tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News May 22, 2018 9:00am-11:00am BST
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hello, it's tuesday, it's 9am, i'm chloe tilley, welcome to the programme. pop star ariana grande has said her thoughts remain with all those affected by the manchester arena bombing one year on from the atrocity. 22 people were killed and hundreds injured when a bomb was detonated at the end of one of her concerts. we'll be talking to people who were there. it still just seems a bit like a movie, to be honest. haven't really processed it all yet. i did have to take a year out of my uni studies, just to deal with everything. wood burning stoves are in the fire today — as rules to curb smoke and soot from them will be brought in to tackle air pollution. why are you concentrating on activity x, whatever x might be. that's the reason why we've got a comprehensive plan, why we are doing everything from both making sure that cars are off our roads to tackling the particular matter that comes the particulate matter that comes from wood—burning and other domestic heating. we'll be talking about this
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later in the programme. get in touch if you've got a wood burner and are concerned about the impact you're having on air quality. also today, i'll be speaking to the boss of sainsbury‘s at about quarter to ten about the merger with asda and whether he'll be following tesco‘s lead in removing best before labels on fruit and veg. hello and welcome to the programme, we're live until ”am this morning. later in the programme we're going to be talking to the parents of a three—year—old girl who was killed on a pedestrian crossing by a pensioner who had been told to stop driving because of poor eyesight. they want a change in the law to make it compulsory for all motorists to have a proper eyesight check when they take their test and also
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for gps and opticians to notify the dvla if they're treating a patient who they don't believe is safe to drive. what do you think? should drivers be tested more than they are now? what would make our roads safer? are you an older driver who has stopped driving? do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. it's exactly one year since 22 people were killed by a suicide bomber at an ariana grande concert in manchester. some of the hundreds of those injured in the explosion and the families of those killed will be attending a remembrance service at manchester cathedral this afternoon. they will be joined by prince william and theresa may. fiona trott has been to meet a mother and daughter who were at the concert that night — here's their story. the pips sound police in manchester say a number of people have been killed and others injured at manchester arena after at least one explosion was reported... sirens wail. we have just heard from
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greater manchester police that they are linking this to terrorism... every time i close my eyes, ijust see it and i hear it. the only way i can describe it was ants out of a colony — that noise went off and everyone just went silent and then everyone just started running. for leanne and her daughter laney, it is still very raw. i heard a massive bang. at first, i thought it were a balloon, because she let down loads of mass... ..like balloons, like, that big. and then i heard a girl in front of me shout "it's a bomb." it was a terrorist attack that claimed the lives of 22 people. the youngest was just eight years old. hundreds like leanne have needed intensive therapy. i went suicidal. i couldn't cope any more. if i wouldn't have gone to that session, i don't think i'd be here. and that's the first time i've said that in front of laney. the attack was carried out by this man, salman abedi. the bomb he carried contained nearly 2,000 pieces of metal. prosecutors have asked
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for his brother hashem to be extradited from libya. there is a warrant for his arrest. negotiations are tricky, they're delicate, they're being carried out by the government and it is for them and the libyans to work — work that through. i would just hope that we are able to see a trial in the uk because of the — the families of the victims and those injured and traumatised. one, two, three! after her experience, leanne is now studying to be mental health nurse. both she and laney are travelling to manchester today, a city coming together to reflect. fiona trott, bbc news, manchester. we can talk now to fiona who's at manchester cathedral. just outline what is going to be happening throughout the course of the day. you can see here that preparations are already under way
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at manchester cathedral itself for a special service in a few hours' time. a screen will be put out here so time. a screen will be put out here so people in this part of the city can watch what is happening inside. hundreds of people are expected here. the service will be shown at other cathedrals across other parts of the uk, in glasgow, liverpool and york too. the prime minister is expected to attend, prince william too. the prime minister has said this about the attack on the targeting of the young and innocent as they enjoyed a carefree night out was act of sickening cowardice, it was act of sickening cowardice, it was designed to strike at the heart of our values and our way of life with the aim of breaking our resolve and dividing us. it failed. fiona, we mustn't forget there is still a huge police investigation ongoing. what's the latest on that? you heard in that report that the prosecutors want salman abedi's brother hashem to be extradited to
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the uk. greater manchester police say this investigation is very much still ongoing, 100 officers working on this, 23 people arrested. when you speak to families like laney and leanne in that report, they will tell you it's not about that today, they don't want to think about the attacker. 0ne mother has said that she doesn't even use his name, she says he doesn't deserve that recognition will stop instead it's more about people coming here today to the service at the cathedral today to reflect and celebrate life. there is another event taking place today at the end of the day, huge musical event involving around 3000 performers. that really is what todayis performers. that really is what today is about. something else we have seen today, ariana grande herself, of course, whose concert it was, put a message on instagram. she has written: thinking of you all today and every day. i love you with all of me, i'm sending you all of the light and warmth i have to offer
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on this challenging day. fiona, thank you for speaking to us live from manchester cathedral. let's get the latest on the rest of the day's news from the bbc newsroom. good morning. good morning. local councils in england are to be given new powers to curb the use of wood burners to heat homes. it's part of a new clean air strategy which sets out plans to reduce the level of harmful particles in the air, which can cause serious health problems. 0ur environment analyst roger harrabin reports. filthy air has become a national crisis with angry parents demanding action. the government has been dragged through the courts over failures to tackle nitrogen dioxide pollution, mainly from vehicles. today's consultation, though, concentrates mostly on other pollutants. take solid fuel fires — a big problem in winter. the government says it will prevent the dirtiest of solid fuels being burned, but it doesn't say how. wood burners add to air problems too. a government source said they would not be banned but people
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would be encouraged to burn dry wood, which pollutes less. campaigners say the plans, so far, are too vague. ministers reject that. by taking steps both to reduce petrol and diesel cars on our roads but also to deal with everything from wood—burning stoves to the pollution generated by ammonia in agricultural land, we are doing everything we can in order to ensure the next generation lead healthier lives. here's one area where the government has promised decisive action. farms are the main source of ammonia, an irritant gas that forms particles which get sucked deep into the lungs. farmers will be paid to clean up. but the air pollution issue is not settled yet. roger harrabin, bbc news. and a little later we'll be taking a closer look at this issue, especially focusing on wood—burning stoves which have become popular design features. a bbc investigation has uncovered allegations of forced and illegal cross—border adoptions at a home run by catholic nuns
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in northern ireland. evidence suggests some children may have been moved out of the uk without their mother's consent from marianvale mother and baby home in newry. the catholic good shepherd sisters said adoptions were "conducted strictly in accordance with the legislation". the home closed in 1984. and we'll have an in—depth report on this issue later in this hour. greater legal protection could be given to police drivers who are involved in a road crash during a pursuit. the home office is looking at reforms — which would affect forces in england and wales — after concerns among officers that they risk prosecution for careless or dangerous driving if they chase suspected criminals at high—speed. facebook boss mark zuckerberg is due to appear before leaders of the european parliament today to discuss concerns about privacy. the meeting which was originally planned to be held in private, but in a change of plan, it will be streamed live online this evening. mr zuckerberg has refused an invitation to a similar hearing in this country.
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an australian court has found a catholic archbishop guilty of concealing child sexual abuse in the 1970s. philip wilson, the archbishop of adelaide, becomes the most senior catholic in the world to be charged and convicted of the offence. he was found guilty of covering up the abuse of altar boys by a paedophile priest colleague in new south wales. ministers are considering whether to scrap some of the controversial nhs reforms introduced in england in 2012. the changes sought to give gps more control over health budgets but critics say they have been damaging and expensive. now to hawaii where people are being warned to stay indoors with the windows closed to limit exposure to toxic gases, as flows of molten rock have gathered pace. the kilauea volcano on the big island started erupting on may 3rd but shows no signs of slowing.
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around 2,000 people have already left their homes. chris buckler is on the island well, you can seejust how deep the cracks in the ground go here, close to where the fissures have opened up. this was a road behind me in a residential area. it is now completely blocked, and just look at the road itself. it has split apart, such is the force of the lava. of course, we are some distance away from the fissures themselves, but the devastation doesn't stop there. power lines have come down, which of course is dangerous. but one of the big concerns going forward are all of the toxic smoke and fumes that is coming off the fissures that are still active. that's why we are having to stand here with gas masks. at the moment, the wind is travelling all that smoke in a different direction. but if that was to change direction, we could be in danger, and that's why we are taking precautions.
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it's notjust there, though, it's also close to the sea. where the sea water and the lava meet. that can create problems because again, you get this toxic steam with hydrochloric acid. it's known as a lava haze, or a laze. you do get a real sense here when you look at the road and see the cracks that have emerged of just how powerful kilauea really is. the former us president barack 0bama and his wife michelle have signed up to produce films and tv shows for streaming giant netflix. the couple have set up a production company called higher ground productions. the films and series are said to potentially include documentaries and features. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9:30am. thank you, joanna. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport
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with katherine downes, and we now know who's going to be leading england out in theirfirst game at the world cup. that's right, perhaps no surprise as england have announced tottenham striker harry kane will captain england at the world cup next month, not the first time he has warned the captain's armband. he led the side during last summer's world cup qualifer against scotland, and then a further three times after that. manager gareth southgate said kane has "belief and high standards" that will set an example to the rest of the team. it is announcements galore this morning. we heard late last night that arsenal have appointed a new manager to replace arsene wenger. the name in question is unai emery, i then know if many people have heard of this because it was a bit ofa heard of this because it was a bit of a surprise choice from arsenal. 0ur sports correspondent david 0rnstein broke the story last night and he is on the sofa with me.
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david, what do we know about unai emery? forfootball fans david, what do we know about unai emery? for football fans he david, what do we know about unai emery? forfootball fans he is a big name but for those who may only have a passing interest in the game they might not have hurt that much. he hasn't been appointed just yet, we expect that to come in the following days and we should hear from him and arsenal as well. he is 46 years old, he's a spaniard, most recently managing paris st—germain leading them title and also r1 four domestic cups in his two seasons at the club and prior to that he was the club and prior to that he was the seville manager in his native spain where he won three consecutive europa league titles, that's the competition arsenal are competing in this coming season. he doesn't speak fluent english, so that could be a potential issue, but he does fit in quite nicely to arsenal's new continental structure and he's happy to work within that. people say that he is proven in european competition because he couldn't take paris st—germain number last 16 of the champions league. so it is an appointment which will divide
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opinion that arsenal are happy with them and. there was, though, up until late last night, it was kind of nails on it would be mikel arteta, who used to play for arsenal. all of a sudden the direction change from the club and it was unai emery. what happened? did arsenal get cold feet about mikel arteta? we do not know the exact process behind mikel arteta not getting the job but winner arsenal were close to getting the deal done and they could have pressed the button at any time. they conducted a full and thorough interview process to get the best candidate over a number of weeks and i'm told that unai emery was the unanimous choice of arsenal's decision—makers. depper the recommendation to the board of directors and fiona stan kroenke and they decided unai emery was the man for thejob and they decided unai emery was the man for the job and so that will be decided on the pitch —— the owner sta n decided on the pitch —— the owner stan kroenke. it is up to arsenal fa ns to stan kroenke. it is up to arsenal fans to make their views known so we look forward to hearing what arsenal fa ns look forward to hearing what arsenal fans think about that appointment when it is formalised in the coming days. and before we go we should also mention the new west ham manager.
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it's the former manchester city boss manuel pellegrini. he takes over from david moyes who left west ham last week. it is all change all round and that is all the sport for now. back to you. thank you, we will speak to you throughout the morning. some of you getting in touch already, we will be talking to the pa rents of already, we will be talking to the parents of a three—year—old girl who was knocked down and killed by an older driver who was told just a few weeks ago he should not drive any more. elwyn said once i agree with measures to stop elderly driving with notifiable leak dummett the medical conditions, they should not be pursued more aggressively than young people with notifiable medical conditions. you see footage of pensioners driving down the carriageway the wrong way, but when you google this you find out more young drivers are doing this. keep your thoughts coming in. a year ago 22 people who'd gone to watch an ariana grande concert in manchester were killed —
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the youngest of them was just eight. they died when a suicide bomber let off his device in the manchester arena foyer. and more than 800 people were left with physical or psychological injuries. police have said the night will forever be etched in the city's history. this morning ariana grande posted a message on social media saying... "thinking of you all today and every day. i love you with all of me and am sending you all of the light and warmth i have to offer on this challenging day." in a moment we'll talk to some of those affected. but first let's remind ourselves of those awful events — and a warning that the film we're about to show has distressing images from the start and lasts about three minutes. screaming. after our darkest of nights, manchester is today waking up to the most difficult of dawns. this has been the most horrific incident we have ever faced here in greater manchester, and one that we all hoped we would never see.
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but this attack stands out, for its appalling, sickening cowardice. deliberately targeting innocent, defenceless children and young people, who should have been enjoying one of the most memorable nights of their lives. but when i think of manchester, the place that i know, i think of the spirit of the people there, and i'm telling you a more tight—knit group of people you will be hard pressed to find. the audience was a very young audience, and there were a lot of people there without their parents, people were requesting that they could get taxis but they didn't have no money. that's the point when i made the decision that money isn't everything in life and we are part of manchester and we need to do our part to make sure these people get home safe and sound. with us here in london
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is natasha pearson. natasha had taken her daughter myah, who was then seven, and a friend to the concert. they had just arrived in the foyer when the explosion happened. natasha, thank you so much for coming in. i know this is an incredibly difficult day for you. what do you remember about the night before the explosion? tell us where you were, and the mood? it was fun, it was great, my daughter and her best friend's first concert, they had been looking forward to it. they got them as a surprise for christmas and had to wait all that time, the build—up and the excitement. we went for tea with tegan‘s mum beforehand, and obviously she waved us goodbye and obviously she waved us goodbye and we went and had a fantastic time, it was brilliant. i hadn't really been to a concept apart from yea rs really been to a concept apart from years and years back, it was new to me as well. —— hadn't really been to
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a concert. it is a new thing for you as well. we are joined by robby potter and his 12—year—old daughter tegan. robby, you were waiting for tegan, who had been at the concert when the bomb went off. i want to thank you both forjoining us. tegan, we were talking to natasha about the excitement of the night. i know you are a massive ariana grande fan, so to be there must have been incredible? yeah. i couldn't wait. cerri, that is my fault, there is a slight delay on the line. tell me a bit about the excitement of the night and how much you enjoyed the concert? well, when we were queueing to go through the door to get our ticket checked, i was dead excited, like i was forever moving. and you obviously had a great night when you we re obviously had a great night when you were in there? yes.
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i want to bring in robby, you are not as much of a fan of ariana grande as your daughter, so you had not gone to the concert. she is the bane of my life! so you decided to just pick her up and meet your daughter afterwards. tell us where you were, you were waiting for her? yes, i was in the five a a few yards from the door. -- i was in the foyer. what happened just before the explosion? the foyer was not that busy, i believe ariana grande started late, it was mainly parents waiting outside. it was meant to be the happiest day in their lives, for the happiest day in their lives, for the kids. can you remember, as the explosion was set off, what went through your mind? did you realise what was happening at that moment? no, the first thing was a massive
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flash and then the smell and the noise. the first thought was a speaker or something had gone wrong inside. and then it was mayhem afterwards. what goes through your mind at that moment? presumably you wa nt to mind at that moment? presumably you want to make sure that your nearest and dearest rok? obviously the first thought was where readers tegan, wherein tegan? —— where is tegan, wherein tegan? —— where is tegan, where is tegan. it sounded more like a machine gun to me, i did not find out was toe it was a bomb until four or five weeks later when i came out of the coma. —— i did not find out it was a bomb until four or five weeks later. i am very lucky to be here. whenl weeks later. i am very lucky to be here. when i found out i thought they have crossed a line, they have targeted kids. i never expected
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that, it is the lowest of the low. tell us about the injuries you sustained that night? something got stuck between the front and back wall of my heart, my lung collapsed, my shoulder and neck, multiple shrapnel injuries. two fractured kneecaps, lower leg damage which has resulted in me losing the nerves and the loss of the feelings in my left foyer. but i'm still here. it has taken many, many months of recovery and hard work? yes, but i have had great support. the people of manchester, especially the rugby community, some very close friends. we have stuck together and we have shown they will not beat us. we have to live this for the people who lost people. of course. that is what inspires you, we have to do it.|j
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wa nt to inspires you, we have to do it.|j want to bring natasha back—in, it is incredible, as robby says, the injuries he sustained, and we see him one year on from that attack. what are your memories of the moment when the bomb went off? the girls we re when the bomb went off? the girls were in school the next morning, so were in school the next morning, so we we re were in school the next morning, so we were trying to go and get some merchandise for them, with it being my first concert, so we had literally turned to walk towards where the explosion happened and we we re where the explosion happened and we were on the other side of where all the doors were, to where he was. and insta ntly the doors were, to where he was. and instantly with a big flash, then i saw black things flying. i just grabbed hold of the girls and i went, that is a bomb, we need to go. iran went, that is a bomb, we need to go. i ran the other way with them and try to get them out. again, it is the thought of is there going to be another one at the entrance or the exeter? should we hide? willa
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gunman coming? then when you get on the street it is to the point where you are even thinking is there going to bea you are even thinking is there going to be a vehicle that will blow people down? will it continue? it is co nsta ntly people down? will it continue? it is constantly trying to keep the girls save and think of every situation that could happen. it is incredible you were that can and were able to think about all those scenarios, some people would probably panic?m is my second bomb, i was in the other one as well. ijust is my second bomb, i was in the other one as well. i just go is my second bomb, i was in the other one as well. ijust go into a calm mode and everything goes into slow motion. so... it is one of them things. swim or drowned. tell me how myah has dealt with this, and also myah's friend. it is difficult to understand how a seven—year—old can process something so horrific, we struggle as adults. she had asked me about my previous experience before
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any of this had happened, i had a lwa ys any of this had happened, i had always been quite open. this was the bombing in manchester? yes, i explain the facts and she had always asked me questions, so i think she had a better understanding when it actually happened. she has dealt with it ok to an extent. as a family we have seen what other people do not see, we've see her happy and bubbly and we see her not closing her bedroom door at night any more because she was scared somebody will come up the stairs. she seemed to be 0k recently, but then last week and incident happened in school, only minor, a police van pulled up and she absolutely lost it. had a good chat and it has come to light that she is not actually doing as well as we thought. so we have got camhs
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giving her more counselling and help, the school was great, they brought somebody in specifically for the girl. tegan was a bit less... she did not want to talk about it, but more recently she has started asking questions, only when she is with her dad and myself. asking questions, only when she is with her dad and myselflj asking questions, only when she is with her dad and myself. i know the girls were very brave, they went to the one manchester memorial footage. many people will remember you and the girls dancing with a police officer in a circle going round and round, it was a very special moment from that day which made people smile through an incredibly difficult day. it must‘ve been hard for the girls to go back to a concert? it was hard for me as a mum to ta ke concert? it was hard for me as a mum to take them and possibly put them at that risk again, but we decided to do it, we were not going to let it win and we wanted to have fun and give them many good memories, try to shadow the bad stuff.|j give them many good memories, try to shadow the bad stuff. i would like to bring new back—in, robby, do you
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feel like you and your daughter tegan have had enough psychological support in the last years since the attack? not from the government, but i had to be honest, tegan's school, the primary school before she joined the primary school before she joined the girls school, they have been very supportive, given her loads of time, she can speak to whether she wants the schools have been brilliant, but on the guv max wright we have had nothing. tegan, what was it like on the day your dad came from hospital. -- on the government side we have had nothing. from hospital. -- on the government side we have had nothingm from hospital. -- on the government side we have had nothing. it was very exciting, he did not tell me the date and as soon as he came home i literally hugged him to see that he was still alive and batter. thank you so much for speaking to us today. i hope you get through today and it is not too difficult for each
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of you. robby, tegan and natasha, thank you. still to come. in a few minutes, allegations of illegal adoptions at a home run by catholic nuns in northern ireland. and tackling air pollution. councils are to be given new powers to cut down on the use of solid fuels and wood burners. will it make you think twice about using them? time for the latest news — here's joanna gosling. hi there. ariana grande has tweeted "thinking of you all" ahead of a day of remembrance to mark the first anniversary of the manchester arena attack. it is a year since a suicide bomber killed 22 people as they left ariana grande's concert at the manchester arena. 800 people were left with physical and psychological injuries. local councils in england are expected to be given new powers
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to curb the use of wood burners to heat homes. it's part of a new clean air strategy — which sets out plans to reduce the level of harmful particles in the air, which can cause serious health problems. greater legal protection could be given to police drivers who are involved in a road crash during a pursuit. the home office is looking at reforms — which would affect forces in england and wales — after concerns among officers that they risk prosecution for careless or dangerous driving if they chase suspected criminals at high—speed. tesco is to remove best—before labels from dozens of its own—brand fruit and vegetables to try to cut food waste. the supermarket says shoppers are often confused by the difference between best—before and use—by dates, and so throw away tonnes of edible food. and this is one issue we'll be putting to the boss of sainsbury‘s mike coupe when we have him on the programme shortly. back to you. here's some sport now with katherine. these are the main sports stories this morning — and there are plenty of new appointments. firstly — tottenham striker harry kane has been
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named england captain for the world cup next month. manager gareth southgate says he has the belief and high standards required for thejob. the world cup starts next month, of course. aresenal are set to appoint a new manager to replace arsene wenger — and the name in the frame is unai emery. he's guided paris st—germain to one league title and four domestic trophies during seasons in charge — favourite for thejob had been former arsenal player mikel arteta. there's a new manager at west ham too — former manchester city boss manuel pellegrini will take over, replacing david moyes. he's signed a three—year deal. and away from the comings and goings in football — jos buttler says he considered quitting white—ball cricket in order to regain his place in england's test side. he's earned a call—up for this week's first test against pakistan — which he says is a fantastic surprise and an incredible opportunity. that's all the sport for now. back to you, chloe. thank you very much, catherine. a bbc investigation has uncovered allegations of forced and illegal adoptions from a home for unmarried mothers run by catholic nuns.
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the file on four programme has spoken to birth mothers and children who were adopted from the centre in county down, which was run by the good shepherd sisters. michael buchanan has more. she was quite clear that she never consented to me being adopted at any point, ever. all the talk was about getting your baby adopted, you were told about going to the hospital, you were told you are not allowed to go down and look at your baby or feed your baby or see your baby. this actually has a different birthday for me, and a different address of where i was born. dear terry, i was sent to a hostel in newry
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and it was there i gave birth to you. the nuns in charge said i had to give you up for adoption. i pleaded with her, and indeed with my mother, but got nowhere. i had nowhere to go and nojob. you were adopted and i was sent home the same day. i know this is only a short explanation for what happened, but if you would like to meet me, i could explain better, so hopefully i will hear from you soon. alice. in 2010, terry doran received a letter that changed his life. the author was his birth mother, alice mcausland, who had an extraordinary story to tell. he knew she had given birth to him in december 1962, but in september 2010, at their first meeting in 47 years, terry heard the exact circumstances surrounding his adoption. she was quite adamant that she never gave permission
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for me to be adopted. and that i was taken from the home in newry, where we both were. taken in the middle of the night, and taken over the border into donegal, without her permission. you sort of go through your life as an adopted child believing that you weren't part of somebody‘s plan for life, so to speak. then you realise that after 47 years, you were part of their plan for life, and that you were actually stolen. there must have been a part of you at least that thought, this is madness. i couldn't believe it. i honestly couldn't believe it. i was taken in the middle of the night, she never consented to anything, never found any consent forms, any signatures where she signed me away. the nuns took me in the middle of the night. she got up in the morning and i was gone, the cot was empty and she was told to go home, that her baby was gone. alice had reared terry
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for three months here, at the marianvale mother and baby home in newry. the women who stayed here over nearly three decades until it closed in 1984 all had one thing in common. they were pregnant and unmarried, often viewed as having shamed their families or communities. i was 19, and i wasn't... i was pregnant. i had split up with the father of my child. so i wasn't in a very good place, and i had heard about people going there. that's the big room. the big one, yeah, used to sit here knitting. katrina cunningham went to marianvale in 1980. in the weeks before she gave birth, she spent her time at the home knitting baby clothes. so, you were knitting clothes for the baby you were going to keep? yes. that's exactly what you're doing. and i know some of the girls that had their babies adopted, when they actually met the children years later, they met up, one of them still had a wee toy
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that the mother had knitted for him, in marianvale. he'd kept it all them years. but katrina was unsure what she wanted to happen, with all the talk of her baby being put up for adoption. she felt powerless as she gave birth to a daughter. the baby is taken from you at the hospital. so, i went back to marianvale without my baby. in my case, i had a very difficult birth. i was quite ill after she was born. so, i was in marianvale for a further two weeks. in that time, the baby wasn't mentioned to me at all. i went home. again, without the baby. seeking answers to the many questions surrounding marian vale, questions surrounding marianvale, we came to saints peter and paul roman catholic church
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on the edge of newry. here, we managed to gain access to the baptismal register, details on more than 800 children born to mothers in marianvale over its near 30—year history. the documents we've obtained give a unique insight into what happened at marian vale. they contain information on the hundreds of women who used its services over the years, including scores of them who travelled to northern ireland to stay at home. perhaps most crucially, the documents have information on what happens to some of the children those women gave birth to. women came here from scotland, england and the irish republic to have children. some of their babies were sent out of northern ireland, a couple as far as the united states. born to a mother at marianvale in 1968, karen shimnel is now an english teacher in new york. but within days of her birth, she had been moved over the border to the irish republic where she was issued with an entirely false birth certificate.
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this actually has my adoptive parents' names on it, and it has a different birthday. and a different address of where i was born. so, completely different birth certificate from the one that i'd been familiar with. it was quite stunning, quite shocking, to find this, it seems to suggest there was some sort of forgery going on. it's unclear who provided the false information but the fraudulent document is one of three birth certificates that karen has from the irish republic, northern ireland and the united states. karen says the nuns exploited her parents' desire to adopt her, and move her to america. i think they perhaps took advantage of my parents' desperation. they obviously left them hanging without the proper documentation to get me over to america. and then forced them into a situation where they had
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to scramble to do that. in a statement, the order that ran marianvale, the good shepherd sisters, told us they utterly reject any suggestion that illegal adoptions were conducted from marianvale. all adoptions, they said, took place strictly in accordance with the legislation which applied. they added, some women did not proceed with adoption and took their babies home. she said, have you not been out to visit her...? katrina cunningham was one of them. eventually. for three months, she had no idea what had happened to her daughter. then one day, a social worker visited. she came in and she said, do you want to see her? i said i would love to. this is the first time anybody had said to me that i could do that. so she took me out to see her in the foster home she was in. i was able to hold her and feed her and everything there. she said, what do you want to do? i said, "i want to keep her."
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"can i keep her?" she said, of course you can. katrina does consider herself one of the lucky ones. what happened to the other 813 children born to the women of marianvale, including the dozens we know were sent out of northern ireland remains shrouded in secrecy. and you can hear the full file on four programme tonight at 8pm on bbc radio 4. coming up — the big boss of one the uk's biggest supermarkets — sainsbury‘s — will be here talking about the merger with asda and whether the chain will follow tesco's lead and remove best before labels on fruit and veg. air pollution is the fourth biggest threat to health after cancer, obesity and heart disease according to the government. and today, local councils in england are to be given new powers to curb the use of solid fuels and wood burners to heat homes. the idea is part of a new clean air strategy, which aims to reduce the amount of harmful particles in the air that can cause serious health problems by 2025.
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but environment secretary michael gove has had to defend his plans against critics who say the plans are long overdue and miss the biggest killer — cars. here he is this morning on bbc radio four‘s today programme. wet wood and coal with a high level of bitumen in it, these particular of bitumen in it, these particular of fuel that contribute to the particular toxic mix of chemicals in oui’ particular toxic mix of chemicals in ourair. and particular toxic mix of chemicals in our air. and it's important to bear in mind that when we are dealing with air pollution that there is no single bullet. there is no one lever that you can pull that will deal with all the problems that we face. wood—burning and indeed otherforms of domestic heating do contribute to air pollution, so, of course, does road traffic and so, of course, does the agricultural use of types of fertiliser, manure and slurry. you have put the focus on ammonia and farming and we will come onto traffic later. when we called your
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department yesterday and asked about the phrase you have released, we will regulate so that only the clea nest will regulate so that only the cleanest domestic fuels are available, and what that meant, it doesn't mean you are planning to ban the domestic burning of coal. doesn't mean you are planning to ban the domestic burning of coalm means we will take steps to ensure the worst and smoke used forms of coal, those with the highest level of pollutant... coal in general is the dirtiest fuel, why not get rid of it in domestic stoves? one of the things about air pollution, when you have a particular concentration of chemicals in a particular area, that creates pollution. but if you for example, ina creates pollution. but if you for example, in a rural area a diesel vehicle or indeed coal being used, the effects on air pollution there are significantly less, they are dispersed and therefore it would be disproportionate to have uniform ban of the kind that some, and indeed it is unpleasant in your question, have argued for. let's talk now to kate nield, who's a lawyer with client earth, which has taken legal action against the government. nigel meyers is from wood burner shop stoake limited — and his wood burner.
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it was going to be with us but we had problems getting it into the studio. lesley negus says she saves so much money with her stove she only spends £20 on gas in the winter. is that right? yes. is that why you got a woodburn initially to save money, 01’ got a woodburn initially to save money, or was it environmental?m is both really. —— wood burner. 80% of the heat goes up the chimney if you have a fire and it is the other way around with a woodburn. with the refurbishment on buildings and use a lot of scrap wood and palettes from nearby —— wood burner. we compost and recycle and we consider it to be pa rt and recycle and we consider it to be part of that. nigel, is that good fuel being burned by lesley? we are london based, we supply and install eco—based woodburning stoves which reduce emissions by around 80 or 90% when compared with an open fire or
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old stoves. we encourage our customers to use kiln—dried wood, which has a low moisture content of below 20%. the ready to burn logo was something to look for if you are in london. so is lesley burning good or bad stuff? it is different issues, the countryside has very different environmental issues compared to the city. we have a focus on what happens in london, we are really working towards encouraging people to burn wood in the cleanest way possible. katie, do you think this is a good strategy being outlined by the government today? we are pleased to see the government is finally realising it needs to adopt a strategy covering a wide range of pollutants, so from cars to cows, but unfortunately from the high—level measures... from the measures we have seen so far, the
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information so far, and fortunately there are still quite a few holes in there are still quite a few holes in the strategy we have seen. in particular... in particularthe the strategy we have seen. in particular... in particular the fact that the government is still failing to take effective action against emissions from road transport, it is emissions from road transport, it is emissions from road transport, it is emissions from road transport which contribute to illegal levels of air pollution across the country. contribute to illegal levels of air pollution across the country! couple of comments have been coming in from people who have wood burners, discussing whether they have buyers remorse. david has said woodburning stoves were marketed as a green renewable alternative to fossil fuels. it seems a green renewable alternative to fossilfuels. it seems really a green renewable alternative to fossil fuels. it seems really unfair for those who have invested in these stoves that would is certainly seen as pollution. kiln—dried wood is really expensive to get, we buy from local sources which less expensive but the quality is not so good, so sometimes it can be damp, which you suggested. if cancelled can
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legislate to make sellers only sell properly dried wood, this would affect pollution levels but would presumably raise the price, so how would councils legislate against black marketed wood ? would councils legislate against black marketed wood? could you go and get kiln—dried wood where you are, is it really expensive? yes, compared to free! do you worry that what you are burning is not necessarily good for the environment? we don't burn things from jobs that we do like particulate boards or chipboard or anything with paint on or anything with tar or anything like that. we use lots of pallets, they are just everywhere in the countryside and people had to pay for them to be taken away, so they are quite pleased when you turn up and ask for two all three. it can be quite a confusing message? yes, but there are confusing message? yes, but there a re two confusing message? yes, but there are two separate issues, carbon and particulates. sustainably sourced wood is low carbon, the carbon is
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absorbed by the trees as they regrow. but particulate emissions can have a negative effect on human health. if we use the cleanest stoves, particulate emissions are dramatically reduced. katie, do you think wood burners are a problem?” think wood burners are a problem?” think there is no doubt that domestic fuel burning is a problem contributing to the wider air quality issue. 0ur concern is we do not want it to detract from the immediate important issue with road transport, which the government's own figures show is the major source of illegal levels of air pollution across the country. what the strategy fails to do is provide incentives and support to people to move away from just using vehicles. we need both cleaner vehicles and also fewer on the roads, that is where there remains a huge gap in government policy.
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i want to bring in louise goldsmith, the leader of west sussex council. thank you forjoining us this morning. what do you make of these plans by the government to give local government greater ability to dictate what we burn in our wood burners and open fires?” dictate what we burn in our wood burners and open fires? i think it isa burners and open fires? i think it is a very positive step. we all know everybody is worried about air quality, i congratulate the government for bringing this out. we are not in such urban areas, but we are not in such urban areas, but we are the second wooded area in the country. we have looked at burning wood and we know that if you have very well seasoned wood introducers the pollution if you are doing it in a woodburning stove. for us as a cou nty we a woodburning stove. for us as a county we are looking very heavily and investing in solar energy, as the sunniest county across the uk
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this is obviously an option. but anything that reduces the air quality, that'll help our residents, we are obviously up for. what about a point raised by greenpeace which said that michael gove, the environment secretary, is effectively acting local councils to go rent a garage forecourts, many people will be aware of those bags are very damp woods, and saying you can't have that. where will local governments find this extra money to enforce this? i have not seen all the detail and it is not the way it would work. the way you need to work with people is informing and changing behaviours, it is gradual. that is the approach we have taken on so many things. we only have to see how it has happened with smoking over the years, it is a big, big change. it is a nudge, it is not enforcing but it is informing. i think people want to take part in helping air quality in their
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community and i have great faith they will respond. thank you all ever so much for coming to speak to is this morning. coming up — irish voters go to the polls on friday to decide whether or not the laws on abortion should be lifted. we'll hear from people on both sides of the debate. the mood of the nation got worse over the past six months — that's according to sainsbury‘s living well index — a survey which asks eight thousand uk households how we can all live better day to day. so although wages and employment are on the up, the survey suggests that british households aren't feeling the benefits. so why is that, and what can we do about it? here to tell us all about the living well index — and also to talk about sainsbury‘s recently announced plans to merge with asda — is the chief executive of sainsbury‘s, mike coupe. thank you ever so much for coming in this morning. were you surprised by these findings? i guess one of the things you find to these types of surveys is how the mood of the nation changes. as you pointed out,
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the mood of the nation has dipped during the winter months and it would appearfrom during the winter months and it would appear from the survey that is a result of customer spending less time together, one of the things that comes out from the survey is being with people we know and love is very important, especially in how we interact. eating together is a big thing in people's lives that enhances their living well feeling. 0ne enhances their living well feeling. one of the things people talk about is how worried they are about money, people are worried about how far their money goes, it is such a huge pa rt their money goes, it is such a huge part of your industry and when you look at the likes of aldi and liddell, who are pulling in people with less money, as well as the middle classes who have more money and want to get the bargains, surely you have to start cutting the cost of products within your supermarket? —— when you look at the likes of al deanne lidl. we have lowered the price of around 1000 products in the last few weeks and invested more on pricing on things
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like meat and poultry. part of the business philosophy is to do everything we can to help customers live lives better, partly through reducing the price of what we sell. so our suppliers getting paid less? we are taking the hit, making business more efficient and looking at reducing our costs and working with suppliers to reduce the cost and our supply chains. by making our business more efficient we can invest in lowering prices, which makes us more competitive. so suppliers will be paid more? suppliers continue to work with this and remain profitable. lots of our suppliers have fantastic relationships with sainsbury‘s right the way through the supply chain. we work incredibly well with suppliers, we cannot be successful unless our suppliers are. they benefit from people shopping with sainsbury‘s. there is the merger with asda, you say you were hoping to reduce prices
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on many products by 10%, how? we are bringing two businesses together which both buy products from similar suppliers, many of which are large, multinational suppliers. the vast majority of things that both sainsbury‘s and asda sell come from very large companies, we believe we can equalise prices, bring together the pricing of both companies and passes benefit back to customers. in the living well index the cost of living is one of the key concerns and we think we can do a betterjob. so the coffee will be the same price in asda and sainsbury‘s? so the coffee will be the same price in asda and sainsbury's? we will bring together the buying prices... yes or no, it is easy. it is 18 months in the future, we will work on bringing better prices and quality to customers. many people will know you had quite an awkward moment when the announcement was made. let's have a look, for those who don't remember. # we're in the money.
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# we're in the money. # let's spend it, meant it, rolling along. # we're in the money. # we're in the money. # this guy is sony. # this guy is sony. # let's landed, splendid, send it rolling along. —— the sky is sony. luke let's lend it, spend it. that must be so embarrassing to mediate in to watch?” that must be so embarrassing to mediate in to watch? i have apologised, it is one of those things. you can imagine i had a fairly stressful 36 hours, doing 11 interviews in 30 minutes is quite stressful. i don't think anybody would mind you singing, it was the choice of song. i am the first to recognise it was unfortunate, but i get lots of e—mails from customers who think two things, one is that it was pretty unreasonable of itv to show it because it was clearly fair, and secondly that in the vast majority of cases, they think it is quite amusing. —— it was clearly
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offer air. quite amusing. —— it was clearly offerair. i quite amusing. —— it was clearly offer air. i held my hands quite amusing. —— it was clearly offerair. i held my hands up, it was an unfortunate mistake. you have pledged that this tie—up will bring nojob pledged that this tie—up will bring no job losses all store closures, can you guarantee that? in the shops, absolutely, we will keep all the stores open. we are going for a review through the competition authorities and will await the outcome, it is highly unlikely that the competition authorities would allow us to close any stores as a result of this transaction, so store collea g u es result of this transaction, so store colleagues will be secure in their jobs. we havejust bought argos, if you look at what we have achieved with that, we employ more people today than when the business was taken over, we think that is a good indication of our track record. mps have been getting in touch with the prime minister, asking her to intervene over your plan to change stuff contracts. you are scrapping paid breaks and premium pay on sundays for thousands of stuff. i
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know you are increasing basic pay, but it has been worked out better and 13,000 workers will lose around £3000 per year as a result of those changes. is that fair? in the last three years we have given our collea g u es three years we have given our colleagues a 12% pay rise on average, way above inflation, we propose to move collea g u es inflation, we propose to move colleagues from £8 an hour to £9.20 an hour. we are changing terms and conditions in some places as a result. less than ten people are affected in the way you have described. ten people? less than ten. we guarantee anybody worse off asa ten. we guarantee anybody worse off as a result will have their pay is secure for the next 18 months. we will continue to review as we go through. we think the way it has been publicised is a gross misrepresentation, we will be among the best players in the industry with the best terms and conditions and a very competitive environment. if you say nobody will be worse off,
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why do mps like david lammy, frank field, the shadow business secretary rebecca long bailey, they have written a letter describing the actions as deplorable?” written a letter describing the actions as deplorable? i think the way it has been interpreted as com pletely way it has been interpreted as completely wrong. we have increased wages by 12% over last three years and are moving our base rate of pay from £8 to £9.20 as a result of these changes. the vast majority of our colleagues will be significantly better off. i would stand by my track record in the way we have enabled colleagues, going back to the live well for less index, makea going back to the live well for less index, make a better lifestyle as a result of changes we have made. index, make a better lifestyle as a result of changes we have madem the last minute or so it is broken up the last minute or so it is broken up marks & spencer will close 100 stores by 2022 as it accelerates its transformation programme. it is a tough market. that reflects another conversation about colleague pay and conditions. myjob is to secure the lives and livelihood of the 195,000
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people who work for sainsbury's and the 100,000 people who rely on our business to pay their pensions. there are tough decisions to make to ensure we can do that. i am very proud of my track record of securing their employment and paying them amongst the best player in the retail industry, i think that is a fantastic thing to say. if you have been looking at the papers tesco are saying they will scrap best before dates on fruit and vegetables, not yea rs i dates on fruit and vegetables, not years i —— not use by the best before. it is that a good idea? years i —— not use by the best before. it is that a good idea7m isa before. it is that a good idea7m is a competitive market and we will see how that plays out. we think our track record in food raised is pretty good. but it is about me going to the supermarket and saying the strawberries are out of date in three days, maybe i should not eat them or give them to the children, i will throw them away and they will be fine for another 34—macro days. we would prefer to have a best before date and to mark the product down so that you can make a very
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deliberate choice to buy a product that might be at the end of its like, if you remove best before dates there is a danger that you tra nsfer dates there is a danger that you transfer a problem that we had to you as a customer, we had to be very thoughtful. we will see how it works out and we will review the situation. thank you, mike coupe. now the weather. and recycle and we consider it to be part of that. good morning, chloe. there is a fair bit of cloud around in the north. in the south we have sunshine but there is a risk of showers in the south through the of showers in the south through the of the day. 0vernight we have been pulling in quite a lot of low cloud from eastern scotland and northumberland. you will hold onto that today and it will depress temperatures, it will be colder than it was yesterday. but for the northern and western isles, western scotla nd northern and western isles, western scotland and eventually western parts of northern ireland we are looking at brighter skies. for england and wales, a lot of sunshine, cooler with the breeze on
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the coastline, and has become inland we are likely to see further showers develop throughout the day across southern england, the midlands and wales. some of those could be heavy and thundery. if you are going to the chelsea flower show today it should stay dry. we cannot com pletely should stay dry. we cannot completely rule out a shower, temperatures 22 or 23 compared to the 12 degrees we are looking at in aberdeen. hello, it's tuesday, it's 10am, i'm chloe tilley. 0n the anniversary of the manchester arena bombing pop star ariana grande has said her thoughts are with all those affected by the attack. 22 people were killed and hundreds were injured when a bomb was detonated at the end of her concert. survivors are sharing their stories. it's the thoughts of, "is there going to be another one at the entrance or the exits? shall we hide, will a gunman come in's and when you get on the street it's to the point where you were even thinking then, is there going to be
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a vehicle that is going to murder people down and is it going to continue?" we'll be talking to one woman who was in the foyer as the explosion happened. irish voters go to the polls on friday to decide whether or not the strict laws on abortion should be changed. we bring two together two students with opposing views — both of whom are travelling back to ireland from their studies abroad especially to vote being overly—vigilant about bugs and germs with your kids could trigger childhood leukaemia according to the leading leukaemia expert in the country — we'll be speaking to them live later in the programme good morning. it is 10:03am. here's joanna gosling in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. good morning. ariana grande has tweeted "thinking of you all" ahead of a day of remembrance to mark the first
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anniversary of the manchester arena attack. it's a year since a suicide bomber killed 22 people as they left ariana grande's concert at the manchester arena. 800 people were left with physical and psychological injuries. earlier on the show we spoke to one father who was injured in the bombing whilst waiting for his daughter. i am very lucky to be here. when i found out, i thought they have just crossed the line now because they targeted kids. i never thought they would target kids, it's the lowest of the low. some newsjust in — marks & spencer has just announced that it is to close 100 stores by 2022 as it accelerates a transformation programme. the retail giant is said to be focusing on more successful parts of its business such as food and moving away from areas such as clothing and homeware. local councils in england are expected to be given new powers to curb the use of wood burners to heat homes. it's part of a new clean air strategy — which sets out plans to reduce the level of harmful particles in the air, which can cause serious health problems. but some campaigners say the plans put too much responsibility on local
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councils to police the changes. the leader of west sussex council, louise goldsmith, told us they will try to work with local residents and businesses. where you will need to work with people is informing and changing behaviours. it's a gradual thing and that's the approach we have taken on so many things. you have only got to see how it has happened with smoking over the years. it is a big, big change and that is a nudge, it's not going round and enforcing but it's informing people and i think people wa nt to ta ke informing people and i think people want to take part in, you know, helping air quality in their community and i've got great faith they will respond. a bbc investigation has uncovered allegations of forced and illegal cross—border adoptions at a home run by catholic nuns in northern ireland. evidence suggests some children may have been moved out of the uk without their mother's consent from marianvale mother and baby home in newry. the catholic good shepherd sisters said adoptions were "conducted strictly in accordance
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with the legislation". the home closed in 1984. greater legal protection could be given to police drivers who are involved in a road crash during a pursuit. the home office is looking at reforms — which would affect forces in england and wales — after concerns among officers that they risk prosecution for careless or dangerous driving if they chase suspected criminals at high—speed. if they chase suspected criminals at high speed. the boss of facebook mark zuckerberg is due to appear before leaders of the european parliament today to discuss concerns about privacy. the meeting which was originally planned to be held in private, but in a change of plan, it will be streamed live online this evening. mr zuckerberg has refused an invitation to a similar hearing in this country. people in hawaii are facing fresh warnings over toxic fumes produced when molten rock flows into the ocean. the kilauea volcano on the big island started erupting on may 3rd but shows no signs of slowing.
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officials say two lava flows have reached the pacific, creating thick hazardous clouds which can cause irritation and breathing difficulties. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10:30am. thank you very much, joanna. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. ina in a moment we will be speaking about the case of somebody who was knocked down by a pensioner who was driving after he had been told he should not be driving. denise has beenin should not be driving. denise has been in touch to say a simple driving check test every few years
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would resolve the eyesight issues as well as the driving standards of all drivers not just well as the driving standards of all drivers notjust specific well as the driving standards of all drivers not just specific ages. well as the driving standards of all drivers notjust specific ages. this would make our roads a lot safer and identify and remove licences of those with poor eyesight and poor driving until they are deemed fit to drive again or hold a licence. we have had this comment anonymously, which is fine if you do not want to leave your name. it is essentially all elderly drivers have a compulsory sight test. we had terrible problems trying to persuade my dad to give up driving. his eyesight was very bad and he admitted he could only see to the end of the bonnet on the car and we even got to the doctor to have a word with him but that is all they could do. he had numerous small bumps in the car and only by the grace of god did he not have a serious accident. 0nly grace of god did he not have a serious accident. only three months after he eventually gave up driving he was declared blind. i shudder to think what could have happened and also wonder how many other elderly drivers are still driving when they physically should not be in charge ofa caron physically should not be in charge of a car on the road. thank you for getting in touch with those comments. continue sending them into
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a scene using the #victoria live. 0ver a scene using the #victoria live. over to the sports desk now with catherine. good morning. in the last hour it's been announced that tottenham striker harry kane will captain england at the world cup next month. it's not the first time kane has worn the captain's armband — he lead the side during last summer's world cup qualifer against scotland, and then a further three times after that. manager gareth southgate said kane has "belief and high standards" that will set an example to the rest of the team. there's been a suprise move from arsenal who are set to appoint spaniard unai emery as their new manager. he's spent the last two seasons in charge at paris saint germain and has been unanimously chosen by the decision makers at the emirates, overformer arsenal player mikal arteta. patrick gearey takes a look at emery‘s credentials. unai emery‘s big break in management came at valencia where he defied challenging financial circumstances to ta ke challenging financial circumstances to take them to third in la liga. there was then a less successful time at spartak moscow before he came back to spain to manage seville where he won europe's second
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competition the europa league three times ina competition the europa league three times in a row which impressed the rich french side paris st—germain. he missed out on the league in his first season but then they broke the world transfer record to sign neymar. this season psg won or three domestic trophies in france but haven't impressed in europe. he will move to his seventh job in management in his fourth different country now. let's get some reaction from an arsenal legend, their former striker, ian wright. unai emery had a load of money to be able to spend at psg. mm! he's meant to be coming to arsenal, a club of arsenal's stature, with 50 million and a bunch of players that have been very much playing, for me, in second gear. so his coaching ability is going to have to really get going instantly. and he's going to have to find some gems in the transfer market. ian wright on the task facing unai emery at arsenal. arsenal aren't the only club doing business in the managerinal market, west ham have hired the former
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manchester city boss manuel pellegrini. he takes over from david moyes, who left west ham last week. away from football. jos buttler says he considered quitting white ball cricket to try and force his way back into the england test set up. buttler‘s been focussed on the short form of the game for the last couple of years, but has now been brought back into the england test squad for the first time since 2016, and will play against pakistan later this week. and a mammoth task faces great britain's ice hockey players at next year's world championship — the draw has been announced today. they'll face canada, the usa and finland in the group stages — world heavyweights of the sport and teams packed with superstars. gb were only promoted to the world group for the first time last month — and given this draw, they've been given little chance of staying up. though they say they'll travel to slovakia for the tournament — aiming to surprise people once again. that's all the sport for now. thank you, catherine, we will speak
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to you again in half an hour. a year ago twenty two people who'd gone to watch an arianna grande concert in manchester were killed — the youngest of them was just eight. they died when a suicide bomber let off his device in the manchester arena foyer. more than 800 people were left with physical or psychological injuries. police have said the night will forever be etched in the city's history. this morning ariana grande posted a message on social media saying, "thinking of you all today and every day. i love you with all of me and am sending you all of the light and warmth i have to offer on this challenging day." fiona trott is at manchester cathedral where a commemoration will be held later today. take us through the day's events if you would. you can see that preparations are happening behind us for the special service at manchester cathedral which is due to start at 2pm. there will be a screen outside for people to hear what is happening inside the
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cathedral. hundreds of people are expected here in this part of the city centre later today. and of course big screens will also be at other cathedrals across the uk for them to watch what's happening here in manchester too, in york, glasgow and liverpool. the prime ministers expected to attend today. prince william too. let me tell you what the prime minister said about the attack. she said the targeting of the young and innocent as they enjoyed a carefree night out was an act of sickening cowardice, she has said. it was designed to strike at the heart of our values and our way of life with the aim of breaking our resolve and dividing us. it has failed, she said. when you speak to families here in manchester, you get a real sense that they feel exactly the same way. fiona, remind us about the same way. fiona, remind us about the on the police investigation. well, the main focus of the investigation at the moment is that prosecutors have asked for the brother of salman abedi, hashem, to
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be extradited to the uk. there is a warrant for his arrest. greater manchester police will tell you that negotiations in that regard are very delicate, they are still ongoing, that they also make it very clear the investigation is still very much ongoing here in the north—west of england. 100 officers are still working on the case, 23 people have been arrested. but really when you speak to families, what they will say is it's not about that today. they are not going to be thinking about the attacker. it's not about him. one mother has said that she will not even name him. she says that he doesn't even deserve that recognition. what today is about is them all coming together to reflect, to celebrate, as i've mentioned, and asi to celebrate, as i've mentioned, and as i say there is going to be a huge event also in another part of the city latest night in albert square, a big music event with around 3000 singers expected to perform their
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too. fiona, casting our minds back too. fiona, casting our minds back toa too. fiona, casting our minds back to a year ago and remembering how manchester came together so strongly, the real incredible power and strength of that city pulling together as one. it's a really hard day for manchester. people who were not even caught up in the events will find it difficult. do you get a sense there is a different kind of mood in the city today? absolutely so. you say about how much it affected people, let's not forget there were thousands at the arena that night, weren't there? we know of 800 people directly being treated for trauma, psychological trauma, physical trauma, but there will be people who were at the concert, first responders, who have been trying to come to terms with this for the past year. when we have spoken to families they told us they never will come to terms with it fully but they are able to manage it. they are able to manage it by having counselling. some of them, though, are still very, very angry, frustrated, why has the investigation taken so long? people
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have taken matters into their own hands. the father of saffie roussos, he says he wants a type of live aid concert where money can be raised for the victims of terror incidents in the future. each in their own way, people managing to come to terms with it one year on. but you are right, the feeling today is let's reflect on what happened, it has been a devastating year, it has also been a very frustrating year. but let's come together today as well and let's celebrate life. fiona, thank you very much, fiona trott speaking to us from manchester cathedral. alex brown, who's 21, was at the concert that night. she suffers from post—traumatic stress disorder as a result of what happened and has been getting support from bee happy 2gether, a charity set up by a mother who was also at the concert to help young people affected by trauma. it was the most amazing concert ever, and then we leftjust after the last song. we were about in the middle of the arena, and we walked around to the exit for the victoria station
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which then leads into the foyer. we were still on the concourse at the time, and then i don't really remember many people around us but then i just saw like, a massive fireball and i don't remember hearing anything either. then just saw something fly through the air, landed next to chris, and i knew that that person had definitely been really close to it because the way they looked, and later on we found out that it was actually the bomber himself. that has been unbelievable to come to terms with and deal with. alex, what. .. what goes through your mind at that moment? you say you have had the most
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amazing night, you are relaxed, this has been a celebration, and in a split second, everything changes. did you know what was happening, were you able to process what was happening at that point? i knew straightaway it was a bomb and an explosion. but, yes, it wasjust all really surreal. even afterwards when we were walking to get a tram back to our hotel, we were walking around and we had obviously been hit by blood and stuff. nobody seemed to take notice. it was really strange, it wasn't until i was on the tram and my friend phoned me to say are you 0k, and people on the tram turned around thinking, "why do they look like that?" it was really surreal. it still just seems a bit like a movie, to be honest,
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i haven't really processed at all yet. of course. i guess because you were in shock, that's what made you say, "i need to get out of here. we'lljust get on a tram, we'll just get away." yeah, well, ourfirst instinct was to just get away, we didn't know if something else was going to happen, we actually ran back into the seated part of the arena and then a man came in and shouted, "run!" to us. this was two seconds after it had just happened as well, so i was just freaking out. i thought "oh, my god, something else has happened." then we looked and realised other people who were in the arena were coming up the stairs to come out the doors and saw us and then they started to panic because of the way we looked. it was just pandemonium, really. trying to get out of the arena, down steps, there were people in wheelchairs and everything.
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it was just crazy. and you got back to your hotel that night. as you say, clearly you had blood on you, very, very traumatised, obviously. did you get any support in the hotel that night? what happened ? no, none at all. they sort of looked at us like we were talking a load of nonsense. charged us for some water. then we just went up to bed and the next day, we left, it was just like a drop your keys sort of thing and at that point we were just so traumatised that we just couldn't be bothered to make a fuss about anything, we just wanted to come back up to edinburgh and fife to come back to ourfamilies. being in edinburgh, being so far away from where the attack happened, were you able to get any support up there? we have had support, obviously, from our families,
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but i was able to get support through my university, heriot—watt university, and they have provided counselling and emd therapy. but i did have to take a year out of my uni studies, just to do with everything. —— just to deal with everything. but chris, he has not really had any support whatsoever from his gp or workplace or anything like that. he was told that basically there was nothing substantial available to him. if there was, he would be on a six to 12 month waiting list which i was told i would be on, if i had gone through the nhs, but i was lucky enough to get it through university. they've been absolutely amazing, i can't thank them enough for the amount of support they've me.
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—— given me. and what about support from the police? presumably you spoke to the police to give your witness statements? we didn't really hear anything until september, until i made a call and asked, why have we not been kept in the loop about things? we have heard nothing from manchester police. then itjust had turned out it was sort of a mistake, that we had not been contacted or recognised, but that has had an impact on how we have felt, we just sort of felt that we weren't really important enough, and felt like we should have been more important and more recognised, but, yeah. my therapist describes it as a second trauma, just because it felt just awful, it felt like we weren't... there was no point in us doing anything to help. and all of this time, you are trying
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to rebuild your lives, trying to come to terms with what you have experienced, which so few people will ever experience, thankfully. but has that made you feel isolated? yeah, definitely. i think a lot of people don't know how to approach the situation with me. sort of, people just distance themselves, they don't do it in a malicious way that unintentionally, it's hurtful because i'm still the same person, ijust maybe don't want to do things, i don't go out as much any more, like everybody at uni goes out and stuff, i have to prepare myself and i don't enjoy... i struggle to enjoy things as much as i did before. do you feel let down by the police, let down by the authorities in the way you've been treated? yes.
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with regards to the police, i have sort of worked to get over it, anyway. i'm still not ok with what happened but i've been able to come to terms with it. the authorities we have had no contact from, any scottish government or anything, and i feel like they should have maybe reached out and there's a lot less people in scotland than there is down in england that experienced that night. i feel they would have been able to get in contact with us, but unfortunately we've had nothing. i've been really let down by the mental health support that available in scotland, it'sjust like, unreal that this is not... in this day and age, that people cannot get the help that they need. mental health is such a massive thing in the community, there should definitely be more help instead of a six to 12 month waiting list orjust being told
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that there is basically nothing decent to support you. that's just so disappointing. i know you had to quit yourjob, but you have recently got a new one. you are also looking to finish your degree as well. are you starting to feel that you are getting more control back over your life? yeah, definitely. ijust felt i needed to get out of the workplace i was in because ijust wasn't enjoying it any more. i needed a change. i spent four months without a job, but i managed to get a new one and i absolutely love it. the people there are so supportive. i could not ask for better people to work with. going back in september to do my final year of my degree. it's difficult at the moment because i'm seeing everyone graduate, and thinking, "i wish that was me." yeah, ifeel much more positive and i'm starting to enjoy things more.
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a moment where i thought, "i am absolutely having the time of my life and i don't care about anything, ifeel safe, i'm enjoying the time and the people i am with." it was the most amazing feeling because i've not felt like that in so long. and for the future? and for the future... just want to be happy. just continue enjoying life and not taking anything for granted any more. we probably did a lot of that before. this year, it's been up—and—down and all over the place but we have become much stronger and i'm so proud of everything that we've done and i think we have achieved a lot over the past year, more than any 21—year—old should probably have to experience, and the decisions i've had to make any actions we've had to take and everything,
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i am so unbelievably proud of how far we've come over the past year. chief superintendent simon barraclough, leading the investigation into the attack at manchester arena, said, "the attack in manchester caused devastation to so many lives. during the last 12 months, the investigation team have been touched by the grace and dignity of those who have suffered so much following this attack. we are very sorry for the delay in getting to some people and we are grateful for the way people have responded with understanding about the complexity and vast scale of the investigation." still to come... why super clean homes and being over the top about germs with your kids could trigger childhood leukaemia. that's according to one of britain's leading scientists. you'll hearfrom him before the end of the programme. irish voters go to the polls on friday to decide whether or not the laws on abortion should be lifted. at the moment a woman can only
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have a legal termination there if her life is at risk. many irish people living overseas are travelling back home to vote because a postal vote isn't possible, we'll be talking to two of them in a moment. but first, these are the issues they will be voting on. let's talk to blathin carroll, a student in london that is travelling home to dublin to vote yes, and sarah gillespie, who cut short a scholarship in america to come back to ireland to vote no. thank you both forjoining us today. blathin, firstly, explain why this is so important that you feel you had to go back home to god?” is so important that you feel you had to go back home to god? i find it so, so important to go home for me, particularly. i have been involved in the repeal campaign for a few years since i entered university, not only do i think it isa university, not only do i think it is a right for me to exercise my democratic right to vote macro, but also i think that to go home to vote
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yes is so pertinent for me, because this is my experience. the eighth amendment affects me directly, my friends, it affects people i don't know. i really believe i should go home to vote, to have my say and my voice heard about this injustice and inequality that women face in ireland. for you, sarah, presumably you have that same strength of feeling but on the other side of the debate? i do. i believe it is very much a moral issue, i think it is a fundamental human right to life, including the right to life of the mother and the unborn baby. the eighth amendment protects the life of both mother and baby, morally i think this is very important for everybody who can vote to vote, read the legislation and see what they find is morally right. it is extremely important for everyone to vote on such a divisive and serious issue. there, what would you say to
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people who say this is completely out of step with so many other forward—thinking western democracies? this is an old—fashioned law that needs to be changed? it's the case in many other countries that abortion is legal but that doesn't change the fact that you are killing an unborn baby. the legislation in ireland is very extreme. in other countries the proposed legislation was always slow, you know, abortion would have come ina slow, you know, abortion would have come in a lot slower whereas this is 12 weeks and restricted abortion for any reason, that's three months pregnancy, and then six months on very unspecific mental health grounds. so it is an extreme legislation and i think the country... our country... ireland is amazing, its progressive, we voted
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in the marriage referendum in 2015 which i voted yes for and i was so happy. so we are moving forward but that doesn't mean that this is fundamentally the next right thing to do in this country. blaithin, lots of people will say in ireland there is huge support for the no campaign. what we heard from sarah saying this is the right of the unborn child and somebody must stand up unborn child and somebody must stand up and speakfor unborn child and somebody must stand up and speak for them. yeah, i think we are seeing a lot of support for the yes vote also particularly from young people. the recent poll came out that 56% are in favour of a yes vote. and while polls are not necessarily... the outcome isn't the same, we can see that there is strong... a lot of young people really wa nt strong... a lot of young people really want to see a progressive and modern ireland that treats women fairly. we are living in the past with this legislation. personally, i believe. i think that abortion is
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health care. without abortion and exploring our issues we are not living in reality, and the reality is that abortion is health care and abortion is a reality in ireland that we are sweeping under the carpet and that's not fair. you raised the issue that this is something particularly for young people that they are supporting the repeal. here in the uk brexit was a huge divide for many families and forfriends. is this referendum dividing families and friends back home? i'd say in some instances yes, it would be abnormal that that occurs. there are people in every family, be it immediate or extended, that do have people that have differing political stances on repeal. so i don't think it's abnormal. there is people in my family voting no and we respectful. i think that's really key, to listen
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and to respect. and what about for you, sarah, do you find difficult conversations, disagreements with people within your family all within your friendship groups? well, yes, exactly, it's interesting. it is the case you will meet and be friends with people, a lot of my friends are undecided and some of them are voting no, but the whole thing is respect and being open and being able to listen to each other. being able to listen to each other. being able to listen to each other. being able to see each other's point of view and being respectful of that. there is no point in arguing. it's a lot more about discussion and being respectful. so i completely agree. the entire country is quite divided over it. listen, thank you for talking to us today. that vote will ta ke talking to us today. that vote will take place on friday. still to come, i will speak to the parents of poppy—arabella who are campaigning for a change in the law. she was
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knocked down by a car driven by a 72—year—old man who had been warned his eyesight made him unfit to drive. more detail on the news that marks & spencer plan to close 100 stores by 2022. time for the latest news — here's joanna gosling. thank you. ariana grande has tweeted "thinking of you all" ahead of a day of remembrance to mark the first anniversary of the manchester arena attack. it's a year since a suicide bomber killed 22 people as they left ariana grande's concert at the manchester arena. 800 people were left with physical and psychological injuries. local councils in england are expected to be given new powers to curb the use of wood burners to heat homes. it's part of a new clean air strategy — which sets out plans to reduce the level of harmful particles in the air, which can cause serious health problems. but some campaigners say the plans put too much responsibility on local councils to police the changes. the leader of west sussex council, louise goldsmith, told us they will try to work with local residents and businesses. marks & spencer has announced
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plans to close 100 stores by 2022 as it accelerates a programme to shift more of its sales online. m&s has so far closed 21 stores in a restructuring programme which began in 2016. it's reducing the space devoted to clothing and home products, and has identified 1a more stores for closure. a spokesperson said the closures were vital for the future of m&s. an australian court has found a catholic archbishop guilty of concealing child sexual abuse in the 1970s. philip wilson, the archbishop of adelaide, becomes the most senior catholic in the world to be charged and convicted of the offence. he was found guilty of covering up the abuse of altar boys by a paedophile priest colleague in new south wales. people in hawaii are facing fresh warnings over toxic fumes produced when molten rock flows into the ocean. the kilauea volcano on the big island started erupting
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on may 3rd but shows no signs of slowing. officials say two lava flows have reached the pacific, creating thick hazardous clouds which can cause irritation and breathing difficulties. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you very much, joanna. here's some sport now with katherine. totte n ha m tottenham striker harry kane has been named england captain for the world cup next month and gareth southgate believes he has the belief and high standards required for the job. he will be england's youngest captain ata job. he will be england's youngest captain at a world cup. aresenal are set to appoint a new manager to replace arsene wenger — and the name in the frame is unai emery. he's guided paris st—germain to one league title and four domestic trophies during seasons in charge — favourite for thejob had been former arsenal player mikel arteta. there's a new manager at west ham too — former manchester city boss manuel pellegrini will take over, replacing david moyes. he's signed a three—year deal.
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and away from the comings and goings in football — jos buttler says he considered quitting white—ball cricket in order to regain his place in england's test side. he's earned a call—up for this week's first test against pakistan — which he says is a fantastic surprise and an incredible opportunity. that's all the sport for now. thank you very much. in the next few minutes we will speak to the parents ofa minutes we will speak to the parents of a three—year—old girl who was knocked over on a pedestrian crossing and killed by an old driver who had been told just a few weeks earlier that he should not be driving because his eyesight was so poon driving because his eyesight was so poor. lots of you getting in touch about whether we should be testing people more often, whether it is eyesight tests, whether it should be driving tests. mike e—mailed, eve ryo ne driving tests. mike e—mailed, everyone keeps going on about elderly drivers but it's everyone keeps going on about elderly drivers but its young drivers who have the most accidents.
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ask the insurance companies. everyone should have periodic eye tests. hgv and psv drivers must have a compulsory medical. why not all drivers? anthony e—mailed to say: a situation and elderly uncle i look after insisted on carrying on driving even though he had had a stroke and was quite frankly incredibly incompetent behind the wheel in addition. despite my objections to the dvla my uncle obtained approvalfrom objections to the dvla my uncle obtained approval from his objections to the dvla my uncle obtained approvalfrom his gp objections to the dvla my uncle obtained approval from his gp who has never seen him drive saying he was fit and well and should retain his licence. it was only by the grace of god my uncle only had a minor accident in the short period between driving again post his stroke and his car being stolen. keepers coming throughout the morning. we are grateful for those, #victorian life. as he had been hearing marks & spencer is to close 100 stores by 2022 as part of radical turnaround plan for the business. the retailer is reducing the space devoted to clothing and home products. our business correspondent lisala pa pa,
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correspondent lisala papa, —— vishala sri—pathma is here. correspondent lisala papa, —— vishala sri-pathma is here. they have announced 1a stores will be closed as part of the bigger plan of closing 100 stores by 2022 so they have quite a few thoughts of the locations named today include bayswater in london, darlington, newmarket, stockton, walsall to name a few. there is more on our website on those locations. it wasn't a huge surprise because markets expected it so they had slightly priced it in, 21 stores have already been shut so it is all part of this consolidation to keep the business a bit tighter. remind us why because food has historically done well and clothing. it has but they have said they will scale back on the simply food stores as well so they are trying to move in the direction other retailers are doing towards online. john lewis, for example, in terms of fashion and home where sales, that accounts for 39% and marks & spencer has 17% say
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they have some catching up there. in terms of market value looking at the ftse100 it has had a really horrible time the last 12 months, it hasn't done well, one of the seven worst performers of the ftse100 in the last 12 months so investors are not entirely happy with the store either. this might be a dim question but if they are trying to increase the amount of homeware stuff you are buying. you need stores for people to look at it, or do we just buy things online now? figures seem to indicate we are tending to shift our patterns of consumption online. homeware is interesting. made.com, interestingly, have a store in london where you can go and look at it and london where you can go and look at itand go london where you can go and look at it and go and buy online. i doubt it because marks & spencer is a big institution on the british high street and people like to go in and have a look and knows around but maybe they are not spending the money, just window shopping. are they changing the sort of offer they
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have. there was always the joke that you go into marks & spencerfor your underwear but nothing else clothes wise. some people have been critical, women have been critical of the clothes they have had. are they trying to sort it out? they haven't revealed the plans and strategies over the target markets they want to reach but over the yea rs they want to reach but over the years they have tried to reach younger markets, the range called per una was an attempt to target the trendier generation, competing with topshop and things like that but there has not been too much growth in that area. interesting to see what they do and we will hear more from marks & spencer this week. allowing your children to live a germfree life by being over the top about germs and cleanliness could lead to leukaemia according to one of britain's leading scientists and he will be sharing the findings of
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his research. rachel and phil clarke lost their three—year—old daughter poppy—arabella after she was knocked down by a car on a pedestrian crossing in july 2016. the car was driven by a 72—year—old man who had just weeks earlier been warned that his eyesight made him unfit to drive. despite this he was driving that day, and not even wearing his glasses. the clarkes are now campaigning for a change in the law and their local mp — labour's jack dromey — has written to the prime minister asking for her to support the clarkes' campaign. they are asking for it to be made compulsory for all motorists taking their driving test to have an eye examination. there should then be a requirement to have regular eye tests at shorter intervals as drivers get older. the family also want there to be a professional duty for medical professionals to notify the dvla if they are treating a patient who they believe is not safe to drive. let's speak with rachel and phil now. thank you forjoining us. i'm sorry
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iam thank you forjoining us. i'm sorry i am having to meet you in such sad circumstances. first of all, tell me about poppy—arabella. circumstances. first of all, tell me about poppy-arabella. we were so proud of her. she was incredibly kind. she was hilariously funny. everybody in the community knew who she was. she would stop and dance in the street. she was regularly dancing when there were buskers in the town centre. she was known to just walk up to any child coming along and say, "i like your dress." she was a very popular girl. it is an immense tragedy what has happened to her because what could she have become? what could she have done with her life? she has touched so many people. on a day to day basis before this tragedy. she was well loved and we are very proud of her.
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what happened on that day?” loved and we are very proud of her. what happened on that day? i was taking poppy—arabella to nursery and left the house a0 minutes early for a journey that is around 50 minutes around the corner and i had poppy on her bike at the traffic lights and she was wearing a helmet, she was on her bike either side of me and i was leaning over her holding her handlebars and she was holding onto me. we pressed the button and checked there were no cars coming from other cars on the side were stationary, the green man illuminated, the sound bleeping and we proceeded to cross and we looked, andi we proceeded to cross and we looked, and i acknowledged the gentleman on the first car at this side and looked back up again and suddenly there was a car approaching me. i looked down to try and move myself and looked up again and he was bang, straight through, he ran through the red light, poppy—arabella went right underneath his car. she was hit obviously in the head. and i went over and hit the top of his car. the
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driver continued through the red light and didn't stop and was brought to stop by a gentleman who was about five back to my left in the traffic. so you were hurt as well? yes. and for you, you find out about your daughter and wife were injured, they we re daughter and wife were injured, they were in separate hospitals?” daughter and wife were injured, they were in separate hospitals? i was met at my place of work by two police officers who said the news, insta ntly you police officers who said the news, instantly you know it will be very serious because of two officers turning up, they immediately rush me to birmingham children's hospital. i did not know, other than rachel was alive, her status. unfortunately after spending several hours with poppy—arabella, singing to her, we we re poppy—arabella, singing to her, we were told by the doctor that the brain damage was so severe, although they got her heart pumping independently, she was not able to have any cognitive function so i
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just signed all of her songs that we a lwa ys just signed all of her songs that we always sang to her. —— ijust sang all of her songs. i told her memory was coming, the hospital was very kind to bring rachel across and we managed to spend time with before she passed away in front of us. take yourtime, and if she passed away in front of us. take your time, and if you want to stop, of course you can. i do not want to make this any worse for you. this is such a horrendous situation. clearly you have recovered, that is fantastic, but how long after losing poppy—arabella did it become clear who the driver was that it was not an accident? when it happens, i particularly thought he had had a heart attack or a stroke or something at the wheel. because i was informed of his age. then it was about two months into the investigation that we were then explain to that he had failed his
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eyesight tests three weeks prior to the collision, he had failed his eyesight test wearing his glasses and did not put those glasses on on the day, left those glasses at home. and just drove straight through the red light. and wasn't aware of what had happened? he had been told by his optometrist that the eyesight condition he had fell far below the standard requirement. therefore he should have stopped driving immediately. he was advised this proceeded to argue with the optometrist, with the dispensing optician and the actual optometrist, and he chose to continue to drive. the worrying thing is this could happen today? there is no law that says if you are advised after an eye test not to drive that you have to stop driving? of course this is what you want to change? correct. there
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are at least nine i related deaths a day from drivers. it isn'tjust us. the confusion is people we have spoken to is that so many people think that the doctor or the optometrist will inform the dvla if you are medically unfit to drive, if you are medically unfit to drive, if you will be a danger to yourself and others, that is not the case and you are simply asked to put your license forward to be surrendered. and if somebody chooses not to forget humans carry on driving, at the moment these tragedies will continue. for us, a change in the law is, we believe, something very standard. i have a copy of the letter from labour's jack toomey, yourmp, who letter from labour's jack toomey, your mp, who has written to prime minister theresa may to outline what you said, that there needs to be a change in the law. many people watching this would say it is obvious? it is really obvious. when we found that this was the reason
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behind it, it was a shock to us. because it is so obvious. 0bviously with jack dromey, our solicitors and the charities involved, we put together this survey and we are basically trying to ask the general public to come on board and support us with this and to ensure this does not happen again to an adult or a child, because we don't want anyone to go through what we have had to endure in the last two years. we have had many e—mails from people saying they have had to have those difficult conversations with elderly relatives and it would be so much easier if there was a change in the law. thank you both for speaking to us today. thank you very much. thank you. the public inquiry into last year's fire at grenfell tower will hear statements from families of the 72 people known
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to have lost their lives, as the inquiry moves into its second day. the first commemoration hearing was for debbie lamprell — who lived in flat 161. michael volpe of holland park 0pera read this statement on behalf of debbi's mother miriam lamprell we were an incredibly close and happy family. we love to debbie, and she was devoted to us. we... we were blessed with debbie in a way that is very special. she lived at home to us, but the travelling to west london, especially late at night or very early in the morning, got to be too much. it wasn't particularly safe for a young woman travelling on her own, so she moved out to be near her own, so she moved out to be near her work. i was always worried about her work. i was always worried about her living in the bedsits, or the studio flats, as she called it. it
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was not appropriate for somebody in her 30s who worked so hard. the thick -- her 30s who worked so hard. the thick —— the conditions were not good and i badgered her to put her name down with the council to get somewhere proper to live, somewhere safe and decent. 0f somewhere proper to live, somewhere safe and decent. of course it feels terrible to have done that now, because she was given the flat in g re nfell because she was given the flat in grenfell. she loved her little flat and kept it lovely, but the refurbishment became a nightmare. she had problems with the electricity, problems with the heating. she was very upset about having the boiler in the corridor rate when you open the front door. that was very upsetting to her. but i used a thing, well, at least when igo, she i used a thing, well, at least when i go, she has a roof over her head. —— buti i go, she has a roof over her head. —— but i used to think. ultra—clean homes can trigger childhood cancer, that's according to a new study by the institute of cancer research. it claims that a child's immune system needs to be exposed to various germs and infections in order to prime it for battling more serious diseases. the research suggests that leukaemia can be triggered by a variety of infections in babies whose immune systems have not been properly exposed to germs and the disease
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could be preventable. professor mel greaves from the institute of cancer research led the study. hejoins me from south london now. thank you for your time this morning. are we going as far as to say that some childhood leukaemias are preventable? yes, that's whatever research suggests. we are talking about a particular type of leukaemia which accounts for something like 75% of all cases, it is that faction that formed into this class which seem to be connected with infection and, paradoxically, lack of infections. and so... parents will listen to this sound they made them feel that there is a sense of parents blaming going on, saying we are getting it
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wrong and we are potentially causing illness in our children? i'm very wa ry illness in our children? i'm very wary about that, that is the very last thing we want parents to think. it is absolutely nothing to do with blaming parents. this is a cancer that tracks internationally with socioeconomic development. the risk as to do with the way society has changed, not individual families. the risks factor to do with the number of siblings, the length of breast—feeding and a lot to do with social contact of young infants, which is the route by which they acquire beneficial bacteria. it is nothing to do with parents' irresponsible behaviour, it is a natural behaviour we all indulge in in modern, affluent societies. studio: tell us about the benefits of breast—feeding and having siblings? what the studies have suggested, the epidemiological aspects, alongside the biology, is that parents who develop this leukaemia are less likely to have
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been breast—fed for three months or more, less likely to have attended daycare centres or crashes and are more likely to be first—born rather than later in the sibling order. —— daycare centres all creches. these are commissioned with the idea that you need social contact to provide these beneficial microbes. goodbyes when i was growing up my gran said you have to eat a pile of mud before you have to eat a pile of mud before you die, is that something really to sign up to again. —— you die, is that something really to sign up to again. -- when i was growing up, my gran said.” sign up to again. -- when i was growing up, my gran said. i don't think it is dirt, there was nothing about mixing with other children thatis about mixing with other children that is intrinsically dirty, it is to do with changes in social conduct and lifestyles. the idea of dirt is similar. we have become overzealous about cleanliness and antiseptics and have gone too far, but there are enormous benefits over the last hundred years in eradicating dangerous infectious diseases, but we think this type of leukaemia is
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an unanticipated consequence of that overzealous cleaning. what would your advice be to parents of newborn babies right now? what would you say they should do? we had to wait a while to translate this. in the meantime, parents will ask the question you just post me and i think the advice is common sense. particularly to encourage social contacts between their infants in the first year of life and other infa nts, the first year of life and other infants, particularly other older children, wherever possible, especially when you have a small family group ora especially when you have a small family group or a first—born, make sure they have more contact and do not worry or overly fuss about mild infectious disease. thank you for speaking to us, very grateful to you. a labrador has become an unlikely foster parent to nine ducklings. they were found waddling around the grounds of mountfitchet castle in essex, with their mother nowhere to be seen.
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staff took them inside as they were too young to fend for themselves. them under his... paw. an annual eye test, driver i have an annual eye test, eve ryo ne driver i have an annual eye test, everyone should do it, no matter what your ages. thanks for your comments this morning. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. good morning. we have plenty of dry and bright weather across england and bright weather across england and wales at the moment. many of us basking in the sunshine, such as this in worcestershire from our weather watch a short time ago. however, we do not have the blue skies everywhere, it is in the north—east of england, toward scotla nd north—east of england, toward scotland and northern ireland, where there is a fair amount of cloud. while it will be a bit more chilly
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here compared to yesterday, in the far north—west of scotland, parts of northern ireland with brighter skies, it will be a bit warmer than yesterday. later, heavy and perhaps thundery showers moving into the south—east of england, for most of england and wales the temperatures are written to the high teens and low 20s. tonight we will continue to see some coastal mist and low clouds drifting further west, meaning that for centre and eastern parts it might start out quite cloudy on wednesday, but the mist and murkiness will break up about will be sunny spells developing into the afternoon. warm and sunny for most of us on wednesday. this is bbc news.
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i'm annita mcveigh live in manchester as the city prepares to remember those who died here a year ago today. the headlines at 11. events are held to mark the first anniversary of the manchester arena suicide bombing in which 22 people were killed during a concert attended by thousands of children and young people. at first, i thought it was a balloon because she let down loads of balloons, like, that big. and then i heard a girl in front of me shout, "it's a bomb." prince william and theresa may will attend a memorial service this afternoon in manchester cathedral, and there will be a mass sing—along in the city's albert square this evening. i'm joanna gosling.
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