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made off is that question. she has made off the back of the kardashian show. she comes from a wealthy family. she comes from a wealthy family. she comes from a wealthy family. her father was originally an athlete, she is now katelynjenner. she is from a wealthy family. she has got to show up as a background but she had used it very cleverly. she has done something for it. can you call that self—made when you have a platform that is reaching hundreds of billions of people? not really. but she has used it in a business sense to actually achieve something. kim is only worth 153 million, so the fact that her little sister is worth nearly three times more does show a lot of savvy. self—made might bea show a lot of savvy. self—made might be a little bit abstract but you have to give her some kudos.” be a little bit abstract but you have to give her some kudos. i like your use of the word only with kim kardashian. think you very much. a children's store has abandoned a cheap teddy offer today
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for safety reasons, after shoppers queued for hours in chaotic scenes. the build—a—bear workshop was offering uk customers a chance to buy any bear, which can cost up to 52 pounds for the price of their child's age. the company said the response was overwhelming and unprecedented. now it's time for the final edition of meet the author. jim naughtie talks to author tommy orange about his new book there there, a journey into native american life. tommy orange has written an unusual american novel. unusual because, for most of his readers, it will be their firstjourney into native american life, to the sound of a dozen voices of the characters who are bound for the big powwow and who each tell their own story about how their way of life has become urbanized, about the anger that's always simmering underneath, because many of them have become outcasts in their own country. about the tragicomic scene at the powwow itself, when they put on the feather
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headdresses and do traditional dances. the novel, there there, is a funny and sad picture of contemporary american life from a startling and original point of view. welcome. did you think consciously when the book was taking shape, that you were talking many of your readers about something of which they would know very little? i actually wrote more for other native people. i was in a native writing community, the school that i teach at is the institute of american indian arts in santa fe, new mexico. and even though some of the information, some of the native audience knows, i wanted to write in a compelling way that would be interesting even to people who already knew
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the information, so i really tried to hone specifically the prologue and the interlude, so even if that audience already knew the information, i wanted to be compelling and to feel new. well, you mentioned the prologue and i think those who are not familiar with the story of the native americans experience or at least familiar with it only in the broadest terms, outside the united states, for example, will find it very raw and fierce. i mean, it is a terribly sad story. yeah, i mean, it was surprising to me because i did research myself. you don'tjust come into being native with knowledge and the schools definitely don't teach, if anything they teach a candy coated version managed to make it seem more like a hero to adventure across an empty frontier. so, in the research i was doing, i wasn't surprised to find a lot
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of facts that were very easy to look up, if you care. and so, i also, you know, i wanted to make all the information, notjust preachy, this was a sad and bad and you all should feel bad. i wanted to make it something that was readable. well, it's a novel. it's a story about a dozen people who are heading for this great powwow. now, how would you describe the great powwow itself? how would you, to an outsider, what would you say it meant? so, i chose the powwow as the setting for the ending because, so, the urban indian experience is what i talk about. this is native people that were born and raised in the city, so a powwow and an urban indian have a lot of parallels. urban indian people tend to be intertribal, because you have a lot of people coming from reservations in the 50s and 60s on relocation and a lot of different tribes coming together into one place, so you had intermarriage and people that ended up two or three tribes, so powwows are a whole bunch of tribes coming together, all celebrating sort of one culture in a sense.
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there is a sort of pan indianism there, that certain tribes, they liked to keep their particular tribal essence intact and are sort of against pan indianism. but there's something beautiful about everybody coming together and celebrating a culture of native american people and what all our sameness is instead of our differences. to people of your generation, how important do you think the preservation of the culture and some of the traditions is? it varies. there is a lot of young people, their lives are very similar to any other person in america or anywhere else. and they say that is gone, it's passed. they might not even have a position on it, they are just into their phones, liking or not liking school and it does not necessarily occur to everybody to think about responsibility and connection to cultural heritage. sometimes it's a privilege to even have the time to notjust be surviving and to be,
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sometimes the day—to—day grind does not allow for it. the stories in the book and we hear voices telling the story, their approach to the powwow, are very funny in many places but they are also poignant and sad because what you're talking about here is the destructive effect, really, of contemporary life on individuals and families, are you? yeah, and i wanted to, i wanted to make it real, this effect, this echo, from centuries of at first massacre and genocide, and then genocidal policies and how affect those people living today, because sometimes you get the sense that people are well like that happened long ago, forget about it, get over it, and living in the community and knowing a lot of people in the community, there are ways that those things play out in individual lives today. one of the themes that plays out in the book is of course the extent of which putting on the feather headdresses and doing traditional dances is a proper honouring
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of tradition and respectful, or the extent of which it's become something for tourists, to make money, and that is one of the tensions that you are really exploring. it's at the heart of the book and it's funny but it's sad. and something about powwows that i've noticed, if you don't know powwow culture, some people think it's a show to be put on for outside but it's actually, when you go to a powwow, it mostly native people and it's actually a dance competition to win money, so people tore the whole country, call it the powwow trail, they try to win dances and they will win the drum competitions and singing competitions, you sell your food and you sell your jewellery. like rodeo or something.
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it's that kind of thing. it's very much an internal celebration as opposed to a show, putting on a show for outsiders. would you describe it as an angry book? yeah. i think there's a palpable anger and a lot of people who have been oppressed for many years continue to be, and for native people specifically, because we are a small percentage of people in the united states and that is for a very specific reason. and so it is hard to find voice and it is hard to hear your own voice, see your own image, and so when you suppress something like that, and you don't feel like the story has been told properly, you get mad. correctly, you get mad. when you're writing the book, and i would be interested to know how the scheme of it took shape, did you intend it to be polemical and angry? i sense in the book that you don't want to sound as if you are preaching. on the other hand, you cannot help saying this matters. i neither intended it to be angry nor funny and have been surprised when people react in those ways. i just wrote it as true as i could and tried to pay
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attention to the craft level and sentence level as best as i could write sentences. you were trying to get in the heads of the characters whose voices you are telling the story through. correct. so i was not surprised to hear that it was angry sounding. i have that in me and i know it is in my community. i was a little more surprised by it being funny for people. but i think it's good to mix sadness and humour. i think that's a really important mix. well, and they are pretty close together, sometimes, aren't they? yeah, they are. if the world is mad, all you can do is laugh at it. yeah. native people have a long history of making tragedy into comedy. there were relatively few writers from the native american community who are known by outsiders. there are some, but few in number. do you think there could be more? i would hope that the success of my book would lead to publishers being more open to publishing other native authors.
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that would be the most amazing thing to happen from my book because, the problem has been that we have had one image, one monolithic image and so i am certainly not trying to just bring in another monolith and say this is the voice. i think we need a dynamic range of voices and that is part of why i chose 12 characters. when you had finished the book, and you had said what you wanted to say in there there, what had it achieved for you? forget about the reader. for you in writing this down and telling the story. i think, and i touch on this in the book throughout, i think there is something powerful and almost mysteriously powerful in telling the story itself and what the telling of the story can do and i would like to keep its mystery. i don't want to explore it too much. i know what it did for me.
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it was a powerful experience to get involved with the novel and finish it and it was tough, and i am proud of it. i don't know exactly what it's done or what it's doing in the world but i am happy for what what is happening. tommy orange, author of there there. thank you very much. thank you. and since this is the last meet the author for the time being, thank you to all of you, too. goodbye. a very good evening to you. temperatures reached 27 celsius but over the next few days, the temperature will be pushed even higher. on friday, again, 27 seems to be about right, but as he go to the weekend, hotter weatherjust around the corner. 29 degrees by saturday, sunday sees the temperature push into the low 30s. 31 degrees expected top temperature. probably towards the southeast england. much of the day has been
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fine and dry crossing them in wales we have had these showers down the spine of wells, some of which have been happy. weather watchers ca ptu red been happy. weather watchers captured one of these downpours as it worked in across paris. the rain was pretty heavy here earlier on. the showers will continue to slowly fade away over the next few hours across wales and then it becomes largely dry. there'll be some breaks in the cloud, it stays quite clearly further north and for northern ireland. europe has 11—15d for most, it will stay a little bit on the warm side. for friday, quite a cloudy start to the date for scotla nd cloudy start to the date for scotland and northern ireland. sunshine across england and wales, but through the afternoon we will see some showers again form. these are likely to be even heavier, and will develop down the western side of england across the spine of wales again at this time across parts of the midlands. the thing with the showers, they could bring us 20—30
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millimetres of rain, or half a months worth of rain. in the space of just months worth of rain. in the space ofjust an months worth of rain. in the space of just an hour. months worth of rain. in the space ofjust an hour. the ground is hard baked dry and that could cause local flooding. for the weekend, baked dry and that could cause local flooding. forthe weekend, pressure to the northwest of uk, that will not bother us too much but it will bring a little bit of rain to the far northwest of the uk. pressure will be rising across england and wales and lessen the way of cloud and more in the way of sunshine and lighter winds, all of those ingredients will boost the temperatures. we're looking at highs of 29 celsius, and it will be getting a bit warmer as well for scotla nd getting a bit warmer as well for scotland and northern ireland and across northern england as well. the second half of the weekend, is a prospect of a little bit of rain across the farm is west of the country. otherwise, some writers. the sunshine for england and wales in it will be another glorious day but it will be hot. for those who do not like he, 31 celsius on the thermometer, next week it looks like there will be a fundamental change,
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more unsettled with the prospect of that more of us will seek breaks of rainfor that more of us will seek breaks of rain for those parched gardens. hello, i'm kasia madera, this is outside source from the bbc‘s newsroom in london. the uk is playing host to president trump. the prime minister has welcomed him, along with the first lady to bleinheim palace in oxfordshire, where they're currently sat down to dinner with 150 invited guests. protesters however gathered outside as he arrived. controversy has long surrounded this visit, and it's expected thousands will march against it over the next few days the uk parliament finally publishes its blueprint on brexit, amid chaotic scenes in parliament and we'll be covering the extraordinary rise of kyliejenner, from the kardashian clan, who's on track to become the world's youngest—ever self—made billionaire.
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