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tv   Victoria Derbyshire  BBC News  June 26, 2018 9:00am-11:00am BST

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hello, it's tuesday, it's nine o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme more money to be spent on defence — that's what mp5 on an influential committee are calling for if britain is to maintain its influence on the world stage. but can the uk afford it? we've hollowed out our armed forces so we've hollowed out our armed forces so deeply, it's a major problem. our intelligence remains good, our cyber capability is growing, but our navy is very weak. also — from avoiding an unwanted pregnancy to not being able to have children, from heavy periods to severe menopausal symptoms, how does your reproductive health affect your day to day life? in the first report of its kind, 7000 british women have revealed the impact it has, and we've brought together a group of them in the studio today. my my name is andreia, i am 35 and i was diagnosed with infertility when
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i was just was diagnosed with infertility when i wasjust i7. was diagnosed with infertility when i wasjust 17. being was diagnosed with infertility when iwasjust 17. being born was diagnosed with infertility when i was just 17. being born without a uterus and a vagina has affected my whole life, from my relationship with myself, with partners, family and society. lam dora, i and society. lam dora, lam 50, iwas and society. i am dora, i am 50, i was diagnosed with endometriosis when i was 19 and it has affected the whole of my aduu it has affected the whole of my adult life. professionally and personally. you can join us via skype orface time personally. you can join us via skype or face time if you want to share your experience. send me an email — victoria@bbc.co.uk prince william continues his tour of the middle east, becoming the first royal to make an official visit to israel and the palestinian territories. he visited the holocaust museum earlier this morning and will meet the israeli president and prime minister in an hour's time. and in a country where talking openly about sexual assault is taboo, we'll be hearing from the 29—year—old who shocked japan by speaking out about an alleged rape by a well—known tvjournalist — here she describes being interviewed by police. i had to lie down on the floor
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and they brought this big—size doll and they were putting it on me and moving on me and asking me, was it like this, was it like that? and they had to take a photo of this, and it was just a humiliating experience. hello. welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. just before 10am we will bring you a full weather forecast. it would appear this baking hot weather is going to last until the weekend. this morning we really want to hear from you about women's helath — results of a big study out today found that women across all ages are affected by reproductive health issues, with some 80% reporting unwanted symptoms — from inferility to really bad period
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pain to heavy bleeding severe menopause symptoms and infertility. use the hashtag #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. we can also talk to you via skype all facetime. we look forward to talking to you in a few minutes. our top story today... mps have warned that the uk must significantly increase spending on the armed forces if britain is to maintain its defence relationship with the united states and other nato allies. the government insists it will continue to exceed nato's 2% spending target, but the house of commons defence committee says britain needs to spend billions of pounds more on defence to respond to what it describes as "intensified threats". let's talk to our political guru norman smith. why do they want even more, and have
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we got the money? they want more because they take the view we have reached decision time in terms of what sort of country we are in terms of the amount of power we can project, whether we want to be a leading military power any more whether we are happy to let that slide away. the view of mps is over the past eight years or so we have hollowed out our military, there has been an attrition and defence capability and we have to decide whether we will carry on with that oi’ whether we will carry on with that or turn it whether we will carry on with that orturn itaround. whether we will carry on with that or turn it around. if we want to turnit or turn it around. if we want to turn it around them they say you would have to increase the amount of cash we give the mod by about 50%, increasing the proportion of our national income we give to the military from 2% to 3%. in cash terms, that would mean giving the military about the same increase that mrs may has talked about giving the nhs, about £20 billion. an absolutely huge amount of money, which is why i suspect within the treasury there has been a collective
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gasp of horror at the thought that philip hammond can find another £20 billion when he is struggling to find the £20 billion mrs may has promised for the nhs. there are some in government who are pretty irked, angry and fed up with the antics of the defence secretary gavin williamson, who they think has tried to pressurise mr hammond and the prime minister by reportedly threatening to break her if she does not give him the money. a real resista nce not give him the money. a real resistance building up towards mr williamson, so it seems to me that getting this money will be an almighty big ask. cheers, norman. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. the owners of heathrow airport say they're confident they can press ahead with plans to build a third runway, despite the threat of legal action by the environmental group, greenpeace, and several london boroughs. the commons overwhelmingly backed the project last night, after more labour mps supported the government than backed jeremy corbyn, who opposes heathrow‘s expansion. the runway is due to open in 2026.
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those who support the plans say the expansion is vital for britain's future economic prospects. the british car industry says that investment has fallen sharply in the past year, because of uncertainty about brexit. the society of motor manufacturers and traders said investment dropped from £647 million in the first half of 2017, to £347 million in the same period this year, and it's urged the government to rethink its policy of leaving the customs union. the uk's health service is lagging behind other countries when it comes to treating common killers including heart attacks and some cancers. that's according to an independent report produced for the bbc. nhs england says it's ready to address the issues "head—on," and that the report highlights many areas of outstanding care. 0ur health correspondent dominic hughes reports. as the nhs approaches its 70th birthday, four major think tanks have posed the question —
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just how good is our health service? the answer seems to be "not bad, but could do better". when compared to 18 other industrialised countries, a relatively efficient nhs does well in areas such as protecting people from the financial burden of illness. but when it comes to health outcomes, it's less impressive. when treating eight out of the 12 most common causes of death — such as lung cancer or heart attacks — performance is worse than average. the uk has a lower number of doctors, nurses and other medical staff per head of population and the lowest levels of both ct and mri scanners — important for diagnosing illneses. given what we spend, we're 0k, but we could definitely do better. it is very clear from our report that outcomes could be improved. we are very efficient, we spend very little on management costs, but we could spend more money well and effectively and improve the outcomes for people. this report reveals an nhs that is perhaps no longer
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the envy of the world. a health service that is running on scarce resources in terms of staff and equipment, with health outcomes that in some areas are poor. police injamaica have arrested a man in connection with the suspected murder of a retired british couple. charlie and gayle anderson, who moved to the island from manchester a year ago, were found dead at their home on friday. jamaican police say a man was detained on saturday in the capital, kingston. please, please speak. speak to the authorities, i know you might be scared but reach out to them, tell them everything you know. we know that you must know details. it's a small community up there. everybody knew my grandad and my grandma as well. they gave back to you, i know how much you all love them, so please, please bring these people to justice. breaking news from police scotland,
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who are repealing for help to find a missing nine new world girl in glasgow. she is skye doherty, she was last seen at around quarter past nine yesterday. —— a missing nine—year—old in glasgow. she is slim build, blue eyes, blonde hair, she was last seen wearing a black jacket, lack leggings and black trainers. 0fficers jacket, lack leggings and black trainers. officers from the drumchapel police station say she has never been known to leave home alone without anybody knowing where she was going, she does not have a mobile phone and is not believed to have any money with her. so that's appealfrom have any money with her. so that's appeal from police scotland have any money with her. so that's appealfrom police scotland is have any money with her. so that's appeal from police scotland is to trace nine—year—old skye docherty. prince william will meet the israeli president and prime minister today as he continues his historic tour of the middle east. these are the latest pictures of him arriving at the yad vashem holocaust memorial and museum in jerusalem. this is the first official royal visit to israel
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and the palestinian territories. he'll meet the palestinian president tomorrow. 0ur correspondent yolande knell is in jerusalem now. tell us more about this stage of the visit and what prince william has said? this is the first official engagement for prince william on the israeli leg of his trip. the first visit here by a british rail on an official visit in the 70 year history of israel. he is that yad vashem, asking lots of questions, we understand, as he goes around. he has spoken to holocaust survivors here and in a short time he will pass to the hall of remembrance, where he will lay a wreath. he will get to explore some of his personal collection... connection to jerusalem with his great—grandmother princess alice of greece, her name
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appears on the list of righteous among the nations because in nazi occupied athens she played an important role, hiding a jewish family during the time of the holocaust. from here, he goes on to the political part of his trip, meeting the prime minister and president and then off to jaffa where he will meet young arab and jewish israelis playing football together, the more fun part of the schedule where he gets to take part ina schedule where he gets to take part in a penalty shoot out with them. throughout this trip, whether on the israeli side all—weather tomorrow when he goes to ramada in the occupied west bank, it is really a chance for him to meet with young people and take part in cultural and sporting events. —— when he goes across to ramallah. kensington palace says the trip is nonpolitical, as royal visits always are, but it will be extremely difficult for the prince to keep it
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like that. everything is carefully choreographed, but speaking to israeli and palestinian officials they point out that this place is highly politicised, so people will scrutinise his every step and every comment. thank you very much, yolande knell injerusalem. four in every five women have experienced a reproductive health issue in the last year, a new survey has found. more than 7,300 women were questioned, aged 16 to 64, in the research by public health england. it found that 80% had suffered unwanted reproductive health symptoms in the past year such as heavy menstrual bleeding, severe menopausal symptoms or postnatal symptoms. more on that with victoria in a moment. the met office has issued a yellow health warning for heatwave conditions. the warning is in place between this morning and thursday evening — and comes as more high temperatures are forecast for later in the week. mark lobel reports. with temperatures predicted to rise above 30 celsius and outshine the sahara, it's set to be an unforgettably hot
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couple of days for residents and visitors alike at chester zoo. wallowing in the north west, there's an 80% chance of a heatwave there. but the opportunity to top up your tan does come with a health warning. those being told to take extra care include the elderly, young children, people with serious health conditions, and hay fever sufferers. the met office has issued this first health alert of the summer to prepare people for consecutive days and nights of extreme temperatures. it may not be the last. there are severe weather warnings across england, with a 60% chance of it occurring in the next two days in the north—east, west midlands and south—west. transport will be affected, too. rail delays are almost guaranteed, with tracks at risk of overheating. drivers have been warned of sticky, bumpy roads as scalding temperatures hit the tarmac.
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the met office and public health england are clear that with the hot temperatures lie dangers ahead. mark lobel, bbc news. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. in a moment we're going to talk to this group of women — and you wherever you are in the uk — about women's health. and also one man. from not being able to having children, to heavy period pains, to awful menopause symptoms — most women don't ask for help when they go through this. that is according to a big survey out today. why not? ehmer on twitter says a lifetime played with painful periods and now a difficult menopause, who would be a difficult menopause, who would be a woman?! laura says i am in my 20s andi a woman?! laura says i am in my 20s and i suffer from all of these things, albeit a chemically induced
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menopause and infidelity through cancer treatment. i use the word suffer because the effects of these issues are long—term and damaging, both physically and emotionally. esther says it took ten years for my diagnosis, endless doctors appointments, i was offered a hysterectomy, ended up going private and self funding £35,000 worth of surgery. doctors still will not touch me as i went private. these are isolating illnesses and, for me, one that is still so unknown. you can e—mail me or message us on twitter. let's get some sport now with tim hague. var is still dominating the world cup? it became farcical last night. the video assistant referee had a part in almost every key moment of the portugal vs iran match last night. the match ended i—i,
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with portugal progressing and iran heading home... but that isn't really the story this morning. let's show you some of the action. and the first half was relatively straight—forward, ricardo quaresma, putting the portuguese ahead with one of the goals of the tournament. brilliant. and then it all became a bit complicated. var was totally instrumental — cristiano ronaldo wasn't given a penalty for this, but then referee enrique caceres rightly reversed his decision and awarded the spot—kick, which ronaldo then missed. he's human after all! four goals in the tournament so far for him, not five. and then the whole of portugal held its breath as var was again consulted — many believe ronaldo was very lucky to avoid a red card for this apparent elbow. lettered friend. again! and then the most controversial decision of all, the clock is ticking down, iran are on the attack — they claim there was a handball, it looked very harsh at best, but referee caceras gave it! incidentally, egypt had already complained about this referee
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earlier in the tournament and former england captain alan shearer was not impressed by the ref, or what var is doing to the game. i thought one of the positives of var was that it would decrease play acting. if anything it has made it worse. it is pretty embarrassing. we saw pepe, we saw quaresma tonight, some behaviours are embarrassing. but the referee was hopeless. hopeless. the immortal words of alan shearer, victoria! and controversy in the spain game? yes, there really was. it was a chaotic ending to spain's match with morocco. and actually an injury time equaliser for the spanish allowed them to finish on top of the group, above portugal, thanks again to the video assistant referee! spain were 2—1 down
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when iago aspas scored a brilliant late goal, which was initially disallowed for offside. they were going to lose the game. but after the replays were studied spain got the draw, they finished top of the group. and the thoughts of many football fans summed up after the match by morocco's nordin amrabat. ican i can tell you what he said, but it was not very nice. —— i cannot tell you what he said. those results mean spain will face russia in the last 16, and portugal will take on group a winners uruguay — who beat the russians 3—nil yesterday. and that is it from me for now — should we really be testing technology in the biggest football tournament on the planet, victoria? i'd love to hear what the viewers think about it. it is not feel right to me. juvan studio i do not know if it is the technology, or how it is implemented. if you have a view, let me know. in what health officials say is the first of its kind, more than seven thousand women have
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revealed the impact of reproductive health on their lives and their ability to go about their daily activities. a major report by public health england has found that women's number one concern is avoiding an unwanted pregnancy. having an enjoyable sex life and managing painful and/or embarrassing symptoms came second and third. but the report found that women across all ages are affected by reproductive health issues, with some 80% reporting unwanted symptoms — from heavy bleeding, severe menopause symptoms and infertility. and despite the numbers affected, only half the women surveyed sought help. the report found women taking time off work because of reproductive health problems, and in many cases lying about why. let's talk about this with women who've been affected in one or way or another by the issues uncovered by this survey. and you too canjoin us wherever you are in the uk via skype or facetime — jst send us an email victoria@bbc.co.uk. let me intro you to andreia trigo, who was unexpectedly diagnosed
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with infertility aged 17 when she was told she had been born without a womb or vagina. jenny shaw—clark has been unable to have children, she's spent £40,000 on ivf and fertility treatments. victoria jeffrey is going through the menopause, angela kilcoyne has had debilitating painful periods since she was 13, dorette hanley—0sborne and jessica duffin have both had their lives turned upside down by endometriosis. endometriosis uk, patrick shervington is a patron of the british menopause society and dr sue mann is from public health england, she's a public health consultant in reproductive health. and behind this report today. welcome to you all. thank you for giving up some of your morning to be with this. jenny, one of the issues
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highlighted in this survey is infertility, which has affected you for the last ten years. how? when i was 209! started trying for children, obviously i did not know straightaway i was not able to have them —— when i was 29, i started. i found out i had a genetic condition, my eggs are not particularly good so it is hard to conceive due to the genetic factor. i did not know that, i had started ivf and spent around £20,000 by the time i was about 34. they never said i could not have children, but it is very hard to conceive. i have also tried egg donation, that did not work. and the impact on you? itjust affects everything. you think about it every minute of every day. do you? yes, it is with you always. nowadays we also
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have social media, it is very hard to get away with it because it is p°ppin9 to get away with it because it is p°pping up to get away with it because it is popping up everywhere, somebody is having a baby. i think that is harderfor having a baby. i think that is harder for maybe this generation to cope with and there is a stigma and a shame around it that i feel lots of women i have met do not really talk about it, do not try and help each other. i think that is probably true of so many of the issues that we will talk about. even with close friends, women do not necessarily talk about this. andreia, you were 17 when you found out you could not have children. it was discovered you did not have a woman or a vagina, how did that come about? at 17th i developed, just as teenage girls do, because i do have hormones, so i we nt because i do have hormones, so i went to the doctor and they did a laparoscopy, they went to the doctor and they did a la pa roscopy, they put went to the doctor and they did a laparoscopy, they put this camera inside my tummy and they noticed i did not have a uterus or the top
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pa rt of did not have a uterus or the top part of my vagina, and that was completely devastating. i felt the floor underneath my feet vanish and the world around me was a blur. i did not know how to process these emotions. for me, initially i wanted to deal with what i could solve first, so i decided to have my vagina reconstructed, which was a very long process. going through university and having to deal with a vagina or reconstruction is a very traumatic experience. and while all those practical parts are sorted, having to cope with not being able to conceive is very difficult, so it affects your whole life. it is a wound that stays forever, it affects my identity as a woman. good enough? amla my identity as a woman. good enough? am i a woman? it affects my relationship with a partner, with
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family. my role in society. it is huge. i have always been very open because i want to break the stigma, because i want to break the stigma, because when you start talking about it somebody else will say me too, thatis it somebody else will say me too, that is when we feel less isolated. i wonder if i could bring in more of you, if i may? angela, hello. since the age of 13, you have had really heavy periods. you are in your early 405. has that been a big deal and, if so, explain why? it has, in a similar way to what we heard from dorette earlier it has affected every aspect of my life, really. the pain, the heavy bleeding, a55ociated symptoms like nausea, shakes, disturbed 5leep symptoms like nausea, shakes, disturbed sleep when it happens in the night, embarrassment about what you can choose to wear because you are worried that things will show up. ina are worried that things will show up. in a work and in a social situation can be really
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embarra55ing. situation can be really embarrassing. has that happened to you? yes, unfortunately. do you want to tell us? you don't have too.|j have had incidents where, because i have had incidents where, because i have had incidents where, because i have had such a heavy periods, blood has shown through on my clothing. it happened more so, i would say, when i was happened more so, i would say, when iwa5 an happened more so, i would say, when i was an adolescent. 0bviously happened more so, i would say, when i was an adolescent. obviously you are trying to discover your identity a nyway are trying to discover your identity anyway and you are self—conscious and so many things are going on, it wa5 horrendously embarra55ing. two other people it may not have been a big deal, but to me it seemed like a huge deal and it was mortifying and inhibiting. it affects your self—confidence, how you view yourself, practical things like taking changes of clothes or extra things when you are out and about. the pain and the heavy bleeding, for me, was something i did not feel able to discuss with people generally, other than perhaps very,
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very close friends. as you grew up, did you go to your gp for help, what wa5 did you go to your gp for help, what was the response? in my experience, andi was the response? in my experience, and i do not want to be unfair to the medical practice as a whole, but idid not the medical practice as a whole, but i did not receive empathetic understanding reactions at all, from the age of 13 onwards. what was of the age of 13 onwards. what was of the responses? often i was told fresh airand the responses? often i was told fresh air and exercise, don't be so ridiculous, every other woman deal5 with it, what is going on with you? it is not that big a deal. try this, that, the other. the advice was very limited. i was put on the pill at 16 to control it, which helped in a way de jager reduces the bleeding. yes, and it helps a bit with the pain, but not to the extent that i had been advised, so i was on that for years and years and years but then the impact of that is when i was at this stage... i had always wanted to
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bea mum, this stage... i had always wanted to be a mum, when we were trying for a baby i was worried because i had been on the pill for so long, and you read the statistics. i came off well in advance and we struggled with infertility. it may or may not be connected, i feel like with infertility. it may or may not be connected, ifeel like it with infertility. it may or may not be connected, i feel like it is. with infertility. it may or may not be connected, ifeel like it is. for over three years. it took a long time for that to happen. we do, find god, have a lovely little boy who was seven and a half, i am very lucky but it has a huge impact on other areas of your life. dorette and jessica, you both have endometriosis, i will ask you to briefly explain what that is, because some people watching will wa nt to because some people watching will want to learn more. endometriosis is when cells, very much like the cells that grow in the lining of the womb, grow in other places throughout your body. the problem with that is they also respond to the hormones, just as the lining of your womb does.
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what that means is that you get bleeding in areas where there is nowhere for the blood to go. so in my case i had endometriosis growing on my ovaries, i had its growing on my bowel, it grew through my bowel. it grew on to my u riether, the tube that goes from york kidney dent your bladder. it grew on my uretha. sol suffered heavy and very, very painful periods, and pain when i was not bleeding. that was not something i understood could happen. sol not bleeding. that was not something i understood could happen. so i am in pain allthe i understood could happen. so i am in pain all the time. can you describe that for the audience? about that is very difficult. i remember having my first period and wondering, is it supposed to hurt this much? i thought i was perhaps not very good at handling pain. it
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took a long time for me. were you bent double, did you have to go to bed? you are shaking, sweating and vomiting. you go to bed but it does not help. i was told take two paracetamol, it felt like eating smarties, it did not help. do you relate to this, jessica?|j definitely relate to this, jessica?” definitely agree that taking paracetamol... i am definitely agree that taking paracetamol... iam now definitely agree that taking paracetamol... i am now at a stage where i can, and it is helpful, but when i was younger and i did not have any respect for my body or know what was going on, i would take ten coding through the night and then go to work the next day. —— i would ta ke to work the next day. —— i would take ten. codeine i should not have been at work on ten codeine. i felt
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awful as the effects of it wore off. so the pain for me has been something that over several years i finally got to a manageable point, but the fatigue and the anxiety and depression which is not talked about as much with endometriosis is really what has taken their toll on my life and has really dramatically change the path that i have. we will talk more about the mental effects, the mental side of things. i wanted to bring in victoria. you are going through the menopause. you describe it as catastrophic. why?” was ignorant about the symptoms of the menopause. i relate to what you said, because i had very bad periods, and then ijust was aware things were changing, i used to be very good at sleeping and i started
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suffering from insomnia, depression, memory loss, irritability. basically not feeling myself, i would wake up like a bear with a sore head of the unpleasant people all day, and not just feeling like myself. not feeling like i could cope. and especially last year, my mother passed away and we had to clear out the house, and there were so many times i couldn't cope, not wanting to get out of bed, and i listen to a programme on radio 4 about the menopause when i was driving to work andl menopause when i was driving to work and ijust menopause when i was driving to work and i just burst menopause when i was driving to work and ijust burst into tears hearing this woman saying, i was a very capable businesswoman and then i just couldn't decide what pants to work, and that sounded like me. so sharing knowledge really helps you feel not so isolated. even if you said a summary, i'm so sorry being irritable, people only understand to a point. and ijust didn't feel like myself. it is a very strange feeling, and a new kind reach out sometimes and you don't feel that
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you get the help. wherever you are in the uk, you canjoin our conversation. you can message us on twitter, use the hashtag victoria live, and i will read some of your comments out as well. jenny, how low have you been, would you say, about the fact that you haven't been able to conceive? very low. you just can't even describe how low you can get. i'm at a point where i have been through a realjourney, so i am coming on the other side. but at times it has been awful, hell. and not having anyone to kind of have that to share with and be able to discuss it. it is good that there are groups now you can go on social media and stuff, but there is nothing nothing like talking to somebody one—on—one. nothing nothing like talking to somebody one-on-one. who else wants to talk more about the mental health side of things? you describe the
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physical symptoms, the debilitating pain in some cases, but what about what is going on in your head?” think this is when we are not meeting our reproductive goals, i think most people don't understand that going through the stages are called the stages of grief, so it is a natural process to go through the shock, the anxiety, the depression. all those things are normal feelings, so we shouldn't try to push them away and just acknowledge them as part of this natural process of healing inside. i think victoria what we find from talking to women with endometriosis and things, it is also the length of time women's symptoms are not listen to or taken seriously, takes an average of seven and a half years to get a diagnosis to get heavy menstrual bleeding recognise, yet 20% of women have heavy menstrual bleeding. and the impact of having symptoms that are not believed and you are having to
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go, because as a society we don't talk about these things, we don't listen to them for some reason, we don't think it is a proper illness if it is about your mental health, there is a lot of, low pain threshold, you are being a bit of a wuss, you are being flaky. and that can take several years sometimes, and we find that through surveys but sadly up to 80% of women who have endometriosis who have not been diagnosed find that they have depressive symptoms. in 35% felt suicidal at some point because of that. incredible, really shocking statistics. let me read some m essa g es statistics. let me read some messages from people listening to talk around the country. kelly says, i was diagnosed with endometriosis over eight years ago, and all that comes with it, including in my case infertility. to say this disease has had a huge impact on my life is an understatement. more awareness and research is needed into this, because it is notjust about period
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pains. rosanna says, i was diagnosed with mr kh at the age of 17, that is the absence of the womb. like most women with this condition, i have been affected psychologically. i have never had periods and i will never carry a baby. people keep it secret, and i feel like never carry a baby. people keep it secret, and ifeel like a never carry a baby. people keep it secret, and i feel like a freak. lisa says, i was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome aged 17. treatments have been limited, and i have severe prolonged bleeding which is debilitating. i bleed through clothes. i bleeding one day what the average woman bleeds in one week, yet i'm told i am normal. despite being hospitalised in the past for severe anaemia needing a blood transfusions. there is a taboo around discussing periods, and women are ignored and expected to be shamed into poor quality care. i have some more here. they are all pretty shocking. and this is what you have discovered from this huge survey, never been done before, 7000
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women. the kind of things women experience, the kind of silence that there is around many of these issues, and the lack of treatment. what we're hearing is striking, and it mirrors the findings from our research, so the scale of the problem, the range of the problem, four five problem, the range of the problem, fourfive women are problem, the range of the problem, four five women are experiencing a symptom, and one in three of those have something very severe, yet a minority are seeking help. and i think that is a result of so many different things. the impacts mentally, physically, but also socially, and at work. so i think it is really ha rd socially, and at work. so i think it is really hard for women to say, and we know it is hard for women to say to their employers, and actually more than half, less than half of our survey would have actually told the employer why they were off work if their symptoms cause them to be away. so i think there is an awareness thing, and i think we really wa nt awareness thing, and i think we really want to enable women more to be able to talk about these issues
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and to inform other people so it is more comfortable, i think, to seek help about. so have any of you, those who have talked about endometriosis and the menopause and period pains, have you ever said, you are now self—employed because of endometriosis, which we will talk about it. have any of you ever felt able to say to your line manager or your boss, i can't come in today, i am in serious pain because of my period or because of pain from endometriosis? never? you had time off? yes. so what have you said? i have said stomach bugs and things like that, because i had pain and was being sick. i worked in a very male dominated banking industry for several years, the management structure there wasjust several years, the management structure there was just not something i felt comfortable discussing something that i felt was very personal and intimate. was it a male line manager? yes, it was. had
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it been a woman, would you have talked about it? i don't know, it is interesting, i have had experience of discussing it with female bosses and not had a great response. i suppose that is the whole point of these kind of information gathering sessions, to hopefully make people feel they are not so isolated, that it does happen to lots of people and it does happen to lots of people and it is not something to feel a sense of shame and embarrassment, it shouldn't be a tabanou, it is a normal health issue and should be discussed and treated like that. patrick, ji—won to come in here. trustee of the menopause society. yes, thank you very much, one man amongst these many women. it makes you realise listening to these stories of embarrassment and stigma and shame, it is horrible that we are listening to it, all the things you go through, let alone depression and grief, pure, simple grief, at work, with the family, and itjust shows how important it is that men,
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many of us being woefully ignorant, that men should be involved more and have much more awareness and understanding and sympathy.” have much more awareness and understanding and sympathy. i think thatis understanding and sympathy. i think that is really important on the male side, because at school that example where girls are told about their periods, they are separated from the boys and told they are not to speak about it, and menstrual well—being isn't taught at school, it is something we think should be. menstrual well—being? something we think should be. menstrual well—being ? should something we think should be. menstrual well—being? should be taught in school? yes, the average age of starting period 9—11, some girls are as are as young as seven, and if all children aren't told about it, so it stops being a taboo and an embarrassing subject that girls are ridiculed over... is it the teacher's job to do that all mum and dad? i think it should be the teacher as well. why? because it is pa rt teacher as well. why? because it is part of what happens in society, it is how young children learn. it is also done in a manageable way. what
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we can't do is scare kids about their periods. it needs to be done in an open way. jessica, just explain why you gave up a job working for someone else in order to become self—employed and how it was related to your endometriosis. become self—employed and how it was related to your endometriosism become self—employed and how it was related to your endometriosis. it is kind ofan related to your endometriosis. it is kind of an ongoing joke in my life now that for a long time i thought that i was a weak person, that i was burning out all the time, so was exhausted and burn myself out through education, than i had a business, burn myself out through that, and! business, burn myself out through that, and i just business, burn myself out through that, and ijust kept thinking, i'm just weak or maybe i'm not cut out for this industry, or i'm not cut out for education. sol for this industry, or i'm not cut out for education. so i moved into the charity sector, and i had my symptoms returned during this time, so symptoms returned during this time, so this was after my first laparoscopy so this was after my first la pa roscopy and finding so this was after my first laparoscopy and finding out i had endometriosis, but nobody had told me about the disease, so i didn't know that fatigue was an issue, or ibs symptoms was an issue, or hormonal imbalances was an issue, so
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ijust thought hormonal imbalances was an issue, so i just thought it hormonal imbalances was an issue, so ijust thought it was related to the pain. so then when i started having, when i started having my symptoms return and then real exhaustion and fatigue and the anxiety associated with that, and the depression and low moods, i didn't understand what was going on, and it took me several years to work through that, but by that point, i had gone through one charity, i went to another one and i thought, maybe i am just burning myself out with charities, may be having this condition, i'm just too sensitive, i can't cope with dealing with other sensitive issues and my own. i moved into ajob with other sensitive issues and my own. i moved into a job that i thought i could cope with, but by that point, i couldn't finish sentences any more, i was forgetting... my fatigue was so bad, i was forgetting words, forgetting what i was saying. i would sit in meetings of thing, something is wrong with my brain. i'm losing my memory. because you were never told it was a symptom of endometriosis? yes, and!
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it was a symptom of endometriosis? yes, and i didn't realise how bad it could get. jackie says, i have suffered not being able to conceive forfour suffered not being able to conceive for four years. lastjune i suffered not being able to conceive forfour years. lastjune i had an operation to remove endometriosis and a cyst from ever is. after being and a cyst from ever is. after being a huge pain for about a year prior to this. just after the surgery, the surgeon advised me that i wanted to have children, i would need ivf, then he walked away. it destroyed me. i still don't know how i'm supposed to deal with that. ivf is not available to me on the nhs, so i can't have a child because i don't have enough money to get ivf privately. i have resigned myself to never being a mother, and ifeel like there is nowhere to turn. kay says, i suffered from the outset with 10—day heavy periods and the associated pain. i was often told by doctors that this would get better once i had a baby. not helpful at 15 yea rs once i had a baby. not helpful at 15 years old. 0nce married i quickly became pregnant and had a suspected ectopic pregnancy, and after a hospital investigation i was told my uterus was half the size it should be and that this could have been
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helped in the past if it had been investigated. my problems continued after the birth of both my daughters and eventually i had a hysterectomy. you said the survey shows that a minority of women seek help. you talked about the various reasons and we have talked about it here today. victoria, let me ask you, when you went to the gp to ask for help with the symptoms of the menopause, what was the response? i went three times, and the depressing thing is i saw female doctors, and they were not empathetic and not knowledgeable, and that surprised me, and! knowledgeable, and that surprised me, and i found it terribly upsetting. so i came away in tears the first time i went because i couldn't believe i had a woman sitting in front of me when i was in tears saying i can't cope, i don't know what is wrong with me, or hormonal thing wasjust catastrophic. i couldn't remember things, i thought i had alzheimer's or something because it escalates to your mind. and a woman sitting in front of me, you'd think a basic response would be to show some empathy. what was said to you? just,
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what you want to do about it? what your symptoms? well, it hrt. and that was it? that was it, and i did actually try hrt, and what happened was they didn't follow it up, so i felt let down, so once i started it, it wasn't working out for me, so rather than doing test in finding out whether i should try another one, i have come off it now because ididn't one, i have come off it now because i didn't get on with it at all. i feel at the moment the system let me down, and it was female doctors. there are some great female doctors. ijust there are some great female doctors. i just feel i there are some great female doctors. ijust feel i need to say that, because someone will message me, i'm just pre—empting a complaint.“ because someone will message me, i'm just pre-empting a complaint. if i could just add. you have an horrible experiences with male or female gps, primary care. the important thing of the british menopause society is that we educate, train, doctors to know more about it, and one of the very good things being on this programme, the nice guideline two
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years ago and diagnosis of the menopause, that was so important, because now it is in the open, and more and more doctors and nurses can be educated in menopause. so we are going in the right direction. ok. it is just going in the right direction. ok. it isjust a bit going in the right direction. ok. it is just a bit worrying when you go to the doctor and you feel you know more about it than them, and you're being told what information. that is terrible. that isjust being told what information. that is terrible. that is just a being told what information. that is terrible. that isjust a basic thing because i had done some research. the royal college of gps have agreed to do the royal college of gps have agreed todoa the royal college of gps have agreed to do a project on mental well—being thatjust kicking off, the aim with thatjust kicking off, the aim with thatis thatjust kicking off, the aim with that is to do some online tools and training for gps to try and raise the awareness. we had a call from a medical student at the other day, she was saying in her entire medical training, she had one—hour lecture, not even quite a full hour, on polycystic ovarian syndrome, etc, endometriosis, that was it. and she said, no one told me about this. it isa said, no one told me about this. it is a huge syllabus, but they are looking at that, and i'm hopeful that that will have a positive
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effect. victoria, two of you who said that she couldn't get ivf from an dimitrios is, under some guidelines that came out, nice guidelines that came out, nice guidelines last year, if someone is diagnosed with endometriosis and told they need ivf, they should go straight into the fertility service. they shouldn't have to wait, they shouldn't have to pay privately. and thatis shouldn't have to pay privately. and that is every trust around england and wales? that is under the nice guidelines. so if she wants to contact us, we will put her in touch. that is very helpful, thank you. you discover this in your survey, but interesting from the m essa g es survey, but interesting from the messages i'm getting today, but it is across the age spectrum, women in their 205, one from 69—year—old who suffered all her life, passing out asa suffered all her life, passing out as a child to a hysterectomy 45 leaving her with pain ever after. linda who is 48, since 13 when my period started, i have had different problems. from 13 to 21 they were irregular but the doctor would do nothing and said they would settle
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down. they stopped altogether until i saw down. they stopped altogether until isawa down. they stopped altogether until i saw a different doctor at 24 who put me on the pill to give me a regular bleed. during that time they got heavier, and then i was diagnosed with ed pollock which was removed in day surgery. things settle down for a few years, but four years ago they started getting heavier gun. i started getting dizzy spells, i was moody and it was affecting my working relationships. after a few false start, i saw a gynaecologist who seem to understand and suggested i have a coil. it has been brilliant, my emotions are calmed down, my moodiness has gone andi calmed down, my moodiness has gone and i feel more like calmed down, my moodiness has gone and ifeel more like me. who can talk about why the coil might help with these things? i think what she is probably talking about is the mirena coil, it produces a synthetic copy of progesterone. i had the
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mirena coil many times during treatment of endometriosis. partly it was about settling down the lining of the womb, trying to thin it down a little bit, so that the bleeding was less heavy. it worked for awhile for me, but then it stopped working. different women have different experiences. yes, every woman is different, as we know. what do you take from this survey, and what can you feed into the nhs in england and wales?m survey, and what can you feed into the nhs in england and wales? it is interesting for me to hear all of this, because i am a clinician as well, so this is very much the problem is that i see day—to—day. it is not the responsibility of any one person, so is not the responsibility of any one person, so i think, yes, of course we support trying to improve reception that women get when they come with problems, supporting the right women to get care when they need it. but it is a much bigger syste m need it. but it is a much bigger system issue than that, a lot about reducing the embarrassment and the stigma culturally to shift the way of thinking so that people are able
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to have these conversations, get the help they need. you talked a bit about the psa chievo children, and i think that that is really important, but it is lifelong learning from people. it is notjust women's problems, it is everybody's issue. it is for employers, people going to work, so i think it'sjust about normalising the issue, and they're recognising that for some women it will be a much bigger thing. on the subject of not being able to have children, jenny and andrea, when it comes up in conversation, if it comes up in conversation, if it comes up, what is the wrong thing to say, for you? so many things! just adopt. 0r, relax, it will happen. 0r, there is always new things in medicine. those things, they invalidate our feelings. so it's not really the right thing to say. i
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understand that people intend well, but it is not the right thing to say. i think i often but it is not the right thing to say. i think! often don't but it is not the right thing to say. i think i often don't know what to say, so that something is better than nothing, but... maybe as you say if there is more education and people are more aware of it, they might have a bit more empathy. what would be the right thing to say, or an appropriate thing to say?” would be the right thing to say, or an appropriate thing to say? i think it goes back to maybe just, ji—won to go for coffee, ji—won to have a chat about itthat kind of thing. we we re chat about itthat kind of thing. we were discussing in the green room earlier, there is not a group... if you are an alcoholic, you can go to aa. there doesn't seem to be anything that i know of, maybe there is, but groups like that that women can go to. that would be a good start. i'm sure someone watching will, i'm sure there will be. brian treated as, my daughter was diagnosed with endometriosis at 14 and eventually had to withdraw from school. 2018 was her gcse year, and
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she has missed out on sitting her exams. it is heartbreaking. carroll says, i started my menopause at 40 and still going through to 57. ba nsley, and still going through to 57. bansley, night and still going through to 57. ba nsley, night sweats, and still going through to 57. bansley, night sweats, awful and confusion in having conversations are doing easy tasks. this e—mail, i am 21,! are doing easy tasks. this e—mail, i am 21, i have had periods since i was nine, they have always been very painful to the point i was prescribed codeine. and also taking gabapentin, another strong painkiller. i have filled sample pots with blood while sitting on the loo. i have been hospitalised through pain and blood loss, and i'm unsure what to do because i have been going to the doctor since 14 and had multiple ultrasounds, they have never found anything. and had multiple ultrasounds, they have neverfound anything. what and had multiple ultrasounds, they have never found anything. what can you say to her? what could she do?” would first to try and go and see a gp witha would first to try and go and see a gp with a special interest in women's health, so find someone. and
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scans don't necessarily show up things like endometriosis if it is blood and scarring, it doesn't show up blood and scarring, it doesn't show up on blood and scarring, it doesn't show upona blood and scarring, it doesn't show up on a lot of scans, so it needs to go to secondary care, the hospital. i would go to a gp and try to get a referral to a gynaecological centre. thank you. thank you, all of you, thank you for giving up your time. and please do continue to send in your experiences, because we would like to talk to you in the second hour of the programme. next an update on a story we first reported in april. we brought you the exclusive news about disturbing levels of cruelty to horses. according to the rspca, the number of horses being abused was at a crisis. calls were made on our programme for the compulsory microchipping of horses to try to crack down on abuse and improve the welfare of horses. here's a clip. it contains distressing images of animal cruelty. this is rspca chief
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inspector sam garvey. this is adie, who was found by a member of the public collapsed on a public footpath. he'd clearly been exhausted and was in a collapsed state, covered in mud. it took five people to try and get him up, but it was very touch and go. when a horse goes down, it's the end, so you have to put a lot of hard work and time and effort into getting them back on their feet. he took several weeks, actually, to get up, so every time he went down he was so weak he struggled to get back up. so when he was moved to this facility it took people every day to come and help him get back on his feet so he could learn to do it himself. he's a handsome boy, isn't he? he's very handsome. he really is. and he's become very trusting and very loving, which is lovely to see, so hopefully he'll go on to get a loving home that he deserves. well, in the last 24 hours the government announced it will be compulsory to microchip all horses —
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it could be law by october, and owners will given be until 2020 to comply. the rspca tell us they suspect the issue moved up the political agenda because of coverage on this programme back in april. by the way, the two horses featured in ourfilm — adie — who we've just seen — and swampy, have now got new homes. in the last hour: the eu's top court has ruled that a transgender woman in this country does not have to have her marriage annulled, to be entitled to a pension from the retirement age for women. the woman identified in court only by her initials, mb, had got married in 1974, well before she changed her gender. our legal guru clive coleman is here. british legislation said that she would have to a noel hunt marriage
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to recognise the change of gender and claim her pension from the age of 60. clive, what does this mean? this is a fascinating story, a ten year legal battle. there is a eu directive which says that member states cannot discriminate on grounds of sex in relation to state benefits. this woman, known only as megabytes, born in 1948, married in 1974, in 1991 she started to live as a woman and in 1995 had gender rias that surgery. —— gender reassignment surgery. she didn't get a certificate of gender reassignment, and the reason for that she and her wife decide for religious reasons they wanted to remain married. when she got to the age of 60, she applied for a pension as a woman and was reviewed by the government on the basis of the marriage had not been annulled and there was no significant under the act. ——
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certificate under the act. she took it to the supreme court who decided there was no defined authority on there was no defined authority on the matter, so as they have to do in those circumstances, they referred the matter to europe's highest court, the european court of justice. this morning we have an unequivocal ruling which says that the uk law which says in effect you have to have your marriage annulled in order to be entitled to a pension as it were in your new gender, that thatis as it were in your new gender, that that is directly discriminatory, and that'll have to change. we are waiting for a response from the department for work and pensions who have fought this case the ten years. so it is whether they accepted now, is it, change things? they have to accept it, the ruling of the european court ofjustice. they could simply accept it and say that the law will change, and then the matter needs to go back to the supreme court, and it could do so by way of a consent order between the dwp and megabytes. not huge numbers of people affected by this,, but the
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solicitors for this woman figure there are perhaps around a hundred cases where people do not have to get their marriage annulled in order to be entitled to their pension. we will follow that with interest, thank you, clive coleman. the latest news and sport on the way, but before that, i'll weather update with simon. how long is the weather going to last, simon? that is the big question. for many of us until the weekend, for some others into next week. yesterday was the hottest day of the year so far could temperatures in london getting to 30.1 celsius, but widely temperatures were in the high 205. this morning we started with a bit of cloud around eastern scotland and england, as you can see there from the weather watcher, and we have a cloud across scotland and northern ireland, making the sunshine just a little bit hazy, but for most of us
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it is sparkling blue skies through this morning. this week weather front of the north of scotland is producing the cloud, and you can see the high—pressure, this time of year it is just settled, very little changes, but there are a few subtle changes, but there are a few subtle changes in the weather. today the highest temperatures will be further west compared to yesterday, so around the west of london and up through the midlands and into north—west england at east wales, temperatures into the high 205, perhaps even 30 celsius in one or two spots, and a little bit less hot in the london area. down the eastern side of england and east of scotland, fresher here as well, temperatures in the low 205. through this evening and tonight, any low cloud, missed around the north sea, may just drift a cloud, missed around the north sea, mayjust drift a little cloud, missed around the north sea, may just drift a little further inland like we saw this morning. but temperatures down to about 13 degrees. any of that cloud across eastern areas will tend to clear away, and what we will see, this is
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the wrong chart, i apologise, this hasjumped the wrong chart, i apologise, this has jumped a bit. the wrong chart, i apologise, this hasjumped a bit. this is the current satellite imagery. back to wednesday morning, any low cloud to miss dinners across eastern areas will tend to drift and burn back towards the coast, and again sparkling sunshine from many others, blue skies from dawn until dusk. temperatures are gaining a high 205, one or two spots potentially getting up one or two spots potentially getting up to about 30 celsius. thursday, more of the same for most of us, again, any early—morning cloud will tend to burn away. strong june sunshine, and those temperatures again up to 28, maybe 29 celsius around the central belt. rough ryder into the weekend, we are going to give a lot of fine and dry weather, lots of sunshine, pretty hot, but gradually temperatures dropping a little. this one in oxford, sunday and monday, the chance of seeing some showers across southern parts
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of england, south wales on sunday. some of those good drift further northward, and there is some uncertainty on masse thundery breakdown across southern parts into the weekend, but of course we will keep you right up—to—date. hello, it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. 80% of women have in the past year had unwanted reproductive health issues — from infertility to heavy bleeding — and they tend to keep quiet about it. not being able to conceive, it is very difficult. so it affects your whole life. it is a wound that stays there forever. it affects my identity as a woman. am i good enough? amia enough? am i a woman? i started suffering from chronic insomnia, depression, memory loss, irritability. basically not feeling like myself. the pain and the heavy bleeding, for
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me, was something i didn't feel able to discuss with people in general. your experiences welcome, we will talk to more of you in the last hour. also... prince william becomes the first royal to make an official visit to israel and the palestinian territories. earlier he laid a wreath here at the yad vashem holocaust memorial. he is due to meet the israeli prime minister shortly. when the nhs was set up 70 years ago it was the envy of the world, so how does it measure up now? we've got a report looking at where we do well compared to other countries and where we lag behind. good morning. here's anita in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today's news. mp5 have warned that britain will lose its influence with the us and other nato allies, unless it increases defence spending by billions of pounds a year.
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the commons defence committee says the investment is needed to improve the readiness of the armed forces, and to counter possible russian threats. the owners of heathrow airport say they're confident they can press ahead with plans to build a third runway, despite the threat of legal action by the environmental group, greenpeace, and several london boroughs. the commons overwhelmingly backed the project last night, after more labour mp5 supported the government than backed jeremy corbyn, who opposes heathrow‘s expansion. the government won by 415 votes to 119. the runway is due to open in 2026. police injamaica have arrested a man in connection with the suspected murder of a retired british couple. charlie and gayle anderson, who moved to the island from manchester a year ago, were found dead at their home on friday. jamaican police say a man was detained on saturday in the capital, kingston. prince william will meet the israeli president and prime minister today
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as he continues his historic tour of the middle east. these are the latest pictures of him laying a wreath at the yad vashem holocaust memorial and museum in jerusalem. this is the first official royal visit to israel and the palestinian territories. he'll meet the palestinian president tomorrow. the european union's top court has ruled that a transgender woman in britain does not have to have her marriage annulled to be entitled to a pension from the retirement age for women. the woman had got married in 1974, well before she changed her gender. britain's legislation stipulates that she would have to annul her marriage to get a certificate recognising her change of gender, which would have enabled her to claim a pension from the age of 60. the couple were unwilling to do this for religious reasons. the european court ofjustice says the law is discriminatory. a nine—year—old girl who went missing from her home in glasgow has been found safe and well. a major search was under way for skye docherty who had last
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been seen at her home in the yoker area of the city on monday evening. police said she had never disappeared before and it was out of character for her to leave home without telling anyone. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10:30am. thank you to all of you who have got in touch this morning to talk about women's health issues. somebody who did not leave their name, interesting in itself, there enough, happy if you want to be anonymous, whatever you prefer. at 207! have a lwa ys whatever you prefer. at 207! have always suffered with heavy painful periods, periods of bleeding lasting between seven and ten days. on the first or last day i feel very weak, am unable to work and often have a sick day or work from home. i feel sick day or work from home. i feel sick and can barely stand. the have represented —— recommended different types of contraceptive pills and the coil, i have been on and off them
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from the age of 16, i have lost my six drive on them and have suffered periods of mental health issues. i have now given up. on average i'm taking one sick day a month because my period pain and do not feel co mforta ble my period pain and do not feel comfortable telling my work. i don't even tell my female friends because they do not understand it and can belittle the pain. my husband is incredibly supportive and understanding, more so than my female friends. it can be a lonely experience with no light at the end of the tunnel. we will talk more about it in the next hour, thank you for your messages. i will read as many as i can in the next hour. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. you can send us an e—mail, it can be anonymous if you prefer. and there is facebook and whatsapp. tim is back with the latest sport. lots of controversy at the world cup last night — as we discussed in the last hour — but plenty of goals to talk about as well.
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but plenty of goals as well. uruguay beating the hosts russia 3—0, spain and morocco sharing a 2—2 draw and portugal against iran finishing 1—1. but the video assistant referee has dominated the headlines, here's austin halewood with more. the outcome was just as expected. portugal and spain through to the last 16. the journey was anything but easy. it was the moment all of portugalfor but easy. it was the moment all of portugal for their but easy. it was the moment all of portugalfor their team but easy. it was the moment all of portugal for their team were through to the knockout stage. if only it was that simple. after cristiano ronaldo had a penalty saved, frustrations boiled over. var showing up an incident off the ball. the referee only showed yellow. later in the second half the iranians were handed a lifeline. in a game dominated by var controversy, a game dominated by var controversy, a portugal handball gave a penalty, no mistake with this spot kick. a second goal would have put a run
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through and not the european champions out. for a moment there was the chance for this man to be a national hero, but just for a moment. portugalscraping national hero, but just for a moment. portugal scraping through to face uruguay, iran left thinking about what could've been. almost 2000 kilometres away in kaliningrad, spain narrowly avoided an early exit. it was a scoreline nobody predicted. spain one, morocco two. in the dying seconds, the moment came for the spanish. a tap in was ruled out by the rapper read, but overturned by var. heartbreak for morocco, while spain limped through as group winners. their prize is a last 16 tie with the hosts, who were given a relative check by uruguay, russia rumbled 3—0. some pretty dodgy decisions yesterday. here's what's coming up today. australia—peru and denmark—france are at three o'clock, with the group yet to be decided. 0nly peru are out at the moment.
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and at 7pm, can lionel messi rescue argentina? they must beat nigeria and hope the croatia—iceland result goes their way too. those matches are on bbc tv. we are looking forward to them. we still don't know whether andy murray will be playing at wimbledon, which starts on monday — but he is back to winning ways. he beat stan wawrinka in straight sets in the opening round at eastbourne — that's murray's first win for almost a year. next he faces kyle edmund, who replaced him as british number one. and qualifying for wimbledon continues today. dan evans is through the first round — he wasn't awarded a wild card last week, following his 12—month ban for taking cocaine, so he needs two more wins to reach the main draw. that is all this board, i will be
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back at just after 10:30am. the genre that is all the sport. prince william is the first member of the royal family to make an official visit to israel and the palestinian territories. its 70 years since the country was founded. the prince of cambridge started his visit at the yad vashem holocaust museum, and is due to meet the israeli prime minister and president around now. but the visit also includes a trip to the west bank, the first visit of a royal to a palestinian controlled area. tensions have been high in recent months, after more than 100 people were killed by israeli troops during protests in gaza. the us controversially moved its israeli embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. then last week israeli jets bombed military targets in gaza, after reports that rockets and mortars were fired into israel. 0ur correspondent yolande knell is in jerusalem now. what is happening? we havejust what is happening? we have just seen prince william a very short time
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ago, he walked past looking very serious, wearing a blackjewish skull cap at the yad vashem holocaust museum. he laid a wreath in the hall of remembrance just behind me and talk to holocaust survivors. he commented on the display of shoes collected from one concentration camp, saying it was absolutely terrifying. he was able to feel a personal connection to the place, he was told about the role of his great—grandmother princess alice of greece, who is listed here among the righteous of the nations. she is somebody who sheltered a jewish family during the second world war in nazi occupied athens. prince william is on the political part of his trip where he meets both the israeli prime minister and then the president, but that is where the resemblance to typical ministerial trips and things ends. because he goes off to jaffa where he will meet
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young arab and jewish israelis playing football together at the shimon centre for peace, he will ta ke shimon centre for peace, he will take part in a penalty shoot out with them. kensington palace wants this as an amateur for the visit, they say it is a nonpolitical blizzard, which well visits always are, the princes meeting young people who will shape the future both on the israeli side and the palestinian side. of course, the idea of keeping the strip nonpolitical will be a very big challenge indeed because he comes here at a very sensitive time which is always a very sensitive region where everything is politicised. every action he makes will really be very closely watched. thank you. let's talk to natasha roth, a british—israeli journalist and academic who lived in israel until 2016 ,and dr dina matar
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from the centre of palestine studies at the university of london. she is also a palestinian herself, and fleur hassan—nahoum who was formally the deputy mayor ofjerusalem, and is presently the leader of the opposition on the city council. thank you for talking to us. natasha, how will the visibly viewed by israelis in israel? my phone has been beeping constantly since yesterday afternoon with all the breaking news updates from the israeli media about prince william landing, what his schedulers. the israeli media is really, really loving this, so is the israeli public. this is a real pr coup for the israeli government.” public. this is a real pr coup for the israeli government. i have images now of prince william, as you can see, meeting mr netanyahu. and his wife, obviously. this is exactly the photo opportunity that especially prime minister netanyahu was looking for. he and his wife are the subject of a litany of corruption investigations at the
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moment, his wife was in day—to—day few days ago on one of them, so to have something of the cachet of a senior member of the royal family coming to israel for the first thing some great time as a pr win for benjamin netanyahu and his government. would you agree, dina? yes, because prince william went to see netanyahu, and i agree that the israeli media has been making a lot of it, sending details of every move and visit. but i also think that his visit to the palestinian... the occupied palestinian territories and meeting mahmud of us is important. particularly at this time, 70 years of what we palestinians call the nakba, the creation of the state of israel. it all depends on what
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happens and exactly as your report says, what he says and so on. for the time being, i think palestinians are looking at this as a political gesture. fleur, do you think it is a pr coup for prime minister neta nyahu ? pr coup for prime minister netanyahu? i think so, pr coup for prime minister netanyahu? ithink so, but! pr coup for prime minister netanyahu? ithink so, but i think it is much more than matter, actually. we have come full circle when you think that before 1948 there was a british mandate here and there was a british mandate here and the circumstances of the british leaving here, and now we have for the first time ever an official visit. i think it's really close as a circle for israel that mcgraw i think it's really close as a circle for israel. i see this as a practical opportunity for a partnership. britain is looking at a post—brexit world, israel is a very important trade partner for britain. they have science collaborations,
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different trade collaborations, innovation collaborations. i think this is more than a pr stunt, it is the beginning of what could be a very interesting joint strategy for trade. natasha, what is israeli media is saying about prince william's visit? the visit tomorrow to ramallah? saying about prince william's visit? the visit tomorrow to ramallah7m has not been the focus of attention, which i think is understandable because there is a concerted effort to betray this as a significant moment for the israeli government, the benjamin netanyahu, for israel's legitimacy —— to portray this as. it is an opportunity for the government to say the boycott movement is not working, not only do we have a senior member of the royal family visiting the country but for the first time it is this government specifically that has all but visit, and no other israeli government before that. i think the issue of william visiting ramallah, it has ruffled a few feathers but i don't
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think it will be concerning. normal everyday israelis, are they fond of the royalfamily? this is definitely catching the tailwind of royal family fever in the wake of the royal wedding, which got wall—to—wall coverage in israel, as around the world. there is a lot of affection for the family which will develop in the wake of this visit. fleur, i understand you are going to a reception that prince william will be at. if you get chance to speak to him, what would you talk about?” hope i do, it is in the ambassador's home this afternoon. i am not sure how long i will get with him but i wa nt how long i will get with him but i want him to understand that jerusalem could be a fantastic lab for what peace could look like. we have every type of population, more thana have every type of population, more than a third muslim, orthodoxjuice, regular —— orthodox jews, than a third muslim, orthodoxjuice, regular —— orthodoxjews, regular
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jews, christians. whatever works you could have wider repercussions globally. whatever we have managed to fix in jerusalem globally. whatever we have managed to fix injerusalem can really fix the whole region, and to see jerusalem as the beauty of the diversity rather than the conflict. dina, you know kensington palace has said this visit is nonpolitical, as all well visits are. does it feel like that to you? partly it feels that way, but i also think it will be constricted as a political visit by the israeli press, and as your commentatorjust by the israeli press, and as your commentator just said right by the israeli press, and as your commentatorjust said right now, it will be used to try and... perhaps use it as a way to say that we have to getjerusalem use it as a way to say that we have to get jerusalem and maybe use it as a way to say that we have to getjerusalem and maybe get britain to agree the same as trump said about jerusalem. but
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britain to agree the same as trump said aboutjerusalem. but if the civilian walks around in jerusalem —— but civilian walks around in jerusalem -- but if civilian walks around in jerusalem —— but if prince william walks around in jerusalem, he —— but if prince william walks around injerusalem, he will see the divisions, that east jerusalem around injerusalem, he will see the divisions, that eastjerusalem is occupied. that is important to consider. plus if he goes to ramallah and visit some of the places where you have the israeli wall, he will be seeing the israeli practices. furthermore and lastly it isa practices. furthermore and lastly it is a wall, he cannot not see that. that will be interesting to think about all these issues. thank you very much, all of you. i appreciate your time. still to come... should gay and bisexual men who were prosecuted for sex offences under anti—gay laws be given compensation? we'll hear from the niece of alan turing — the man who cracked the nazi's enigma code and was later convicted of gross indecency. the inquiry into the grenfell tower fire is due to continue today after the firefighter who was one of the first at the scene said
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that he had been out of his comfort zone when dealing with the fire. brigade watch manager michael dowden told the inquiry yesterday that he had been unable to find information about the evacuation plan for grenfell tower. let's go live now to our news correspondent, tom burridge, who is following the inquiry in central london. it was a difficult day for michael dowden, the retired judge who is overseeing it also acknowledge that? it was. the questioning was very uncomfortable. he is appearing as a witness at this public inquiry that is essential figure because witness at this public inquiry that is essentialfigure because he witness at this public inquiry that is essential figure because he was initially in command of the operation to fight the fire at g re nfell tower, operation to fight the fire at grenfell tower, but he was questioned about his training as an incident commander. he said he could not recall ever having training on when and how to proceed within a mass evacuation of a high—rise building like grenfell tower if they
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fire was spreading beyond the flat of origin of the fire. that is significant because we know the london fire brigade kept the state that strategy, that they were telling residents to stay inside their flats, from roughly telling residents to stay inside theirflats, from roughly two hours after the first 999 call, even though flames were clearly spreading up though flames were clearly spreading up the cladding. michael dowden was questioned about two visits that he and colleagues from the london fire brigade is made to grenfell tower in 2016 while the building was being refurbished. during those visits they were meant to assess fire safety in the building, but when he was questioned extensively yesterday by the leading barrister for the inquiry, he really could not remember basic features, checking basic features of the building's safety, like the fact it did not have sprinklers, like the fact there was only one escape route from g re nfell tower. was only one escape route from grenfell tower. s into one exchange. the first voice you hear is the leading barrister for the public
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inquiry, questioning michael dowden from the london fire brigade. did you learn anything from the mobile data terminal about the height of the building and the number of floors? ido remember... if i'm honest, i do remember... that's one of the things i vaguely remember, in terms of the number of floors and the height of the building, that's something i did glean off the... right. did you learn anything about the nature of the evacuation plan for grenfell tower that had been devised by the premises' fire risk assessment or any other plan? was that on the... are you asking was that on the mdt? i'm asking you whether... i'm asking you whether you learned anything from the mdt about the nature of any evacuation plan for gre nfell tower. i can't say i learnt anything because i don't think that information was, from what i understand, available. did you learn anything about who to talk to, who to identify or contact as the responsible person, responsible for grenfell tower? not at that moment in time, no.
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that has michael dowden from the london fire brigade, the watch manager in north kensington fire station on the night of the grenfell tower fire. station on the night of the grenfell towerfire. i think it is fair to say that this morning he has come back much more confident, his a nswe rs a re back much more confident, his answers are more assured. but he is now being questioned by richard m illot now being questioned by richard millot qc for the inquiry about the initial phase of trying to fight the fire grenfell tower, his decision—making and observations. before i came out to talk to you he was asked, did he make any assumptions about whether the building complied in terms of contents... compartmentalisation, whether it would contain the fire? you set that is not what would go through your mind. he is said... was
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asked whether he was aware the building was covered in cladding, he said he was not aware, hejust thought it was the building's exterior. later today prime minister theresa may will be given a letter asking her to compensate men who are still alive who were convicted under anti—gay laws before and after 1967. before the legalisation of sex between men in july 1967, gay men in the uk lived in fear of arrest, beatings and blackmail. english computer scientist alan turing was the man who managed to crack the nazis' enigma code in the second world war. he was convicted in 1952 of "gross indecency" under those laws. in 2013 — nearly 60 years after his death — he was finally pardoned. his great—niece — campaigner rachel barnes — tells us she believes that all living gay men who were prosecuted like mr turing was, should receive compensation. as you can see, rachel is here in the studio. also here is stephen close. he was in the royal fusliers. he was convicted at the age of 20, of consensual sex
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with another soldier in 1983. 1983! he was put injailfor six months and says he lost his pension, job and friends as a result. and peter tatchell, director of the peter tatchell foundation, who started the campaign and is behind the letter to the pm today. welcome to you all, thank you for coming on. stephen, you were 20 when you are effectively outed and arrested, tell the audience what happened? i had a sexual experience with another soldier in my own room, a locked door, consensual. someone actually witnessed it and reported it to the military police. the following day the sib, the serious investigation branch of the military police, plainclothes, arrested us and questioned us over allegations
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that i had committed an act of gross indecency. initially we kept denying it, eventually we broke and admitted to it. i was then forced to have a humiliating medical examination in front of a load of soldiers. then i was charged and court—martialed, six months in prison, discharge with disgrace from the army, which is a lot worse than a dishonourable discharge. after the six months that i served in colchester prison, i was forced to wear these ribbons to identify me as a... somebody who had committed gross indecency. i had to be watched at all times. having left the army, i didn't realise at the time that it was a criminal offence as well, and it went on to my criminal record, which forced me to stop doing any decent work. i
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couldn't apply for any jobs where stop doing any decent work. i couldn't apply for anyjobs where a criminal record was used. it over the years, with technology, more and more companies use crb checks, i was finding it harder and harder to get a decentjob. i was not able to adopt, foster, icould a decentjob. i was not able to adopt, foster, i could not work in the medical profession. virtually no profession at all, i could work in, up profession at all, i could work in, up until 2013 when david cameron announced in parliament that alan turing had been awarded a posthumous pardon. but same time the police we re pardon. but same time the police were knocking on my door, demanding dna samples for the crime i committed 30 years ago, exactly the same crime. about six months later i was... i applied to the home office to have these convictions taken off
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me as criminal records, and they were. i was unable to have a decent job and! were. i was unable to have a decent job and i am now working with vulnerable people in the community. do you mind asking how world you are? 56. so over the age of 50 you we re are? 56. so over the age of 50 you were pardoned, but the ripple effect, the impact on most of your aduu effect, the impact on most of your adult life of this conviction has been massive? yes. i mean, two years ago i was with a partner who had just successfully got a job working with the ministry of defence at high level. and he was told that he had to get a criminal record check on me, because i was his partner, and i had to explain to him but i had been kicked out of the army under gross indecency, which was quite embarrassing, having to tell him. rachel, stephen deserve compensation
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from the british taxpayer, in your view? a bloke stephen most definitely does deserve compensation. i mean, this actually is the worst story i have ever heard since i have been campaigning for gay rights, since alan turing got his pardon in 2013. i am absolutely certain that alan turing would want compensation for everybody who suffered exactly as he did because these anti—gay laws. these laws and prosecutions absolutely overturned lives. people had financial hardship, as stephen has said, because they lost theirjobs and could not work. also the social stigma totally affected their lives. family relationships broke down because of that. they also suffered mental and physical poor health because of all of this, also. it is absolutely right that everybody should receive compensation. i think
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it is important to say also that compensation is never going to cure any damage and trauma that has happened to their lives previously. this cannot be overturned. but it will go some way toward some recompense and somehow saying that we are sorry for the way these people have been treated. peter, do they deserve to be financially compensated? they deserve to be financially compensated ? is a they deserve to be financially compensated? is a pardon not enough? the government has acknowledge grave injustice was done, it has made a formal apology. i think it is logical that men who have suffered should receive some form of compensation. many of these men were forced to pay huge fines, they served months or years in prison, we re served months or years in prison, were often they were beaten up by other prisoners. when they got out of prison they had no job, other prisoners. when they got out of prison they had nojob, no home, those who were married, often marriages broke up, they lost
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custody of their children. many like stephen found it almost impossible to get anotherjob because nobody would want to employ eight, quote, homer sexual offender. many had mental breakdowns and work suicidal, some even committed suicide. —— nobody would want to employ eight, quote, homosexual offender. stephen, your cases 1983, the 805, you know? of course the law against same—sex relations was only finally repealed in 2003 in england and wales, not in scotland or northern ireland until even later. that was a partial decriminalisation in 1967 which was very limited and is why men were convicted after 1967, probably around 15,000 after 1967, and of those convicted before and after there are probably about 15,000 still alive. this is a statement from the
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ministry ofjustice. whilst we can never undo the hurt, we have taken a step to right these wrongs. compensation remains available to individuals who had their convictions reversed, including when new evidence has come to light and proving their innocence. that doesn't sound like it's going to help you, stephen? what you think of that? if you get your conviction overturned, bring some new evidence from something that happened 30, 40 yea rs from something that happened 30, 40 years ago, what do you think?m from something that happened 30, 40 years ago, what do you think? it is basically impossible. that is a copout. germany has agreed to compensate gay men who were similarly prosecuted. these countries are recognising that a grave injustice was done, and they wa nt to grave injustice was done, and they want to put it right, and as rachel says, no compensation can ever erase the suffering, but perhaps can help these men who often now quite elderly live comfort in their later
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yea rs. elderly live comfort in their later years. thank you all of you, thank you for coming on the programme and for being so candid. still to come before 11: the nhs turns 70 this year. is it still the envy of the world? the bbc has commissioned a report to look at where we still shine and where we lag behind — that's coming up shortly and in a country where talking openly about sexual assault is taboo we'll be hearing from the 29—year—old who shocked japan by speaking out about an alleged rape by a well known tvjournalist — here she describes being interviewed by police i had to lie down on the floor, and they brought this exercise doll and started putting it on me and moving it on me and asking me, was it like this, was it like that? and they had to ta ke this, was it like that? and they had to take photos of this. and it was just humiliating. that full interview in the next half
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an hour. time for the latest news — here's annita. the headlines on bbc news: mp5 have warned that britain will lose its influence with the us and other nato allies unless it increases defence spending by billions of pounds a year. the commons defence committee says the investment is needed to improve the readiness of the armed forces, and to counter possible russian threats. police injamaica have arrested a man in connection with the suspected murder of a retired british couple. charlie and gayle anderson, who moved to the island from manchester a year ago, were found dead at their home on friday. jamaican police say a man was detained on saturday in the capital, kingston. about 15 people have been injured in a crash between a bus and a lorry on the a47 near wisbech in cambridgeshire. the incident happened around 7:30 this morning on thorney road. the fire service and air ambulance attended the scene and described it as a major incident. police have described some of the injuries as serious. the european union's top
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court has ruled that a transgender woman in britain does not have to have her marriage annulled to be entitled to a pension from the retirement age for women. the woman had got married in 1974, well before she changed her gender. britain's legislation stipulates that she would have to annul her marriage to get a certificate recognising her change of gender, which would have enabled her to claim a pension from the age of 60. the couple was unwilling to do this for religious reasons. the european court ofjustice says the law is discriminatory. prince william has met the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, as he continues his historic tour of the middle east. earlier, he laid a wreath at the yad vashem holocaust memorial injerusalem. this is the first official royal visit to israel and the palestinian territories. he'll meet the palestinian president tomorrow. and that's a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you very much, annita. sport,
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and tim is back. thank you, victoria. plenty to talk about in the sport this morning. the most important player at the world cup is once again the video assistant referee. cristiano ronaldo a bit lucky to stay on the pitch, a controversial penalty for iran, but portugal reach the knock—out stages after a one—all draw. var also featured in spain's match — they were 2—1 down to morocco in injury time when iago aspas scored an equaliser, which was initially disallowed, before the referee looked at the replays and gave it, meaning spain won their group. the spanish will now play hosts russia in the last 16, while uruguay will play the portuguese after luis suarez helped them to a 3—0 win against russia. andy murray has returned to winning ways after that long injury absence and defeat at queen's. he beat stan wawrinka in the first round at eastbourne but he hasn't said yet if he'll play at wimbledon in a week's time. that's all the sport for now, i'll be on the news channel all day. pleasejoin me.
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we will do our utmost, thank you. a report produced to mark the 70th anniversary of the nhs has found the uk has farfewer doctors and nurses than countries with a similar population. 0ur health service also has fewer ct and mri scanners and and isn't as good at preventing deaths from heart attacks and cancers compared to similar countries. whilst highlighting its flaws, the report, produced by four think tanks, also points out that the nhs protects british citizens from the high cost of healthcare, and helps ensure people seek medical treatment without fear of financial ruin. let's speak to ruth thorlby — assistant director of policy at the health foundation — an independent thinktank who helped author this study. clare gerada — former chair of the royal college of gps & has been working in the nhs for 44 years. sonia 0'connor — sonia 0'connor
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worked as an nhs midwife from 1965 to 2001 and in brighton drjeeves wijesuriya, who is chair of the bmas junior doctor committee. thank you to all of you for talking to us. ruth, you say the nhs performs neither as well as its supporters sometimes claim nor as badly as its critics often allege. we do some things well, god forbid if you get run over, you will be picked up, taken to hospitalfor treatment and you won't have to pay anything. you don't need to pay to see your gp. so we do really well on that. what we're doing less well at is the life expectancy after some serious illnesses like cancer heart disease. but i would say we have been improving really fast. it has improved enormously, your chances of survival after a heart attack and so forth, but other countries have also been improving, so we've been catching up due to a lot of investment that has taken place at the last 15 years, but other
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countries have also improved, so we need to go further on that. so those are the main weak points. but what is also interesting is that you have come to the conclusion that the nhs seems to be, quote, relatively efficient, with low as administrative costs and a high use of cheaper generic medicines. a lot of cheaper generic medicines. a lot of people believe we spend a lot of money on wasteful bureaucracy, and the opposite is probably true. there have been a lot of cutbacks in administration, but these can often rebound back on other parts of the service, so one hears that general practitioners, gps, often have to get through a huge amount of paperwork that the hospitals are no longer doing, and that may be because they have cut back on administrative help in the hospital, so some administration is needed and it is important, but that doesn't mean to say that the service doesn't need to look continually find new ways to find efficiencies, and those could be everything from shortening the length of stay, getting people home faster, to using new kinds of
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technology. it is a constant search for improvement. clare, is this report fair? it absolutely is, and ifi report fair? it absolutely is, and if i was one of the other countries spending vast amounts more, i would be questioning what they are spending their money on. the worry i have got is what the report highlights, how much harder nhs staff are working reallyjust to deliver the care that patients expect, and i see the toll of that. iruna expect, and i see the toll of that. i run a service of the mentally ill doctors, doctors are really feeling the strain, as our nurses and midwives, and i think we have to acknowledge the work that the staff are doing, the 1.2 million of us. and even england's health secretary acknowledges this. we are better now at acknowledging it, but a few years ago we were seen as the evil people who were denying patients care, so i think when you ask where the changes have been, certainly in general
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practice, the workload is unsustainable, and thank you for acknowledging the shift of work from hospitals into general practice, which people don't notice. sagna, hello, you worked as a midwife role on time, 65—2001. how many babies did you deliver? lots of babies! hundreds. and the changes over that time? what would you say? we have improved so that most mothers and dads have a say in which way they wa nt dads have a say in which way they want to have their baby. and therefore we give them the opportunity to decide what they want, whether home confinement or hospital confinement. whereas when you started, the clinicians would make all the decisions? yes. is it better that people have a choice?” think so. we should listen to them, because it is their body. and we should listen and go along for them, and their choices. jeeves, thank you
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for joining and their choices. jeeves, thank you forjoining us from brighton. do you think it is fair that one of the conclusions is that the nhs doesn't do as well as supporters claim, but not as badly as critics claim either? i think that is absolutely right. i think what this report brings into sharp focus is the fact that we are delivering what is a very efficient service, but compared to other countries, we aren't matching their spending, and therefore we are really punching above our weight with some of the outcomes that we are providing. are you saying that if we match the spending like the spending per head of population of france and germany, we would have better outcomes and it comes to heart attacks, cancer and so on? we have talked for a very long time about the fact that increasingly our nhs is trying to deliver high—quality care without adequate resource in, without an adequate resource in, without an adequate workforce to be able to provide the care we want to deliver
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to the population. so i think with superiorfunding to the population. so i think with superior funding and superior resource in, we could be delivering more than we are now. and as you know, the government says the nhs will receive an extra £20.5 billion per year will receive an extra £20.5 billion peryear in will receive an extra £20.5 billion per year in real terms by 2023. the department of health tells us the nhs is world leading, and say they recently announced an increase funding by 3.4% a year. do you welcome but? i think it is really welcome but? i think it is really welcome news to have that increase, but as we have said for some time, we have talked about needing 4% just to maintain the system as it is. one of the things highlighted in this report is the fact that actually our population is ageing, our health needs are increasing, and over the yea rs needs are increasing, and over the years to come, the demand that our health service is going to be greater. we need funding that isn't just to maintain the service we have got, but to deliver the service we are going to need in years to come. 0k. sonia, what have you been doing
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since he retired in 2001? what i have been doing? talking to midwives. i am still in contact with midwifery. you haven'tjust been a lady of leisure? no, i haven't! and you are just a little bit older than the nhs, although you look a lot younger! thank you very much for coming on the programme, thank you all of you. nick robinson and anita rani will be in birmingham's queen elizabeth hospital tonight to discuss the challenges facing the nhs with some of the most senior front line staff of the national health service. you can watch live on bbc two at 8pm. the #metoo movement has seen women coming forward in solidarity all over the western world. however it has been slow to reach japan, where speaking out about sexual assault is strictly taboo. 0ne japanese woman, shiori ito,
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received hate mail and was insulted and humilaiated online when she went public with allegations that she was raped by a well—known tvjournalist. the man in question, noriyuki yamaguchi strenuously denies her claims and criminal charges were never brought. we'll be speaking to shiori ito in a few minutes but first, here's a clip of her looking at some of the hate mail sent to her. "bitch. " "she's always sleeping around to get these things. she must be a prostitute." "go back to korea." shiori joined me in the studio.
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in japanese media, to injapanese media, to talk about rape, it has a strong stigma against it, and to talk about it myself was the only way to let people know what sort of social and legal system we need to change. and the man u accused of raping you vehemently denies that this happened —— the man who you accuse of raping you vehemently denies that this happened. in japan we have vehemently denies that this happened. injapan we have rape and quasi—rape, so i had to prove that i was unconscious, that was impossible because i was unconscious. for any woman to make an allegation of rape in your country is a huge one. what
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was the reaction? the reaction, which i expected, was quite harsh, i have to say. harsh? harsh. i started receiving all the backlash, threats, to myself and my family. and at some point i couldn't go back to my own place where i used to live, and i couldn't even go on the street. people started taking photos of me. did people believe you? yes and no. but i really felt that it has changed once i publish my own book. i have been secretly recording all the conversations with the investigators and made documents, so when i published my book ads describing why i had to do this, what we need to change, people start
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understanding why i did it. i think people couldn't figure out why i had a motivation to do so. and just explain to our british audience what your motivation was. my motivation was to change the social and legal system. there are so many things i can name. in tokyo, in such a big city, we only have 124—hour credit —— we only have one 24—hour rape crisis centre. so it wasn't helping me at all. they taught me that i had to go through an interview to get the support, and it was two hours away from where i lived, and i couldn't even get up from the bed, and it was so hard to reach them out. and also write before i spoke up, we still had a 110 years old
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rape law, and that was one of my motivations, that i really felt it had to change. and until last year, the minimum sentence for rape was lower than the minimum sentence for theft quiz yellow yes. if you steal something you go to jail for at least five years. if you rape someone, three years. 110 years ago, objects were worth more than women. and another thing is that only 8% of police officers injapan are women. and you describe in the documentary having to re—enact your alleged rape with a life—sized doll while three police officers, three policemen, took pictures. i wonder if you could give us an insight into what was that like. so... yes, i had to lay down on the floor, and they brought
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this doll and they started putting it on me and moving it on me and asking me, was it like this, was it like that? and they had to take photos of it. and it was just a humiliating experience. and i remember i really had to switch off my mind, because it was just too much, too traumatising. but during the investigation process, i always had to talk to mail investigators, soi had to talk to mail investigators, so i feel like i was the one who had been... the one who had been asked all these questions. i know what you mean, you felt like you were the one that was being investigated? you will suspect? yes, that is how i felt. how were the police officers when you were re—enacting this? what was their demeanour? from my
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perspective, i remember! was their demeanour? from my perspective, i remember i had to lay down on the floor, so i was just looking around these three mail investigators around me taking photos of me, asking me, was it like that at this. and i can't really recall what they were saying and what, how they were looking at me, but i was just in fear. was what, how they were looking at me, but i wasjust in fear. was there any acknowledgement from the police officers that this was traumatising for you? i asked the investigators if my best friend can be there, and they said no. it has to be just investigators and me. and...i and... ijust had to do it to be able to report. i had no other choice. you have as a result of
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going public been contacted by many, many other women, who say they have experienced similar things, and we have got a clip meeting a woman who said she had been sexually assaulted. let's have a look. shiori has come to meet a woman who said she was sexually assaulted at knife—point by a stranger a year ago. she only told one friend and didn't report it to the police. what has it been like to meet women like that? it was surprising to know how many people are carrying this pain inside of them, and it was hard to imagine them not being able to tell. she told one of her friends, but i got another e—mail from
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someone saying they couldn't tell anyone for ten years, and i can't imagine how they can really put this pain into themselves, and how they couldn't ask for help from long—time. couldn't ask for help from long-time. you have said that your motivation now is to campaign around issues of sexual assault. what other things injapan issues of sexual assault. what other things in japan would issues of sexual assault. what other things injapan would you like to tackle? it is just things injapan would you like to tackle? it isjust the idea of consent i think, for sex. 0ur consent i think, for sex. 0ur consent age right now is 13 years old. the age of consent in japan is 13? what you think about that? old. the age of consent in japan is 13? what you think about thanm old. the age of consent in japan is 13? what you think about that? it is just unbelievable, because we don't have education for the idea of consent. there is a saying in japanese which translates as, no means yes. so if you have that idea, and you set the age of consent so low, how can these kids react? do
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you think a 13 or 14—year—old girl is mature enough physically or mentally is mature enough physically or m e nta lly to is mature enough physically or mentally to be able to consent to having sex? i remember growing up in japan, being groped with daily life. and my first big memory was when i was ten years old in a swimming pool was ten years old in a swimming pool, and i didn't know what this man was doing to me. it was an adult man? yes. and when i talked about it to my family, they didn't do anything. they told me because i was wearing a bikini, and i was very ashamed of myself, and i realised this is my fault. and it continued, especially when we were in high school, when we have to use public transportation. so it was something that we have to bear every day, and we couldn't say no, or even if we say no, they wouldn't listen. it made no difference. it would be an
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appropriate moment to show another clip where you metz and students and you talked about travelling on public transport. finally, if i may, if you are calling on more of the women in japan to speak out, or are you saying from your own experience, it is not worth it? talking about it in public made me not be able to live in tokyo injapan any more, and now i'm in london, and i'm happy because i was able to do so. but not eve ryo ne i was able to do so. but not everyone can do so, to escape from their situation, and i wish i didn't have to. i wish i can go back. so i don't want to ask anyone, any victim, to do the same. i want to ask everyone around them to do the same. because it's so much on them, and people around me helped me so much, and that is why i am here today. you can see a documentary about shiori ito's story — japan's secret shame —
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on bbc two at 9pm this thursday. thank you for your many, many comments about reproductive health. so many people have been honest and shared your story. chenise got in touch with us, she has extreme period pain, and how bad does it get, chenise? really bad. itake time off work with the pain, and i'm in bed most of the time, with the pain, crippled over. and are you able to tell your boss why you need to ta ke able to tell your boss why you need to take the day off? i've tried, but obviously they don't understand. but are you open about it? because that is one of the things that has come up today, that people don't talk about it, because they are embarrassed. i am open about it,
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because at the end of the day, like you said, other people are embarrassed, and if nobody does come out about it, nobody will ever talk about it. and how old are you know? i'm 21. and how long have you been having these really bad periods? they started when i was nine when i first started my period is. and then i got the implant put in at 14, and i was bleeding for two years. i didn't stop for two years. then my period started again normally after i had the implant out. i would bleed regularly, but it is very, very heavy. i'm sorry to hear that. chenise, thank you for coming on the programme, i really appreciate it andi programme, i really appreciate it and i appreciate your openness as well, thank you. thank you. and thank you for all your messages. i read as many as i could. we do read them all, wejust read as many as i could. we do read them all, we just don't always get them all, we just don't always get the chance to read them out on air, but thank you so much. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today.
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back tomorrow at nine. good morning. it is a day of sunshine in hot weather again for many of us across the uk, but there area many of us across the uk, but there are a few subtle differences compared to yesterday. we have a bit more in the way of cloud across eastern parts and northern areas, but still fine and sunny for the majority. some low cloud lingering on across eastern areas, high—level cloud across northern ireland and scotland, but the heat building up, and it is more confined towards western areas of london, up towards north—western parts of england. that is where we could see temperatures approaching 30 celsius, but widely again, temperatures into the high 205. cooler and more refreshing
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along the eastern coast, 23 degrees. not a great deal of change overnight tonight, might see some cloud again, missed in eastern areas, and otherwise about down to 11, and as for tomorrow, more hot sunshine. i buy. this is bbc news. these are the top stories developing at 11.00. mp5 warn the uk will have to significantly increase defence spending if it is to maintain influence with washington and nato allies. there's real concerns expressed by the united states, who spend much more than any of the rest of europe on our collective defence and want europe to bear its fair share. prince william visits israel's
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holocaust memorial on the first official visit to israel and the palestinian territories by a british royal. around 16 people are injured in a crash between a bus and a lorry on the a47 in cambridgeshire. rescuers searching for 12 children in a flooded cave in thailand say they're hopeful they may still be alive. "below average" —
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