good morning. it's wednesday. it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. welcome to the programme. 50 homes evacuated and a huge moorland fire in greater manchester is declared a major incident. the smoke was really, really sort of dense and you could hardly breathe. plus, your eyes were burning as well. i'm on the front line with the firefighters as they battle to try and bring this huge under control. and the new asbos — called comunity protection notices — we've discovered there's been a dramatic rise in prosecutions for breaching them. but why are they being handed out to stop people crying in their own home, having noisy peacocks — or even walking in front of their own house? so sheila, this is where you can't go? yes, this is the exclusion zone from here. and this is very close to your front door. i know, it's ridiculous. it's where we'd normally walk to the beach. yes. it actually looks as if someone's got a red crayon and just gone around, there's no logic to it. you can watch our exclusive film at 9:15. plus — a secondary school in essex is telling parents they can

take their children out of lessons for a week to go on a cheaper holiday. good idea or does itjust mean some kids whose parents cant afford a break will be sitting in class while their mates are on the beach? hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. have you been given a community protection notice — if so, why, and was itjustified? do let me know — send us an email victoria@bbc.co.uk,' as we have figures that show the number of prosecutions from people breaching these has risen dramatically in the last year. on the face of it cpns,

appear to have been handed out for some quite extraordinary reasons; also today the government want to send fewer women to jail, and the prisons minister said yesterday he'd scrap setnences of under a year — yuor views on that — particulalry if you have been a victim of crime and the perpetrator was jailed; or if you have been inside. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtage victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today: more than 50 homes have been evacuated as a huge moorland fire continues to spread in greater manchester. the blaze on saddleworth moor has been declared a major incident and the army is on standby to help out. mark lobel reports. into its third day, an enormous fire in an area of upland east of manchester rages on. smoke from the pennine moors has been spreading since sunday. it's causing major disruption and fear. nearby, at least 3a houses have been evacuated. residents here may be next.

the smoke was really, really sort of dense and you could hardly breathe. plus your eyes were burning as well. firefighters, gamekeepers and farmers have all been tirelessly trying to put out the fire, but as yet it's been impossible to get under control. it's very hot, hot conditions when you're up there trying to fight the fire. the vastness of it, it's one of the biggest ones i've been on in a long time. the fire is even visible from space. here's the smoke showing up on imagery from nasa. it's been declared a major incident. greater manchester police say they have spoken to the army, who are on standby. amid health and safety fears, two schools in the affected area are closing today and hundreds of residents have been warned to keep their windows and doors shut. unlike many parts of britain looking forward to the predicted temperature rises over the next few days, for those living nearby, it's a far more precarious proposition.

mark lobel, bbc news. leon parkes, from greater manchester fire and rescue has given an update on the efforts to bring the fire under control. we have a large area that has been affected by fire. given the size and the scale of that area, what we've had to do is break that into smaller areas to deal with, which we call sectors. we've currently got two active sectors where we have 25 firefighters that eat area, dealing with that situation. there are pockets of fire all over, so what we have had to do this morning is an assessment of the scene, in which we'll be using some air assets to gauge a full assessment, but we are still dealing with the fire situation. it's been tremendously difficult and firefighters have worked tremendously hard in heat, smoke and

really difficult conditions, which have been really testing for firefighters, but we've continued to battle a n firefighters, but we've continued to battle an and firefighters, they do theirjob. our correspondent dave guest is in carrbrook in stalybridge for us now. we can see the smoke behind you. just tell us what it is like there. it smells, for a start off. the smell of smoke hanging very heavily in the air here. as you say, still smoking on the hillside but we have been here before, we thought they had got under control and suddenly you see a pocket of flames erupt without warning, and earlier a whole ridge erupted into flame. the problem they are facing is twofold. tinder dry ground, coupled with strong winds. when the wind changes direction, it can whip up the flames without warning. beneath this ground

isa without warning. beneath this ground is a lot of peat and the peat can smoulder on and on and then suddenly a pocket of flame will erupt again. we have fire crews here at the moment simply trying to keep the ground as damp as they can. we have had people with beaters, tried to physically beat out the flames. it is hot and tiring work. the fire officer in the clip you played earlier referred to that. you see them coming down and they are exhausted. we are a fair way up the hill so it's a job getting the equipment up here so they can tackle this. thisjust a equipment up here so they can tackle this. this just a small section of six kilometres of moorland affected by this huge fire. in terms of homes being evacuated, where have people been brought to? well, a local church had opened its doors to anybody who wanted to go and use it last night that most people i think just went to relatives and friends. some people refused to leave. we spoke to one lady wanted to stay because she was concerned about what would happen with her pets. we spoke to someone else who was moving their horses from one field to another because the horses were finding it difficult to brief. there is a lot

of smoke. it is not toxic smoke but it is irritating spread. if you are breathing it in breathing heavily, if you have asthma, it is very concerning for people like that which is why the advice is to keep doors and windows closed. easier said than done with sweltering temperatures at the moment. set for another very hot day here, blue sky over there but overhear still this haze of smoke which can be seen for many miles around. i smell the smoke when i was driving here this morning around 7.5 miles from this location. it isa around 7.5 miles from this location. it is a big fire and still not out yet. it started on sunday, does anyone know how? there was a fire on sunday which they got out, i'm told. i was here yesterday when this one got under way and they said this was a separate fire that started that pockets of fire have kept breaking out. i think it is mainly to do with the terrain. this is an area of special scientific interest, a of flora and fauna and wildlife that is very important in the peak national park. i spoke to a range last night

and she said they are very concerned about what damage this will have done long—term foster a moment, they can't possibly get there to assess that. that assessment will have to be done once they have the fire under control. the priority at the moment for the fire crews and all the other people helping here is to try and bring this under control once and for all. it is easier said than done. cheers, dave, thank you for the moment. we will talk to people who have been evacuated later on in the programme. let's have the rest of the morning's news so far. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. the government has scrapped plans for five new women's prisons in england and wales. the same number of residential centres will be built instead. they will provide help with getting a job and treating drug addiction in a bid to reduce the number of women being jailed for low level offences. our home affairs correspondent june kelly reports. "prison doesn't work for many women." for years, that's been the message from reformers. the majority of female offenders are assessed as low or medium risk and commit non—violent or low—level offences, and many keep being sent back to jail for minor crimes.

women make up about 5% of the prison population in england and wales. nearly 60% have suffered domestic abuse, and many have mental health problems. 70% of those on short sentences will go on to reoffend. now, the ministry ofjustice says rather than women going to prison, there will be a network of residential centres where they can be given help to turn away from crime. women can get the support that they need to turn their lives around, to stop them reoffending. that helps us bring down crime and it helps ensure that we get people on the right track. there are currently nearly 4,000 women injails across england and wales. campaigners have welcomed this major shift in position by the government when it comes to dealing with the female prison population. june kelly, bbc news. there's been a 42% rise in the number of people proscuted for breaching community protection

notices in the last year. cpns are often referred to as the new asbos and are designed to clamp down on anti—social behaviour, but whereas asbos were handed out by courts, cpns are given by police and councils. this programme has heard from people who say they've been handed out uncessarily, including one woman who was given a cpn because her peacocks were too noisy. the duke of cambridge will visit the palestinian territories today as he continues his tour of the middle east. later this morning, he'll meet with palestinian leader mahmoud abbas. the trip also marks the first time a member of the british royalfamily has been on an official visit to israel. taxes and regulations should be used to encourage people to lead healthier lifestyles, according to a new report. the independent analysis, produced for the bbc, suggests the public want the government to intervene to support good health following the success of the smoking ban and the sugar tax. a spokesperson for the department

of health and social care said the new nhs plan would include a focus on prevention. our health correspondent dominic hughes reports. the introduction of compulsory seat belts in cars was one of the most important public health measures introduced by the government. at the time, critics said this was at the action of a nanny state but it led to a drastic reduction in road traffic deaths and injuries. since then, we've seen similar measures, like the smoking ban and a sugar tax, and now a new report says the public supports government action. the majority of the public are in favour of governments taking some of these interventions, such as limiting fast food outlets near schools, limiting advertising of junk food before 9pm on television, and also things like the smoking ban. these are things the government does have control over. but the report also says that individuals have a responsibility to look after their own health. at this scheme in leeds, these middle—aged men

are doing just that, coming together to hone their carpeting skills, while also tackling the loneliness and isolation many of them have experienced post retirement. you've just got somebody to talk to, you're notjust sat on your own, being so bored. it is one of the best things i've discovered since retirement. i think the main thing is camaraderie. when you live by yourself, it can be quite lonely. the social, physical and economic environment we live in is the biggest influence on our health. there is public support for government measures that help people to break down those environmental barriers to good health. dominic hughes, bbc news, leeds. two committees of mps have called for people to pay more in tax to cover the costs of providing social care for adults in england. theirjoint report says people over the age of a0 should contribute what would be called a social care premium to help close the funding short—fall that is currently estimated to be

£2.5 billion. heavy rains are continuing to hamper efforts to find a group of young football players and their coach who are missing inside a cave in thailand. rescue workers have been battling to pump water from the cave network. thai soldiers and volunteers are amongst those trying to find the group as the search enters its fourth day. a solidified lump of fat, oil and grease that's been on show at the museum of london could be preserved, after proving popular with visitors. the piece of fatberg comes from a so called "monster berg" that had been blocking sewers in east london. it was going to be removed from display this week but the museum's curator says the fatberg caused a "marked increase" in visitors — and they are now thinking of preserving it, when it finishes its public display this week. perhaps not one to watch whilst you are eating breakfast! that's a summary of the latest bbc

news — more at 9.30. thank you. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. interested to hear from you if you have received one of these asbos, community protection notices. if you have got one, let me know why and if you think it is justified. you can also message us you think it is justified. you can also message us on you think it is justified. you can also message us on twitter. also today, it looks like you were women according to the government's new strategy will end up going to jail. if you are a victor of crime and your perpetrator was sent to jail, particular got a shorter sentence, under a year, let me know how you feel about this change. also if you have served a jail sentence, let us know your pertinent views having been onside. —— inside. let's get some sport. tim hague is at the bbc sport centre. argentina using the get out ofjail free card at the world cup? they

have indeed, the world cup keeps on giving. astonishing scenes in st petersburg last night, argentina in total disarray for the last couple weeks and howell made it through to the knockout stages with a late, late victory over argentina. lionel messi has looked at shadow of those former self but last night we saw some messi magic, a couple of touches that finish. he said, we knew god was with our son wasn't going to let us go out. that would explain the late winner. had equalised with a penalty, only for marcus rojo to do what no one in the premier league has ever seen him do before, score with a volley and with his less favoured foot, that at the end of the game. it was dramatic to say the least. the pictures can show you that. diego maradona seemed to go through all of the emotions watching his country last night. he has had a chequered past, of course, and some of what he did reflected that last night. if you have time to look at the morning's newspapers you

will see what i mean. it is fair to say he was very erratic during the game, summing up argentina's to psy—tu rvy world game, summing up argentina's topsy—turvy world cup run so far. and, of course, the wizardry of photo editing and the power of social media has given us some very special material to work with this morning. a titanic set of events last night, some could say. certainly a roller—coaster for diego maradona and company in russia so far. argentina being put through the ringer. what would lisa simpson say about that, i wonder? frankly, ringer. what would lisa simpson say about that, iwonder? frankly, i have run out of cheap gags by this point. do you write your own scripts? ido, but do you write your own scripts? i do, but perhaps i shouldn't! did you not like those pictures? i loved the pictures, of course i did. give us the latest on the england camp ahead of the belgium game? i will get told off writing my own scripts later! england have been

training this morning, just under 36 hours until theirfinal training this morning, just under 36 hours until their final group game against belgium. both teams through to the last 16, so a kind of dead rubber. dele alli is unlikely to return for this match. eric dier, marcus rashford and gary cahill speculated to start. england are top at the moment but only because they have one less yellow card than the belgians, the same points. but finishing second would give a slightly easier run in the knockout stages. so still a little bit riding on the match tomorrow. senegal and japan or colombia will be england's last 16 opponents. that is it from me for now. thank you. crying in your home, feeding birds in your garden, not being able to walk in front of your house — all reasons why ‘community protection notices'

have been handed out. cpns are the new asbos — designed to clamp down on anti social behaviour — but we've discovered there s been a dramatic rise in the last year in the number of people prosecuted for breaching them — 42% up on the year before. where asbos were handed down by a court, cpns are given out by police and councils where they decide someone's behaviour is having a ‘detrimental effect‘ on others. in an hour‘s time we‘ll talk to an ex—cafe owner who was given a cpn which she said meant she and her customers couldn‘t look at a rival cafe, and another woman who was given one because her four peacocks were too noisy. for now, watch rick kelsey‘s exclusive report peaceful and relaxed seafront living in east sussex. i'm going to show you where we can‘t go. in east sussex. i'm going to show you where we can't go. something that‘s no more for sheila jackie and

her husband nigel, they got a community protection notice warning letter after the council decided they were harassing their neighbours, something they say they have no knowledge of. so, sheila, this is where you can‘t go? have no knowledge of. so, sheila, this is where you can't go? this is the exclusion zone from here. very close to your front door. it is where we would normally walk to the beach. it looks as if somebody has got a red crayon around, there is no logic to it really. community protection notices, or cpms, are designed to crack down on anti—social behaviour. 0ne designed to crack down on anti—social behaviour. one of the restrictions bands nigel and sheila from looking into any neighbour‘s property, or walking on the beach in front of their house. so about three and a half metres from your gate you‘re not allowed to go? and a half metres from your gate you're not allowed to go? yeah. yeah. how do you feel about that? ridiculous, imagine a red line going all the way from that gatepost, going all the way here, here we go,

iam in going all the way here, here we go, i am in the exclusion zone, so it‘s about here, it goes all the way here. i‘m walking it all the way down to the foreshore. this is all the exclusion zone? yes, all of this area we are not allowed to go there, to about here. nigel and sheila regularly break the terms of their cpm warning, therefore are due a full cpm. if nigel and sheila break that it full cpm. if nigel and sheila break thatitis full cpm. if nigel and sheila break that it is a criminal offence and could be punished by up to five yea rs could be punished by up to five years injail —— cpn. you are not allowed to sit in front of your house on the beach? no, ever since we bought the house 26 years ago i‘ve been sitting on the beach and that‘s why we came here, to sit on the beach. you cannot dispute the fa ct the beach. you cannot dispute the fact you are not allowed to sit on the beach in of the house? exactly. cpns are similar to asbos, introduced as a set of control orders a couple of years ago.

whereas asbos were assigned by the courts and allowed individuals to defend themselves, cpns have no burden of proof so they can be issued by councils and police if they believe people are having a detrimental effect on others, the challenge can only come after they have been handed out. i‘ve looked at the notice and it says that you were harassing your neighbours. were you harassing your neighbours. were you harassing your neighbours. were you harassing your neighbours? no, we have never harassed them, it‘s the opposite, they have been harassing us opposite, they have been harassing us forfour years. opposite, they have been harassing us for four years. we have had problems but it seems to be turned against us. yes. i find this ban on you looking through other people‘s windows a little bit tricky. so do we! is it possible for you to not look through windows? we don't look through windows. no, but the clause is we cannot be perceived to be looking through other people's windows regardless of whether we

are. because it is their perception. it isa are. because it is their perception. it is a shock to have an asbo. to cope with it i treat it as a bit of a joke, cope with it i treat it as a bit of ajoke, i cope with it i treat it as a bit of a joke, i laugh it off, but it‘s very serious because to scrutinise asian of loss —— because it is criminalisation of us. we approached the neighbour who said they did not wa nt to the neighbour who said they did not want to talk and referred us to the council and told us before and notice can be issued a letter of warning is sent to the individual in question are advising them that unreasonable behaviour must cease otherwise a cpn will be issued. in this case, in an attempt to resolve a long—standing neighbourhood dispute. what is your overall feeling about what has happened? is it frustration or anger? sadness deep down. i‘m desperately sad that this happened. i‘m going to be honest, i put on a brave face because you have two, but i‘m deeply sad. we now know the amount of

people prosecuted for breaking cpns over the last couple of years. the powers we re over the last couple of years. the powers were designed to restrict anti—social behaviour like being rubbish or fighting but anti—social behaviour like being rubbish orfighting but it anti—social behaviour like being rubbish or fighting but it seems their use has extended much further than that. although cpns are often praised for cutting anti—social behaviour, we have come to meet a man who is partly responsible for handing them out. rick, good to meet you. shall we have this way? absolutely. what type of things are cpns dished out for? there is a wide variety of issues that are tackled. it can be anything from staring into people‘s windows, for instance, through to loud parties, general noise nuisance and neighbour nuisance. is there not some evidence, though, that some councils might be handing these out a little

bit over enthusiastically? of course i can‘t speak for every local authority in the country, however, the evidence that i see is that local authorities are not going around looking from problems, they are responding to issues, very serious issues often, reported to them and we have a duty to protect them and we have a duty to protect the public and we take that duty very seriously. i suppose the one thing with the cpm compared to the asbo is the cpm warning letter could just be handed out to someone and it is not given out by a court, it is decided by the council, isn‘t it? —— cpn. people have a right of appeal within 28 days and it is a warning letter about their behaviour and conduct and often times that is all thatis conduct and often times that is all that is required and doesn‘t move onto any formal proceedings. the concern is the warning letter gives people those restrictions and they have to adhere to it before they can challenge it. it wouldn't be possible to design a system where

one could contemporaneously challenge the notice that is served upon you, there has to be a framework for that. it is not as simple as the counciljust deciding there is an issue and then issuing a notice. if you search for community protection notice on twitter you will find a lot of examples where cpns are being used for what you would probably argue our pretty legitimate reasons. but are there other times when they are overused? this programme has seen evidence of people receiving cpns for things such as shouting, crying, arguing, even feeding birds in the garden, and also victims of domestic violence. jersey appleton from the ma nifesto clu b violence. jersey appleton from the manifesto club who campaign for civil liberties provided us with some of the data for what people are receiving cpns for. the trouble with cpns are they are a blank cheque power that can be imposed by a

single council officer and they impose legal restrictions and if you break them it is a criminal offence, it‘s hard to appeal and if you compare it to the asbo, it would go to the court and you would have a right to defence and even so we know that crazy asbos were brought through. i don‘t think councils are ina through. i don‘t think councils are in a position to be issuing these sorts of criminal sanctions against people. aren't they needed because they are the only way local authorities can deal with the problems of anti—social behaviour at a local level? if there is a real problem local authorities can orders use some sort of the power that require strong tests, requires going through a court to prove this person did what you say they did and also to prove that it is quite serious and not something that somebody else finds annoying. a cpm can be written i‘ve done on a form and an officer fills it out and after that it is a crime for you to do what they say you do. it is a completely arbitrary power and where you have arbitrary powers you have bad law enforcement. a home office spokesperson said we

are a home office spokesperson said we a re clear a home office spokesperson said we are clear that community protection orders should be used proportionally to tackle anti—social behaviour. individuals have the right to appeal where they feel powers have been misapplied. the number of people prosecuted for breaking cpns is rising so getting the balance between tackling serious anti—social behaviour and other people‘s civil liberties looks like a problem only set to get bigger. rick kelsey reporting. this e—mail from paul on cpns, councils regard finds as legitimate income now so there will always allow a cpn no matter how absurd because it maximises the income they can get. there is also no proper appeal path. there is also no proper appeal path. there should be an independent

ombudsman, not the council. nor is there a requirement to show actual harm other than the fevered imagination of an ill intentioned person. nelson tweets: we have the opposite problem in the crewe where communities are blighted by anti—social street drinkers but nothing is done about it. i want to hear from you if you have got one of these cpns, if it has been served upon you, and what the reason was for you getting one. in an hour‘s time, we‘ll talk to an ex—cafe owner who was given a cpn which she said meant she and her customers couldn‘t look at a rival cafe, and another woman who was given one because her four peacocks were too noisy. still to come. in her first tv interview on the case, we‘ll be speaking to this lawyer who represents a transgender woman who took her fight for pension equality all the way to the eu‘s top court — and won. we will talk to the head of the secondary school in essex who is allowing his parents to take... allowing his pupils to take a week out in term time. woodlands school in essex

are calling it "enrichment" week. we have quite a few messages on that already. what do you think about the idea? time for the latest news — here‘s annita. more than 50 homes have been evacuated as a huge moorland fire continues to spread in greater manchester. the blaze on saddleworth moor has been declared a major incident and the army is on standby to help out. leon parkes, from greater manchester fire and rescue provided this update. we have a large area that has been affected by fire. given the size and the scale of that area, what we‘ve had to do is break that into smaller areas to deal with, which we call sectors. we‘ve currently got two active sectors where we have 25 firefighters at each area, dealing with that situation. there are pockets of fire all over, so what we have had to do this morning is an assessment

of the scene, in which we‘ll be using some air assets to gauge a full assessment, but we are still dealing with the fire situation. the government has scrapped plans for five new women‘s prisons in england and wales. the same number of residential centres will be built instead. the centres will provide help with getting a job and treating drug addiction in a bid to reduce the number of women being jailed for low level offences. there‘s been a 42% rise in the number of people proscuted for breaching community protection notices in the last year. cpns are often referred to as the new asbos and are designed to clamp down on anti—social behaviour, but whereas asbos were handed out by courts, cpns are given by police and councils. the victoria derbyshire programme has heard from people who say they‘ve been handed out uncessarily, including one woman who was given a cpn because her peacocks were too noisy. the duke of cambridge will visit the palestinian territories today

as he continues his tour of the middle east. later this morning, he‘ll meet with palestinian leader mahmoud abbas. the trip also marks the first time a member of the british royalfamily has been on an official visit to israel. taxes and regulations should be used to encourage people to lead healthier lifestyles, according to a new report. the independent analysis, produced for the bbc, suggests the public want the government to intervene and highlights the success of the smoking ban and sugary drinks tax. a spokesperson for the department of health and social care said there was a role for both individuals and the state and that the new nhs plan would include a focus on prevention. two committees of mps have called for people to pay more in tax to cover the costs of providing social care for adults in england. theirjoint report says people over the age of a0 should contribute what would be called a social care premium, to help close the funding short—fall that is currently estimated

to be £2.5 billion. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news. cheers, and neater. these messages about this secondary school. the headteacher at the secondary school allowing parents to take their children out of school for a week in term time to go on a cheaper holiday to stop luke tweeted, it is not a goodidea to stop luke tweeted, it is not a good idea for pupils to be taken out of school to go on holiday for a week. the best time for them to go is during the half—time break. harry text of this, i consider it is necessary for an large number of families to have holidays in term time as prices nearly double in the school holidays. 0ur families time as prices nearly double in the school holidays. 0urfamilies had holidays in term time before the children started school. daphne says, how would parents feel if they we re says, how would parents feel if they were told their teacher was taking tickets for a week off? we are taking our kids for a weeks holiday ina caravan taking our kids for a weeks holiday in a caravan on the 23rd ofjuly,

the first week of the school holidays, price 269 pounds. same price on 16th ofjuly, £109. just remember, teachers have grandchildren and children as well. thank you for those. we will talk to the headteacher of that school in the headteacher of that school in the next half an hour. we are keen to know your views, particularly if you have been fined for taking your child out in term time. here‘s some sport now with tim. what a crazy difference in the price of those holidays. plenty going on in the world cup. england have trained at the world cup base this morning for heading to callinan grabbed to face their final group match against belgium‘s mane. the expectation is dele alli won‘t play button rashford from eric dier and gary cahill ready to come in. argentina, as we head, pulling off a great escape last night as lionel messi found his form at last and marcus rojo scored the winner against nigeria which took them through to the last 16. they will play france. iceland‘s adventure was ended by croatia, who finished top

of that group. they will face denmark in the next round. in the run—up to wimbledon, british number onejohanna run—up to wimbledon, british number one johanna konta run—up to wimbledon, british number onejohanna konta is through to the third round at eastbourne, where andy murray will face kyle edmund a little later today. that is all the sport for now. has anyone ever said you look a bit like harry kane? that is not a great compliment! are you joking? 0h is not a great compliment! are you joking? oh my gosh! harry kane is all right i prefer brad pitt. look at that. i thought we were friends before this bulletin. you should hear what the gallery are saying to me in my year. share it. i can't share it but they are very happy you said this. laughter you look like his twin brother. thank you very much. this time yesterday we broke the news that a transgender british woman who was unable to access her pension was discriminated against by uk law according to the european court of

justice. the woman, known as mb, was refused the female state pension at 60 because she wasn‘t officially recognised as a woman, because she‘d chosen not to annul her previous marriage, saying she preferred to stay married to her wife for religious reasons. mb was born a man, and got married in 197a. in 1991, mb began to live as a woman and four years later underwent gender reassignment surgery. when she reached her 60th birthday in 2008, the retirement age for women at that time, mb applied for a state pension and was refused. but the ecj ruled that a individual who has changed gender does not have to annul the marriage they entered into before that change, to receive a pension. let‘s speak now to mb‘s solicitorjackie mulryne from arnold and porter solicitors. she has been working on this case since 2013. good morning to you. thank you for joining us. first of all, how is

your client, mb, reacting to the news she has won? like everyone else, we found out yesterday. the tea m else, we found out yesterday. the team was manically trying to refresh oui’ team was manically trying to refresh our computer to get the judgment. we rang mb in the morning and i think, like many of us who have been working on this, she was delighted the court had recognised that the uk requirements were discriminatory. but also i think we are trying to absorb what it means. it has been a very long journey, and the way the law system works, we have to wait for the uk court to give a final decision. so although we are ecstatic that we have got this far and we have finally got this ruling, there are still steps to take to get to the end of the case. so it doesn‘t necessarily mean mb can get access to this pension and potentially retrospectively? we very much hope so. the supreme court, the

highest court in the uk, referred the question to europe, because there was a question of european law that they needed help and, effectively. the european court yesterday gave their decision on that aspect of the european law, but 110w that aspect of the european law, but now the uk court must decide what that means for megabytes specifically. we are hopeful, because the decision was very clear and distinct, which is not always the case in europe, that this decision we think is very clear, so we are hoping that the government, that we can quickly resolve the case. the department for work and pensions as they are carefully considering the implications of the court of justice considering the implications of the court ofjustice of the european union‘sjudgment court ofjustice of the european union‘s judgment and will await the ruling of the supreme court in this country. what would be the best outcome? well, the supreme court has asked both sides to give their written comments on the next 28 days. we are hoping we will be able

to agree an order with the government so we can just agree how the case can be resolved. we would hope that would include a recognition of megabytes‘s change of gender and that she is owed pension rights but we have to wait and see how the government reacts. my understanding is, and you are the expert, if megabytes had a certificate legally recognising her asa certificate legally recognising her as a woman, the argument about not having an altar previous marriage would be a relevant because she would be a relevant because she would have had that documentation and access to the pension. but in order to get that certificate that uk law requires you to go through various hoops and you can‘t get a full certificate unless your marriages annulled or divorce. m.b. didn't marriages annulled or divorce. m.b. didn‘t go through the process because she knew she didn‘t want to do that. but yes, if someone goes through the process and jump through

hoops, they get a full certificate and then the government will recognise them as a woman, or a manner as the case may be. what you describe as hoops, for viewers who wa nt to describe as hoops, for viewers who want to learn more, living in the preferred genderfor two want to learn more, living in the preferred gender for two years and two doctors signing it? yes, two doctors or a doctor and a psychologist showing you have gender dysmorphia and you need to have the intention to continue living as that gender. there is no requirement to have surgery, but you need the doctors to accept that you have gender dysmorphia and want to live in the new gender going forward. gender dysmorphia and want to live in the new gender going forwardm in terms of the requirements of what you have to do before you get that certificate, if the supreme court backs what the european court has said, then the condition about having to annul a previous marriage has to be thrown out? that is actually already gone. the reason it was bad is because when the law came in in 2004, same—sex marriage was illegal in the uk. so therefore you

couldn‘t have two women being married, therefore the government wa nts you married, therefore the government wants you to get divorced. but now, same—sex marriages legal so that who is not there. you don‘t need to get divorced. your marriage between a man and a woman becomes a marriage between a same—sex marriage. man and a woman becomes a marriage between a same-sex marriage. m.b. could have got this certificate in the years that have gone by? yes, that she would have been too late to claim her pension. the law only changed in 2013, which unfortunately is too late for mb. but anyone going through that process now would be able to do it without getting married. 0k. thank you. we will see what happens. thank you very much. we will follow the case with interest. as you heard, waiting now to see what the supreme court, the highest court in the land, says about this case. i have already given you the department for work and pensions statement. the actress amanda holden has shared shocking footage of the moment a moped gang attempted

to rob a woman and young child in broad daylight. thatin that in richmond in south—west london. have a look at this. that was 11:30am last thursday, in peter schmidt was. i mean, it could have been so much worse. —— petersham. that woman had to grab that child in order to escape the attackers and look at these two guys. they have some polls from the back of their van, and they are chasing the robbers. incredible the traffic was able to stop and did not harm the woman and the child in any way. amanda palmer do not have

followers to contact the police if they could identify the four men who identified the woman police have appealed for anyone who witnessed them to get in touch. if you can help, please do. really shocking. 11:30am in broad daylight last thursday. incredible... going away during the school holidays is way more expensive as you know, but if as a parent you decide to take your children away during term time you can be fined. now one secondary school in essex is offering mums and dads the chance to take their children out of school for seven days during term time. woodlands school in basildon are calling it an "enrichment week" — and it‘ll happen next year in mid—july. it comes as data shows rising numbers of pupils in england are being taken out of school to go on holiday. let‘s speak now to simon cox, the head teacher of woodlands school and to dr amanda gummer — founder of fundamentally children, which carries out research into child development, play and parenting. we also havejenny haken, who is a parent at woodlands school, joining us by skype.

jenny has a child in year 8 at the school. welcome to all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. why have you taken this decision?” coming on the programme. why have you taken this decision? i think it‘s all about the context of our school, the fifth most deprived school, the fifth most deprived school in essex and tenth in england. suffering with significant mental health issues. 2.9% of our absences this year have been unauthorised. 296? absences this year have been unauthorised. 2%? 2.9, 2% above the national average. 0ur pupils are suffering because of the disadvantage, 44% are on free school meals and that means our pupils are behind other pupils who are in more advantaged areas. right, so allowing pa rents to potentially advantaged areas. right, so allowing parents to potentially take their children out of school for all we can go away on a trip somewhere or go on holiday will what? hopefully, when my son is 18, he‘s been to 25 different countries of the young man. he now when he goes to university can talk to his employees

and university about opportunities he has had outside his school based curriculum. hence we do things like the duke of edinburgh, those give children opportunities outside the classroom. in 2018, a lot of our pupils haven‘t even been on a train because of deprivation in the area. this will allow families to sit and work with us to ensure this week away is an enrichment activity that will benefit them. who will pay for it? this is for the family. the it? this is for the family. parents? what if they can‘t afford it? it? this is for the family. parents? what if they can't afford it? we're trying to do our bit to work with families to ensure they can. how? because we are giving them a time to read two weeks before that time. at a fee—paying school, they break up two weeks before everyone else and get cheaper holidays. 0ur families don‘t have that opportunity. get cheaper holidays. 0ur families don't have that opportunity. do you accept that means just because you are allowing this week out of

school, doesn‘t mean mum and dad can afford the cheap holiday?” school, doesn‘t mean mum and dad can afford the cheap holiday? i accept that. wagons to them? we have opportunities in school to support them and work through normal lessons. we had about 200 holiday requests this year to take pupils during term time. we are the second highest issuers of penalty notices in essex so we are strict and our families on attendance, but we have to work with our families, given the significant mental health issues and significant mental health issues and significant deprivation we face. amanda spiegelman from 0fsted at the weekend talked about why british pupils being the underachieved, 52% of boys. we are facing the challenges. i don't think she said it is because they‘re not getting a cheaper holiday. it's about aspirations and you only know what you know. if you haven‘t been to experience opportunities away from the school classroom, you will never know and you won‘t be able to have those conversations with articulate people about opportunities. what

about the research that shows that taking time out of school during term is bad for academic qualifications? i completely agree at certain points of the year. we are placing our timetable, our curriculum to ensure that no one will be disadvantaged by taking them that week of term. a whole week is based around that. the exams are finished, year ten is on work experience, these are the lower year pupils can do that. it cannot keep going through a system where having requests from families to take them out at random times of the year and thatis out at random times of the year and that is disruptive. you could, you could, you could say no.|j that is disruptive. you could, you could, you could say no. i do, and then they get fined. the families factor in the fines now, the £120 for two children. so it is sending out the message, they are breaking the school rules by taking the children out in an unauthorised manner and now you are saying, 0k, children out in an unauthorised mannerand now you are saying, ok, i will let you do it. i'm saying we

wa nt to will let you do it. i'm saying we want to benefit from the enrichment activities. there is a rigorous process the families have to go through to apply for this and the pupils will be taking booklets to be based around the ebac subjects were then will have two research and produce nfl... you will vet the holiday? a week on a beach in spain, no way. greece for a week, athens, if you are going there. whereabouts in greece? athens, there is a bit of history in athens. even in this country. but not al iraqi? you are going to vet the holiday. your child is in year eight, jenny. what age is that? he hasjust turned 13. what do you think of this idea?

i think it's a good idea. i think the schools thinking about how it can support the parents, not going ona can support the parents, not going on a jolly to malaga or anything like that but giving the children the opportunity is their families that a lot of families will not be able to afford during the school holidays because there, the huge prices the holiday companies charge. that is an issue every year but do you think it‘s a fair point to suggest that even with this week in term time some people won‘t be able to afford to take their children anywhere? i agree, some parents will not be able to do that but you can't fix everything. i think the school is doing something to help as many parents as they can. imagine if it was your child, either you are both working so you don‘t want to take that time off then anyway, or you simply haven‘t got the money to take

them anywhere and they are left in class with half a class, maybe, three quarters of a class, a quarter ofa three quarters of a class, a quarter of a class, what would that be like? i think it's the same as if you have any children going on holidays at any children going on holidays at any other time during the year. normally that‘s just one or two people, not a decent number out of 30. no, and i'm sure the schoolwill make sure that during the course of that time there will be other things and opportunities the children can experience during that time. 0k. what do you think of this?” experience during that time. 0k. what do you think of this? i think education is a silver bullet in a lot of things. what does that mean? it is the cure, it helps with social mobility, it can help protect children with difficult home ideas. what do you think this idea? children with difficult home ideas. what do you think this idea7m children with difficult home ideas. what do you think this idea? it is a bad idea for the government to legislate individual schools and headteachers should be empowered to make decisions about individual cases without necessarily commenting on the week off. i think taking a

kid... you are here to comment on the week off, what do you think of the week off, what do you think of the idea? the week off is a really interesting initiative and i'd be interested to see how many families ta ke interested to see how many families take it up. what worries me would be creating the have and have not situation. so you have the parents who can't afford it and you don't wa nt who can't afford it and you don't want those kids to feel they are even more in the minority or stigmatised so i'd be interested to see what initiatives going to support them. in terms of empowering parents and children and schools to make sensible decisions about what is right for individual families, i think the whole fining parents for taking their kids out at school time hasn't worked. we want an education syste m hasn't worked. we want an education system where children are engaged and empowered and there is an environment where parents don't want to take the kids out because they are learning a lot. if we can create that that is what we should support headteachers to create in the first place. some messages from people

watching around the country: excellent idea to take a week off from school. david says: i think we need to alter the mindset of the holiday firms rather than tie ourselves in knots to legislate against terms and absence is to make use of cheap holidays. in holland each state has a different term time meaning there is a constant supply of families holidaying throughout the year. the holiday debate around term time absences is a distraction from the wider issues. some people don‘t even agree with absences waiting, relating to family weddings and funerals which seems ridiculous. it is about data and tracking trends and not real human lives. schools should allow pupils a week of during term time for school holidays. the government should stop the airlines increase in ticket prices during the school holiday period because pa rents school holiday period because parents cannot afford to give fares. the first time you are it nextjuly? yes, launched on tuesday. it will be interesting to monitor the story and track what people apply for and what you say yes and no two and come back to it. it is short-sighted to think

the money only happens in a school setting. absolutely. we must nurture all of children's developers, holistic, mental well— being and all of children's developers, holistic, mental well—being and all that stuff rather than just the school— based stuff. that stuff rather than just the school-based stuff. thank you for joining us. thank you, jenny as well. we have some breaking news from the supreme court which is the highest court in this country. rebeka simon filled and charles who have been fighting legally for years to have a civil partnership is they don‘t want to get married have won battle at the supreme court. they want the right to have a civil partnership like same—sex couples can have have won their battle to have one at the supreme court. we will talk to rebecca and charles in the next hour of the programme but that breaking news in the last minute, rebecca stei nfeld news in the last minute, rebecca steinfeld and charles keidan who wa nt steinfeld and charles keidan who want the right to have a civil partnership like same—sex couples can in this country have won their

case at the supreme court. next, the firefighter who led the initial response to the grenfell tower fire has received praise and support on social media after he broke down at the public inquiry yesterday. after being questioned about the response to the fire, the london branch of the fire brigades union tweeted that michael dowden conducted himself with courage and professionalism in an impossible situation. and called on others to "get this hashtag going". at the public inquiry into the fire, mr dowden said it would have been "impossible" to carry out a full evacuation of the building during the early stages of the blaze with the resources he had. it‘s feared that the delay in ordering a clearing of the tower could have contributed to the death toll. let‘s go live to our correspondent tom burridge, who‘s been at the inquiry. give us more details of what happened yesterday and what we are expecting today. it was a fairly

difficult day for michael dowden, i think, but he was more confident than day one and i‘m not surprised people are coming out with a lot of sympathy for this position. the inquiry is acutely aware of the way this is playing in terms of public opinion and the fact a lot of people are critical of the nature, the way he is being forensically questioned, because this morning richard milik qc, the leading barristerfor the inquiry, started by thanking idle dowden and the other fighters from the london fire brigade who were there on the night for what they did and that was unusual that was on day three of michael dowden‘s evidence that he would do that. it has been crucial for the public inquiry to establish exactly michael dowden‘s thought process on the night, what he did and didn‘t do, because that‘s what the public inquiry is trying to establish trying to ascertain exactly what happened on that night and michael dowden, like it not, was and michael dowden, like it not, was a crucialfigure. he was

and michael dowden, like it not, was a crucial figure. he was the incident commander on the ground for a whole hour once the first firefighters arrived and he was basically in charge of an incident that was really well beyond his rank, we learned yesterday. we have already learned from day one he wasn‘t trained in how and when to decide to carry out a full evacuation of et al back with a fire ina evacuation of et al back with a fire in a high—rise building like g re nfell tower. in a high—rise building like grenfell tower. yesterday there was an interesting exchange between richard milik qc, the leading barrister for the inquiry and michael dowden —— richard millett. about half an hour after he arrived. he had a deranged dummett upgraded the incident to attend pump it was necessary to need ten fire engines. his rank would normally only deal with a four pump incident, an incident worthy of four fire engines so he was dealing with an incident well beyond his rank and he was basically trying to work out as the fire spread, as he put it, like magnesium on the cladding on the

external pa rt magnesium on the cladding on the external part of grenfell tower, what to do. he had firefighters committed to the inside of the building trying to fight the fire from the inside and he was asked by richard millett qc whether or not he thought at about half an hour into his operation whether he thought the state put advice that the fire service was giving well beyond that still to residents in grenfell tower to stay in their flat, whether he thought it was appropriate and this is what he said. for me at that moment in time, to facilitate and change the stated policy to a full evacuation was impossible. i didn't have the resource at that time. we were looking at 20 floors above the fire floor, withjust six looking at 20 floors above the fire floor, with just six fire looking at 20 floors above the fire floor, withjust six fire engines in attendance, one central staircase. that's something i've never experienced as an incident commander before. as i said i was very much out of my comfort zone. ijust don't

know how that could have been done with the resources we had in attendance at that moment in time. it was that tweet from the london branch of the fire brigades union which basically prompted many other people to lend their support on twitter for michael dowden. mark roe, for example, said, i‘m a firefighter of over 30 years service. michael dowden faced an impossible task at the grenfell tower furno and bravely led firefighters to do everything they possibly could that awful night. to question him in the way i‘ve witnessed is shameful. we have seen lots of tweets that reflect the idea of feeling uncomfortable over the weight michael dowden has been questioned so forensically. i think people have to bear in mind it has been difficult for michael dowden and especially on day one he didn‘t come across very well in the media. he was pausing for long periods of time. yesterday he explained that the trauma of that night that he

went through has caused him to basically, on the night, he went into sensory overload, as he put it. his senses were overwhelmed by what was happening, the pace of the fire was happening, the pace of the fire was so quick he didn‘t have the resources on the ground, as he put it. he was going through an incredibly difficult experience well beyond his training and capabilities, as he put it. he said he was out of his comfort zone yesterday in what he was going through. the inquiry still needs to ascertain what was happening, ascertain what was happening, ascertain what was happening, ascertain what he did, what he didn‘t do, and what exactly happened on that night. that is crucial to the first phase of the public inquiry in establishing what happened and making sure lessons are learned so nothing like the grenfell tower fire can ever happen again. tom burridge at the inquiry which continues today. coverage on bbc news as you would expect. we have the latest news and sport at 10am. before that the weather with simon. it's before that the weather with simon. it‘s too hot to me, what about you?

it‘s too hot to me, what about you? it is pretty hot at the moment, we had a high temperature yesterday and the high temperatures and tinderbox conditions are not helping the firefighters at saddleworth moor at the moment. this is the satellite imagery from yesterday and you can see the smoke. we are 15 miles away in our studios see the smoke. we are 15 miles away in ourstudios and see the smoke. we are 15 miles away in our studios and you can smell the smoke in the building. we have an easterly wind fanning the flames and it will get gusty later into the evening. there is little or no rain in the forecast for at least a week or so as well so not great conditions. as mentioned, we had a pretty high temperature yesterday just down the road from here near altrincham, 31 celsius, to be more precise 30.7 degrees. that was the hottest place across the uk. but for this money, just like the last couple of mornings we have had quite a bit of cloud, misty and mcgeechan additions in places. this was in sheffield across eastern areas quite a bit of cloud. in belfast this morning lots of sunshine. northern ireland and scotland is where we are

likely to see the highest temperatures, potentially 30 or 31 celsius in one or two spots. if we reach that it will be the hottest june day in 23 years or so. elsewhere, temperatures widely into the mid to high 20s again, right on the mid to high 20s again, right on the eastern coast of scotland, eastern england, just a bit fresher with that sea mist and low cloud hanging on in places into the afternoon. through this evening and tonight, again, there could be some of that low cloud and mistiness coming further inland around the midlands into thursday morning. quite an uncomfortable night at least initially for sleeping, those are temperatures first thing thursday morning. just like the last few days, if you start with low cloud and mr across the east it will tend to burn away and then we‘re looking at clear blue skies on thursday, temperatures into the high 20s —— cloud and mist. perhaps hotter across scotland and northern

ireland, above 30 degrees possible again. high pressure has giving us this settled weather, still with us into friday, and an easterly wind will continue to bring in that little bit of mist and low cloud across eastern scotland and eastern parts of england on friday once again. 0therwise, parts of england on friday once again. otherwise, you can see by the greenness of the map there is little or no cloud and those temperatures again in the mid—to the high 20s. going into the weekend we are going to keep a close eye on an area of showers and thunderstorms moving their way out of the bay of biscay. there is a chance they could clip the south and south—west of the uk late on sunday. 0therwise, though, it will be another dry day on saturday and sunday. temperatures coming down a touch across the north, 21—24d in glasgow. further southin north, 21—24d in glasgow. further south in the london areas temperatures still into the weekend in the mid—to high 20s. it from me. thereby. hello, it‘s wednesday, it‘s 10 o‘clock, i‘m victoria derbyshire.

welcome to our programme. 50 homes evacuated and a huge moorland fire in greater manchester is declared a major incident. the smoke was really, really sort of dense and you could hardly breathe. plus, your eyes were burning as well. we‘ll be live again at saddleworth moor later in the programme. we look at plans for women‘s prisons, after the government scrapped expensive proposals for five community prisons in favour of a new pilot scheme that it says will cut re—offending. we‘ll be talking to the former governor at holloway prison and an ex prisoner. that later but first, to gosport to hear a statement from jane barton, the doctor at the centre of the gosport inquiry. no further comment, thank you. do you have any message for the families? if you have any further questions, please direct those to the press

office of the medical defence unit. thank you very much for your time. can we get your name? 0bviously can we get your name? obviously we will bring you the very short statement injust obviously we will bring you the very short statement in just a moment. let‘s bring you the rest of this morning‘s news. more than 50 homes have been evacuated as a huge moorland fire continues to spread in greater manchester. the blaze on saddleworth moor has been declared a major incident and the army is on standby to help out. leon parkes, from greater manchester fire and rescue provided this update. we have a large area which has been affected by fire. given the size and the scale of that area, what we‘ve had to do is break that into smaller areas to deal with, which we call sectors. we‘ve currently got two active sectors where we have 25 firefighters at each area, dealing with that situation. there are pockets of fire all over, so what we have had to do this morning is an assessment of the scene, in which we‘ll be using some air assets

to gauge a full assessment, but we are still dealing with the fire situation. the government has scrapped plans for five new women‘s prisons in england and wales. the same number of residential centres will be built instead. the centres will provide help with getting a job and treating drug addiction in a bid to reduce the number of women being jailed for low level offences. there‘s been a 42% rise in the number of people proscuted for breaching community protection notices in the last year. cpns are often referred to as the new asbos and are designed to clamp down on anti—social behaviour, but whereas asbos were handed out by courts, cpns are given by police and councils. the victoria derbyshire programme has heard from people who say they‘ve been handed out uncessarily, including one woman who was given a cpn because her peacocks were too noisy. the supreme court has unanimously ruled in favour of a heterosexual couple fighting for the legal right to enter a civil partnership.

the court decided that the ban on different sex couples entering into civil partnership is "incompatible" with human rights laws. the case was brought by rebcca steinfeld and charles keidan, who both oppose marriage as an institution but want to have their relationship officialy recognised. the duke of cambridge will visit the palestinian territories today as he continues his tour of the middle east. later this morning, he‘ll meet with palestinian leader mahmoud abbas. the trip also marks the first time a member of the british royalfamily has been on an official visit to israel. taxes and regulations should be used to encourage people to lead healthier lifestyles, according to a new report. the independent analysis, produced for the bbc, suggests the public want the government to intervene and highlights the success of the smoking ban and sugary drinks tax. a spokesperson for the department of health and social care said there was a role for both individuals and the state and that the new nhs plan would include a focus on prevention. two committees of mps have called for people to pay more

in tax to cover the costs of providing social care for adults in england. theirjoint report says people over the age of 40 should contribute what would be called a social care premium to help close the funding short—fall that is currently estimated to be £2.5 billion. thousands of homes and businesses are without water in shropshire. severn trent water says the problem is due to high demand during the hot weather which has led to airlocks in the pipes. around 2,000 properties are affected in the telford and much wenlock area. it‘s hoped the supply will be restored later today. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. thank you very much. thank you for getting in touch with us today. use the hashtage victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let‘s get some sport now...

tim/harry is at the bbc sport centre. thank you, victoria. england and harry kane have beenjoining this morning ahead of their final harry kane have beenjoining this morning ahead of theirfinal group game against belgium. both teams already through to the last 16. dele alli is unlikely to return after his thigh strain picked up in the opening game against tunisia. speculation marcus rashford, eric dier gary cahill will start. england are top of the group at the moment because they have one you yellow ca rd because they have one you yellow card in the belgians. argentina, it was very close indeed but messi and company came good and through to the knockout stages of the world cup. we have seen the last of nigeria and iceland, as patrick reports. for once, lionel messi can ride on someone else‘s shoulders. in marcus rojo, yadav fellow heroes is so much expected of messi and what could have been his last world cup stand. the world was watching him,

apart for stand. the world was watching him, apartfora stand. the world was watching him, apart for a second from the nigerian defence. a few members of perfection, messi can do this to a nation, to an icon that is what it means but argentina grew tetchy, touchy. mascherano‘s over tactile approach cost a penalty. what pressure on victor moses? not that he seemed to notice. the chelsea player had flipped the game. argentina were on the brink of infamy, heading out of the competition but at this stage it divides scapegoat for heroes. marcus rojo sent abroad across continents from st petersburg actor buenos aires. a defender of the saviour and the heartbreak. that all might have been pretty much irrelevant if iceland had won. a penalty from gylfi sigurdsson got them level against croatia. 0ne gylfi sigurdsson got them level against croatia. one more would send the competition‘s smallest nation through but is searching for it they left the space opens up croatia to

win the game. it all happened last night in russia. argentina will take on france in the last 16, a great game that will be. they played out the first goalless draw of the world cup against denmark yesterday. the point was enough to take them out through toa was enough to take them out through to a match with another side you saw in that report, croatia. this is what is coming up today... defending champions germany have work to do to make it to the knockouts. quite a complicated picture in that group, led by mexico. later, brazil‘s group will be decided. commentary on radio five live. as we continue the countdown to wimbledon, johanna konta made it through to the third round at eastbourne, her hometown. she said she was happy with her straight sets win and feels she is continuing to raise the level in the

run up to wimbledon, which begins in five days. she faces caroline wozniacki next. i'm looking forward to that, i haven't played in quite some time and she is grand slam champion this year, so playing some great tennis. i really look forward to that battle. andy murray taking on kyle edmund at eastbourne later and in the last couple of minutes, the wimbledon seedings have been announced. serena williams is seeded at number 25. 0bviously she gave birth last year and made her return at the french 0pen, but seeded at wimbledon, the former wimbledon champion. thank you. let‘s bring you that statement by doctorjane you. let‘s bring you that statement by doctor jane barton, you. let‘s bring you that statement by doctorjane barton, at the centre of the gosport hospital deaths, being read out by her husband, tim barton. my barton. my name is tim barton, doctor barton‘s husband. my wife is standing on my left, doctorjane barton. jane would like to make a very short statement. jane would

like to thank her family, friends, colleagues, former patients and the many others for their continued support and loyalty through this protracted inquiry. she has always maintained that she was a hard—working, dedicated doctor, doing the best for her patients in a very inadequately resourced part of the health service. we ask about our privacy is respected at this difficult time and she will be making no further comments. thank you. do you have any message for the families? if you have any further questions, please direct those to the press office of the medical defence unit. thank you very much for your time. studio: tim barton, standing alongside his wife, doctorjane

barton. we can speak to our correspondent duncan kennedy, who was there. a very short statement, really not saying very much at all? no, i suspect that has been lawyered quite heavily by those advising doctor barton, what you might holding statement, really. i suspect also there has been a lot of press waiting outside her home here in gosport and it may be on the advice of idaho lawyers or possibly even public relations people, they have said look, you can put out a holding statement, that may get these large numbers of press to go awake and you will get some of that privacy you are asking for back into your life. —— largent is at the press will go away. i did ask after that clip ended, did she have any message for the families involved in this and doctor barton turned and went back inside her house. to recap on the details of those families, the independent report last week,

exactly a week ago, found 456 people at the gosport war memorial hospital at the gosport war memorial hospital at their lives ended prematurity by the use of opiates and other drugs, that possibly another 200 may have had a similarending, that possibly another 200 may have had a similar ending, but the records for those not as complete as for those of the 456. the independent inquiry found painkillers were administered inappropriately and that there was a disregard for human life at this hospital over the course of many yea rs. hospital over the course of many years. so very much a holding statement from doctor barton. what we are also waiting for at the moment, it could come at any time, is where this inquiry, where this story goes now. you will remember, hampshire police, who have been criticised by many during the course of the inquiry, stepped aside over the last few days. we‘re waiting to see which police force now takes up this inquiry to give it a possible

criminal direction. they will take a look at all the details of that found by the independent panel, to see a criminal charges can be brought. that is what the families wa nt brought. that is what the families want but the police will have to have a look at that. apart from what doctorjane barton have a look at that. apart from what doctor jane barton has have a look at that. apart from what doctorjane barton has said this morning, that is all we have from here in gosport, waiting for news on the new police force to take over. we‘re told that could come in the next few days. studio: thank you very much, duncan kennedy live in gosport. take a look at these pictures. these are the kind of wildfires you usually see in places like california, but this is greater manchester. more than 50 homes have been evacuated because of what police are calling a "major incident" on saddleworth moor. firefighters are struggling to stop the spread of the fire, in bone dry conditions, and the army is on standby to help. our correspondent dave guest is in carrbrook in stalybridge for us now. what has it been like that? there is still a lot of smoke rising

from the landscape but for the time being we have seen the firefighters coming back down off the hill and they look as if they have got it more or less under control. we saw this earlier this morning when we thought it was just smoking and the wind changed direction, whipped up the flames and they had to start again bringing hosepipes up the hillside to try and get it at the control. if you look over here you will get some idea that the smoke is now going down the hill towards the village and this is becoming a problem for people. the fire service saying the smoke isn‘t toxic but it can be very irritating to the eyes and throat and obviously a major concern for anybody with asthma. as you said earlier in the programme, a number of homes have been evacuated overnight, people advised to leave their homes because at one point it looked as if the fire was getting close to them. under control here but this is only one part of a massive area affected by this fire, something like six kilometres of fire have been fought by the fire

services over the past 48—hour sport stop pockets keep on erupting here and there and they are having to break it into sections and deal with that section and then move onto the next one. as to when they will be able to say the fire is completely out, how long is a piece of string? they cannot say at this stage. thank you for the moment, dave. so the emergency services are advising asthmatics to stay in their homes — along with their pets. we can speak now to charlotte hughes, who lives in, about a mile or so from the fire itself. she‘s been unable to leave her home. charlotte, hello, thanks for talking to us, you cannot leave your home, is that right? i'm struggling at the moment because i‘m asthmatic, i had to ta ke moment because i‘m asthmatic, i had to take my daughter to school but i am reliant on inhalers now. in terms of taking your daughter to school, what were you able to see and smell? it is awful, we can‘t really open our windows because i‘m asthmatic.

you can see the ash coming down settling on the cars as well. how far away are you from it? two miles away from car broke where they are saying it is at the moment. in terms of the official advice and the sort of the official advice and the sort of predictions of what you are supposed to do in the next 24 hours and 48—hour is, what have the fire service being able to say? the fire service being able to say? the fire service has been fantastic, haven‘t they? we cannot knock them. they are giving out advice saying we should shut our windows and keep everything as airtight as we can and not go out if we don‘t need to. if you are not asthmatic it is not so bad but if you are it is pretty bad. i have friends in carrbrook and they are worried now because like you said, the fire keeps coming back. we have had fires before and this is the worst we have seen in a long time.

and, imagine what it‘s like for those firefighters fighting that in this heat in the kind of equipment that they have two wear and use to fight these flames. absolute heroes, aren‘t they? they are absolutely brilliant and they are out there all the time. the community have rallied around them to look after them which is amazing. i cannot knock them. i can‘t really comprehend how hot they must be in this extremely hot weather. it‘s unbelievable. must be in this extremely hot weather. it's unbelievable. thank you for talking to us, charlotte. charlotte hughes who lives in ashton. we can talk to sammy buckley now who works at a holiday park nearby. —— sally buckley. are you with us, sally? how far away from this fire are you? just a couple of

miles at the bottom of the rich. say that again. just a couple of miles at the bottom of the hill, the fire is reaching over the ridge at the moment. what can you see and smell at the moment? we cannot smell any smoke today, we are largely u naffected smoke today, we are largely unaffected at the site but we can see the fire travelling down so we are in touch with the fire service to listen to their warnings that they are giving and keeping in touch with our guests on site and monitoring on an hourly basis. what advice are you giving to your guests? just to advise if they are off—site, as we are not affected by smoke we can carry on as normal for the time being but we have a procedure in place if we need to evacuate. what would be the circumstances if you needed to evacuate your camp? if we see the fire travel down the hill there is a large section of woodland behind the park which would mean we have to

have our wits about us and get moving quickly. as i say the wind at the moment is travelling in the other direction so that is quite positive news for us. thank you for talking to us, sally. we appreciate it. sally buckley. women could no longer be sent to prison unless they commit a serious crime under plans due to be announced by the government this morning. the ministry ofjustice says its abandoning building new women‘s prisons and instead is funding new residential women‘s centres. they won‘t be like prisons, and will be designed to get to the root cause of why someone is committing offences. around 5% of the prison population is female and more than half are serving short sentences for things like shoplifting. most reoffend within a year of being released. let‘s talk to jenny earle from the prison reform trust, which has been campaigning for fewer women to be jailed. julia killick the former governor at holloway women‘s prison and first paula harriott, who served a four year prison sentence for drugs offences, and now works with prisoners for the prison reform trust.

i would like to get your reaction first of all to the news that fewer women, it would seem, are going to be sent to jail and it will only be for serious offences under this new government strategy. delighted because my experience when i was a prisoner of seeing the immense challenges that women who are in prison are faced with and the lack of support in a prison environment to tackle things like serious mental health, serious addiction, childhood abuse, domestic abuse, all of these issues require therapy, they require support, they require specialist services that work specifically in a gendered way for women and sadly that‘s really not possible to deliver with the pressure on the prison service that we currently are experiencing. julia, you ran

holloway women‘s prison. why isn‘t it possible to do that inside a jail? most women are kept a long way from home for a start because there is so few women's prisons. we can offer some services but it's one thing to support a woman in prison but it's quite different for them to be released. for example, it is relatively easy to offer therapy for drugs and alcohol because you can't get drugs and alcohol in prison most of the time. it would be so much more powerful and beneficial to reducing reoffending if that support was in the community and you stop your drug use and your alcohol abuse while you are in the community. particularly because, as you well know, so many women are sent in for such short periods, matter of days, weeks or at most a few months, and that‘s not the amount of time to provide the sort of support services julia and paula are talking about, much better to deliver it in the community where women can stay with

theirfamilies community where women can stay with their families and carry on looking after their kids. do you think that will stop reoffending? the rates of reoffending on short sentences for women are very high. and very high for men. is this discriminatory? this is historic neglect of the small minority of people in prison who are women. on that point of short sentences and reoffending, 70% of women on a sentence of under a year will reoffend within 12 months. yes. and for men it is 6096, not a significant difference. it is a significant difference. it is a significant difference, the kind of support services women need and have been deprived of in the run—up to the offending. there are vulnerable men in the prison system. there certainly are and we would endorse the extension of the kind of proposals laid out in the strategy by the government to men in due course but let‘s crack on and get it right for the small number of women and then it can be rolled out to the

larger number of men who are similarly affected. i think the lessons we could learn from piloting this approach with winning who are a smaller cohort, we can definitely extend it to men. it might help with prisoner involvement. obviously men have those issues too, they have trauma and negative childhood experiences, drug addiction. but we need to pilot the approach and then roll it out. it is easier to do that with a smaller group. the difference is, of course, that women have dependent children. that is a very big difference between women and men. much more likely to be primary carers, only 5% of children with a mother in prison stay in their home. on the whole, if the father is sent to prison the children remain with the mother so the impact is very different. how old were your children when you went to jail? between the ages of ten and 17 when i went to prison. what happened? it was traumatic for them. so my work

is around trying to bring awareness of the impact of imprisonment on children. when their mother goes they face the stigma and shame. sorry to take you back, i know things are totally different and your life is transformed. you would have known that. i really didn't. did you not? tell our audience the circumstances. i can genuinely tell you that as a person who was using drugs i wasn't making rational choices, i was ill, drugs i wasn't making rational choices, iwas ill, i drugs i wasn't making rational choices, i was ill, i wasn't well. you are not jailed choices, i was ill, i wasn't well. you are notjailed for four years for taking drugs. it escalates, the pressure around your drug use escalates into all sorts of things you wouldn't do if you were in your rational mind and you wouldn't make those decisions and it is to my eternal shame. i carry that shame continually as a lifelong sentence because i see now the terrible impact of my choices on my children.

lam impact of my choices on my children. i am really welcoming this initiative that can bring mothers and children to bond in a better way. there were periods in prison when i didn't see my children and that was tormenting them. what has been the impact on them, do you think? terrible. lots and lots of inability to bond with people, not trusting people in authority, feeling frightened, feeling abandoned, having early pregnancies, seeking love from other people. my son actually went to prison whilst i was in prison because he had a fight at college. some terrible impacts that i still see today. it took five years for my youngest daughter to hug me after i came out of prison. that's how long it took for her to start to trust me as her mum again. i think those issues are really important but we need to remember

that the government's strategy is targeting low—level, minor offending. the justice secretary says the impact on women is particularly significant of a custodial sentence, the prevalence of anxiety and self harm incidents is greater than for male prisoners as morphine were prisoners are primary karius & dentist lead to a disproportionate impact on children and families and so would like a greater use of community punishments for women rather than short—term sentences. —— primary carers. he would like to see short—term prison sentences axed altogether, what do you think of that? this has happened in scotland, they have a presumption against short sentences of less than three months and they will extend it toa three months and they will extend it to a presumption against sentences of under12 to a presumption against sentences of under 12 months to ensure that only people who really need to be imprisoned because of the seriousness of their offence, or the need to protect the public are sent to prison and for the vast majority of minor offending there are responses, community— based solutions available to tackle the drivers to

that offending. that is proving much more effective, you are getting much lower community stomach reoffending rates from community sentences, particularly when women can link up with services that are knowledgeable and able to help them. a small irony is members of the conservative government have suggested this for yea rs. as government have suggested this for years. as justice government have suggested this for years. asjustice secretary ken clarke suggested after the coalition came in, it was going to be de arriba letitia wright evolution. tackling the causes of crime. we are seeing that language coming back which is encouraging. do you think it is driven not by the evans stomach evidence but because of a lack of money was like they were going to spend 50 million on the new prisons but this is much cheaper.” would argue, what happened that came out of holloway, there is a strategy to close more women's prisons and use the money to reinvest into women. i would ask why has that

money from holloway not been reinvested into women's services wess we do need to invest in women's services. it is not free, the kind of support women need in the community. it is much less expensive than prison, about the tenth of a cost of a prison place to support a woman in the community. but we do need to provide the funding for that. that is our one concern about this strategy, which in every way i think is going in the right direction, it is long overdue and needs an action plan urgently so we see the changes before another decade is out. but it will need more resources than the government has currently committed. given the savings from the closure of holloway, from the sale of the holloway, from the sale of the holloway site and the relative cost effectiveness of women's services we would like to see a bigger commitment to funding in that area. we would like to see much closer to 20 million. 3 million has been offered at the moment. it will be money well spent and we will see

much better outcomes for the individual women and their kids. jamie on twitter says: why should women be treated differently to men? if they break the law they should be treated the same. they are treated differently. they are twice as likely to be sent to prison for a first offence than men, actually. there is quite a lot of evidence out there that they are disproportionately punished for minor offending. they have been victims on the whole of much more serious offences of the ones they are being sent to prison for and that needs to be better understood by the public actually. i welcome the government's work on this front and the fact this tragedy has finally seen the light of day. we will be doing everything we can to ensure that it is implemented. briefly. if people want to reduce reoffending they've got a look at the needs of men and women and they are different and you have to meet the needs to reduce reoffending. thank you forjoining us. time for the latest news — here‘s annita. that‘s a summary

of the latest bbc news. in the last hour doctor who worked at gosport war memorial hospital gave a statement saying she was dedicated to patients. lastly, an inquiry found more than 400 and 26 people‘s lives shortened after being given painkillers. a statement was read out by her husband, tim. jane would like to thank her family, friends, colleagues, former patients in the many others for their continued support and loyalty through this protracted inquiry. she has always maintained that she was a hard—working, dedicated has always maintained that she was a ha rd—working, dedicated doctor, doing the best for her patients in a very in adequately resourced part of the health service. we ask that our privacy is respected at this difficult time and she will be making no further comment.

more than 50 homes have been evacuated as a huge moorland fire continues to spreading greater manchester. the blaze and saddleworth moor has been declared a major incident and the army is an standby to help. we heard greater manchester fire and rescue earlier. we have a large area which has been affected by fire. given the size and the scale of that area, what we‘ve had to do is break that into smaller areas to deal with, which we call sectors. we‘ve currently got two active sectors where we have 25 firefighters at each area, dealing with that situation. there are pockets of fire all over, so what we have had to do this morning is an assessment of the scene, in which we‘ll be using some air assets to gauge a full assessment, but we are still dealing with the fire situation. a terminally ill patient who wants

the right to an assisted death has lost his legal challenge at the court of appeal. mr conway, who has motor neurone disease wants to be prescribed a lethal dose of drugs. he says the law preventing assisted deaths stops his own right for a peaceful death. the supreme court has unanimously ruled in favour of a heterosexual couple fighting for the legal right to enter a civil partnership. the court decided that the ban on different sex couples entering into civil partnership is "incompatible" with human rights laws. the case was brought by rebcca steinfeld and charles keidan, who both oppose marriage as an institution but want to have their relationship officialy recognised. the government has scrapped plans for five new women‘s prisons in england and wales. the same number of residential centres will be built instead. the centres will provide help with getting a job and treating drug addiction in a bid to reduce the number of women being jailed

for low level offences. there‘s been a 42% rise in the number of people proscuted for breaching community protection notices in the last year. cpns are often referred to as the new asbos and are designed to clamp down on anti—social behaviour, but whereas asbos were handed out by courts, cpns are given by police and councils. the victoria derbyshire programme has heard from people who say they‘ve been handed out uncessarily, including one woman who was given a cpn because her peacocks were too noisy. that is a summary of the latest bbc news. tim is back with the sport. thank you, england have trained at their world cup base this morning before they head to the group decider against belgium tomorrow night. the expectation is dele alli won‘t play but rashford, eric dier and gary cahill are ready to come in. argentina pulled off a great escape last night as lionel messi found his form at last. marcus rojo scored an amazing winner against nigeria that took them through to the last 16. the wimbledon seedings have come out at the last half an

hour and after all the speculation, that lady serena williams has been seeded at number 25. the seven time champion is currently outside the top rankings, having given birth last year. british number one johanna konta believes she is improving with every match. she‘s through to the third round at eastbourne, where andy murray will face kyle edmund later today. that is all the sport, more on the news channel throughout the day. thank you. john lewis is warning its profits in the first half of this year will be quote close to zero. last year, john lewis made £26 million of the first half of the year and blamed heavy investment for this year‘s expected fall. it‘s also warned over its full—year profit saying it could be substantially lower than last year. so, john lewis giving a profits warning, effectively, saying profits in the first half of the year will be close to zero. back to our exclusive story today.

this programme has discovered there s been a dramatic rise in the last year in the number of people prosecuted for breaching community protection notices or cpns. cpns are effectively the new asbos — but there‘s one big difference — asbos were handed down by a court, cpns are given by police and councils where they simply decide someone has a detrimental effect on others. they‘ve been given out to stop people feeding birds in their own garden, crying in their own home, preventing people walking in front of their house, or to stop them looking in other people‘s windows. if you breach a cpn, you can be fined and multiple breaches can result in going to prison. in a moment we‘ll talk live to this cafe—owner who was given a cpn which she says meant she and her customers weren‘t allowd to look at a rival cafe, and this woman who was given a cpn because her peacocks were too noisy. we brought you our reporter rick kelsey‘s full film earlier — here‘s a short extract.

peaceful, relaxed seafront living in east sussex. i'm going to show you where we can't go. something that is no more for sheila jacklin and her husband nigel. they got a community protection notice warning letter after the council decided they were harassing their neighbours. something they say they have no knowledge of. so, sheila, this is where you can‘t go? this is the exclusion zone from here. this is very close to your front door. i know! this is where we'd normally walk to the beach. it actually looks as if someone has got a red crayon and just gone around. there‘s no logic it really. community protection notices or cpns are designed to crack down on anti—social behaviour. one of the restrictions bans nigel and sheila from walking into any neighbour‘s property or walking on the beach in front of their house.

what is your overall feeling about what has happened? is it frustration, anger? sadness deep down. i am desperately sad that this happened. i put on a brave face because you have to. but i am deeply sad and i am starting to get... cpns are similar to asbos, introduced a couple of years ago, but while asbos were ordered by courts and allowed individuals to defend themselves, cpns have no burden of proof. they can be issued by councils and police said they believe people are having what is described as a detrimental effect on others. we now know the amount of people prosecuted for breaking cpns over the last couple of years. the powers were designed to tackle anti—social behaviour like dumping rubbish or fighting, but it seems their use has extended much further than that. we approached the neighbours

who made the complaint, who said they didn‘t want to talk and referred us to the council who told us the cpn warning was an attempt to stop the neighbourhood dispute, yet cpns are often praised for cutting anti—social behaviour. we have come to meet a man who is partly responsible for handing them out. is there not some evidence that councils might be handing these out a little bit over enthusiastically? of course, i can't speak for every local authority in the country but the evidence i see is that local authorities are not going around looking for problems. what they are doing is responding to issues, very serious issues, which are reported on to them. we have a duty to protect the public, and we take that duty very seriously. the number of people prosecuted for breaking cpns is rising, so getting the balance between tackling serious anti—social behaviour and other people‘s civil liberties looks

like a problem set to get bigger. here in the studio is adeela khan ? she represents clients who receive cpns — and believes they are given out too freely. also here is francis white, a farmer in essex — she had four peacocks and received a cpn as she was told her peacocks were too noisy and causing people distress. kerry radley is a former cafe owner who was issued a cpn over a dispute with another cafe which she says was unfair and ended with her having to shut down her cafe. and chris grose head of housing at capsticks law firm — who advised the on government on these new control orders. thank you all very much for coming in. so, 20 peacocks, francis, a p pa re ntly in. so, 20 peacocks, francis, apparently causing distress to people who lived in the area where you live which is why you see that

your cpn, was a justified?” you live which is why you see that your cpn, was a justified? i think it could have been handled very differently to what it was handled. was it justified? i don't differently to what it was handled. was itjustified? i don't think differently to what it was handled. was it justified? i don't think so, and the majority of the village didn‘t think so, because they had petitions, placards, they did everything possible so at least we would be able to keep some pea fowl that i had to get rid of the lot. one—woman in the paper saying they squawked at all hours, sometimes as late as one or two in the morning, they are the last thing you hear when you go to bed, the first thing when you go to bed, the first thing when you go to bed, the first thing when you get up. they peck at the flowers tearing them up and met a lot of mess, every morning i go out with a plastic bag to clean up after them. evenif them. even if it is any one person whose life is impacted, that is enough, isn‘t it? life is impacted, that is enough, isn't it? i think possibly be lady, one of the ladies you are talking about used to feed them and then decided she didn‘t like them. the

problem is with pea fowl, they are a creature of habit. they go to a house for one day for food, they will go the next day on the next day and the next bed. the noise from the males is normally in the mating season. they will call for a female but they are also alarmed. anything that alarms, they call out, which is people, foxes or anything else. what was the temper might you received four, kelly? the ecb and i received was first staring at my neighbour's cafe. —— was first staring at my neighbour's cafe. — — what was first staring at my neighbour's cafe. —— what was the cpn you received for? i wasn't allowed to phone their suppliers. there was various things about social media reporting. i wasn't allowed to say anything on social media. when the statement came through from the court, they had no evidence to prove any of this behaviour. when you save the court, cpns handed out by the police or council officer, did you

appeal? yes, i did appeal. the first quartz date was quite frankly a joke. —— first court date. the representative from the council was sticking her thumbs up, representative from the council was sticking herthumbs up, smiling representative from the council was sticking her thumbs up, smiling at the solicitor involved. none of the people involved in the cpn would come to court. we asked the cafe involved a comment and they didn‘t get back to us. broadlands district council says the issue, the notice was issued to you following a complaint and various allegations of causing harassment, alarm and distress. what did you think about the burden of proof before it was issued to you? basically, they had no proof at all. they never came to speak to me in any way before this was issued. so my side of the story was issued. so my side of the story was not put forward. i literally had no say whatsoever. what has been the impact of this notice? i have closed my cafe. basically it

caused me a lot of stress. it was actually served in the cafe, in front of all my customers, with the police, so it was really embarrassing. i have closed now. the impact is basically now that i've seen all the statements from the court itself, there was deep involvement with friends in broadland district council itself. i‘m going to stop you there because they had no information about that and that is an allegation that as far as and that is an allegation that as farasi and that is an allegation that as far as i know we have no evidence for. let me bring in chris. you have advise the government on anti—social government orders, why are they good in your view? good morning. to discuss community protection notices on their context, this is one paul of many. going back pre—2014 there we re of many. going back pre—2014 there were so of many. going back pre—2014 there we re so many of many. going back pre—2014 there were so many different tools to tackle anti—social behaviour.” were so many different tools to tackle anti-social behaviour. i want to talk about cpns. it seems i could go to the council that my neighbour

is really annoying me, they walk past my house every day away to work and look on my window that would be enough for one of these to be issued? no, professionals need and a proportional approach. is so subjective. absolutely, that is the difficult nature we are dealing with, but for every one case where we have difficult outcomes, there will be a thousand victims are very grateful for the fact cpns stopped anti—social behaviour so that kids can walk to school free of fear... it mightjust can walk to school free of fear... it might just be can walk to school free of fear... it mightjust be someone gets slightly irritated by something that for most people might be normal? that is the complex nature of dealing with anti—social behaviour and dealing with people, lifestyle, choices. professionals have been trained to take a problem—solving approach, focusing on risk and harm, and by the detrimental effect is one of the aspects of the cpn. before it gets out, there is a process in place, a warning process, simply

asking somebody not to do something. that was a fair point, you were given a few months to get, to basically... keep them under control, keep them on my property, which i would love to have kept them on my property but half the village love them, they fed them and they would go walkabout. the point is, you were given a chance to sort it before the cpn was issued. yes. what is your issue with cpns, i represent people who have a corporal breach of a cpn, which is a criminal defence. we have new figures which shows a 4296 we have new figures which shows a 42% rise in prosecutions in the last year of those who have breached, what you think of that? what do you think of that? the people i have represented have received a cpn from the police but i have represented a lot more people recently who are of good character, have no previous convictions at all and they are

appearing at court for breaching a cpn. i appreciate what has been said about the legislation but the risk is you can have somebody who has never been in trouble before and as a result of being a community protection notice where perhaps they have not been behaving anti—socially in the first place, all the requirements, what they have been asked to stop doing is unreasonable, they are prosecuted and end up with a criminal record they wouldn't have had before. you say that is unfair? it is unfair because previously with asbos or criminal behaviour orders, a court had to issue the order and decide that the requirements were reasonable and in the circumstances in these cpns it is the police and council make those decisions. we are going to pause to get some reaction to breaking news that we brought our audience in the last hour. we reported the news from the highest court in the country ruling that current uk law does discriminate against straight

couples who want to have a civil partnership. the supreme court decided civil partnerships only being available to same—sex couples is unequal and against the european convention on human rights. the case was brought by rebecca steinfeld and charles keidanren who both oppose marriage as an institution but want to have their relationship officially recognised. we have talked to them in a brough times on the over the years. congratulations. thank you so much, victoria. what does it feel like this morning to have this ruling? we feel elated that the supreme court has unanimously ruled that this difference in treatment cannot continue any longer, we brought this court case four years ago so it‘s been a long journey to get to this point. we have been to three courts, counted four different qualities ministers, finally we have the judges agreeing with us 5—0. we feel elated —— equalities minister is. we

also feel sorrowful and frustrated the government wasted taxpayers money in fighting what the judges called a blatant inequality so we really hope now that the government is going to do the right thing at last and extend civil partnerships to everybody. that's the question, charles, isn‘t it? there is no time limit when the government needs to act on this ruling. where do you ta ke act on this ruling. where do you take this next? the government is under huge pressure to act and penny mourdant, the minister for women and equalities, while there is no formal time limit, the ruling which is so resounding and emphatic in our favour today poses a serious question to the government about what it will do on behalf of the over 3 million cohabiting couples in this country, the fastest growing family type, opening civil partnerships would be good for them, for families and children across the country, notjust for families and children across the country, not just for us, for families and children across the country, notjust for us, and that's why this case is so important today and why we fought it all the way to

the supreme court. finally, rebecca, remind our audience why you didn‘t wa nt to remind our audience why you didn‘t want to marry and why you took this case and why it‘s so important to you. there are lots of reasons why people don‘t want to marry, whether it is because they had a bad personal experience in their previous marriage, or their parents‘ marriage, the off—putting cost of marriage. for charlie and i it‘s the problem of the symbolism of marriage and male—female relations. we have had two children we have had since starting this court battle four yea rs starting this court battle four years ago and we are keenly aware of our insecurity and vulnerability and we wa nt our insecurity and vulnerability and we want legal status and financial protections like many of the other 3.3 million cohabiting couples for our children without having to get marriage. the supreme court has made it very easy for the government to fast—track legislation so they can do fast—track legislation so they can d o exa ctly fast—track legislation so they can do exactly that which would be great for charlie and me and we can finally celebrate our love for each

other in keeping with our values and great forfamilies other in keeping with our values and great for families and children across the country. thank you very much, live from the supreme court where they have heard they have won their case. and with us here are ben piggott and amy grant who would also like to enter into a civil partnership, fiona millar — who says she‘s been ‘happily unmarried‘ to her partner, former labour spin doctor alastair campbell for 38 years, and andrea williams from the campaign group christian concern who are against extending civil partnerships to straight couples. just explain why, andrea. it is a bigger issue than individual rights, society has been based with marriage at its core from the beginning of time. that is something that is recognised as good for policies, children and relationships. why is that? civil partnerships were introduced in many ways in 2004 as an anomaly based on individuals‘ desires for their own rights to be recognised. but actually marriage and regulating relationships, if it

is to be by the state, is something that involves all of us, something that involves all of us, something that society needs to recognise. what we have seen from the beginning of time and the state has recognised is really important is marriage between a man and a woman and children raised within that construct. all of social science shows children do best when raised within that construct.” shows children do best when raised within that construct. i still don't understand why you are against civil partnerships for straight couples. the point is the way in which they are able to regulate their relationships if they so by a desire is by marriage. what do you say to that? marriage or nothing? we have to recognise that society has changed, the way law has changed allowing same—sex marriage is a recognition of new forms of families and the way people expressed their relationships. we don't have to regulate everything in law. relationships. we don't have to regulate everything in lawm relationships. we don't have to regulate everything in law. if you wa nt regulate everything in law. if you want to protect families. i have a family, three grown—up children, married 38 years, i'm entitled to

the same protection as a same—sex couple who choose that sort of family life and entitled to the same sort of protection as a married couple. if you want to protect families in what is a changing society this seems a good way to do it and if look at the statistics since civil partnerships were brought in, a smaller percentage of them have failed than of marriage is. what kind of protection are you talking about? explain two audience members. inheritance, pensions, financial protections, some protections married couples are entitled to in relation to children. this could be regulated in any event and social science shows... i am delighted you have had such a wonderful relationship. i‘m delighted that your relationship has been so good and you have three grown children and is really intact but what social science shows is a quarter of those families that are living without a mother and father in the household are actually from

pa rents in the household are actually from parents that are cohabiting. it shows that where there is marriage those relationships are more likely to stay intact. that is where the state has an interest, the centre for socialjustice just released that and the cost of family breakdown is some... marriage is also breakdown. this is a reflection of the fact that there are different forms of family life and relationships and every child and family deserves the same protection. you are nodding in agreement. explain why. hello. the thing for us is we feel our relationship, it doesn't feel like a marriage. i don't feel like i am a husband anymore than amy feels like a wife. you would like a civil partnership like same—sex couples have? you would like a civil partnership like same-sex couples have? we feel much more like partners and we feel thatis much more like partners and we feel that is a more accurate reflection of our relationship and it doesn't come with all the history of

marriage which we feel uncomfortable but like you say we want legal rights and protections and we feel we are entitled to those. why doesn‘t that make sense to you? well, the point about... the point about all of this is marriage is something that is beautiful... to be a husband... in their view it is different, there are different connotations than marriage has for you. the way ben and amy described it, it's you. the way ben and amy described it, it‘s all right, isn‘t it? you. the way ben and amy described it, it's all right, isn't it? i think that actually society benefits from placing marriage as a matter of government policy in a very high place. you are shaking your head in disagreement. we cannot regulate all forms of relationship, it‘s not about an individual‘s wants and desires and how they choose to describe relationships because that can then be extended to all kinds of relationships. why would that be a bad thing? the state is only interested , bad thing? the state is only interested, should only be interested , interested, should only be interested, if it is interested at all, in regulating marriage as historically understood since the beginning of time. the state has

validated and inform dai —— an alternative form of relationship with same—sex couples. alternative form of relationship with same-sex couples. that was the anomaly and it became rights —based as opposed to society and community and common goods based, that the protection of women and children. what is the right form of family life? it is for the state to protect people in the form of relationships if they choose it to be right for the family. i completely agree. it looks like it‘s going to change so you have lost this one. try not to celebrate too early because the government... the judges have made quite clear that they have given their view with regard to the european convention on human rights but they are not now indicating to government what it is they should do. no, absolutely. one would have expected if they have ruled 5—0 as rebecca put it, the government will have to accept that it is discriminatory. the government could

go to microwaves, get rid of civil partnerships for same—sex couples. would they really do that? —— could go two weighs. penny mordaunt, the equalities minister, already implied she would not want to do that so they have to equalise up. there are only 800 civil partnerships last year, for instance. what is the significance? there were 220,000 marriages. that proves marriage is not being threatened, most people choose marriage but there is an option and it seems a fair way to go forward. it isjust about choice, we're not anti—marriage, we're just pro—choice. we're not anti—marriage, we're just pro-choice. it is quite clear from the way the campaign is worded and the way the campaign is worded and the way the campaign is worded and the way marriage is referred to that there clearly is an ideological basis for this. you wouldn't say that about these two, would you? would you say that about fiona? no, these relationships look wonderful. summarise this. the point is not everything needs to be regulated.

you have made that point and we heard it. sorry, we have got to the end of the programme otherwise we could talk for another hour. thank you forjoining us. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. hello, good morning. we have started the morning with low cloud, mistiness in central and eastern parts of the uk, but for many of us we start the morning with some blue skies and sunshine and this is the scene in cornwall, lovely inviting scene in cornwall, lovely inviting scene at the beach, temperature is widely up into the high 20s. for scotla nd widely up into the high 20s. for scotland and northern ireland are you are unlikely to be the hottest places, temperatures 30, perhaps 31 celsius this afternoon. a little cooler and fresh along the north sea

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