hello, it's wednesday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. after a night of drama, aggro and a thrilling penalty shoot out, england are through to the quarter finals of the world cup.. yes! england are world cup quarterfinalists again! and they've done it on penalties! their world cupjourney continues — they'll face sweden on saturday. mps are calling for prostitution websites to be banned — they say they're fuelling a growth in sexual exploitation and the trafficking of women and they're also asking whether the buying of sex should be made illegal. tell us your views. former football coach george ormond will be sentenced today for abusing boys as young as 11 over a period of 25 years. we've been following the remarkable story of one of his victims over the past couple of years, former newcastle united player derek bell. that's what everybody asks, why

didn't you say something? why didn't you scream , didn't you say something? why didn't you scream, why didn't you shout out? you put yourself in that position — you're scared, you're frightened that you will be undermined by the rest of your fellow players. we'll be bring you his storyjust after half past nine. hello. welcome to the programme. what a morning if you are an england supporter. we're live until 11 this morning. how did you watch those penalties and from behind the sofa, through yourfingers? let and from behind the sofa, through your fingers? let me and from behind the sofa, through yourfingers? let me know. also... later we're going to talk about calls for prostitution websites to be banned, and also calls for the buying of sex to be made illegal. if you have paid or pay for sex, what do you think of those calls? let me know, anonymously if you prefer — but i'd love to talk

to you on the programme later. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about this morning — use the hashtage #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today is that extraordinary penalty shoot out last night which won england the match against colombia and a place in the quarterfinals. nail biting stuff. what a night it was in moscow. amid the fevered atmosphere inside spartak stadium, jordan pickford made this brilliant save from colombia striker carlos bacca. it was then left to eric dier to score the winning kick. that does not happen very often if you are an england supporter! it is the first time england have ever won a penalty shoot—out in a world cup. england's victory sets up a meeting with sweden in samara on saturday. we'll bring you more of the match

and reaction after the news summary in just a few minutes‘ time. police in wiltshire have announced they are dealing with a "major incident" in the town of amesbury where two people have been hospitalised after being exposed to an unknown substance. the man and woman in their 40s are said to be in a critical condition at salisbury district hospital. they were found unconscious on saturday night. our correspondent duncan kennedy is in amesbury for us now. what are wiltshire police saying? well, they're not giving that many details away. it is a puzzling incident all—round, to be honest, victoria. we believe the couple were taken from this address behind me but it is not taped off or sealed off or people in suits like we had for the skripal nerve agent incident exactly four months ago today. it does not appear to be of that order. what the police are saying is that this couple had had suspected

exposure to an unknown substance, having earlier thought to have been involved in possibly some sort of heroin or crack cocaine incident. they now seem to be changing their mind on, referring to this as an unknown substance. they have been taken to salisbury district hospital where they are said to be in a critical condition but they are not giving any more information than that. they say they are carrying out further testing and keeping an open mind on this. this isjust one of a number of addresses where the police are present this morning. not only here on the outskirts of amesbury but also towards the town itself, there's a baptist church about a mile from where we are, we have just come back from there, there, too, four or five police vehicles and five or six police officers and they have put police tape around the church. but again, no other obvious signs of police activity such as men in white suits or forensic people, anything like that. itjust seems to

bea anything like that. itjust seems to be a containment incident at the moment. at the moment all we have are those details from the police that this is an ongoing incident and they are keeping an open mind about it. thank you, duncan kennedy, in amesbury. now for the rest of the news... joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary. the government claims britain will "take back control of its seas" as it sets out plans for the fishing industry after brexit today. ministers say the new proposals will make fishing more sustainable and environmentally friendly in future. our scotland editor sarah smith has more. regaining fishing rights in uk waters matters deeply. it is seen by many as a concrete example of taking back control. the fisheries white paper will see that once we leave the eu, the fisheries white paper will say that once we leave the eu, and have the right to regulate who can fish in our waters, british boats will get a far

more generous allocation of fishing amenities. this white paper is good news for the fishing industry and for coastal communities in scotland and across the united kingdom. we are taking back control of our territorial waters. once we leave the european union, we will be able to ensure that we decide who comes into our seas, who fishes, and we will be able to make sure that more of what is caught in our own waters is caught by british boats and landed in british ports. the uk will also be able to make its own rules to ensure the sustainability of fish stocks. much of the british catch will then be sold into the eu, so smooth access to european markets is also important. the government says market access is separate to the question of access to our waters. but the eu may not agree, not when they have to haggle every year for their boats to gain entry to uk fishing grounds. the government will today make its position clear. the eventual outcome is, as ever, subject to negotiation. police on the scottish island of bute are now treating the death

of a six—year—old girl there earlier this week as murder. the body of alesha mcphail was found in woodland on monday morning just a few hours after she was reported missing. our scotland correspondent james shaw reports from bute. alesha's body was found by a member of the public in woodland. at first, police described her death as unexplained. but after a postmortem examination, they said the nature of their inquiry had changed. we are treating her death as a murder investigation. this has obviously progressed in the last couple of days in relation to our investigations that are being carried out here. alesha's family is utterly devastated by what has happened and the news that we have had to give them this evening. extra officers have been drafted onto bute to reassure the public, but they are also warning people to be mindful of the safety

of their loved ones and the security of their homes. alesha was on holiday on the island staying with family. at her school in north lanarkshire, her teacher said she was a smiley and happy girl who was considerate and loved being part of a group. alesha's death has resulted in many expressions of sympathy and sadness on bute. the revelation that she was murdered will be a further shock to this small island community. the official campaign group in favour of brexit at the 2016 referendum is expected to be found guilty of four charges of breaking election law. the bbc has been told that the elections watchdog will accuse vote leave of inaccurately declaring more than £250,000 of spending. vote leave denies the allegations and claims the electoral commission has not followed the correct procedures. fresh footage has emerged of the 12 boys trapped

in a flooded cave in thailand. each member of the stranded group wrapped in foil survival blankets appeared in good spirits as they introduced themselves after a meal and a health check up from a navy medic. rescuers are now considering how best to bring the boys and their football coach to safety. lebo diseko reports. smiles and hellos as some of the 12 boys who had been missing in these caves give a traditional thai greeting, say their nicknames and, "we are in good health." with them, a thai navy seal, who tells them that the whole world has been following their story. there is even a moment of laughter as one of the boys says he was forgotten in the round of introductions. watching on a monitor outside the cave's entrance, their mums. translation: i am so glad they are still alive and safe. i am speechless.

i want to thank everyone who helped. thank you very much. translation: i'm dying to see him. i miss my son. but getting the 12 boys and their coach out will not be easy. for one thing, none of the boys can swim. and the dark passages flooded with water are so narrow in parts, they would have to go through one by one. the boys may need to learn how to dive or have to wait up to four months for the flooding to go down. water is being pumped out to try and stop levels from rising. the local governors say they won't rush to get the boys out. what is more important is taking a zero—risk strategy. translation: we need to be 100% confident in order to get the boys out and that does not have to happen all at one time. it all depends on the situation. we are assessing the situation now and, if there is a risk, we will not move them out.

but even as authorities weigh their options, more rain is expected within the coming days. while there has been much to celebrate, it is also clear that is much work ahead. a union representing 18,000 headteachers is warning them that standards in schools in england are falling because of a crisis in funding. they've highlighted the plight of an academy in the midlands which has 300 unrepaired holes in the roof. the government says that it's investing 1.3 billion pounds into school infrastructure over the next two years. the metropolitan police are investigating three more claims of sexual assault against the hollywood actor kevin spacey. the allegations were made between february and april this year. spacey, who was artisitic director of the old vic theatre between 2004 and 2015, has now been accused of sexual assault by more than 30 men since november last year. olympic gold medal—winning cyclist victoria pendleton has announced she and her husband are separating. ms pendleton said she was "very sad" that she and scott gardner

"have grown apart". the couple married in september 2013, five years after they got together during the 2008 beijing olympics. news that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtage victoria live and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. really interested to hear from you if you have all you do pay for sex. the reason i'm asking that rather personal question is that there are calls from some mps that the buying of sex should be made a criminal offence in this country. it is not illegal at the moment to sell or buy sex. there are restrictions around soliciting and curb crawling and so on but what do you think of those calls ? on but what do you think of those calls? let me know. i would love to talk to you. let's get some sport. tim, how do you watch those penalties? everybody was jumping

tim, how do you watch those penalties? everybody wasjumping up around me in the pub, victoria, and tried to stay calm because as an england supporter you realise over the years that nothing is guaranteed. everybody was cheering every penalty that went in ijust stayed still and tried to stay calm. but obviously, when the first colombian penalty was missed, i am not going to lie to you, i was a bit like gary lineker, i was very emotional and even more so when pickford made that incredible save. and then when england won, everybody jumping around, i wasjust a bit overwhelmed but excited and one of my glasses lenses fell out! i only realised that afterwards when i tried to put them on, i only had one lens, the glasses were broken, there was beer everywhere! and you lost your voice as well, it sounds like?! yeah, lost my voice...? well, dey did have a fairly late night, i couldn't sleep, i was watching the highlights until about half past one in the morning. it was like a soap opera, as it always has been

watching england as a supporter. but it turned out the right way for once! but it was condensed into 120 minutes, this soap opera. over many yea rs, minutes, this soap opera. over many years, anyone who has watched england, and can there be a more poetic story than the manager of england probably missing their best chance in 1996 to win a major tournament because frankly germany and england were the best sides in 96, and then 22 years later, he is the manager and england are winning their first world cup the manager and england are winning theirfirst world cup penalty shoot—out! it was very difficult to do that drama justice of last night but we will try! most importantly england are into the quarterfinals of the world cup for the first time since 2006 after winning their first ever penalty shoot out at a world cup. it was a feisty and ill—tempered encounter. the referee did not have a great game and, either. it looked like england were going to

hold on when they were 1—0 ahead but classic england, in stoppage time, yerry mina equalised for the colombians and it was heartbreaking for all england fans. and then a nervy extra time before the penalties. jordan henderson missed. columbia hit the bar with their next one. that was before the pickford says, what a save. the replay does it justice, that left—handed save from carlos bacca. eric dier keeps his cool, nothing dire about that! england did it in the most dramatic of games imaginable. and look at the players, like schoolchildren once ain! players, like schoolchildren once again! so the theme on social media, very simple, football is coming home apparently. jesse lingard has got on board with it. david baddiel and frank skinner coined the song three lions and they watched the game together. they still believe. and on

the streets of london foot wall is definitely coming home. —— football. central london overwhelmed by england supporters, victoria. exhausting and exhilarating and as you say, england classic. the roads we re you say, england classic. the roads were empty where i live. i went out to put something in the bin and there was not a car on the road. sweden on saturday — how good are they? they are a good. they should have got a point against germany in the group. and they won there are three other games to hill destroying mexico 3—0 in the last group game. they were not so good yesterday but they are next on saturday. 78 hours to go, victoria. and sweden are through because they beat switzerland in st petersburg yesterday. not a classic but ill for spud's deflected strike was enough for the scandinavians. and they have

history against england. back in 2002 they drew 1—1 and the sweden manager, sven goran eriksen, was also the england manager. and do you remember this? what a goal. joe cole! 2—2 in that match. but this is a knockout match and there cannot be draw this time. well, there be but it will still end on penalties if there is! the last time they played there is! the last time they played the swedes in the world cup, 2006. wimbledon, another busy day? yeah, it is not all about the football. most people feel it is this morning because of the come—down after last night. but day three at the all—england club gets under way at half past 11. yesterday both british number ones went through. jo konta had a real battle but she got through in the end. winning the tie—break in the second set

nineseven. and with no andy murray this year, kyle edmund is the home favourite in the menstrual. and he was really good against australian debutant alex balter. edmund goes through in straight sets. roger and serena are back on centre court today. what a night, exhausting! and here once again is that penalty save from jordan pickford and the penalty from eric dier. what a save! england are on the brink! yes! england are world cup quarterfinalists again! and they've done it on penalties!

the show goes on and england have a part in it, into the last eight for the first time since 2006. and into a last eight with no obvious favourite. and with the knowledge they can win a penalty shoot—out. this one on facebook says, i could not watch the penalties, i went out into the garden and i sat by the beehive, watching the bees to calm me down. i knew we had won when i heard the cheer from the pub around the corner in welwyn garden city. this one says... i could not watch so this one says... i could not watch soi this one says... i could not watch so i turned over to david edinburgh. —— david attoub. well, that will be coming at least! this one says... i ama coming at least! this one says... i am a british citizen living in the netherlands and i could not watch, i

had to go to bed and i received the news from my daughter by text. and i avoided the stress. it was nail—biting and agonising. who can blame england fans are going absolutely wild ?! absolutely unbelievable. who in their lifetime of our generation has seen their lifetime of our generation has seen england win a penalty shoot—out? seen england win a penalty shoot-out? we are here and we are made and it's coming home! it is coming home! when the penalty went in people went absolutely crazy. the scenes in their work amazing. everyone was so happy, even the russians were cheering for us as well, i was awesome. russians were cheering for us as well, iwas awesome. everyone together, brilliant. how do you feel? unbelievable. my knees have gone. i can hardly stand up. i didn't expect us to win it on penalties. it was always going to be the same old story. but great penalties, fantastic. ithink the same old story. but great penalties, fantastic. i think this year could be this could be the year. don't say that! let's talk aboutjordan pickford, the everton

goalkeeper, he received some criticism for his performance against belgium in the final group match last week that he was amazing last night. here he is after the game. always remember at inch tournaments, to get to the final or anything you're going to have to deal with at least one penalty shoot—out, it is quite a high percentage. and we dealt with it really well, we showed our resilience and didn't give up. we didn't lose our heads. it puts us in good stead for the next game and it will give us a boost of confidence. congratulations. so understated, isn't he? let's go to a couple of england fans now and also a sports broadcaster and blogger. welcome all of you. how did you watch the penalties? i watched through hands like this because it was such a horrible experience, the whole match i thought was a ringer, i actually mentioned that it was like doing ten rounds with anthony joshua. mentioned that it was like doing ten rounds with anthonyjoshua. i don't know if that is how you felt but it

was such a hard watch. after that late goal that we conceded i felt like the momentum had shifted and i was just like the momentum had shifted and i wasjust thinking, no.|j like the momentum had shifted and i wasjust thinking, no. iwas like the momentum had shifted and i wasjust thinking, no. i was sat next to my brother and i was grabbing onto his almond i dug my nails into his arm during the game! similarly watched the whole game, got more and more nervous as they store, the first half of extra time we looked like we had given up if andl we looked like we had given up if and i thought this is going as normal. but then the penalties and i thought, no, not dock at 98 or any of the others. it can't happen. and lo and behold we did it. what about you put how do you watch them?” went to a pub with my friends, it was an incredible atmosphere. that is what is so great about the world cup, the sense of community. and frankly in some ways i was gutted when they scored the equaliser in stoppage time but i am glad in one way that we did it on penalties because it showed the character, it

and determination of the players which we will need if we are to get to the final. that's true, isn't it? the penalty who do is well and truly broken, isn't it? jumble i watched in the same pub that i watched us lose to iceland in in the euros and i could see it happening again. i had the same feeling of this, we've done it again. with bottled it. as sooi'i done it again. with bottled it. as 50011 as done it again. with bottled it. as soon asjordan done it again. with bottled it. as soon as jordan henderson done it again. with bottled it. as soon asjordan henderson missed his penalty i went into the bathroom, i dived out, i was like i don't want to watch. and i heard the reaction when they missed one of theirs and i thought, could this actually happened? and it did. did you get out of the toilet to see eric dier? idid,! out of the toilet to see eric dier? i did, i scrambled through the bar, a big shard of glass went through my foot which i am still recovering from this morning, but i got there andl from this morning, but i got there and i couldn't be happier. how much group was there in the game?” and i couldn't be happier. how much group was there in the game? i hated it. and there was part of me that was thinking, we have to win this for the good of the game. because columbia were dirty. —— how much

aggro. they were playing the dark a rts aggro. they were playing the dark arts to a new level. the fact that they were messing with the penalty spot, three—minute delay before harry kane's penalty, the able to do that, i thought, harry kane's penalty, the able to do that, ithought, what harry kane's penalty, the able to do that, i thought, what conviction. and alsojust that, i thought, what conviction. and also just the off—the—ball incident there —— the way they were surrounding the river replyjust wa nted surrounding the river replyjust wanted the referee to get it by the scruff of the neck. he never did haveit scruff of the neck. he never did have it reminded me of a parent getting intimate and negotiation with a kid instead of saying clear off. harry kane, what model of maturity. he has been a star, when he was appointed captain i was a bit sceptical because he is not the kind of guy who shouts at players but he leads by example. when the colombian players were surrounding the referee he would be saying to the england players to move out of the way. and to have that three—minute delay before taking your penalty, and then to do it again in the penalty shoot out, he is brilliant. and it is

penalty redemption modules the gareth southgate? 96 is when he missed it in the semifinals which saw england go out of euro 96. how old are you? were you born then? no, i was born in 2001 but i do feel like i was there! even though you we re like i was there! even though you were —5?! like i was there! even though you were -5?! yeah. southgate said last night about these players writing their own history and not being weighed down by the past and that is fundamental, he said. and it is the first time england have done this on penalties in my lifetime. i think the southgate it was a redemption from 96. to put the penalty heart ache and find us i really do believe it is coming home this year. not just in your lifetime but a lot of us as just in your lifetime but a lot of us as well! absolutely! we're going to talk to peter shilton later in the programme to talk specifically aboutjordan pickford. charlie,

there was that magnificent save before they equaliser, which in a way we have sort of forgotten about. but then in the penalties, the one—handed save was just brilliant. imean, i one—handed save was just brilliant. i mean, iactually one—handed save was just brilliant. i mean, i actually watched that save back this morning. i have watched it about a million times, i can't stop watching it. it was remarkable, it was literally the tip of his fingertips, it was right on the edge and he managed to get it around the post. obviously, they scored from the subsequent corner but i think that got his confidence up. those who players, to stand up and do that, given our record in penalty shoot—out is, it was phenomenal. the passion, the belief. and i think it could genuinely spur them on now. that is a huge moment, arguably better than winning in 90 minutes. would you agree with that? yes, because i think that mentality and character that we've shown that we can take from the penalty shoot—out into the next match against sweden is going to be key. we had nine

days' rest for this one, eight players had been rested for the belgian match and i think it showed at the start, we looked up its tentative. we have a great 25 minutes but it caught up with us and i thought we started to run out of ideas in extra time. so i think there is a lesson to be learned from that. and on the pickford save, we we re that. and on the pickford save, we were talking about this, during play, i watched it and i thought it was going wide and it was only on the replay that i realised what a brilliant save it had been. this viewer says... i had to leave my house at the end of extra time. and i listened to the cheers as i walked around. seeing the pile of red shirts through an open window of a neighbour my stress levels began to decrease. having been to two world cupss decrease. having been to two world cu pss and watched decrease. having been to two world cupss and watched us know out, the feeling is just brilliant. cupss and watched us know out, the feeling isjust brilliant. right, sweden on saturday — that is not as easy as people might think, is it? it's not and of course sweden will have a lot of confidence, having got

this far as well. but i think england will be in the ascendancy not least because we had a penalty shoot—out. the players will feel confident to. and sweden have not looks particularly great in this tournament. sol looks particularly great in this tournament. so i think england sake it quietly, will be thinking, we can do this. and that means, let's say they get past sweden on saturday, thenit they get past sweden on saturday, then it is either russia or croatia in the semifinal — how do you view that prospect? i think we have to go into every game with the mindset that we have the ability to win. sweden is going to be tough, they're very defensive. they are known for playing as a unit. players like raheem sterling might struggle to get in behind. but on paper our xi is more than capable. i think we should look forward to croatia and russia and i think we can do it. what about you, charlie?” russia and i think we can do it. what about you, charlie? i watched sweden—switzerland, i pretty much watched every game, i am not going

to lie, but i was not very impressed with either team yesterday. switzerland had a few suspensions andl switzerland had a few suspensions and i don't think sweden played particularly well. they scraped the game and! particularly well. they scraped the game and i would be devastated if we did not beat them on saturday. i think it should be more of a comfortable game than columbia, if i'm honest. i am not so sure about that. one thing with sweden is there going to play 4—4—2. one thing to ta ke going to play 4—4—2. one thing to take from yesterday is that there weren't that many shots on target so i think we need to have more creativity, i would like to see danny rose start the next match. i think we need more pace. but i think all of the boost that we have got from this result should see us over the line. sweden will pose a much more physical thread, but i think you are right, the system they will play, they will be a very solid unit throughout the game, and it is whether england have the dynamism to break through. having dani rowe is,

a natural left footer, will make a huge difference. tony said, i could not bear to watch the penalties, i watched only fools and horses instead! wendy in newcastle, i had to walk the dogs during extra time, the noise from the houses in the street was crazy. mics says, perhaps games should go straight to penalties. i bet there have been a few sleepy schoolchildren! definitely, but as a parent, well worth letting your children stay up. andy says, you are talking as if england have won the world cup, get a grip. it is coming home! i wish people would stop saying that! just enjoy the moment. thank you, all of you, thank you for coming on. i hope your foot is all right, is it bad?

it will be fine, i am too elated to care? you said you had a shard of glass going through it!” care? you said you had a shard of glass going through it! i will get over that, don't worry! years rijkaard! thank you for coming on the programme. let me know how you watch the penalties, and we'll talk to peter shilton later on. still to come, former football coach george ormond will be sentenced today for abusing boys as young as 11 over a period of 25 years. 19 men testified against him, with one telling the court ormond threatened to crush his career dream if he spoke out. we'll hear from one of his victims shortly. and the government is insisting the uk will regain control of its seas after brexit, and that the future of the country's fishing industry outside the eu is bright. but are those involved in the industry convinced? we will talk to fishermen and women to see if they are convinced. time for the latest news, here's joanna gosling. police in wiltshire have

announced they are dealing with a major incident in the town of amesbury where two people have been hospitalised after being exposed to an unknown substance. the man and woman in their 40s were found unconscious inside a property in the town on saturday evening. the pair are said to be in a critical condition at salisbury district hospital. a number of areas in amesbury and salisbury have been cordoned off as a precaution. the government is setting out plans for the fishing industry after brexit. ministers say the new proposals will make fishing more sustainable and environmentally friendly in future, because the uk will negotiate access to its waters as an independent coastal state. the scottish government says it has significant concerns about the plans, which have been broadly welcomed by the fishing industry. this white paper is good news for the fishing industry and for coastal communities in scotland and across the united kingdom. we are taking back control of our territorial waters. once we leave the european union, we will be able to ensure that we decide who comes into our seas, who fishes, and we will be able to make sure that more of what is caught

in our own waters is caught by british boats and landed in british ports. police on the scottish island of bute say they are now treating the death of a six—year—old girl there earlier this week as murder. the body of alesha mcphail was found in woodland on monday morning just a few hours after she was reported missing. officers believe members of the public involved in the search for her may have vital information and have appealed for information. what i would like to reiterate tonight is that i am still keen to speak to people who were involved in the search that was conducted during the search that was conducted during the early hours of monday morning, just after six o'clock. i am keen to find out who was there, they have maybe not engage with the police yet, what areas they searched, anything you may have seen or heard at the time. the official campaign group in favour of brexit at the 2016

referendum is expected to be found guilty of four charges of breaking election law. the bbc has been told that the elections watchdog will accuse vote leave of inaccurately declaring more than £250,000 of spending. vote leave denies the allegations and claims the electoral commission has not followed the correct procedures. fresh footage has emerged of the 12 boys trapped in a flooded cave in thailand. each member of the stranded group, wrapped in foil survival blankets, appeared in good spirits as they introduced themselves after a meal and a health check—up from a navy medic. rescuers are now considering how best to bring the boys and their football coach to safety. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now. thank you very much, victoria, what a brutal game, and emotionally and physically last night. england are into the world cup quarterfinals, with the penalty hoodoo broken. gareth southgate's side showed incredible character. and every newspaper in the land is talking about it. and next up it will be sweden

in samara on saturday. the swedes beat switzerland 1—0 in st petersburg yesterday. both british number ones are through to the second round at wimbledon. jo konta and kyle edmund win in straight sets. edmund really impressive, but both rude to the second round. and england's cricketers didn't have as much success yesterday. they were beaten in the first t20 match with india at old trafford last night. but it is all about the football tea m but it is all about the football team this morning, victoria, every front and back page leading with it, yes, it really did happen, everybody! that's all the sport for now. nearly a freudian slip there, i

noticed! i don't know what you mean, victoria(!) a former football coach, george ormond, will be sentenced today for abusing boys as young as 11 over a period of 25 years. at his trial in newcastle, 19 men gave evidence against the coach. one victim said ormond warned him to keep quiet, telling him, "i've got your dreams in my hand — if you say anything, i will crush them." ormond had already been jailed in 2002 for similar offences on other young players. one of his victims in that first trial, former newcastle united player derek bell, waived his right to anonymity to speak out on this programme two years ago, prompting more abuse victims to come forward. our reporterjim reed has been following his remarkable story. another football coach who preyed on young boys and their dreams. what he's done over the past 30

years has been horrific. george ormond has been found guilty of offences against 19 players — from the 19705 to the 1990s. the abuse took place at a local boys' club, at a school, and at newcastle football club. these young men had ambition, they had dreams, and george ormond was able to have those dreams and his hands. three goals in five minutes start newcastle... the north east has always been more than passionate about its football. in the ‘80s, the newcastle side was full of household names — keegan, beardsley and waddle. this is where it all started. it is a bit daunting looking at it, really, knowing what went on in there. not far from newcastle's stadium, st james' park, is a well—known boys' club.

you've got the gym up here. the office down there. just going through my mind now, i know exactly where the treatment room is. derek bell was a promising midfielder for newcastle in the 1980s. from the age of 12 to 16, though, he played here. george sort of dipped in and out of every age group. he used to be a physio for the whole club, looking after 200, 300 boys. i think it is at that time we started to question, "what is his role?" was there a point that you started to hear rumours about his behaviour? i think nearly from day one. it is now thought george ormond was abusing dozens of boys at this club. he was a young man at the time, in his mid—20s. he started to befriend my family. he used to say, "i will take derek home," even though i only lived 400 yards from the club. he used to take us to car parks

around the west end, perform sexual acts, ask me to perform sexual acts. what were you thinking as a 12—year—old when someone was trying to do this? with all the victims who have come forward, that is the question people ask — "why didn't you say something?" "why didn't you shout out?" you put yourself in that position. you are scared. you are frightened that you will be undermined by your fellow players. would you be believed? derek bell left the team without telling anyone about the abuse. he was later signed by newcastle. he played for the first team before injury cut short his career as a professional footballer. years later, he started working for the local council, helping to rehouse asylum seekers. one night, i remember it vividly, it was a long driveway. it was trees and all sorts of bushes to get to where the hostel was. i seen this guy with

a hood behind a tree. i went up and, to my astonishment, there was george ormond. these people were coming from all over the country, iran, iraq, african countries, young vulnerable 14—year—olds. they were by themselves. why was he there? there was only one reason why he was there. an angry bell soon found out his abuser was still involved in football. by that point, george ormond was a part—time youth coach for newcastle united. bell warned people at the club, who told this man, former managerjohn carver, but he did not act straightaway. george ormond was still part of the club's youth trip to ireland that summer. the coach finally left the next year, after carver said he used a change in fa rules to get rid of him.

around this time, derek bell said he had a serious alcohol problem. he tried to kill himself three times and was sectioned for his own safety. what he did next he describes as foolish. i couldn't get it out of my mind. i was insane. i was burning. i had never spoken about it all these years. i was an angry man. i went to his home and kicked his door in. if he was in... fortunately for him, he was not in. i probably would have killed him. at this point, bell told his close friends about the abuse for the first time. between them, they put together a plan. one morning, i went down to his house. i knew where he lived. i had a tape recorder in my pocket. my heart was going really fast. i asked him some pertinent questions. why did he feel the need to abuse me? why did he do it? just give us an explanation. he just couldn't. he did say yes —

he did admit to doing it. bell played the tape to his friends, who convinced him to take it to the police. in 2002, 16 years ago, george ormond went on trial for the first time. he was convicted and sent to prison for abusing bell and six other men, all young boys at the time of the crime. i broke down crying. it was very exhausting. will i get a verdict, will the jury believe us, will the judge believe us? all them sort of questions go through your head. when the verdict was read out, he showed no emotion. it was as though it didn't happen. good morning to you. bell was always convinced there were more victims out there. in november 2016, another footballer, andy woodward, came forward on this programme. he said he was abused by a different coach. i can't put it into words what that has done to me.

a wider abuse scandal in football was in the headlines day by day. derek bell, who was anonymous in that first trial, decided it was right to speak out for the first time. if i get one person to come forward, please pick up the phone. don't be ashamed. let me take you back to the decision to come forward publicly in 2016. was that a difficult decision to make? no, it was not, in all honesty. i wanted to support ex—players. i followed the media, the press, the victoria derbyshire show every day. i was watching that, and it gave me the strength to come forward as well. around the time of derek bell's tv appearance, other players did start calling the police. george ormond was charged with another 38 counts of abuse

against 19 young players. at trial, the court heard how he targeted young newcastle trainees in what was a hotel on this site. he abused other boys on school trips, in changing rooms, in his van on the way to matches. he told one victim, "i've got your dreams in my hand." "if you say anything, i will crush them." he used that position of trust to abuse young men. these young men had ambition, they had dreams of going on to glittering football careers, and he relied on the fact that these victims would not be believed if they came forward. ormond did not take the stand and give evidence in his own defence. he was convicted of 36 counts and now faces another lengthy prison sentence. that was the most shocking thing that i've sort of experienced, that this guy was allowed to roam for 25 years. in some ways, i feel responsible for that.

responsible for that? yeah, because i didn't come forward. if i had've come forward, i could have stopped it earlier. i could have stopped it happening to the last victim in 1998. the other way of looking at it is, if you had not come forward, he might never have got caught. yeah — again, you do not know. i did come forward and, at the end of the day, the rest is history. this case will now form part of the fa's own inquiry into sexual abuse in the sport. later today, george ormond will be sentenced to his second prison term. decades after the crimes he committed first took place. thank you very much for all your m essa g es thank you very much for all your messages this morning on facebook, whatsapp and e—mail, a couple more on england, from alan, i am not

normally compelled to contact your programme, or indeed any other programme, or indeed any other programme, but i feel so strongly about this i have no choice. england had the easiest group in this competition, tunisia, panama, the belgian game — the last 16 opponents who played last night were also awful, they are an unpleasant team, very aggressive, not good to watch. the point i am trying to make is that the hype from the media is absolutely ridiculous, yourself included. i like your programme, hard—hitting journalism, included. i like your programme, ha rd—hitting journalism, but you have found yourself becoming absolutely giddy by england winning games against, with respect, awful and easy teams. no—one on the tv has acknowledged that england have been fortu nate acknowledged that england have been fortunate in who they have been drawn against, and this is what has compelled me to write. i think the tea m compelled me to write. i think the team will do well in the future, but please acknowledge they have had an easy ride! they have not been properly tested by quality opposition, if they trying and give an excellent account of themselves, i will be the first to recognise it. kind regards, alan. alan, you may be

scottish, that is not to lessen your sentiment, you are right, it has been pretty easy so far. but still, you know, england, in the past, have lost against not very good teams. so thatis lost against not very good teams. so that is why england supporters are quite happy. steve says, how i watched the shoot out? my wife and i had tickets for an amateur dramatic show, so i received some notifications from the bbc sport app, with my phone on silent, vibrating, while we watched the show. i have to say, that phrase, am—dram show, my heart sinks. i could feel the notifications coming in with every shot, but i had to wait 20 minutes before i could look, what a relief! later we will be talking about calls from some mps for prostitution websites, classified adds websites, to be banned because some say they are fuelling the exploitation of women.

and the trafficking of women as well. there are also calls today for the buying of sex to be criminalised. it is not a criminal offence to buy or sell sex in this country. one person says i work as a male escort, it is how i pay the bills, i have postgrad qualifications and work as a senior contract when i can. you do mental health issues, particularly anxiety and offers working, i can't always manage this. you would be surprised by the cross—section of men who are escort, straight, gay, married, young men, single men who cannot be bothered with relationships. i am extremely selective about who i see, but i have had some political staff arrived wearing their line yards. many or most escorts, male and female, are not trafficked slaves, but ina female, are not trafficked slaves, but in a similar position to myself. if mps want to tackle sex trafficking, then tackles sex trafficking, then tackles sex trafficking, but this is a lazy,

vague and predictable example of throwing the baby out with the bath water. we will talk more about that after ten, really interesting to hear your views, and thank you very much for your personal experience. today, the government has insisted the uk will take back control of its seas after brexit and that the future of the uk fishing industry is bright. to explain everything you need to know about it — hook, line and sinker — here's chris morris. everybody wants something from the brexit talks. but when they're finally over, will fishing be the one that got away? the government had promised that when we leave the eu in march 2019... we're also leaving the common fisheries policy... but there's a catch. a 21—month transition after brexit has been agreed in principle. during that time, all rules and regulations will stay the same. the eu refused to make fishing a special case. i completely understand how fishing communities feel about the situation at the moment — i share their disappointment. so why do so many people

in fishing communities hate the common fisheries policy? it basically sets rules for how many tonnes of each species of fish can be caught in eu waters. it then divides that up into quotas for every country, and tries to make fishing sustainable to make sure stocks don't run out. but for years, uk fishermen have insisted that other countries have got a better deal. you've got foreign vessels coming up and down all the time. and now they fear they could be let down again. hook, line and sinker. on paper we're leaving, but we're not, we're still going to have rules and regulations. we need to walk away, that is what we voted for. what they want and what he is promising is full control of british waters, where an awful lot of boats from other countries fish. in fact, nearly 60% of all the fish caught in british waters are landed by boats from elsewhere in the eu. so will british fishing fleets get what they want in the long term? hard to know, because it's not only

about catching fish, it's about selling it as well. at the moment, selling fish into europe couldn't be any easier than what it is. the uk sends nearly £1 billion worth of fish produce to the eu every year without tariffs or taxes. now the eu says, if you want that to continue, then its boats still need to be able to fish in british waters. you get market access in return for fishing access. the government says that is not acceptable, and there has been protests. but chucking a few dead fish into the thames won't make much difference, although some tory mps have threatened to vote against a brexit deal in parliament if fishing gets sold down the river. the bottom line is that fishing accounts for well under 1% of the british economy. in many coastal communities, though, there are a few otherjobs around.

the government has promised to protect fishing, but when it comes to the crunch, will other things in the brexit talks take priority? the fishing industry worries that the promise of a better future could still slip through the net. let's get reaction from john nichols, chairman of the thanet fishermen's association in kent. also,jimmy buchan, the owner of amity fish company in peterhead in aberdeenshire. you may also remember him from the bbc series trawlermen. and angela harrison, who is a partner in pengelly fishmonger‘s in looe in cornwall. what do you think it is going to be like for you after brexit, angela? well, we are all not sure what is going to happen. we'd like to think that our government are going to support the fishing industry in making sure that we are able to fish

and have our waters back, take control, and help young people to come into the industry. those things aren't happening at the minute. jimmy, what do you think it will be like after brexit? well, i sincerely hope it will be what we are envisaged, that we have a thriving community, just like the predecessor, that people want to see fishing as a career move. i have done it for 40 years, it has certainly been an interesting journey, but there is a huge opportunity here to allow the coastal communities right around the coastline of the uk to grow and thrive, and let us be that proud nation of maritime fissures that we used to be. john nichol is? i think he has got it spot on, i am cautiously optimistic that there will be a future for us. i come from

the small boats sector, wherejim comes from the large sector, we are all fishermen, we all provide a food source, and we are an important part of our community. fishing around the coast is the breeding ground of young fishermen, especially the initial sector, and they made progress on. yeah, we have got to put a marker down, and be positive about brexit. you sound like you are really forcing yourself to sound like it is going to be a good thing, or is that unfair? i sailed up the thames with a lot of small boats and some of the larger ones, asjim will know, and it was all about brexit, it was all about coming out, all about getting a better deal for our industry. i have retired from the industry, but i represent a lot of small boats on the north kent coast, and you know, we want a brighter future for our industry. which

should be brighter after brexit. future for our industry. which should be brighter after brexitm should be brighter after brexitm should be brighter after brexitm should be brighter, let's hope it is. it's down to the politicians. wise to do what, specifically? we have got to be firm and solid with brexit. at the moment, there is a lot of pussyfooting about. brexit is a golden opportunity to get rid of the common fisheries policy, which isa the common fisheries policy, which is a failed policy, and have a fresh start. we need to take back control of our waters... so that is going to happen, isn't it, we won't be in the common fisheries policy, we won't have to abide by those rules and let people fish in our waters? obviously it means restrictions on us, but is that a good thing? absolutely. look, the whole thing here is, 40 years ago, when we joined the common market, all the things that came with it, we were given a bad deal.

this is about reshaping what we think went terribly wrong all those years ago. we have got a situation here where we get 40% of the fish that swims in our waters, as opposed to our european cousins, who gets 60%. we want to change that balance. surely, we as the nation with the fish around our coastline should have the lion's share. we're not asking for something wrong, we just wa nt asking for something wrong, we just want a asking for something wrong, we just wanta fairshare. asking for something wrong, we just want a fair share. angela, do you have worries? what would you say to the government when they are negotiating this in terms of what you definitely won't? well, i believe, what gets me very angry is that people out of the industry don't value our industry. look at the commodity we have, look at all the commodity we have, look at all the water around our island, look at our industry, with billions and billions of pounds. we could still

fish sustainably, we are responsible buyers, buying from responsible fishermen, and we need to support this, support the future of our industry, and if they don't, well, you just say cheerio to fishing. seriously, you think it could be that detrimental? do, yeah, they don't value our industry. when you say they, who do you mean? the government do not recognise the potential that fishing has for our country. is that fair? yeah, i think so. country. is that fair? yeah, i think so. when you look back over the last 50 years, our fleet has depleted to where it is today, and we are on the bones of our backside at the moment. and whose fault is that? europe, along with our government. asjim said, we went into a trading association, we are now in the european union, which is a dictatorship. we are told what we

can and cannot catch in our own waters. we are an island nation. we had the greatest fishing fleet anywhere in the world, the best fishing grounds anywhere in the world. now we are the poor relative. 0k, world. now we are the poor relative. ok, well, thank you, all of you, we will see what happens. thank you very much for coming on the programme, angela, jimmy, john. we will bring you the latest news and sport in just a we will bring you the latest news and sport injust a moment, but before that all the weather with simon, hello, lovely to see you! i have come all the way from costa del salford, it is cloudier down here! and it is a little bit cooler today as well, temperatures not as high as over the last few days, 30 degrees yesterday in porthmadog in

north—western wales, today those temperatures more like 25 or 26 celsius. lots of sunshine across scotland, northern ireland, north—west england, but further south, more cloud at the moment, a chance of a few showers drifting in, particularly the south west of england during this afternoon, but those temperatures generally lower than they have been, 24—26 celsius, cooler on the north—eastern coast. not a great deal of change tonight, really, temperatures into the early hours of the morning no lower than 15 degrees, perhaps 16 in the south. but a few more showers coming up across southern but a few more showers coming up across southern areas but a few more showers coming up across southern areas during thursday, one or two on the heavy side during thursday across southern parts of the uk. otherwise, a little bit drier, cooler in scotland and northern ireland on thursday, but by friday those temperatures rising again in scotland and northern ireland. temperatures rising across

the south, 30 celsius in london into the south, 30 celsius in london into the weekend, quite warm and humid. hello it's wednesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. england prepare for the quarter finals for the first time in 12 years — after winning their first ever world cup penalty shoot—out, 4—3 against columbia in moscow. (sor) (upsot ow: done it on penalties 12 secs) yes! engler and our world cup quarterfinalists again — and they've done it on penalties! their extraordinary world cup journey continues — they'll face sweden on saturday. former england captain peter shilton will be with us live in the studio to shre his thoughts on the tem's performance. mps are calling for prostitution websites to be banned. they're also asking whether the buying of sex

should be made illegal. we'll talk to nikki adams from the english collective of prostitutes in the next few minutes. former football coach george ormond will be sentenced today for abusing boys as young as 11 over a period of 25 years. one of his victims, former newcastle united player derek bell, spoke to us two years ago prompting more abuse victims to come forward. now he can tell us his whole story. inside i was burning, i'd never... spoke about it all these years. i was an angry man. and, you know, i went to his home and kicked his door in. and if he was in — fortunately for him he wasn't in... the way i was feeling i probably would have killed him. good morning, it's 10 o'clock. here's joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the days news. police in wiltshire have announced they are dealing with a "major incident" in the town

of amesbury where two people have been hospitalised after being exposed to an unknown substance. the man and woman in their 40s were found unconscious inside a property in the town on saturday evening. the pair are said to be in a critical condition at salisbury district hospital. a number of areas in amesbury and salisbury have been cordoned off as a precaution. our correspondent duncan kennedy sent this update from the scene. the couple were taken we believe from this address behind me here. you can see a couple of police officers at the scene. but it is not taped off or sealed off or people in suits like we had for the skripal nerve agent incident exactly four months ago today. it does not appear to be of that order. the police are saying that this couple have had suspected exposure to an unknown substance, having earlier thought to have been involved in possibly some sort of heroin or crack cocaine incident. they now seem to be changing their mind on, changing

their mind on, referring to this as an unknown substance. they have been taken to salisbury district hospital where they are said to be in a critical condition but they are not giving any more information than that. they say they are carrying out further testing and keeping an open mind on this. the government is setting out plans for the fishing industry after brexit. ministers say the new proposals will make fishing more sustainable and environmentally friendly in future because the uk will negotiate access to its waters as an independent coastal state. the scottish government says it has significant concerns about the plans, which have been broadly welcolmed by the fishing industry. this white paper is good news for the fishing industry and for coastal communities in scotland and across the united kingdom. we are taking back control of our territorial waters. once we leave the european union, we will be able to ensure that we decide who comes into our seas, who fishes, and we will be able to make sure that more of what is caught in our own waters is caught by british boats and landed in british ports. police on the scottish island of bute say they are now police on the scottish island

of bute say they are now treating the death of a six—year—old girl there earlier this week as murder. the body of alesha mcphail was found in woodland on monday morning just a few hours after she was reported missing. officers believe members of the public involved in the search for her may have vital information and have appealed for information. what i would like to reiterate tonight is that i am still keen to speak to people who were involved in the search that was conducted during the early hours of monday morning, just after six o'clock. i'm keen to find out who was there, they have maybe not engaged with the police yet, what areas they searched, anything they may have seen or heard at the time. the official campaign group in favour of brexit at the 2016 referendum is expected to be found guilty of four charges of breaking election law. the bbc has been told that the elections watchdog will accuse vote leave of inaccurately declaring more than £250,000 of spending. vote leave denies the allegations and claims the electoral commission

has not followed the correct procedures. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. thanks for your messages about how you watched the penalties. we had someone you watched the penalties. we had someone who was you watched the penalties. we had someone who was at a you watched the penalties. we had someone who was at a amateur dramatic show who was getting alerts and someone who had to leave the house and sit by her beehive because she could not cope with the stress. and also someone in stockholm, who says... iam here and also someone in stockholm, who says... i am here with my swedish wife and i watched the game at home, a pub might not be the best place for me to see it this weekend. martin texted from glasgow... i don't know if he is pulling our leg because this seems so beyond the pale. i have a confession, i am scottish. i am pale. i have a confession, i am scottish. iam not pale. i have a confession, i am scottish. i am not overly known for cheering on england in football. i should hope not! but they have managed to get me right behind them. gareth southgate is... i cannot

believe what the scottish nation will be reading as —— thinking as i read this out. gareth southgate is a credit to his nation and the players have been great. anyone wanting to poll cold water on england should chill out. really, if gareth southgate is converting scotland supporters to support england, that isa supporters to support england, that is a first! it's really refreshing and it is making me hugely confused, he says. s, i need to talk to about this. he has actually texted about! and do you know gareth southgate has increased the sales in waistcoats by 100% coverage it does not surprise me. actually i think it is about 33%. you are a stickler for statistics! it is very difficult to do the drama of what happened last night in moscow justice do the drama of what happened last night in moscowjustice but i will try. most importantly, england into

the world cup quarterfinals for the first time since 2006. you all know that and you all know, the first ever penalty shoot—out that england has won at a world cup. it was an ugly has won at a world cup. it was an e has won at a world cup. it was an t has won at a world cup. it was an ugly game at times, elton had and feisty. the referee could not control it for much of it, either. but england went ahead through a harry kane penalty, who well summoned he is the leader in the golden boot race with six. in injury time yerry mina equalised the columbia, heartbreak for england fans. and then a nervy extra time. and then forjordan henderson to miss a penalty and colombia to hit the bar with their next spot kick before, well, that speaks for itself, doesn't it? a brilliant one—handed save byjordan pickford. and eric dier winning the game, keeping his cool. england breaking their duck in the most dramatic of games imaginable. let's hearfrom

dier. i did not really think about the history while doing any of it, really. i think we were really well prepared for it and we were so well prepared for it and we were so well prepared that i feel like there was a calmness about us throughout. and i think that showed in the penalties. so, the theme on social media, very simple. football is coming home. you have all heard it! jesse lingard on board with it. he's told his mum he will be staying in russia a little bit longer. baddiel and skinner, helped write the three lions song and watched it together. and on the streets of london... # football's coming home... astonishing scenes in central london last night! so, let's look forward, saturday, 3pm, make some plans. might already have, i've got my

phone. england will face sweden in the world cup quarterfinals live on bbc one. and here's how the swedes made it through. they beat switzerland 1—0 in st petersburg. slightly less dramatic. pretty poor game. emil forsberg's deflected shot the difference. it is the first time sweden have reached this stage of the competition since 94 so they are making history as well. at wimbledon, jo konta is through to the second—round. she reached the semis last year. she had to hard for her straight sets win yesterday. she came through 75—76 and she faces dominika cibulkova next, who is a really good player on grass. kyle edmund beat australian debutant alex bolt in straight sets. but it was

not all british sporting firms yesterday. in the cricket england started their summer series with india and they were beaten. lost against india at old trafford, in the winning by eight wickets. the second match is in cardiff on friday. is there anything like football to turn grown men into schoolboys? even the england cricket tea m schoolboys? even the england cricket team were watching the game last night, victoria, and there was a video of them singing the three lions song themselves. of course they were! i havejust lions song themselves. of course they were! i have just remembered lions song themselves. of course they were! i havejust remembered i have got an appointment to have my highlights done at half past one on saturday afternoon, miles away from where i live. we can never speak again if you attend that! i've already e—mailed them, don't you worry! i need to bring that appointment forward. sort that out! you are like my mum, every saturday!

around lunchtime, she gets her hair done. i'm going to have to tell her to cancel that as well! how old is your mum, out of interest? 21, i believe. good answer! thank you very much, tim. i hope she is watching that! should prostitution websites be banned? mps will debate banning them later today amid claims that they are fuelling a growth in sexual exploitation and the trafficking of women. some mps are also calling for paying for sex to become a crime. at the moment, buying and selling sex is not illegal, although it's different in northern ireland. earlier this year i reported from inside a brothel here in the uk — and met louise, a woman who told us why she chose to work there as a prostitute. originally, i fell into this work a few years ago. i needed money fast and i made it fast. i went on to do a few normaljobs, office work, i went to uni, and then i made this decision to go back into this kind of work. it is so i can provide

for myself in the future. some people will not believe you. they will not believe you have made a positive choice to sell your body for sex in order to make money. convince them. i understand that completely. i think there is a really negative stereotype within society that makes people think that women are doing this to fund a drug habit, or because they are so desperate they have no other options. or because they have been trafficked, forced and coerced into this type of work. they cannot seem to wrap their heads around the fact that i want to do this kind ofjob. that it's my choice. i enjoy this kind of work. that i would not be doing it if i did not want to. there we go. that is absolutely gorgeous. thank you so much. why would you choose to be a prostitute? that is what people do not understand. why do people choose that? i choose to do it because i want money and i want to earn a good wage.

i don't want to have a regularjob where i earn a minimum wage. it is difficult for women to make money at a young age. i do it because i make good money. i am saving up for myself. i want a future for myself. i do not want to have to rely on anyone else. i want to be financially secure and independent. do you always enjoy yourself? sometimes i will enjoy myself more than at other times. i think that is true of anyjob. you will like some clients more than others, regardless of the type of work you're doing. brothels are illegal in england and wales, as you know. it is not illegal to sell sex or buy sex in a brothel, unless you're involved in operating it. what do you think about that? i would personally love to see brothels decriminalised, regulated, even legalised and licensed. my problem with the law that states that women cannot work in brothels in groups of two or more is that i cannot do myjob within the confines of the law.

it is almost as if the government has said, you can sell sex, you can sell yourself, but we are going to make it as dangerous and as difficult for you to do that is possible in the hope that it will stop you doing it. louise talking to me earlier this year. detective sergeant stuart peall was the officer in charge of a case in lancashire where six men and one woman were jailed?for their part in a sex trafficking ring. the group had been bringing women from romania and sexually exploiting them in a network of brothels around the uk through the use of a classified ads website. niki adams works for the english collective of prostitutes, a network of women working in the sex industry which campaigns for decriminalization of sex work and for sex workers' safety. she believes the websites provide protection for prostitutes, and without them women could end up on the streets or in brothels. the government is facing demands

to ban these classified ads websites over fears they are fueling a growth in sexual exploitation. how do you respond to that? well, first of all we have seen the impact ofa well, first of all we have seen the impact of a law like this in the us, it isa impact of a law like this in the us, it is a trumpet inspired law called sesto and foster and it was brought ina sesto and foster and it was brought in a little while ago and already, street work has increased in a lot of different places which of course isa of different places which of course is a problem because it is much more dangerous. and sex workers are saying it is much harder to screen clients, because when you're advertising and working online, advertising and working online, advertising online like that, you can actually engage with the client, you can check out who they are, you can make sure that you agree what services you're going to provide, there's a whole interaction that's possible that won't be possible. and we are also particularly worried that if those sites are closed down, sex workers will end up much more

compelled to work for very exploitative novel owners. let me bring in detective sergeant stuart peall if i may. what impact do you say these websites have on the trafficking of women and we have run two large operations in lancashire that have resulted in 15 people being found guilty of conspiring to traffic vulnerable women under sexual exportation. certainly the latter investigation has also shown that about £40,000 was put through these adult websites by men. by the traffickers, by the pimps? exactly, yeah. i don't know the policies specifically of the websites but you would think that that amount of money being advertising women online would start to ring alarm bells. and when you have spoken to some of the women that you were helping to rescue effectively, what have they said? both operations we have run in

lancashire we have run them without complaints. so when the women have been spoken to, they make no complaint, in essence. howeverwe believe that is down to the exploitation and the pressure they are under back home and the pressure they are put under from these men. so they tell us very little. but it isa so they tell us very little. but it is a belief that we should do something about it and that is why we run them complaintless. and why do they use these websites to sell the women and it is all about money. the websites will reach out far and wide all across the country. it is available to view. there's numerous women working in every part of the country in england. and it's all about the money and the revenue it will make. if you look at the £40,000 they put on, they have to be making a profit on it so the money i think is massive. niki adams, of these classified ads websites can be used by traffickers to exploit women? i'm not sure, actually. if

and from what the policeman has just saidi and from what the policeman has just said i don't know whether the people we re said i don't know whether the people were actually convicted of trafficking where there was force and coercion involved. you know, in the all all—party parliamentary group, they mix up what they call sexual exploitation, which is prostitution, which is the exchange of sex for money, with trafficking. is the allegation that these websites trafficking was taking place orjust websites trafficking was taking place or just that websites trafficking was taking place orjust that it websites trafficking was taking place or just that it was prostitution? because prosecuting the people for this kind of advertising poster tuson is going to first of all harm the women, mainly women, who are advertising through those sites. and the majority of adverts on those sites, the vast majority, 99%, are women working independently. if there are insta nces independently. if there are instances where there is abuse and coercion and rape and other violence, that has to be tackled. but this is not the way to tackle trafficking. if you want to tackle trafficking, you have to start with dealing with the violence and abuse that sex workers actually report to

the police, ensuring that there is a good relationship between sex workers and the police so that women can come forward and report. and this kind of crackdown is going to make it worse. detective sergeant stuart peall? i can only comment on the operations we have run and as i said before those 15 people pleaded guilty to trafficking. that was our case and that is what they pleaded guilty to. the fact that men are putting... it is men that are putting... it is men that are putting this amount of money onto the websites, my first question would be, if the woman is doing it of her own free will, why is she not paying for it herself? well, most of the women are paying for the ads themselves. even where there is a group of women who may have one person that's organising that, it does not necessarily mean that it is coercive or trafficking. as you will well know, the trafficking law in this country does not require force and come washing —— force and cushion to be proved. it is actually an anti—people smuggling law. so it

is very difficult to dissect a lot of this stuff. but the fundamental case that we would like to make is that a lot of women are working in poster tuson to support themselves and their families, the poster tuson to support themselves and theirfamilies, the majority are mothers and the majority of them are single mothers and if you crack down on this kind of online advertising, are doing to put women more at risk. i want to ask you finally about calls from some mps that the buying of sex should also be made illegal. at the moment it is not illegal to buy or sell sex — what do you think of that? well, it is really motivated by a moralistic kind of disapproval of prostitution. and a desire to ban prostitution... some of the mps would say the motivation is to protect women? well, if they look at what has happened in the countries where clients have been criminalised, they will find that stigma and discrimination against sex workers has increased and that sex workers has increased and that sex workers has increased and that sex workers are continuing to be prosecuted for working together and

in many other ways. we do not understand why those labour women mps in particular who are interested in reducing prostitution, as we would like to ideally, do not start and focus on the massive problem of poverty and overwork and zero—hours contracts and lack of incentives... to be fair some of them do concentrate on those. but that is the way to do something about prostitution and exploitation within prostitution and exploitation within prostitution without harming current sex workers. and we haven't been asked. you invited us on to comment on this. all those labour women mps who should really start from a principle of involving the people who would be most impacted have not engaged with us at all, have not consulted us, and their report had no evidence from current sex workers in it. and that is really a scandal. john texts in to say... if these websites are banned it will create areas where people will curb crawl. curb crawling is illegal, as you know. this will make prostitutes

more vulnerable and local residents will not like it, either. it should be more about preventing abuse than to stop people buying and selling. this one says... making payments for sex illegal will push it even more into the hands of criminals. better to legalise it and put control in the hands of people who provide the services. and wayne says... if the government thinks this would stop it they are mistaken. criminalising it won't work. thank you both are coming on the programme. —— for coming on the programme. —— for coming on the programme. coming up... they've now got food, medical supplies and hope, but the 12 boys trapped with their football coach in a flooded cave in thailand may have to stay there for months. if they're to get out sooner, they'll have to learn to scuba dive, otherwise they'll have to wait for the water to recede. we'll bring you the latest shortly. egnland supporters cannot stop watching that penalty save from jordan pickford.

here it is again with that final winning penalty from eric dier... commentator: carlos bacca looks confident... saved by pickford! pickford... what a good... and dier does it! england win a world cup penalty shoot—out for the first time ever! england supporters went crazy across the country — this was how mps reacted at the house of commons as the final penalty was taken. joining us now is

peter shilton, former england captain and goalkeeper, u has played more times for england than anyone else. heap was playing when england lost to germany on penalties in 9090. billy grant, an england superfan who is in moscow and was at last night's match, and swedish sports journalistjohanna franden. peter shilton first of all — jordan pickford's one—handed save, oh, my god... exactly! good morning! and it was 20 years ago, not 30. i'm sorry,

that's my fault! but we're not worried about this —— that this morning because what a fantastic result of. and thejordan pickford to make the vital save was absolutely brilliant. he got a little bit of criticism, quite a lot, after the belgium match from certain people. but i stuck up for him because i believe that he's got great potential. and he was the hero last night and fantastic for him. and fantastic for the country, because i'm actually on a golf day today so i do not always dressed like this but i'm sort of coming down myself from last night, it was a great celebration. can you describe for us what it is like being an england goalkeeperfacing your opponents in a penalty shoot—out at a crucial part of the world cup tournament? yeah, well, like anything you need a little bit of luck. a lot of keepers just try and guess the right way and sometimes it goes down the middle

and they look a little bit silly. but obviously, jordan guessed the right way but he managed to get the strong hand to it, which he is capable of doing. he is capable of making match—winning saves, he has done it all season for everton and he makes some fantastic saves. and i think that's his forte, really. he is england's number one and he is the hero this morning. obviously, it wasn't a great performance by england, we did ok. but as a team i thought we played really well as a team. we battled hard. we didn't create a lot of chances, their goalkeeper did do not not make too many saves but we got through and thatis many saves but we got through and that is the main thing at this stage. billy, you were in the stadium, were you able to watch those penalties? i did, actually. is that a miniature world cup souvenir? that's the one. this is the lucky cup. we had that last night, we were waving it around. we had the full monty. i have actually seen every

single one of england's penalty shoot—outs live. i was there in 1990 with gazza, with lineker and that i was there as well, was at 98, argentina? and 2004, in portugal... 96? 96, of course, iwas there argentina? and 2004, in portugal... 96? 96, of course, i was there as well. and then ukraine iv! hn’ when g 7}? iii? i when we = g 7}? iii? i when we lost g 753? 5553 5 when we lost to italy. well in 2012 when we lost to italy. i was there for every single one except for spain in 96, which we we re except for spain in 96, which we were there but we lost to germany. so, this one, 1—0 and i thought yes, we're going to go through. and then they equalised and everyone was thinking, they have picked it up now, columbia, we are in trouble. when it came to penalties i have to admitl when it came to penalties i have to admit i was really nervous, especially when we missed that one. i thought it was all over. but it turned around and like i said if you check out my twitter, 99, i have got a video on their the fans and the video is when the final penalty was scored. and the tension in all our

faces and the stadium absolutely erupts, it is absolute mayhem. that's two plugs now, billy, nice one! katie, how are you, can you hear me? yes, i can thank you. were you able to watch the penalties? no, we didn't at all. i started pacing and finding things to clean during the extra time. but when it came to the extra time. but when it came to the penalties, my husband, they could not watch it, either. so we all went into the other room knowing that we could not leave the house because we had a sleeping baby in the house. but my eldest son stayed and watched it in the living room. we figured that we would actually hear him through the process of the penalties, which we couldn't cope with. so we switched the electricity off. did you?! so he could not watch it, either? well, we did hear a shriek from the other room because

just as the first penalty was about to be taken... but he did agree with us in the end it was the right thing to do! so you switched off the lights and the telly and everything? yeah. but then of course we started getting messages through to his phone from friends so we then decided to switch tablets and iphones on... that is really not being able to cope. i love you saying you started pacing and doing some cleaning, that's the kind of thing i would do! let'sjust have some cleaning, that's the kind of thing i would do! let's just have a word about sweden withjohanna franden, who is a sports journalist. how are you? quite a lot of people will have watched or listened to sweden against switzerland and have their own views, how good are they at the moment? the core of the swedish players, well, the rest is not that good at the moment, lots of

opportunities to score, really couldn't do it. it all comes down to the collective and the defence, and thatis the collective and the defence, and that is what we cherish today, we are ina that is what we cherish today, we are in a state of euphoria, as you, because it was beyond our beliefs, and yeah, next up england. do think the swedish defence can stop people like harry kane scoring goals? at the moment, there is no limits to how much trust i put in the swedish defence, it is clearly going to be by far the biggest challenge of the tournament so far. sweden lost to germany with a very late goal, but they got back from that. i think england is by far the toughest opponent, you know, up until now, but i think that we are ready, anyway, a dream come true for many people, because the premier league is obviously a fetish for swedish

football fa ns is obviously a fetish for swedish football fans since forever, people watch it every single week. also, the players in the team, they're quite anxious to play this game, i think. peter, what to think about the prospect of sweden this saturday? i am really looking forward to it. i think we have got to play better than we did, you know, against colombia. certainly, it is going to be a very tough match, but i think we have got a side capable of beating them, it will be tight, as the lady said, their defence is pretty good, but we scored some good goals against, you know, against panama, and i think we are capable of scoring against them. so really looking forward to it, i think we are capable of getting into the semifinals, capable of beating either russia or croatia, so the final is looming. but we have got to play better than we did last night.

i'm going to introduce you to martin, who is in glasgow, he says he is scottish. i am! martin, who is in glasgow, he says he is scottish. lam! hi, martin, who is in glasgow, he says he is scottish. i am! hi, how are you? you do sound scottish. i am, 100%! but you are supporting england? well, look, i am confused now, this has never happened before in many, many decades! i am not entirely sure i have processed this information. it has been so unlike any other tournament, that england have played in. gareth southgate, in particular, has done a phenomenal job of managing expectations, not trying to oversell it, and i think they seem to be a really grounded bunch of players, for the first time in my life, and it has left me deeply perturbed! meaning what? i think football is about rivalry at heart, and it is quite good fun to

laugh and joke with your rivals, and to support anyone but england, and it is always done in a slightly jocular way, but i think last night, watching colombia, it was quite hard to support them, i have to say. you slowly found yourself warming to england. 0h, slowly found yourself warming to england. oh, my gosh, you are saying this on national television, do you realise your fellow countrymen and women will be absolutely horrified?! iam women will be absolutely horrified?! i am absolutely horrified, as i said! i will have to have a word with myself after this. but they we re with myself after this. but they were genuinely really good, and i think it isjust were genuinely really good, and i think it is just really refreshing to see, i guess, our biggest football rivals go to a tournament, and see the fans enjoying it, although not to be any trouble or hassle, and for the players to into it in hassle, and for the players to into itina hassle, and for the players to into it in a relatively sensible, low—key way, and i think they have played well. some good young players on

that team, and there seems to be a real shift in the atmosphere, behaviour, the type of play within the team, and a large part of that is down to manager, the right guy at the right time. no arrogance around the right time. no arrogance around the team at the moment, which does make a difference. well, amazing, thanks for confessing on national television, martin, really good to talk to you, cheers! i know you are back and forth to the games, what are you doing, coming back was staying? i did hint that i would be coming home if i came out again, but i think coming home if i came out again, but ithinki coming home if i came out again, but i think i am out for the duration. what does the mrs think about that? i will make a phone call later to talk about that! —— missus. i will make a phone call later to talk about that! -- missus. peter shilton, thank you very much for coming on. they've now got food, medical supplies and hope,

but the 12 boys trapped with their football coach in a flooded cave in thailand might have to stay there for months. we were talking about the weather forecast, the potentialflooding, but there is no more rain today, we will bring you the latest in a moment. in scotland, police on the isle of bute have confirmed that they're now treating the death of schoolgirl alesha mcphail as murder. the six—year—old's body was found in woodland on monday, by a member of the public. the bbc‘s james shaw is there. james, what are the police saying? it was a news conference late last night, when the detective in charge of this investigation, superintendent stuart houston, revealed that they believed that ales ha revealed that they believed that alesha mcphail on the basis of a

postmortem yesterday, he wasn't prepared to give details of what made them think that she was murdered, but you made it clear that the status of the investigation had changed. earlier, they were saying the death was unexplained, but now they are very clear that they believed she was murdered. and how is the community reacting, how is it coping? i think it is a really difficult time for people on this island. it is very quiet here, a population of about 6500 people. frankly, nothing really happens on bute, a holiday island, people from glasgow come for the summer holidays, a lot of people here already, and people cannot understand that something so tragic, so appalling as the murder of a six—year—old girl can happen in a place like this. so i think people are place like this. so i think people a re really place like this. so i think people are really struggling to understand it, a lot of sadness and a lot of upset, not least, of course, for

alesha's family, her mum, dad and grandmother, who lives in this area where i am at the moment. it is a real struggle for people on the island to cope with. thank you very much, james, thank you for talking to us. the 12 boys and their football coach trapped deep in a flooded cave system in thailand have said they are doing well. rescuers have released a new video. in the footage, the boys introduce themselves and say they're in good health. wrapped in emergency blankets, you can see them joking with the divers who are staying with them until they can be brought out safely. i spoke to our correspondent howard johnson, who is in chiang rai, and asked him what we can glean from this new footage of the boys. they are down with the boys full time now, for the duration of this search and rescue operation. what we heard was one of the thai medics saying to the boys, as he was administering iodine on the cuts

saying, don't worry, when you are above ground, you will get treatment from a pretty nurse, and all the boysin from a pretty nurse, and all the boys in the room laughed at that. there has been laughter, smiles, but when the camera pans around, a couple of boys in the bag looked quite emaciated and weak. one of them raised his arms to give a vicki --v them raised his arms to give a vicki —— vsign, them raised his arms to give a vicki —— v sign, but they have been through an awful ordeal, so we don't know what their mental state is like it. nothing has come out from the teams down there about how they are coping mentally, but we should hear about that in the days are as we establish more and better communications with them. and the ordeal continues, of course — is anything going to happen today in terms of trying to move the boys? absolutely not. we have heard from the governor today that they are not going to be moving the boys, as he said yesterday, they need to be 100% certain that everything is safe and

that the boys are fully prepared to be able to move out of this cavernous, flooded labyrinth of chambers and bottlenecks. we are hearing today that the thai navy seals are trying to drill a section, a tricky section where they say it is difficult for two people to pass through at one time. so if they are going to attempt a scuba dive mission to get the boys out, they will need to make it easier through this bottleneck. you can imagine, if a boy is diving for the first time with no experience and has to go through a tight gap by himself, that will be a very daunting prospect. yesterday, you and i were talking about the heavy rains that were potentially due today. is that still forecast? well, good news, a bbc forecast? well, good news, a bbc forecast over the last 24 hours said that these sunny conditions that we can see at the moment are expected

to last until the end of the week. they say that the rains that were forecast to come today are actually now going to come later on, next week, so that gives the search and rescue teams a window of opportunity to keep pumping the water out behind me. there are four outlets with water gushing down the road, pumping out around 10,000 litres per hour. they are hoping that by doing that, there is the chance of actually draining this complex, but of course there are watersheds, water pouring in from all sorts of different directions, and they are working to divert streams from flowing into the area. the next few days will see that carry on, and maybe if the levels do come down, they may be able to aid the operation down there by making some of the sections easier to dive through, or at least potentially swim through. so bearing in mind that forecast, has anyone suggested the possibility that the boys could be out before the rains come next week? no talk of that yet.

you have to remember, imagine your first scuba diving session, that ta kes first scuba diving session, that takes an adult three days to learn how to use that equipment. there was an appeal yesterday for full face masks to help the children. once they have those masks, if that is they have those masks, if that is the approach they are going to go with, they will have to teach them how to use them, how to be co mforta ble how to use them, how to be comfortable under water. the first timei comfortable under water. the first time i put my head under water to learn to scuba dive, it is very claustrophobic, some people cannot manage it, they cough up water, they get afraid. so what we will probably sees teams working down in the water around them to try to teach them how to use the kit before they attempt anything like that. how would johnson reporting. —— howard. thanks for all the messages from welsh people supporting england, i will read them before the end of the programme. the former football coach george ormond will be sentenced today for abusing boys as young as eleven over a period of 25 years.

at his trial in newcastle 19 men gave evidence against the coach. one victim said ormond warned him to keep quiet, telling him, "i've got your dreams in my hand — if you say anything, i will crush them." ormond had already been jailed in 2002 for similar offences on other young players. one of his victims in that first trial, former newcastle united player derek bell, waived his right to anonymity to speak out on this programme two years ago prompting more abuse victims to come forward. jim reed has been following his remarkable story. another football coach who preyed on young boys and their dreams. what he's done over the past, 20, 30 years has been horrific. george ormond has been found guilty of offences against 18 boys — from the 19705 to the 1990s. the abuse took place at a local boys' club, at a school, and at newcastle football club. these young men had ambition,

they had dreams, and george ormond was able to have those dreams and his hands. three goals in five minutes start newcastle... the north east has always been more than passionate about its football. in the ‘80s, the newcastle side was full of household names — keegan, beardsley and waddle. this is where it all started. it is a bit daunting looking at it, really, knowing what went on in there. not far from newcastle's stadium, st james' park, is a well—known boys' club. you've got the gym up here. the office down there. just going through my mind now, i know exactly where the treatment room is. derek bell was a promising midfielder for newcastle in the 1980s. from the age of 12 to 16, though, he played here. george sort of dipped in and out of every age group.

he used to be a physio for the whole club, looking after 200, 300 boys. i think it is at that time we started to question, "what is his role?" was there a point that you started to hear rumours about his behaviour? i think nearly from day one. it is now thought george ormond was abusing dozens of boys at this club. he was a young man at the time, in his mid—20s. he started to befriend my family. he used to say, "i will take derek home," even though i only lived 400 yards from the club. he used to take us to car parks around the west end, perform sexual acts, ask me to perform sexual acts. what were you thinking as a 12—year—old when someone was trying to do this? with all the victims who have come forward, that is the question people ask — "why didn't you say something? why didn't you shout out?" you put yourself in that position. you are scared. you are frightened that you will be

undermined by your fellow players. would you be believed? derek bell left the team without telling anyone about the abuse. he was later signed by newcastle. he played for the first team before injury cut short his career as a professional footballer. years later, he started working for the local council, helping to rehouse asylum seekers. one night, i remember it vividly, it was a long driveway with trees and all sorts of bushes to get to where the hostel was. i seen this guy with a hood behind a tree. i went up and, to my astonishment, there was ormond. these people were coming from all over the country, iran, iraq, african countries, young vulnerable 14—year—olds by themselves. why was he there? there was only one

reason why he was there. an angry bell soon found out his abuser was still involved in football. by that point, george ormond was a part—time youth coach for newcastle united. bell warned people at the club, who told this man, former managerjohn carver, but he did not act straightaway. george ormond was still part of the club's youth trip to ireland that summer. the coach finally left the next year, after carver said he used a change in fa rules to get rid of him. around this time, derek bell said he had a serious alcohol problem. he tried to kill himself three times and was sectioned for his own safety. what he did next he describes as foolish. i couldn't get it out of my mind. i was insane. i was burning. i had never spoken about it all these years. i was an angry man.

i went to his home and kicked his door in. if he was in... fortunately for him, he was not in. i probably would have killed him. at this point, bell told his close friends about the abuse for the first time. between them, they put together a plan. one morning, i went down to his house. i knew where he lived. i had a tape recorder in my pocket. my heart was going really fast. i asked him some pertinent questions. why did he feel the need to abuse me? why did he do it? just give us an explanation. he just couldn't. he did say yes — he did admit to doing it. bell played the tape to his friends, who convinced him to take it to the police. in 2002, 16 years ago, george ormond went on trial for the first time. he was convicted and sent to prison for abusing bell and six other men, all young boys at the time of the crime. i broke down crying.

it was very exhausting. will i get a verdict, will the jury believe us, will the judge believe us? all them sort of questions go through your head. when the verdict was read out, he showed no emotion. it was as though it didn't happen. good morning to you... bell was always convinced there were more victims out there. in november 2016, another footballer, andy woodward, came forward on this programme. he said he was abused by a different coach. i can't put it into words what that has done to me. the wider abuse scandal in football was in the headlines day by day. derek bell, who was anonymous in that first trial, decided it was right to speak out for the first time. if i get one person to come forward, please pick up the phone. don't be ashamed. let me take you back to the decision to come forward publicly in 2016.

was that a difficult decision to make? no, it wasn't, in all honesty. becuse i wanted to support ex—players. i closely followed, for a few days, the media, the press, the victoria derbyshire show every day. i was watching that, and it gave me the strength to come forward as well. around the time of derek bell's tv appearance, other players did start calling the police. george ormond was charged with another 38 counts of abuse against 19 young players. at trial, the court heard how he targeted young newcastle trainees in what was a hotel on this site. he abused other boys on school trips, in changing rooms, in his van on the way to matches. he told one victim, "i've got your dreams in my hand." "if you say anything, i will crush them."

he used that position of trust to abuse young men. these young men had ambition, they had dreams of going on to glittering football careers, and he relied on the fact that these victims would not be believed if they came forward. ormond did not take the stand and give evidence in his own defence. he was convicted of 36 counts and now faces another lengthy prison sentence. that was the most shocking thing that i've sort of experienced, that this guy was allowed to roam for 25 years. in some ways, i feel responsible for that. responsible for that? yeah, because i didn't come forward. if i had've come forward, i could have stopped it earlier. i could have stopped it happening to the last victim in 1998. the other way of looking at it is, if you had not come forward, he might never have got caught. yeah — again, you don't know. i did come forward and, at the end of the day, the rest is history.

this case will now form part of the fa's own inquiry into sexual abuse in the sport. later today, george ormond will be sentenced to his second prison term, decades after the crimes he committed first took place. you will hear news that sentencing first here on bbc news. the bbc has been told that the official group which campaigned for brexit in the eu referendum two years ago is expected to be found guilty of four charges of breaking electoral law. ? more now from our political guru norman smith, who's inside the house of commons. well, vic, this centres on the main brexit campaign fronted by the likes of borisjohnson brexit campaign fronted by the likes of boris johnson and brexit campaign fronted by the likes of borisjohnson and michael gove, called vote leave, and the electoral commission, in a interim report,

have found that it breached the rules on electoral campaigning in four areas, three of them we can put to one side, they are sort of more technical, bureaucratic, administrative breaches, not putting in the appropriate invoices and receipts and that sort of thing. they really crunchy one which concerns us is the suggestion that vote leave deliberately tried to get around the rules on the amount of money you can spend during a referendum campaign by, in effect, using a shell organisation to accept money when they had spent as much as they were allowed. so, in detail, what happened was the last few days of the campaign, they were offered around about £600,000, but they couldn't accept it because they had already spent nearly 7 million, which was the limits to what you could spend. so they suggested to this donor, why don't you give the money to this organisation which was

another brexit organisation, run by one man and a dog, a tiny organisation, and the suggestion is that it was a front for vote leave to get around the spending rules by putting the money into beleave, which they, in effect, ran. now, thatis which they, in effect, ran. now, that is a charge absolutely rejected by vote leave, who insisted this was an entirely separate organisation. have a listen to their chief executive, matthew elliott. they haven't followed due process, they've listened to one side of the story, so these so—called whistle—blowers story, so these so—called whistle— blowers who came story, so these so—called whistle—blowers who came out in march, you know, they have been to the electoral commission for interviews, we have offered to go for interviews at a board and a staff level, but they have not accepted interviews from our side. they are also not accepted that we have had outside experts to look at oure—mails, have had outside experts to look at our e—mails, several teams of

lawyers to piece together what happened two years ago during the referendum, and actually, when we look at all the evidence, all the facts, they stack up on our side. now, i suppose the big question people will be wondering, did this change the outcome of the brexit referendum? i have to say probably not, because when you look at the amount of money both the campaigns had, well, the amount all the remain organisations had was almost twice that of the brexit side, so in the real world it probably didn't make any difference to the referendum campaign, and the view of those in vote leave is that this is just an attempt by disgruntled former vote leave staff to discredit their campaign asa leave staff to discredit their campaign as a sort of last—gasp throe by unreconciled remainers. we spoke to scottish mutton earlier,

who outed himself as effectively and england supporter. —— martin. that prompted messages from welsh viewers, who were also supporting england. dave jones, viewers, who were also supporting england. davejones, hello. good morning, we haven't got long, but you are supporting england? always have done, always will do. go on. i have done, always will do. go on. i have supported them since i was six yea rs have supported them since i was six years old, when they won it the last time, and my anxiety went through the roof when that columbia goal went in, i couldn't watch. but you are talking about england when it comes to the football, not any other sport? well, no, i only support england at rugby when they are playing australia! that is fair enough. i cried my eyes out when they lost in 1970 in mexico, my anxietyjust goes they lost in 1970 in mexico, my anxiety just goes through

they lost in 1970 in mexico, my anxietyjust goes through the roof when i watch england play, and last night i wanted tojump behind the sofa and turn the sound off, i couldn't watch it. what you have been showing this morning, what is showing now, that last penalty, i flicked the tv back over as it went m, flicked the tv back over as it went in, and the way i screamed, i must have woke the dead. i get a bit of stick over here for at the rugby, they find it rather strange that a welshman support england. thank you so much for coming under programme, nice to talk to you. thank you, dave jones. leighton says, i support wales first in all sports, but we are the uk, and i support any uk tea m are the uk, and i support any uk team that is in a position to win from us. it was good to hear from the scottish man that he support england as part of the uk. peter says, do you want us to support england or not? manufactured

opposition constantly challenging people with who are you supporting if your team is not in it, itjust gets people's backs up and results ina gets people's backs up and results in a version and opposition. graham says there are many scots who are right behind england, last night i was rocking when england won, who ca res how easy was rocking when england won, who cares how easy the opponents are? just enjoyed, my friends are, and the vast majority of my colleagues think the same, we all have english friends and we want england to win for them. the media is bonkers, we disregard their comments in scotland. come on, england. caroline says, i love the enthusiasm of the show, let's be deleted together. sheila says, i have had to tell off, too much football. good thing to the show, back tomorrow at nine! —— good thing it is the end of the show, back tomorrow at nine! this is bbc news, i amjoanna

gosling, after the team's first ever victory in a penalty shootout, the focus now is on saturday's quarter final against sweden. lots of sunshine across the uk. the temperatures will be pretty good as well. this is bbc news. these are the top stories developing at 11.00am. "a special night for every englishman". manager gareth southgate says the england team won't be bowed by the pressures of the past after the team's first ever victory in a penalty shootout,

the focus now is on saturday's quarter final against sweden. we are but england's base. they are backin we are but england's base. they are back in training and the focus switches to sweden. a major incident is declared in amesbury. two people are critically ill after being exposed to an unknown substance. police are searching the home of a nurse who's being held