tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News June 13, 2018 9:00am-11:00am BST
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hello, it's wednesday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. a year ago tonight, one of the uk's worst disasters in modern times happened here — at grenfell tower — in west london. a fire engulfed all 2a storeys of the tower block, killing in total 72 people. this morning we here to talk to those who lost friends and family and to talk to survivors. the official inquiry into how it happened has heard that a catalogue of errors contributed to such a huge loss of life. a local authority instigated and oversaw the refurbishment of a social housing high—rise tower block in such a way as to render it a death trap. this morning, we'll look at the promises that were made in the aftermath of the fire — including this one. we are ensuring that within three weeks, people will be rehoused, so they have a home to go to. today we can tell you that a year
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on, 82 out of 203 households are in permanent accommodation. plus we'll talk to live to the conservatives and to labour. and we'll hear from families we first met a year ago to see how they're doing and how they'll be marking one year since the fire broke out. this was really horrific, there's people who were jumping out, there was a man who... hello. a year ago tonight, the worst fire in london since the second world war broke out here at grenfell tower in west london.
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72 people in total died. one year ago we were here, and the day after the day that and through the year. and today, we're back here at the maxilla social club, which opened its doors as a respite and donation centre, and has been a key part of the relief effort over the last 12 months. there isjo who runs a social club, he is invited us back today and we are very grateful to him. right next to the social club, the wall of truth, where for the pastjust under 12 months, survivors have placed testimony, their own testimony, of how they got out of that tower. for example the man who escaped from the 14th floor with his four—year—old daughter strapped to his back. that is from one survivor. next to that there is a message of love from somebody who just leaves their
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initial, h. we miss you all, may you all rest in peace, you will all be ina all rest in peace, you will all be in a better place and you will never be forgotten. we're going to talk to those who are still grieving and we are going to talk to survivors this morning about how they have coped in the last 12 months, effectively. wherever you are in the country you are welcome to get in touch. to send us an are welcome to get in touch. to send us an e—mail. you can message us on twitter using #victorialive and if you text you will be charged at the standard network rate. before we begin let's bring you the latest news with joanna. theresa may has avoided an embarrassing brexit defeat in the commons, but the pressure remains firmly on the prime minister this morning from members of her own party. conservative rebels backed the government's brexit plans yesterday after striking a last—minute deal with ministers. but they're now warning the prime minister that she has to stick to her side of the bargain. our political correspondent chris mason has the story. this is what bodging together a victory in the house of commons looks like.
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the mp wandering up the stairs on the left of your screen is the government's chief whip, the man responsible for ensuring that the government doesn't lose. he is off for a casual chat with possible rebels. the ayes to the right, 324, the noes to the left, 298. those casual chats worked, as did the promise of a compromise. but did the government really offer very much? there was an expectation that a discussion will yield some fruit and i'm not saying it won't. it could very well and up with a further amendment in the lords. but i think for me to speculate about the size and shape of that, i think would be wrong. the former attorney—general dominic grieve, the leader of the would—be rebels, said he expected the government to honour its commitments. ultimately i'm there to try to improve a piece
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of legislation and inevitably, where there are differences of opinion, we have to negotiate and compromise and i hope very much that that's going to happen. if it doesn't happen then obviously this isn't the end of the matter. today there will be further votes on brexit in the commons. it isn't expected the government will be defeated but the debates are likely to highlight yet again, two years on from the referendum, how both the conservatives and labour are deeply divided on what the uk's future relationship with the eu should look like. let's cross to westminster and get more from our political guru norman smith. norman, how much pressure is theresa may under this morning? well, joanna, disses me might have bought herself sometime last night with that last—minute offer of talks with tory rebels but only at the price of
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storing up potentially much more trouble ahead. —— mrs may might have bought... the rebels clearly believe they were given a personal assurance by mrs may that she would take on more of those concerns and introduce amendments in the house of lords to reflect their desires to insure parliament has a say if there is no deal. the word from the government now, however, is that nothing was promised beyond talks, discussions, negotiations, nothing specific. and why this matters is because if rebels don't see any sign of movement when this goes to the house of lords, battle will be as young when it comes back to the commons. only this time there will be a lack of trust, a lack of goodwill on the pa rt of trust, a lack of goodwill on the part of the rebels, making it even more likely that mrs may could yet suffer a shattering defeat on this issue of a meaningful vote. the retailer dixons carphone says it's investigating a data breach involving 5.9 million payment cards and 1.2 million customer
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records. names and addresses were among the details accessed. the company, which owns currys pc world, says there was also an attempt to compromise 105,000 payment cards without chip and pin protection, but there was no evidence they'd subsequently been used in any fraud. the group is contacting all those affected. north korea's state news agency says kim jong—un has accepted an invitation from president trump to visit washington. the offer was made at yesterday's summit in singapore. north korea also claims mr trump offered to lift sanctions on the country during the talks but that's not been confirmed by the white house. french president emmanuel macron has accused the italian government of "cynicism" for refusing to let a stranded migrant ship dock in the country. the aquarius, carrying 629 migrants, had been drifting off the coast of malta but will now be rescued and taken on a three—dayjourney to the spanish port of valencia. the italian president says his country has
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already done its fair share to help migrants. slightly—raised blood pressure in middle age could lead to an increased risk of getting dementia in later life, according to a new study. researchers at university college london analysed the medical records of almost 9,000 civil servants. they found that 50—year—olds with higher than average blood pressure have a 45% greater risk of dementia than someone with a lower measurement. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. now the sport. good morning. england manager gareth southgate called on his players to entertain their country as they finally touched down in russia for the world cup. gareth southgate's team flew in st petersburg yesterday before into st petersburg yesterday before making the coach journey to a nearby village in the north—west of russia called repino. and this is what the players have arrived to. manchester united'sjesse lingard showed us an insight into how the they've made their own mark on their hotel rooms,
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with photo frames of their families, and themselves. and if england make the 2026 world cup, where will they be going? we'll find out about 11 o'clock this morning whether morocco or a joint bid from canada, the united states and mexico is successful. the former olympic, world, european and commonwealth long jump champion greg rutherford has announced his retirement from the sport, but he does still hope to compete at the european championships in august before ending his 13—year career. and just a reminder the first odi between england's men and australia takes place at the oval today — you can follow the coverage on radio 5live sports extra and the bbc sport website and app. that's all the sport for now. on the 14th ofjune 2017, this area of west london saw the worst loss of life in a uk fire since the blitz. in total, 72 people died when fire
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spread through all the floors of grenfell tower — completely destroying the homes within it, and some nearby. we are here today, rather than tomorrow, to respect the privacy of those affected who want to be left alone to grieve on the anniversary itself. this morning we'll speak to survivors and those who lost friends and family. the last time we were here in the maxilla social club, it was very different. it was absolutely packed with donations from all sorts of people who had given everything from clothing to food to toiletries. and it was from floor—to—ceiling. and also, this was the place that opened its doors in the early hours of the morning on the 14th ofjune two welcome anybody who had escaped from the tower. and jo, good morning, jo
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i’u ns the tower. and jo, good morning, jo runs this place, thank you for having us back, we appreciate it. jo did his absolute utmost to try and look after those people who gravitated towards here, having escaped from the tower and also from the surrounding area. some of the people that we're going to talk to today are here with us. thank you very much the coming down today. we're going to talk more in a moment. we are also going to look back at some of the promises that we re back at some of the promises that were made to people like, how many of those promises have been kept or broken. and we're also going to discuss what has been learned so far in the inquiry into the fire, which began last month. but first, our reporterjim reed on what happened that night. his report contains upsetting images. within 15 minutes, the whole building caught fire.
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i thought i lost him, i don't think he can make it. i can see smoke and we are seeing fire going up the building. over a single hour on the 14th ofjune last year, a small kitchen fire turned into the worst tragedy of its type in living memory. at 12:50 in the morning, maryam adam was sleeping on the fourth floor of grenfell tower. she was woken by her next door neighbour. then came over 100 calls to the london fire brigade. this is the first, from behailu kebede who lived in flat 16 where the fire started. the first trucks were dispatched from north kensington,
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hammersmith and paddington. they were on site in five minutes. this phone footage was filmed by a crew later that night. in the end, there would be a0 fire engines, 100 medics and 250 firefighters called in. by1:30am, the fire were starting to spread quickly. this photo, taken from the block opposite, shows flames already reaching the top of the building. just a0 minutes later, the fire had spread to the north side. at this stage, residents were still being told to stay inside their flats. standard advice for a tower block fire, which can normally be
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contained and put out quickly. josephjohn escaped from one of the lower floors with his family. you need to ring 999. there is a dedicated line for this incident, ok? 2:a5am and the first public confirmation that something is very wrong. a short statement released to the media saying emergency services were tackling a large blaze. two people had been treated for smoke inhalation. around that time, the stay—put policy was officially rescinded,
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residents were told to leave their flats and get out if they could. the grenfell inquiry has heard that should've happened sooner, after the fire spread from flat 16. some had already ignored the advice and made it down to safety. sid—ali and his wife rashida were higher up on the 15th floor. by 4am as the sun started to rise over west london, the impact of the fire was becoming clear. the mayor of london made his first comments, tweeting about a major incident at the tower. in horrific conditions, fire crews made progress. at 9:45am it was confirmed they had reached the top of the building, the 21st floor. it was very, very emotional. thinking that you've got friends there who support you, who are always there for you and then all of a sudden, they're not there. even now, i'm sitting down here,
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watching the building, it's like, that's not happening. it's like nobody can believe it, what happened. here with us today are some of those caught up and affected by the events ofjune14th, 2017. many of whom we've been following for the past year. hisam choucai lost his mother, sirria choucair, 60, a hospital caterer who lived on the 22nd floor, his sister, nadia, 33, a nursery teacher, who lived in a neighbouring flat, and her husband bassem,38, a marks and spencer supervisor. nadia and bassem's three daughters also died: mierna, 13, fatima, 11, and zaynab, 3. clarrie mendy lost her cousin mary mendy and mary's daughter
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khadija saye in the fire?they lived on the 20th floorjoseph john khadija saye in the fire?they lived on the 20th floor. and mahad egal, he's back with us. he escaped from the 11th floor with his wife and his children who were one and three years old at the time. i would like to ask you all how you will remember the events this time tomorrow, and i know every day you think about the family, but tomorrow, what will you do, hisam? the first thing i wish to say is that my thoughts and prayers will be for everybody really believed, the survivors, the residents and the community. my prayers will be with them. what i intend to do tomorrow is to visit two schools, the first one where my sister worked as a nursery teacher and where are her
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children attended. and the second school is where my sister's oldest daughter went to, there is a memorial doing on there. and then there is another memorial service in st helens church, i believe, which i will be attending hopefully. and then after that i will be proceeding tojoin the march. then after that i will be proceeding to join the march. what about yourself? good morning. likewise, my thoughts tomorrow are geared to facilitate the bereaved, the survivors, the local residents and the evacuees, the community at large. what i've done, actually, i we nt large. what i've done, actually, i went to st nevis church, i had to
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ask the reverend steve, steve, i would like to hold a service here for us. i had not heard nothing else being planned. and what we are doing, we've got 73 doves to release, why 73? because a lot of people feel there was more than 72. we will be lighting candles, we will have a gospel band, gospel choir, we're bringing back the binny steel band with a classical singer named nancy. we have a diverse array of faith leaders. the good thing is we have got a lot of barristers and qcs so have got a lot of barristers and qcs so we're going to have a roll call, reading them out, asking families to come and light candles in the church. we've got balloons to go up as well. from there we are going to have a silent procession. walking to the tower with our flowers and
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wreaths. then we're coming to plant remembrance trees, african lily trees puddle only trees, olive bushes, it is going to be quite beautiful. while we are doing the planting we will have some choirs, we will have a few tributes and speeches. that is going to be followed by an interfaith service, multicultural, interfaith service, and there will be some small light refreshments and drinks, prayers again. and from there we will proceed to another church for the service and for the end of the 24—hour vigil and back here for the silent walk. talking about yourself, what will you be doing tomorrow, who will you be thinking about? tomorrow
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came really fast. we will all be thinking about our neighbours, the people we have lost friends, families, neighbours. the community that has been traumatised. does it feel like a year ago? it doesn't. what does it feel like? a couple of months, honestly. last time i was in this garden was a year ago. so... and tomorrow, it is not tomorrow alone, it is more like a week from tomorrow we're going to be carrying on, visiting graves, symmetry is —— graves and cemeteries. it is a lot
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to think about, it is a lot physically planned and it is a lot mentally. it is a lot, you know? how would you say your emotions have beenin would you say your emotions have been in the run—up to this one—year anniversary? every day has been a fight and will continue to be a fight and will continue to be a fight for everybody. it's been very upsetting, there's been highs and lows. there's been victories and there's been losses. and it should not be that way. what about you? every day is a battle. and i'm not one to quit. i feel right now i have to bea one to quit. i feel right now i have to be a warrior queen, because, you know, growing up in a family, when
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you fall down, dust off and get back up. so, when i say the battle, it's a battle just to be here, just to get on with it every day, mundane things. and, you know, the fight, we're tired of the begging, it has beena yearof we're tired of the begging, it has been a year of begging for this, begging for our rights, our basic human rights. can you relate to that, mahad? it has been really difficult, yeah. it's been a big struggle. it's been painstakingly slow, processes... and you are still ina slow, processes... and you are still in a service apartment in a hotel? yeah. that's the accommodation we are in. in terms of spacing it is two rooms, it is not as such a single room in the holiday in that
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way were in before. it is to rooms and rooms of. but the thing is, it's not a family environment, because naturally kids make a lot of noise. and ina naturally kids make a lot of noise. and in a service or hotel environment naturally it is noisy because of the checkings and check outs and visitors. but it's been a roller—coaster, you know, because we're coming to terms with accepting what has happened, because the stage to this process itself and i believe one of the stages is denial. so, for the first six to eight months it is surreal, you don't want to come to grips and terms with the situation. and from there onwards, the processes and procedures and things and time... everything is healed by time so... i don't know, just have to wait, i suppose. charitable
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donations have been handed out to each household from the tower and i know, mahad, you wanted to make a point of thanking people today? yeah, it's one of the biggest things that drove me to come this morning was to make sure that i get an opportunity to thank the, public that has stepped forward and helped as in that has stepped forward and helped asina that has stepped forward and helped as in a time when we were still in smoke and, you know, in distress. at a time when we were at the lowest point we could possibly be in our lives. the british public, the community, they all came together. and i wanted to take this up at unity to say thank you very much, thank you very, very much for helping us it has reached us, the donations has reached us, it has made a difference, you know. the past 12 months would have been extremely hard without the help of the public. and honestly ijust want
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to say thank you very much to the public, thank you. i want to ask all of you finally, if i may, what do you want to see happen to the tower? i would like for the tower to bedene control over it in terms of what happens to it, to be given back to the community for them to decide in terms of what should be put there. the prime minister says no decisions have been taken and it will be led by the community and and the survivors. yes. the thing that i would like to see there is probably some sort of a playground may be a fountain, a memorial area somewhere where maybe a private space, where someone where maybe a private space, where someone could say a prayer or two, no matter what faith they are from.
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a space where someone would want to come, in respect of what happened there. so, it's about getting the balance. ijust wanted there. so, it's about getting the balance. i just wanted to there. so, it's about getting the balance. ijust wanted to ask there. so, it's about getting the balance. i just wanted to ask you, mahad, just mentioning theresa may, you know that she wrote in the evening standard two days ago that she had got things wrong, she said the initial response was not good enough and she included herself in that and she said she would always regret not meeting the survivors when she came down here the day after the fire — what does that mean to you? it means a lot. theresa may acknowledging her mistakes. it is a step forward, a step in the right direction. by theresa may admitting to her faults or her shortcomings, it quenched our anger and anticipation and restores faith and hope that there is going to be
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justice, that there will be a sense of fairness, hopefully. it is a positive step, and we can take it forward from there. it is interesting to hear you say that, thank you. thank you all very much for coming on the programme today. and we are here today because tomorrow, relatives have asked us to stay away, effectively and we absolutely want to respect that, because tomorrow is a day when they are thinking about people that they lost, homes that they lost, lives that they lost. this is the back of the maxilla social club and this area has been created for local children, a safe space for them to play and to concentrate on being children, effectively. we're going to talk about some of the things that have come out of the enquiry. fire service and advice to residents
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to stay put inside their flats effectively failed, quote, within half an hour of the fire starting. and the tower should have been evacuated much earlier. that is according to evidence given to the independent inquiry, which began just over three weeks ago. it has also heard from experts who say basic fire safety measures were missing or in adequate. the inquiry is going to last about 18 months and is going to last about 18 months and is looking at what happened, why it happened and what can be done to prevent anything similar happening again. our reporter is here. what have we learned so far? the public enquiry opened up on the 21st of may, the first couple of weeks we heard testimony, powerful testimony from survivors, relatives of people in the tower, and then it moved on, at the beginning of last week, the enquiry, into the causes of the fire. quite a detailed investigation, we
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have had tens of thousands of pages of documents released, we have gone through that evidence and we have made a short film about what we have learned so far about the causes of this fire. let's have a look. built in 1974, two last, its architects said, 100 years. what could have happened then that led to such a catastrophic fire and the deaths of 72 people lastjune? the g re nfell tower deaths of 72 people lastjune? the grenfell tower enquiry was set up to its on the causes of the fire in detail, the whole process is likely to last 18 months, maybe longer,
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already, we are starting to understand detail about how the fire started and crucially how it spread so quickly across the building. fridge fires are not uncommon, there are 300 in the uk each year. the enquiry heard how this one began in or around enquiry heard how this one began in oraround a enquiry heard how this one began in or around a tall hotpoint fridge freezer in the corner of flat 16. the owner of the flat, dialled 999. i have a fire. flat 16, grenfell tower. yes, you wait outside. i am outside, i'm downstairs. the first idea, the first picture of what happened that night, set out in these five detailed reports. written for the enquiry by different experts infire for the enquiry by different experts in fire safety, they reveal not one error but a whole catalogue, a whole series of mistakes that allowed the
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fire to take hold so quickly. by 1:14am, the fire had spread from the kitchen window to the outside of the building. 12 minutes later, it had reached the top of the tower. by to 10am, it had wrapped around the building. two hours after it started, the entire east side of the building was on fire. —— 2.10am.m shouldn't be possible to have a fire that travels that quickly in a building like that in this country, we have enough knowledge, enough expertise, that that sort of fire should not happen here. plastic cladding was fitted to the outside of g re nfell tower, cladding was fitted to the outside of grenfell tower, in 2016, as part of grenfell tower, in 2016, as part ofa of grenfell tower, in 2016, as part of a £10 million refit of the block, paid for by the council, one of those expert reports written for the enquiry called it a primary cause of the spread of the fire. the local authority instigated and oversaw the refurbishment of a social housing
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high—rise tower block in such a way as to render it a death trap. the giant us company that makes the cladding has said that its company was at most a contributing factor to the fire, in its submission to the enquiry it suggested no one would have died if the windows had been built with greater fire protection. evenif built with greater fire protection. even if the fire stops and fire breaks at work, the heat would have set fire to the panels above those firebreaks anyway. there was no way of stopping it once it started burning, absolutely everything appears to be on. yes, you have to look at the whole lot. the fire risks in the building went further than the cladding, there was according to expert reports, a culture of noncompliance as they put it, with fire regulations in g re nfell tower. it, with fire regulations in grenfell tower. all the fire doors between the fourth and 24th floors
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did not work as they should, many failed in 20 minutes instead of the 60 they should have lasted and the smoke ventilation system in the tower was reported to have failed, eight days before the fire. the state palpably failed in its primary duty to protect citizens. and as for the corporates, silence speaks a thousand words. many of the other firms that worked on the tower said they could not provide more information to the enquiry until later, when they had seen more evidence. the first fire engines reach the site quickly, within five minutes of the first 999 call. at this point residents were still being told to stay put inside their flats, that kind of advice is common in tower block fires, which can usually be contained and put out quickly. but expert reports for the
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enquiry found this policy had effectively failed half an hour after the fire had started. there was an early need for total evacuation of the block. why were we kept inside for so long? if i had not listened to the fire brigade, my son would likely have been alive today. the fire brigade clearly had never seen today. the fire brigade clearly had never seen anything like it, and i think that is an extraordinarily difficult situation to plan for, when it is effectively unprecedented. the lawyer for the fire brigade told the enquiry that a mass evacuation could not have happened quickly, he said the building simply was not designed for a simultaneous evacuation. we are likely to hear much more about that "stay put" policy as the enquiry goes on and as firefighters begin to give evidence. at the same time, the
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metropolitan police is opening its own investigation into the policy and possible health and safety breaches by the london fire brigade. in earlier tower block fires, before grenfell, lessons in earlier tower block fires, before g re nfell, lessons were in earlier tower block fires, before grenfell, lessons were not learned, and warnings were not acted on. the real test for this enquiry will be to make sure that does not happen again. do you and your colleagues now accept that the state put policy failed? my union, the fire brigade union, are taking part in a public enquiry, we had corporate participation statement in that, there is an ongoing enquiry, we have to wait and see what comes out of
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that, we will be making legal submissions and firefighters, brave men and women who went into the building with their lives on the line, they will be giving witness testimony as well, it is really unhelpful for anyone to start making assessments of the "stay put" policy assessments of the "stay put" policy as it is, we do not know what happened, that is what the enquiry has been set up for. at the end hopefully those 72 people, men women and children, who died in the building, will getjustice. let's speak to lucy masoud from the fire brigades union and aldo diana, a fire fighter who rescued nine people from the tower and has now retired from the job. it is easy to say things in hindsight, but having spoken to firefighters, who went into the building, like aldo, my colleagues, iam building, like aldo, my colleagues, i am based at chelsea fire station, one of the first on the scene, many of them, my friends, i can talk
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about the work they did on the night, the choices they had to make, absolutely heartbroken, haunted about what took place, and let's not forget the control workers who took the phone calls from the residents as well. these are the people we need to be focusing on, the community, the victims, rather than looking to point blame at the fire service when actually, we need to let the enquiry take place and find out the results at the end of it. you were one of the firefighters there that night, you rescued a number of people, what are your memories of that night? we turned up one hour later from the initial call, it was more disbelief that the building could be in golf inflamed that quickly, and that severely. —— engulfed in flames. we turned up and wanted help as quickly as we could what were conditions like when you we nt what were conditions like when you went in? inside it wasjust thick
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black smoke. very dark. residents coming out, firefighters going in, could not see anything. you could just about see your hand in front of your face. residents were coming out, we did what we did that night. that is notjust me, that is everybody on the ground. do you recall some of the individual she managed to rescue? the difficulty with that is, no i don't, because, when you have someone in a state of shock or panic, or confused, for us, it wasjust, they shock or panic, or confused, for us, it was just, they needed to get out because the smoke was that dick, it is the smoke that kills, not the fire, we needed to grab them and usher them downstairs. no, fire, we needed to grab them and usherthem downstairs. no, i don't remember anybody. i usherthem downstairs. no, i don't rememberanybody. i remember usherthem downstairs. no, i don't remember anybody. i remember the
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sexes but i could not say if an individual was definitely them. what is it like when you come back here? this is the first time i have been back since grenfell, in a nonworking capacity and i said to a colleague, it is in every place. i do feel something, even though i have refused counselling, well, i have gone for some counselling, but i feel i have not needed it, i have not refused it. but i do feel emotion here. the science behind us, walking here this morning, some of the letters, the flowers. —— the signs behind us. it is heartbreaking for the community. lucy, the london fire brigade put a statement online last week, asking the official enquiry, the independent enquiry to consider whether or not firefighters we re consider whether or not firefighters were put into an impossible situation, do you think they were?
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undoubted that it was an impossible situation, this is an unprecedented five, fires like that do not and should not happen in this country, the fifth richest country in the world, those firefighters that went in were experiencing something they had never experienced before. we do not have a policy to tackle cladding type fires, so they almost went in their blind. beyond that, you have to look at the cuts we have had to the service over the last four years in london alone, ten fire stations closed in london, 29 fire engines taken closed in london, 29 fire engines ta ken of closed in london, 29 fire engines taken of the front—line service and 1000 jobless. is that relevant to that night, with the combination of the cladding, the "stay put" policy, and so on. it was never about the number of firefighters getting there. we will see at the end of the enquiry, if we are looking at fire safety in general, this is a massive problem, my union, the fire brigade union, happy morning about catastrophes like this for some time and we have said for such a long
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time that if you make cuts to the fire service and the emergency services, lives will be lost. look at the stats for last year, even before grenfell, at the stats for last year, even before gre nfell, fire at the stats for last year, even before grenfell, fire deaths in london alone are up by 40%, before grenfell. we london alone are up by 40%, before gre nfell. we believe london alone are up by 40%, before grenfell. we believe that is a direct result of cuts to london services. response times have got better, 21% cut in firefighters since 2010, across the country, up to 2016, but despite that, response times have got better, fire incidents have gone down as well? so molest fires but fire deaths have gone up by 40%, that is even more worrying! —— so, what does that tell you, there is less fires, but fire deaths have gone up by 40%! kensington council are being investigated, and the tenant association in connection with corporate manslaughter, your "stay put" policy is also being investigated, what do you say to that? i return to my point about the
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work firefighters did, there are people currently using the media to make unhelpful comments about the firefighters, many of them are not decent enough to lace the boots of those firefighters, we are 50 metres from a mass grave, and my firefighters went in there, put their lives on the line and are heartbroken about what happened, for people to be pointing the finger at them is disgusting. so there shouldn't be an investigation? they can investigate, but there is the enquiry for that; the public will not be fooled, the public understand the incredible work those firefighters did, the impossible choices they made, making the choice about who they would save and who they would have to leave behind, these people are haunted. the public will not be fooled by any accusations of wrongdoing, neither will the community. i am in the community constantly and all that we get from people in the community, survivors, is thanks for the amazing work the firefighters did on that day. you were one of the men that
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went in there, the met police commander said it is an obligation on us commander said it is an obligation on us to look at the most serious potential criminal offences that may have been committed potentially under the health and safety at work act which requires public bodies and companies to protect the safety of the public. how do you react to the fa ct the public. how do you react to the fact the met are investigating? disappointed and hurt, the fact that firefighters are being investigated, eve ryo ne firefighters are being investigated, everyone that might work as hard as they could, 99 out of a hundred, stayed put policy works. i will not say any more on it but we work hard on that. i went up and down the stairs six times, over and above halfway, pulling out nine people. —— the "stay put" policy works 99 times out of 100. everybody worked hard, thatis out of 100. everybody worked hard, that is all i can say. thank you very much. let me read some messages from you. linder on twitter says, she has been praying for the grenfell survivors
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and for the residents since that day. i prayed especially for mahad, praying especially that he and his family are ok. wendy says, i live in kent, i have watched over the last year, no words, it is horrific this happened in 2017, my thoughts are with every single person including all the amazing firefighters and hospital workers and police officers et. this from trevor, former firefighter, from what i have seen and heard, many shortcomings, i would have thought the exit hallways, the walls and doors, would have been of efficient fire resista nce have been of efficient fire resistance to allow the residents to escape, this includes smoke stop doors to allow in smoke—free air. many more issues to be looked at. i hope they and the truth are not covered up. a disaster like grenfell should never have happened in the uk today. wherever you are, get in
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touch. a year on from the fire, just 82 families out of a total of 203 are living in a new, permanent home, that's despite a pledge that everyone would have a permanent place to live within 12 months. that promise was made by the prime minister. the council says 90% of people have now accepted one, but most haven't yet moved in. two weeks after the fire, when we were here at the maxilla social club, the then housing minister, alok sharma joined our broadcast to answer survivors‘ questions about housing. here's what happened. the housing minister, i'm told, is here. and his name is alok sharma, and he has agreed to be with us today, after pressure from residents. so, i know you have questions for him. i think he is here, alok sharma, hello.
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hi, i'm victoria. take a seat, thank you very much for giving us your time today. this is mr sharma, he's the housing minister. and he's here to answer lots of questions, and as the housing minister, the first question is, why have people yet to be rehoused two weeks on? well, sorry, can ijust first speak to all the people who are here — we are committed to doing everything we can to help every single person that has been affected. and it's not good enough... it's not true. actions before words, please. just answer her question, we don't need the sympathy. we don't want the sympathy, answer her direct question. that's it. so, the direct answer is that what we've committed to is that everyone will be offered housing in the local area. when? we're two weeks in, when? we said within three weeks. so that is next wednesday. no. can i just first say, look,
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i understand why people are really angry, i do understand that... please, if i may... no, no, no, no, excuse me. if i may, sir, just have one minute? cani...? we're not angry. no, sir, can ijust for one minute just say, i went to the harrow club last week together with my colleague nick hurd, and i met people who've been affected by this. and it was, you know, the bravery that people are showing in coming forward and the dignity is something that... stop it, please. stop it. they're asking you to stop platitudes, please. that was two weeks after the fire, ina that was two weeks after the fire, in a moment we will speak with marlyn lopez, she lived on grenfell walk and hasn't been able to return home. her and her two girls are still living in a hotel. her mum esperanza lopez, is also here. now we meet some of the residents
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and find out if they still have a long—term home to live in. —— if they have yet been offered a long—term home to live in. are they too heavy for you? are they too heavy for you? moving out of my temporary flat, moving into my new flat. she lived in grenfell tower, on the 12th floor, she is currently in a temporary flat, and today is the day that she moves into a permanent cottage full of —— permanent apartment. delivery men are helping her move out. 70 years old, she
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lived alone in grenfell tower full of on the night of the fire, a friend was staying over, they woke up friend was staying over, they woke up to screaming and the smell of smoke. eventually, they were rescued by firemen during the early hours of the morning. since the fire, she has lived between hotels and temporary flats. happy, happy, looking forward to living in my new flat. alemishet demissie is 70 years old. she lived alone in grenfell tower. do you have any anxieties about moving in? in this new property, i may feel lonely but i think that is part of life. we have to move on. i mean, there is no other way of doing this. are you ok? i am fine, yeah. i'm sorry.
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it's a significant but also an emotional moment for alemishet. it is something she has been anticipating for months. one year on, however, not all survivors have a permanent home. days after the fire, the prime minister promised to rehouse grenfell residents within three weeks. months later, another promise was made to permanently rehouse survivors with in a year of the fire. a year on, dozens of survivors are still dispersed across hotels and temporary flats. hi, antonio. good morning. good to see you again. how are you? antonio lived on the tenth floor of g re nfell tower with his 27—year—old son. during the early hours of the 14th ofjune, as the fire blazed through his tower block, he was rescued by firefighters. his son was out at the time. since the fire, antonio has lived in two hotels and this temporary flat in west london. it's temporary accommodation.
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it's a beautiful house but it's not my flat. it does not reflect my identity, my way of being, you understand? so if i want to put something up, i have to ask permission. so you can't decorate this place? no, it is nicely decorated but it is not my personal home like grenfell tower. and also, i cannot buy... over the past year, antonio has turned down six permanent properties offered to him by kensington and chelsea council. do you not worry that you are losing public sympathy? you have rejected six offers of permanent accommodation. people watching might think you're being too picky. ok, we have shown interest in various properties but only a few would match what they call my descriptions. what would your description be? my description would be like, i want a two—bedroom flat, so basically a kitchen and a living room and bathroom. if you're moving into a property for the rest
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of your life, it's not like buying a car or a motorbike where you say, "ok, i will keep it for three orfour years and then i'll change it." no, i would have to spend the rest of my life there. so i have to have the feeling that, "yes, this is it." some flats offered to me on top floors where there were no lifts. so then i said to start with, "ok, where is the lift here?" "it's on the fourth floor so what if tomorrow i am not able to walk as well as i can now?" then there was another occasion where there was a small kitchen, there was no connection to the washing machine. so those who are losing sympathy with survivors who are rejecting properties, what would you say to them? listen to our stories as well. and that's why unfortunately not so many of us would speak out. i never asked for promises. it is unprecedented. it is very difficult. don't promise something you might not be able to keep. i am willing to wait as long as it
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ta kes for me to find the right accommodation. they could have listened to us from day one, from the very beginning. i have to praise the guys who try to help us. people working with the council. the settlement team, the key workers and so on. the trust is not there for the top layer of these people because they kept on promising things and they cannot maintain. so what trust can i have? we approach the royal borough of kensington and chelsea for an interview with its leader, elizabeth campbell, about rehousing the survivors. they declined and gave us this statement. alemishet has arrived
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at her new property. a year on since the fire, she finally has a place she can call home. wow! look at my new place. which i'm going to enjoy. how does it feel? good, very good. i'm very happy. yeah. i can't ask for more. considering the situation. i don't want to take anything for granted. i've been through a lot, we all have been through a lot, but there is no point in looking back and thinking about the past. it's better to move on and aim for the future, for a positive future. don't promise something you might
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not be able to keep, the words of antonia. let's speak with marlyn lopez, who lived on grenfell walk. she and her daughters are still living in one room in a hotel. also with us, her mother, who lived with her daughter but has now been rehoused. piers thompson, housing campaigner from north kensington, and eve allison was until very recently a councilor at kensington and chelsea. what has it been like? macro is very
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hard, roller what has it been like? macro is very ha rd, roller coasters, what has it been like? macro is very hard, roller coasters, mixed emotions, lots of questions, not really many emotions, lots of questions, not really ma ny a nswers. emotions, lots of questions, not really many answers. we are still here. are we going back home? lots of emotions. how do you answer it? how do you answer the question, are we going back home? it is hard, one is nine, one is six, and so it is very ha rd to is nine, one is six, and so it is very hard to sit down and have a conversation with kids. try to avoid it sometimes. i've got some messages here, pauline rochdale has text it to say, it is a disgrace that the government has let these people down, how would they like to live in a hotel room for 12 months. —— paul in rochdale. theresa may has let down the people of grenfell time and again, says one viewer, the promise was either stupid or a cruel lie. jonathan on twitter, if ever there
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was an example of politicians not understanding the housing crisis in this country, it is what has happened after grenfell. you have had more than one off of permanent accommodation, why did you turn it down, explain to us. i want something that is a home, that i can call a home. i don't want to pick just anything. when it comes down to the girls, as well, and, i have made them help me make a decision, because it has affected them. it has been hard to come to terms and choose where we are going to live. what has it been like for your daughter and your grand daughters? my
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my mum says it's been a very hard year. and she's been a bit unwell. to know that obviously there has offers been made but nothing yet. to know that obviously there has offers been made but nothing yetm course you hope it will be soon, it could be next week, it could be the week after? tomorrow, maybe friday, so... week after? tomorrow, maybe friday, so... fingers crossed. yes, absolutely. you lost your council seatin absolutely. you lost your council seat in me, you were a conservative on kensington council, you put it down to voters being unimpressed with the council's initial response to this disaster, would you?” with the council's initial response
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to this disaster, would you? i would say yes. what happened was, people just could not vote locally for a party that they saw that just wouldn't have any resonance with what had happened. regarding 6 re nfell what had happened. regarding grenfell and i think it is more than a shame, it is to our national disgrace, actually, that the whole thing has won on as long as it has. to be honest. the council say, they acknowledge that mistakes were made in the initial stages, absolutely, although the night after the fire, they said everybody who wanted a combination or a roof over their heads, had one. they also say it has been a hugely complex challenge and 90% of families have now accepted an offer of a permanent home and 90% of those homes are ready to move into. do you think the council are successfully and slowly rebuilding
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trust with the local community or not? no, to be honest, it has really been too little, too late. and for yea rs been too little, too late. and for years and years, people living on council estates around here have been treated as though we were lucky to live in kensington. we're talking about people who have been brought up about people who have been brought up here, whose mothers lived here, whose grandparents lived here. and to be honest, we've been treated for yea rs to be honest, we've been treated for years and years with callous indifference. now, ilive years and years with callous indifference. now, i live on the silchester estate which you can see behind us and the council decided to three years ago they wanted to regenerate, which means demolish our estate, and really took our needs or our wants or estate, and really took our needs or ourwants or our estate, and really took our needs or our wants or our opinions. except they listened to you in the end because they didn't demolish it? well, once the full glare of the spotlight was on this area after the fire, they realised that there plans did not stand up to scrutiny. but it's simply another indication that
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people who live on council estates are not treated with the respect they deserve, and we saw how strong this community is on the night and the days after the fire. and we are going to talk more about that in the next hour. thank you all very much. i'm going to read more of the council statement, this is from the leader. i have seen and heard the stories bravely told in the first two weeks of the public inquiry. the families involved, she says, are not statistics to be moved around a balance sheet. so, we will know longer set deadlines. they are not required. what is quiet is understanding, support and a willingness to help, no matter how large or how small the task. we must do everything we can to rehouse the families as quickly as possible and support them in rebuilding their lives. we have already committed 200 and £35 million to secure homes so that people have a maximum choice
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available, she says. we continue to look at the barriers stopping people moving into a new home but we have to a cce pt moving into a new home but we have to accept that one of the barriers is trust in the council itself and thatis is trust in the council itself and that is something we understand and accept that it will take time to rebuild. that statement from the leader of kensington and chelsea borough council. thank you for your time this morning, we wish you all the best. we're going to bring you the best. we're going to bring you the latest news and sport at ten. before that, let's bring you the weather with carol. it isa it is a really quiet start to the day with a lot of quiet weather and sunshine but there are lots of showers in the forecast, as we look ata showers in the forecast, as we look at a storm coming across our shores over the coming 24 hours,, particularly over the northern areas. more on that in a second. what we have at the moment is a lot of dry weather, a lot of cloud building with one or two showers coming in across wales and the south—west of england and the midlands, east anglia and the south—east of england. and we have also got a weather front producing some rain moving eastwards across scotland. by the time he gets into eased in scotland the rain will be
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fairly patchy. then we look to the atla ntic fairly patchy. then we look to the atlantic because we have got an unseasonably deep area of low pressure coming our way. this is it and as we go through this evening and as we go through this evening and overnight and into tomorrow morning, it's going to deposit some heavy rain across scotland. and it's going to sink south—eastwards. as the rain crosses england and wales it will be more patchy in nature. that is only half the story because the wind is going to be a big feature of the weather overnight and tomorrow morning. if we take a look at that, if you're travelling early on, across scotland and northern ireland and the far north of england, this is where a we're going to have the strongest gusts of wind tomorrow morning. across the central lowlands, for example, the gusts could be up to 70mph and it could be more than that in exposed areas across north—west of scotland. even across north—west of scotland. even across northern ireland and northern england we are booking at potentially damaging gusts, likely to lead to some travel disruption. stay in touch with the forecast and you can find out more on your bbc
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local radio station and from the bbc weather centre. the first band of rain clears the south—east and then we're looking at a lot of dry weather and some sunshine. if you follow this rain around it takes another swipe at scotland as it moves from west to east. it will still be very windy across the northern half of the country. slowly it will moderate as we go through the course of the day. for much of england and wales the wind will quite quickly tend to abate, leaving a breezy day on thursday. heading into friday, a quieter day weather—wise. a lot of sunshine to start with, cloud building through the day. and then we've got another weather front coming our way. the day. and then we've got another weatherfront coming our way. that is going to bring some rain in across parts of central and west in scotla nd across parts of central and west in scotland and also northern ireland. but it won't be particularly heavy compared to what we are looking at early on thursday. temperature—wise we're looking at 17—22. hello, it's 10 o'clock,
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i'm victoria derbyshire. we're here at grenfell tower, where a year ago tonight one of the uk's worst disasters in modern times happened. 72 people lost their lives. we've been hearing how those who escaped the fire have been coping this past year. every day's been a fight, and will continue to be a fight for everybody. it's been very upsetting, there's been highs and there's been lows. there's been victories and there's been losses. but at a cause, unfortunately. and it shouldn't be that way. we're tired of the begging, it's been a year of like begging for this, just begging for our rights, our basic human rights. the british public, the community, they all came together and i wanted
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to actually take this opportunity to say thank you very much, thank you very, very much for helping us. it has reached us, the donations has reached us and it has made a difference. there has been strong criticism of some of the advice given to residents by the fire service, including to stay put in their flats on the night of the fire, criticism which firefighters this morning tell us which firefighters this morning tell us is unfair. you know, there are people currently using the media to make very unhelpful comments about those firefighters. many of them aren't decent enough to lace the boots of those firefighters. we're standing not 50 metres from a mass grave standing in west london and it was my firefighters who went in there and put their lives on the line and are absolutely heartbroken about what happened. to now have people try and put the finger at them is absolutely disgusting. we also heard from one of the
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firefighters who was there on the night and had to rescue people. inside it wasjust night and had to rescue people. inside it was just thick black smoke from the third staircase upwards, third—floor upwards from the third staircase upwards, third —floor upwards of. it from the third staircase upwards, third—floor upwards of. it was very dark, and that was for the residents coming out and the firefighters coming out and the firefighters coming in, we can't really see anything, your hand in front of your face, that's basically all you could see. following the fire, there were pledges from the authorities on rehousing, safety checks on tower blocks, financial help and mental health support. we'll be asking how many of those promises have been kept? and how many broken? and it's been estimated that up to 11,000 people could have been mentally affected by the fire in mental health terms. we'll be speaking to survivors and community groups about how they are coping with the trauma. good morning.
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but first here's joanna gosling in the studio with a summary of todays news. theresa may has avoided an embarrassing brexit defeat in the commons, but the pressure remains firmly on the prime minister this morning from members of her own party. conservative rebels backed the government's brexit plans yesterday after striking a last—minute deal with ministers. but they're now warning the prime minister that she has to stick to her side of the bargain after a senior minister raised doubts about what deal had actually been offered. the supreme court has ruled that a plumber should have been treated as a worker with employment rights rather than as self employed. gary smith, who was with pimlico plumbers, claimed unfair dismissal after a heart attack and holiday pay that he had missed, even though he had been on a self—employed contract. the court ruled that he was a worker with employment rights, which would include holiday pay, as well as the minimum wage. the retailer dixons carphone says it's
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investigating a data breach involving 5.9 million payment cards and 1.2 million customer records. names and addresses were among the details accessed. the company, which owns currys pc world, says there was also an attempt to compromise 105—thousand payment cards without chip and pin protection, but there was no evidence they'd subsequently been used in any fraud. the group is contacting all those affected. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you for your messages as you're watching around the country today. is one says... i grew up on the 13th floor with my father being one of the first families into the tower block. this is grenfell tower, obviously. my father remembers it being built. my heart is broken for all those who lost their lives and a yearon, all those who lost their lives and a year on, although i have driven past, i cannot bring myself to go to the foot of the tower. this one on e—mail says... the stay put policy
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would have worked if the building had been fit for purpose, which it was not due to cost—cutting, renovation on the cheap. we know where the blame lies. pointing the finger at the fire brigade is an insult to the brave men and women who put their lives in danger every day to protect the public. and this one says. . . day to protect the public. and this one says... while every aspect of the disaster needs to be investigated, including the fire service, let's remember the dedication and bravery of the firefighters on the ground. they are not responsible for the policies that seem to have failed. since the fire, which was a year ago tonight, a series of promises were made to those who escaped and to the families of those who died. these included pledges on rehousing, safety checks, financial help and mental health support as well as justice for everyone who suffered. but how many of those promises have been kept on how many have been broken? here's jim been kept on how many have been broken? here'sjim reid again.
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in the days after the fire, politicians from all sides made their way to the site. there were plenty of words and speeches. but 12 months on, how many promises have turned into concrete action? on housing, the government made two separate promises. first, to act within three weeks. within three weeks, people will be rehoused so they have a home to go to. and byjuly 5th, all households who wanted it had been offered temporary accommodation, many in hotels. are they too heavy for you? then there was a second promise, for the council to provide a permanent home in a year. here, the record does not look as good. there are still 15 in emergency accommodation. well, of course it's not good enough. clearly that's disgraceful.
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it isn't really true to say that the council haven't made any efforts to rehouse people. it also isn't true to say that the former residents of grenfell tower are being fussier than they should be in any way. there is a dire shortage of housing and if this teaches us anything, it's that we need to get building. two days after the fire, the government made £5,000 available for each family to buy food, clothes and essentials. the most direct financial support, though, came not from this state, but from the public. food are going here... after a slow start, most of the money raised in donations has now reached survivors. 40,000 boxes of clothing, bedding and other items were also donated. around one fifth went to the community. most were sold with the money passed on to grenfell tower residents.
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it's about turning all the different donations we've had into cash which will automatically go to the appeal. hours after the fire, it was clear something had gone very wrong with the building itself. the prime minister called for a major national investigation into the use of cladding on high—rise towers. something has clearly gone wrong over a number of years and we need to find out what, why and how to make sure it doesn't happen again. damejudith hackitt was appointed to lead a review of building regulations. she wanted them tightened but didn't call for a total ban on combustible cladding. what i am setting out to do is put a better system in place for the future. that decision was not well received by many grenfell tower residents. many grenfell tower relatives. it's absolutely ridiculous. so basically, what she is saying is peoples' lives mean nothing. the government says it might go ahead with that ban anyway, and it did say that it would pay to get rid of
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suspect cladding on other social housing blocks. the government will fully fund the removal and replacement of dangerous cladding by councils and housing associations. to do that, though, it's raiding its own affordable homes budget. cutting the number of new homes built in the short—term. but ministers have been less keen to pay for other fire safety measures. here in croydon in south london, the local authority is spending millions fitting sprinklers to its high—rise blocks. like other english councils, it's written to central government to ask for help paying for it. three times, though, the minister has said no because he says the works are not essential. unfortunately, we've been completely disappointed. i think the government should really put their money where their mouth is and step in and ensure these sprinklers are fitted. justice is a difficult promise to ever deliver. it can mean a different thing to different people. a public inquiry was announced the day after the fire. to get to the truth
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about what happened, and who was responsible, and providejustice for the victims and their families. two weeks later, the retired judge sir martin moore—bick was named as chair. that inquiry opened last month and started taking evidence. it's a process likely to take at least one year, maybe much longer. my team and i are determined to provide the answers that you seek. it will run alongside a separate police investigation, with corporate manslaughter charges possible against the council and others involved. we will do that meticulously. we will do it fairly and we will do it fearlessly. plenty of people living near grenfell would like to see more action, more quickly. we need accountability. decisions that were made in local authorities, those individuals on planning committees, they have to be held accountable and they have to be prosecuted because that is what happens to ordinary people. the charge of corporate manslaughter with gross negligence needs
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to stick. whether that promise is kept, we might not know for many years. it's fair to say the community living near grenfell tower is not going to let the police or politicians forget what happened here injune 2017. let's go now to westminster, where we can talk to the conservative mp kevin hollinrake, who sits on the housing select commitee, and labour mp sarahjones, who is shadow housing minister. both join us from westminster this morning because of those brexit votes in parliament today. we repeatedly asked senior members of the government to join us today, they declined that they have given us they declined that they have given usa they declined that they have given us a written statement. i wonder, did your government deceived people when it promised that everyone would have a permanent home within a year? good morning and can ijust say that tomorrow is the anniversary of the most shocking, terrible tragedy and
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i think everybody that is involved in this, including myself, should apologise to the victims of grenfell. in terms of the rehousing things have not happened as quickly as they should have done, there is no doubt about that, the secretary of state said that in the house and we need to do more. 300 homes have been purchased by kensington and chen the council but they need to do a lot more and they need to do more to make sure those homes are fit for purpose so that people can move in. why was theresa may even making that promise when you know, she knows, it is the council's responsibility to rehouse people, she put them in an impossible situation, dinxi?|j rehouse people, she put them in an impossible situation, dinxi? ithink the commitment to rehouse people temporarily was carried out. the commitment to rehouse people temporarily was carried outlj the commitment to rehouse people temporarily was carried out. i am talking about the one—year one. you're absolutely right that we need to find out why this has not happened as quickly as it should. but i'm sorry, you're not answering my question... why was that promise
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even made by the prime minister when it is the council's responsibility to rehouse? well, clearly there is a cross responsibility here. i don't think anybody in westminster wants to avoid responsibility for putting this right. clearly, if the council don't do what they should, central government should step in and make sure it happens. so i think there is an acceptance that things have not happened as they should. of course we have made some steps but not enough and not quickly enough and we need to do a lot more. mrs may wrote in the london evening standard this week that her initial response to the fire wasn't good enough. she included herself in that. she said she got things wrong. do you agree that she got things badly wrong? like i said i would not ever disagree with the prime minister, i think it was a very fair admission andi think it was a very fair admission and i think we all make mistakes in life and do things and we look back and regret some of the ways we dealt with things. i think we should accept that apology that she's made,
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i'm sure she's learned from it and i think we all need to learn from its. this is not just think we all need to learn from its. this is notjust about a tragedy, these are individual people's lives, horrendous stories and as we have all said, i think the victims and the survivors, their focus all said, i think the victims and the survivors, theirfocus now all said, i think the victims and the survivors, their focus now is making sure we get to the bottom of what happened and we make sure that this time it does not happen again. well, if your double rent —— if your government had implemented some of the recommendations from the lakmal house fire inquest, where six people died ina house fire inquest, where six people died in a tower block, maybe g re nfell died in a tower block, maybe grenfell wouldn't have happened ? died in a tower block, maybe grenfell wouldn't have happened? a coroner in 2013 recommended that the toll blocks should be retrofitted with sprinklers and also recommended the government carry out a review of fire safety guidance and building regulations — neither of those things had happened by the time of the grenfell fire? he did not quite say they should be installed, he said local authorities should consider installing them. the secretary of state at the time wrote
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to the local authorities regarding sprinklers and where they are needed absolutely they should be installed. in terms of the guidelines themselves... the government could have asked, could have demanded, that local authorities installed those sprinklers? he could have done and so could the previous states have decided to do that. i am not saying that should not have happened. we need to learn the lessons. in terms of the building rain is! lessons. in terms of the building rain is i absolutely think that should have happened and it needs to happen now, something our select committee has called for. we are disappointed that was not included in the hackett review of building regulations but we need to make sure that it happens today. i don't think it is right to say this would not have happened. i think some of the evidence which is coming out shows that the panels on grenfell did not even meet the guidance which was there, and the guidance is ambiguous but it is clear and if those panels do not meet the classification, then
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it does demonstrate it is notjust about the building regulations, it is about the poor system of making sure that the building regulations are followed. and that is not where we are at the moment and we need change. 0k, let me bring in sarah jones, shadow housing minister. how much responsibility do labour shoulder here? i think we all shoulder here? i think we all shoulder the responsibility azman was of parliament to try and put this right. there are three issues i think. the first is how the survivors were treated after the fire. and we know there has been a litany of failures i think for me, what we didn't do, and what maybe the council and the government did not do, was to listen enough to the survivors, some of the homes that we re survivors, some of the homes that were bought by the council were bought with views of the tower or they were bought at height, they we re they were bought at height, they were not appropriate for people who have been through such trauma. so we
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have been through such trauma. so we have half of the survivors now who are not in permanent housing. i think the second issue is making sure we remove the cladding that is on the 300 blocks that we know of, there are probably more, that is flammable cladding. and only ten of those blocks have had that cladding removed. and the government has to step in and act. and then the third pa rt step in and act. and then the third part is the government has to make sure that this doesn't happen again by changing the rain is and there i think there is a particular issue with this government that the view has been that rain is some kind of bureaucracy which is to be swept away to make it easier for companies to do things — and i think that is the wrong approach, rain is there for a reason. we need strong health and safety and fire rain is to make sure we have buildings which...“ you mean that, why did the last labour government in 2006 water down
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fire safety checks? i think i am labour government in 2006 water down fire safety checks? i thinki am not here to say this was labour's fault and this was the government's fault, this was the conservatives' false, thatis this was the conservatives' false, that is not helpful. what we need to do is focus on the survivors and the people who are now living in blocks that are dangerous and make sure we put this right. people say we must make sure... let me ask you something which your leaderjeremy corbyn said recently, addressing the fire brigades union, he repeated his desire to take over wealthy people's empty homes in the area, to rehouse g re nfell empty homes in the area, to rehouse grenfell residents — can you talk as to how that would work? well, i think what we need to do is look at every single option that's available. because clearly there is not enough housing... how would the policy work? if there are empty properties that are not being used, perhaps they can be used to house some of the residents. but the key is to start by looking at the properties themselves to make sure
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they are right for these very, very traumatised families, need to have the right mental health report and the right mental health report and the housing needs to be in the right place and done in the right way. how wealthy would you have to be to have your property commandeered? wealthy would you have to be to have your property commandeered ?|j wealthy would you have to be to have your property commandeered? i think we're talking about properties that are empty and nobody is using and i think the council should be talking to everybody in the local area to see what options are there and to make sure we do the right thing. the point is, we shouldn't leave any stone unturned to make sure the residents and the survivors get the homes that they need. you talked about the housing shortage generally, over the whole of the last labour government, 13 years, do you know how many council homes you built? i do not have the number, i know that in the last year of the labour government, we were investing billions in building affordable homes but i think it is a fair point about council housing... let me tell you how many, it was 7800 council
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homes, the last labour government built. over 13 years. homes, the last labour government built. over13 years. margaret thatcher's conservative government built more council homes in one year than you did over the entire period of office. at we're talking about affordable homes, so housing associations elt tens of thousands of homes over that period. council homes... you're right and a lot of those have been sold off under right to buy which has meant that we have had a drain on council homes. what's labour are now looking at and what we are in our policies is that what we are in our policies is that what we wa nt we are in our policies is that what we want to see a renewal of that council house building and we want affordable homes to actually be affordable. there is this strange definition of affordable homes which the government uses which is 80% of the government uses which is 80% of the market trent bridge is not affordable. so we need to make sure when we're talking about affordable housing, we mean it. and we need to invest and we need to allow councils to borrow to build council homes.
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that is absolutely right and we need to be doing much more of that. final thought to you, kevin, as a conservative mp, why hasn't your government banned dangerous cladding? on that point, on sarah's point about the cladding on building is now, the government has put £400 million into a recent announcement so million into a recent announcement so that all of that cladding can be removed and replaced and work is going on on most of those buildings today. i'm talking about banning it? and i will come to that. next week the government will bring forward its proposals to ban combustor book leading and its relation. it is something i have been calling for in parliament for a number of months, 12 months, ever since this happened, it is absolutely the right thing to do andl it is absolutely the right thing to do and i think the whole of parliament wants to do it, i cannot believe we will not do that now. it is one of many things we need to fix. we need to get to the bottom of what's happened. numerous enquiries, including the police investigation, we need to let those enquiries take their course and then make sure as
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we all agree that this can never, ever happen again. and really we must get to that point. thank you both. thank you for your messages on twitter. this one says... to all the firefighters up and down the country and to those at grenfell, the public don't agree it is your fault. huge respect to you all and your courage. you run in when we would run away. this one says... i work in fire and security, i've got 20 years experience in the industry, the building will be found to have a catalogue of errors, which involves questions of the stay put policy. the amazing fire service will be exonerated of any wrongdoing. this one says. . . exonerated of any wrongdoing. this one says... i don't think grenfell tower survivors should be criticised at all for not accepting the first homes offered to them. after what's
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happened to them it is the least they deserve, to able be to choose they deserve, to able be to choose the right place to live for the rest of their lives. and this one says... surely the main problem with g re nfell surely the main problem with grenfell is the lack of sprinter systems, all other large buildings that don't have an accommodation mostly have sprinklers. and this one. . . mostly have sprinklers. and this one... my heart goes out to everyone affected by the grenfell disaster. one yearon, the affected by the grenfell disaster. one year on, the shock and horror is still so real. love and peace to you all, i wish you the strength you need to rebuild your lives, your bravery is humbling. let's look now at what we can expect to be achieved by holding an independent inquiry. we can talk to elkhan abrahamsson, who represented 20 of the 96 hillsborough families at the inquests into that disaster. shahin sadafi, who lived on the 5th floor of g re nfell tower and chairs the residents group grenfell united, and hisham choucair, who lost family in the disaster and has been giving
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evidence to the inquiry. in the disaster and has been giving do in the disaster and has been giving you trust the er trust do you trust the enquiry? we have to trust the enquiry, as a community we have worked hard to make sure we have worked hard to make sure we have trust in the enquiry, we thank full to everyone who took part in making sure that we get to have a panel, a decision—making panel, independent and can make sure that we get to the truth. we thank full to everyone, it took a year of hardship, now the enquiry has started we can only have hope. —— we are thankful to everyone. we will support that as much as possible. as a relative of six people who lost their lives, do you trust the enquiry? i see the enquiry as a tick box for the government's failings
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and the local authorities failings. does that mean you do not trust it? it is not that i don't trust it but i see it as it is not that i don't trust it but isee it asa it is not that i don't trust it but i see it as a process that we have to go through, to identify, like my colleague said, the truth. we are forced to go along that line. you back calls for a new law to compel public officials to tell the truth when it comes to things like this. that is because of your experience of hillsborough, when it became clear that some south yorkshire police officers had lied, about what had happened although she isa go, about what had happened although she is a go, what difference would it make? looking at the state the enquiry is at now, the parties involved and who might have been responsible would be saying, you know what, we may have messed up, we are know what, we may have messed up, we a re really know what, we may have messed up, we are really sorry... it doesn't create any liability to say that, it creates honesty. it means what they
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say will be better received by the people involved, at the moment, they are all maintaining very defensive postures. why is that a bad thing? it isa postures. why is that a bad thing? it is a bad thing because first of all, we are one year on, people want to know what happened, the sooner they know what happened, the sooner there will be acknowledgement of responsibility, the better, also a bad thing because why should public bodies and publicly funded bodies the defensive? why can't they tell the defensive? why can't they tell the truth? —— publicly funded bodies be defensive. they are worried about financial and locations, they are worried about being sued. financial and locations, they are worried about being suedm financial and locations, they are worried about being sued. if it is the truth, then they should be responsible for making reparations for what went wrong, what is so awful about that? why do we live in awful about that? why do we live in a society where defensive litigation and defensive posturing is acceptable, it should not be. you are nodding your head in agreement. absolutely, we need to recognise that the hillsborough law will lead
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toa that the hillsborough law will lead to a legacy for the hillsborough families, and they deserve that, after 20, nearly 39—year is —— after 29, nearly 30 years of working to get to the truth and justice. we support the hillsborough law and the families at grenfell united, we thank them for their support and comforting us and supporting our community in what we are going through. it is important the legacy is honoured and it is important that theirfindings and is honoured and it is important that their findings and learnings that we have had as a nation is used in then fell and have had as a nation is used in then felland engine enquiry have had as a nation is used in then fell and engine enquiry to make sure our community does not have to go through 30 years of seeking justice. -- is through 30 years of seeking justice. —— is used in grenfell. through 30 years of seeking justice. -- is used in grenfell. as a grieving family member, do you feel you are at the centre and front of this enquiry? i disagree, you only have to look at the location of the enquiry and where they put the bereaved families, they put them right at the back of the room, which
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i find disrespectful. there is a lot of issues with the location, it is not appropriate, it is disrespectful, it should be in the heart of the community. close to grenfell. it's disrespects the history of the area, the community and the bereaved and survivors. let me ask you both, what you want from the government. we want the government... you met theresa may yesterday, did you not. government... you met theresa may yesterday, did you notlj government... you met theresa may yesterday, did you not. i did meet theresa may yesterday... what did you ask for? i got only two minutes of hertime. you ask for? i got only two minutes of her time. of course. the first thing i wanted from her, was to enact the hillsborough law, to ensure that we do not have to go through a struggle in terms of achieving justice and fighting for public funding. did you say that to her yesterday? how did she respond?
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she responded by saying they are looking into the process. the second thing i asked herwas, looking into the process. the second thing i asked her was, with regard to the £400 million, it is going to cost the government to remove the cladding from high—rise buildings. i basically said to her, that better not be coming out of the housing budget. it is coming out of the affordable homes budget. budget. it is coming out of the affordable homes budgetlj budget. it is coming out of the affordable homes budget. i said to her, that had better not be coming out of bed... it is! she did not mention that, she said that she would be discussing it with, i don't know, the relevant person. the what what do you want from the government? we want the government to continue to support bereaved families and survivors, to make sure there is a level playing field. we wa nt there is a level playing field. we want to make sure that our expertise and witnesses have the right funding to ensure that we are on a level playing field with the defendants, we want to make sure the government makes commitment right now early on
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that they will take on all the findings of the enquiry and implement them, so there is a change in culture, we want there to be a legacy for the 72 lives lost, and the families that have gone through the families that have gone through the tragedy, we want to make sure that people safe in their homes in united kingdom again. we want to see the 400 million that has been put forward for bringing down the cladding actually implemented and a timeline set in place so that people feel safe in their homes, because tonight, people will be sleeping in home surrounded by cladding, schools, hospitals, different public buildings and private buildings that have cladding on them. we want the government to take action. we are very grateful that we are starting to listen to the community, and taking things into account. actions speak louder than words and we need to see that action now. thank you very much. thank you forjoining us.
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i have a statement from the government, the grenfell tower was an awful tragedy that should never have happened, ministers have been clear that the council must work quickly to rehouse surround survivors and we will do everything necessary to make sure people can move into settled home swiftly. we will fully fund the removal and replacement of unsafe cladding by housing associations, estimated at £400 million. —— work quickly to rehouse survivors. one tonight, the fire at grenfell tower broke out, just after the fire, a specific
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nhs team was set up to look after the mental health of all those people affected. the man in charge of it called it "the biggest programme there's ever been in europe." it's estimated 11,000 people could have been impacted by the fire. a team of more than 50 therapists and 20 outreach workers was established, called the grenfell health and wellbeing service. but in figures obtained earlier this month, although almost 7,000 people had been contacted, onlyjust over 2,000 people had been screened and referred for help. the vast majority of those were found to have post—traumatic stress disorder. our reporter ashleyjohn baptiste, has been back to visit some of the survivors he met a year ago, to see how they're coping. in the weeks and months after the grenfell towerfire, we heard
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from residents who lived in the tower block of how the brutal blaze took a toll on their mental health. how would you feel if you are sleeping in your bed and all you could see is dead people? i always feel sad. i don't really ever want to leave my hotel room. now, a year on since the fire, we want to know how survivors, volunteers and local residents are coping. ruykayet mamudu and her 13—year—old grandson lived on the first floor of g re nfell tower. we first spoke to them just one month after the fire. back then, they were living in a hotel in west london. i can't sleep well in the night. i wake up with palpitations, scared that something might happen to me again. sweating. one year on, how are you doing?
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ayearon, being in shock is not something we all expected to disappear immediately. gradually it is disappearing but there are other memories that brings it back. it's not something that will disappear in three months or four months, it is a shock to my system, to my subconscious mind. how is it outplaying itself now? i still wake up in the middle of the night, palpitations, sweating, wanting to run out of my bedroom because i think there is a fire. the fear is still there because there hasn't been closure. why are we suffering? i'm 70 years old, i shouldn't be going through all of this. how often do you think about what happened ?
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regularly, all the time. because i'm not comfortable. it was just after 1am when rukayet woke up to smoke. in an effort to leave the tower, she carried her grandson down the stairwell, where she fell and dropped him. scrambling through smoke, they eventually escaped. what are we having for dinner? pizza. pizza, ooh, you have pizza in the fridge? they have received counselling since the fire but they haven't been given an official diagnosis. rukayet is worried about the impact that the fire may have on her grandson who she says was diagnosed with adhd and autism as an infant. how is your grandson? well, my grandson, i do my best possible to make sure he doesn't actually reflect back to all these things happening by making sure he goes to clubs and goes out regularly — horse riding, diving, swimming, cinema.
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i have to occupy him because he is autistic and has adhd. i have to occupy his mind. the world doesn't know what we are going through. we are all trying to forget the past even though each time we drive past the motorway or whatever, we see the grenfell tower and he says, grandma, there's grenfell tower. it's not something that they can easily forget so we're working gradually towards them accepting it as it has come. and try to live with it. like other survivors, they still live in the shadows of what has happened, still struggling to rebuild their lives a year on. doctorjohn green is the clinical director at the grenfell tower nhs mental health response. he has been spearheading the effort to support
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survivors and residents struggling since the fire. we've got an outreach programme where we send people out to offer screening and support people in the community who have got problems. we are offering treatments, specific treatments for trauma. we are providing a lot of support in different settings. i imagine each case is unique just in general terms. how will the trauma of grenfell be playing out a year on? so one of the problems people will face is that the world seems a very dangerous place all of a sudden and they may become quite anxious about things that never bothered them before. and often people get nightmares, they have disturbed sleep, they may get flashbacks and feel that they are back viewing the scene or actually in the scene. but they may get memories that pop up unwanted of what actually happened and sometimes people start to feel a bit numb emotionally. i am in touch with survivors who admit to rejecting support. why do you think that is? there is an element to which people have to feel ready to accept
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what you're offering. for a lot of people early on, survivors were in hotels, they wanted to get their life right. they didn't think they were in the right place. last october you said that the number of people impacted by the fire in terms of mental health would likely exceed 11,000. we're in a situation now a year on and you've only treated under 1000 adults. is that good enough? remember the numbers include children in the 11,000. sure, but you've only treated under 1000 adults. i imagine more adults are suffering. yes. how do you explain that? there is an issue of when they are ready, ready to be screened, ready to accept screening. and early on we were reaching out to people and they were saying, "well, at this stage, we don't feel that now is the moment"
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and now we feel that that tide has very much changed so we are having a big push to get to as many people as we possibly can. it isn't just survivors and residents who are supported by doctorjohn green and his team, but also volunteers. since the fire, many people have volunteered time and resources to support the community in north kensington. one of them is pastor derek who runs a local church near g re nfell tower. we've been following his story over the past year. hey, hello. hi. good to see you. yes. good to see you again. i have not seen you for ages. how are you doing a year on since the fire? well, a year on we are still here because the survivors are still coming. on the morning of the fire, his church hall became a makeshift donation centre, offering clothing, food and other
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essentials to survivors. you have been serving survivors since the fire a year ago. how is your mental health? it's been pretty traumatic listening to the stories of the survivors and what they have gone through. i tried to rest when i can rest. it has been stressful. it hasn't been easy. how are volunteers doing in terms of their well—being and mental health? i've heard people having meltdowns, people having difficult times because of their involvement in seeing a lot of the survivors, going to a lot of different meetings, and you can't do that. you can't take on everything. and so i made sure for myself that as a church, ok, we are here. how is this community of north kensington a year on since the fire? there is still a lot of pain.
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a lot of pain, a lot of anger still. the cry of the community is really justice. a public inquiry into the cause of the fire started last month. part of it has been hearing tributes from the bereaved. there is still a concern that for some it might open up wounds. this concern is shared by drjohn green who is now forcing a rethink on how long it will take to support the community. it's all going to take much longer than we thought it was going to. the level of support needed, there's the inquiry, there's the inquest, there may be trials, there may be all sorts of things. this is a big issue that is going to go on so now we are looking to the future, what we need to supply going forward? what do we need to provide? and without knowing when the impact of the fire will fade, rukayet can only do her best to build a normal life
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for her grandson. as you can see, mrs mamudu is here. samia badani, founder of angels for grenfell, she lives near the tower, witnessed what happened, received counselling herself. this area has been set up for local children, at the back of the maxilla social club. that is why it is decorated in bright colours. good to see you, how are you? i am ok, i am getting on. you now live in temporary accommodation, half an hour or so away. your grandson comes back here every day for school, what effect is that having on him? he goes to act on —— acton where the
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temporary accommodation is but in september, they wish to ring them back to grenfell tower. that disturbs me a lot, gives me concern, because if we put these children through all these exposures, this building, where we were living, they have seen it burned down, and we bring them back there to study... just by the fact we have heard there was asbestosis that building, there was asbestosis that building, there was smoke coming out of the building, why do we still want to put the children there? and besides, most of the schools around the area don't want to take the children, why? because they are socially deprived. what you mean by that? socially degraded, that is why we are all in grenfell tower. do you
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really feel people have that attitude? my dear, it is the colour, the culture, the religion... division. they divide and rules system. i told theresa may yesterday, she has to try, she has come to see us, we appreciate her coming, but we do not appreciate division. we are all human beings, we have to be equally rated, and our shoulder and should not grow in such a condition. —— our children should not grow in such a condition. it is very annoying, we pay tax, i worked in this system for 48 years! where didl in this system for 48 years! where did i go wrong? you are nodding in agreement. i think the authorities look at us for who they think we are, but not for who we are, all we
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ask is to be treated as responsible taxpayers. we want a relationship at equal level, and we want a shift in power relations, because, our local neighbourhood is made of people with skills, look at what we did on the 14th of june skills, look at what we did on the 14th ofjune and we continue to deliver a public service by the public for the public. we need the authorities to sit around the table and treat us as adults. in terms of the kind of help you have been offered for counselling, has that been enough? you had four sessions and then you stop, you did not think it was helping, your grandson has had six, arranged by gps, is that enough? i don't know if it is enough but after grenfell, they had to change is medication, he was having nightmares, and so they are putting on another dose of medication. do
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you want him to have more counselling? if he doesn't settle their own. counselling? if he doesn't settle theirown. —— counselling? if he doesn't settle their own. —— if he doesn't settle their own. —— if he doesn't settle their own. —— if he doesn't settle theirown. —— their own. —— if he doesn't settle their own. —— if he doesn't settle down. we are going to end the programme today with looking at some of the absolutely poignant testimony that was given to the independent enquiry in the last couple of weeks by relatives of some of those who died. as you would expect, some of this is upsetting. choir sings: amazing grace you never know...
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..what you're made of until your broken. the events of that night took his life and all trace of his existence from this world. he never stood a chance of getting out. it should never have happened. # i once was lost # but now am found there's a gaping hole in our hearts that can never be filled — and it hurts, it really hurts. i had 34 years and they were beautiful, glorious, wonderful years, filled with happiness and love and laughter. # was blind but now i see... our sister—in—law was the anchor of her family. she had a real presence within the community
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and she was loved by many. she was our family, she was our sister and she will always be remembered for her strength, her kindness and her love for others. we miss her dearly. i have never dreamed or thought of going to the heaven but now i cry every day and every second because i wanted tojoin my dad. and i pray every day and even i request my friends to pray for me, that i die soon to meet my father. i am broken and now the only thing that can make me whole again is to fight for the truth in his name. i will never ever see my mum again. if you have your mother, please hug her. and feel the unconditional love.
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that has god bestowed in her. # through many dangers, toils and snares # i have already come... my mum and sister were poisoned by the smoke, they were burnt, i had to listen to them suffer, i had to listen to them die. i had to watch grenfell tower burn for a couple of days but particularly the top floors. we know that he would have given comfort to each of them before they took their last breath and departed this world. our moses, our hero. sadly, where there is nojustice, there will be no peace. i will never forget, i will never forgive.
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i have to live with my family ripped apart for the rest of my life. i don't see this as a tragedy. i see it as an atrocity. we are here because of failure. we are here because the system failed. the system was allowed to kill hisham and 71 other ones. # amazing grace, how sweet the sound # that saved a wretch like me # i once was lost # but now am found # was blind # but now i
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