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owe i’ over the downfall, the second one is over the meaningful vote, and at the moment mps geta meaningful vote, and at the moment mps get a vote on the final deal and if they reject the final deal the government starts to say, ok, we will find a different way of doing brexit, this is what we'll do. what they will get this way, if they vote for it, the government would decide if they reject the deal, parliament will, so it will be down to mps what kind of brexit we finally get. what about labour? they are you not —— they are not united. no, they are not, but they are in favour of staying in the customs union and they are in favour of mps having the final say. now to the sunday times. exclusive, the paper says, about e—mails from the live campaign regarding aaron banks. briefly. what
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they are saying, aaron banks had many more contacts with the russians than had been known about, and what we do know is that it was in the interests of vladimir putin for us to leave the eu. we don't know what aaron banks reply is but another paper has quoted him as saying this is insignificant. boozy lunches, exactly. we don't know who these e—mails are between either. exactly. we don't know who these e-mails are between either. we will move e-mails are between either. we will m ove o nto e-mails are between either. we will move onto the independent a different story. theresa may creates hostile environment for sajid javid who has wanted a softer approach to immigration after the windrush scandal. yes, rather interesting. you can't help but think theresa may is wanting to be in the driving seat if not the back seat driving in the home office. from where she came. and from where amber rudd had to
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depart because of the windrush scandal. sajid javid is tipped by some people as a potential leadership contender. he is generally regarded as a good appointment to the home office. but she has apparently according to this article rejected three times calls for a rethink on policies to curb illegal immigration insisting she has been backing of the public, and just go back to brexit, there's the about freedom of movement as well. —— there's the subject of freedom of movement. sajid javid is keen on this and she is not so keen. given all the windrush generation scandal, why is she insisting on this tough line? things were difficult for her as faras line? things were difficult for her as far as the home office was concerned, she would have liked to
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have had karen bradley as home secretary but after windrush she was persuaded that a second—generation muslim immigrant was a far better bet. sajid javid starts to dismantle what had previously been called her hostile environment for immigration and now it is called a compliant environment but that is what he has been doing. she says, are not having that, our manifesto commitment is that, our manifesto commitment is that we will still be tough on illegal immigrant 's —— i'm not having that. i think public opinion has changed since the windrush scandal. that is it for the papers now, but we will be back to look at the papers with nigel and jo at 1130. nigel and jo will be back at half past eleven for another look at the papers. next on bbc news it's meet the author. the persistence of the civil war in american culture is remarkable, but maybe not surprising.
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kevin powers is the latest writer to take a story of slavery from days of conflict in the 18605 and pick up its threads in virginia 90 years later, when an old man tries to chase his origins. a shout in the ruins is his second book. his first, the yellow birds, set against the background of the iraq war, having been a much admired novel from the pen of a former soldier. in this one, his theme is america's long struggle with race. welcome. you were born late in the 20th century, but any reader coming to this book will be made aware again of how close the civil war is, even to americans of your age. absolutely, and particularly if you grew up where i did in richmond, virginia or points south.
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capital of the confederacy. indeed, yeah. its presence is still quite immediately felt. of course, the landmarks and battlefields are right around the area, and so you can really walk these grounds in a way that you can't if you're from other parts of the states. so for you to spin a story that stretches from the 19505 through the lens of an old man and his memories and the mystery of his, you know, his early years, back to the civil war, is a perfectly natural thing. it's not a stretch. well, you know, it presented challenges, certainly, but the idea was to demonstrate just how close it is in time. it's only passed out of living memory, as you say, in the 19505. this character, george seldom, represents that kind of passing out of living memory. and so for me, it felt perfectly natural to explore, you know, the way that the legacy of that
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period is still very present today. and in the form of racial attitudes, really, because what we're talking about here, the guts of the story — the civil war part of the story, because it moves back and forth — is based on a plantation. right. and the principal character is someone who has to live under that. absolutely. and, you know, the story is basically about how people who have been so fundamental to the character of virginia, who have contributed in essential ways to the culture of the place where i'm from, have been not afforded the same kind of opportunities or recognition as full members of that society. a shout in the ruins is the title, of course. just describe the ruins. well, it's really...
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i guess in a larger sense, thematically, the title refers to the opportunity that wasn't fully realised after the american civil war. it was the moment in american history where we — and by we, i mean americans and also southerners — were going to determine whether we were going to be the kind of country we said we were. and that opportunity was there, and i think remains. but certainly, it wasn't fully realised at that time. for me, the tragedy in many ways is that the cleansing — if you want to call it that — was incomplete. and very soon after the end of the war, reconstruction, the period immediately afterwards, didn't do all of the work that i think it could have. well, and that was the period in which the south, southerners, felt that they were being humiliated and that the seeds of resentment which would last for a century and more were planted. absolutely.
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and all the revisionism and the lost cause retelling of the story of the american south began in the ashes of the war, in reconstruction. so let's talk about the old man who goes back in his memory and tries to find out how he came to be who he was. right. it's a classic storyteller's trick. i don't mean that pejoratively. no, no, i understand, yeah. and it works because we want to know, too. and that's the idea. ifigure if i could create a character who was in some ways after the same thing as the reader would be, then that would allow the reader to make these discoveries along with him. particularly this man, i think, i5 quintessentially virginian. what do you mean by that?
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well, the strands that he... i won't give it away, but who he comes from... yeah, we don't want to spoil that for readers. but the kind of different lineages that he has... so he represents all that's good about virginia and, you know, if you want to take it larger about america as well, but also all the pain and suffering that's been involved in the evolution of the country too. yes, and the uncertainties about origin, which is such an american preoccupation. i guess that's true. i was talking to somebody not long ago. and iju5t had to say, we're all mutts. we don't really know where we come from. and i think one of the dangers of that, you know, you can fixate on certain kinds of identities, whether it be an obsession with the south and — i'll put this in quotes — "the glories of the confederate past". and that's something that people are still trying to shake off today. as a writer, you had enormous success with the yellow birds.
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and this came from your own experience in the military. and you wrote with a kind of searing pen about the experience, what it does to people, and really what it's like, what it feels like, what it smells like. it's quite a shift to go to this. i mean, you really are saying, "right now, i believe i can tackle the kinds of big subjects that a novelist is obliged to tackle." but did you sense that this was quite a step? i knew it presented different challenges. obviously, the yellow birds i5 fundamentallyjust one person's story and this takes on several people's story and several time periods, so i had to try to accurately capture different, very different perspectives. and use a different narrative technique. absolutely, and, you know, allow, in a way, the story to present the drama. not unadorned but with less intensity, in a way, because,
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you know, you don't want... particularly the scenes of certain kinds of violence, violence against enslaved people, i didn't want to get into something... you could see the danger of becoming too, you know, too crude about it. sure, and i didn't want to sensationalize it, but, you know,... in the same way that my service in the military was a pressing experience to explore, my upbringing in virginia and in the south was pressing and felt immediate in much the same way. do you enjoy the writing business? i mean, you were a soldierfor a period. i mean, you've always been interested in literature and so on. absolutely. but now, you've taken a very different path. i enjoy the writing very much. it feels satisfying and worthwhile,
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and ifeel like it allows me to make discoveries about my own way of thinking in the world and my own beliefs. you know, and onejust hopes that you can connect with readers who will have some of the same questions. that's very meaningful to me, and that feels like a useful way to spend one‘s time. and what of the old man in the ‘505 who finally discovers the truth about his real story? what do you want the reader to feel about him? i think he reaches a point of acceptance, where the past... you know, for him, it's slightly different because he's at the end of his life. but in a way, i think it can represent that we don't always have to be defined by our past. by making new choices in the future,
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we can become new people. and notjust new people as individuals, but also a new people. and so, i hope people will come away from this story with at least a thread of hope, to recognise that despite all the pain and suffering that's characterised much of virginia's history — and really, let's be honest, the planet's history — that there's always the opportunity to do something different tomorrow. kevin powers, author of a shout in the ruins. thank you very much. thank you, i appreciate it. for many people it was a warm one with good spells of sunshine around but there were showers and thunderstorms in parts of scotland and northern england and tomorrow is and northern england and tomorrow is a similar story. thunderstorms developing in the afternoon. those that did develop in scotland and northern ireland will fizzle out overnight, leaving a legacy of cloud, with also cloud in the
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southern half of the uk, but it will bea southern half of the uk, but it will be a pretty warm and muggy day for most. some sunshine in places but also some rain in places, but the strong sunshine will get going on the cloud and that will break it up. showers and thunderstorms in some areas in scotland and the north of england but elsewhere it will be dry and it will feel very warm again, 23-25 and it will feel very warm again, 23—25 and a similar story on monday on tuesday, variable amounts of cloud but also sunshine and light winds. this is bbc news.
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i'm martine croxall. the headlines at 11:00: theresa may admits 5ix theresa may admits six members of the g7 have fallen out with the us at the summit in canada. where we disagree with our allies on something it is right that we say so and airthe something it is right that we say so and air the issue openly and frankly. we have donejust and air the issue openly and frankly. we have done just that at this summit. meanwhile, president trump leaves the summit early to travel to singapore for a landmark meeting with the north korean leader, kim jong—un on tuesday. passenger groups criticise the awarding of a cbe to network rail boss mark carne following weeks of chaos on the railways. also this hour, a striking display at buckingham palace as thousands gather to watch the trooping the colour parade. the duke and duchess of sussex take their place for the first time with the queen on the balcony.

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