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celebrations are continuing in britain following the wedding of the queen's grandson prince harry to the barican actress meghan markle. the couple ended the day with the private party for about 200 close friends and relatives. the bride will now be known as the duchess of sussex. investigators in cuba have recovered the flight recorder of a plane which crashed shortly after take—off, killing 110 people. officials say 110 people are now known to have died when the plane plunged into a field and exploded after taking off from the capital havana. and more residents have been rescued from homes in hawaii as malta lather paul's from the kilauea volcano. —— molten lava. helicopters were sent to deep big island as explosions sent love are hundreds of metres into the sky. —— lava. now on bbc news it's time for dateline london. hello, and a warm welcome
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prince harry to meghan markle. she made her name on the us tv legal drama suits. she is bringing more than just glamour to the firm. carefully choreographed series of announcements are the palace this week were displaced by discussions of her father. in the end, that was resolved with charles, prince of wales, doing the honours. how much hoped eu rest on the ability of meghan markle and all she represents to introduce some element of change to introduce some element of change to britain's monarchy, to the house of windsor? it never changes. it a lwa ys of windsor? it never changes. it always is amazing young people. they have a baby, they get married. all they ever have to do is exist and reproduce. they don't have any other
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judicialfunction. they reproduce. they don't have any other judicial function. they make us an absurdity on the world stage. this fa ntasy, absurdity on the world stage. this fantasy, and there we are, a country tearing ourselves apart over europe, and suddenly, this wedding cake logy. and suddenly, this wedding cake mythology, this lunacy... it symbolises, in this country, everything that is worst about a huge amount of power and money and inheritance and the worship of that. iam afraid inheritance and the worship of that. i am afraid it is very popular with 80% of our people, so we have to go along with it until people come to their senses and say, what are we doing? is very ordinary family are being sanctified as if there was something special about them. they are quite dim, they have no known intellectual interests. they could be very bright, and we would know about it, because it is get behind those doors. we know what the queen reads. she reads dick francis. despite william and kate having
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degrees in art history, then have never knowingly been to an art gallery since. what about security and all those sorts of things? they can go anywhere they want. they've had the best education and the highest briefing, but at the end of it all, they are really, really ordinary. you want to write about? you wrote a book about them. this is an absurdity, as polly says, but i am perhaps the absurd observer robert. it seems to be 80% of the world ‘s population, notjust england, they want to observe this and think it is well worth watching. i think what polly is underestimating is that aside from individual members, which is hard to gauge, the stability of the monarchy as an institution, in this day and age, is quite remarkable and well worth keeping. the good all these so—called pillars of society, starting with the banks and the
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media. the church and politics, they are all down in the dumps, and people really care less and less about them. amazingly, the monarchy, which to years ago seemed in its last days, has risen to a position of work represents continuity. you know, if you look at my country and talk about heads of state, and different heads of state that we have had, and you have here a royal family which continually holds sway in this highest office in the land, i think of us, as observers, as lecturers, this is an enviable situation to have. but they are german. we could send them back to you! you grow up in a country that famously cut off the heads of its monarchs but it seems to have had a yearning for a monarchy ever since. the debates about emmanuel macron in france, easy getting ideas about his station as a monarchical kind of
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president. and has britain got an advantage here? i think the royal wedding is certainly one of those uniquely british events, and is attracting masses of interest across the world. the french up clearly impressed, as you said, despite having got rid of our own monarchs a long time ago. but they are fascinated by the sense of developing history and indeed the pomp and circumstance. having said that, i think that this latest wedding is getting many of us might confuse, because it is supposed to bea confuse, because it is supposed to be a game changer, one that will make royalty become more egalitarian, and indeed more reclusive, and what troubles me and this is that the whole point of the royal family is that it is supposed to be aloof and indeed unashamedly snobbish, dare i say. you don't fa ncy snobbish, dare i say. you don't fancy a european style bicycle monarchy, the kind of monarchy you bump into in the gym or in one of polly‘s art galleries? bump into in the gym or in one of polly's art galleries? no, i think that a monarchy that —— i think that
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the monarchy represents religion wealth, and to pretend otherwise is silly. the reason queen elizabeth has been a remarkable moniker has been there because she has not bow to the populist agenda, and seems like the brit who never owes. but my fear is with the young royals is that we are getting into the celebrity culture and young people desperate to be loved, in spite of their ludicrously privileged life style. their ludicrously privileged lifestyle. just in terms of the inherited wealth of the amount of money that the monarchy brings in with tourism and other attractions makes up easily whatever the country invests in them. no, but! makes up easily whatever the country invests in them. no, but i think thatis invests in them. no, but i think that is a fallacious argument, because the main argument in support of the royal family coming here, is that it attracts stories and is a fourlis power. france is a that is much more, a much more popular tourist destination, and is roiled legacy draws huge crowds and indeed
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interest. this idea that foreigners coming to meet the royals is ludicrous. and all the palaces and the castles... we don't need live-in royals. i assume you are talking about mentioning them off, not off with their heads. i am thinking at elizabeth the last. there is huge excitement because meghan markle is american and because of the mixed race heritage. there has been a lot of focus on her mother arriving, but do you think that it was disappointing that her mother could not walk daughter down the aisle?” think critically for american tourists the royal family is a real magnet and a continuing kind of accession for many people. and i think for most americans, the politics of this get lost. they don't understand that there is the british taxpayer funding the royal family, they don't understand where
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it lies on that spectrum. and i actually think now what we are seeing is the royalfamily actually think now what we are seeing is the royal family serving a useful role at a time when the country is so divided. you have an apolitical head of state that has remained tightlipped and is in a sense unify the country. i would say that it sense unify the country. i would say thatitis sense unify the country. i would say that it is similar in the us were we so divided, and this idea of looking ata so divided, and this idea of looking at a royal family that rises above the fray is very appealing. now, with an american in the mix, this becomes like a disney fairytale come true. grace kelly all over again. all over again. with the added intrigue of her being not only a divorcee, but of mixed race heritage, having a very established career find heritage, having a very established careerfind her heritage, having a very established career find her before heritage, having a very established careerfind her beforejoining heritage, having a very established career find her before joining the royal family. career find her before joining the royalfamily. i
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career find her before joining the royal family. i would agree with thomas that it does provide a tourist boost that is most likely, by most accounts, bigger than what they cost the taxpayer. if the alternative is the tromp family... this is a byproduct of the popularity of the monarchy. but i don't think it is in essence the thing that makes it tick and that makes it so important. your argument about uniting the family behind one institution is important. especially now we are so institution is important. especially now we are so divided in britain on the brexit issue and others. it is a wonderful race but from all to have some family people. you have an example of divisions much deeper and more troubling in the uk. indeed already around this table and in the middle east. 70 years ago the state of israel was unilaterally established after a us partition plan that had been accepted by jewish leaders was rejected by arab ones. this was the original to take
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solution with the city ofjerusalem awarded to neither side. the borders of israel would change in the coming yea rs, of israel would change in the coming years, but the contours of the conflict have not. the status of jerusalem is still a flashpoint. donald trump's decision to locate the embassy there has been controversial. weeks of protest have reached their peak. israel has used live ammunition to prevent it bridge of the border. on monday, the actual anniversary of what the palestinians called a catastrophe, nearly 60 protesters were killed. those scenes we re protesters were killed. those scenes were terrible, whatever your view of the conflict is. whether we go from here? is there sign or fresh momentum? i think personal, here? is there sign or fresh momentum? ithink personal, it here? is there sign or fresh momentum? i think personal, it has stooped be said that there have been horrendous massacres by palestinians
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by israelis over decades, and not least of all in the last few years. i think we saw this last week was deeply pointed because of what was happening is jerusalem where deeply pointed because of what was happening isjerusalem where one of the most extreme right wing israeli governments for years was working with an almost loyal administration in the us to show contempt for the peace process and palestinian lives. palestinians are viewed with terrifying cynicism. we have fantasy scenarios are people from the gaza strip organising a huge invasion of israel. having said that, you make ita israel. having said that, you make it a point from your perspective strongly, but the view that is expressed by the israeli government is that people were a threat to enter the country, and live fire was used on them as a result and only in those circumstances. that is the
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subject at the un enquiry will have to establish the facts on. precisely. the facts, not the viewer. your view or their view? i am dealing just with the facts. i'm telling the truth. the truth is that the palestinians are in no position whatsoever to invade israel. precisely because the gaza strip... peaked across the border and cause trouble... it is a prison camp that has been under siege and blockade for 11 years. it lacks all the basics including water, electricity, and food and medical supplies... and thatis and food and medical supplies... and that is the position of this week in the last ten years. when we go from there? it has to be emphasised that there? it has to be emphasised that the majority, the appalling majority of those taking part in the process we re of those taking part in the process were unknown civilians within the gaza strip themselves, on their own territory, nowhere near the israeli fans, and yet this idea that a threat could justify indiscriminate execution is diabolical. the
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question here is, i think, when we go from here? plans that is that i quite agree that there is a case to be answered, here, by the israelis, as well as by the palestinians, but the thing that went awry was the initial decision by the americans to rehouse their embassy from tel aviv tojerusalem. it rehouse their embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. it is rehouse their embassy from tel aviv tojerusalem. it is one of those moments where you ask yourself what goes on in the us that they look at this combustible situation and by hook or crook continue with something that was promised in the election campaign. can't they wait, for goodness' sake? uelese campaigns are always a heated moment. you need to dig about the likely outcome. and the outcome is predictable. if you rehouse the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem, what do except? you except by bus. and that is exactly what happened. so the answer is not a step backward. and this was a step
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backward. thisjerusalem issue and the capital can wait. and whether the capital can wait. and whether the american recognises it or not, this is not an issue that is to be resolved today. we know that the administration and its general consensus is pro— israel. administration and its general consensus is pro- israel. it is broadly supportive of their position in terms of palestinians. although they formally backed the 2—state solution. did this seemed to cause any unease? the. the jewish community was divided, as they are and have been in the past. but this was clearly an attempt by donald trump to fulfil a campaign promise, later his ace, pro is really voters coupled with christian evangelicals and he disregarded what would be the long—term effect on the ground. i ee, long—term effect on the ground. i agree, the split images on one hand of it and to drop opening the jerusalem embassy juxtaposed with
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slaughter in gaza and wounded palestinians was very disturbing. when he announced in december this move, there were some hope that perhaps behind—the—scenes this is pa rt of perhaps behind—the—scenes this is part of a larger game, on the face of it it looked like he was giving away this concession without getting anything in return, but maybe this was part of a broader, unorthodox plan and now that definitely looks like wishful thinking. you saw the son—in—law who were supposed to be spearheading his peace process, say at the opening that those palestinians that were demonstrating we re pa rt of palestinians that were demonstrating were part of the problem rather than the solution. there have been suggestions that benjamin netanyahu when in washington had meetings with some of the arab country ambassadors that there may be another sense about other players coming into this. do you derive any hope from
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this? i think that is very optimistic. once you have had a massacre when 60 people and many more severely injured, unarmed protesters... you don't buy any suggestions that some of those people were being used i hamas? protesters also include people who throw stones and get a bit violent, of course they do. it happens in protest here sometimes. is part of protest. israel sets itself up as the only real democracy in that part of the world. what kind of democracy doesn't allow unarmed protest? their argument is if they allow it... you allow them. but that is not allowing them. it is a diabolical argument. if you continue to look at the ins and outs of that situation of the violence executed and the response which is supposed to be not proportional, you are not going to
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get anywhere with this whole issue. this is for the investigation to establish what went wrong and so forth. i think the blame lies squarely on american diplomacy to have allowed the situation to emerge at this moment in time, laying the fuse to potentially disrupt. you are right. donald trump is an entirely disrupt in force on the world stage ina disrupt in force on the world stage in a whole number of arenas, maybe we thought he was a full and he won't do this stuff, but it looks as if he is quite serious about on picking the legacy of any good legacy of any previous president. dare i say, whatever the affiliation is or intentions of some of the people, then and women shot at by the israeli military, this idea that terror or criminal suspects who are within gaza on their own can be murdered in cold blood alongside what israel would call collateral
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damage is monstrous. the attempt to whitewash illegal attacks on demonstrators says nothing but prove what barbaric regime is currently running israel. ithink what barbaric regime is currently running israel. i think an obvious way forward, with all due respect, is for israel to stop murdering palestinians and grant them a basic right to life. for the rest of the world ‘s democracies, to say this is not how democracy behaves. your country, my country, we should all be saying don't do this.” country, my country, we should all be saying don't do this. i think the problem is, actually now what you haveis problem is, actually now what you have is the situation in gaza is feeding into donald trump's narrative that actually walls are the solution and defensible and are in sync and it shows now that the trump administration is unabashedly
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pro israel, pro benjamin netanyahu and they are using that to feed into theirargument and they are using that to feed into their argument about. —— about walls. hollywood loves blockbusters, after north korea perhaps they will make a follow—up on ten police. the characters in the movie were puppets, real life you could wonder who is pulling the strings. kim jong—un has drawn from hinting to giving up its nuclear programme to threatening to pull out altogether from a groundbreaking summit eating the president trump. stefanie, that is one side of it. on the american side it has been quite difficult to follow. john bolton, almost a figure it out on central casting with his moustache and glasses and an intentional grumpy manner which he uses as part of is getting his point
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across. apparently being slapped down by his own president?m across. apparently being slapped down by his own president? if you read the statement that north korea put out, he is the central character and they called him repugnant. he is one that has set them off by making this comparison on a face the nation interview that his model for north korea is the denuclearisation programme deal that they did with libya. that has infuriated north koreans for two reasons. one, they do want to see themselves as ending up do want to see themselves as ending up with the fate of libya or iraq and as we know it out in a tree the us did a deal with libya for a very, to get rid of a very nascent nuclear programme and then years later in 2011, gaddafi was in a ditch and was then killed. that has proper donald trump you come out and say this is not about regime change, we will
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offer protection, whatever that is, to north korea. and libya is not our models. it was a pretty brutal public putdown. it was, now you have a very clear split between his two main advisers on this. john bolton on the one hand, much more of a hawk and mike pompeo, who has actually gone to north korea and is much more careful in his language and what he has said. what we are seeing now is the two sides are far apart in how you define it denuclearisation. the us wants complete irreversible denuclearisation before they start lifting sanctions and north korea wa nts lifting sanctions and north korea wants it done in stages with synchronised steps by washington to lift sanctions and help the economy. i think it is terrific that we got to the stage of actually possibly having talked when a little while ago it was little rocket man and
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abuse both sides of. the trouble is, ijust think donald trump's administration is capable of the subtlety required. what is clear is that the north koreans are not going to altogether give up their nuclear capabilities. they are not going to, why should they? by the coming week here, they have wrought an american president to meet them. this is phenomenal. this is a tiny, little impoverished country and just by having a nuclear programme may have brought the most powerful country to its door. there is no way somebody is going to scrutinise if they have weapons somewhere. it is not possible. 0r weapons somewhere. it is not possible. or that you can hope for is that you get a put peaceful understanding between north and south korea and americans backing that up. and nuclearisation is as minimalas that up. and nuclearisation is as minimal as possible. i don't think
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there is a hope that trouble except that. -- trump. do you think they have been clever in publicly exposing the divisions in the white house administration? the north koreans has referred to donald trump as human scum, and his security adviser doesn't have much confidence in him. he sees him as naive, on his way to another terrible deal and thatis way to another terrible deal and that is the problem with donald trump. as usual, he has tripped a massively complex and catastrophic foreign policy issue in a chance to make and sell popular. he sees everything, including complex diplomacy in terms of dealmaking. that is the problem. in general terms, what he was there with the north korean leader is some facetime
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with somebody and he has threatened the devastating military action. would you want to be a fly on the wall? nixon and kissinger had nuclear arms deals, somewhat limited but to good effect. i don't think the north koreans exposed the division in the administration, it is all over the place. when you say it isa is all over the place. when you say it is a brutal putdown, i am not impressed. you often sack people who you only adopted a day before. that is part and parcel of how they do business. i think the mistake is part and parcel of how they do business. ithink the mistake here again is talking about what will be theissue again is talking about what will be the issue of the meeting in the first place. why pronounce ahead of time, the security man or the foreign secretary or whatever, what is theirgameplan? foreign secretary or whatever, what is their gameplan? this sort allows the other side to play nicely and
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expose the divisions. they have themselves to blame for these divisions. in general terms, themselves to blame for these divisions. in generalterms, what trump has done, he has incentivised politics, reducing it to man baby squabbling. this is massively dangerous. he will accept nothing but on nuclear weapons. you only have to look at his policies towards the palestinians to see that he is an abject warmonger and aligns himself with war criminals like netanyahu. is not a phrase he can describe as objective, he is an elected leader of a country whether you like it or not, but in terms of donald trump, you don't have much faith in him to pull this off. it surprised us in getting the summit. i point about the palestinian issue is to prove that he is aligning himself with people who are not
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interested in peace or injustice, but who are warmonger is. to think he has to pronounce protection of a brutal regime, north korea, we won't touch you, you can do what you like with your own people shows that he has reached a cul—de—sac. with your own people shows that he has reached a cul-de-sac. thank you all very much a. thank you for your company, backed the same time next week. —— back. another fine sunny and warm day for a few of you. is some occasional rain, not as quiet as chile, still a little bit of a chill to start the day across england and wales but
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there were near as cold as it has been. early—morning mist and fog, baby been. early—morning mist and fog, ba by at been. early—morning mist and fog, baby at few patches we drink around the coast here and the english channel. the sunshine across parts of northern england and wales hazy than we have sent the past 2a hours. some breaks in the cloud will lift bridges to around 21 but really in western scotland and northern ireland, the cloud always reckoning. there will still be some dry and bright weather too. highs of around 23 in southern england and a degree or so higher than saturday. into saturday night, sky is clear from the south—east but more wet weather to come to take us into monday. that will gradually be used but you do next week, lots of fine and dry weather and feeling pleasantly warm in the sunshine too. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is nkem ifejika. our top stories: the kiss that says "we're husband and wife" —
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