tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News June 4, 2018 9:00am-11:01am BST
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we've been reporting on his case for the last few years — now in his first tv interview since being released from an ethiopian jail last week, british national andy tsege is here live in the studio; he'll tell you about his kidnap from an airport in yemen before being taken to jail where he was incarcerated for four years and sentenced to death. he thought he'd never see his three children again. a new crucial stage in the grenfell tower inquiry begins today with the focus shifting to how the fire started and spread so rapidly. five expert reports will be published during this phase, after the inquiry opened with seven days of tributes to the tragedy‘s victims. and i am ripped up to pieces. only god knows how much i'm ripped up. and i need you to know how much i'm going through. i feel like i've lost my world. every friday, i go to the cemetery and i sit down and i talk to herfor two hours. i know she's listening to me. because i know she loved me to the max as well. god bless her. and an update on another story we've been following for years — the isle of wight fishermen jailed for trying to smuggle £53 million of cocaine — oui’ cameras are there as one is released after serving seven
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years and vows to clear his name. i've lost the last seven years of my life. i've gone from being 20 years old and now i'm 27. it's a massive part of my life i've just lost for nothing. for, literally, nothing at all. i've done nothing wrong. it'sjust gone. welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. we have the latest news and sport and the weather forecastjust before 10am. this picture is from the cosmetics company lush, and it is their latest political campaign. targeting obviously... 0r
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their latest political campaign. targeting obviously... or is it obvious? undercover cops. #spycops 0n social media, huge backlash, with some claiming these kind of posters are anti—police. lush's ethics director will be with us after 10am to defend the campaign. we want to know what you think, particularly if you are a serving police officer. that is the issue, many feel it is targeting everyday police officers, bobbies on the beat. the police federation of england and wales saying it is disgusting and offensive. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtag victoria live. information about people suspected of being under the influence of extremists is to be shared more widely, and more quickly, under a new strategy launching today. in his first major speech as home secretary, sajid javid will announce a change in the government's counter—terrorism strategy to deal with what he calls a shift in the threat faced by the uk. 0ur political correspondent chris mason has more. pausing to remember, one year on.
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yesterday, an opportunity to reflect on the eight people killed and 48 people injured in the attack on london bridge and borough market lastjune. among the senior politicians, sajid javid, the new home secretary. today, in his first major speech on security since getting the job, he will say this: one of the most surprising and perhaps controversial plans
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is that m15, the security service, is to declassify the secret intelligence it holds of around 20,000 so—called "subjects of concern." information about these people will be widely shared with, for instance, local governments. the aim is to maximise the chances of detecting any potential terrorist attack before it happens. chris mason, bbc news. the home secretary is due to give his speech at around 10:30am. we will bring you some of that, live. joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. the grenfell tower inquiry begins hearing evidence on the causes of the fire this morning. barristers representing the inquiry, and the individuals and organisations taking part, will spend five days making their opening submissions. five separate reports from experts will also be published. at least 25 people have been killed and hundreds injured after a volcano erupted in guatemala. the fuego volcano, which is about 25
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miles away from the capital guatemala city, has been spewing black smoke and ash into the sky. there are reports of flows of lava striking at least one village. 0ur central america correspondent will grant has more. volcan de fuego‘s power is well—known in guatemala, it's one of the most active volcanoes in latin america, with people used to living in its shadow. however, moments of this magnitude are rare. eyewitnesses described a river of fire spewing down the mountainside. the victims and many of the injured were caught in its path, unable to react, before their simple homes were swept away by the lava. translation: not everyone escaped. i think they were buried. we saw the lava pouring through the corn fields and we ran towards a hill. ash has fallen across a wide area, even reaching the capital, guatemala city, some aokm away.
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meanwhile, falling molten rock remains a real threat to villages in the vicinity. evacuations are under way. the emergency services doing what they can amid treacherous conditions. the recent rains complicating their rescue efforts. the president has called a state of emergency. the international airport in guatemala city was closed for poor visibility. and roads have been cut off in several departments of the country. the last time locals remember seeing fuego so active was in the 1970s. with the number of dead steadily rising, and emergency services in the impoverished nation stretched, it is now a race to ensure the communities in the affected area are safe. will grant, bbc news. emergency measures to try to end weeks of delays and cancellations are being implemented on railways in the north—west and south—east of england today. northern and govia thameslink passengers have suffered two weeks
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of disruption, after timetable changes at the end of last month, described as "the largest for a generation". later today, the transport secretary chris grayling will meet with mps whose constituents have been affected. dave guest is at preston railway station for us. dave, tell us what they are doing and is it making a difference? well, it would be news if it wasn't another day of frustration for passengers on northern rail. 0ver the past few weeks since they introduced a controversial new timetable there have been frequent cancellations and delays. services cancelled with a moment or two's notices. northern have introduced another new timetable which they say aims to try to avert or they have withdrawn 165 services in the hope they will be able to run the rest of they will be able to run the rest of the more efficiently. so far, 38 cancellations across the northern
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franchise this morning and many more running late. lots of frustrated passengers at preston station to get to work and appointments and don't know when the train is going to come. the services have been cancelled and so on and so forth. buses ferrying people on some routes, they have suspended the service is completely to the lake district for the next few weeks. this comes as liverpool lime street station is closed for remodelling. another chaotic situation facing rail travellers in the northwest. northern apologising for this, they are trying to fix it but they say pa rt are trying to fix it but they say part of the problem is that the electrification of the route between manchester and preston has been horrendously delayed. causing delays to their own driver training programme, which means they don't a lwa ys programme, which means they don't always have drivers available to be in the cabs. that is little compensation to the passengers. manchester's mayor andy burnham calling for the franchise to be stripped from northern and saying at the very least northern should be
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offering substantial compensation to season—ticket holders those who bought advanced tickets. learner drivers in england, scotland and wales will be allowed onto motorways for lessons from today. the change is part of an effort to ensure new drivers are better prepared for driving at speed once they've been allowed to throw away their ‘l‘ plates. learners will still need to be accompanied by an instructor and driving a car with duel controls. stand—up comedian lee ridley has been crowned britain's got talent champion. i started off in a disabled steps tribute band. we were called ramps. laughter lee, who has cerebal palsy, wowed the judges and the millions watching on tv with jokes about his disability. police in the us state of colorado are investigating an fbi agent who accidentally shot a man in the leg while dancing in a bar in denver. the off—duty agent was performing a backflip when his gun fell to the floor. the pistol fired a shot, when he went to grab it. the agent was taken to police headquarters and later released.
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that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30am. after 10am, we will talk to lush's ethics director coming onto the programme to defend their latest campaign, targeting undercover police officers. you know there is controversy and public enquiry going on into how they behaved because a number of women say they were duped into relationships with undercover officers. 0n social media, the general reaction to their latest campaign is that these posters are targeting everyday cops. this e—mail from ian: there has literallyjust been a commemorative wreath laid for those lost in the westminster and london bridge terror attacks, police we re london bridge terror attacks, police were injured and murdered in these attacks whilst saving the lives of others. not to mention the care and life saving they do every day across
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the nation. being the son of a police officer and the brother of a police officer and the brother of a police officer, it disgusts me that lush will already stir an already volatile relationship with the police. we will talk to lush's ethics director just after 10am. police. we will talk to lush's ethics directorjust after 10am. we will also talk about love island. it is back tonight. we will talk about how successful it has been for former contestants. we will be talking about that later with some of last year's stars. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. let's get some sport, with hugh... there's a big match at the french open later — serena williams versus maria sharapova. they are not mad on each other it is fairto they are not mad on each other it is fair to say? yes, good morning, victoria. they haven't always seen eye to eye. it should be interesting later on in paris. serena williams on her way back to real fitness after the birth of her first child against maria sharapova who is also hoping to return to realform. that after her 15 month ban for a failed
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drugs test. much being made of the relationship between the pair. 0n their day, both great players, williams pick 23 grand slams, sharapova five of her own but this fourth round match at the french 0pen later, there is a bit of friction between the pair and not for the first time. they have met many times including in the 2004 women than final. won by sharapova. she recently wrote in her autobiography that defeat on that day left her in tears. weeping in the changing rooms. serena wasn't too pleased about that. especially after she lent sharapova public support following her failed after she lent sharapova public support following herfailed drugs test. here's what serena's had to say... i think the book was 100% hearsay. at least, all the stuff that i read, the quotes that i read, which was a bit disappointing. i am human. the quotes that i read, which was a bit disappointing. lam human. so, for me, it's totally normal. i think what happens there should
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definitely, maybe, stay there and not necessarily talk about it in a not necessarily talk about it in a not so positive way in a book. we'll see how the frustrations come out later — it's being dubbed ‘grudge match' by today's papers. and lots of people talking about the rivalry. but not necessarily as competitive as we might think? no. a lot is made of their so—called rivalry... but in all honesty — on court — virtually non—existent. 0ne—way street. the pair have met 21 times and williams has taken 19 of them. in fact, rather incredibly — in those 21 meetings sharapova has only taken seven sets. the pair may be more evenly matched a little later on — given williams's time off — it's just her seventh match back on tour and she she didn't play in any warm up tournaments on clay before getting to roland garros. one good omen i guess — she has played sharapova four times on clay — winning all four.
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it's still a big ask for maria... here's her view on the match—up... any time you play against serena, you know what you are up against. the challenge that is upon you. despite the record i have against her, i always look forward to coming out on the court and competing against the best player. it's been 14 years since she has beaten williams, maybe that run will come to an end, this afternoon. the bookmakers though, don't think it will happen... full commentary on 5live sports extra and the bbc sport website and app from around 3 o'clock... the top seeds rafa rafa nadal and simona halep both in action, we'll keep you updated across the day on bbc news... first this morning an update on a story we've been covering for the last few years — and it's a story with a good outcome. british national and father
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of three, andy tsege, spent four years on death row in ethiopia, after he was accused of being a terrorist by the authorities there. however, in a remarkable turnaround, and behind—the—scenes diplomacy between the uk and ethiopian governments, the father—of—three was pardoned and released last week. these are the pictures of him arriving back in britain on friday where he was of course reunited with his family. we've been following and reporting on his case for the last few years. andy tsege's twins, yilak and menabe, who are yilak and menabe, who are now 11, hadn't seen him or spoken to him for four years. here they are on this programme last week, where they described how they found out that their father would be coming home. he came up to me and he was, like, "i've got really good news". and we weren't actually supposed to know, because he, sort of, listened to our mum's conversation, on the phone. and we were going to find out later, because it wasn't official. so, mum didn't want to tell us, to get our hopes up, but he found out and he came up and he told me. we've already surprised
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and so happy. could you believe it, though? no, i don't think i really did, at first. when you think of your dad, what image comes into your head? because you haven't seen him or spoken to him for four years. i don't really know, because there's this picture that's up in our house, that's right near the doorway. it's the only thing that i really remember, to be honest. when i think of him, now. what about you ? i remember us in exmouth market, after we ate our final meal together. when we took that photo. how much have you missed him? a lot, very, very, very, very, very much. what about you ? i don't think i can explain how much i've missed him. what will be the first thing you say to him, when you see him? that i love him. ah... let's talk now to andy tsege in his first tv interview
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since being released. good morning. i can see you are emotional, seeing your twins interviewed last week that they did you proud. yeah. i had no clue, what they were doing. it was completely sealed, no form of information, there was no media. no newspaper, tv or radio. the only contact i had was my father that came once a week. no one else was allowed. they put restrictions to what he had to tell me. how are you able to put into words how much you missed them? it's difficult, really, to express. they we re difficult, really, to express. they were at an age where they knew everything. they were not really babies, you know? they were not grown—ups. they are seven—year—olds and we had a close relationship. i knew they would be hurt. what was
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reuniting with them like and your partner and your 18—year—old daughter? yes. it was very emotional, at the airport. i tried hard. i succeeded, emotional, at the airport. i tried hard. isucceeded, in emotional, at the airport. i tried hard. i succeeded, in fact, emotional, at the airport. i tried hard. isucceeded, in fact, to control my emotions and my tears. if i had broken down, it would have been disastrous. it wouldn't. people would have understood. yeah. what we re would have understood. yeah. what were the first things you said to them? ijust kept on hugging them. i couldn't say much. words couldn't come out. ijust couldn't say much. words couldn't come out. i just looked couldn't say much. words couldn't come out. ijust looked at them and i kissed them. i hugged them and i kissed them. did you think you might never see them again? yeah, there was a moment, especially in the early days, where i had no clue where i was. in fact. that changed after months, after i saw the british ambassador in ethiopia. and
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i started feeling a bit better. at least, you know, the british know where i am. and the government will ta ke where i am. and the government will take a measure, now, behind. you mean to kill you? yeah, i suspected they could just kill me and dumped me somewhere. because i was abducted. as far as i was concerned, you know, i believed no one noticed that abduction. it's quite extraordinary. you are a british ethiopian, a prominent member of an exiled political party. you were actually in yemen at an airport when you were abducted by the ethiopian authorities, tell our audience about that, what did they do?” authorities, tell our audience about that, what did they do? i was travelling from dubai to asmara, eritrea. i was in transit. yemen airways. i was in transit in the airport. the plane arrived and they
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put us in a bus to take us to a waiting room. we went in there and they had to transport us to another waiting room. the moment i got onto the bus, they shut the door and i was the only one there, i was the first one to go into it. they drove the bus into a place, some kind of, you know, a dead end place within the airport. and a shabby room. these are the yemeni intelligence guys, these are the yemeni intelligence guys, they kept me there for six hours until the chartered claim that brought the ethiopian intelligence services they took me to ethiopia. blindfolded, handcuffed at my back. take around my eyes. —— i had tape around my eyes. what about your mouth? everything. they put a sack over my head. a bag over your head?
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yes. they handcuffed me as well, with my hands at my back. i believe it was a small plane because the steps were very few to go into it. when you were first taken, were you in solitary confinement and if so, for how long? yeah. i was under the custody of the intelligence services for a year custody of the intelligence services fora yearand a custody of the intelligence services for a year and a month in solitary confinement. in a room, isaw for a year and a month in solitary confinement. in a room, i saw nobody except the guys, you know, that were posted to... to look after me. and how would you describe what it's like being in solitary confinement? how did that affect you? it was terrible. the whole dayjust in one room for a whole year. later on, i got a bit of respite because i asked them for a laptop, to write what i feel about the government and the
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views i had. the situation in ethiopia. it was in their interest. they gave me that laptop and once i had that, at least, you know, i spent a lot of time writing a document. should the ethiopian government be recognised for what they have now done? which is, obviously, have pardoned you. they accused you of being a terrorist, effectively, and to have released you? well, not the government, because the government is still there but the current leader it shows he has a strong will and goodwill to do things. he will face a lot of challenges because there area a lot of challenges because there are a lot of die—hards within that organisation. but as an individual, he can take the credit for what he has done. did the british government do enough? there are controversies about it but i believe they did. because i know how they operate. britain doesn't have a lot of
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diplomacy, they don't scream like other countries. i know they were doing their best behind the scenes. and the future for you? there are problems in ethiopia. the absence of democracy, peace, and absence of freedom is still there. i will work and work hard to mobilise people to bring about necessary democratic change in ethiopia. thank you very much. thank you for having me and thank you for everything you did. thank you. stay there for a moment, andy tsege, if you wouldn't mind, thank you so much. a new crucial stage in the grenfell tower inquiry begins today with the focus shifting to how the fire started and spread so rapidly. five expert reports will be published during this phase. 0ur reporter tom burridgejoins us from west london, where the inquiry will be taking place. what sort of things will it be
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looking at? it is a crucial day for the loved ones killed in the fire, anyone else who wants to know the truth. today, we get the opening statement from the leading barrister representing the enquiry, richard miller qc is investigating all of the facts of that night in the run—up to the fire and after. he will get the whole of today for his opening statement. it is important, the scope and ground he has to cover. secondly, we will get what we are calling a data dump at 10am this morning, five reports commissioned by the public enquiry. written and produced by experts in fire safety and fire engineering, the people who have dedicated their lives's career making sure that they are fire resista nt. making sure that they are fire resistant. five reports at 10am, hundreds of pages long, a huge amount of information to trawl through today for journalists amount of information to trawl through today forjournalists and anyone else who wants to know more
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about why the fire happened and why so many people were killed. let's talk to rukayet mamudu, who lived on the first floor of the tower and escaped with her grandson. isis amlak, who is a community activist and lives near the tower. and a member of the grenfell media watch. joe batty, from the kensington and chelsea social council, which helps voluntary groups in the area. attiq malik is a solicitor that has been helping survivors of grenfell. and arnold tarling is here, he's a building safety expert. i'm going to start with you, if i may, i wonder what you want from this part of the enquiry mrs mamudu. justice. good morning everybody. good morning. we wantjustice. justice in the sense that we have to
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be listened to, to understand what went on. before the judgment will be given. as it is, now, it doesn't look like we are being well represented. when you say justice, mrs mamudu, what specifically do you mean? fair and a thorough investigation. into what... before and after the fire. should be well explained to the panel... then they will be able to decide... what justice we deserve. 0k. let me bring in the community activist who lives near the tower, what do you want from the inquiry? i would echo what mrs mamudu has said, justice. primarily, we need to have this
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matter fully investigated, we need to have confidence in it. do you have confidence? i am not confident in the judge at all. i confidence concerned about who is on the panel —— i have concerns. about the knowledge of the community. they need to uncover the truth of what happened. there is history to sew socio— ethnic cleansing. they were complicit in. i would like to see, no convictions for members of the council, they know who they are, who are guilty and corporate manslaughter charges. ultimately, the voices of those people that lived in the tower and local residents need to be heard. we need to be validated and vindicated. it has been too much and too long that people have been fighting and asking and pointing out the risk and they have not been listened to. tell our audience who he is. ed is a member of the grandpa action group. he escaped from the tower. he put it
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succinctly when he said that... —— the grenfell action group. have a think about it. i want to bring in the building safety expert. we now know that 306 tower blocks in britain have failed safety tests on their cladding since the grenfell fire. councils up and down britain we re fire. councils up and down britain were potentially being told by the industry that the kind of cladding that was on the outside of grenfell was fire resistant. what questions do you have around that? that whole syste m do you have around that? that whole system is completely broken. it is notjust the 300 plus residential blocks, it is office blocks, leisure centres, hotels, it isa blocks, leisure centres, hotels, it is a whole range of different buildings where this material has got onto. which bit of the system is broken? the fact that somebody signs of these buildings as being fireproof? it goes to approved
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document b and the way in which that leads people to conclude that materials are safe. just to let our audience know, approved document ab is the government regulation which says that stuff on the outside of these buildings has to have limited combustibility? —— approved document approved document b. you have the syste m approved document b. you have the system where you have the actual building regulations. and then after that, you have got the approved document which tells you how you can achieve compliance. it is those documents that are wrong. i hope that the inquiry will see through the reinterpretation of words. the reinterpretation of passages, which... does not... reflect... what was being said at the time. what concerns do you have around the fact that these kinds of cladding... it
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was never tested for fire safety in situ? it was tested on a desktop. desktop study is flawed completely. the whole system has to change and we have to be far more rigorous and far more specific as to what you can and cannot use. from the kensington and cannot use. from the kensington and chelsea social cancer, you help and chelsea social cancer, you help a voluntary groups in the area. what would you like from this part of the enquiry? i would like something that goes now, and that's the community sta rts goes now, and that's the community starts to be put central to the recovery. that should start now and not wait until the enquiry comes to an end, or even this part of the enquiry coming to an end. the community needs to be integral to its own recovery and needs to be listened to in a way it wasn't listened to in a way it wasn't listened to in a way it wasn't listened to previously. do you think it has been listened to in the last couple of weeks? i think it has been listened to to a degree but still
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the same errors are made where communities are being consulted but are not the architects of their recovery. they need to be able to plan for their own recovery, like some of the charities that are now starting from within the community needs to be supported on going, not just in the next 12 months. they need to be allowed to flourish because they are now providing the a nswer because they are now providing the answer is the community wants. when you say they need to be allowed to flourish, do they need resources from taxpayers? i think so. you would like government grants? we would like government grants? we would like government grants? we would like charitable and government gra nts to would like charitable and government grants to continue for the long term and not just 12 months. grants to continue for the long term and notjust 12 months. as a solicitor helping survivors at grenfell, what do you want from this enquiry? we want, what everybody wants, which is justice. enquiry? we want, what everybody wants, which isjustice. the question is, what isjustice in this situation and what form does it take? it takes steps. the first step
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is answer is, what happened and why did it happen and how. the hope is the public enquiry will uncover that. the next step is accountability, and how will they be held accountable in both the criminaland held accountable in both the criminal and civil arenas and what and answers can we learn so it doesn't happen again. and it has to start with an end with the victims. it's all about them. they are not the only victims because it could happen anywhere in the country. there could be further victims and there has to be recompense for those who have suffered. what price can you put on the loss of life and lives destroyed? you put on the loss of life and lives destroyed ? you you put on the loss of life and lives destroyed? you can't, but there has to be something. you are talking about on top of the charitable donations, some £25 million was given to the survivors and those around in the community. according to the charities commission, around £24 million of that has been handed out. charitable
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donations comes from the people in the country. when this happened it was heartbreaking and the level of support they saw at grenfell was astonishing. if anybody talks about diversity in this country not working, that shows this is completely wrong. we are talking about recompense from those responsible for this. not from the ordinary person at home who has seen this on the tv and wants to help. there have been criticisms of the charitable donations from the beginning, as to whether those donations average the people who need it. i don't think the residents who are still waiting to be harassed, around 82 of them, would say they have seen any of that 27 million. where is it? do you hope that as a result of this enquiry, that as a result of this enquiry, that the state put policy, which was the policy of the fire brigade on the policy of the fire brigade on the night, should be changed. —— the state put policy. it's reported that
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for many tower blocks and apartments in the area, the stay put policy is still in place. we hear that it is still in place. we hear that it is still in place. we hear that it is still in place, but the policy has to be thoroughly, thoroughly looked into. it was a big disaster. and that was a wake—up call for every member of the system, to understand that they should change the policy. thank you to all of you and thank you for coming onto the programme and we will see what comes out of this phase of the enquiry. still to come. a fisherman convicted along with four others of smuggling £53 million of cocaine in one of the uk‘s biggest drug trials ever gives his exclusive interview to this programme — his first since being released from prison in march.
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he he's promising to clear his name after just been released he he's promising to clear his name afterjust been released from prison. it was the most talked about programme of last summer — the bafta—awa rd winning love island returns tonight — we'll be talking to two of its most popular stars. an isle of wight fisherman convicted of trying to smuggle £53 million of cocaine into the country has told this programme he will continue to fight to clear his name. scott birtwhistle, who's 27, was speaking to us in his first interview after being released from prison. he was 19 when he was found guilty in 2011 and has served half his 14—year sentence. the other four men convicted with him are still injail on longer sentences. all say they are completely innocent. 0ur reportjim reed was there as scott birtwhistle was freed after seven years inside, and brings you this exclusive film. a dull, grey morning at the gates of rochester prison. 0utside, two parents wait for their son to walk out,
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after seven years inside. as a teenager, scott birtwhistle was convicted of playing a part in one of the biggest drug plots in british history. give us a cuddle! those convicted with him are still in prison, all still adamant they did nothing wrong. what's next for you ? me? trying to adapt to reality. i spent so long in prison... yeah, it's messed me up a bit, but i've just got to get my life back on track. scott birtwhistle's life changed on a may bank holiday, eight years ago. he was the youngest man on this fishing boat, as it left the isle of wight on a three—day trip to catch lobster. that night, a major surveillance
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operation was under way. police had intelligence a large amount of cocaine was on board a giant container ship in the channel. picture of a bag recovered. a day later, the fishing boat sailed back. the crew were arrested and charged with picking up the drugs and hiding them here in this bay. scott's now 27 years old and four other men were later convicted. all were given long prison sentences. i'll be honest, i can't even put it into words, how i felt. ijust couldn't believe it. it didn't seem real whatsoever. at that moment, were you expecting that? were you nervous? not at all. literally, with the trial and that, but the evidence the prosecution was coming outwith, thinking, there is nothing. there's nothing here, whatsoever.
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eventually, saying guilty, were you at the same trial, even? the case against the men was complex. a detailed forensic search of the fishing boat could not find a single trace of cocaine. so, the prosecution was based on three key pieces of evidence. navigational data, which showed the boat near the suspect container ship. phone calls made from the mainland to the boat and the accounts of two police officers on these cliffs as something was dropped off near to where the drugs were later found. the men are now being represented by the centre for criminal appeals. the small law practice, which specialises in possible miscarriage—of—justice cases. we are a small charity. we have to focus our resources on the cases that matter. the cases where the wrongful
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conviction is most apparent and provable. and in this case, each week that's passed, each document that we've received and examined, every piece we've done involving experts has revealed flaw after flaw in the evidence that was presented to the jury. that night, the fishing boat the gowad had its navigational computer switched on, recording its position every few minutes. charts used in courts and accepted by both sides at trial appeared to show it coming close to the 0rian, a huge container ship sailing from brazil to holland. oh, it was rough. from what i can remember it was just going out for a fishing trip. like we always do. it's always rough in the channel.
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the boat we've got was built for the weather. scott birtwhistle was the deck boss on the boat that night, responsible for preparing the bait and buying supplies for the crew. what was your plan, and where you were going? i'll be honest, we normally work in the same fishing grounds, roughly. it's not like we have a big conference and we say, we're going here, we're going there. we just get on the boat, we make sure everything is ready, we try to get some sleep before we get into the fishing gear and you need as much sleep as you can get. did you see other ships? other vessels? co nsta ntly. especially where we were working, its the middle of the shipping lanes. the english channel is one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world. you are always getting container ships coming up, you've got ferries, yachts, all sorts. the prosecution case was that your boat came into contact with this other container ship, the 0rian. do you remember seeing that container ship, do you remember anything about that? it's like a needle in a haystack. you've got container ships coming left, right and centre.
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i think on that night i don't remember the number but i'm sure it was over 100 different container ships going by. it's like going down the motorway, are you going to remember all the cars you see? that night, there was a new man on the fishing boat, zuran dresic, known to the others as vic. at trial, it emerged he was from montenegro in eastern europe and in the country illegally. i remember making him toast because he was really ill, trying to settle his stomach a bit. yeah, he spoke a little english. he seemed a nice enough bloke. was it unusual for someone who speaks little english to be on the boat? not in the slightest. the fishing industry, it's incredibly hard to get crew. the majority of fishermen will get in immigrants to work. literally, a new bloke will turn up, it's just a new face you've got to work with. the prosecution made
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the case that dresic was the connection to the drugs, on board to supervise the pick up. around the time they neared the 0rian, calls were made from a mobile phone bought with a false name to the satellite phone on the fishing boat. the defence said vic was seasick and trying to speak to a man on the mainland who set up his job. there's a key part of the prosecution case that the phone calls are being made to this man from some mobile phones on the mainland. now, those phones were bought with fake names, that day. you can appreciate how that would look to the jury. of course, yeah. i can see, anyone seeing that is going to look suspect. but, obviously, importing immigrants is illegal, so you are not going to want to have contact so that the police are going to be able to see intercepting calls from illegal immigrants because you are bringing them in. but then these phone calls were being madejust before the fishing boat would have been
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near one of the container ships. you can ask me all the questions like, but i haven't got a clue. i wasn't on the phone, didn't use the phone, didn't see no—one on the phone. the next day, the fishing boat sailed back, passing through freshwater bay, off the isle of wight. two hampshire police officers were here on these cliffs, keeping watch as part of the wider surveillance operation. they called in on their radio to say they'd seen six or seven items thrown off the boat at intervals. but no other action was taken at the time, and the officers left the area. do you remember anything being thrown off the side of the boat at that time? yeah, i remember throwing off some black bags of rubbish, which, obviously, i know i shouldn't be polluting the sea. but, literally, you're coming in, you're knackered, you just want to go home. you are clearing bits of cardboard. the bait comes in, the food we were using, you just launch it off the back.
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at what point are you going to start pulling these things at the water? the next morning, the coast guard was called. a member of the public spotted 11 coloured sacks wrapped around a buoy in the same bay. he cut one open. it was full of white powder. later that day, the two new hampshire policemen changed their entry in the surveillance log to clarify what they'd seen. instead of six to seven items thrown off the fishing boat, it became ten to 12 items the size of a holdall tied together in a line followed by a buoy. an exact description of the drugs found in the bay. i think the whole thing was, they found cocaine, they didn't know whose it was, where it came from and we were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. they had no one else. i mean there have been investigations into this. the ipcc looked into it. soca, the ccrc have looked into it. they say, look, you know, mistakes
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were made by those officers. but, fundamentally, they don't see there's any deliberate act of wrongdoing. they don't think they're making it up. of course, they're going to look after their own, aren't they? they've spent so many millions of pounds on this case already... what will they look like in the public eye when this all eventually does come out? which it will. after passing through freshwater bay, the fishing boat sailed back to its home port of yarmouth. it was early evening. and scott says he went for a beer, while the skipperjamie green and the first mate dan payne went their separate ways. i got a call from jamie. i had to go back to the boat. pick up some lobsters and take them to the restaurant. i was carrying them back. the next minute, the police jumped on everyone. i'm looking around thinking, what is going on? like, why are they arresting everyone, why are they jumping on everyone? i was thinking, surely they are going to arrest me
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but i walked straight through everyone, walked into the bar, took the lobsters there and i spoke to jamie's wife. i said, i've really no idea what's going on, but they just arrested jamie for something. crucially though, scott didn't turn himself in. when he was questioned, he and the other crew members told police he was not on board the fishing boat that night. you decided not to come forward at that stage. and then... i had nothing to come forward for. but then when you were interviewed by the police... yeah. you lied about whether you were on that boat. yeah, yeah, i did lie. you can understand how that would, that would look. 0h, of course, yeah. but you've got to put yourself in my position. i was 19 years old. everyone on the boat had been arrested for drug importation. i knew full well there were no drugs on that boat. and i, i was scared.
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i'll be honest, totally honest with you — i was really scared. a year later the case went to trial. by that stage scott had changed his story, admitting he was on the boat but adamant he and the other men knew nothing about drug running or sacks of cocaine. the jury was split so the judge accepted a majority verdict. the men were all found guilty and sentenced to up to 24 years each. they say when you piece everything together, when you look at the navigational data, when you look at the phone calls, when you look at the lies that were told to the police afterwards, when you piece all that together, it doesn't look great for you and your other... 0h, of course it doesn't look great, yeah. but that's the thing. it is circumstantial. there is no proven facts. there is no hard facts. i can't see how in this country, in this day and age, they can convict someone on something circumstantial. because it could have happened. there's a possibility it could have happened. i've lost the last seven years in my life. i've gone from being 20 years old, i'm now 27. and that's a massive part of my life i've just lost for nothing.
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literally nothing at all. i've done nothing wrong. it'sjust gone. did you ever get offered anything by the police? i vaguely remember an officer coming to me at one stage when i was in a police cell and saying something along those lines. i can't remember exactly what it was because my heads in a bit of a mess at the time, but... what was the gist? the gist was like, obviously if i told them something i could be released or whatever or more lenient or all that sort of stuff. but if you don't know anything you can't tell them. lawyers for the men are now working on the next stage of their legal case. last year the criminal cases review commission or ccrc ruled there's not enough new evidence to send it back to the court of appeal. but two of the men still in prison are now planning to go directly to a judge, to decide if there should be a retrial or dismissal. with scott being released, that leaves four other men still behind bars on this very unsafe conviction, and serving long sentences. so it was a very bittersweet
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day when scott got out. these things are hard to know for sure. i just wonder if there are some days you sit there at night thinking, maybe these guys are guilty of what they were accused of? the criminal justice system is suppose to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt before it locks someone up. it's for the court of appeal to make that ultimate determination. and it will. we just want the chance to present evidence to the court so that they can make a fully informed decision. you could see why people might watch this and think, look, he would say this wouldn't he? he's not going to admit on national television he was responsible for this crime. what have i got to gain? really, what have i got to gain, coming on national tv if i was guilty? surely, if i was guilty i would just let it lie, i've served my time and i'm out. why would i keep fighting for it
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even though i've been released from prison? what would be the sense in that? drug smuggling carries a long sentence. two of the other men convicted are still serving 24 years for their part in this plot. a jury was convinced of their guilt. a judge will now decide if they get a second chance to clear their names. we will talk more about that potential second chance later in the programme. coming up... widespread outrage as cosmetic retailer lush covers its windows with police tape, pictures of officers and slogans like "paid to lie". the company's ethics director will bejoining us, along with a former undercover policeman and a woman who discovered that her partner was an undercover officer. bafta—award winning love island returns tonight —
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and it's bigger than ever, with an hour's dose six nights a week, for eight weeks. stormzy‘s a fan. so are liam gallagher and ex—england cricket captain michael vaughan. for those who haven't followed every coupling and break up the idea is simple. put a group of impeccably—groomed, attractive young men and women into a mallorcan villa. encourage them to get into couples and watch what happens. the most popular couple at the end of the eight weeks win £50,000. you might recognise a few of the faces from the highlights montage here with me now. montana rose—brown was one of the most popular contestants on last year's series — she says she regrets having sex on the programme and that is seen as "too casual." jonny mitchell was also on last year's series — he was criticised for being too "controlling" over one of the contestants he was coupled with. emma kelly is an entertainment reporterfor the metro newspaper —
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she'd like to see the shaming of women who choose to have sex on the programme stop. montana, tell us why you recently said he regretted having sex on the programme, isn't that part of the programme? i don't think it should be part of the show. 0ne programme? i don't think it should be part of the show. one day i hope to bea be part of the show. one day i hope to be a mother and have kids. i a lwa ys to be a mother and have kids. i always think it's a trump card that can be used in future, whether that's in the workplace, in my kids' school. it's a card where people can judge you. sol school. it's a card where people can judge you. so i do regret it. so you had watched the programme before you went on, so you know what happens. why did you have sex on the programme? i know. when you have been there for so long, and after two months you forget the cameras are there. it's not something you do consciously. the cameras are very heading, it's not like there is a visible camera crew. so you do forget, unfortunately, and it
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happened to me. and where you shamed afterwards ? happened to me. and where you shamed afterwards? i don't think montana was shamed as much as perhaps previous contestants. i think it changed a little bit last year in that it wasn't... the women were not attacked in the house, and people saw it as part and parcel. but i think a lot of the women on the show, there is a feeling of, she has done this, so she is easy. but absolutely nothing is said about the guys. i think the way it happens in the house is reflected in young people in general. so it normalises sex. guess what, young people have sex! whether they are on love islander or working, at university, whatever. to be honest, personally, i think it promotes casual sex will stop if people want to have casual sex, that's fine. it doesn't need promotion though, does it? sex, that's fine. it doesn't need promotion though, does mm doesn't. it happens anyway, it
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doesn't. it happens anyway, it doesn't need an extra boost from something like love island. johnny, before we talked generally about the new series, the criticism you received about being too controlling last year. how do you respond to that? you have to bear in mind that you see one hour every day. i got given a certain role last year, the villain. it's the same, people are coming in and trying to mess with you and stuff and i think i got targeted. controlling, i don't really see it as controlling. it's the same as everyone else, it's like a pressure cooker in there. do you think you are misrepresented? massively. montana, how are you doing? i'm good. tell them about me. i think he was misrepresented. i thinkjohnny got a hard paper round.
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he'sa thinkjohnny got a hard paper round. he's a lovely guy, and when people ask me who i stay in contact with andl ask me who i stay in contact with and i say johnny, ask me who i stay in contact with and i sayjohnny, and when they question it, i say, he's a nice guy. thank you! what has love island taught us about ourselves, if anything? i think it's reflective of society in general? meaning we all go around having casual sex?” society in general? meaning we all go around having casual sex? i think it's more accepted, and younger girls and guys are more fluid and more willing to have sex with who they want to have sex with, and it's not considered old—fashioned. and it's under a magnifying glass and sensationalised, but it is basically what is happening. it might not be happening to gorgeous people in bikinis in their villa in this incredible holiday place, but it does happen at university, at work, at 18-30 does happen at university, at work, at 18—30 holidays. does happen at university, at work, at 18-30 holidays. although they are less popular now. johnny, how much do you think the programme is about the way people look, bikinis and
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shorts that they wear and don't wear? that is part of it, sure, but i don't think looks play a massive pa rt i don't think looks play a massive part in it. i know what the casting process is like and i know they look for personality above everything else. they want a good tv show and they want entertainment. putting a load of ten out of ten fitness models in their might not be great television. it might be great to look at but it might not give the same entertainment value. so i think they concentrate more on personalities than anything else. but everybody also seems to be beautiful. that's a coincidence. emma, you are still crossed that two yea rs emma, you are still crossed that two years ago zara holden lost her miss great britain title. why are you still cross? zara holland was miss great britain would you went into the villa and had sex with somebody who went on the show on the first night she met him and was stripped of her title. eventually she left the villa for different reasons, but thatis the villa for different reasons, but
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that is what she is known for now. the second series is now streaming netflix in the run—up to this new series. and watching it, the treatment of her was horrible, not just by people on the outside, but people on the inside saying she was stupid for doing it. having had sex on love island and regretting it, montana, if that happens again this series, a woman and man having consensual sex, will you judge them? to be honest, on the second series, when i saw people having sex, i thought, i would when i saw people having sex, i thought, iwould never do when i saw people having sex, i thought, i would never do that, when i saw people having sex, i thought, iwould never do that, but you never know what it is like until you never know what it is like until you are in the villa. your emotions get ahead of you. two weeks feels like two months and everything is heightened and intense. 0f like two months and everything is heightened and intense. of course i would notjudge them because i know the situation is and how they feel. johnny come you went on to big brother. you can't get enough of these reality tv shows. having said
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you were misrepresented by love island, you still went on to big brother! i'm not going to turn it down, am i? money's money. so it's just about the money?” down, am i? money's money. so it's just about the money? i have done it all before, and it was easy. thanks for coming on. that's itv2 from 9pm. news and sport is on the way, but here's the weather with carol. and east—west split in the weather now. you can split that further by including central areas in the cloudy band. showers across the channel islands, south—west england and wales. the heaviest ones are likely to be across dumfries & galloway, argyll and bute and parts
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of northern ireland, where the met office has issued a weather warning with potential torrential rain and lightning. temperatures are down on yesterday. in london yesterday we hit 27, but today is more likely to be 20. through this evening and overnight, more cloud coming from the north sea over much of the uk. drizzle coming out of that with patchy mist and fog. temperatures down on last night. having said that, it will still be quite muggy across southern england and south wales. tomorrow we start off on a cloudy note but it will improve in the north with sunshine develop across scotland, northern england and wales. hello it's monday, it's10am, i'm victoria derbyshire... the cosmetic retailer lush has sparked outrage with its campaign about undercover policing. its shop windows have been covered in police tape and have slogans like "paid to lie". we'll be hearing from all sides of the debate including from lush themselves who say
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they've been "flummoxed" by the public‘s response. as well as a former undercover cop and a woman who had a relationship with an undercover police officer. he was kidnapped, handcuffed, tape put over his mouth and a bag over his head, and taken to ethiopia. in his first tv interview after four years on death row, andy tsege tells us how it felt arriving back in london to see the children he thought he'd never see again. it was very emotional, at the airport, you know. i tried hard, and i succeeded, in fact, you know, to control my emotions and my tears. if i had broken, you know, it would have been disastrous. and we'll be hearing from one of the isle of wight fishermen jailed for smuggling £53 million of cocaine. after being released from prison he protests his innocence and has vowed to clear his name. in an exclusive interview with us.
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what have i got to gain? really, what have i got to gain, coming onto national tv, if i was guilty? like, surely, if i was guilty, i would just let it lie, serve my time and i'm out. why would i keep fighting for it, even though i've been released from prison? more from that exclusive interview after 10:30am. here's joanna gosling in the bbc newsroom with a summary of todays news. the grenfell tower inquiry begins hearing evidence on the causes of the fire. barristers representing the inquiry, and the individuals and organisations taking part, will spend five days making their opening submissions. five separate reports from experts will also be published. information about people suspected of being under the influence of extremists is to be shared more widely, and more quickly, under a new strategy launching today. in his first major speech as home secretary, sajid javid will announce a change in the government's counter—terrorism strategy to deal with what he calls a shift in the threat faced by the uk. at least 25 people have
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been killed and hundreds injured after a volcano erupted in guatemala. the fuego volcano, which is about 25 miles away from the capital guatemala city, has been spewing black smoke and ash into the sky. there are reports of flows of lava striking at least one village. several areas have been evacuated and the capital's airport has closed. emergency measures to try to end weeks of delays and cancellations are being implemented on railways in the north—west and south—east of england today. northern and govia thameslink passengers have suffered two weeks of disruption after timetable changes at the end of last month, described as "the largest for a generation". later today, the transport secretary chris grayling will meet with mps whose constituents have been affected. learner drivers in england, scotland and wales will be allowed onto motorways for lessons from today. the change is part of an effort to ensure new drivers are better prepared for driving at speed once they've been allowed to throw away their ‘l‘ plates.
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learners will still need to be accompanied by an instructor and driving a car with duel controls. the university of cambridge says it needs the help of parents and schools if it is to improve the diversity of potential students. it comes as new figures showed that some of its colleges had admitted very few or no black applicants over a five year period. very few or no black applicants over a five—year period. the details, released under the freedom of information act, revealed six of 29 colleges accepted fewer than ten black british students or those with mixed african—caribbean backgrounds. stand—up comedian lee ridley has been crowned britain's got talent champion. i started off in a disabled steps tribute band. we were called ramps. laughter lee, who has cerebal palsy, wowed the judges and the millions
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watching on tv with jokes about his disability. detective sergeant nick bailey, who fell ill after helping sergei skripal and his daughter yulia, following their exposure to a nerve agent in salisbury, is said to be recovering well. speaking to the bbc, wiltshire's chief constable kier pritchard said ds nick bailey and his family are being given full support and that he looks forward to when he comes back to full duty. ds bailey went back into work for one day last week to meet friends and colleagues. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10.30am. the home secretary, sajid javid, is set to outline a new government counter—terror strategy this morning. we will have all the details. in about 25 minutes' time. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. here's some sport now with hugh.
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there was a very good weekend for england's cricketers at headingley with a test match win inside three days over pakistan. butjoe root, the team's captain, has warned that the victory must not be used to "paper over the cracks", insisting there's still plenty of work to do. it was their first test victory in nine matches, and it was a comprehensive one. they were already way ahead whenjos buttler hit a brilliant unbeaten 80. and there wasn't much pakistan's batsmen could do, england winning by an innings and 55 runs, but root said that didn't mean all their problems were over. asa group as a group it's really important we don't use this to paper over the cracks. we have work to do. long—term, where we want to go to. a very enjoyable week. a very tough week at lord's, we showed a lot of character, really pleasing from my part. it is a great step in the right direction. england bowler chris woa kes took four wickets in that match, but he's been ruled out of sunday's one—day
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international against scotland with a thigh strain. he's replaced by surrey‘s tom curran. there could be some extra tension on court at the french open this afternoon, when serena williams faces maria sharapova in the quarter—finals. williams isn't too happy with comments sharapova made in her autobiography which came out last year. sharapova talks about williams a lot in the book, and claims she heard the american crying in the changing rooms after she beat her in the 2004 wimbledon final. i think the book was 100% hearsay. at least, all the stuff that i read, the quotes that i read, which was a bit disappointing. iam human. so, for me, it's totally normal. i think what happens there should definitely, maybe, stay there and not necessarily talk about it
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in a not—so—positive way in a book. there are only ten days to go until the world cup gets underway in russia, so england manager gareth southgate would have had a keen eye on costa rica's match against northern ireland yesterday. england's final warm—up match is against the costa rica ns on wednesday, and they impressed, winning 3—0. and after three months out with injury, one of football's biggest stars, neymar, returned to the brazil side to score a stunning opener in their 2—0 win over croatia at anfield, showing why he'll be crucial in the tilt at a sixth world cup triumph. cycling is a treacherous business and geraint thomas was left smarting, after a high—speed crash in the criterium du dauphine, the traditional warm—up race for the tour de france. he misjudged a bend in the prologue, taking off some skin along the way. despite that, he only trails by 21 seconds. thomas is leading team sky in the absence of a resting chris froome. that's all the sport for now.
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the cosmetic retailer lush has told this programme that it is "flummoxed" by the anger and outrage caused by its new campaign about undercover policing. lush shop windows have been covered in police tape, pictures of officers and slogans like "police spies out of our lives" and "paid to lie". the campaign has been condemned by the home secretary, by crime chiefs and a few members of the general public, who have called it offensive, disgusting and an insult to hard working police officers. but lush's ethics director has told us they are only criticising a certain type of policing, not bobbies on the beat, and that people seem to be "be taking insult where none is intended". here's lush's ethics director, hilaryjones. also here is andrea, that's not her real name. in 2015, she found out a man she had previously had a long—term
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relationship with was actually an undercover police officer, and she's talking to us anonymously today. and former undercover detective for scotland yard peter bleksley is here. he was an undercover cop for ten yea rs. hilary, let's show our audience this. this is your campaign. the copper on the right looks like a bobby on the beat. you have acknowledged this. that's why your campaign has ended up insulting everyday police officers. yes, but... you agree it has insulted them because that looks like a bobby on the beat. they have made it clear it is insulting them but all coppers start their career in that outfit. we have had undercover cops come out on twitter and say here's a photo of me in my bobby ‘s outfit, here is a photo of me undercover. do you acknowledge that it looks like you are saying
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that it looks like you are saying that everyday police officers are paid to live? no, i don't, actually. what does it look like you if an everyday police officer? it is about the spy cops. i know what you wanted to be about but what is the reality? the reality is there is a police unit that has gone into people's lives and lied about who they are. but they don't look like that. but they do, that's the start of their career and that's where they have been placed on operative duties. peter, what do you think of it?” think lush's campaign, whilst highlighting an area of undercover policing about which there are a lot of questions that should rightfully be asked, theircampaign of questions that should rightfully be asked, their campaign has been very clumsy. it has used these generic things, which members of the public and offices themselves just readily identify with policing. the barrier tape, we see that everywhere on the news, virtually every night. and the policeman's helmet, of
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course, is an iconic image. i think the message lush were trying to get over has been purely and simply lost amongst these very generic images.” would be sorry if it has been com pletely lost would be sorry if it has been completely lost because obviously the important thing about this is that a public inquiry and we need the public to keep it on track. that's what we were trying to reach out. do you do you think you have failed in this campaign?” out. do you do you think you have failed in this campaign? i don't think we've failed, no. you were a bit hesitant. i'm hesitant because i am here talking to you about coppers on the beat, not talking about the real injustices that have happened. whose responsibility is that? it started from your campaign. absolutely. and we can only try our best. it was a story that wasn't being talked about and here i am talking about it. we have talked about it a lot on this programme. calum macleod chair of the police federation of england and wales, said: "the lush advertising campaign is offensive, disgusting and an insult to the hard work, professionalism and dedication of police officers throughout the uk". it has to be possible in a democracy
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to criticise when the police do something wrong. we can praise them for the wonderful work they do 99.9% of the time, but we have to have the right to question when things go wrong. home secretary sajid javid: "never thought i would see a mainstream british retailer running a public advertising campaign against our hardworking police. this is not a responsible way to make a point". it's not against the hard—working police. that is what the home secretary thinks. i would never thought we would have a situation where police were outed for doing these things. it was so serious that these things. it was so serious that the then home secretary, theresa may, called for a public inquiry. which is ongoing. let me bring in andrea, talking to us anonymously. you discovered in 2015 a long—term relationship you had had was with an undercover police officer, what do you think? i was fully behind the campaign and was involved. lush didn't do this without asking for the input of activists who were
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affected. they were hugely sensitive to the issues of women who had been deceived into long—term relationships like myself. let's have a look at the short video that is on the lush website, dramatised shoving an undercover officer going ona shoving an undercover officer going on a date with an activist. —— it is a dramatisation showing. seriously? you just have to take my word for it. i will, yes, you just have to take my word for it. iwill, yes, iwill. thanks you just have to take my word for it. i will, yes, i will. thanks for dinner. it's fine. ididn't it. i will, yes, i will. thanks for dinner. it's fine. i didn't know you we re dinner. it's fine. i didn't know you were wearing this. i love it. i love you. you know that, right? sound distorts. # the man who disappeared...
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tell our audience what it's like to learn that the man you fell in love with got engaged to and were talking about having children with wasn't the man you thought he was at all. and if that was an undercover officer. i think it's quite a devastating thing. for ten years i had no idea. the person that i loved, the person i was engaged to, as farasl loved, the person i was engaged to, as far as i was concerned, had a psychological breakdown due to difficulties. and he left me. for leading me, they had periods of absence, threatening suicide, periods when i was so worried that it affected my health and well—being. it affected my health and well— being. ten years it affected my health and well—being. ten years later, i discovered that, actually, all of
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that was a complete facade and that entire fiction had been implanted in my life in order to spy on other people. i was devastated. i was confused. it made me question the past, it made me question what happened at the time, what happened afterwards. it tries to encapsulate that that two the relationship has had an ongoing impact for well over a decade. every single disclosure brings up new things. it's not that you find out once and that's the end of it, there are disclosures of the disclosure. i have to say, the film captures that back room. he wasn't a rogue officer, he was part of the sts, they had a tradecraft which taught them how to do this. they we re taught them how to do this. they were supposedly going to have fleeting and disastrous relationships, that was instructed in the manual but two years living with someone is not fleeting or disastrous. it was completely involved in my family life, my work life, my family loved him, they knew him, my work colleagues. what about the points that peter made, using
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the points that peter made, using the black and yellow barrier tape? using the bobbies helmet misses the mark. i was struck over the weekend by peter francis, who i am sure peter knows well. another, police officer. he was in the sts and he would have been there just before the ex—partner that i believed to be my partner who was actually in the sts. he posted an image of himself in uniform and himself as he is now. he has said he is wholeheartedly behind the campaign because alongside all of us, over 200 of us who are involved in this inquiry, peter feels this has not been brought to public attention. peter francis. it has not been brought to public attention. what do you think about that, but the port that —— point that andrea and peter has made? peter francis is welcome to his views. undercover policing is a hugely powerful and important tool in the police's armoury. when you
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are talking about people involved in terrorism, serious and organised crime, as faras terrorism, serious and organised crime, as far as i'm concerned, it isa crime, as far as i'm concerned, it is a particularly and useful tactic. however, the action of the sds, the national public intelligence unit whose actions have been called into question, they are entirely unjustified, when we are talking about people who are merely activists. exercising their democratic right to protest and say they don't agree with something but unfortunately, it would appear those particular groups carried out actions that were unjustified and entered into long—term, premeditated, duplicitous relationships, which are, frankie, unforgivable. abbey e-mails, the outrage of this campaign astounds me, undercover officers should not be able to use a fake identity deformed sexual relationships with anyone for any reason. lush puts so much good into the world, raising millions for grassroots charities, etc. this e—mail anonymous says the
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lush campaign is courageous, it highlights unethical conduct by police that has taken years to come to light. i am a former barrister and it is sadly true thatjury is often believed police officers and do not realise how often, says this former barrister, the police used dishonest or unethical conduct to try to get convictions. another e—mail, intimidation from ex—police officers over controversial campaigning is parfor officers over controversial campaigning is par for the officers over controversial campaigning is parfor the cause. rosa says i will not shop at lush again, it is a terrible misuse of their business. i was in a lush shop and unhappy to see customers shouting at staff and being so rude. there have been some reports that some lush stores had taken down the posters and barrier tape, is that correct? there has been quite a level of intimidation.” correct? there has been quite a level of intimidation. i was asking you whether some of your retailers have decided to do that. in the face of intimidation, yes. from customers? no, largely not customers. how do you know? we
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don't, for sure. people come in... it could be customers? none of our customers have identified themselves that way. people have come in almost overwhelmingly and said they are connected with the police force and strongly say they feel this misrepresents the bobbies on the beat. it has been aggressive in places, like in other places. it has been a polite debate in others —— polite in places. where there has been larger aggression, some windows have had to come out. how many stores have been affected? it's an ongoing situation, it fluctuates at any time. do you know how many stores to date have taken them down? this morning, i don't. can i add something. it has been quite sad for me to see that former police officers, who have clearly said are on twitter they have been writing the most appalling stuff about women activists, calling is really
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unfortunate misogynistic names that i don't want to say on daytime tv... they are former coppers and they have said that. that attitude of institutional sexism still exists within some quarters. i don't vilify all police officers, i have worked well professionally with police office rs well professionally with police officers in the past in myjob. i am a public servant, too. i don't for a minute think all police officers are bad. it is notjust about my story or the other women, it is linking to the scandals like the lawrence family who were spied on for years after stephen lawrence died. to go and talk to people and tell them that these stories are interconnected, they did not have deceitful relationships just because they wanted to, it was tied to many, many other corrupt practices. i am sure peter wouldn't disagree with that. it acts officers have said that. it acts officers have said that what they did was appalling and no one could stand by what the sds did. that former officers have said. i have got to leave it there. thank you for coming onto the programme.
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i know some people don't have faith in the inquiry but it was set up by the then home secretary in 2015, theresa may. thank you. and staying with that story, in the next half hour we will be putting lush's comments to christine fulton. her husband was a police officer murdered in the line of duty and she says she's been horrified by the campaign. the government's pressure to publish so—called doomsday brexit scenarios, in which senior civil servants predict britain will run short of food, medicine and petrol within days if the uk leaves the european union without a deal. the scenarios differ in severity depending on the outcome of the negotiations, but a big concern is over the potential for chaos at the port in dover, if britain suddenly has to start trading under world trading organisation rules. these are from leaked documents. there's also a suggestion scotland and cornwall will be worst affected by a no deal.
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the home secretary has said it's right to look at these scenarios, but said he didn't think any of them "would come to pass", while reaffirming his belief that the uk and eu will sign a deal. theresa may is, today, meeting with representatives of the ftse100 companies after investment warnings have emerged over post—brexit trade arrangements. sandra rothwell is a cornish business owner who used to be in charge of economic development at cornwall council. she says there's a lot of fear for the future of business in cornwall. abbey persad is a courier driver from links courier who uses the port of dover all the time and is worried he'll lose his livelihood. and peter bone is conservative mp and member of the brexit select committee and he campaigned to leave the eu and he's going to listen to your worries and speak to you about them. sandra, you run a business, you used
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to be in charge of economic development at cornwall council. what are people in cornwall saying about the prospect of leaving the eu without a deal? cornwall was a place that actually voted to leave in a majority. cornwall is somewhere that has had a lot of investment from europe over many, many years. i think the biggest... issues... the business community are saying right now is, will what does it look in april next year? —— what does it look like. there is a real lack of clarity as to what that landscape looks like. i know in terms of the... release... about the impact, supermarket shelves, so one, cornwall is a place that when we had the beast from the east a few months ago, we had empty supermarket shelves. will that happen again next year? the biggest
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fear amongst business owners and myself included is, actually, there's a vacuum of information. about what negotiations are looking like. let's put that point to peter, what do you say to sandra about there being a vacuum of information and details? she's absolutely right, there is a vacuum of information about a new deal situation. we know there is a government minister working full—time on this and every department is drawing up plans. we know the chancellor is providing money for it. but none of this is exposed. i would money for it. but none of this is exposed. iwould have money for it. but none of this is exposed. i would have thought if i was negotiating in brussels i would have said, this is what we are preparing to do if we can't reach a deal. we want businesses and we want the public to understand that. the government should be much more forceful about these preparations, not that they are not going on, but we don't know very much about them. the scenario of potentially a shortage of familiar the foods that we are used to buying on our
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supermarket shelves? that is nonsense, that is project the number three. there is a decision that has to be made. why do you think that is nonsense? you said it would be nonsense? you said it would be nonsense to pay billions to brussels to leave but we are. you said it would be nonsense to be subject to the european court ofjustice in the transition period and we are going to be subject to it. nothing has been agreed at the moment but you make a very fair point. if we don't... if we have a no deal situation, we don't pay £39 billion, we make our own laws in our own countryjudged by our own judges and we can have our own immigration policy. that is a big plus, not having a deal. 0k, policy. that is a big plus, not having a deal. ok, you are answering a different point, doesn't mean there won't be a lack of stuff on supermarket shelves. i'm sorry, that's not true. there won't be. how do you know? no, how do you know?
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because that is not what is going to happen. how do you know, can you see into the future? yes i can. my goodness, this will be an extraordinary exclusive interview that a conservative mp can see into the future! the best way to look into the future is what happened in the past. if we remember what project the number one was, how this will be a doomsday thing... let me finish. i know the bbc are in love with the eu, but let'sjust make... please, that is silly! that's not silly, you know that is true. you cut me off every time i am trying to answer your question. the truth of the matter is, we will continue to trade with the eu because the eu sends £70 billion more goods to us each year than we do to them.” sends £70 billion more goods to us each year than we do to them. i am being much more specific, what i am saying, you promised us, you said paying billions to the eu was project fear. now i am asking how you know there won't be empty supermarket shelves. extraordinarily, you have told me you can see into the future. laughter
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if you look to the past, you can judge what can happen in the future. if you are telling me with such certainty there will not be these projects... i am simply asking questions. i am trying to answer you before you cut me off each time. go ahead. the scenario of what you call ahead. the scenario of what you call ano ahead. the scenario of what you call a no deal situation would be perfectly feasible. but we must make sure that is announced and decided upon so that business can plan for it. 298 days before we come out of the eu, we should be saying have we got a deal or actually are we better off without a deal? abby, what do you say? we are probably better off. the single market enables us to be in the customs union. we are leaving the single market, let's not rerun that row, do you agree with peter that row, do you agree with peter that we might be better off without a deal? what are you...? of that we might be better off without a deal? what are you. . . ? of course we won't be better off without a deal, we need a deal in place. i
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will give you an example. if we come out of the customs union, it is going to cause havoc in our industry. in the transport industry. i work as a career company called links. a couple of weeks ago i did a job. —— i work for a courier company. i made four border crossings to germany. there was no border controls. it enabled me to do myjob ina very, controls. it enabled me to do myjob in a very, very effective manner. so, what's your concern? my concern is that if we don't strike a deal, as regards to the customs union, it's going to cause havoc for us. one, the costs involved. the delays involved. my boss hasjust signed a contract with... involved. my boss hasjust signed a contract with. .. companies
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involved. my boss hasjust signed a contract with... companies in europe which will enable us to transport goods... and... the terms of the contract are that it must arrive there ina contract are that it must arrive there in a certain time. sorry to interrupt, but these fears are real. do you do courier work with non—eu countries? yes. i know what you're going to say. you don't have delays there? you are going to give me examples of switzerland and norway. who are in... not in the customs union. but i've been speaking to drivers. i've done jobs going to switzerland and norway. what tends to happen is that the delays are enormous will at their border control. some instances, you are there waiting five hours. before you are cleared to proceed with your journey and deliver those goods. my experience when i used to
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manufacture and sell all over the world, was whether i sold to the european union or non—union countries was that the freight company, or transport company got the goods there in exactly the same time and there was no problem. the vast majority of lorries that come into this country from non—eu countries are not checked. but can you guarantee that they won't be checkedif you guarantee that they won't be checked if there is no customs union deal? that's the point. if you are trading... if you don't have an agreement, and let's assume we don't have a free trade agreement and we trade on world trade organisation rules, because our regulations are in line then there should absolutely be no more checks than there are now. but you can't guarantee that. but that is what the rules say. what contingency plans have you made if there is no deal struck and britain opens its doors to let trade come
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m, opens its doors to let trade come in, what reciprocal arrangements have you made with other countries in the eu, that they will reciprocate the same agreement? i'm asking about france. the world trade organisation rules that govern trade between countries say you must continue along the same basis. the idea you will suddenly put delays in place is against the whole ethos of what they are doing at the moment. we have seen this situation at the moment where donald trump has imposed tariffs on steel and the eu is complaining madly about that, so they can hardly go and do the same thing to us if everything at the moment is trading freely. we will leave it there, thank you to all of you. a spokesperson for the department for exiting the eu said: "these claims are completely false. a significant amount of work and decision making has gone into our no deal plans, especially where it relates
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to ports, and we know that none of this would come to pass." still to come. home secretary sajid javid is due to outline a new government counter—terror strategy this morning. we will bring you some of his speech live. he will say he wants information about people suspected of involvement in terrorism to be shared more widely and more quickly. and we'll return to isle of wight fisherman scott birtwhistle's story. he hasjust been he has just been released from jail. he is trying to clear his name after being convicted of smuggling millions of pounds of cocaine. time for the latest news — here's joanna gosling. the grenfell tower inquiry is hearing evidence on the causes of the fire this morning. barristers representing the inquiry, and the individuals and organisations taking part, will spend five days making their opening submissions. five separate reports from experts will also be published. at least 25 people have been killed and hundreds
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injured after a volcano erupted in guatemala. the fuego volcano, which is about 25 miles away from the capital guatemala city, has been spewing black smoke and ash into the sky. there are reports of flows of lava striking at least one village. several areas have been evacuated and the capital's airport has closed. emergency measures to try to end weeks of delays and cancellations are being implemented on railways in the north—west and south—east of england today. northern and govia thameslink passengers have suffered two weeks of disruption after timetable changes at the end of last month, described as "the largest for a generation". later today the transport secretary chris grayling will meet with mps whose constituents have been affected. information about people suspected of being under the influence of extremists is to be shared more widely, and more quickly, under a new strategy launching today. in his first major speech as home secretary, sajid javid will announce a change in the government's counter—terrorism strategy to deal with what he calls a shift
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in the threat faced by the uk. learner drivers in england, scotland and wales will be allowed onto motorways for lessons from today. the change is part of an effort to ensure new drivers are better prepared for driving at speed once they've been allowed to throw away their ‘l‘ plates. learners will still need to be accompanied by an instructor and driving a car with duel controls. an instructor and driving a car with dual controls. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now. england may have won a test match for the first time since last summer but captain joe root says there's still a lot of work to do. they beat pakistan inside three days to draw the series but root warns that can't be used to paper over the cracks. we will go straight to the home secretary, giving his speech about counterterrorism strategy. the threat from terrorism is one of the
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sta rkest threat from terrorism is one of the starkest we face. plastic, sickening a cts starkest we face. plastic, sickening acts of terrorism in the uk claimed the lives of 36 people and changed the lives of 36 people and changed the lives of many more. —— last year, sickening acts of terrorism. not farfrom here year, sickening acts of terrorism. not far from here at london bridge and borough market, three terrorists drove a van at people in during the evening before attacking them with knives. yesterday i attended a memorial service for those who died in that attack. i was particularly struck by the words of local councillor, resident and mother adele robinson, who said, the terror attack change this neighbourhood for ever. but not in the way the terrorists had planned. this community is going to carry on being diverse, inclusive and welcoming. the service was an opportunity to remember that eight people who were killed, and the many more who were injured. but it was also an
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opportunity to remember the brave and determined response of our police and security services and all those who work hard to keep us safe. armed police were at the scene in just eight minutes, and they ran straight into the heart of danger. the london bridge attack came after the terrorist attacks in westminster and manchester, and it was followed by the attacks in finsbury park and parsons green. these attacks showed us that something needed to change. that's why exactly one year ago today, the prime minister commissioned a root and branch review of our counterterrorism strategy. and that is what we are publishing today. the aim of this is to ensure that our response to terrorism is second to none, and we are doing everything within our power to prevent terror on our streets. as home secretary, i am
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regularly briefed on the current terrorist threat by the uk intelligence community and counterterror police. i see the very latest intelligence. and it is very clear that there has been a step change in the threat from terrorism. every day, i signed warrants organising operations to investigate and disrupt terrorist plots. last year, the threat to the uk was raised twice to the highest level, critical. the threat to the uk today remains at severe. meaning an attack is highly likely. our security and intelligence services are right now handing over 500 like operations. —— handling over. they have 3000 subjects of interest, and a further 20,000 people who have previously been investigated, who may still pose a threat. the biggest threat is
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from islamist terrorism, including al-qaeda, but particularly from daesh. while the so—called caliphate isa daesh. while the so—called caliphate is a thing of the past, daesh continues to plan and inspire attacks both here and abroad, as well as recruiting british citizens to fight. over the past five years, our law enforcement and intelligence agencies have foiled as many as 25 islamist linked plots. that would mean, without their vigilance, and their hard work, we could have seen two protects... one attack, every two protects... one attack, every two monts. —— every two months. the threat doesn't just come two monts. —— every two months. the threat doesn'tjust come from daesh. extreme right—wing terrorism is also an increasing threat. this was tragically demonstrated by the finsbury park attack, and by the
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shocking murder ofjo cox. four extreme right—wing plots have been foiled since the westminster attack. daesh, and the extreme right—wing, are more similar than they would like to think. they both exploit grievances, they distort the truth, and they undermine the values that hold us together. and they don't hesitate to learn lessons from each other. in finsbury park, the method of attack, a van driven into a crowd of attack, a van driven into a crowd of innocent people, had all the hallmarks of earlier islamist terrorism, including westminster and london bridge. hours after the finsbury park attack, i met a woman at the scene who was a local resident, who described herself to me as resident, who described herself to measa resident, who described herself to me as a normal, everyday muslim, who
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is understandably scared for her family. it is her and others like her, decent, brave people, whojust wa nt to her, decent, brave people, whojust want to get on with their lives in peace. these are the people who we have a duty to protect. that's why, in 2016, we prescribed the extreme right—wing terror group national action, and the following year and that aliases, scottish done, and the national socialist anti—active group. looking across the uk, northern ireland related terrorism poses a danger. five attacks against national security targets were carried out last year and another nine attacks were aborted or disrupted as a result of action by police and intelligence services. nor of course we immune to attacks by hostile states. the attempted murders in the salisbury were an
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outrageous on our soil using military grade nerve agent that in itself was a brazen message from the russian state. we also know that the way that terrorist attacks are now planned and conducted has changed. people are increasingly being radicalised through their computers and smartphones. they are using everyday objects such as knives and ca rs everyday objects such as knives and cars as everyday objects such as knives and ca rs as weapons. everyday objects such as knives and cars as weapons. and the length of time between radicalisation and the attack is getting shorter. the threats are evolving. we must evolve too. in our revised counterterrorism strategy, known as contest, i am outlining today how everyone can help. contest incorporates lessons learned from the attacks in 2017 and our responses to them. it has been formed by the latest research and secret intelligence. ultimately, our
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approach is about ensuring there are no safe spaces for terrorists. no safe s pa ce no safe spaces for terrorists. no safe space is international in which terrorist ideology can develop and from where complex attacks can be launched. no safe spaces in the uk for terrorists to spread their vile views, for them to plan and carry out attacks. and no safe spaces online for terrorist propaganda and technical expertise to be shared, and for people to be radicalised in just a matter of weeks. we are publishing the full strategy, so you can see it for yourself. but i would like to briefly highlight six key areas. first, we will work to disrupt threats earlier, and we are bringing forward new legislation to enable us to do just that. we will intervene earlier in investigations. there will be longer prison sentences and better management of terrorist offenders on release. i am grateful to the work of m15 and police in their learning of the
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operational lessons from the 2017 attacks and also the thoughtful and independent oversight provided by david anderson qc. second, we will continue to make sure the counterterrorism policing and our security intelligence services have the support they need. in the 20 15th spending review this government committed to spending more than £2 billion on counterterrorism each year. we are giving counterterrorism policing a £15 million increase in funding this year, to over three quarters of £1 billion. and we are recruiting additional staff across intelligence agencies to improve our response even further. third, we will work more closely with our international partners. because the uk cannot tackle terrorism alone. our co—operation with our five eyes
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partners, the eu and other allies will remain essential. the uk is widely seen as a world leader in counterterrorism strategy. many other countries around the world look to contest and try to emulate our evolving approach. deepening our strong security basu is around the world will also be a major part of myjob. i have already had a number of meetings in washington, brussels and the hague, and tonight i will head to luxembourg to discuss security issues with my european counterparts. we have always been absolutely clear, that although we voted to leave the european union, we are as committed as ever to european security. we want and we need a deep and special security partnership with the eu after we leave. and the eu needs it too. there's not a single european interior minister who wants to
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reduce the level of cooperation on security that we have now. when the british people voted to leave the european union, they were not voting for us to stop working with our european allies to keep everyone safe. so it would be wrong and reckless for anyone to advocate any unnecessary reduction in this cooperation. fourth, we will work more closely with key partners outside of central government. we are piloting new multi—agency centres in london, manchester and the west midlands to bring together the west midlands to bring together the widest range of partners and improve our understanding of those at risk of becoming involved in terrorism. we will also increase our cooperation with the private sector. as someone with a private sector background myself, i understand that government cannot deal with these kinds of challenges alone. i am
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committed to improving how we work with business across a range of issues, and that includes faster alerts for suspicious packages, including the security of crowded places across the uk, and reducing the vulnerability of our critical national infrastructure. and we must also get better at harnessing private sector and academic innovation. new detection techniques, data analytics and machine learning, they all have the potential to dramatically enhance our counterterrorism capabilities. fifth, we must work together to get terrorist material off the internet. terrorists exploit the online world in many different ways. they use it to spread their poisonous message and to radicaliser and recruit others, to share expertise on harmful materials, and even to plan and facilitate attacks. under the former home secretary, we
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established the first global internet forum for counterterrorism, an international, industry led group, to fight terrorist use of the internet. this brings together some of the biggest technology companies and has brought about the removal of terrorist online removal at far greater scale and speed. just one example... in the first quarter of this year, facebook took action against1.9 this year, facebook took action against 1.9 million pieces of daesh and al-qaeda content. but of course there is much more to do, particularly as terrorists move to exploit the smaller internet platforms. we must continue to deepen and strengthen collaboration with these key partners and encourage them to do more. it's one of the reasons i will travel to silicon valley later this week to do that. and the sixth and final approach is to do more to prevent people from becoming terrorists, or from supporting terrorism. the
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prevent strategy will remain a vital pa rt prevent strategy will remain a vital part of our counterterrorism work. yes, i recognise the criticisms, but i absolutely support it. misapprehensions around prevent are often based on distortions. they are based on a lack of understanding about the grass roots work that is involved and efforts from civil society groups and workers to protect vulnerable people. we have a moral and social obligation to safeguard vulnerable people from the twisted propaganda of those who are seeking to radicalise them. and prevent is about doing just that. studio: the home secretary sajid javid. we will have analysis of what he had to say at newsroom live at 11 o'clock. a young fisherman convicted of trying to smuggle £53 million of cocaine into the country has told this programme he will fight to clear his name.
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scott birtwhistle was speaking in his first interview after being released from prison. he was just 19 when he was found guilty in 2011. he served half his 14 year sentence. the other four men convicted with him are still in prison on longer sentences. jim reed has this exclusive report. a dull grey morning at the gates of rochester prison. scott birtwhistle, released after serving seven years for a role in one of the biggest drug plots in british history. those with him that day are still in prison. all are adamant they did nothing wrong. spent so long in prison, it is, yeah... it's going to mess me up a bit. but i've just got to get my life back on track. in 2010, a quarter of a tonne of cocaine was found in the sea off the isle of wight. the police said it had been hidden there by a group of fishermen who'd picked it up from a container ship in the channel.
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but the bags were spotted by a member of the public. and these five men were arrested and convicted. four were locals. two had young families. all had no serious criminal records. i'll be honest, i can't really put into words how i felt. it was just... couldn't believe it. it didn't seem real whatsoever. the evidence the prosecution was coming outwith, i'm thinking, well, there's nothing. there's nothing here whatsoever. scott birtwhistle was the deck boss on the fishing boat. it's the first time he's spoken out about what happened. well, i think the whole thing was, they found cocaine. didn't know whose it was or where it came from. and we were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. they had no one else. the men's defence team say new mapping data suggests it would have been impossible for the fishing boat to reach the drugs in the channel. and they say there were questions about the testimony of two police officers who say they saw bags being dropped off the side of the boat near to where the drugs were later found. in this case, each week that's
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passed, each document we have received and examined, every piece of analysis we have done involving experts, has revealed flaw after flaw. but the police watchdog has looked into the case and could find no serious wrongdoing. and last year, the body which investigates suspected miscarriages ofjustice, the ccrc said there is not enough new evidence to send it back to the court of appeal. but you can see why people might watch this and think, look he would say this, wouldn't he? he's not going admit on national television that he was responsible for this crime. what have i got to gain? really, what have i got to gain, coming on national tv if i was guilty? surely, if i was guilty, i would just let it lie. i've served my time, and i'm out. why would i keep fighting for it, even though i've been released from prison? this month, two of the men still in prison are expected to launch a new appeal directly to a judge. unless dramatic new evidence emerges, it might be the last chance to clear their names. let's talk to the men's solicitor,
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emily bolton from the centre for criminal appeals. and jon robins, a freelance journalist who specialises in law and justice and has just written a book called guilty until proven innocent. what are the men's options now? they can go directly to the court of appeal. two of them, a scaffolding business owner called john beer, and one of the fishermen, damned pain, will bring an appeal directly to the court. and what about scott birtwhistle, now he is out ofjail. it is great to see him out of prison, but that's not the end of the matter. there's still the investigation being conducted in this case, by us. and every stone we pick up suggests there is new information to suggest these men are innocent. scott says the truth will come out, and it'sjust a matter of
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how long it will take. the criminal cases review commission reviewed this case last year and called it a compelling prosecution case. the ipcc and police watchdogs have looked into specific allegations made by clients against police officers and they came back saying there was no wrongdoing. what is the new stuff you say you are picking up that you believe will prove the men's innocence? neither the ipcc nor the criminal cases review commission examined the case in the depth that we have. we now have evidence that shows that the jury we re evidence that shows that the jury were misled at trial as to the positioning of the two vessels. this is about disclosure, an issue that has been in the news quite a lot recently. disclosure is the amount of information the police provide to the other side in a case, to the defence. in this case, even the experts testifying at trial were not given access to all the information they needed to get it right and
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present a complete the picture, so the experts, jury and judge for all misled. in the end, the court of appeal has the chance to put it right and we're putting together fresh evidence to demonstrate this conviction was safe. by the position of the boats, you mean the fishing boat was not near the container, or not in the right position to be able to allegedly pick up the sacks of cocaine? thejury to allegedly pick up the sacks of cocaine? the jury were told the fishing boat went behind the container boat and picked up sacks of cocaine. we can now show that was not the case. we can also show where the sacks of cocaine were said to have been thrown by the fishing boat, it was a position the fishing boat, it was a position the fishing boat did not and could not enter according to her own navigation device. do you think it's harder for individuals and groups to challenge individuals and groups to challenge individuals in the courts? absolutely, yes. it's a real uphill
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struggle and the odds are massively against people. the process, if i can describe that, if you are in prison for a crime you didn't commit, and you have already had an unsuccessful appeal, then you have to go through the criminal cases review commission, the only route to clear your name. to do that, you have to satisfy what is known as a real possibility test, there has to be the real possibility that your conviction will be overturned, and that needs the presentation of new evidence or new arguments. the statistics are, we have a prison population of 187,000 people. every year around 1500 people apply for this state funded watchdog body. lasted, only 12, a dozen cases got referred back to the court of appeal. the criminal cases review commission is 12 years old and there has been an yearly average of 33 cases pits and unexplained drop off,
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but there are massive financial pressures on watchdog. it could be people are not presenting new evidence, which is why only 12 cases we re evidence, which is why only 12 cases were referred to the court of appeal last year by the ccrc. i'm convinced it is down to financial pressures. based on what evidence? for every £10 the previous head of the ccrc had ten years ago, they now only have £4. ironically, is the safety net mechanism for the criminal justice system and it's fundamentally important. the criminal of the ccrc is one of undermining almost from day one. —— the history of the ccrc. the ccrc says its budget has not increased in recent yea rs says its budget has not increased in recent years and the technologies
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that puts pressure on the organisation, but it says the quality of investigations has not been affected. i'm not convinced thatis been affected. i'm not convinced that is true. you can see cases that have quite a big profile, for example there was a case that featured on panorama last week, where a solicitor was saying that in the investigation the commission did, they didn't interview any witnesses or visit the scene of the murder. the practitioners say the criminal appeal specialists, say, there are real concerns about the quality of investigations. there are very good case review managers at commission, but they're also very poor ones, and that seems to be the report that comes back. the house of commonsjustice report that comes back. the house of commons justice committee in report that comes back. the house of commonsjustice committee in 2015 took a good look at the watchdog, and it was pretty uniform, there we re and it was pretty uniform, there were major and it was pretty uniform, there we re major concerns and it was pretty uniform, there were major concerns about the quality of investigations. thank you both for your time. we will continue to report on the case. thank you for your company today. bbc newsroom
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live is next. we will be back tomorrow at 9am. west is certainly best for the sunshine today. you can see on the satellite, a lot more in the way of cloud across the east. that's slowly thinning and breaking but i think for much of central and eastern england it will remain cloudy. the rest of the sunshine for parts of wales and south—west england, feeding into southern in that and perhaps the chance of a short sharp shower. there could be quite a lot of torrential downpour in northern ireland. but they will be hit and miss. as we go through this evening and overnight, showers dined out with more low cloud feeding in from the north sea coast. temperatures cooler than they have been last night, but still double figures in the south. tomorrow starts off fairly cloudy with mr to begin with
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but it will brighten up from the north with good spells of sunshine feeding in and the cloud perhaps lingering across parts of southern wales and south—west england. the chance of a sharp shower in northern ireland in the afternoons with temperatures in the upper teens and low 20s. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11. the grenfell tower inquiry hears reports from experts on how the fire started and spread — 72 people died in the blaze, nearly a year ago. ourteam is our team is trawling through hundreds of pages of expert evidence
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