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today at 5, two female police officers and a civilian are shot dead by a gunman in the belgian city of liege. the gunman took another woman hostage before being shot dead by police — it's being treated as a terrorist incident. translation: i was walking along the street and i heard gunshots. i saw people walking, others running, and shouting, leave, run, leave. i did not understand what was happening. we'll have the latest from belgium. it's being reported the gunman was released from prison yesterday. he may have been radicalised while inside, and was said to be on a police watchlist. the other main stories on bbc news at 5. hospital staff who treated the former russian spy sergei skripal and his daughter yulia say they hadn't expected them to survive. we would trial our therapies, we would ensure the best clinical care. but all the evidence was there that they would not survive. all 8,000 starbucks stores across america will close later today as staff are trained against "unconscious bias".
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and the roof space in westminster abbey — unseen by the public for 700 years — is to open as a gallery. it's 5 o'clock. our main story is that a man has shot dead two female police officers and a civilian in the eastern belgian city of liege. the gunman also took a female cleaner hostage at a school before he was killed by police. two other police officers were also injured. the incident is being treated as terrorism. it's reported that the gunman was freed from prison on temporary release yesterday. he'd been serving time on drugs offences. he may have been radicalised while in jail and was meant to be on a police watchlist. 0ur europe correspondent
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damian grammaticas reports. 10:30am this morning, gunfire in the centre of liege, a city of almost 200,000. people who heard the shots on one of the city's biggest streets hurried to get away. translation: i was walking along the street and i heard gunshots. i saw people walking, others running and shouting "run, leave." then there were several more bangs 30 minutes later. i was on the bus, we were told to get off because it was dangerous. i went to find cover in a small shop, when i walked out of the store i heard gunshots. armed police units scrambled to respond. a man carrying a knife had attacked two police officers in the street. he grabbed both their guns, and then shot and killed the officers as well as a passenger in a passing car, a 22—year—old man. a few hundred metres away
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at a school, he briefly took a cleaning lady hostage by the entrance to the building. in a press conference the prosecutor gave more details, saying when police teams arrived the man tried to attack them too before he was shot and killed. belgium's prime minister gave his immediate reaction. translation: we are monitoring the situation with the minister of the interior and a minister ofjustice at the crisis centre. i wanted to give all our support on behalf of the government to the families of the victims. it's reported the attacker was a man in his mid—30s who may have been released from prison just yesterday. authorities said he was known for minor crimes but had no known radical or terror connections. a short while ago damian sent us this update from the scene in liege. this is where the attack unfolded this morning here in liege.
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it all began just behind me at a cafe at the crossroads here. 0utside that, the attacker, armed with his knife, set upon two policewomen. he seized their guns, shot the two policewomen dead on the scene. you can see here some of the investigation teams, the police forensics teams who are here at the minute. the armed response teams have just pulled out from the area but it's all still sealed off. the attacker also then shot the passenger in the carjust near here on this boulevard, and 100 metres or so further up, the grey building behind the red tent, is the school where he took the hostage and was then shot dead as he came out to confront more police outside there. now, some of those police were injured. what we know is that the hostage that he took, a cleaner at the school, held very briefly, was not hurt and all of the children inside that school also were unaffected because they, we understand, were ushered out
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of the back of the school by the teachers when they heard the initial shots going off. now, what police have said is that they are investigating this now as an act of terrorism. the man himself was released from prison just on monday, but he had no known terror or radical links beforehand. what they are investigating, it seems, is whether he was radicalised in prison. 0ur security correspondent frank gardner is here. i suppose that is a key question, the question of radicalisation possibly imprisoned. the latest report on one newsagency, afp, said he was on a watchlist said he was suspected. that has not been confirmed by police. there is a
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crossover between petty criminals when they go to prison and some of the more extreme politicised circles, for example islamist extremists, where people willjoin the toughest gang and often in french and belgian prisons that is going to be thejihadist french and belgian prisons that is going to be the jihadist gang. there are high numbers in prisons particularly in france. they are there on terror offences. there is a lwa ys there on terror offences. there is always the risk that people who go infor minor always the risk that people who go in for minor usually drugs related offences end up getting radicalised to try to purge their earlier sins in the eyes of the recruitment people. is there any doubt police we re people. is there any doubt police were targets? i don't think so, the belgian said it was clear they were targeted, it was a deliberate it attack. this was not casual. he followed them using a box cutter knife, stamped on them and brought them down and used their own weapons to shoot them dead and in that sense it was a planned attack. he went on
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to shoot someone else and then took a hostage, so a really nasty attack. the only clues we know of is there is the islamist connection to this, shouting what is translated as god is greater. that is often shouted by jihadists when they carry out an attack. a lot of speculation about the challenge of trying to reintegrate people who have been to fight in the middle east. back into society after they have served time in prison. will this shed light on that debate further? i'm not sure because the problem is so widespread there is already a lot of data and research has been dumped into this particularly the nexus between criminality amber crossover and belgium has a problem with a lot of
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people who have not integrated. the belgian police are not completely on top of the problem with two different police forces essentially and in brussels alone. you have the french—speaking police and the flemish speaking police and intelligence is not always shared in a timely way between belgian intelligence and belgian police. it does not get down to the street level when needed. any thoughts on the way the agencies in belgium responded and what is being said about how efficient it was. it was pretty quick. belgium has been a victim of the dreadful attack in 2016 at the airport and they have had a tax there before and brussels has been the centre, a wellspring of jihadist activity in certain districts. which means the belgian police have had three years in which
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to drill down into the problem. i think they reacted quickly and got civilians out of harm's way and close this town. it is all about ending it as quickly as possible with minimum loss of life and they did that. thanks. medical staff who treated the former russian spy sergei skripal and his daughter yulia have told the bbc they didn't expect them to survive. doctors and nurses at salisbury district hospital have been speaking for the first time about their struggle to keep the skripals alive after they they were poisoned with a nerve agent in march. in interviews with the bbc‘s newsnight programme, the staff said that at first they thought the pair had suffered a drugs overdose, as mark urban reports. it's just before 5pm on the 11th of march. we were just told that there were two patients in the emergency department who were critically unwell, and they would be coming up to the unit. it was very quickly established that the victims were yulia skripal and her father, one—time
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russian spy sergei. and that the police regarded it as suspicious. i made the phone call and spoke to the nurse in charge who had been on that night, and it was a conversation that i really could never have imagined in my wildest imaginations, having with anyone. at first, an opioid overdose was suspected. but as the skripals fought for their lives, the diagnosis changed to nerve agent poisoning. when we first were aware this was a nerve agent, we were expecting them not to survive. we would try all the therapies, we would ensure the best clinical care. but all the evidence was there that they would not survive. when a policeman also fell ill, hospital staff started to wonder whether they too might be in danger. i suppose a key marker for me was when the pc
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was admitted with symptoms, there was a real concern as to how big could this get. at first it was simply a matter of keeping the skripals alive, heavily sedated. both of them were given big doses of drugs to protect them from the effects of the poison and help restart their bodies' production of a key enzyme. and the human factor was vital, too. excellent teamwork by the doctors. fantastic care by our nurses. and i guess supported and supplemented a great deal by some input from really, really well informed international experts. which very fortunately, some of them happened to be on our doorstep at porton down. that laboratory, internationally known for its chemical weapons expertise, processed tests and offered advice on the best therapies. yulia was discharged in april, and last week made a statement thanking the hospital.
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but it took several more weeks before sergei skripal could follow her out of salisbury district. he spent his whole stay in a room on the intensive care ward because that's where police wanted to secure him. they have been brought back from the brink of death but questions remain about the longer term. we have a total world experience of treating three patients for the effects of novichok poisoning. i think it is safe to say that we are still learning. in salisbury district hospital, the formal review of the skripal affair is onlyjust starting. but for those involved, it was a remarkable episode crowned with success. and mark is with me. some fascinating contributions. a sense of i suppose understandably pride in what they achieved but
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still uncertainty. they are proud and clearly the outcome was successful. they got help from porton down but they'll clear as they put it, we made the clinical decisions. clear that the first hour was critical and they got it right. when you ask questions about is this all it seems, they pushed back quite hard. listen to this from the medical director. for people who say if this was a nerve agent they would be dead, what would your response be? well, they are not. you know, the proof of the pudding... we are very clear about what we were treating and i think that these would not be the first patients who have not recovered from this kind of poisoning or from other nerve agents. that was pretty
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forceful and a blunt response. i am wondering to pick up on another thing you mentioned in the report, the uncertainty around the long—term effects. what come we shed on that? they cannot tell us exactly in which respects these individuals are still in difficulty. there is a medical confidentiality issue and they cannot go into detail. i think there is no experience of this. a doctor said, we did not know when the agent would reach its maximum effect and what damage it could do and that is a question, whether the effects continue to reverberate within the system of the people contaminated in yea rs system of the people contaminated in years to come. when you spoke to the range of experts, clearly they have a story to tell, how comfortable we re a story to tell, how comfortable were they in terms of revealing more
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information, because as you alluded to, there are areas that are not being allowed you to penetrate. people were called to a conference room and i came in to say what we we re room and i came in to say what we were trying to achieve and it was obvious from the session they were not comfortable talking to an outsider and we had to gain their confidence. they have been told not to tell friends or families about this. there was medical confidentiality and a huge international story but little by little they started sparking off one another and the conversations they have not had with each other about this and the formal review at the hospital is only just this and the formal review at the hospital is onlyjust beginning. the formal review will take what shape? it will take awhile because they are trying to address clinical questions, could we have done things differently, what did we do well? if it happened again what should hospitals do? it will take. in terms
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of the international perspective, it was a huge global story, what is the interest among other professionals worldwide in what they have done? there is considerable interest and an ethical dilemma and i have this discussion with the doctor. as part of their medical duty they need to share lessons but in the normal way you do this in a paper, a paper, a patient presented, a 66—year—old male, you cannot make these individuals anonymous and you run into confidentiality issues. they are trying to resolve those. thank you. you can watch the full report. 0n tonight's newsnight. 0n bbc two at 10.30. the brother and son of two victims of the grenfell tower fire has described a phone call during which he heard his mother and his sister in the final moments of their lives.
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ahmed elgwahry was speaking at the public inquiry where relatives are continuing to give evidence. 72 people died as a result of the blaze at the block of flats in west london lastjune. 0ur correspondent tom burridge is at the inquiry. from the brave words of relatives of those killed we have learned g re nfell tower was those killed we have learned grenfell tower was a mix of hard—working, talented grenfell tower was a mix of ha rd—working, talented and grenfell tower was a mix of hard—working, talented and generous people. we have heard about the painful final people. we have heard about the painfulfinal phone people. we have heard about the painful final phone calls between relatives outside and loved ones trapped in the building. we heard about the harrowing recovery of body parts and we heard about the items, precious family items, destroyed in the fire, destroying photographs and memories. this is the first phase of the public inquiry where relatives of the 72 people whose deaths are attributed to the fire campaign tribute to loved ones lost. not just faces or names,
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lives that were cut cruelly short, people who once called grenfell tower home. mariem elgwahry was described by her brother as always having a contagious smile. she had a promising career ahead of her and had just fallen in love. she made me laugh, herfacial expressions were hilarious. and she didn't care about making a fool of herself. in fact, i see her expressions in my son. ahmed elgwahry also recounted his final phone call to his sister as she and their mother were trapped in the burning building. she started fading away from me rather rapidly. she kept going all the way until she was no longer audible, started banging the floor and then finally no longer responsive.
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it is at this point i presume i lost my mum at the same time. about 20 seconds later for the first time that morning i heard my mum's voice. she was struggling for breath. there is a police investigation ongoing and in the coming months the public inquiry will start looking at how the fire spread so quickly and whether warning signs were missed. but for some relatives paying tribute in this, the initial phase of the inquiry, failings are already clear. what is being ignored is the failure to acknowledge the true and utter imcompetence leading up to this tragedy. the repeated warnings about health and safety, the repeated warnings about weak building regulations that had been under urgent review for years. rania ibrahim died alongside her young daughters, fatia and hania. this was hania's third birthday ten days before the fire. we saw pictures of the girls
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at nursery, rania and hassan's wedding photos, and a happy family joking around on holiday. yet another family that has shared private moments in a public arena, hoping that for their loved ones' sake lessons will be learned. my message for the judge, please, work from inside your heart to give justice for other families living like this to be safe. we need to make sure that this never happens again in london, even in all uk. gloria trevisan was a promising italian architect and she and her boyfriend died in each other‘s arms. gloria's mother told the inquiry that her daughter was full of life, just one of so many families with understandable anger about how a fire in london could claim so many lives. gloria's mother said her anger was
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pushing her to discover the truth. we heard about five—year—old isaac and heard from his father. he described how with the initial phases of the fire, the family were told like others to remain inside their flat. because it told like others to remain inside theirflat. because it was believed theirflat. because it was believed the fire could be contained in a certain part of the building. later the family tried to get out of the building and they lost isaac in the confusion. my son was beautiful. a little boy with so much potential. i will never forget isaac's big beautiful eyes. his calm—looking wait for his dad to save them all, but i didn't. because i listened to the authorities and that makes me angry. i have to live with the guilt of not protecting my son every day. i am broken and now the only thing
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that can make me whole again is to fight for the truth and justice in isaac's name. we also heard about a mother and her son. she was ten weeks pregnant at the time of the fire. there have been so many personal stories. tributes mainly to loved ones lost but also painful detail about the night of the fire, the anguish of relatives outside the building, trying to speak to relatives trapped inside. it has been very difficult listening but humbling at the same time. after this week, the enquiry will consider a mountain of evidence, documents, testimony and expert reports. the initial phase will last until november and then it will last until november and then it will consider the more complex questions about the refurbishment of g re nfell tower
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questions about the refurbishment of grenfell tower in the years leading up grenfell tower in the years leading up to the fire and the materials used, the cladding, the installation and will consider the important questions for relatives who were killed, why the fire spread so quickly, claiming so many lives. tom, thanks. starbucks will close all of its 8,000 american stores shortly to provide its staff with "unconsious bias" training. it follows the wrongful arrest last month of two black men at a store in philadelphia. the mandatory session will be taken by all of its employees from chief executive to barista. rajini vaidya nathan is outside a starbucks store in washington. there is a sign taped to the front of the store and 8000 others in the
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us that tells customers in two hours from now, around 2pm local time, stores will be closing as staff undertake training to help make these coffee shops more welcoming. it follows the racial profiling of two young black men after they entered a starbucks in philadelphia. handcuffed and led away by officers after the white manager of this starbucks called the police just minutes after they'd arrived. i have two gentlemen in my cafe, they're refusing to make a purchase or leave. entrepreneurs rashon nelson and donte robinson were simply waiting for a business associate to turn up for a meeting. they didn't do anything, i saw the entire thing. starbucks was accused of discrimination. its ceo apologised, promising to take action. we are closing all 8,000 plus us company operated stores in the united states for a mandatory training around unconscious bias. we'll have a little bit
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of conversation around what is diversity. this group of charity workers in richmond, virginia, have signed up to the same sort of session starbucks staff will undertake. everybody ready? let's go. everybody is subject to having unconscious bias and everybody has to work hard to overcome it. we need to take specific strategies so we're not affected by it. african—american, black american... those strategies include being painfully honest about what your prejudices are so you can start to deal with them. it's been a great training so far because it's caused me to kind of step outside my comfort zone and my individual consciousness. i feel like a lot of times when you're bringing up equity and bias, a lot of people think about it from a personal standpoint instead of thinking of it as something that is societal. changing people's biases will take more than a day's training. the case at starbucks is just the tip of the iceberg. in a country that's plagued by a history of racism, being profiled as a black american is an all too common experience.
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darren martin worked for president 0bama for five years. he left washington a few weeks ago. can't go nowhere without the cops following me. while moving into a new apartment in new york city, a white neighbour called the police, thinking he was breaking in. call the cops on me in my own building? how many are y'all? about six of y'all showed up. crazy, man. i honestly wasn't surprised. when we are doing absolutely normal things like moving into an apartment or waiting in line in a coffee shop, people can feel threatened by that. with phones and video now, folks are able to finally see this isn't something we're just talking about but it's the reality. this video caused outrage and forced one of america's largest companies to take action. but for many black americans, being made to feel unwelcome in public spaces is part of a centuries—old problem that a few hours' training won't be able to fix. rajini vaidyanathan, bbc news. many have dismissed this as nothing
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more than a publicity stunt, but the founder and chairman of starbucks says it will be part of ongoing training. what do customers this morning think? i asked some earlier. i think it is great because there are so many unconscious i think it is great because there are so many unconscious biases in this country and by doing this training it will allow them to better serve customers. training it will allow them to better serve customerslj training it will allow them to better serve customers. i do not like pr where people do it for the sake of doing it. they make it because they are doing this because of that. you think it is a publicity stu nt? of that. you think it is a publicity stunt? yes. i think it is a good idea and useful if all americans took time to reflect on biases. do you think it will make a difference? ido you think it will make a difference? i do not think it is a publicity stu nt i do not think it is a publicity stunt i think it is good management.
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this case was not surprising to many african—americans, who this case was not surprising to many african—america ns, who say this case was not surprising to many african—americans, who say they put up african—americans, who say they put up with racial profiling daily. but it put the issue of racial profiling back into the national conversation. 0ne back into the national conversation. one thing is sure, it is an issue that extends beyond starbucks coffee shops. thanks. the headlines in a moment and we will catch up with the sport. here's stav da naos. good afternoon, a lovely day for most of the uk with hot sunshine. temperatures in the mid—20s. the north—west england, scotland, parts of wales and northern ireland seeing sunshine. but not in the south and south—east of england with every
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rain and flash flooding and storm is likely this evening to continue. it will be warm here but further north and west another dry night with clear skies. wednesday, a damp note in parts of england and maybe towards wales. some of the rain could be sundry as it moves northwards and westwards. rain in eastern scotland and the northern isles. best of the sunshine in the north—west of the country. for the rest of the week, staying warm and humid. increasing chance of showers and thunderstorms moving northwards across the uk. this is bbc news — the headlines. three people, 0including two female police officers are shot dead by a gunman in belgium in what's being treated as a terrorist incident. doctors who treated the former russian spy
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sergei skripal and his daughter yulia say they didn't expect them to survive the nerve agent attack. all 8 thousand starbucks stores across america will close in the next hour or so as staff are trained against unconscious bias. the founder of the english defence league — tommy robinson —— has beenjailed for 13 months —— for contempt of court. time for the sport with hugh ferris. good afternoon.... kyle edmund has reached the second round of the french open... and in doing so has shown little of the expectation of being the british number one. he beat australian teenager alex de manur at roland garros... as patrick gearey reports. flick through the social media of kyle edmund and you can glimpse the miles and repetitions that have gone into his success. the work that has put him into a position to do this
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on the first point of the french 0pen. demoralising for alex de manur, his opponent, and teenage aussie wild card sent —— spent the first set being trumped by the british number one. edmund is now in the top 20 in the world, the latest feeling smashed through in his rapid rise since the australian open. alex de manur is less fully formed, 130 in the world but beyond the numbers there are flickers of the player something he will become. not enough to save the second or really threaten in the third, by now in the afternoon heat, alex de manur was chasing but never quite catching kyle edmund who begins the biggest summer kyle edmund who begins the biggest summer of his career with an almost blemish free victory. 0ne summer of his career with an almost blemish free victory. one that will attract plenty of attention. reigning champion rafa nadal was back on court today to complete a straight sets win over italian simone bolleli in his first round match... that was delayed due to thunderstorms in paris last night. the ten time winner at roland garros had a much tougher third set... having to save four set points...
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but came through... 11—9 in the tie break... and will face argentina's guido pella next. serena williams has won her first grand slam match since becoming a mother. she's unseeded at roland garros after her time away from the game... but beat krystina pliskova in the first round. two—time champion maria sharapova won her first match at the french open since 2015... coming from 3 —1 down in the final set to beat dutch qualifier richel hogenkamp by 2 sets to one. sharapova will face croatia's donna vekic next. fa chief executive martin glenn insists the potential sale of wembley stadium is not a ‘betrayal‘... but a deal that makes financial sense to the governing body. glenn has been delivering a speech to the fa's council... who are considering the bid from fulham owner shahid khan... and he claims accepting the offer won't amount to them selling the soul of the game... and that it represents an opportunity to unleash an unprecedented amount of investment into community football. meanwhile the fa say they support raheem sterling after he was criticised for getting
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a tattoo of an assault rifle on his leg. anti—gun campaigners wanted the manchester city forward dropped from the world cup squad... but the statement from the fa says sterling and the rest of the players remain focussed on the tournament which starts injust over two weeks time. sterling posted this on his instagram account saying the tattoo has a deeper significance because his father was shot dead when sterling was a small boy... and that he resolved to never touch a gun as a result. he also insists the tattoo which is above his favoured right foot is unfinished. mo salah has arrived in spain for treatment on the shoulder he injured in saturday's champions league final. the egyptian fa say he's sprained his shoulder ligaments and salah himself says he's ”hopeful” of being fit to play in the world cup. he was questioned persistently by a reporter as he left the airpoirt in valencia but added nothing to his earlier statement on social media. premiership champions saracens have extended the contract of their director of rugby mark mccall. his previous deal ran until the end of next season
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but mccall has agreed to stay until 2022. assistant coach alex sanderson has also agreed a new deal, ruling him out of being england's next defence coach. we'll have more for you in sportsday at half past six. it can now be reported that the former leader of the english defence league tommy robinson also known as stephen christopher yaxley—lennon has beenjailed for thirteen months for contempt of court. our correspondent danny savage has the latest. yes, this is about tommy robinson who was detained on friday after using social media to broadcast details of an ongoing court case outside the leeds crown court. now
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the trouble is that that court case was subject to reporting restrictions at the time and he was committing contempt of court. he was then arrested and stopped and detained by police officers from west yorkshire police who took him inside the court where a judge then heard the case and heard the details of what had been happening and made the decision that tommy robinson was to go to prison for 13 months for being in contempt of court. for doing and filming on social media when he was outside the court. we have some footage of what happened on friday and here's what happened. i'm causing a breach of the peace. i have been arrested.
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the content of what you are streaming. i'm been arrested for breach of the peace. i'm being arrested for breach of the peace. you've all watched this. turn off your live feed for me, please. turn off your live feed, please. do you understand what i have just said to you? you are under arrest on suspicion of causing breach of the peace. what does that mean exactly? what does that mean? this is the second time that tommy robinson has been in breach of a court order because basically in canterbury last year, tommy robinson was also detained for a very similar case outside canterbury crown court. he was then given a suspended prison sentence, he was given a three month prison sentence which was suspended for 18 months and what he has fallen foul of is basically committing the same offence again during the period in which he is serving a suspended sentence which is why on friday it was a very brief hearing at leeds crown court, which sent him to prison for 13
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months and the reason it could not be reported on friday was because of the ongoing court case at leeds. there has been lots of speculation about this case on social media, some protests outside downing street as well but this highlights, the parallels of what the so—called mainstream media is doing by abiding by the court rulings and people talking openly on social media about something they technically should not be doing because of court restrictions that are in place. tommy robinson went to prison on friday, he has gone to prison for 13 months and it is all because he broke the terms of his suspended prison sentence which he was already subject to. danny savage, our correspondent there. let's get more now on our main story. a man has shot dead two female police officers and a civilian in the eastern belgian city of liege. the gunman also took a female cleaner hostage at a school before being killed by police. two other police officers were also injured. the incident is being treated as terrorism. i'm joined from brussels by dr lore colaert, a radicalisation expert at the think tank the flemish peace institute. she is in belgium for us. thank you
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for joining she is in belgium for us. thank you forjoining us. we mentioned earlier that there were reports that this man had been radicalised while in prison for we think drugs offences. with that make sense to you given what you think of the patterns of radicalisation in belgian prisons? yes, radicalisation in prisons is a huge challenge here in belgium but also across europe. researchers talk about a new crime nexus, they link criminality with terrorism and more so criminality with terrorism and more so in the current generation of jihadists. some reports have found out that within european terrorist fighters, the majority of them had a criminal past and the majority of them had already served prison sentences and that up to a third of those foreign terrorist fighters had actually radicalised in prison. also
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in belgium, we faced two challenges around radicalisation in prison, one group of inmates are the so—called returned foreign terrorist fighters, they are not such a big group, but there is a larger group of inmates thatis there is a larger group of inmates that is imprisoned because of normal criminal activities, non—terror related crimes, but they also, are pa rt related crimes, but they also, are part of that group also radicalised is. that is a challenge that belgium is. that is a challenge that belgium is facing and also if we look at the profile of perpetrators of terrorist crimes in belgium and france, for instance, most of them had a criminal past, relying on old networks of friends, sometimes old criminal networks or formed new networks while in prison. it is a challenge, particularly to belgium and actually across europe. what kinds of efforts have been made in
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terms of programmes for example in belgian prisons to combat this and how would you describe the success or otherwise of those programmes? well, first may be to contextualise it, prisons are of course a very specific environment that makes inmates more vulnerable to extremism than people outside in society. they are isolated from society and marginalised which is a risk factor, but inmates also live in bad living conditions than outside society and in belgium, we are often criticised for having bad living conditions and lack of psychosocial assistance in prisons and that of course leads to feelings of injustice and frustration, but also to strong networks with informal hierarchies, there is quite a strong reputation, but belgium has formed new action plans to do with that challenge.
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they are monitoring radicalised individuals in prison and they apply some risk assessment to them and place them in special regimes. the most extreme example of that is specialised unit which recruiters and ideological you radicalised individuals are isolated. it has not been evaluated, but there are concerns amongst researchers that those isolated regimes can be a bit counter—productive in terms of reintegrating them after their sentences and there is a second initiative, in which this engagement or do radicalisation extras, together with assistance in prisons as it —— assist prisoners to prepare their reintegration into society, but that is a huge challenge and a lot of work still needs to be done, especially local authorities who are really concerned about how to
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integrate formal inmates who are released and they are especially concerned about those being released without conditions. apparently the case in liege was an inmate released under conditions. there are concerns about radicalised individuals on how to integrate them into the local community and how to start that process from within prison and that is still a huge challenge and the experts who are dealing with that in the belgian prisons are new, they have a limited caseload, and they face big challenges. as we understand it, this man was on a police watch list and that does clearly raise questions about the capability and the resources behind these measures. yes, i'm really not familiar with the case, you know as much as i know at this point about the case in liege. and i am more a
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specialist in those who do radicalisation assistance, for me to assist the radicalised individuals andi assist the radicalised individuals and i know they have a limited caseload. i cannot tell if the intelligence services within prisons have oversight to monitor all radicalised individuals, buti have oversight to monitor all radicalised individuals, but i know they are facing huge challenges and prison directors say, especially islamic extremism is now a bigger challenge than before. very good of you to talk to us. thank you for joining us. the video platform youtube has deleted more than 30 videos which police say are responsible for inciting a surge in violent crime across london. the metropolitan police commissioner cressida dick says the clips that features so—called ‘drill‘ music include lyrics that encourage knife attacks. youtube says it is working
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with authorities to take action on content related to knife crime. 0ur correspondent chi chi izundu reports. this is the type of music that the head of the metropolitan police says is glamorising violent crime on london's streets. uk drill music — it's described as fast, dark and often violent. put simply, it's a sub genre of rap and british hip—hop. yassin works with former gang members. i personally don't think drill music is responsible for the knife crime that is going on. cressida dick, the met commissioner, says her officers have built up a database of more than 11100 videos to use as an intelligence tool to help tackle knife and gun crime. detectives say some of the lyrics, the gestures and the hand signals are used to taunt rival gangs, which is why they've asked youtube over the last two years to take those videos down. this criminologist says artists are trading on the imagery
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in the videos. people, for some reason, like to tap into that. they tap into the imagery of the violent, young, black felon, drug dealer, gun gang banger, shooting people, stabbing people, robbing people. and unfortunately, these young people know this. and of course, they help to perpetuate. it's like, if you think i'm a dangerous, nasty person, well, you haven't met anything yet. drill is popular. and videos sometimes get millions of hits. but for fans and artists like dj jets, they say violence on the streets was around long before the music. i've seen the same reaction spark up from playing funky house music. i've seen a fight broke out in my set just for that, you know. and, you know, you have do, you would get kicked out of a club if you started kicking off. you would literally get removed. so, i don't really think it's an option. in a statement, youtube, which is owned by google, said it had dedicated processes for the police to flag videos directly to its teams
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because they often needed specialist context from law enforcement to identify real—life threats. and as a result, they had removed more than 30 clips from its platform. with me in the studio is dal babu a former chief superintendent with the metropolitan police who retired from the force in 2013. first of all, thank you for coming in. what do you make of this incident, they have taken down these videos and as we know, some of the people responsible have said do not worry, they will be back up in a few days or weeks. what do you make of the action that has been taken? as i understand it, about 60 videos that the met police asked to be taken down and half of them have been taken down, down and half of them have been ta ken down, they down and half of them have been taken down, they were very violent, where individuals were flashing knives, making threats, they are
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still up there. this is a partial victory, not a real victory and as you have said, the companies that put these up and said, do not worry, they will be back up on instagram. i don't think they are taking it seriously and essentially the platforms that have the ability to ta ke platforms that have the ability to take them down, i do not think they are taking murders and doubts very seriously, they are putting profit ahead of the well—being of our young people and the danger is that we end up people and the danger is that we end up having to see where a video goes up up having to see where a video goes up and the instant reaction of individuals. you need speed here, speed of action, so... i spoke to a tragic case of a father who said his son was involved in an altercation and he said something on the internet and these individuals turned up at his house and murdered him, on the same day, a few hours later. youtube and all these platforms are pretty disingenuous and ifi
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platforms are pretty disingenuous and if i wanted to come along and say something on the bbc, itv or channel 4, there are a huge amount of restrictions and regulations. what organisations like youtube, they don't have that, they say leave it to us. this has shown how they cannot be trusted. there needs to be regulations, they are putting profit ahead of the lives of young people. it isa ahead of the lives of young people. it is a very strong accusation you are making. it is about greed. let us are making. it is about greed. let us look at the facts. the met police have asked for about 60 videos to be taken down and only half are being taken down and only half are being taken down. this is about those companies saying, this is about clicks, how many they get, how much advertising is coming through and how they can make more money. advertising is coming through and how they can make more moneylj how they can make more money.” suppose they would say, we will take things down if we have proper evidence that this is the kind of material that should be taken down, maybe they are not convinced. yes, you ask people on straight, people
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flashing lights, making threats, most people will say they need to be taken down most people will say they need to be ta ken down immediately. most people will say they need to be taken down immediately. the police have said we have looked at this, we have said we have looked at this, we have got intelligence and we are telling you that this will lead to an increase in violence and they are still not them down and the company that makes them is saying, do not worry, we will have them back up again. this is a wake—up call to these companies. we have seen, from things like cambridge analytic, tech companies need regulation, in the same way, if i said there is a delay in this interview, if i said something that you were not happy with, it could be bleeped out and i would be off the air. you do not have this with youtube. i think a lot of people now, my daughters, they very rarely sit and watch the news with me. they see this as something that old people like me do. they are accessing your data, when they watch the news, from their
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phone and ipads. we need to make sure we have checks and balances in place to protect their young people so they do not have access to this quite violent kind of video. i was shocked researching this piece, i was shocked when i went along to see some of the videos that are still there, that the police have indicated need to be taken down. there, that the police have indicated need to be taken downm does not make sense. i should clarify and be news to you as well, that this is very light. there is no delay. this is going out as we say it. you could do what ever you like andi it. you could do what ever you like and i would try to bundle you out of of the studio! 0n and i would try to bundle you out of of the studio! on a more serious point, these tech companies like google who owns youtube, they make the case very often that the volume of material is such that it is beyond imagination. it is almost physically impossible to keep on top of the volume of stuff that is created every minute of every hour, do you have any sympathy with the
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scale of that challenge? none whatsoever. this is a business model designed to make money, designed for clicks, design for advertising. designed to make money, designed for clicks, designforadvertising. i think the fact that they allow that to happen is a matterfor them. the bottom line is they need to employ people who can look at this material, they need to listen to the police and quite frankly, it should not be the responsibility of the police, the government should be doing this, saying, we have had empirical evidence, court cases where violence has been threatened bya group where violence has been threatened by a group and as a result, young people have been murdered. this is not theoretical, this is real life. it is shocking that are government has not taken a much stronger stance against these companies, they are driven by profit and clicks and they wa nt driven by profit and clicks and they want advertising. which brings me to the final point, the news said repeatedly about the companies on how they conduct themselves, it is a matter for government, how they conduct themselves, it is a matterfor government, if how they conduct themselves, it is a matter for government, if it wishes to, to step in to regulate in this
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area and we are talking about global companies, british jurisdiction or europeanjurisdiction companies, british jurisdiction or european jurisdiction does not apply globally. you're saying really it is a government matter, that is where the action needs to come? the metropolitan police ‘s london—based and these companies are global, germany has done it, you they say you will get fine, fines of up to 50 million euros. 0ther you will get fine, fines of up to 50 million euros. other governments have done this, this is the responsibility of our government to say, it is not acceptable to a violent videos there, we need to look at the evidence and the evidence is very clear in court cases, where individuals have placed material on websites and as a result, other young people have reacted to that and we need the kind of restrictions that the bbc, and itv have but those organisations have strict restrictions. you're calling for the equivalent of that. we need regulation and we need to look at the evidence. this should be based on what is the evidence that
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says that young people have been involved, hurt and murdered as result of this and i find it shocking that youtube have not acted quickly and i think they need to put the lives of young people ahead of profit. thank you. a hidden roof space in westminster abbey, unseen by the public for 700 years, is to open as a new exhibition area next month. the queen's diamond jubilee galleries will tell the abbey's story and display rare objects from the past thousand years. 0ur correspondent robert hall has been to take a look. this is a remarkable transformation, this dusty space turned into an exhibition area, with, as you are about to say, one of the finest views in europe. in fact, that is whatjohn betjeman described it as. this is a remarkable transformation, this dusty space turned
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we are 50 feet above the floor of the abbey, so high up that they had to build a new tower to enable visitors to get to the exhibition. and all around me here, are some of the 300 objects chosen from 1000 more, the armour of henry v over there. effigies of royal kings and queens, the head of henry vi! and behind him, the figure, the effigy of his wife and down the end of this gallery is the chair once used by mary the second, of william and mary. it was actually a copy of her husband's chair, covered with graffiti from hundreds of visitors. susan, this is an extraordinary mix of objects, how did you get your 300? well, the abbey has a huge collection, as you allude to. we worked very closely with the exhibition designers and we chose the objects that were most significant to tell the history of the abbey's collection and also put them back in context in this magnificent 13th century gallery that we have here. and you hope people will take away that story. we hope that they will enjoy the collection and variety of objects and they will learn
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something about the building of the abbey, the worship here, the abbey's relationship with the monarchy and the moralisation of the abbey as well. thank you, susan, i wonder if i should show you one or two more objects. let us have a look at this. this is a souvenir which was issued, in victorian times, it showed the coronation of queen victoria. let us just show you the shot, if you could not get to see the view that we have just shown you, you could have a look at the view in this monocle. alongside it in a case, not the real crown jewels, but these are the replicas used for rehearsals of the great state occasions. they do not want the real things out too early. at the end here, the effigy of king charles ii. there are a lot of these. now, these figures were created to stand above the graves of the royal family and people of nobility, through the ages. they are dressed in the clothes, from the period that charles ii would actually have worn when he went to the garter ceremony. and up at the end of the gallery, there, you can see a remarkable
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portrait of her majesty the queen. she is standing on the spot where she was crowned and obviously, contemplating, perhaps, in the artist's imagination, that day. i think there is a feeling here that the effort that has gone into this means that the queen will be well pleased with an exhibition and a gallery that bear her name. robert holderness. very lucky to have a look inside the new gallery in westminster abbey. time for a look at the weather... here's stav da naos. a lot of sunshine around, it has been very warm, temperatures reaching the mid—20s. a glorious day in scotland, northern ireland and the north—west of england and the
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west midlands. sunshine, the gardens could do with somewhat but it has been a different situation in south—east england, flash flooding, lightning strikes affecting parts of essex and kent and sussex and into hampshire. these thunderstorms have been spreading across the capital, it has been a soggy day for some. these storms will rumble on for a while, the next few hours, eventually a drier interlude before the next pulse of showers and storms moves up during the second part of the night. another warm and muddy one but further north and west, dry night with a clear spells. this feature is moving out, which will bring showers and storms to the east. it will move north and west through web mistake and it is wet in england and wales, and it is wet in england and wales, a grim commute, a lot of standing water. rain affecting the north east
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of in and the north and the majority of in and the north and the majority of scotla nd of in and the north and the majority of scotland and northern ireland, and other dry and sunny day, but welcome rain for parts of the north of england and sunshine developing, another warm and muddy one. heading into thursday, the remnants of that front could bring showers to parts of scotla nd front could bring showers to parts of scotland and northern ireland but elsewhere a cloudy start and sunshine breaking through that cloud which will boost the temperatures and that will set off a few showers and that will set off a few showers and thunderstorms as temperatures reach high of 2a or 25 degrees. it will remain humid. this is the picture for friday, misty and murky, a lot of the cloud lingering during the day but the sun should get going on that cloud break. sunny spells but with the humidity, temperatures will rise and that will set off scattered showers or thunderstorms pretty much anywhere and they could be heavy, so stay tuned to the forecast. the weather is warm and humid, some sunshine around and as we had further to the week, thundery
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showers also spreading north as well. stay tuned to the weather forecast. two policewomen and a passer—by are killed in belgium in a suspected terror attack. the gunman attacked the officers with a knife before taking their weapons and shooting them. he then entered a school, taking a hostage before being killed by police. translation: i was walking along the street and i heard gunshots. i saw people walking, others running and shouting, " leave, run, leave!" translation: i went to find cover in a small shop. when i walked out of the store, i heard gunshots. we'll have the latest from the scene of the attack. also tonight: scientists make a potential breakthrough in fighting an aggressive form of brain cancer. i'm living proof that you canjust survive it, and survive it for more
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than six months. police ask youtube to delete dozens of music videos they say incite violence.

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