in zimbabwe, the mood is just electric. the electricity, the momentum is unbelievable. we will talk about that, your message and how it's being received in the country but let's for a moment longer stick with the politics of your party. you say it was all constitutional, we did it by the book. indeed. i doubt constitutional, we did it by the book. indeed. idoubt there's constitutional, we did it by the book. indeed. i doubt there's any

rulebook in your party that suggests young thugs should physically intimidate people inside your party that have a different view of who should be leader, but that's what's been happening. we have had challenges and i must say the challenges and i must say the challenges are as a result of the dna, the divorce setting and the politics of our country where violence has been a major issue. you're supposed to be different? violence has been a major issue. you're supposed to be different7m fa ct you're supposed to be different7m fact this is what i'm dealing with asa fact this is what i'm dealing with as a new leader and a new phase. fact this is what i'm dealing with as a new leader and a new phasem you're dealing with it then tell me what's happened to these young men who surrounded thokozani khuphe in the same village at the funeral of morgan tsvangirai, she was bought to ta ke morgan tsvangirai, she was bought to take shelter in a hut and as the locals aborting suggests, there were young men who tried to set that at a light and as far as she was concerned it was an attempt on her life and these people responsible for that action were supporters of yours. all of those people were identified because everything was under a video camera have been dealt with. we've said we're not going to

have bad apples affecting the basket of good apples of democrats. we're not going to accepted any violent element within our midst. this has been... forgive me, but the bad apples still seem to be in the basket. you said you've dealt with them, that was in february, on the fourth of march in bulawayo, miss khuphe's supporters were again attacked at a meeting that she was speaking at. this was a different meeting altogether, different geographical setting altogether.m the bad apples are still there. there was a investigation to deal with those issues and we said let's make sure moving forward within our midst and we don't want people who thrive on violence. for the past 18 yea rs thrive on violence. for the past 18 years we've been on the receiving end of state—sponsored violence. i myself am a victim of that violence, nearly left four dead several times at the airport, in the various circumstances. but i've said, we cannot use violence to do this

politics. the danger is some of your supporters have picked up habits, perhaps even tips, from the way in which zanu-pf perhaps even tips, from the way in which zanu—pf and mugabe's people ran in zimbabwe for so many years. in other words, there are bad habits that have been formed in zimbabwe and your party seems to have taken some of them on—board yourself?” can tell you the movement for democratic change is a happy family of democrats. all the elements who wa nt to of democrats. all the elements who want to use violence to disrupt politics have been dealt with and shall be dealt with. use adele with, that's a broad term, be specific, what's happened, have they been expeued what's happened, have they been expelled from the party, faced justice, have they been in court? —— you said dealt with. they have been chucked out, and we have use the courts to help with that, as they did in bulawayo, and the police didn't do anything about it, and they were the ones is courting the collea g u es they were the ones is courting the colleagues affected. let's talk a

little bit about the legacy of robert mugabe before we get into the electron, policy platforms and your rivalry with mr men and gag work for the presidency —— collection. robert mugabe is now in retirement. he's living in a rather grand house with greys and not being bothered by anyone. you describe the treatment you receive from his zanu—pf and security officials during your political career, do you want robert mugabe to face a court, do you want him to face justice? i must say mr mugabe is passed of our past, part of the old order, and i have no time for us to be pursuing the past, to be pursuing the old order. our challenge going forward to is to make sure we resolve fundamental deep structural issues affecting our society. of course deep structural

issues, including surely an accounting for terrible violence. the killings were thousands and thousands of people were rounded up and many were killed. wouldn't zimbabwe be a healthier society if people were held to account for what happened? indeed they have to account. part of what i'm going to do under my new administration starting injuly do under my new administration starting in july after the election is to institute a truth, forgiveness, reconciliation and compensation programme across the whole country to look at our chequered past, to investigate it, to be truthful about it and to be humble about it so we create a new chapter going forward based on peace, based on reconciliation, but also more more importantly based on nationbuilding. people in zimbabwe will want to know what that means. there are serious allegations for example floating around the country about missing billions, revenues from the diamond industry that appeared to have gone missing off

the government balance sheet, and frankly given the way power works in zimbabwe for so many years the buck would appear to have stopped at robert and grace mugabe's door. people want to know, are you prepared to take robert and grace mugabe into a court room? prepared to take robert and grace mugabe into a court room7m prepared to take robert and grace mugabe into a court room? if i'm to be given the chance to drive the vehicle called zimbabwe into a new dispensation, i cannot be that driver who is driving looking in the rea rview driver who is driving looking in the rearview mirror. the past is important but the past will not arrest us. i take that as a no. yes. robert and grace mugabe can rest easy? let's look at robert mugabe's contributions, omissions and... of course we need to make sure those affected a re course we need to make sure those affected are compensated so that this proper national healing can happen. i suppose nobody would dispute that what zimbabwe needs is mature, responsible, wisely the ship. indeed. would it not be true to say in the months he's had power,

emmerson mnangagwa has exhibited all of those qualities —— leadership. he set upa of those qualities —— leadership. he set up a truth and reconciliation commission. he's assured the process of establishing the rules and para meters of establishing the rules and parameters of an election are already in place. ballot papers have been printed. has assured the international community it will be free and fairand international community it will be free and fair and invited the eu and commonwealth and others to send monitors. all of that you welcome, i would imagine? we don't, in fact there's a dispute around the manner these elections are being manned in preparation. we're not in agreement about who prints the ballot paper and where the ballot paper is going to be, the security of the ballot paper, its distribution, and this is three months before the election and we are not in agreement about the role that should be played by important and esteemed security forces. you do sound partisan,

defensive and maybe even alarmist. on looking at independent analysts, the director of the mass public opinion institute in harare, he said, a direct quote," this election looks likely to be the freest, there is an possibly most peaceful since 2000". he's saying it looks like, it's his opinion, and this is the beauty of a democracy. when you have a diversity of opinions, that is his view. our view is this election has the potential to be a free and fair election but we need to resolve some of the fundamental issues around how the election itself is going to be conducted, whether or not the voters form has been audited, whether or not the processes that are supposed to be stuck to, therefore the electoral amendment of the electoral act are stuck to. in parliament yesterday we didn't agree on the content, character and substance of the electoral act. the reason i talk

about wisdom, responsibility and maturity, clearly in zimbabwe political temperature can write breed quickly, as we've seen in the past, it seems you and one of your associates in the opposition have been stoking in recent days. he said u nless we been stoking in recent days. he said unless we get a clear commitment from the secure of craps, by which i think he means the zanu—pf military nexus, unless we get clear commitments from them that they won't interfere, the he commitments from them that they won't interfe a, the he commitments from them that they won't going a, the he commitments from them that they won't going to the he the commitments from them that they won't going to ttemperatures. i the commitments from them that they won't going to ttemperaturéifg to l the new far? the issue, if able to

a ble to let able to let us how the election i going agree on how the election is going to be held. wisdom is not when you destroy a country or have problems that we are currently having, economic mismanagement, corruption like the one we have seen in terms of the ao a's in zimbabwe. where there's been massive corruption under the tutelage and judicious of president emmerson mnangagwa. emmerson mnangagwa has a record, and his record is as soon as he got the man ,

the man is 5 are“ delivering on a actually delivering on a transformation. we are the change that delivers. mr emmerson mnangagwa does not deliver. he got what he wanted, change without change. he represented the face of the old. why are governments like the uk government reaching out to emma lee and saying that he is proving to be a good leader? they reach out to the people of zimbabwe. they say this. you cannot have transformation without transform and is. mr emmerson mnangagwa is not a transformer. what he is, he is a transactional leader who has transactional leader who has transaction a particular process and he is there, not as the face of transformation. we represent that changed. ukip telling me you represent change and i guess that is an attractive slogan for many people in your country. but there is a difference between making promises

you can keep and promises that are nothing more than fantasy. let's go through a view of yours. injanuary he told the people of your country that you could solve zimbabwe's liquidity crisis in two weeks and if you failed to do so, you would leave office because you said you are committed. two weeks to solve the liquidity crisis. that is nonsense. it is not nonsense. it is sensible. that is the most credible message ever received by zimbabweans. why? the most fundamental issue in zimbabwe is not a crisis of cash. it isa zimbabwe is not a crisis of cash. it is a crisis of leadership. a crisis and to do this to make deficit of trust. we will deal with productivity, issues of transfer, but, with respect, politicians who say they can fix a country that —— problem that has been building a country for years, fix it in two weeks, that sounds silly. when i was

the minister, meeting with my collea g u es the minister, meeting with my colleagues in the leaders of finance, we fix this problem in four days. there was cash across the board in all the banks. it is not merely a question of political promises. we can be trusted. we can deliver. it reminds me of the promise you made to party supporters saying that you will build a bullet train to curare. you said that this would enable people to travel from one city to another and 35 minutes. that is beyond nonsense. that is alice in wonderland. that is the future. i'm a visionary. i am a young man. and i said, we must begin to build infrastructure, such as what we see in the uk. i.e. iam now transport ex —— expert that that

distances over a00 kilometres. will your train travel at 800 kilometres an hour? the fastest in the world cannot top a00 kilometres an hour at the moment so i don't know where you find this strained. i was emphasising point of modern transportation. morocco recently built a bullet train. these are the kind of... by zimbabweans surely wa nt kind of... by zimbabweans surely want politicians who are serious. who tell them things and make promises that can be delivered. patiently that promise can not be delivered. the one promise that you could deliver on, if you wanted to, but would not be wise. a few days ago you said that you were going to throw out the chinese investors and workers currently in zimbabwe. you said that you will call the chinese and tell them that the deals they

signed are unacceptable and they should return to their country. would that be good for zimbabwe? our transformational promise is a must to an infrastructure. but the chinese have delivered airports, they have delivered roads, clean water and sanitation... you want to throw them out? i have not said i will throw everyone now. i said that all the deals that have been signed have to be reviewed, have to be assessed and audited in the context of what is good for zimbabwe. what is best for the country. what is safe and to a position has nothing to do with nationality. we have business to do with all serious

investors in china but it is about credibility. is an policies, do you actually you are striking the right balance between populism and credibility? credibility is very high. they want to vote for us did they believe in our message and know that what we are promising is not something beyond our reach. we have promised an inclusive government dealt with issues connectivity and wi—fi. bringing infibre—optic ca bles wi—fi. bringing infibre—optic cables into the country. i am not the sort of guy who will say anything. iam the sort of guy who will say anything. i am in the digital age, and these things i say it will be delivered. they are viable. we have public private agreements ready to put in place to make sure we deliver on transportation, water and on communication. you say you are serious and credible and that is measured not just serious and credible and that is measured notjust inside zimbabwe but around the world. at the end of last year you went to washington, dc and many serious questions were raised about your behaviour. you saw

some senior people on capital hill. you also claimed that you saw donald trump. you claimed you had a conversation with him in which he asked you how much you needed to move the country forward and you told him $15 billion and he said that he would provide the money if you won the election. that was not true, was it? in terms of our reconstruction programme, according to the african development bank... no, what i mean it was not true that you had seen donald trump and that he indicated to you that he would provide $15 billion. there is a video which shows you at a rally in january back home in zimbabwe are saying that donald trump had promised $15 billion.” saying that donald trump had promised $15 billion. i said we met the trump administration. so to be clear, some people are still confused, you now say you did not meet donald trump? no. we met the administration. that is what i meant. the white house was so

irritated by what you did say that theyissued irritated by what you did say that they issued a statement saying that they issued a statement saying that they never support individuals or political parties. i know that is correct. that is what they said. and i agree with their position. it is support to the government of the day. when we form the next government, the things we say we wa nt to government, the things we say we want to see in place. did you see the americans —— tell the americans you are want sanctions remain in place until after the elections. as m, place until after the elections. as in, that you want them to remain as long as emmerson mnangagwa was in power? or do you want them lifted as soon as possible? sanctions are not good for the country but we need to have good governance and observe human rights within our own country. so that we can be admitted as respectable players. emmerson mnangagwa has all of the instruments of power at his disposal. he has the

backing of the ruling zanu—pf party and the machine that goes with that. he will win this election, won't he? you are putting up a strong fight but he will win. he will lose this election. i don't know where you get that from. i get a feel from talking to people in zimbabwe that zanu—pf, because of robert and grace mugabe, they still command the loyalty of they still command the loyalty of the people of zimbabwe. but mr mugabe is not emmerson mnangagwa. emmerson mnangagwa is coming in with a fractured party. he has his own pa rt a fractured party. he has his own part but he will not win this election. i will defeat emmerson mnangagwa in this election. this is crucial. it is old versus new. an election between the bad versus the good. ican election between the bad versus the good. i can tell you that the next time you invite me here, i will be leading the people of zimbabwe. we

will see what happens next. nelson kamel, thank you for being an hardtalk. -- kamel, thank you for being an hardtalk. —— nelson chamisa. hello once again. let's bring you right up—to—date with how we see the next couple of days developing across the british isles and i have to say there is some uncertainty about how the weekend is exactly going to shape up. thursday was a very pleasant day indeed, came to a glorious end and, indeed, for the many parts, was a glorious day, plenty of sunshine on offer. i hope you made the most of it, especially so if you're intending to spend friday across the western

side of the british isles because looming not very far over the horizon is another set of weather fronts. notice too how those isobars begin to tighten up and that stronger wind will be there to be had across parts of scotland and indeed northern ireland as well. not a bad start to the day across central and eastern parts, quite a chilly one as well. some of the overnight temperatures will be down one, two, three degrees, something of that order. a bright enough start with the sunshine flooding through. that won't the case out out towards the west where in the middle part of the afternoon, we find the first signs of the thicker cloud producing rain across the western isles and the western fringes of the mainland. still some pleasant sunshine further to the east. the rain all over northern ireland, some of it really quite heavy at times and the rain becoming more of a present threat there across the western and southern parts of wales down into the south—west of england. it's a dry day for the most part across central and eastern parts. in fact, you won't get to see that rain until really quite late on in the night, if you see it at all, i think it will be confined to the northern half

of the british isles. the banner of cloud helping to keep the temperatures up much higher than will have been the case from thursday on into friday. so this is the weekend. low pressure not a million miles away, will gradually sink its way towards the south—western approaches. it's the weather front further to the east that's causing the forecasting headaches at the moment and it looks as though having been a rather weak affair, it may well pep up from the south—east and then the rain becoming really rather stuck over scotland. some of that is really open to a good deal of uncertaintyjust at the moment. we think there'll be a peppering of showers across some eastern spots during saturday and then a great dry swathe and as you come back towards that area of low pressure, that'll just throw some showers into parts of wales and the south—west, the odd one getting into northern ireland too. here is saturday night on into sunday, it may well be the heavier parts of rain works its way up to the south—eastern quarter and runs along the line of the front and it may well become the dominant feature across a good part of scotland as we get into the latter part of sunday, then the drier swathe

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