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for urgent talks on yemen after the saudi—led coalition attacked the rebel held port of hodeidah, through which almost all vital aid supplies enter the country. the un envoy for yemen says he's continuing negotiations to try to keep the port open. the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, is in seoulfor talks about the process of denuclearisation of north korea. he's then expected to head to beijing for further discussions with chinese officials. he said the us expected to achieve major disarmament within the next 2.5 years. the british government is expected to put forward another compromise amendment on thursday to the main legislation on brexit. it will give more details on what kind of ‘meaningful vote‘ will be given to mps at the end of the negotiation process — a source of tension between pro and anti—eu politicians. now on bbc news, wednesday in parliament. hello and welcome to the programme.
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coming up: if you thought tuesday in parliament was dramatic, look what happened at prime minister's questions. might i asked... resumed her seat! resume your seat! you are not moving anything. the snp leader walks out. the labour leader stays in. thus the prime minister back before secretary and wanting more friction and more disruption to the economy. that's right back theresa may is defiant. the conservative party in government are going to deliver on the will of the british people. and, as mps debate brexit once more, a new metaphor emerges. the only people that hasn't happened yet is a minister hasn't got up at the despatch box and announced that no lifeboat is better than a bad lifeboat.
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as wednesday dawned, everyone was expecting quite a lively prime minister's questions. there was even a tiny baby cradled in the arms of her mother in the visitors' gallery. but no one could've predicted what was about to unfold. and the number of times the speaker would be shouting the word "order!" snp mps were angry because the previous day's brexit debate on crucial issues about whether and how power will be returned from brussels to holyrood was cut short to just 18 minutes. that was because the government had imposed a time limit. and labour had pressed virtually every issue possible to a vote. so the hours allotted to discussing the return of powers to the devolved assemblies had been eaten away. the snp leader wasn't having it. the powers that are enshrined under the scotland act in 1998 are being grabbed back by this house. it is a power grab and the mps from scotland were not given the courtesy of even debating it. it is a democratic outrage.
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the people of scotland will not be disrespected by this parliament. mr speaker, under the circumstances... given the disrespect... i have got no option but to ask that this house now sits in private. now what on earth does that mean? well, calling for the house to sit in private is a procedural device to disrupt business and register a protest. the public and the press galleries have to be cleared. there has to be a vote, and that would have meant prime minister's questions being suspended. the party business managers, the whips, scurried towards the speaker's chair as everyone tried to work out what was going on. john bercow consulted the commons clerks. we can vote now or it can be taken at the end. if the honourable gentleman wishes to indicate a desire to conduct such a vote now, so be it.
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i beg to move. but the speaker decided now was not the time. there can be a division and it will be at the end of this session, not now. that is the end of the matter. the prime minister... mr speaker, might i ask? resume your seat. no... you're not moving anything. resume your seat! the prime minister hovered unsure of what to do. the baby in the gallery clung to her mother as the snp stamped their feet and clapped approvingly. and scottish conservatives shouted at them. but ian blackford remained on his feet. and that's not allowed. the speaker called for order. in light of the persistent and repeated refusal of the right
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honourable gentleman to resume his seat when so instructed, i order the right honourable gentleman to withdraw immediately from the house for... order! for the remainder of this day's sitting. ian blackford stiffened his shoulders, turned and marched towards the exit. a moment later all the other snp mps followed him. the tories jeered as they walked past. the episode ended with a more light—hearted moment when several labour mps who'd been standing, decided to make use of the free seats. and the next mp to speak did find some humour in the situation. with the amount of people leaving, it feels like one of my after dinner speeches. later the snp leader ian blackford said his party would use parliamentary procedures "to best effect" to protest against what he said was devolution being "ripped up" as powers are repatriated from brussels. well, that wasn't all that happened at prime minister's questions. the session had begun on a sombre note. thursday marks the first anniversary of the horrific fire at grenfell tower in london.
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theresa may updated mps on the number of residents who'd been found a new home. 203 households were in need of a new home. every household has received an offer of temporary or permanent accommodation. 183 have accepted an offer of a permanent home. but i want to say it isn'tjust about the buildings. it is notjust about the bricks and mortar of a home. people who suffered that night are having to rebuild their lives. many of them lost somebody, members of the families with whom they have been living and making a home for years. they lost all of their possessions. they lost their mementos. they lost anything that reminds them of the person they love. when they moved into their new home, they will be restarting their lives. and i wanted to pay tribute to all of the victims of the grenfell tower fire
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and the strength and dignity they have shown. mr speaker, i also pay tribute to the families for all they have been through and all the fortitude. but sadly, the reality is that some of them have still don't have a permanent home to move into. it is very important for the mental well— being of everybody that they have somewhere they can call home and they know it is their home. after that rather muted exchange, normal service was resumed asjeremy corbyn moved on to brexit. when the prime minister met president donald trump last week, did she do it before secretary suggested she ask him to take over the brexit negotiations? laughter. cheering the speaker interrupted to call for order. on the brexit negotiations,
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i remind the honourable gentleman that before december, labour cast out whether we would get a joint report agreed and we did. before march he cast out if would we get an implementation period and we did. he may have to face the fact there may now be a meltdown. mr speaker, those aren't actually my words. but those of the foreign secretary. even as his fellow cabinet ministers are preparing people for the negotiations which he clearly thinks things are going to end in disaster. last week, he also took aim at the treasury sitting next to him, calling them the heart of remain! he criticised them saying what they don't want is friction at the borders. what they don't want... they don't want any disruption to the economy. so does the prime minister back the foreign secretary in wanting more friction and more disruption to the economy? what we see is a labour party that
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said it wants to do trade deals and wants to be in a customs union that will stop that. they said they wanted to control our borders and now want free movement. they said they would respect the referendum. and now they won't roll out a second referendum. and that is the difference between us. the conservative party and government are going to deliver on the will of the british people! mr speaker, in the parallel universe inhabited by the foreign secretary, you are apparently not respecting the referendum results unless you want friction at the borders and disruption of the economy. mr speaker, the cabinet is divided and they are briefing against each other. even whispering during prime minister question‘s time. and the prime minister has been left with no white paper on which to negotiate.
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last week, the transition period was delayed by a year in the space of 2a hours. and yesterday, a deal with her backbenchers was reneged on within hours. it is the labour party in opposition that is trying to frustrate brexit. it is the labour party trying to stop us getting a deal for the british people! this government will deliver on brexit and deliver on a brexit for jobs, this government will deliver on brexit for goods and for britain. but one senior brexiteer wanted to return to the question of pa rliament‘s meaningful vote on leaving the eu. whilst it is essential that this households the government to account, and has meaningful votes on the many things, does is my right honourable friend agree that it is absolutely essential that the separation of powers is observed and that at any compromise amendment it is clear that the job of the government and the job of parliament is different? can i say to my honourable friend that i am happy to be clear about this situation. of course what we have seen is concern raised about the role of parliament in relation to the brexit process. what i agreed to yesterday is that as the bill goes back to the lords, we would have further discussions
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with colleagues over those concerns. and we have agreed this morning with the brexit secretary that we will bring forward an amendment in the lords. pmqs finally finished at a few seconds shy of one o'clock, a truly marathon session. and quiet to the very end was the baby in the gallery. who seemed oblivious even when she got a round of applause from mps. and it turned out she's the daughter of the labour mp clive lewis. you may remember that on tuesday, the government had problems with its flagship brexit legislation — the eu withdrawal bill. well, on wednesday it was labour's turn to face discontent. five mps appointed byjeremy corbyn resigned late in the evening
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over their party's brexit policy. the government didn't have an easy day either. once again, ministers made a concession to their backbenchers to see off a possible rebellion. mps were debating amendments to the bill dealing with the uk's future trading arrangements with the eu. neither option is workable. neither is acceptable to the eu, but neither will get majority support across this house. the foreign secretary called customs partnership crazy. the business secretary says the maximum facilitation nacho cost thousands ofjobs in manufacturing. is it not absolutely essential that the voice, a loud voice comes from this house so that we want the least damaging brexit possible in the customs union and the single market? one of the amendments being debated called for the government
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to negotiate an option of staying in the european economic area or eea, which covers eu nations and three other countries. labour had asked its mps not to vote on that proposal, but some felt strongly the eea was not the way forward. the eea and norway, liechtenstein—iceland model does not allow us to have control over how freedom of movement will change in the future. it ties us to no say, and that is what norway, liechtenstein and iceland have signed up to, no control over freedom of movement. liechtenstein has of course been able to negotiate immigration quota system mr speaker, but it is a country of only 37,000 people. it's probably less than half the size of most of our constituencies. i do not see in all reality the exemption, a permanent exemption on free movement being afforded to a country of the size of the united kingdom, and that is why the intervention by the honourable lady, the member for don valley was an important one in the context of this debate. and for those reasons, that is why we cannot accept this
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amendment or indeed the original lords amendment on the eea. the honourable gentleman, the member for north perthshire is back! shall we give way? during robert buckland's speech, an snp mp returned to the chamber, having walked out when his party's leader left the commons at pmqs. the honourable gentleman, the member for north perthshire is back! shall we give way? go on! i have to say, i've never been given quite a greeting for an intervention, but i'm grateful to the minister. but i will only confirm this is all about immigration. immigration is the cold beating heart of brexit. we want to achieve is the openness and willingness to trade that embodies the spirit of what is to be british, and that includes immigration that we can truly control in a way the british people will accept. it seems to me that we decided
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to disembark from a liner in the middle of the ocean as a country, and we've got two basic choices. we canjump into the sea, and that is what the hard no deal brexit would mean. or we could climb down into a lifeboat and decide where it is that we are going to go. now what is the cabinet doing at the moment? well, they've spent two years arguing, first of all about how to create a deep and special lifeboat. they are trying to discuss whether they can come up with a lifeboat and not breach its red lines. they broke up into working groups, the probably discussing precisely the colour and shape of a lifeboat.
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a minister has not gotten up at the despatch box and announced that no lifeboat is better than the bad lifeboat. the government had put forward a compromise amendment on the issue of future customs arrangements, the rules on trade tariffs between eu countries. it'd agreed a form of words to placate potential rebels. but one veteran mp wasn't persuaded. the argument is pathetic. it is utterly ridiculous. we could save money by saving the paper printing this and putting it in. it probably explains why it has been tabled by an extraordinary wide number of conservative mps. i look at this, secretary of state, my honourable friend from loughborough, my honourable friend from somerset and so on. i know all these people and i don't believe they agree on anything
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that's got anything to do with the european union. i have to say, mr speaker, i do not remember any argument over parliament undertaking those treaties from the people who today pass that parliament should dictate to the government the course of action in international negotiations. after the debate, there was a series of votes. and that's not the last we'll see of the brexit bill. next week, it goes back along the corridor to the house of lords where peers will take another look at it. donald trump has declared that north korea is no longer a nuclear threat following his summit with kim jong—un. at their meeting in singapore, they signed a declaration saying the us and north korea would work
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towards "new relations". but human rights campaigners say president trump failed to address north korean‘s appalling treatment of its own citizens, concerns echoed in the house of lords. we hope this marks the beginning of a substantive process leading to concrete actions from north korea towards complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization. we continue to have grave concerns about human rights in north korea and expect more discussions and actions to follow. while inevitably remembering broken promises on denuclearization made in 1994 and 2007, is it right is a moment to give a cautious welcome to the singapore summit and to work with the united states, china, japan and vibrant democracy in south korea to turn homes into substance. immediately after the summit, president trump at a press conference where he said that he did raise the issue of human rights with the north korean leader. in fact, he said at the press conference, "i want significant improvement, i want to start that
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process although you cannot finish that process for a while, but you cannot go back." can the noble lords and minister tell us what you think president trump meant by that statement? and what sort of process can we actually see in terms of actually delivering change for the people of north korea who suffered so horrendously? the noble lord's quite right, the suffering of the dprk is of the utmost importance and must ever forget. as the noble lord said, yes, president trump did mention that human rights issues including the treatment of christians were discussed and would be discussed further. it is very important that these discussions continue. will her majesty's government please ensure that the president of the us
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is aware that this regime is the same as it has been for many decades, the dictator kim jong—un is the same man that had his half—brother murdered not two years ago in an airport in malaysia, and indeed has had his uncle as cute at virtually every came to power. human rights abuses remain and we have that we must be incredibly cautious in this. senior ministers have admitted the disclosure of evidence to the defence in criminal cases has be the crown prosecution service — the cps — has looked at more than 3500 cases in england and wales after the collapse of a number of trials. it found vital evidence had been withheld in 47 cases of rape and sexual assault. but giving evidence to mp5, the ministers said culture and practise were the key problems not resources. he said there was a plan to improve training and to ensure disclosure at an early stage. what about cuts to police numbers? there is a real problem
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in disclosure, haven't it? a serious problem for a very long time. yes, is described as a blight on the system. yes, and complete mess. not enough importance has been attached to this in the past. it's been seen in a language to me as being bureaucratic and relevant fundamental to what the defines good investigative work enough to change. he said there was a plan to improve training and to ensure disclosure at an early stage. i'm sure this planworks, but in the event that it wasn't, who do we hold accountable for it? it's of the chief constable, it's the college? the prime issue, i think i come from the college who plays an incredibly important role in terms of the training and guidance, not at all. because i signal to the top the importance of this issue and because i think it is quite fundamental to the criminal justice system, so as a home office minister has responsibility in this where we can and to hold to account where we must, but in terms of what we're given
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talking about before about driving change into the ground, addressing this cultural attitudinal problem, in practical human terms, this is the process that we have got to lead to convinces a change is happening. what about cuts to police numbers? how is that impacted on the proper investigations? the minister pointed to the evidence given to the mps by chief constable nick ephgrave. use of the primary issue here is not resources, problems or a disclosure predate austerity. so he was very clear and on record in front saying that we are very clear the primary issue here is attitudinal and cultural. that's the priority.
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next to be questioned was the government's chief law officer. we are making progress, i agree with nick on this. on international disclosure improvement plan is a good thing, and i think that there is a grasp of the issue among senior police officers and the leadership of the cps that perhaps has not been there before, should've been there before but i think undoubtedly is there now. why are people not doing theirjobs properly? is it a lack of resource? is it ignorance? is it willful desire to see innocent in prison? what is apparent is the disclosure has been seen as an afterthought and irritation and an extra bit of the process you have to do at the end. and when you run out of time because you are busy, you do not do in the way it should be done. that required a cultural change and early disclosure. i do not think it is the case that we are in the mess we're in on disclosure because the cps and the staff who lack funds. i do think that is the way to look at it.
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i think that is a term you've heard. but it was foolish to deny that if we're going to do this in a smarter way in the future, some investment is required to do so. now it's also right that we have made an investment, you will make savings in the future on those cases that start ending grind to a halt to the next day because disclosure has got wrong. danny kaye was wrongly imprisoned for four years, william allen wrongly imprisoned, isaac, 0liver, who has responsibility for that? and what is your message to those individuals who are either charged or indeed incarcerated when they ought not to have been? the message to them is that should not have happened. at the time, i was as clear as i could be that these were appalling failures in the exercise of their responsibilities by both investigators and prosecutors, for which i take my share of responsibility. and the best thing we can all now do is to make sure that the system as i say minimise mistakes at the beginning, has the safety nets at the end because we set some
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things will get through even though we are trying desperately hard not to, but there can never be an acceptable reason for not disclosing material which will enable a fair trial to take place. the attorney general. finally, just returning to the dramatic walk—out by snp leader ian blackford at prime minister's questions. 0ne labour veteran wanted a little more clarity as to the exact nature of his punishment. as a bit of an expert on being thrown out... laughter. can ijust explain to you, mr speaker, that there are various ways of throwing people out? one is obviously everybody can follow. it's never happened in my case. secondly, it is possible for somebody sent by the speaker's office to the room upstairs which i inhabited, and he said to me, "on reflection,
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the speaker said you can stay." that's one difference. and the other is sometimes you are barred from the house, but not from the building. so which was it? the speaker confirmed ian blackford had been excluded from the whole building. in fact, later he was spotted holed up in pret a manger! and that's all we've got time for, so from me, mandy baker, goodbye. hello once again.
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i know it's the second week injune, but i have to start this particular show by reminding you we've got a named storm on our hands, and there's an amber warning from the met office for gusts of wind on thursday morning which could, in extremis, get up to around 60mph if not 70 mph. where's all that coming from? this great lump of cloud hurtling towards us and deepening all the while and as it does so, quite a vigorous area of low pressure for the time of year. it's got into the wrong place in the atmosphere and it's been deepening all the while in recent hours. such that as we get on through the day, we will find a real squeeze in those isobars initially working its way through northern ireland, but then on through exposed parts of scotland and through the north of england as well. but, with all the cloud and the wind around, it won't be a cold start to the new day on thursday, but it will certainly be a wet one for some and certainly a very windy one as well. i'll show you now the strength of the gusts, and there you are, in the central belt of scotland, some of those gusts could be up at around 60mph, as i
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say, if not 70 mph. gales and severe gales quite widely across northern britain. travel disruption is distinctly possible, bbc local radio will be all over that, i assure you. even further south, it will be a noticeably windy day after a fairly quiet spell of weather. even here, as the weather front tumbles its way ever further to the south and east, we'll find a little bit of rain. there's no doubt about it the bulk of rain will be found in scotland but i think rain becomes less and less of a problem and slowly, slowly, oh so slowly, especially in the northern half of britain, does the strength of the wind. with the sun coming out in the afternoon for many of us, we'll push the temperatures into the low 20s at the very best. friday thankfully a quieter day across the british isles, but notice the prospect of rain in the northern ireland and the possibility of downpours in dumfries and galloway, ayrshire and the western end of the central belt. what news of the weekend? none too promising to start with. look at this, another little bit
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of area of low pressure bringing cloud, wind and rain towards particularly initially the western side of the british isles, maybe spreading north and east through time as we get on through saturday. perhaps the best of the sunshine up into the north—eastern corner of scotland. not a complete write—off, i assure you, because sunday looks a drier and finer day as we finish off the weekend. take care. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is duncan golestani. our top stories: saudi—led forces attack the main rebel—held port in yemen — threatening vital aid supplies for millions. the american secretary of state is in seoul — saying there's a lot of work left to do on the deal with north korea. pledges to rival camps and a walk—out
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