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bonnet. my guest recently described himself as a cyber. a boxer, maybe? actually no. south african chad le clos is a swimmer with a bagful of an olympic medals. the latest was at the london 2000 olympics, when he beat michael phelps. so growing up in south africa, where football, by in south africa, where football, rugby union, and cricket are keen, what led him to unleash his fighter‘s spirit in the pool? —— —— are king. and chad le clos, welcome to extra

time. i mentioned your approach to swimming in the introduction. to finish the quote, i will add the more i believe, the moro fight. that is the way i swim. so how did you that mentality? thank you for having me on the show. it is interesting to me on the show. it is interesting to me know. when i was younger, i have this mentality, i think south africans, the harder and hit, the harder comeback. —— iron hit. iwas comparing to the movie southpaw, i do you see that. i came from that kind of programme, where the harder i was hit, the harder i was hit comedy hurricane i came at you. and with a change of not mentality but harnessing my skills now and be more technical, and learning how to box cleverly, as they say, the more... will come to that later, but you

mentioned the south african mentality. but what about the personal element of this. reasonable, i'd like an idea out of the air. we bullied at school? and yourfamily life? the air. we bullied at school? and your family life? there might the air. we bullied at school? and yourfamily life? there might be some bahebeck, but some toughlove, too. from a young age a hated losing. me and my father a very close. he taught me everything i know when it came to sport and life itself. you have to be tough, i think, especially in this boardgame. you need to be the best version of yourself you can be. to me, i have hated losing. that is where stem from, a young age. you could have been a professional footballer. from, a young age. you could have been a professionalfootballer. who knows? but there was a moment when you decide football was not to you personally was. had that happen?” was very young. being from south africa, football, rugby, cricket, these were the main sports. i came

from a sporting background, a football background, and until i was 13 or 1a, just before high school, i was playing for the junior south african team. at the time i was going for that state or whatever you call it here. finally enough, this shows the greatest of my dad. he could read football background, never knew him as swimming, but saw that i have more potential in swimming, and guided me towards swimming. he did not make the decision for me but saw that they did not necessarily have a future in football and guided me into making that decision. you have made a good bit of money, of course, but that it would have made more in football. definitely more money in football. swimming isa definitely more money in football. swimming is a solitary and lonely sport. and not one, one would imagine, that would capture the imagination of a young boy. exactly that. i think the meaty biggest moment it was in 2004, one saw

michael fulton first time. —— michael fulton first time. —— michael phelps for the first time. i was 11 years old and i was so captivated by how he swam and 16 goals. where he dominated. in my mind, iwanted goals. where he dominated. in my mind, i wanted to be that guy. be that kind of champion inside the pool that kind of champion inside the pool. that is where it all started for me and where the dream really began to take shape. the letter to my dad that day that i am going to go against in one day and beat him. and eventually you did. but before we get there, let's talk about the kind of training facilities that you had in south africa. you come from durban. they were pretty rudimentary, what they? not the kind of sophisticated facilities that might be available in america or australia or in europe, as well. absolutely. i don't want to say anything too bad about south africa because that may be a champion. if i could change some is when i was

growing upa could change some is when i was growing up a might not be the same person today. the facilities that they came from and the hardships growing up, but in saying that, as well, i feel you get growing up, but in saying that, as well, ifeel you get to growing up, but in saying that, as well, i feel you get to a growing up, but in saying that, as well, ifeel you get to a certain level where, with respect, you make it to the olympic champion level and you deserve to train in world—class facilities. you would not necessarily ask david beckham or any of those guys to trade on a mud pitch every day. that is the saving us pitch every day. that is the saving us go through 41617 years. i decided to make the changes before the 2016 olympic games, and is coach at the time, you know, iam looking olympic games, and is coach at the time, you know, i am looking very change. after this would be games, whatever the result is, ijust want to be in an environment where it is a more professional environment where i can harness my skills and taken to the next level. yes, yes. but the kind of facilities you were training in, and pulls with cracked tiles, these sorts of things... training in, and pulls with cracked tiles, these sorts of things. .. but

it is the start. just shows how difficult it was in those days. you would come in on monday morning and there would be chicken bones on the bottom of the floor. there would be, yes, flying ants, lane ropes cracked, the pool had audi on the bottom will stop you know, like... —— algae. bottom will stop you know, like... -- algae. that is a health and safety issue. i don't think any americans or british were jumping there, to be honest. here is a quote from a documentary, unbelievable, which is very entertaining and you said at the end of the day, are you like the facilities, the hardships that i gone through my career and life have made me who i am. the difficult to make you mentally tougher than the other guys can presumably the americans are australians. you feel strongly about that? yes, my mentality has or is there one again on the block i know that i am mentally one up on it reveals is because they have done things that nobody else has done. ab i pride myself on being the hardest

trend in the world, but maybe those who trained i would not say harder than me, but when you get to that level, i have had to do so much different stuff. i have had to go in swimming pools at 22 degrees, training to the olympic games, where some of these guys don't even jump in nepal and as it is 2625 degrees. i know i have done things others haven't. that makes me more confident what i can do. and because of the last ten metres, i know there is nowhere that they can beat me. -- jump is nowhere that they can beat me. -- jump in the pool. eusebius trillions and americans are pampered in terms of the facilities that they have at their disposal? i would not say that. but i would say that i best of a bad situation. i would not say that they are necessarily soft already begun because they are great. i wish i had those facilities growing up. i wasjust about to ask you that. because it is on its head and say if you have first—class facilities in south africa, maybe you would not be this will make you become. do you think that is right?

absolutely. but nobody knows. my dad told me amid the best of any situation. that is will be a wizard. never complained about where we came from. i remember where i came from. i always go back and visit everybody there. to me it isjust about be i always go back and visit everybody there. to me it is just about be the best version of myself and you can be. windows or draw at the olympics, i have a lot of give of his going into the big gains. but they never made an excuse. the me, i was unhappy about. i did not come out of that making excuses. —— win, lose, or draw. with respect, if a lot of other people went through what i went through, they would not make it to the blocks. you've bowe bergdahl about your father. one about family life as you are growing up? as i understand it, the family schedule in terms of mealtimes and maybe even in terms of mealtimes and maybe even in terms of mealtimes and maybe even in terms of the siblings, so your siblings getting a cold, they would be banished from the house, everything geared effectively towards tried to create a world swimming champion. exactly that.

yes, iam particular swimming champion. exactly that. yes, i am particular about that. swimming champion. exactly that. yes, iam particular about that. it is bad because some as they go overseas for weeks at a time, and my mother got a clue in the week before, or in week before, and i wouldn't see her. i would eat in a different room. so for me, yes, it was quite weird. looking back on everything, we really made it as professional as we could with what we had. so my family, and thankful for everything they have given me, obviously. you cannot get more professional than winning a gold level in the london olympics in the 200 metres butterfly. take is to the moment on the block. you are waiting there, waiting for the gun. what goes through your mind at that point? in that particular race?” mean, it was a shareware day. i will ta ke mean, it was a shareware day. i will take you back earlier. i was ticking off... it was a calm day to me. me and my coach bo.? —— me and my

coach, too. we were confident in what we could do. it was a weird feeling. i run the looking down and at my reflection, and thinking in 2—and—a—half minutes of a strict time, like to be different. that is a profound thought to have when you're about to engage in physical activity, isn't it, do anything?m is crazy. i look back at some of my races, special olympic gold, and getting about that day, because the crowd that there was unbelievable. because it was michael phelps' 10th consecutive year winning it. yes exactly, are defeated.” consecutive year winning it. yes exactly, are defeated. i was 20 yea rs exactly, are defeated. i was 20 years old. those of the games. i was taking in the atmosphere. visit anyone i could do. there is a dither

is be know what you can do it, and at the end of the day, when you're standing on the blocks, i would be lying if i did not say that i would not have taken if you points. in that moment, even if it is restorick, i believe i can beat you. but you realise the magnitude of vim and vigor is when you actually arrive there and you see all the champions with medals. some of fault at the quarter—final stage and you just think they are some of the best and it is such an honour to be there on the stage in london. but it is important not to be overawed by that, isn't that? exactly. to me, the same as with michael, he had this sense of inevitability rate, an aura of greatness, which he obviously has. but the one of the reasons that i was able to beat him was because i was not afraid of that. i have never been afraid of

everybody. i humbly say this, you know? one is the polyglot, whoever it is, whether it is a young guy or one of the older guys, even if he is better than me, i still believe he is going down, you know? so it is almost like over the years, like mike tyson, when he was in the position where it to the special guide to come up against him. let's talk about those first two legs and then beyond that, the third length and the fourth. you are still in touch with michael phelps, but he is still on the turn before the fourth legs, still ahead, is at the? exactly. my strategy was fought street banks and to be met is a game. —— was fought three lengths. to me, that is the way were training and we would, with techniques. —— some with t—shirts on will stop —— for. —— some with t—shirts on. just

for. —— some with t—shirts on. just for the drag. it was about preparing to that last 45 metres. it is a new commuter mistress that would be the difference. olympic final, against a quy difference. olympic final, against a guy like michael, who was, had me say this? he would not expect somebody like me to be pressing him coming down the stretch. yes. some have remarked, and i'm interested in your reaction to this, that in his failure to touch as quickly as he should have done, he lost the race. you didn't read it. how do you react to that? everybody can see the renting. five hundredths of a second was the difference. of course. but at the end of the day, if i was on the other end of the stick, there is certainly luck on part of it. he had the same race when he won gold. auc and you are lucky to win gold?” the same race when he won gold. auc and you are lucky to win gold? i am

not saying that i was lucky. there was an element of luck. all those yea rs was an element of luck. all those years and is 51 hundredths and the sacrifices that are made in those early mornings in the pool, at the end of the day, a figure was destiny. i was destined. i dreamt that moment was such a long time. and did not realise that ausgrid that lorette traction that may become true. it is that manifest in my mind forso become true. it is that manifest in my mind for so long. —— law of attraction. i dreamt of as his eyes to be sold. ijust envision myself raising him a butterfly and beat him. that isjust raising him a butterfly and beat him. that is just what they were thought would happen, you know? there a sense of destiny in this, and enormous pleasure it must have given not only you but your parents as well there is an online hit, i do not know how many hits it has, an interview with your father that the bbc did, i think he is almost more ofa bbc did, i think he is almost more of a celebrity than you are. my

family are the strongest family and all the difficulties and the times that we have had, that they have been supporting me and win, lose or draw, they always been part of me and obviously, you saw my dad ‘s reaction, and may siblings and mother are just reaction, and may siblings and mother arejust as proud. reaction, and may siblings and mother are just as proud. this rivalry did develop and took a slightly nasty didn't it? on one hand, you talked about how he is your friend, hand, you talked about how he is yourfriend, on the hand, you talked about how he is your friend, on the other hand you took dig in 2015 after winning the 100 metre fly, is said ijust did a time he has not done in four years, so time he has not done in four years, so he can keep quiet now. you regret that kind of aggressive... it is sunni say that, i have been wanting to clear this up the years. exclusively on the bbc. he was talking about how the butterfly events were talking about how the butterfly eve nts we re very talking about how the butterfly events were very slow since he has

been retired, which was a bit of a dig at me since i was winning the butterfly events. i was pumped up when i am one race and i think i was talking to one of the american channels, nbc, and they were asking how do you feel about this? are saying look, guys, it actually misquoted me. byjust said look, i'm very happy, i have done this time, michael has not done this time the yea rs, michael has not done this time the years, and very, very happy about that. 0k. and then it was completely misquoted and he took on the other side of the atlantic and he kind of saidi side of the atlantic and he kind of said i am going to use this... mate, idid not said i am going to use this... mate, i did not say any of that stuff, you know. sure there was a rivalry that it escalated. there was that shadowboxing thing, you shadowboxing in him bowing in the corner had one of the preliminary races. no, look, that was just... it did not look very clever, didn't? for me, i cannot take back anything i have done. is that about taking away the

tension of the moment or what is that? i was just tension of the moment or what is that? i wasjust kind of playing around. 0k. that? i wasjust kind of playing around. ok. i was that? i wasjust kind of playing around. 0k. iwas with that? i wasjust kind of playing around. ok. i was with some of my guys, around. ok. i was with some of my guys, we werejoking around. ok. i was with some of my guys, we were joking actually about five minutes before it happened. it was a little bit of fun, it was not actually anything to be honest with you. sealer best mates now, are you? yes, we're best friends. have nothing but respect for what he has done. if he has any tension towards me, ido done. if he has any tension towards me, i do not think he does. —— so you are. we're not going to go the olympics to make big friends, we are there to race. so whatever happened in the field of battle, shall we say, shake and afterwards. win, lose or draw, i congratulate you, you got the better of me in rio, no doubt about it. the score is 1—1, we will see it. if he would like to come

back, i would love to have that happen. he is happy to tie and he has a lovely family. it seems a little bit like unfinished business, does it? to me it does, it certainly does. after that olympic games, very disappointed. in rio, he came fourth. i came fourth, and rio was the worst performance of my career, i think. no excuses, it is what it is. we will see what happens in tokyo. all of that of course has occurred in a time when your parents have been suffering quite badly with cancer. both as i understand that are now happily in remission, which is obviously very good news. just give us a bit of a feel for the kind of difficulties that is cause you during that time and maybe also an acknowledgement of the support they have continued despite their condition. sure, the most difficult time everfor condition. sure, the most difficult time ever for personally. i think my mum had just gone for checkup

because she had breast cancer in 2010 and there was nothing there in march, and veal four weeks later, she felt something in the left breast. i said just go and check it, she said no, i was there their weeks ago. it turned out she had to have an emergency mastectomy three days later. i had just left the camp. at that time, we did not know what was going to happen, we did not even know she was going to make it to the olympic games. it was a horrible time for me, my family, my brothers and sisters, not only me. my dad was obviously very sick with prostate cancer, but to be honest with you, i was more worried about my mum at the time. she has come out of it now but it is touch and go. in saying that, there is no buts to olympic champion. there is no chad le clos was the best butterfly swimmer of his time but his mother has cancer. they're not going to say chad le

clos's parents had cancer, no one ca res clos's parents had cancer, no one cares about that, you know. for me, thatis cares about that, you know. for me, that is not an excuse. maybe it is the reason, one of the reasons, but at the end of the day, i not ever going to let that argument into my mind because difficulties happen in life and you just have two deal with them and it would not be fair for me to it in four years time, something happens to someone else. mentally, these have been tough times, let's talk about the mental resilience that sometimes has failed it seems to me won or two people in swimming, in fact for example ian thorpe, grant hackett, missy franklin, the american, they have all been through tough times mentally. is there something about swimming which brings that on? i referred to it being a very solitary sport earlier in the programme, do you have any way of accounting for that? possibly. i guess, as you mentioned, there had been very difficult times

with all those names that you mentioned and from myself as well, but i think sometimes you can't account things like that in life, things just account things like that in life, thingsjust happen, account things like that in life, things just happen, and account things like that in life, thingsjust happen, and you can't, you have to just go through the moments and... you will probably suffering from a kind of depression. ican kind suffering from a kind of depression. i can kind of relate to that and i think after 2012, i was or is the same person before then and after it, but with this sudden burst of fame and everything that comes with it, you lose yourself sometimes because you get caught up in everything. this kind of thing often happens after retirement, doesn't it? post retirement. yes, exactly. you don't feel any concern that maybe when you eventually come to retire, maybe we'll talk about that ina retire, maybe we'll talk about that in a moment, that that might happen to you? mentally, you feel strong and able to deal with that, do to you? mentally, you feel strong and able to de 5???sz that, d |

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work is yellow exactly, goes back to what you said earlier. the facilities are not quite there and i feel like were losing a lot of kids to the system. with respect to some of the coaches, it is almost like the 60s, 70s, 80s, where theyjust train your kid like an animal at the age of eight years old. the world champions at 13, 14, but the time they are 18, they are tired. i want to educate the youth of south africa. you are teaching swimming amongst the black population. absolutely, yes. we opened a centre in cape town, we are hoping to open another six in the next 12 to 18 months. i believe, my big goal, you talk about wanting to offer swimming, iwant talk about wanting to offer swimming, i want one day someone's kid to walk in and say chad le clos helped me. that is my dream, to be

one of the greatest legacies of the world, and certainly in south africa. chad le clos, thank you for your time. hello there. good morning. on monday, there was some respite. most parts of the uk were fine, dry and warm but we're not out the woods yet. there' more storms and more heavy rain in the next few days in this warm and humid air that we have got across the uk. cloud threatened to give us a few storms in the south of england, there were not very many at all.

27 degrees here, it was the warmest day of the year so far in scotland and ireland, and much cooler under the grey, misty skies of northern england and on those north sea coasts. that system is pushing back in on the north sea coast now. we have lower pressure to the south and that is going to bring us some more storms. perhaps by the morning, showers coming into the southern counties of england. rain across england, eastern scotland. grey start. that low cloud retreating back to eastern areas. a few more heavy showers possible though the midlands, towards wales later in the day. the warmest weather in the sunshine for scotland and northern ireland, so a lovely day here. those showers may ease off for a while but we could see another cluster of heavy rain and thunderstorms pushing back into the south—east and east anglia early on wednesday morning, and to the north of that, you guessed it, more mist, fog and low cloud coming back in again. that will retreat to coastal areas but this rain is going to be on the move, a spell of a few

hours of heavy rain, potentially thundery too, moving westwards across england towards wales. looks dry in the south—west. conditions should improve in the south—east. again, the sunny skies, the highest temperatures will be across scotland and northern ireland. making the most of that dry weather here because it is probably not going to last, pressure is lowering, which is why we are having more downpours coming in from the near continent, and they will start to move their way northwards as well. we may have a few storms across northern ireland on thursday, perhaps in the south—west of scotland. more cloud around here certainly, and more storms pushing back from the south—east, across england and wales. these could be pretty nasty as well. some localised flooding too. by friday, the wettest of the weather moves towards northern ireland, northern england, up into central and southern scotland, allowing something at long last a little bit dry across more southern parts of england and wales, and temperatures typically into the low perhaps mid—

20s or so. over the weekend, i think you will see some heavy rain storms in scotland on saturday and perhaps into the south—west on sunday. the south—east, eastern england largely dry, some sunshine. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is duncan golestani. our top stories: italy's two main populist parties call for peaceful protests after an unelected technocrat is chosen as prime minister. it could pave the way for fresh elections. an early election later this year may become an unofficial referendum on italy's membership of the eu and this country's relationship with the union it helped to found. trying to save the summit — talks resume aiming to reinstate a meeting between donald trump and kimjong—un. more than four years after it went missing, the search for flight mh370 is to officially come to a close. and the spider—man of paris — the migrant from mali