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hello. it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. exclusive: why are child prisoners being held in solitary confinement in uk jails? he was getting out for half an hour a day, a 15 minute shower and a 15 minute own goal and nothing to stimulate you and he has adhd so he needs that kind of stimulation. no human contact, nothing. the government denies it happens — we've spoken to people who say it does. our exclusive film at 9:15. plus, as the world health organisation lists gaming addiction as a mental health condition for the first time, we scan the brains of 13—year—old triplets to see what happens when they're playing the wildly popular video game fortnite. we'll bring you the results. after the home office dramatically returned the cannabis oil used to treat 12—year—old billy caldwell‘s epilepsy, there are calls for it to be legalised for medical purposes. we will talk to another mum who says the oil is helping her three—year—old son, who also has seizures.
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and a conservative mp who's on the newly—formed parliamentary group on medical cannabis under prescription. your views are welcome. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. also, as theresa may urges nhs chiefs to come up with a plan to ensure that "every penny" of a £20 billion funding boost in england is "well spent", we talk to clinicians about what they think should be done, and one of her own party who is not convinced about her funding claims. plus, are your kids addicted to gaming? because the who now lists it as a mental helath condition. it means your child could be eligible for treatment on the nhs. tell us about your child ren‘sgaming
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habit and how difficult you might find it to be strict. send us an e—mail. and you can message us on twitter. gaming addiction has for the first time been officially recognised as a mental health condition by the world health organisation. it has included "gaming disorder" in the latest edition of its international classification of diseases. the gaming industry disputes the evidence behind the decision, describing it as inconclusive. the royal college of psychiatrists says while there is no epidemic, for a small number, it can become a problem when online friendships become stronger than real ones. that's a crucial moment when the gamer begins to, in a way, overvalue the online activity. and i would say that soon after, families begin to notice an absence and an emotional disconnect with the rest of the activities that once were so enjoyable. and at10:15...
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we've got a mum and her 13 —year—old triplets in the building now — she says the game fortnite has ‘ruined her life‘ because two of the boys are addicted to it — so we've hooked all three brothers up to a brain monitor while they play to have a look and see what happens in their brains. joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. theresa may is to give more details today on her promised £20 billion cash boost for the nhs in england, as she comes under increasing pressure to explain where the money will come from. critics — including some in her own party — have disputed her claim that some of the money will come from a so—called brexit dividend. here's our health and science correspondent, james gallagher. the nhs has been part of british life for nearly 70 years, but it is feeling the pressure. patients are waiting longer to be seen in a&e, or to get cancer treatment. but now more money has been found.
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an extra £20 billion a year by the financial year starting in 2023. so where is that cash coming from? that will be through the brexit dividend, the fact that we are no longer sending vast amounts of money every year to the eu once we leave the eu, and we as a country will be contributing a bit more. those last few words could affect your paycheque. the idea that there is a brexit dividend is pure fiction. as a pure matter of arithmetic, there will be no extra money in four years' time because of the financial arrangement we've come to with the european union. labour says it would put even more money into the nhs, while the shadow chancellor, john mcdonnell, said the government was relying on a magic money forest. patients are not going to see their care radically improved overnight. some critics are even arguing this financial boost is still not enough. the prime minister wants the nhs in england to produce a new ten—year plan, which will include cutting waste
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and boosting mental health services. the announcement will also mean more money for the devolved governments in scotland, wales and northern ireland. the us first lady, melania trump, has spoken out against the policy of separating parents and children who illegally enter the united states from mexico. there have been nearly 2,000 family separations in the last six weeks under president trump's "zero tolerance" policy, although he blames a law created under the democrats. his wife, melania, said the country must "govern with heart". from washington, chris buckler reports. this border is a gateway into the united states and some families believe a new life. but when they cross over from mexico into america, they are now, as a matter of routine, being split apart. every adult without papers is being detained and prosecuted, put in prison while their children are being taken away to detention
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centres — like this one in a converted supermarket in texas. among the families are people trying to escape poverty and violence. in the past, many would be freed while they waited for a court to hear their case. but president trump has got rid of what was known as catch and release and replaced it with a zero tolerance policy. that means everybody is being held in custody and prosecuted, to try to tackle the rising numbers of undocumented families attempting to enter america. there are a growing number of protests at how families are being treated. president trump insists he's in favour of immigration reform, but he says new laws need to be tough and the white house wants money for that long talked about wall with mexico. i certainly don't want anybody to use these kids as leverage. i saw a headline that screamed as much
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and i objected to that very forcefully. but there also appears to be unease in the white house. a spokeswoman for the first lady, melania trump, says she hates to see children separated from their families and pointedly her statement goes on to say that she believes america needs not just to be a country that follows all laws, but also a country that governs with heart. mrs trump called for democrats and republicans to work together on immigration reform. voices against the current policy appear to be growing louder, as america's border with mexico divides this country again. the health and social care secretary, jeremy hunt, has promised the government will review the law over the medical use of cannabis "as quickly as it can". yesterday, the home office granted hospital doctors a special temporary licence to treat billy caldwell — a 12—year—old severely epileptic boy — with cannabis oil.
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an earthquake in the western japanese city of osaka has killed three people and injured scores of others. one of those who died was a nine—year—old girl who was trapped under a collapsed wall. the magnitude 6.1 quake struck during the morning rush hour and left tens of thousands of homes without power. many people were stranded on commuter trains and high—speed services were suspended. the energy regulator is warning gas and electricity suppliers that they are forcing too many people to pay in advance. ofgem says the number of households compelled to have prepaid meters increased by seven per cent last year. the regulator says suppliers should help struggling customers repay their debts, rather than force them to install pre—payment meters. cash is no longer king — for the first time, debit card payments have taken over as the main way we pay. last year, there were 100 million more transactions on card than with physical money. the banking industry say the popularity of contactless, online shopping and smartphones is driving the growth. one person has been killed and three others injured
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after a bus hit concertgoers in the netherlands. the incident happened at the pink pop festival in limburg province in the south of the country. police say the vehicle drove away from the scene. the duchess of sussex's father says he was sad to have missed the marriage of his daughter to prince harry. thomas markle watched the wedding from california, where he was recovering from heart surgery. he told itv‘s good morning britain that his daughter cried when he told her he would not be attending the wedding, but said he was grateful to prince charles for stepping in to walk her down the aisle. i can't think of a better replacement than someone like prince charles, you know. he looked very handsome and my daughter looked beautiful with him. i wasjealous, i wish i'd been there, i wish it'd been me, but thank god he was there and i thank him for that. a new bust of the footballer cristiano ronaldo has been unveiled at the airport
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on madeira — the island of his birth. the new version replaces the original, which gained worldwide attention when it was installed last year. the new bust appears to present a greater likeness, but it's not to everyone‘s taste. a petition has been launched to put the heavily mocked one back in place. iam not i am not sure which is which! towers which you prefer. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9:30. i may have to make you choose. in a minute, we have an exclusive report into how children are being held in solitary confinement in uk jails. the government says it doesn't happen — but we've spoken to ex—inmates and medical professionals who say it does. thank you for your tweets about the gaming addiction and the who listing it as gaming addiction and the who listing itasa gaming addiction and the who listing it as a mental health condition for
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the first time. paul kelly says fortnite is strange, every child i teach at school is obsessed with it. they can't hold a conversation about anything else. it is down to parents to cut down on gaming whatever the consequences. julia says, constant confrontations over time spent on these games with my three children. my these games with my three children. my boys are the worst. i take with controls and i have to hide them. how you deal with it, how you restrict the time, how you try to restrict the time, how you try to restrict the time when it comes to playing video games, do let's know this morning and we would love to. we will talk more about it at a quarter past ten. let's get some sport with hugh woozencroft, and it's all about england today? yes, good morning. happy england day — the wait is finally over for both the fans and the players as england get their chance to show the world cup what sort of talent they possess having watched on for the opening four days. they face tunisia later,
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with lots of hopes that a young, fresh—faced squad can banish the disappointment of 2014 and 2016. we shall see. manager gareth southgate and his side have already made the big journey — over a thousand miles — from their base in repina down to volgograd. and although they didn't get a chance to train at the rather modest volvograd arena, both southgate and captain harry kane had a wander before speaking to the media. we wa nt we want to create chances and score goals. the runners we got in behind, we did well and that is important. that will definitely help me get some space and hopefully get some chances as well. he could be a good bet for the golden boot winner. the sense of anticipation is growing — a reminder you can watch the match on bbc one from 7 o'clock this evening or listen or radio 5live.
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i can't wait. and such a brilliant world cup so far! plenty to mull over. yesterday, a rather surprising set of results. so far, none of the favourites have set down a marker to say they'll be the side to beat at this year's world cup. you can include on that the defending champions, germany. their manager, joachim loew, says they need to get back to playing to their strengths after mexico managed a 1—0 win which really could have been more. it's the first time a german team has failed to win their world cup opener since 1982. and it's even longer for brazil. not since 1978 have they failed to win their first game at a world cup. they failed to build on phillippe coutinho's stunner, conceding a pretty soft equaliser. but as i say, it seems to have been a pretty tentative first few days with teams feeling their way into the tournament. plenty going on away from the world cup too? it was still a big weekend in the
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sporting arena. well, there was a golf major on over the weekend — the us open at shinnecock hills — and it was very nearly won by a briton is the shape of tommy fleetwood. he became just the sixth player to shoot a 63 at the us open, but missed out by a single shot to the america brooks koepka, who successfully defended the title he won last year. there was tennis too, withjohanna konta beaten in the final of the nottingham open. she lost her temper in the defeat to ashleigh barty when she thought a line call should have gone her way, and she made her frustrations very clearto the umpire, paula vieira souza, with the incident clearly affecting her. take a listen. this is a joke! it's an absolute joke! you changed quarters on matches.
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no, you listen to me. we are out here busting, literally busting our chops like no other, and you are there and you are making decisions that affect our lives — do you understand that? do you fully understand that? very disappointing losing in the final but still a good week as she warms up final but still a good week as she warms up for wimbledon. thank you very much. good morning. welcome to the programme. why are child prisoners being held in solitary confinement in uk jails? the united nations defines solitary confinement as — "being held for 22 hours or more, in a cell, without meaningful human contact. " the government denies it happens — but we've been told children are regularly being held in solitary confinement in british prisons. there are about 900 under—18s serving jail sentences at any one time in england and wales, and up to a third of them can expect
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to spend some time in isolation. the ministry ofjustice says child prisoners can be segregated if they pose a risk to themselves and others, but that they're never held in solitary confinement. andy smythe has this exclusive report. you expect the state to look after your child, not to mentally and physically torture them, because that's what's going on. 23—and—a—half—hour lock away, it was. he was getting out for half an hour a day — 15 minute shower, 15 minute phone call. solitary confinement for child prisoners is banned in many countries. it's not supposed to happen here. yet we've been told children in uk prisons are regularly placed in solitary — alone almost 2a hours a day, held in their cells. solitary confinement is always, like, dirty and dark and gloomy. it was rough, man. we've heard it could be happening to up to a third of children in prison. there is increased risk of self harm and suicide related behaviour, and this increased risk that when they do come out, then there'll
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be more violent behaviour. so actually it's bad for them, and it's bad for the people around them. only, according to the government, it doesn't even happen. it's cruel, it's inhumane. we don't treat animals like that yet we get away with treating children like this. this was the carnival in the august just before he was convicted. and so the most recent photos you have pretty much, when he was 13? before he went away, yeah. when he was 13. that's it. there's nothing else. old baby photos we've got of when he was a baby, obviously, growing up. i wish he could get...
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i wish we could go back in time... do you? but then, as they say. my son was 1a when he was convicted of murder through a local joint enterprise, so basically he was there. he didn't commit the murder but he got a life sentence all the same. 12 years. he is called keyfer. the murder in a launderette in liverpool was notorious. a 19—year—old boy stabbed in a gang—related killing. they threw the book at the young boys who were there that night. but this isn't about the crime — it is about what happened after keyfer was convicted. he is in a tiny cell. he doesn't get out for more than one hour a day. sometimes he doesn't get out at all, sometimes it is half an hour a day. it's basically solitary confinement.
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to sit in a room with nothing at all, nothing to stimulate you, and bear in mind he has adhd, so he needs that type of stimulation. no human contact, nothing. since he was convicted, aged 1a, he has been in five young offender institutions, effectively prisons. and his mum says says he has experienced conditions similar to solitary confinement in each. it doesn't have to necessarily be for violence or unruly behaviour. it can be intel, they call it. intelligence. so they will use that and say, we've have intelligence that you have done something. the ministry ofjustice says isolation is officially used not for punishment but to keep young offenders safe. on one occasion keyfer‘s mum said he couldn't get the attention of the prison officers. he repeatedly pressed his bell, and eventually he set off a fire alarm in frustration. the guards responded by turning on high—power water hoses, with him still in the cell. how scary is
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that? as a child, to be put through that? as a child, to be put through that type of torture. i'm sorry... these are grown men. i'd be scared of a grown man came to my door and did that, yet you are doing this to children. old was he when that happened?” think he was 15, 16. —— old was he when that happened?” think he was 15, 16. -- how old was he when that happened? to comment is keyfer‘s sorry? the league for penal reform gives free advice to children who ring up from inside prisons. they use different terminology but it means the same thing. they will say i am on bangkok, en bloc, in seg, so there are many different names “— seg, so there are many different names —— they will see that they are on bang—up. it all admits to being keptin on bang—up. it all admits to being kept ina on bang—up. it all admits to being
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kept in a room, alone, for 22 hours 01’ more a kept in a room, alone, for 22 hours or more a day. that 22 hours is important. the international definition of solitary confinement is being held for 22 hours or more a day without meaningful human contact. but nobody knows how many children this is happening too. what ido children this is happening too. what i do know is over the last 12 months we have received at least for the telephone calls from or on behalf of children who are describing conditions of isolation that sound like they are being kept in their cells for 22 hours a day, or more. of the 900 children in prison at any one time in england and wales, up to one time in england and wales, up to one side can expect to spend some time in isolation, and government data has revealed the amount of time children spend in segregation blocks. since 2013 children have spent almost 16,000 hours in segregation. that doesn't necessarily mean they are in
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solitary confinement so it doesn't tell the whole story? we don't. but we have been told it's commonplace. michael— not his real name — was in prison for a drugs offence. he said he was first put in solitary confinement at the age of 16.” he was first put in solitary confinement at the age of 16. i went into a fight and that led me being put into the block, as they call it, 01’ put into the block, as they call it, or the bag. i only spent two days there but it was, like, two long days. there were people screaming and shouting, you can't sleep, —— or seg. there are a lot of factors, man. ifeel like seg. there are a lot of factors, man. i feel like you seg. there are a lot of factors, man. ifeel like you have seg. there are a lot of factors, man. i feel like you have to say you area man. i feel like you have to say you are a child, not an adult to compare these things, so it is difficult. i didn't tell them, because i felt like it worried them even more, my pa rents. like it worried them even more, my parents. one thing they say, when you go onto the block and you are
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isolated, it is because you are a risk to yourself and others. is that true, or will they do it to punish? punish, the strictly punished. maybe in some cases people need to be away from other people, but the majority of the time it is like i was put in the seg, for something like using a phone. how will that affect anyone else? it is for punishment. hello, baby. are you 0k? hello, baby. are you ok? good, good. did you? that's good. you are out of there on monday, aren't you? of the block? her son keyfer is now a team, and now in an adult prison. fingers crossed. i love you, baby. and now in an adult prison. fingers crossed. ilove you, baby. love and now in an adult prison. fingers
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crossed. i love you, baby. love you. how is he? he is good. he is in good spirits, he sounded good. but as a child he was in feltham young offenders institution. last year the prison was found to have breached human rights of 116—year—old boy held in solitary confinement. sheena says keyfer had bad experiences there. that is where he was in solitary for months and months on end,| solitary for months and months on end, ithink solitary for months and months on end, i think in excess of eight months. it is hell on earth for these boys. i remember leaving there and one of the boys was held on to the railings. does that seem, it is like something out of a film. we look back and you think, "that someone's child." it isjust heartbreaking. the powers that be need to go in, see cds prisons. levante in the life, you spend 24 hours in one of themselves —— see these prisons. and see what way you come out. that is the concern for
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the royal college of psychiatristss, which want to see the practice banned altogether. this doctor has worked in children's prisons. when young people are put behind their cell doors for too long a period of time without therapeutic or educational or caring contact, there is increased risk of self harm and suicide related behaviour. and there is increased risk that when they do come out, they will be more violent. actually it is bad for them and actually it is bad for the people around them. it is very hard as a child to mentally prepare yourself to be confined for, like, 23 hours, sometimes 23 and a half hours a day. just a mattress and a sink. it is me ntally just a mattress and a sink. it is mentally challenging. you're not rehabilitating them, you're not showing positive behaviour. violence breeds violence in my eyes. they are still learning of us as the adults. we should be showing them the way.
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so, juliet slot, you are creating monsters. the ministry ofjustice doesn't recognise the term solitary confinement for children —— doesn't recognise the term solitary confinement for children -- so,, you are creating monsters. the artefact to in solitary confinement. when the government says it doesn't happen, are they being disingenuous? i think they are hiding behind definitions and names. and there's another issue. young offender institutions have strict rules, set out by government. those rules, set out by government. those rules require that children have 15 hours a week of education. certainly children in segregation block very rarely get access to that level of education, in my experience. therefore either government breaking their own rules? yes. the ministry
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ofjustice told us segregation is a last resort, when prisoners are a risk to themselves or others. that there is no such thing as solitary confinement for children, and that all child prisoners get their entitlement to education, exercise and legal and family visits. yes, they are children, but in many cases they have committed really serious crimes. why should we care? it's about not brutalising people further. it's about going back to the principles of the criminal justice system which is about preventing crime in the future. michael is a better place now. you have come quite a long way, you know. you left prison, you have a job, you've completely transformed your life. how have you managed to do that despite what you've been through? i have a strong support
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system, so my family is there. i have a girlfriend. i go to church a lot as well. all these factors, they help me and they keep me grounded. keyfer, he is still on the block. i'm angry and i'm upset because i know it is a long, long road for change. and it is a road that my boy would see. it is going to be too little, too late for —— he will not see. but if this can help someone else's child, it needs to be spoken about, it needs to be out there. yes, some of them might have committed crimes, some of them might be horrendous crimes, and get that. but we can't play god and treat them the way we are treating them. andy smythe with that exclusive report. tell us what you think of what you've just seen. obviously we invited the government onto the programme this morning for an interview, but they declined.
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we have a written statement from the ministry ofjustice "segregation can be an important last resort for limited periods when young people are putting themselves or others at risk. "but they are not held in solitary confinement and continue to have access to education and religious services, outdoor exercise and entitlements to social and legal visits." let reducer messages. this is from someone let reducer messages. this is from someone who doesn't wish to leave their name. "i served two and a half year sentence in feltham young offenders institution when i was 15. six months of that was served on a unit called the waite unit, or when dedicated to solitary confinement," says this viewer." there were no cameras on the wing and inmates were strictly forbidden for talking to each other. 50 minutes per shower or talking to the exercise per day, top man walking in a circle. no personal phone calls and no contraband,
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juice, tea, radio, writing pads. it is very real. i personally experienced months of solitary confinement and can further confirm the estimated sharing the same experience as a large number of inmates who suffered the same abuse as the leader of power whilst serving custodial services. that was in the 1990s." but there is this e—mailfrom a in the 1990s." but there is this e—mail from a police sergeant. "believe me, the violence posed by these underratings is incredible. they may be classed as children but can pose the same danger and inflict the same injuries as any man." paul says this. those caught in some cases these prisoners have taken away the right to live off their victims, yet we are speaking about their human rights. this is a prison. it should be tough, horrible even, and be ajoke, as it prison. it should be tough, horrible even, and be a joke, as it is seen now." thank for those. keep them coming in. in the next hour we'll be discussing this issue with the labour mp seema malhotra, whose constituency feltham in west london covers
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one of the most notorious young offenders institutions. still to come... 12—year—old billy caldwell, as you know, has had the cannabis oil used to treat his epilepsy returned, after the home office rowed back on its decision to confiscate it. we'll hear from another mother who says her son benefits from the drug, and a conservative mp calling for medicinal cannabis to be legalised. what is your view? and the prime minister promises a £20 billion cash boost for the nhs in england. we'll bring you the details, and look at where this money might come from. time for the latest news. gaming addiction has for the first time been officially recognised as a mental health condition by the world health organisation. it has included "gaming disorder" in the latest edition of its international classification of diseases. the gaming industry disputes the evidence behind the decision, describing it as ‘inconclusive'. the bbc‘s victoria derbyshire programme has been told that children are regularly being held
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in solitary confinement in british prisons. there are about 900 under—18s serving jail sentences at any one time in england and wales. up to a third of them can expect to spend some time in isolation. the government says child prisoners can be segregated if they pose a risk to themselves and others, but denies the use of solitary confinement. the health and social care secretary, jeremy hunt, has confirmed that a "higher burden of taxation" will be one of the ways in which money is raised for the increased funding promised to the nhs in england. yesterday, theresa may pledged an extra £20 billion a year by 2023. in a speech later, the prime minister will ask nhs bosses to draw up a ten—year plan to ensure ‘every penny‘ is well spent. the us first lady, melania trump, has spoken out on the policy of separating parents and children illegally entering the country from mexico. there's been nearly 2,000 family separations
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in the last six weeks under president trump's "zero tolerance" policy, although he blames an un—named law created under the democrats. his wife, melania, said the country must "follow all laws, but also govern with heart". that's a summary of the latest bbc news. sport now with hugh. hello again. england's players are in volgograd, ahead of their first world cup match with tunisia later. manager gareth southgate says his players will have learned from their past mistakes, but won't be burdened with it. the defending world champions, germany, need to get back to playing to their strengths — according to their manager. they were beaten 1—0 by mexico, while brazil were held to a draw by switzerland. britain's tommy fleetwood just missed out on winning his first major title at golf‘s us open. he equalled the course record in his final round, but finished one shot behind american brooks koepka. and british number onejohanna konta lost in the final of
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the nottingham open for the second year in a row, as well as losing her temper in the deciding set against ashleigh barty. that's all the sport for now. we will have more after ten o'clock. thank you. interested to hear what do you think about the next story. good news this morning about billy caldwell — the 12 year old — who suffers from epilepsy — is being discharged from hospital later today. billy was admitted over the weekend after his supply of cannabis oil was seized from his mother charlotte at heathrow airport. the home secretary, sajid javid, then stepped in — issuing an emergency licence to allow billy to access the treatment immediately, on the advice of doctors. and earlier this morning, health secretaryjeremy hunt promised to review the law on the medical use of cannabis, saying the government will act as "quickly as it can". last month, charlotte caldwell told this programme about how she wanted cannabis oil to be legalised for medical use, so many more children, like billy, could benefit. billy is now leading a much better quality of life. i would point out at this stage
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as well, i am not on here to declare that my son is cured because that would be a really dangerous thing for me to do, considering the nature of his condition, which is epilepsy. epilepsy can be controlled for a while and then return. what i am saying is, medicinal cannabis is an amazing alternative to try on these kids — notjust billy, notjust one child, but on absolutely all of these children who are suffering this brutal condition every day. a new all—party parliamentary group called medical cannibis under prescription supports the legalisation of medicinal cannabis, and conservative mp george freeman — a former head of policy for theresa may — of the members of this group. niamh eastwood, the executive director of release, who are a centre of expertise on drugs and drugs laws and mum. ilmarie braun, who says cannabis oil has been helping her three—year—old
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son eddie's seizures. good morning, all of you. the cannabis oil at your little boy is getting is legal, as opposed to what billy caldwell was using. yes, that is right, we buy a product from america that has a very low cbd content and so we are allowed to buy that. tell us about your little boy and the kind of seizures he was having and how this cannabis oil helps him. eddie has a very rare form of seizures that was diagnosed at seven months. he suffered at the height from up to eight clusters of day. the seizures themselves look quite, not mild, but not losing consciousness, not immediately life—threatening, but suffering up to eight lasting half an hour in a 24 period. the seizures are known as small seizures with big consequences
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because they are neurologically catastrophic. ange during those early months, eddie regressed and he stops laughing and smiling and rolling and he was like a newborn but very unhappy with that. we dry over the first year although the medication, the front line treatments —— we dry. he was assessed for incredibly serious rain surgery assessed for incredibly serious rain surgery but did not meet the criteria. he started on the ketogenic diet. the seizures started injanuary and in november, we bought our first bottle of cbd oil but we were too frightened to try it and we waited until the one—year anniversary of the seizures and that was it, we knew we could not keep waiting, nothing was helping. so we started. we have always told professionals involved what we were doing because it is legal but they cannot advise us. what difference did it make? we started slowly, he
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was brighter and after three months, we had an incredible period where we did not see any visible seizures. one of the things with infantile spasms, it is characterised by a rain pattern that even when you do not see seizures, his brainwave is all over the place. it is misfiring co nsta ntly. all over the place. it is misfiring constantly. we don't believe that was ever fully controlled. the seizures did slowly come back and they have never got as bad game. we are seeing between one and two clusters 24 hours. how'd you react to that, the fact things have got better? by using this. we know that this is what has helped because we have weaned him of nearly everything else he has been on in that time and this is the constant. because they are slowly coming back, we want to try the next thing and that would be thc. as a politician from the conservative party was in government, can you help? yes, i am
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delighted sajid javid the home secretary has moved by governance standards quickly and i appreciate the frustration for patients and it has been difficult week and i believe a growing number of us believe a growing number of us believe this law now is making a mark grey of government and misery for patients. we have a situation where medicinal cannabis, not recreational medical claims for recreational medical claims for recreational use, or treatments and oils are available around the world, 20 other countries in europe, patients can get a prescription and they can buy it. we have left our patients at the whim of the black market, criminalised. we cannot have this. that is not entirely true. the cannabis oil use for eddie has cbd and thc which is legal because it is below 0.2% level required in the uk. the law is not working because you have a system where patients or very often the parents, and can ijust
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pay tribute to you because the work you are doing, i have seen it in my career you are doing, i have seen it in my careerand it is you are doing, i have seen it in my career and it is the mums and dads advocating it often. we require them to be experts and the law presumes they are breaking the law unless they are breaking the law unless they show they are not. we need a licensing and regulatory scheme that says, if you are using cannabis medicines for genuine and legitimate medical purposes, we should give you clearance and have quick licensing scheme so you're not criminalised and the children and adults can get what they need. are you not worried that we don't have any long—term research into thc which are psychoactive substance? yes, we need more data. you are saying give the licences now and find a later day? make data a condition of license. unless we know weather patients are and what they are taking and we re cord and what they are taking and we record side—effects, these parents would be delighted if we had a simple system for recording impact and then you build up a data. the
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national institute of research which we front with 1 billion a year could collect that data, 20 countries around the world or authorising and issuing these strokes so we should be able to gather their data. let's read an enlightened regulation. we need data, but don't use the argument because there is no data that there clearly is no case. why is the law in this country only allowing for 0.2% thc cannabis oil. the law is really complex around medical cannabis and it is a mess and that is the government's fault and that is the government's fault and previous governments. we have a situation whereby cbd is not controlled under the misuse of drugs act. thc is a schedule one class b drug. and as a schedule one drug, it is considered to have no therapeutic value whatsoever. 0.2% rule comes from eu regulations around hemp growing. it is not clear if cbd
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contained thc is below the 0.2%, is legal, but arguably, there are strong arguments to say it is and also, it is not in the public interest for police to be chasing minor amounts of thc. so it is an absolute mess. what should happen? what is currently happening in the uk, it is notjust these kids being treated in a cruel and inhumane way. but also, people are being prosecuted through courts every year, hundreds and maybe thousands for the use of medical cannabis to relieve their symptoms. are they really? the police have a discretionary approach. yes, but my organisation provides legal advice to people affected through the drug laws and we receive calls monthly to helpline for people prosecuted for cultivating cannabis for their own use. that is slightly different. i understand, but people are suffering
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and there are solutions. it is important to distinguish between recreational cannabis use and cannabis medicines. i am not suggesting we should create a situation where it is legal to be growing cannabis at home for medical purposes and police say, i have got a condition, it has to be regulated. i would argue bishop be done from the department of health and not through the home office and when i was minister for medical regulation, we launched the early access to medicines scheme and medical regulator can move quickly and there is data around the world, jeremy hunt and sajid javid want to grow less and a quick review, australia did this very quickly three years ago and we can meet the world in an enlightened programme. it must not be about opening up the market for home—grown recreational cannabis. be about opening up the market for home-grown recreational cannabis. be clear what releases calling for. the decriminalisation of possession for all drugs. but on the point of the experience of other countries that have adopted a medical approach to
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cannabis, often, they allow small amounts to be growing at home because of the difficulties around the thc and cbd levels. and the absence of research in this area is asa absence of research in this area is as a result of the drug laws. schedule one drugs are difficult to research because you need the home office licence. finalthoughts research because you need the home office licence. final thoughts from you, ilmarie, what are you calling on the home secretary to do?” believe while i was on the rain, jeremy hunt has come out in favour of legalisation. he said he would look at a review. this is incredibly reassuring. it is hopeful, i was one of the eight mothers who stood with charlotte caldwell asked monday, there are many more of us and we have seen high—profile campaigns, there are others in the media right now. but there are many more of us, please take us to the department of health to make our case, we want x as medicine for our children safely. that is my commitment you that we will take it to the department of health and ministers but if you look
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at pete medicines it is drive from heroin which is a deterrent dish which is a terrible drug. we do licence opiates and we have to keep this medicinal. this message says, i ta ke this medicinal. this message says, i take america —— by tip medicine including morphine but in the us, i can buy decent strength cbd oil and my pain is reduced by 50% with no side—effects. anonymous, this says medically or recreationally, the government has no business telling adults what they can put into their bodies and to deny medicine is cruelty. cannabis as medicine, there is clear evidence of its benefits and the government is decades behind and the government is decades behind and regurgitates decades—old methods. this says, my husband has suffered with parkinson is for over ten yea rs suffered with parkinson is for over ten years and he has found relief at times of extreme tremors with cannabis medicine, it is not expensive and this country needs to wa ke expensive and this country needs to wake up and make it legalfor expensive and this country needs to wake up and make it legal for people who suffer needlessly. thank you
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very much and we will follow that. do let's know your own views and experiences, if you use this cannabis oil or whatever your condition, let's know what effect it has on you. coming up... why are child prisoners being held in solitary confinement in uk jails? the government denies it happens — but as we showed you in our exclusive report earlier inmates and medical professionals say it does. after 10 o'clock we will be hearing about the effect of keeping youngsters in their cells — sometimes for up to 23 and a half hours a day. that's after ten. theresa may is making her big speech about the nhs today. we know what she's announcing. more money — an extra £20 billion a year for the health service in england. in an interview with the bbc, she said that some of the money will come from savings made by leaving the european union.
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what i am announcing will be that in 2023, 2024 there will be about £600 million a week, more, in cash, going into the nhs. of course we've got to fund that money. that would be through the brexit dividend. the fact that we're no longer sending vast amounts of money every year to the eu, once we leave the eu. and we as a country will be contributing a bit more. this claim that we can use the money we aren't sending to brussels once we leave the eu is disputed by economists and some conservative mps. and plenty of labour and snp ones as well. pauljohnson, the director of the independent research body the institute for fiscal studies, said, "extra spending can't be funded by brexit dividend. the government has accepted brexit will weaken public finances by £15 billion per year, and the financial settlement with eu plus commitments to replace eu funding already uses up all of our eu contributions in 2022. "there is no brexit dividend," he says. unsurprisingly, labour felt that this didn't go far enough —
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"our nhs is on its knees". "labour will properly fund our nhs with a real long term plan that includes social care." that was jeremy corbyn's treat. —— that was jeremy corbyn's tweet. and even some conservative chair of the health select committee — sarah wollaston — said "the brexit dividend tosh was expected but treats the public as fools. sad to see govt slide to populist arguments rather than evidence on such an important issue". but foreign secretary, borisjohnson, who you'll remember seeing by the vote leave bus which had that nhs funding slogan on it tweeted his delight "fantastic news on nhs funding — a down payment on the cash we will soon get back from our eu payments. #ta kebackcontrol" let's introduce you to our guests them. norman smith at westminster, phil us in. we will have it cabinet meeting
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this morning, brought forward from tomorrow, specifically to thrash out this big spending splurge for the nhs and where the cash will come from. apart from knock—on for taxpayers, about what extra taxes we will have to pay, there is also a knock—on for other government departments, because we know the new home secretary sajid javid has been talking about more cash for the police, and we know the defence secretary gavin williamson has spoken about more cash for the ministry of defence going beyond the 296 ministry of defence going beyond the 2% increase. all their hopes now seemed to be going to the bottom of the chancellor's pile, because priority will be given to the nhs with this massive increase in spending, and actually it is more than £20 million, probably nearer £25 million because
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there will be extra cash as well for scotland, wales and northern ireland, and there is also a reported £1.5 billion a year more going into the supplementary pension. so at huge amount of money to be raised, but we are told we will not find out where it will come from and to the budget in november... that announce details of how we pay for it will be announced at the budget, but the reason we have announced this now is because we want to give nhs leaders time to put together a 10—year plan. now is not a budget, now is the time when we wanted to give the nhs time to draw up their plan, and then we want to finalise that plan ahead of the budget in november. then we will also be very clear how every penny will be paid. there are three sources. one of them is the fact we won't be paying subscriptions to brussels by the end of this period. but that alone would be anything like enough, so —— will not be anything like enough, so there will also be more resources through the taxation system, and also through economic growth. if you put those together, you have a package with
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their treasury is absolutely confident, because they have signed up confident, because they have signed up to this deal, and the chancellor was right there in the negotiations on friday, when we finally came to a deal, and he has been extremely supportive of doing the right thing for the nhs. but you have a package which the country can afford, but which the country can afford, but which also means the nhs can sustain the services it currently offers but also make progress in areas like cancer and mental health. the difficulty for the chancellor is he is hemmed in and all sorts of things on tax, vat, not offering that, and also to offer a tax cut by raising the threshold for the lower and higher rates. so the amount of room for manoeuvre the chancellor has actually got is pretty limited. thank you for the moment, and theresa may will deliver her speech on nhs funding at about 20 past 12 today. you can watch that live on
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the bbc news channel. let's discuss it with damejane dacre — president of the royal college of physicians — who says the government has finally listened to doctors, anita charlesworth from the independent health foundation, and conservative mp jonathan djanogly. he's one of a small group of conservative mps to have voted against elements of the government's brexit plans recently when volley—mac let me begin with you. what was your reaction to your boss's announcement —— let me begin with you. i thought it was bizarre that the government decided to bring this toxic, divisive debate back into the nhs proposals, though brexit. i don't know why they are doing it. suddenly to my mind, the figures don't stack up. if they have a good case on nhs reform and spending, make it, but why pull in all of this divisive staff? but do you back this amount of money going
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into the nhs? outback more money going into the nhs. i want to see a debate on where it is going, how it will be raised. will we have more debt? will we have more taxation? if it is more taxation, what taxes will be raised? —— yes, i back more money going into the nhs. you heard jeremy hunt seeing more money will be raised through the taxation system, it was a tortuous form of words. yes, but four times the amount raised in capital gains tax, totally, so it is a lot of money. but going back to the concept of the dividend, i really don't see where the figures come from. if you look at the £20 billion the government wa nts to at the £20 billion the government wants to spend, we currently spend about £11 billion with the eu, only about £11 billion with the eu, only about half, but of course adding more to the amount we will have to pay to get out of europe in the first place, another £40 billion or £50 billion, so even on those basic figures we talking four five years away before we would get any kind of dividend and that does not include other things like events we will pay the eu regulators, and we will pay for e—services... ——
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the eu regulators, and we will pay for e—services. .. —— amounts the eu regulators, and we will pay for e—services... —— amounts that we will pay to eu regulators. do you think it is wrong for her to announce money from a source that effectively doesn't exist? the government said plainly this would be looked at in the context of the budget saw i don't think there is any element of dishonesty. am talking about the brexit dividend bit. i think it is a red herring, frankly, just leading the smack down the wrong path. promising something that will not exist. is that alive, then? it is not a lie because you can bend statistics to how you want -- is it can bend statistics to how you want —— is ita can bend statistics to how you want —— is it a lie, then. my take is you will have to put a pretty tortuous click on saying there will be a new brexit dividend. ok, jane jane dacre, firstly the amount of money, jonathan djanogly saying it is a lot of money. is it enough? it is still not enough because the nhs has been
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underfunded for a lot of years —— dame jane dacre, underfunded for a lot of years —— damejane dacre, firstly the amount of money. this amount of money, whilst usually welcome and after an enormous amount of effort by many people, is unlikely to be enough to make the transformation that the nhs needs. it will allow us to continue as we are, but if we are wanting to change the service, which we are, and to do things in a different, more economic way, it is very difficult to do that whilst continuing with business as usual, with an amount of money that covers business as usual and doesn't cover the transformation, nor indeed the transition as we move to new ways of working. the one where the money will come from, considering people are saying there is no such thing as are saying there is no such thing as a brexit dividend? and worry more about where the money will go to. so you don't worry about how they get it, as long as it is delivered?” think it is essential it is delivered because the people living in this country are suffering at the minute. last winter was the most
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difficult one we have had in a very long time. it is inhumane to keep patients on trolleys in a&e departments because there are no beds in hospitals. it is not there to not have enough money for mental health, and also for social care, which means poor elderly patients get stranded in hospital and can't go home, so we have a moral duty to spend that money. anita charlesworth, spend that money. anita cha rlesworth, you spend that money. anita charlesworth, you are from the health foundation. just explain to our viewers what that is, firstly, and tell us your reaction to this. we are an independent charity working to try to improve quality of health care the uk. i think there are couple of things about this which are really important and very positive. firstly, recognition that the nhs mean for funding certainty. one of the things which has been very damaging to the nhs is it has suffered from periods of feast and then famine. and actually you can't plan a service where it takes ten years or more to train a doctor went essentially you're managing
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day—to—day. we have huge changes in the type of patients and the needs of those patients. so in the next five years we have a million more are five years we have a million more a re 65s five years we have a million more are 65s in england alone and these are 65s in england alone and these are people living with long—term health problems, and increasingly multiple long—term health problems. is this money enough that? money will help, as jane is this money enough that? money will help, asjane has said, but we do have this big increase in complexity and number of patients, and ina complexity and number of patients, and in a number of areas we complexity and number of patients, and in a number ofareas we know that already we are not meeting need, and mental health is really stark. only four in ten people with mental health problem in this country get any help at all the nhs. although cancer care has been improving, we are still behind european partners. so the money is welcome but we will really struggle for big improvements. the other thing to say, this is an announcement for front line services. there are bits of the nhs
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budget that are less exciting but really fundamentally important, so capital investment that buys the scanners that allows us to diagnose disease, that is not included in the announcement. the money for education and training that gets us the doctors and nurses we need, not in the announcement to stop the funding for public health and social care, not on the announcement. so there is unfinished business. in terms of your government, viewers will know that the conservative government said it would ring fence nhs spending, however it certainly did not do the same with social care. your government has presided over big cuts to social care. jeremy hunt himself acknowledged in his speech there was a correlation between the cuts in social care on the rise in a&e admissions. now you are handing from somewhere all this money back to the nhs. isn't your policy, your government's policy, incoherent to the nhs in england? firstly it is not only social care. over the period of austerity most
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other departments also, you know, very heavily hit in terms of their spending, because we didn't have the money to spend and we didn't have then gone to pay for the services. soa then gone to pay for the services. so a decision was taken to support the health service over and above other public services. that seems to be what the public want, and that his government responding to it, so i don't think businesses early incoherent, although it is not consistent, i will grant you. all right, but you still don't know where the money is coming from. no, we don't go where it is coming from, because government hasn't yet discussed that within the party let alone the wider public. but these are the debates that we are going to have, conservative mps like me, that we will insist on, in the run—up to the budget, so we can see not only how much money will be spent, how was it going to be spent, what is the timing of it being spent, in the context of the economy, because post—brexit the economy need take a short term downward turns we will have to look at it in that context,
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then of course if we are talking about taxes, which taxes it should go to. yes, ok. thank you very much, all of you. thank you for coming on. we will bring you the latest news and sport at ten o'clock but before that time for the weather with simon. good morning. good morning indeed. iwant to weather with simon. good morning. good morning indeed. i want to start with one of weather watcher photographs from north yorkshire. look at this fabulous cloud, one my favourites, formed by the wind going over the mountains, smoothing out those clouds. back in the day it was often thought there were ufos attacking, but it is a great cloud. lots of cloud further south and east, intend, as you can see on the imagery, and it will fit in and break up. some sunny spells developing down towards the south—east of england, the midlands, north and east in england as well. a bit of cloud spreading into the south—west, into wales, some misty and murky conditions around the course, perhaps even drizzle.
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showers in the north of scotland, little cool there. elsewhere, pretty warm afternoon. temperatures getting up warm afternoon. temperatures getting up into the high teens and even the mid—20s. through this evening and tonight, we keep quite a bit of cloud for wales, the midlands, eastern and southern england and it will be quite an uncomfortable night for sleeping. temperatures no lower than 15-18dc, for sleeping. temperatures no lower than 15—18dc, but with clear skies in the north it will be that bit cooler. in wednesday, we still have this flow of warm air coming and across southern. the boundary of thatis across southern. the boundary of that is this weatherford, so to the north across scotland it is a little cooler and that is how it will be again in the tuesday and wednesday saw “— again in the tuesday and wednesday saw —— is this weather front, so to the north. for england and wales, plenty of dry weather, one or two showers ruled out, but again pretty warm with temperature is 20—24dc. again, fresher further north. that weather system will gradually
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move further south and east into wednesday. behind it, fresher conditions still for scotland and northern ireland. we start with some power bricks of rain across northern england and wales. that will gradually petered out moving south and east —— some showers across northern england and wales. behind that cloud and rain, fresh again. 15-16d that cloud and rain, fresh again. 15—16d during wednesday. the fresher airwill 15—16d during wednesday. the fresher air will gradually extend further south as we go into thursday. for the end of the week, high pressure dominating. that means it will stay rather settled into friday and the weekend. lots of dry weather around. not wall—to—wall sunshine, but there will be some pleasant spells of sunshine really into the weekend. temperatures will just sunshine really into the weekend. temperatures willjust be creeping up temperatures willjust be creeping upa temperatures willjust be creeping up a little so it will feel quite warm as well into the weekend. bye— bye. hello, it's monday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. this programme's been told exclusively that children are being held in what amounts to solitary confinement in prisons — something the government denies happens.
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there's people screaming and shouting. you can't sleep. you've got to think about your family when i fight my case. your child. you're not an adult to like comprehend these things. so it's difficult, man. we'll hear from a former inmate who says he was held in solitary confinement in prison at the age of 15, and from the mp for feltham, where the most well—known young offenders institution is. gaming addiction has been classified by the world health organisation as a mental health condition for the first time. we've been scanning the brains of 13—year—old triplets — to see what happens when they play the popular video game fortnite. we will talk to them in the next half an hour we will talk to them in the next halfan hourand we will talk to them in the next half an hour and give you the results. i think fortnite particularly because it's live stream is very difficult for the children to turn
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off, and it's also very social. we will talk to them in the next half hour. and in a rare statement on her husband's policy, melania trump says she ‘hates to see children separated from their families‘ at the us border, we‘ll get reaction. good morning. here‘s joanna gosling in the bbc newsroom. gaming addiction has for the first time been officially recognised as a mental health condition by the world health organisation. it has included "gaming disorder" in the latest edition of its international classification of diseases. the gaming industry disputes the evidence behind the decision, describing it as ‘inconclusive‘. we‘ll bring you more on that in the programme in about 15 minutes. this programme has been told that children are regularly being held in solitary confinement in british prisons. there are about 900 under—18s serving sentences in young offenders‘ institutions at any one time in england and wales. up to a third of them can expect
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to spend some time in isolation. the government says child prisoners can be segregated if they pose a risk to themselves and others, but denies the use of solitary confinement. the health and social care secretary, jeremy hunt, has confirmed that a "higher burden of taxation" will be one of the ways in which money is raised for the increased funding promised to the nhs in england. yesterday, theresa may pledged an extra £20 billion a year by 2023. in a speech later, the prime minister will ask nhs bosses to draw up a ten—year plan to ensure ‘every penny‘ is well spent. billy caldwell — the 12 year old who suffers from epilepsy — is being discharged from hospital later today. billy was admitted over the weekend after his supply of cannabis oil was seized from his mother at heathrow airport. the home secretary then stepped in, issuing an emergency licence to allow billy to access the treatment immediately, on the advice of doctors. the health secretary, jeremy hunt, has promised the government will review the law over the medical use of cannabis "as
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quickly as it can". the us first lady, melania trump, has spoken out on the policy of separating parents and children illegally entering the country from mexico. there‘s been nearly 2,000 family separations in the last six weeks under president trump‘s "zero tolerance" policy, although he blames an un—named law created under the democrats. his wife, melania, said the country must "follow all laws, but also govern with heart". that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10:30. thank you very much and for your comments and our exclusive story this morning about some child prisoners being held in solitary confinement in uk jails. prisoners being held in solitary confinement in ukjails. nicholas says, prison should not mean taking people away from society. segregation is cruel and the effect on someone segregation is cruel and the effect on someone with adhd is outrageous. well done to that mother for speaking out today, it needs
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stopping before these children suffer any more. any mail, often, solitary is the only safe place for an inmate. my experience has been prison has been a hugely dangerous place. and inmates, drugs and knives are everywhere, prison officers are nowhere. the prisons are being run by the inmates who have control of the drugs. it is filthy, dangerous, stifling hot in the summer and freezing in the winter. i understand the need for punishment, but it has become torture. what kind of people going to emerge from living in such inhumane hellholes? we will talk more about this in the next half hour, your experiences welcome, do send us an e—mail. there is also a facebook. sport now, with hugh woozencroft. good morning. well, the wait is over. another world cup for england and a chance to erase the memories of a group—stage exit in 2014
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and that defeat by iceland at the euros two years ago. manager gareth southgate and his captain, harry kane, went out on the pitch in volgograd yesterday, but the team didn‘t train in the arena before tonight‘s meeting with tunisia. former england midfielder frank lampard says the young squad can be free of ‘mental baggage‘ going into the tournament. our generation, you know, we didn‘t succeed, we did it go and win something. we made it to the quarterfinals and that is about it and you always have those memories in the back of your mind. these lads to it we have that. they are fresh, they are young, it feels like they wa nt to they are young, it feels like they want to show what they can do on this big scene so hopefully, hopefully, that is all the positives and hopefully, that will translate onto the pitch. well, plenty of the highly fancied teams at this world cup have failed to impress in their opening matches and you can include on that list the defending champions, germany. after a joyous and emotional match for mexico, they managed a 1—0 win
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which really could have been more. it‘s the first time a german team has been beaten in their world cup opener since 1982. apparently, fans in mexico caused a small earth tremor in south america when the ball went in. there were tears too, for west ham‘s javier hernandez at the final whistle. not quite tears for brazil, but they won‘t be plased with their start. it‘s the first time in 40 years that they failed to win their first game at a world cup, conceding a pretty soft equaliser, as they were held to a 1—1 draw by switzerland. well, there was a golf major on over the weekend — the us open at shinnecock hills — and it was very nearly won by a briton, in the shape of tommy fleetwood. he became just the sixth player to shoot a 63 at the us open, but missed out by a single stroke to the american brooks koepka, who successfully defended the title he won last year. it‘s understood the rugby football union is still backing the england head coach, eddie jones. despite a fifth straight test—match defeat at the weekend. jones compared the 23—12 defeat by south africa to a ‘horror
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movie‘ but, as it stands, jones will be given until after the autumn internationals to turn the team‘s fortunes around. johanna konta refused to shake hands with the umpire after she lost the final of the nottingham open for a successive year. she was angered when a line call went against her in a pivotal point of the deciding set against ashleigh barty. and konta made her frustrations very clear to the umpire, paula vieira souza, with the incident clearly affecting her. this is a joke! it‘s an absolute joke! you understand that you changed quarters on matches. 0k? no, you listen to me. we are out here busting, literally busting our chops like no other, and you are there and you are making decisions that affect our lives — do you understand that? do you fully understand that? that‘s all the sport for now.
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we will have more later. thank you very much. good morning. welcome to our programme. this programme‘s been told exclusively that children are being held in solitary confinement in prisons — something the government denies ever happens. roughly a third of children serving prison sentences will spend some time in isolation. and former inmates and medical professionals have told us that often, the conditions they‘re held in do meet the international definition for solitary confinement. that‘s ‘22 hours or more in a cell, without meaningful human contact‘. we‘ll discuss this in a moment with a former inmate, who says he was held in solitary confinement. first, we brought you andy smythe‘s full exclusive film earlier, here‘s an extract. this was london carnival in the august just before he was convicted. and so the most recent photos you have, pretty much? before he went away, yeah. when he was 13, that‘s it. there‘s nothing else.
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old baby photos we‘ve got of when he was a baby, obviously, growing up. sheena evelyn‘s son, keyfer, was convicted of a joint enterprise murder aged 14. she says for the last four years, he‘s spent a lot of time in solitary confinement, in various young offender institutions. 23.5 hours lock—away, it was. he was getting out for half an hour a day. 15—minute shower, 15—minute phone call. nothing to stimulate you and, bearing in mind he‘s got adhd, so he needs that type of stimulation. no human contact, nothing. michael, it‘s not his real name, says he was put into solitary confinement in prison too as a 16—year—old. there‘s people screaming and shouting. you can‘t sleep. you‘ve got to think about yourfamily, when i fight my case. you‘re a child, you‘re not an adult to, like, comprehend these things.
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so it‘s difficult, man. solitary confinement is internationally defined as spending 22 hours or more a day in a cell without meaningful human contact. the howard league for penal reform is a helpline for children in prison who want legal advice. over the last 12 months, we have received at least 40 telephone calls from, or on behalf of children, who are describing conditions of isolation. the concern for medical professionals is that holding children in isolation can be harmful to their mental health. there is increased risk of self—harm and suicide—related behaviour, and there is increased risk of when they do come out, then there will be more violent behaviour. so, actually, it is bad for them and it is bad for the people around them. but the ministry forjustice denies that any children are held in solitary confinement. it uses words like ‘segregation‘. there are young people who end up locked in their cells for longer than 22 hours each day and, therefore, they are de facto in
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solitary confinement. so when the government says it doesn‘t happen, are they being disingenuous? i think they‘re hiding behind definitions and names. the royal college of psychiatrists and the british medical association are now campaigning for the practice to be banned altogether. the ministry ofjustice also told us segregation is used as a last resort, when prisoners are a risk to themselves or others. he says child prisoners get their entitlement to education, exercise, and legal and family visits. it‘s a long, long road for change. and it‘s a road that my boy won‘t see. it‘s going to be too little, too late for him. but if this can help someone else‘s child, it needs to be spoken about, it needs to be out there. let‘s speak now to sephton henry. he says he was held in solitary confinement
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in prison at the age of 15. seema malhotra is the labour mp for feltham, where the most well—known young offenders institution is. and dr alison steele is from the royal college of paediatrics and child health, which is campaigning to ban solitary confinement for children. what happened to you, sephton?” what happened to you, sephton? i was put into a block and basically there was nothing in the room and you didn‘t even have a mattress on the bed, so if you were tired you would sleep on a metal frame. and in terms of the hours you are in there on your own with no meaningful human contact, how long? it was pretty
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much the whole day. sometimes they let you out on the yard, so you would get 15 minutes on the order something like that, then it is back into the block, the cell. you think people should be sympathetic towards you for being in those kind of conditions injail? you for being in those kind of conditions in jail? i you for being in those kind of conditions injail? i don't you for being in those kind of conditions in jail? i don't really expect anything from anybody but the truth is the truth, and the truth is that mentally it distorted me. i have post—traumatic stress disorder i still struggle with today, emotional trauma from some of the situations i have been put on. when you‘re put onto cage and you‘re given a number, they don‘t even call you by your number name, they say tf6622, so you kind of become what you have done. in society be punished and judge people and it leaves them and that condemned state, and if you leave that person in that condemned state he now adopts what they have said about
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you, so what they said is that i am low, iam besic, iam you, so what they said is that i am low, i am besic, i am a solitary confinement, i need to be put away, iama confinement, i need to be put away, iam a thug, confinement, i need to be put away, i am a thug, i‘m wrong, and that is what you adopt. the government says it doesn‘t happen. this is what the ministry ofjustice says in a statement. "segregation can be limited last report for limited periods when young people or are putting themselves or others at risks but they are not put in solitary confinement and they continue to have access to religious services, the exercise, education and legal and family visits." obviously i have experienced it. i have been to prison seven times, and the brixton, rochester, felton, different prisons. —— i have been the brixton. i have literally experienced it. i have experienced times when we have been left in ourselves, not solitary confinement, but left in ourselves for a whole week because they said they didn‘t have the staff and things like that. i have had times were on christmas
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day i didn‘t get a meal because they forgot to open my door. i have had times where i have been beaten up by the govs, the people that are over me or whatever. the prison officers? yeah. right. seema malhotra, do have sympathy for prisoners, who were held in solitary confinement? go i think it is important to see this as a medical issue and not a justice issue. fight? go the consensus around this, it is about the harm solitary confinement causes the young people —— not a justice issue why? because the consensus around the there is a consensus now around the there is a consensus now around the definition, which the government seems to be denying it‘s happening
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in ourjails. the government talks about removal from association but if it looks like solitary confinement and sounds like solitary confinement and sounds like solitary confinement then quite frankly it is solitary confinement, and the reason why i held the debate in parliament last month, which was supported by the british medical association, the royal college of psychiatristss and paediatrics and child health and others, is because of the harm that this practice causes the young people in prison, but also the ongoing harm we havejust people in prison, but also the ongoing harm we have just heard from sephton and others after they leave. i believe the practice is inhumane and we can have a system ofjustice thatis and we can have a system ofjustice that is tough but does not have this and actually uses alternatives that are available. doctor katie razall, why should solitary confinement for child prisoners in ukjails be banned —— doctor alison steele.” believe it should be banned because there is a huge body of evidence that shows it can be harmful to
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children's health and well—being at this critical time in their development. hell is it harmful? bolster their physical health, if they can't exercise —— bolster their physical health, if they can't exercise -- how is it harmful? a lot of them have suffered from ill—treatment. harmful? a lot of them have suffered from ill-treatment. it is also bad for their mental health and it shows a lot more likely to self harm or commit suicide having experienced solitary confinement.” commit suicide having experienced solitary confinement. i have the scars to show it. are you happy for us to show this on tv? i don‘t know whether camera can focus in on this. explain what these guys are, sephton? this is where i self harmed. because i wanted to die. because you were in solitary? ijust because you‘re in that institution? it was the impact on everything that was happening to me. what you mean? so, like! was happening to me. what you mean? so, like i said, when you are locked
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away and then they treat you the way they do and put you in a cell like that, you don‘t want to live. they do and put you in a cell like that, you don't want to live. seema malhotra, the government says it doesn‘t happen, so when you see wa nted doesn‘t happen, so when you see wanted to be banned in ukjails, it is kind of tricky, isn‘t it? wanted to be banned in ukjails, it is kind of tricky, isn't it? the government says it doesn't happen because it uses a different term, removal from association, but the reality is it does happen. we are hearing the stories and we know the la st hearing the stories and we know the last year to 40 people, for the children in prisons, contacted the league for penal reform's helpline, and those are young people who know about the helpline and are then able to call, and in my view that is likely to be the tip of the iceberg. most of them as well, as the authors of the children's commissioner has identified, the office of children's commissioner, the children most likely to be in solitary confinement are those that have been looked after, ethnic minority prisoners,
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but also those with a disability, andl but also those with a disability, and i think we have to ask a question about why solitary confinement is being used, what alternatives are available and what work the government is doing to collect the data and then to be at alternatives. i believe if you are in denial, as the government currently is, but this happening, we are not going to take those steps, and this isn't aboutjustice, it is and this isn't aboutjustice, it is a medical issue, and it is about making sure we don't have vulnerable young children coming out of our state care, being worse off in terms of their mental health, than when they were when they went in. thank you, all of you. thank you, thank you, all of you. thank you, thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you. just to repeat what the ministry of justice said in the statement, obviously we asked for an interview but we were declined. "segregation can be an important last resort for limited periods when young people are putting themselves at others of
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risk -- are putting themselves at others of risk —— at risk, but they are not held in solitary content and continue to have access to education, religious services, outdoor exercises, an impediment to legal and social visits, and they are recruiting hundreds of new prison officers to support young offenders." from today, gaming addiction will be listed as a mental health disorder by the world health organisation. it comes as parents and teachers have been voicing concern about kids getting hooked on the wildly popular game fortnite — which has 125 million players world wide. but why are comouter games so addictaive? some of them. well, to work this out, we‘ve come up with our experiment — it‘s obviously not done under controlled conditions but is interesting nevertheless. this morning we‘ve used something called an eeg cap to measure the brain activity of 13—year—old brothers — triplets — to see what happens when they play fortnite. two of them play a lot — hamish and monty — and one, noah, doesn‘t play at all.
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their brains have been scanned, and we‘re going to bring you the results shortly. first, have a look at this. let me introduce you to the triplets, 13—year—old hamish, monty and noah. hamish and monty love playing video games, and they are playing video games, and they are playing fortnite. your in a battle of survival against 99 other people, battle royale. we have the bikes‘ mum of your gennady from the braid brent centre. as you can see hamish is wearing an eeg cap which will monitor his rain as he is playing the video game. we can see on the laptop, nade, why don‘t you describe what we can see via this cap on hamish‘s rain. what we can see via this cap on hamish's rain. we will see the rain's overactive or underactive or engaged statist upper we can see right now there is some red flashing. —— the rain—— rain‘s activity. this is nonscientific,
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obviously. the reason we are testing this and we will test his brothers and we will test them before he played, and after, and the reason is to find out what? when it comes to pulling video games? to find out whether video games which are particularly enjoyable and rewarding overactive let the reward system of the brain and have potentially an addictive potential. ok. because they deliver pleasure and a desire of the brain to repeat this experience again and again. so it is in use of the brain related to pleasure and reward and motions, if they are overactive during the game. that would show the game is addictive. as the boys' mum, how do they differ when it comes to wanting to play video games? two is a keen and one is not so keen. is there something particular about fortnite that used think is different to the others, fifa 17, that used think is different to the
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others, fifa17, 18? because it is a live stream game, you don't have the option to pause which can enter a family life, because for instance if you are doing a minecraft game you can pause and come down for supper, but if it is the fortnite they want to finish and it is another five minutes, and how many brits have heard that? "i will come down and another five minutes," heard that? "i will come down and another five minutes, " then heard that? "i will come down and another five minutes," then 20 minutes later they are still appears —— how many parents have heard that. when you have heard the world health organisation is listing gaming as mental health condition for the first time. what you think?” mental health condition for the first time. what you think? i am surprised it hasn't been done before. i think fortnite particularly, because it is live stream, is very difficult for the children to turn off, and it is the very social, and they talk about it at school. whereas something like battlefront, or minecraft, it was much more... when it was on the go it wasn't as talked about, and the clever thing about fortnite, they keep losing new things, so it is a
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constant. it is like the pokemon... that is a good point. last year it was pokemon. this year it is... pokemon at least got the outside. onlyjust! we will test it, and we will bring the results to our audience. thank you. thank you, boys. hi red in that zone. not any more. go look at that screen. we‘re just talking to other now —— hi! you are right in that order is a weird nade here or which is brilliant. let me introduce you to a spokesperson for the royal college of psychiatrists and an expert on addiction. and we will talk to a woman with a 15—year—old son she saysis woman with a 15—year—old son she says is addicted to gaming and has been school for a year. ok, let‘s crack on with the results. nadia comaneci divine? particularly between hamish, who plays a lot, and noah, who is not really into gaming?
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it was fascinating to observe how during playing the game, hamish, his brain was very active, the cortex was becoming overly active, certain colours... i wonder if we can get a camera, maybe camera two... can use the? perfect. can we see the red? this red is showing what? this is hamish and shows his cortex is overactive while he is playing the game, which indicates he is engaged, emotionally involved in the game. it isa emotionally involved in the game. it is a rewarding experience for them. that is what you would expect. is a bad thing to see that red?m that is what you would expect. is a bad thing to see that red? it is not bad, but it is a bit too much. look in contrast at his brother's brain, noah, doesn't like playing it, he was not fully emerge... there is no red here, because he doesn't feel emotionally involved. it is not
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rewarding for him to be involved in that action at the very moment. for him it isjust sitting and pressing the buttons. ok. the reward centre, the buttons. ok. the reward centre, the pleasure centre, the brain is not active. he has low potential to get addicted to this game. but are you saying hamish has high potential because we can see he is engaged in his brain is rewarded? that is correct. besides that, based on recording before the boys started playing the game, we worked out how their brains looked at rest, and it was very interesting to find that there were slight differences even at rest, in the two brains. hamish, his brain had overactive... if you can see this is the addiction network, so it was a bit overactive, warm colours indicating increased activity got on as expected, for his age group, and the cold colours or no colours indicating normal reduced activity. does that mean that... is that because hamish has been playing the game and lost it, or is it because there is something about
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hamish‘s brain that means there is a predilection to addiction in the future? it is all speculation. we cannot say for sure, but i can imagine we have certain vulnerabilities towards developing addictive behaviour, because when i investigated to compare the tension network in both the boys, their brains, the network responsible for how long we are able to remain concentrated and undistracted even in mundane activities, we found out that hamish is a little bit less likely to be able to be concentrated and focused. his brain seems to need consta nt and focused. his brain seems to need constant stimulation. oh, what do you think of that, hamish?” constant stimulation. oh, what do you think of that, hamish? i don't know, really. it is very confusing, ijust have to say that really. fair enough, how'd you to that? yes. what you like
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about fortnite? i like 100 people are in it, lots of people can play it and lots of our friends play it so we can it and lots of our friends play it so we can play it with them a lot. have you ever won? have you ever destroyed 99 other people? yes, our friends make fun of us for not winning many games, but we don't really care. what is that like, have you ever won? yes, it is very good when you win, you feel very happy. you mentioned pokemon, is this any different to the games that came before? yes, this is completely. because it is social. mine cracked for social, fifa is social. not a social. they are playing with their friends online. you could do that
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won one. mine were not allowed to because mine were younger. you have gone through all these. i think the fa ct gone through all these. i think the fact that you can pause minecraft and you could pause other games possibly would have helped. you cannot post this because you are in the game, you are playing to your friends. henrietta, the gaming industry say, this idea, this motion that gaming addiction is on this list compiled by the who, they say the evidence is inconclusive, how would you respond to this being officially on this list by the world health organisation? it is welcome news for people who are in the specialty behaviour addictions because people with gaming disorders have been around for some time. up to now, the lack of recognition by the who for example means that treatment providers were not
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encouraged to develop treatment centres or at least skill up their workforce to deal with these issues. the idea of a conflict between different groups of mental health professionals believing or not believing it should be made into a disease is interesting. i think the who took a very safe approach and this acknowledges that it is a very low prevalence rate of issues and they do tends to be in boys and they are boys who tends to be young. therefore, the illness involves families and the dynamic within families and the dynamic within families and the dynamic within families and academic progress and schoolwork. so what the who eager to do is acknowledge the prevalence but at the same time i acknowledge that this presentation can be and severe there is a progression to the severity within the severity scale and that treatment must be provided for people who are struggling. let's
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bring in kendal. she says her son is addicted to gaming and has been off school for over a year. tell our audience about how your son got into this position. good morning, victoria. yes, it has happened over time. the pc were doing, and applaud you for doing it. it has happened over time and it began as fun, a hobby. then it moved to something much more problematic. other early oak was interesting when she said, could not him off the games and when he was supposed to begin his homework online, he was playing games. and things like his sport, i have five children and he is the most sporty and all of those things, whether it was his sport, his music, his academic. he would always hand his academic. he would always hand his homework in. but slowly, those
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things started dropping, to the point in the last year where he cannot function because he cannot live in a world outside of the gaming. to the point where he was hospitalised and he has not been to school for a year because he is terrified of going outside. and how have you responded to that, as his mum? well, to see your child suffer like that has been terrible for all others in the family. and the biggest thing you can do as a parent, a mum or dad, is try to restrict things so that i take responsibility for whether it is the devices that he has got, whether it is what he was looking at, the content, or the access to the internet. but we have been doing it for yea rs internet. but we have been doing it for years and he is ingenious at finding ways to get back on it. and the longer it has gone on, the more ingenious he is. do you find that
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people take it seriously when you tell them what has happened, or are they slightly derisory and say, just ta ke they slightly derisory and say, just take the device from him? yes, that isa take the device from him? yes, that is a good question, i suppose it is like drinking. everyone can have a glass of wine, but some people can‘t. yes, there is lots of knocking, but if parents are not prepared to step up and talk about it, and wanted to be somebody that did. however hard it is for me and the family. yes, people don‘t take it seriously, especially the gaming companies. and if you think about the plasticity of an adolescent brain and what this is doing to their brain, it is great you are covering that. the thing at a time where it is not formed until they are in their20s, where it is not formed until they are in their 20s, what that is doing to your personality and your brain, in must be pretty significant. have you been able to get treatment on the nhs? no, there is no treatment. though they did before said although
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it has been going on a long time, because it has not been defined and diagnosed in a category, it is impossible to get help. so there is no help. and people don‘t understand it within the mental health services. let me bring doctor henrietta back in, from the royal couege henrietta back in, from the royal college of psychiatrists, what would you say to kendal? first, how brave of you to come forward and thank you, your story is the same as many other parents who have not been able to take this on. so thank you on behalf of the people who suffer from this illness. at the moment, there is no designated nhs service to treat gaming disorder. this does not mean that new things won't start over the course of the next year. i fully expect the department of health to hear stories like yours andl health to hear stories like yours and i said earlier, it will not be and i said earlier, it will not be an extremely high prevalence, we must not over sensationalise the issue. what we must do is to teach parents to identify the early
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symptoms so they can understand which ones of their children are going to be most at risk and implement the behavioural changes that need to be introduced in the family for those children. if that fails, it is time to ask an expert. i want to ask you, what the warning signs? from hamish and monty and especially noah hates these things, there is no issue here, you are very disciplined, zilla, in terms of the time you allow them to use video games, but let me sq, kendal. what we re games, but let me sq, kendal. what were the warning signs, and give advice to other parents?” were the warning signs, and give advice to other parents? i would love to, i have five children and this is just love to, i have five children and this isjust one love to, i have five children and this is just one and it is interesting looking at different brothers, he has two brothers and i have two girls. the warning signs were, to start with, not being able to get him off although i do think the year—on—year, the games become more compulsive and it becomes a lot
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harder. and the nature of the games changes. especially with the free —— the free games. secondly, a withdrawal from the things he loved. whether that was sport, music, academic, he was on the talented and gifted at school, but slowly lost interest at school. and friends, the world of online became so much bigger than off—line. so i would say the withdrawal very much, and a dependency. i would like to agree with every point you have made, you have listed just about everything that needed to be mentioned. essentially, it is a loss of control. it is a progressive loss of control. it is a progressive loss of control that becomes more and more severe and by the time, as you say, you have begun to isolate from siblings, from parents, from school friends and from peers, you end up
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living in a virtual world that becomes your reality. and in doing so, the lack of input into academic work, into exams, into sporting activities, ends up alienating the further, without unfortunately, someone further, without unfortunately, someone mentioned the issue with the frontal lobes in young people early on. it is true that it is harder for them to foresee the negative consequences of immediate gratification, ratherthan consequences of immediate gratification, rather than longer term rewards and that is an issue here. finally, henrietta, how much time should parents allow their young teenagers, mid—teenagers on their devices each day? so, it really depends on the children. as i said, a lot of children do this relatively happily and have an inner sense of control. i have two children, i only went through six months of needing to remove games
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after one hour. normally, they are quite good at this. the ones with an issue are the ones who will not put it down when their siblings do or when it is time for a meal so rather than being so completely rigid about the time, i would say, if you have concerns, this is a time to get some education and some talking with people who know more about it. thank you so much. thank you all of you, i really appreciate your time, thank you so much for getting up so early and hassle with transport, we really appreciate it. boys, thank you very much for your time and zilla, thank you for bringing your boys and all the best. i will read out your m essa g es the best. i will read out your messages before the programme ends, and some really interesting ones as well. meghan markle‘s father, thomas markle, has been talking about missing the royal wedding. the duke and duchess of sussex married last month at windsor castle, and thomas markle had been expected to walk his daughter down the aisle, but he had to pull out due to poor health. in an interview with itv‘s good morning britain, mr markle talked about how harry
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asked for meghan‘s hand in marriage, and said he was grateful for prince charles stepping in to escort his daughter. i can‘t think of a better replacement than someone like prince charles, you know. he looked very handsome and my daughter looked beautiful with him. i wasjealous, i wish i‘d been there, i wish it‘d been me, but thank god he was there and i thank him for that. harry got on the phone with meghan, they called me together, and harry asked for her hand over the phone. and i said, you‘re a gentleman, promise me you‘ll never raise your hand against my daughter. and, of course, i give you my permission. breaking news about train incident
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at south london, loughborough junction station. it has been reported three people have been killed after an incident at this station in south london, loughborough junction junction, in south london. has been reported three people have been killed and we will bring you more news as soon as we get it. us first lady melania trump has made a rare statement expressing concern over a controversial policy that splits up families who illegally enter the country. in a statement, a spokeswoman for melania trump said the first lady hates to see children separated from their families. she added that melania believes the us needs to be a country that follows the law, but also governs with heart. donald trump‘s ‘zero—tolerance‘ immigration policy has led to hundreds of children and babies being housed in detention centres, warehouses and converted supermarkets on the us border, separated from their parents. let‘s cross live to the us and speak
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to cbs news correspondent hena doba, and also to professor scott lucas, from the university of birmingham. hena, the response from melania trump, how reacting to it? well, good morning from new york, victoria. as you can imagine, these images are not helping. many were surprised the first lady did speak out about that and former first lady laura bush did as well. new images released by the border patrol show living conditions for people held at a border patrol facility in south texas. inside this old warehouse, children can be seen in steel cages with what what site foils cheats but they face by gets keep warm. protesters are outside the facility demanding authorities stop
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separating migrant children from their parents. why is the policy to separate them? it depends. you may remember in april the attorney general revealed the zero tolerance policy, saying that to illegally crossed the border they could then be charged and placed injail they could then be charged and placed in jail away from their children. the department of homeland security numbers show over a six—week period nearly 2000 children we re six—week period nearly 2000 children were taken from nearly as many adults, and while president trump has tried to blame democrats for this policy the house is only expected to vote on immigration bill is crafted by republicans, and the president will meet with house republicans, we are told, tomorrow, on tuesday. professor scott lucas, the policy first of all, and the fa ct the policy first of all, and the fact that first lady is reacting in this way to it. what do you think? there are two things here. the statement is clearly to try to relieve pressure on the administration, with all these images of children effectively in
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prison as they are separated from parents, but there is a second motive here which i think is important. this statement was probably coordinated with the white house to try to use the children as leverage to get passage of fairly hard—line immigration package that donald trump once. the key sentence, she is calling on both sides to work together to pass immigration reform. but what the trump administration is saying, "we will. the separation of these children if we get 25 billion for the war with mexico, if we get a sharp reduction in immigrants and refugees, if we get into the visa diversity —— an end to the visa diversity —— an end to the visa diversity lottery programme, an end to immigrants bringing relative to the us," so another had melania trump's statement while expressing concern in the surface could be part ofa bargaining concern in the surface could be part of a bargaining chip to get the white house what it once on immigration. we will see what happens. thank you so much,
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professor scott lucas, and hena doba from cbs, thank you very much. ok, more on the breaking news and mentioned a moment or two ago. this is to do with the train incident in south london, and three people have been killed, it appears, after being struck by a train shortly after half past seven this morning. officers from the british transport police we re from the british transport police were called to loughborough from the british transport police were called to loughborouthunction in south london following a report ofa number of in south london following a report of a number of bodies being found. that is near brixton, by the way. police and paramedics from the london ambulance service obviously went there. three people were sadly pronounced dead at the scene. officers are still there, trying to work out who the three people are. trying to get in touch with their families, of course. a number of inquiries are also under way to establish the circumstances of how the people came to be on the tracks. so three people have been killed after being struck by a train near brixton in south london. we don‘t
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know when exactly, but reports went to british transport police at half past seven this morning. detective superintendent garry richardson from british transport police says this. "my team is working hard to understand what happened and how these three people came to lose their life on the railway. my thoughts are with the family and friends of the three, but this —— at this time we are treating the death as explained as we make a number of immediate inquiries. anybody that was near to loughborough junction which is near brixton this morning and saw something they think might be relevant please contact us as soon as be relevant please contact us as soon as possible. "train services obviously have been delayed. we will have more on that as soon as we get it and more on newsroom life after 11. next, cancer patients who‘ve had a breast removed are being refused vital reconstructive surgery due to nhs rationing. according to charity breast cancer now, nearly a quarter of nhs services in england are restricting women‘s access to this surgery for non—clinical reasons. some are putting a limit on how long
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women have to decide they want a reconstruction. others are denying women the chance to have their healthy breast operated on to achieve symmetry. well, let‘s talk about this now with fiona hazell from breast cancer now, which has done this research. also with us isjo waterman, who had surgery for breast cancer last year, and is now being told she can‘t have surgery on her other breast. and dr fiona macneill is a consultant breast surgeon and joins us from birmingham. good morning, all of you. hello. go, very nice to meet you. tell us about operation you had in your breast first of all ——jo, operation you had in your breast first of all —— jo, very nice to meet you. i had a therapeutic mastectomy, basically had about half my breast removed. and then had the remaining tissues reshaped into a breast, so i do have my own breast andl breast, so i do have my own breast and i was able to keep my own nipple, which is great, but now of a
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breast that is obviously about half the size of the other one. what have you asked for and what have you been refused? i haven't actually been refused? i haven't actually been refused yet. i am in the process of applying but i have been warned it is quite unlikely it will be granted the funding, but what i would like is to have balancing surgery which would be surgery on my healthy breasts to reduce it, make it the same shape and size as the breast i have had the breast cancer in. can you explain to our audience why that is important, because some might say, look, you have got rid of the cancer, you are alive and well. why do you need something that may be considered to be cosmetic? fiona hazell, absolutely. i don't think it is cosmetic. i think it is some women should have access to. when i look in the mirror, i don't want breast cancer to be the first thing i think. i would like to be able to go shopping and buy swimsuits and underwear and things without it having to be specialist, so to speak. i currently wear what they
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call her shell prosthesis which fits over and underneath my breast to evenit over and underneath my breast to even it up. i'd like to not wear that, ideally. and i don't think it is cosmetic. i think it is about pa rt of is cosmetic. i think it is about part of completing your treatment. it is not what every woman wants, i know that, but i think women should have access to it. fiona hazell, from breast cancer now, good morning. what other nice guidelines when it comes to clinical commission groups when it comes to this kind of surgery? yellowknifer very clear women should be offered immediate reconstruction, but the guidance also says women should have access to the right reconstruction surgery for them at the time they need it -- yes, it is very clear that women should be offered immediate reconstruction. hundreds of patients, their access to the right surgery patients, their access to the right surgery is restricted, they are not being allowed to access they really need when they need it. they are getting in some cases not accessed —— they are not in some cases
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getting access to balancing surgery, an important part of the reconstruction process. wires that happening? it is unclear exactly why. we are concerned it might be as a result of the huge financial pressures the nhs are under —— why is that happening? but what we would really like to see today is that all i ccgs across england adopt the guidance published today by ourselves that really clearly state and guide that all women who want reconstructive surgery have access to it at the time that they need, irrespective of where they live, and thatis irrespective of where they live, and that is really really critical for their return to life after breast cancer, as jo said. let me bring in doctor fiona macneill if i may, co nsulta nt doctor fiona macneill if i may, consultant breast surgeon. nhs england has recently issued advice saying this kind of surgery "should be available without time restriction." how do you respond to this research, which suggests nearly a quarter of these groups are
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restricting the time?” a quarter of these groups are restricting the time? i think that isa very restricting the time? i think that is a very important question, victoria. i think amongst some of the ccgs there is confusion as to what is cosmetic surgery and what is on plastic reconstructive surgery, and we hope these guidelines go a long way towards explaining the difference. on—call plastic reconsiders the —— oncoplastic surgery for those women who wanted is absolutely essential for restoring their body image, regaining their sexuality, to embark on an oncoplastic surgery process them not to be able to complete it with balancing surgery does not seem right, though i hope these guidelines will go along long way to correcting that. but do you think it is an issue of money, or is it a misunderstanding, and perhaps thinking that this balancing surgery is something to do with cosmetic,
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you know, procedure, orvanity? is something to do with cosmetic, you know, procedure, or vanity? yes, i think it is, because often the balancing surgery is exactly as our patient has said, is therapeutic mammal plastic, and that is an operation that is normally associated with purely cosmetic breast surgery. i think it is about explaining what is that kind of reconstructive surgery. they should know that, should they? we hope they guidelines will help them understand that. clearly there are a number of factors that state. understanding what is right for women when they needed, and training and support for clinicians to help them make informed choices, but also to make sure policies it being put in place because of financial pressures. this treatment of reconstructive surgery isa treatment of reconstructive surgery is a fundamental part of breast cancer treatment and has been for yea rs cancer treatment and has been for years and this is really concerning
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backward step and it is important patients get advice to the clinical and all treatment they need and are not at the sort of, you know, at the burden of policies put in place for financial reasons. you said you have applied to have this balancing surgery. applied to have this balancing surgery. if you don‘t get it, what will you do, jo? i will get on with living my life, i guess. i don't know if there is an appeals procedure. i feel very strongly that women shouldn't be put off from applying. but if you went to a different region, there may be a policy in place where you could have it as soon as you wanted? is likely. the situation at the hospital i was treated at, it is on the border between dorset and somerset, so i had fantastic air from yeovil district hospital, whoever they are ina unique district hospital, whoever they are in a unique situation, it would probably not unique, where half of their patients live in somerset, so therefore you have to apply, and the likelihood is that the funding is not approved, but if i lived in dorset or it to my gp lived in
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dorset, there would be no issue. they would be no application process. it would just be a discussion, and they would be able to move forward and have surgery. i think this is an unnecessary hurdle ata time think this is an unnecessary hurdle at a time when women are quite often feeling quite vulnerable, at the end of treatment. you have been through off a lot, and then suddenly this is another hurdle that is put there, at another hurdle that is put there, at a time when things may be quite difficult. yeah, and apart from that, are you well? yes, i am cancer free, so great. amazing to hear that. thank you so much for coming on the programme. thank you very much, jo. jo waterman. 90 very much, fiona hazell, breast cancer now, and doctor fiona macneill, consultant breast surgeon, joining us from birmingham. thank you for your many m essa g es birmingham. thank you for your many messages on so many different subjects today. we are with me while i get them up. this is... quite a lot of these are about gaming. sorry about this. it is so slow. this
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it is so slow. text says my son was addicted to gaming, "playing games with people he knew who were older than him. he was 15 and wouldn‘t go to school. he would have panic attacks and the violently sick if we try to get into school. those caught "i was diagnosed with breast cancer in november in even though i believe this had an effect on his mental health, i honestly believe gaming was the main cause." i contacted the education officer and she put onto a child psychologist who was bullied and got him onto going out for walks and got him onto going out for walks and undergoing an game for short periods. close quote "he was then offered a place in a community school. "he has now taken his exams and is more sociable with both family and friends." very pleased to hear that. this on cannabis... " why does the uk government produced 93 tonnes of cannabis power and under medical license to be exported yet to be in the uk are unable to access medical marijuana? double standards. decriminalise, regulate and tax. you
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can order weed quicker than a pizza in most uk cities." so many comments to date, thank you for getting in touch corrie really appreciate it. we read them but we just don‘t necessarily have time to read them are led —— getting in touch because we really appreciate it. we‘re back at nine o‘clock tomorrow. see them. bbc newsroom live is next. good morning. we started off with a fairamount of good morning. we started off with a fair amount of cloud but it is thinning and breaking up and places to give us some sunshine. it will feel quite warm this afternoon. in that sunshine. this is darker shirtless or chemical from our weather watcher, lovely blue skies, and equally across northern, particularly northeastern angered, says east anglia, pretty warm. further west, increased limits of cloud. some mist and drizzle in coastal areas. showers on a rather
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strong wind, but temperatures into the mid—20s across the south—east. through the night, lots of cloud. temperature is no lower than about 15-18d, temperature is no lower than about 15—18d, quite an uncomfortable night for sleeping. further north, with clear spells, those temperatures down to about 9—11d. tuesday, quite a lot of cloud on. some showers likely for england and wales, but more persistent rain moving into northern ireland and the west of scotland. amateurs across northern areas again for the further south, and —— 14—18 in the north, lower down once again on the 20s. goodbye. this is bbc news, and these are the top stories developing at 11am. the £20 billion cash
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