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this is bbc news. i'm shaun ley. the headlines at 10pm: mps are about to vote on whether to approve a third runway at heathrow airport. they have begun voting within the last few minutes. we should know the result in ten minutes or so. our other headlines at 10pm: the lead firefighter in the initial response to the grenfell fire says he wasn't trained how to evacuate people from a burning tower block. and the government decides to reject a scheme to build a tidal power lagoon in swansea bay. mps are voting right now on the
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future of heathrow. the decision they are making as we can see right now in the house of commons, the debate has been going on all afternoon. impassioned speeches on both sides of the argument, in particularly from backbenchers. the former trade manager who resigned at the end of last week in order to honour a pledge to his voters to oppose the third runway, and on the labour sidejohn oppose the third runway, and on the labour side john mcdonald he oppose the third runway, and on the labour sidejohn mcdonald he was shadow chancellor and although labour officially opposes the expansion, spoke saying his constituents would see villages swept away and the dead have to be moved in order to make way for a third runway. the spotlight is on foreign secretary borisjohnson, who vowed to lie in front of bulldozers to stop expansion, but is missing the vote
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because he's abroad. his absence means he won't have to vote against the government. it would have led to him being sacked as foreign secretary. he said it would have been pointless for him to resign because he would, he says, that would have been there were achieved nothing and he can have more impact by staying in the government and influencing it from the inside. our political correspondent, ben wright is at westminster. it's a curious argument because misterjohnson seems to say he can have more impact on the decision but it will have already been made tonight. yes, and that is one reason i think tonight. yes, and that is one reason ithinka tonight. yes, and that is one reason i think a number of tory mps have been pretty incredulous over the last 2a hours or so, knowing boris johnson was swerving any political difficulty around this vote. his allies would probably say he always
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made it clear to the prime minister that if this issue ever came to a vote in the commons that he could never backed it and he took the job as foreign secretary with that condition fairly understood on all sides. and yet you see somewhere like the man who resigned as trade minister last week in order to fulfil his promise that he made at the election to his constituents that he would always back a project that he would always back a project that he would always back a project that he thinks is fundamentally flawed and in the speech she made the comments i think there was appointed dig at mps who don't honour their election promises. that was picked up by a number of labour mps who shouted, where's boris, across the chamber. what about the divisions in the parties over this. we had labour being original supporters of this when they were in government. david cameron then said no ifs, no buts, no third runway, which was a position that conservatives carried on into the
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coalition. then they changed their minds on heathrow. meanwhile we have the snp whose government in scotland supports the expansion of heathrow, thinks there would be benefits of scottish airports, but the snp in westminster are deciding to sit on their hands tonight. that is a brilliantly pithy description of the journey this issue has taken. it has gone through british politics like a wonky shopping trolley, to use a phrase borisjohnson wonky shopping trolley, to use a phrase boris johnson might wonky shopping trolley, to use a phrase borisjohnson might have used today if he was in the commons which he wasn't. it has been strange and fascinating to watch. it was first proposed by labour at the turn of the millennium will stop at that point dave redcurra nt‘s the millennium will stop at that point dave redcurrant‘s tory party was very opposed to it. then with the coalition in power and the davis review up and running it was clear momentum was shifting towards the third runway at heathrow option. what changed the dynamics again was
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the election of jeremy what changed the dynamics again was the election ofjeremy corbyn to the leadership of the labour party. he has never particularly liked this idea and so we have this strange situation today with labour giving their mps situation today with labour giving theirmpsa situation today with labour giving their mps a free vote so they can do what they want, but the leadership narrowly comprising john mcdonald, jeremy corbyn, are opposed to it, saying it doesn't need the labour pa rty‘s for test, saying it doesn't need the labour party's for test, the conditions it set for whether or not there should bea set for whether or not there should be a third runway. i think is labour's policy to expand heathrow but not like this at this time. but we're expecting dozens maybe even a hundred labour mps to take the opportunity of that free vote and vote with the government. thank you very much. we'll find out which way to wonky shopping trolley has gone inafew in a few minutes' time. we'll leave the house of commons there for now as we're about to be joined by viewers on bbc one for the late evening news with huw edwards.
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i'll be back later in the hour with reaction to the vote — that's after the news and sport. tonight, mps are voting on the highly controversial plan to build a third runway at heathrow, europe's busiest airport. business leaders say the expansion is vital for britain's future economic prospects. no ifs, no buts, no third runway! but there's opposition from environmental campaigners and from local people urging mps to listen to their concerns. we are losing those connections to other countries, and we're losing that investment that goes around those connections to other countries, and that's, madam deputy speaker, i think, a really important part of why this expansion is necessary. 4,000 homes will go, 8,000 to 10,000 people forcibly removed from their community. the biggest forcible move of human beings
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since the scottish highland clearances. the debate taking place tonight has divided political parties and public opinion for decades. mps are voting right now. labour says that even if the vote is carried, they might change the plans if they form the next government. also tonight, the fire officer leading the initial response to grenfell tower says he wasn't trained on some basic aspects of tackling fires in high—rise blocks. the national health service is 70 years old. this week, we're looking at its future and the quality of the care it provides. the duke of cambridge is in the middle east — after visiting jordan, he went on to become the first member of the royal family to make an official visit to israel. and at the world cup, a last—minute goal allows spain to claim a place in the last 16. and coming up in sportsday live from moscow later in the hour on bbc news, we'll have all the day's news, including world cup history made by an egyptian goalkeeper. good evening.
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the house of commons is voting on the highly controversial plans to build a third runway at heathrow, europe's busiest airport. business leaders and the government say expansion is essential for the uk's economic prospects, but environmental campaigners and many people living around heathrow are vehemently opposed. labour says it could scrap the scheme if it forms a government, and there could be other challenges, too. we'll explore those in a moment, but first our political editor laura kuenssberg reports. loud with protest today... no ifs, no buts, no third runway! ..but those sounds could be replaced with the thunder of passengerjets
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in the years to come. in this village on the western outskirts of london, parliament was urged to say no. i think what has happened is something that is a disgrace to any civilised country. it makes me feel completely disenfranchised more than anything else now. i meant they're just going to knock my house down, almost irrespective of what i want, what i say. theresa may, when we had the labour version of this, she was against it, as was philip hammond, another local mp. get into power, "oops, we've changed our mind!" after decades of wrangling, and those tory promises that it wouldn't happen, the government is onside to expand london's heathrow. it's really important that the promises we make about noise, about air quality, about the connections that are going to be provided elsewhere in the united kingdom are kept, are absolutely set in stone, so that when we get to the completion of this runway in the 2020s, the things we have promised today will be things that happen then. but not all ministers
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are on board, though. the foreign secretary found urgent business in afghanistan. he'd always vowed he would fight the project but was conveniently clocking up his own air miles. yes, flying around the world while objecting to expanding an airport. one of his colleagues quit the government rather than toe the party line. i think it's for every mp to justify to their own constituents. i made it clear pledge to the residents of chelsea and fulham just one year ago that not only was i opposed to a third runway at heathrow, but that i would be voting against it in parliament. remember, this is only the equivalent of outline planning permission. the vote's not about detailed flight paths or any final decision, but it has led to some re—styling already of the tory party headquarters. despite plenty of protests, most mps back the project, and big business is desperate to push on. businesses are interested in trade, they want to export, they want to grow in all parts
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of the country, the north east, north west, scotland — there are so many parts of the country that would benefit. so it's an investment, it's an investmentjust at a time when the world is watching us, and it would show that we are open for business. spades won't go into the ground for years, though, and parliament's backing might not last under another government. many labour mps support the project but... yes, we need airport capacity, yes, we need better connectivity between airports, we've put those tests down, they have not yet been met, so we will be voting against it. those who want to build are almost certain to win tonight, but possible legal action beckons long before detailed plans emerge. this may be the last time that mps have their say, but on heathrow it certainly won't be the final word. this is a serious decision for parliament to take, mps are filing
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back into the commons now, and we may have the result within the next few minutes, but there has today been an element of pantomime around all of this, notjust because it is awkward for both of the main parties, the cars there are people who simply do not agree, but also because of the absence of one of the arch critics of heathrow, foreign secretary borisjohnson. for much of the day, westminster was engaged today getting game, trying to work out where he could be that had taken him away on such a critical vote for the government. the turned up, of all places, in afghanistan. partly somewhere you would just pop a way to avoid an embarrassing vote in parliament, and i am told is tomorrow a critical meeting in whitehall could even approve more british troops being sent there to help train the afghans with security. but while he was away, it is very likely the government will have got its weight in a vote. this is not, however, the end of the
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story. parliamentarians have been debating this for years, but even if there is a rubber stamp that we expect in the next few seconds or so, it is not the end of the story — very much still a long haul ahead. laura, thanks once again, laura kuenssberg at westminster. despite tonight's vote, there are still a number of hurdles for the government to overcome before building starts. there are questions about the environmental impact. a forthcoming report into the uk's climate change policy. will assess aviation emissions. there are expected to be a number of legal challenges from local councils and campaigners. and the construction project will be a huge logistical task. aside from the demolition of several villages, the m25 motorway will have to be re—routed. the timetable could well slip, but under the current plans building is expected to start in 2021 and will be completed by 2025 or 2026 at the earliest. we should get that vote in a few
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minutes' time, but before that we canjoin our minutes' time, but before that we can join our transport correspondent victoria fritz at heathrow to talk us victoria fritz at heathrow to talk us through some of the indications of the decision. well, you have said it all there, so many obstacles ahead, but when mps we re many obstacles ahead, but when mps were first discussing building heathrow back in 1943, they were worried about building on land that was used at the time to grow vegetables. heathrow would be wondering if life could be as simple. no—one would suggest building a major airport from scratch so close to a residential area, by the most congested junction of the busiest motorway in the uk, but heathrow has become a victim of its own success. it is very much all about economies of scale and about building on those, but opponents would argue, yes, but at what cost? victoria, thank you, victoria fritz
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for us at heathrow with the very latest. let's have a quick look inside the commons, they have just been boating. let's listen for a second. even though this was a monument of ian porter and vote, the house has had but less than four hours of track this to make contributions. —— a monumentally important vote. is that acceptable given how important the vote was? justine greening referring to the fa ct justine greening referring to the fact that the vote has been announced, as expected, the house of commons has voted in favour of the highly controversial expansion at london's heathrow airport, europe's busiest airport, those votes will be confirmed in a moment, but it has been announced that the vote is in favour of expanding heathrow and building that third runway at heathrow airport, and we will have more details for you on that a little later on. at the grenfell inquiry, the firefighter who led the first response to the fire said
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he couldn't remember receiving any training on when to order the evacuation of tower blocks. michael dowden was forced to admit, repeatedly, that he was unaware of the risks to the tower and had no idea that fires could spread through cladding. his evidence has raised serious questions about london fire brigade's procedures and training on tower blocks, as our special correspondent lucy manning reports. 720 firefighters, 140 fire engines, and many stories of bravery that night. but the fire brigade's having to answer for its failure to tell people to leave their flats. the evidence i shall give... michael dowden was one of the first firefighters at grenfell tower and in charge for the first hour. today it was soon clear he didn't have the right training. did you ever receive any specific training on how to evacuate people from high floors in high—rise blocks who had mobility difficulties? not that i can recall, no. government and fire brigade
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guidelines did suggest commanders could change the stay—put policy and consider evacuations, but mr dowden appeared unaware. what training did you ever receive? he paused for 17 seconds. as a commander, i can't remember a time that i'd actually been on a training course that would facilitate that. did anyone give you any help or advice in understanding when it might be necessary to have a full evacuation? i don't think i've ever had any input from any individual. he accepted he hadn't done all of the fire—safety checks when he'd visited grenfell tower the previous year, angering families by admitting he hadn't examined fire doors, escape routes, or the new exterior panels. he also revealed they'd never practised on high—rise buildings, and he hadn't known about his bosses' fears
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about combustible cladding. do you think you would be able to identify a cladding fire if you saw one? no, i wouldn't be able to identify a cladding fire because i didn't know at that point that that was being used as a building material. in his written witness statement, mr dowden said when he arrived at the fire, he was quickly out of his comfort zone and was having to make decisions he had never made before. but he said, "we did all we could, we were all exhausted and did our best." mr dowden didn't feel well enough to continue his evidence today. he's left serious questions for the fire brigade and the way it trained its firefighters. lucy manning, bbc news. a brief look at some of the day's other other news stories. thousands of iranians have marched through the streets of tehran to protest against the government's economic policies and rising prices. protesters demanded that iran stop its foreign interventions
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in syria and elsewhere and instead concentrate on the economic crisis at home. harley—davidson says it plans to move production of motorbikes intended for sale in europe out of the us in order to avoid retaliatory eu tariffs. last week, brussels imposed duties of 31% in response to president trump's measures against eu steel and aluminium. harley—davidson says moving production overseas was the only way to keep its motorbikes accessible to customers in europe. in italy, the interior minister, matteo salvini, has called for reception centres for asylum seekers to be set up on libya's southern border to stop migrants from crossing the mediterranean. 0ur europe editor, katya adler, is in rome ahead of the summit. how will this go down? well, there are two things here,
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huw, one, eu attitudes towards matteo salvini's idea, and the other is eu attitudes to matteo salvini as the figurehead of the populist government. as an idea, having processing centres in africa, allowing the eu to distinguish between economic migrants who in theory would be sent back home and those with a right to asylum or refugee status who would be allowed into europe, is not new. a while back, emmanuel macron of france said processing centres should be set up in libya, because of course these days libya is the go to place in africa for migrants to come to do wa nt to africa for migrants to come to do want to get on eight smuggling boat to europe. but of course libya remains largely lawless, and you'd have to ask permission from its neighbours, so it is complicated. there are also human rights concerns. even if eu leaders sign up to this idea at the summit, it can't happen overnight, it is not a
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magical solution to the migrant crisis. but in fact have more mainstream eu leaders like emmanuel macron and angela merkel who question whether matteo salvini is sincere in wanting to solve the migrant crisis. he wins so many political points with it at home, so while across europe like—minded, tough on migration, or nationalist politicians applaud him, others in the eu look at matteo salvini and his ideas with suspicion. katya adler, thank you, with the latest in rome. over the last year, there have been growing concerns about the number of students taking their own life at university. now, for the first time, detailed estimates in higher education have been revealed. they suggest 95 students took their own lives between july 2016 and july 2017. but the student suicide rates are actually lower than those in the general population. chi chi izundu reports. i certainly know more students that have had mental health difficulty than have not.
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i've got friends that have had anxiety, some quite bad depression... i don't think a student should have to go and end up on tablets. especially being president of the students' union, some days i'm on the phone with some students who are crying, basically. students at birmingham city university giving us a snapshot of their experience of mental health problems. a situation that is reflected nationwide. but with the recent increased media reporting on university mental health and suicide, there's been an impression a substantial rise in such student deaths has been happening. since the 1950s, there have been very few comprehensive pieces of research on student suicide. in fact, up until recently, statistics couldn't even give us detail on things like age clusters, whether that person was undergrad or postgrad, or even allow us to compare that same age group with those that didn't go into higher education. but these new 0ns figures have tried to get that detail. the data suggest the large
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majority of suicides were among undergraduates. since the year 2000, of the students who died by suicide, two thirds were men. and the research estimates that the number of students who took their own lives was lower than the national average of the same age. the 0ns warns the research comes with caveats for a number of reasons, including the focus being solely on higher education students, and the small numbers per year make it difficult to identify statistically significant differences. but 95 deaths are still 95 deaths. the figures do suggest that the number of student suicide and the rate of student suicides has been higher in the last four years. i think universities still have quite a long way to go before the campuses are a mentally healthy place, and to be fair to the universities i think they have realised that, and there are some initiatives under way now to make sure that students are properly supported. one of the major steps was actually being open and to say, "i have depression, and i have tried to take my life." students have told us how increasing pressures are impacting
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on their mental health, students just like chris coombs, who, 11 years ago, was discovered mid—attempt by a family member. you are told that university is the time of your life and these are the friendships you'll hold onto forever and all the rest of it, and this is your, you know, first steps into the big wide world of adult life. and you can't do it. you have this expectation that you should be able to deal with this. when that doesn't happen, it's very difficult to then turn around and say, "actually, i've got a problem here," particularly when you're 18. now 29, chris is back at university and says this experience is a very different one. you're starting from a position when you're down there of suicide is the only option. but if you get the right support, the right help, other options become available, tolerable, you know, palatable. "0h, actually, i might be able to do that." life's good? life's very good.
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chi chi izundu reporting there. and if you would like information regarding issues raised by that report , you can go to bbc.co.uk/actionline, or call for free to hear recorded information on 08000155 998. the government at westminster has decided not to support plans for a tidal lagoon costing £1.3 billion in swansea bay. developers say the project would generate enough clean energy to power 155,000 homes. but the business secretary, greg clark, told mps that the scheme didn't represent value for money. let's talk to our correspondent, and how much of the blow was this for those that have been planning in that area? there has been a furious reaction tonight from opposition politicians in wales. the project would have involved a six mile sea
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wall stretching out behind me, it was to be a pilot with five acre lagoon is planned. the first minister, who had backed the project and pledged £200 million towards the scheme, has called the rejection a crushing blow to wales and uk ministers have been accused of a com plete ministers have been accused of a complete lack of ambition. there had been cross—party support for the scheme here including from the conservatives in the welsh assembly and disappointment from within the party tonight. an independent review published a report 18 months ago that had been supportive of tidal lagoons but the decision had always rested in westminster and today the uk government said the figures did not add up and it did not provide value for money. the company behind it had been working on it since 2012 and said they putting revised costs, but a grasp roots level as well there has been disappointment not just from the company. local
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businesses felt this lagoon would have brought significant leisure and tourism benefits. thank you for the reaction in swansea bay and beyond. the national health service is 70 years old, and this week bbc news is looking at the past and future of the health service and the quality of the care it provides. tonight, an exclusive study, carried out by four leading research organisations for the bbc, has found that while the nhs is world—leading in ensuring people are protected from financial hardship when they need treatment, its main weakness is improving outcomes for people, with some of the deadliest conditions such as cancer and heart disease. the research also finds that the nhs has fewer doctors, nurses, hospital beds, and ct and mri scanners than other comparable countries. 0ur health editor, hugh pym, has the details. i went upstairs, i woke my wife up and i said to her, "i think i might be having a heart attack." we have fewer staff,
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we have fewer hospital beds than other countries. i feel really proud to be a nurse and really proud to work for the nhs. 0ur nhs — staff, patients, all of us, free health ca re for everyone. and according to the report, that's where it's ahead of other health systems. you'll always get treated without paying. just done your blood pressure, it's absolutely fine... mahmet had chest pains early one morning. just a few hours later, he'd had an emergency procedure. i was seen pretty much straightaway. they established i'd had a heart attack. they said it wasn't a minor heart attack, it was quite a major heart attack. right from the beginning, the 999 call all the way through to the ladies that come and changed the bed about ten minutes ago, it's all been absolutely fantastic. i can't say a bad word about the nhs. it's been superb. it wasn't his nearest hospital but he was brought 50 miles by ambulance to have treatment here because of the
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expertise on offer. hospitals like this one, saint bartholomew's, provide specialist centres for dealing with patients with heart conditions across a wider area of london. but the performance of the nhs more generally, when it comes to treating people after heart attacks, is not as good as it is in some other healthcare systems. take the number who don't survive a heart attack. the report says the uk has one of the highest death rates within 30 days of admission to hospital. canada is doing the best, with the lowest death rate. come and have a stand up. that's lovely. for strokes, too, the nhs isn't doing as well as it could. the performance is improving and patients like dennis are well looked after. left leg with me, dennis... his rehab is on track after a stroke affected his speech and mobility,
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