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president trump and kim jung—un are holding historic talks in singapore to discuss peace and denuclearisation on the korean peninsula. after meeting and shaking hands on a red carpet at a the summit venue at the capella hotel on sentosa, the two men then held one—to—one talks for around 38 minutes. they thenjoined senior advisers and officials. before starting the talks, mr trump said the meeting was going to be tremendously successful. mr kim said the two men had overcome the prejudices that had acted as obstacles to the meeting going ahead. the much anticipated summit follows a year of exchanging threats, and many months of diplomatic twists and turns. a warm welcome to you here in singapore, on what we've seen
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unfolding in the last few hours, an historic day, unprecedented moment, president trump and kim jong—un are currently holding historic talks in singapore. five kilometres from where we are here on the island of sentosa, that is cut off from the centre of singapore, giving them the privacy and security that the two men wanted in order to hold this unprecedented moment. we saw them meet on the courtyard of the capella hotel on sentosa for the symbolic handshake, the first time a sitting us president has ever met with a north korean leader. there we re with a north korean leader. there were big smiles. symbolic because they stood in front of the north korean flag and the us black. a
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moment many thought would never happen. many people we've been speaking to hear, experts and a nalysts speaking to hear, experts and analysts and human rights organisations saying they almost had to pinch themselves that this was real. that was the situation. a photo opportunity after a 38 minute meeting. there was the delegation also across the boardroom with their immediate representatives from both sides. the chief of staff, us secretary of the, and the translators, before they engaged in the high local summit, dialogue, under way as we speak. let's have they listened to the moment they spoke to the selected press. —— let's have a listen. mr president, how do you feel?
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i feel really great. we're going to have a great discussion. and i think tremendous success. it will be tremendously successful. and it's my honour. we'll have a terrific relationship. i have no doubt. translatior speaks it was not easy to get here. translatior speaks inaudible the old prejudices and practices worked as obstacles in our way forward but we overcame all of them and we are here today. that's true. thank you, thank you very much.
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thank you, thank you very much. thank you, thank you very much. thank you very much. thank you. that was the moment the two leaders sat down and addressed the selected carefully chosen media that had gathered there. fair to say that they looked awkward. there was little i contact between the two of them at that moment but when they left that library foyer, they seemed to relax a little bit more. there was a shot of them believing that room, going through the outside of the capella hotel to enter into what we think was the main boardroom for the conversation to take place. they looked relaxed, they exchanged smiles, and once again, donald
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trump, as we saw him doing ahead of that handshake, offering an arm around the back of the north korean leader. just to give you an update of what we know is happening right now. we understand they are having a working lunch at the capella hotel. that's under way right now as we speak, just after 11:30am. believe it or not, such is the way, we now have the menu of what the two will be eating. sounds bizarre because we wa nt to be eating. sounds bizarre because we want to know what they will be discussing but i'll tell you needless to say. traditional prawn cocktail served with avocado salad to start with. a salad with honey lime dressing and fresh octopus. the korean stuffed cucumber followed by beef as the main course. combination of sweet and sour crispy pork with fried rice, codfish, dark chocolate ta rtlet, vanilla
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fried rice, codfish, dark chocolate tartlet, vanilla ice cream with cherry. safe to say they will be welfare here at the capella hotel. it is interesting, it is fair to say, to look at that menu because what we can gauge there is an american culinary appetite and an asian one, a north korean too. you ever thought of that menu has obviously catered for the tastes of both the men, of course. but it's important that the two men are axed here, and that's why sentosa was chosen as the island to host the talks because of its seclusion and luxurious surroundings —— are axed. and indeed because of its brevity as well. —— are relaxed. let's speak to nancy snow. she is professor of public diplomacy at kyoto university of foreign studies, she's in tokyo. forgive me for talking through the menu, those little details and some find interesting! the detail about
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what will be agreed is what we are focusing on. what is likely to happen here according to you?m sounds like, as you said, they are a lot more relaxed with each other. i don't think we will get a big deal that will come out of this meeting. it's an initial meeting. kim has already talked about perhaps following up and we could see a meeting may be in washington to follow. what the world is waiting for, of course, we're reading the behaviour and even the menu makes a difference because that's sort of the gastro diplomacy. that really matters to show that their coming together over food and drink, matters to show that their coming together overfood and drink, which is so important, especially in asia. it drives a lot of politics. as far as the details of the meeting, right now we want the two getting along. they have so much that they need
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from each other. respectability. trump, of course, at home is continually coming under fire trump, of course, at home is continually coming underfire in domestic politics and the country is so domestic politics and the country is so divided about him. but if he could pull this off with kim, and of course we know that kim needs the united states here to try to save his economy even, it's beyond just weapons, it's not just his economy even, it's beyond just weapons, it's notjust about denuclearisation. there won't be any meeting of the minds on denuclearisation today. i think for all of, we'rejust denuclearisation today. i think for all of, we're just struck at the fa ct all of, we're just struck at the fact that already these two have made history —— i think for all of us. made history —— i think for all of us. nancy, you said there that there may be a likelihood that the two main meat in watching them. that's really quite something to say given how long it's taken to get here and the dialogue on neutral ground ——
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may meet in washington. is it really possible? i think it's a possibility because who would have said that this could be possible in march, just a few short months ago, and trumpjumped on it and said he would meet with kim. then we saw how trump ended the singapore summit meeting and then abruptly had a change of mind. it's hard to follow all of this but i think we can't rule out any possibility here. and, back to my point about respectability, his being host... kim being hosted in washington would be extraordinary. it doesn't disregard his record, what this regime is all about, how people live in north korea, but it's about his willingness to show some good faith now. you can't erase history, you don't want to erase history, you don't want to erase history, but his country, and he himself, they have been under a lot
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of caricature and prejudice and. there's no question about it. so to go to washington would be the ultimate prize —— and prejudice. trump, where is he most comfortable? of course it would be mar—a—lago. imagine that! it seems very remote but you can't rule out anything. day by day, hour by hour, there seems to be some new development when it comes to these two. nancy, just very briefly, you're in tokyo, of course, a lot of conversation about how shinzo abe might be reacting to this, what is your take on what he might be thinking right now?|j this, what is your take on what he might be thinking right now? i think japan feels a little bit out of the mix here. japan has been pushing hard, shinzo abe in particular, on negotiating regarding the kidnapped japanese. that's been a longtime thorn between these two countries. and, of course, the usjapan
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security alliance plays very strongly here. japan is very much in alignment with the knighted states and if this goes well for trump, i don't think that this would rule out japan then having a follow—up meeting either with kim all with moon, there are so many players here, even china and russia, who helped to co—ordinate this. that would suggest a meeting with many more parties in the future. that makes it more complicated because then there is a lot more dealmaking potentially that goes on. but right now i think we would like to see these two get along so that it's the beginning of continued dialogue to follow, because working out the details is where the breakdowns are likely to occur. and, right now, you wa nt to likely to occur. and, right now, you want to build up credibility and goodwill and you do that by, at the end of this meeting, saying, we're going to have a follow—up meeting.
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evenif going to have a follow—up meeting. even if they don't announce where it will be, that will be promising, that they're going to continue to agree to meet. 0k, nancy, thank you very much for your view, nancy snow lives in tokyo. just to update you, you are watching bbc news on this breaking news event, unprecedented summit in singapore —— live in singapore. historic summit between kim jong—un and co. to give you a sense of what's happening right now —— and kim jong—un. their delegation teams are having a working lunch at the capella hotel. what we know according to latest reports is the timetable could well be that kim jong—un leaves singapore in a roundabout two hours' time, which is quite something when we think about the fact the historic summit, the official dialogue, got under way, aside from the informal conversation that was held, at 10am local time.
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if he's sticking to that timeline, we will verify that for you, the departure of 2pm, we understand donald trump is scheduled to leave a few hours later from the military airbase at which he arrived in singapore. we understand donald trump may well hold a press conference here at 4pm local time. given what we understand to be a fluid set of events, if that's the case then kim jong—un, given the reports he will be leaving early, won't be there. fascinating to see how that unfolds. right now we're waiting to find out any information from the newswire is to ascertain exactly what we know from our sources and contacts about the concrete conversation taking place and what the framework has been to any kind of deal —— newswires. daniel russel is vice president for international security and diplomacy at the asia society policy institute. up until recently he was assistant secretary of state
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for east asian and pacific affairs. before that he was special assistant to president obama and the national security council senior director for asian affairs. he's in new york. welcome to the programme, sir. we're now poring over what we're hoping to be some detail that's coming our way, a deal likely to be done here and what kind of form do you think it might take? both kim jong—un and coxhead it might take? both kimjong—un and coxhead clearly have a vested interest in declaring this meeting in singapore a success —— president trump. i think in terms of going into the meeting, kim jong—un has won handsdown. he has gone from being a pariah to mr popularity, he has won a seat at the table with the leader of the free world and instead of isolation he is playing powers off against each other. he has loosened the implementation of sanctions and lowered the risks of sanctions.
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going in he has won a lot. but what do they have going out of the meeting? there's a high probability that if president trump was willing to declare victory before he had even shaken hands with kim jong—un, coming out he's going to insist it was a brilliant success, but as a vetera n was a brilliant success, but as a veteran of many, many presidential meetings with foreign leaders, especially ones that require interpreters, there's not a lot you can get done injust interpreters, there's not a lot you can get done in just a interpreters, there's not a lot you can get done injust a mere interpreters, there's not a lot you can get done in just a mere few hours. establishing a personal relationship with totalitarian dictators like kim jong—un relationship with totalitarian dictators like kimjong—un may not be as easy as it looked. translating that relationship into practical beneficial outcomes, we know is even harder because president trump has tried it with chinese leader xi
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jingping and it hasn't lowered the us china trade deficit by the $200 billion that president trump has asked for. so they will come out with some positive sounding declarations about peace, but the real yardstick to use is whether at the end of this engagement, at the end of this process, the united states, its allies and the international community is actually any international community is actually a ny safer international community is actually any safer from the risk of north korean nuclear weapons and north korean nuclear weapons and north korean proliferation. you are talking of, if i am correct, a sceptical and measured response to what we may see. but we cannot underestimate the symbolism behind the fact that north korea or even a year, the leader, kimjong—un, as we have been hearing from a number of
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guests. —— are even here. it is a significant moment, would you agree? without a doubt. kim jong—un, operating by a familiar playbook that resembles what his grandfather used to use to intimidate and extort and extract concessions and benefits from the us and south korea in the international community. he is a millennial authoritarian dictator, he is very different. he has proven to be very savvy, both in tactics and robert relations. —— public. remember, the frightening escalation of threats in 2016, it was all the
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doing of kim jong—un. of threats in 2016, it was all the doing of kimjong—un. the belief he offered, the signals he sent when he announced in his speech on new year's, that he would consider participating in the olympics, working for world peace, that was also part of his gamble. —— —— relief. i agree the fact he is willing to leave the confines of north korea, travel to singapore, engage with the president of the united dates, it demonstrates he is a different kind of north korean leader. —— states. different to his father and grandfather. that does not mean his objectives at different, merely that his tactics are more clever and apparently much more effective. he has already broken the stranglehold of sanctions that the obama administration, bush
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administration, and to its credit, trump administration developed laborious lay over time with a grudging corporation from china. —— labouriously. we should not expect to be able to reclaim the leverage we once had. nearly the fact there isa we once had. nearly the fact there is a process, without a doubt it is better than a bloody nose, it is a far cry from a point where any of us can say there is material progress to mitigate the threat posed by north korean nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. kim jong—un north korean nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles. kimjong—un has not given up a single missile, a single nuclear device. i want to believe, and i think we all want to believe, and i think we all want to believe, that the negotiating process ca n believe, that the negotiating process can move in that direction.
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it would be a mistake to be so cynical to rule that out as a possibility, but even more of a mistake to indulge in wishful thinking and naivety. that remains to be seen in terms of the details we are likely to get in the next few hours or so. i want to ask what level of responsibility the us has been strongly addressing the human rights record of the north korean regime. -- in. not only in terms of universal values, but a practical matter, it has to make it very clear to the leader of north korea that he will not get a free pass for
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murdering, oppressing, and impoverishing his own citizens, let alone those of other countries, the us,japan, and south alone those of other countries, the us, japan, and south korea. at the same time, while it is important to put down that marker, the human rights record, it is sensible to begin with the wolf closest to the door, the most urgent threat. that is, without a doubt, the nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programme of north korea. north korea continues to, umm, reprocess
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and enrich material and continue to weaponise that material. sorry to interrupt, but we have pictures of the working lunch. they came into us a little bit previous. 11:30 local time, we believe. there they are alongside their team. we are told it isa alongside their team. we are told it is a working lunch. a short time ago i mentioned what was on the menu, interesting for some people. a combination of american cuisine, western cuisine, coupled with asian cuisine as well. staffed cucumber, beef short read, denuclearisation short rib, icecream. they will be well fed. that is what we want to hear. iam i am talking us through that, and we
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laugh, but it is their comfort eve ryo ne laugh, but it is their comfort everyone wants to... i agree. the details of lunch are perhaps not interesting. but it is their comfort the singaporean authorities said they wanted them to have. it is good news. with the korean summit, this is playing out. that is why they are having korean food. it is being pitched back home. the us media might not care... well, on social media... yes, look, we are here and a working lunch is under way. it is
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just two hours to go. we are yet to hear the details of what will happen. i think everything is on target. the issues are so big and so complex four hours is not enough. the president has focused on his personal relationship with kim jong—un. you cannot build a friendship in four hours through a translator with a person like this. it isa translator with a person like this. it is a narrow timeframe, four hours. we can show you it again. the working lunch. we will do our best to bring you more on that. as we go over the details when we get it and if we get it, the conversation will be the handshake, the symbolism about the two. you cannot underplay that. the symbolism gets the ball
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rolling. there is a lot of pageantry and flags, we saw that at the last summit. at some point we have to move beyond that. my concern is we are in the middle ofjune with a lot of symbolism. handsha kes are in the middle ofjune with a lot of symbolism. handshakes and flags. iam of symbolism. handshakes and flags. i am starting to get frustrated because we are not getting to the details. the symbolism matters for north korea, but not for us. north korea is getting an informal gain. we need to get something back. if it is photo—ops, north korea wins by default. i know you are getting frustrated, but stay with us. we will bring the updates as soon as we get them as we continue special coverage on this, an historic and unprecedented day, the summit with donald trump and kim jong—un.
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unprecedented day, the summit with donald trump and kimjong—un. stay with us, live from singapore. hello there. for many days, even weeks now, our weather has been stuck in a rut. long spells of warm sunshine, and just the odd thunderstorm. but, at long last, things are changing. you may not like the change because firstly we're bringing some cooler air in from the north. and then, from the atlantic, through the middle part of the week, we're going to bring quite an active frontal system, an area of low pressure, that will bring some wet and very windy weather, particularly across the north. that will be a bit of a shock to the system. but the changes are already under way. some cooler conditions through the day ahead. quite a lot of cloud around as well. that cloud will break up through the day, so we will see some spells of sunshine. the best of these likely to be found across parts of wales and the south—west. equally, just the odd scattered showers, but those temperatures down on where they have been. highs of between 15 and 21 degrees.
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no more mid—20s. now, during tuesday night, we'll see a mixture of clear skies and patchy cloud. it should stay just about dry. it's going to turn into a relatively cool night. temperatures in quite a few places should get down into single digits. we go into wednesday and we start off on a fine note, but frontal systems approaching from the north—west. more on that in a moment. we start wednesday, though, with high pressure across the british isles. so actually not a bad start to the day. good spells of the shine to be had. perhaps just the odd shower breaking out as cloud builds up through the day. but, up to the north—west, you will already have spotted this. quite a significant change. rain into northern ireland, western scotland by the end of the day. strengthening winds as well. and as we go through wednesday night, a spell of very disturbed weather. very heavy rain pushing in from the west. really strong winds as well. wind gusts easily 40—50mph. but perhaps through the central belt, those wind gusts as strong as 60 mph. we will keep you posted on that forecast for wednesday night into thursday. it all comes courtesy of this, an unusually deep area of low pressure for the time of year. but it will drift away fairly quickly during thursday. so the winds will ease, much of the rain will clear away. and actually things should brighten up through the day.
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but it is again going to feel relatively cool. those temperatures at best between 15 and 21 degrees. then, as we head towards the end of the week, we stick with that cooler feel. yes, there will be some dry weather. there will be some spells of sunshine, but also spells of rain at times. that's all from me for now. this is the briefing. i'm sally bundock in london. our top story: donald trump and kimjong—un have met and shaken hands at the start of their historic one—day summit in singapore. i'm sharanjit leyl in singapore,
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where all eyes are on the summit hotel on sentosa island, where history could be made. the us president and north korean leader held brief one—on—one talks with translators on defusing tensions and nuclear disarmament. we're going to have a great discussion. and i think tremendous success. it will be tremendously successful. it's my honour.
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