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hello, it's tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. no watering your garden, no filling the paddling pool and no washing your car using a hosepipe. seven million of you in the north west of england are going to be affected by this hosepipe ban. we are planning ahead now. we are looking to see what the weather forecast is going to be like for the next few weeks. we think we are going to see prolonged periods of dry weather, so we are taking action so dry weather, so we are taking action so that we can protect essential water supplies for everybody. tell us what you think about the impending ban. a crisis for those wanting help from rape crisis — fern champion was raped two years ago and tried to get counselling from several rape crisis centres, but the waiting lists were closed. she's waived her right to anonymity to speak out. there is already so much shame around sexual assault and sexual violence. so when you do all the things they tell you you need to do,
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you report it to the police and seek help, to then be turned away so many times and to be denied justice, denied support, it takes its toll. we'll hear more from fern champion at 9.15. and lessons in knife crime — that's what secondary school pupils in england are getting this week to try to stop them carrying a knife during the summer holidays. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. lancashire, merseyside, cheshire, greater manchester and parts of cumbria — if you live there — tell us what you think about the hosepipe ban. we want to talk to you on the programme in the next hour — so send us an email with your details on and what you think and we'll get back to you. they'll fine you if you break the ban — would you report your neighbour? and it's our top story
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today...almost seven million of you in north west england will be affected by a hosepipe ban early next month. united utilities says the restrictions are due to weeks of dry weather, which has caused reservoir levels to fall. jayne mccubbin reports. for most, the weather is a joy, but many reservoirs are under pressure. this is howden in derbyshire. water levels at haweswater in the lake district are so low that the long—ago flooded village of meldon is once again visible. in response to these pressures, many have already been doing their bit. what are we doing to save water? well, we are not watering plants, that's for sure. we shower together now! we just water the plants in the evenings using the waste water out of the bathroom. i got an e—mailfrom united utilities saying to stop having baths and stuff and i thought i would do my bit by not pampering myself on a sunday.
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now united utilities is going further. they will bring in a hosepipe ban that will affect around seven million customers in the north—west, and it comes into place on august 5th, all because we are enjoying the longest heatwave since 1976. back then, so bad, tarmac melted on the roads. water was rationed. and the government created a ministerfor drought, here in the crisis centre, manning the phones, taking complaints. there's a sprinkler system operating where? at a riding school? i see. and you feel something should be done about that? of course. and hundreds of complaints about water—wasteful neighbours have been made in northern ireland, too, where a ban is already in place. well, jayne is in bolton for us and sent us this to show why the ban is being brought in.
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this is a problem that you can see behind me. we're at wayoh reservoir in bolton, and where's the water gone? there is a bridge down there, and a building that ordinarily would be completely submerged. well, the answer to where the water has gone over on the other side of the bridge — spin around and have a look. water levels in this part of the country are too low for this time of year. on average, about 14% lower than they should be. united utilities say they haven't made this decision lightly, but there isn't enough water supply out there. there are peaks in demand theyjust can't cope with, and temperatures are set to be quite high all the way through to the end ofjuly, so they're going to have to bring this hosepipe temporary usage ban into place in august. august 5th is the key date. from that day you won't be able to use hosepipes, you won't be able to use your sprinklers — that's domestic customers. you will, though, be able to use watering cans, and you will be able to use buckets, but if you float those rules, beware — you could face a £1,000 fine.
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most people we've spoken to already say they're fine with this. however, there are some who are very dissatisfied. united utilities is a very profitable company, yet it has some of the worst water leaks of any water companies in england and wales. at times, they've lost up to 25% of water through lea ks. that is a picture that they are making improvements on. most people we've spoken to, as i said, welcome the ban, but for some, this will be a ban that sticks in the throat. so if you're in the area, parts of lancashire, cumbria, greater manchester, merseyside, tell us how you react to the impending hosepipe ban. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. mps will debate another important piece of brexit legislation this afternoon, after theresa may narrowly avoided a commons defeat last night.
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conservative divisions were exposed when the prime minister was accused of "caving in" to eurosceptic tory mps, only then to face a rebellion from those in favour of a soft brexit. cabinet ministers insist the government's plans are still on track. brexit campaign group vote leave has been fined £61,000 and referred to the police after an electoral commission probe said it broke electoral law. the investigation found significant evidence ofjoint working between the group and another organisation — beleave — leading to it exceeding its spending limit by almost £500,000. vote leave have denied any wrongdoing. donald trump is planning to meet members of congress amid a backlash over comments made during his summit with russian president vladimir putin. mr trump contradicted us intelligence agencies by saying that russia did not tamper in the 2016 presidential election campaign. our correspondent david willis has more..
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president trump's refusal to condemn russia's attempts to sway the outcome of the 2016 election and his characterisation of vladimir putin as both strong and powerful have incensed many here. among them, the former cia director, john brennan, who branded the move nothing short of treasonous on twitter, and accused president trump of being in president putin's pocket, whilst the republican senatorjohn mccain called it one of the most disgraceful performances by an american president in memory. president trump's reluctance to criticise russia has prompted speculation that the kremlin may have something on him, incriminating information obtained during a trip to moscow, perhaps. i guess he said it as strongly as you can say it. "they have no information on trump." it was an interesting statement, too. you know, many years ago when i was there, what was it, 13, 1a, a long time ago, he said there were many business people there.
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i was a very successful businessman. but i was one of a lot of people. one thing you know. if they had it, it would have been out. invited by an american tv reporter to inspect a copy of the indictments involving 12 russian military officers accused of hacking the computers of the hillary clinton campaign, the russian president demured. translation: first of all, russia as a state has never interfered with the internal affairs of the united states, let alone its elections. president trump is to meet with members of congress and there are those ready to challenge him with failing to stand up against an old adversary on behalf of the country that he was elected to protect. a transgender woman who worked as a van driver in the "gig" economy is bringing a discrimination claim against the delivery company she worked for. while previous cases against companies such uber as have been about rights to things like holiday pay and pension,
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this case is thought to be the first case testing discrimination and lgbt rights in the gig economy. 23 people have been injured in hawaii after a boat they were in was hit by lava from the erupting mount kilauea volcano. molten rock running into the ocean exploded, and threw chunks of lava onto the vessel and through the roof. you can see what happens when the lava reaches the sea here. 0ne passenger suffered a broken leg, while others had burns. the group had been taking part in what's been described as a "lava tour" to view the continuing eruption. the all party parliamentary group for sexual violence will hear evidence later today about how rape crisis services are seeing more victims and survivors than ever before this programme has spoken to a victim who was raped on her gap year, and on returning to the uk had to wait months for support. concerns over the safety of some children s slime products have been raised after several were found to contain excessive levels of the harmful element boron. the gooey substance has become
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a social media craze, but eight out of 11 slime products tested by consumer group which failed eu safety standards. the government says it's reviewing the results. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. chris on twitter says i think united utilities have got a nerve with this hosepipe ban when they charge the average family a fortune for water. it's not like they are giving it away, profiting off a natural resource. they are a disgrace to suggest a ban. another viewer says they water their garden secretly at night. what do you think of that? another says they have gone from 80% reservoir levels to a hosepipe ban in three weeks. we also had heavy rain last night stop who has used the most water, where has it gone and how much has been lost in leaks in the last three weeks?
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what do you think? would you break the ban under cover of darkness? and if you heard your next—door neighbour doing that, would you graph them up? —— neighbour doing that, would you graph them up? —— graphs them neighbour doing that, would you ra ht — get in touch. let's get some sport. hugh is at the bbc sport centre.... cristiano ronaldo has a new shirt to wear this season. yes, we are discussing the world's bass player and a move from him that never got the headlines due to the world cup, but after his exemplary, real madrid, cristiano ronaldo has decided to leave the champions league holders and joined juventus. we can speak to our reporter in turin who was at ronaldo's first bus conference yesterday. a huge welcome
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in turin, it's fair to say? yes, very sunny here at the allianz stadium this morning. it was very busy here yesterday. 0ver stadium this morning. it was very busy here yesterday. over 200 journalists from across the world turned up to welcome ronaldo to his new club. there was a sembrant lightning storm with torrential rain and there were fans outside, waiting to get a glimpse of their new star man. they got absolutely soaked. even his mum turned up to hear what he had to say, so it was a warm welcome that has been on the front pages of every italian newspaper this morning, with pictures of ronaldo holding up hisjuventus shirt. he said it was the only club he wanted to come to. yesterday he answered 20 minutes worth of questions in portuguese, italian and even a bit of spanish. but he was asked in english, at the age of 33, what can he still bring to a club like juventus? i will be ready. juve is ready and we will be there. as i
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said before, the age is not important. i feel good. said before, the age is not important. ifeel good. i said before, the age is not important. i feel good. i feel motivated, exciting. so i will try to do my best, like always. and i am looking forward to start the league well and try to win every title. fans of manchester united will remember what a great prospect ronaldo is on the pitch, but he is also a great prospect for the club off it as well? yes, some have questioned juventus paying £100 million for a 33—year—old, but juventus has an obsession with winning the champions league. they haven't been european champions now in 23 years and they think ronaldo, arguably the best player in the world, can do the business on the pitch and bring the title back to juventus. they got close in the last few years, but they have not had the trophy. as well as on the pitch, they think ronaldo can do good business off the pitch. there are examples of that already, because
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the club have already sold over half a million ronaldo shirts, which means depending on how much people are paying for them, they have already recoup somewhere between £35 million and £82 million. ronaldo said yesterday, i am 33, but most players my age go off to play in qatar and china. players my age go off to play in qatarand china. i players my age go off to play in qatar and china. i am still good enough to play in europe. i think juventus can still win titles. i can help them and he thinks he might win a sixth ballon d'0r. you wouldn't bet against it. thanks forjoining us. that is all bespoke for now. —— thatis us. that is all bespoke for now. —— that is all the sport for now. thank you. rape crisis services in the uk are having to turn survivors of sexual violence away. it's true they are providing counselling to more victims than ever before, but some centres are having to close waiting lists as they say inadequate funding means they can t always meet the unprecedented levels of need. the all party parliamentary group for sexual violence will hear evidence later today from fern champion —
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she spent months trying to get counselling after she was raped two years ago. she has waived her right to anonymity to speak to you this morning about the crisis facing counselling services. i've been speaking to her along with rebecca hitchen, a policy officer at rape crisis. it was difficult for fern to speak out, but she chose to because it was so important to her. just to say that the conversation is by its nature distressing in parts. thank you very much for talking to us, first of all, fern. we do appreciate it. you are going to be speaking at the all—party parliamentary group today later as a survivor of sexual violence. i wonder if i could ask you to explain, in your own words, to our audience, what happened to you. so two years ago, nearly two years ago today, i was in kuala lumpur. i was three months into a planned gap year — i'd been travelling around. iwas... i'd been drinking in a hostel
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with some friends i'd made, and we all went out. and then... i meta guy in a barwho... um, who... i'm sorry. it's all right. essentially, i just got very drunk and... i was taken outside for some fresh air. and this guy was there and then he... he took me into his car. at this point, i was heavily intoxicated. i don't really remember the moments leading up to that. i was taken to what i thought was a hotel. i then was...
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i was unconscious on his couch, a couch similar to this. and i woke up and he was assaulting me. i was then taken to the bed, where i was then, like... raped repeatedly throughout the night. this is obviously really, really difficult for you to talk about. yeah. you don't have to say any more if you don't want to. no, it's ok. i want to ask you to explain why you are telling people of this, why you have waived your right to anonymity and why you feel it is important to tell people about this. so why i want to do this is to talk about myjourney ever since then. i have never received any kind of support through a rape crisis
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organisation or women's aid organisation. i have been denied multiple times. i have been on several waiting lists. upon my return to the uk, i couldn't even get onto a rape waiting list. i have approached east london rape crisis, south london rape crisis, and both organisations told me i could not get onto a waiting list. so the waiting list is effectively closed? yeah, and this happened multiple times. so i first approached them in august, when i returned to the uk last year, and was told to try again injanuary. i tried injanuary and it was still closed. i tried in march, they were still closed. and it was at that point that i felt like i myself was in complete crisis. i didn't know what to do or where to turn. i felt so completely helpless. my mental health just felt like it was deteriorating at a rate beyond what i could control. i was having severe problems with my sleep, like, nightmares, flashbacks, strong signs of ptsd. so at that point, i turned
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to my manager at work. i'd already called in sick for one day when i just felt so completely consumed by everything. and ijust turned to her and said, "look, this is why i couldn't come into work today. i don't know what to do". and from then, that was when things started to get better. that was then i was able to access help, because she took control of the situation. she signed me off work for the rest of the week and put me into contact with a private trauma therapist, and arranged for my employer to foot the bill. and that happened instantaneously. but it happened because i had been rejected so many times up to that point and i had no choice but to turn to my employer. and i am here today because i am so fortunate to be in that position where i could do that.
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and if this is what i have been through, i can't imagine what it must be like for those women who are already not in that position where they have an employer to turn to or someone who can offer the help that they offered me. rebecca hitchen, you are from rape crisis. what is going on which means that waiting lists are closed to people like fern and many others? so last year, rape crisis services offered support to almost 80,000 victims and survivors of rape and other forms of sexual violence. but the reality is that due to chronic and historic underfunding in these vital services, we are not able to offer support to all the people that want and deserve that high—level specialist support. and that is because of failures from government level, from local commissioners... there are many different reasons
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why, but in the end it boils down to a lack of resources. money. it boils down to money. there is not enough being given to these services so that they can do the work they need to. rape crisis services are seeing unprecedented demand and they are not able to respond adequately because they are not being invested in. it means they are not able to develop their services like they need to. this is not what the ministry ofjustice tell us. in a statement, they say, "we are committed to supporting victims of crime and we will publish our victim strategy this summer. "we will give £68 million this year to police and crime commissioners to support all victims of crime, and more than £7 million for independent specialist support to victims of sexual violence, including victims of child sexual abuse". and the government do talk about the commitments they have made to supporting survivors, but
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fern is evidence in and of itself that it is not enough and it is not reaching those specialist organisations that victims and survivors want support from. so it's not enough. you said the support that you can offer is vital. what is the support and why is it vital? the support is vital. ithink... is it counselling? yes. it's a variety of services. but the majority of the work is counselling, but we also provide independent support to survivors who do report to the police, and we know that figure over the last five years has gone from 16,000 a year to over 41,000 people reporting to the police. but within that five years, what the government has done has removed the funding for independent sexual violence advocates, who support survivors through the criminal justice system. so we're seeing this huge
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growth and this huge demand, but actually what's happening is that the funding is in no way growing to respond. right, but that's the people who make complaints to the police and go through the criminaljustice system, but actually what fern is talking about, because you went to the police abroad, didn't you? it's not a police issue here. here, it's an issue simply about accessing counselling? yeah. so when the government says, "we've got £7 million for independent specialist supports the victims of sexual supports to victims of sexual violence," that's to organisations like rape crisis, isn't it? yes, but it's nowhere near enough. so i think rape crisis, across our network, we get about £3.5 million from central government. what do you need? vast, vast amounts more. we don't even know how much more we would need because we can't measure demand, because we're having to close waiting lists, which means, as fern has explained, that not everyone who even wants to get on the waiting list, which we can measure and know is over 6,000 people, are able to even get to that stage. and that's just not acceptable.
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ok, so there are 6,000 people on waiting lists currently in england and wales for rape crisis support? yes, more than 6,000 people are waiting for support. how long will they wait before they can see a counsellor? it depends on the different services. so it can range from 8—12 weeks, to more like 20 months. so there is a range across services. as you said, fern, you have been lucky in that your employer helped you and sorted you out a private counsellor. if that hadn't have happened, what effect do you think it might have had on you? i honestly don't know. at that point when i turned to my employer, i was at my lowest. i felt like i had suddenly crashed through rock bottom and i don't know how i could have got to be in this position now if i didn't... and it's not even the fact that
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i was then able to access the actual support straightaway, it was that somebody was helping me, someone was listening and taking control of a situation that i could not control any more. i think that is what people need to understand. when there is already so much shame around sexual assault and sexual violence, so when you do all the things they tell you you need to do, you report it to the police and seek help, to then be turned away so many times, to be denied justice, denied support, it takes its toll and then when you can't see a way out, what are you supposed to do? what can you do? well, what you have chosen to do is waive your right to anonymity and talk on national television about it and speak to politicians about it, and that is in many people's book pretty courageous. thank you.
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what do you hope politicians will do once you have spoken to them, and other people are speaking as well today. i just want them to listen and understand the gravity of the situation, because i don't think people do. so i have become more public about this in the last week leading up to today's appg. i have a blog that has gathered some momentum and attention and so many people have responded, saying, "i had no idea this is the situation we are in." people just don't know and because there is so much focus on an increase in people reporting their assault, which is great and it is what we need, people need to have trust in our criminaljustice system, but they don't understand that that increase is not reflected in the support provided. so these victims are encouraged to come forward, and then they are just left by themselves. and i don't think people understand that. from today, i want
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people in parliament, the mp5, to understand that whatever they think they are doing, it isn't enough. it clearly isn't enough, otherwise i would not be in this position. and it's notjust me — there's thousands of women like me, unprecedented, more than what anyone probably knows. thank you very much for talking to us. the appg is the group of mps from all parties that you are going to be talking to. rebecca hitchen from rape crisis, thank you for coming on the programme. in an on and on and on and on rape crisis centre. -- and this emailer says... thank you again to fern champion.
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if you've been affected by the issue of sexual violence — you'll find details of organisations offering information and support on the bbc actionline website. that's at bbc.co.uk/actionline next — the pro—brexit campaign group vote leave — who urged people to vote for brexit in the eu referendum — has been fined and reported to the police by the electoral commission. the elections watchdog said it found evidence of, serious breaches of the law. chris mason is in westminster for us. yes, this reminds us, not that we needed, that the brexit discussion is absolutely everywhere. not only was there the discussion in the house of commons last night about
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brexit related legislation, and there will be more tonight as well, rose and resignations and all that, but the machinations around the campaign groups during that referendum two years ago, and the official designated vleave campaign, vote leave. in summary, what are you saying this morning? our investigation found that spending by bleave on their campaign was done in common with vote leave, nothing wrong with that but when it happens the spine spending must be reported by vote leave as the designated spender, and that is what failed to happen on this occasion, so they should have reported that spending in the spending return, and also that that additional spending means they exceeded their spending limit by about £500,000. as a result you
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have find vote leave by £61,000. explain to our viewers why you came to that figure, and also what you would say to those who say it is not a lot of money —— fined vote leave. the first thing to say is that our maximum fine is only £20,000, which means that is the most we can fine, and we would like to see that increased. in this case what we found was that the spending return was inaccurate. we found a maximum fine for that plus a smaller £1000 fine for that plus a smaller £1000 fine for that plus a smaller £1000 fine for a failure to provide invoices. we then find vote leave for exceeding the spending limit, then finally we also, for the first time, imposed the maximum £20,000 fine for failure to comply with a statutory notice during the investigation. how frustrating is this for you? it is not your fault you can't fine people more because you can't fine people more because you have to operate within the low, but some people will be screaming that they feel vote leave cheated
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here, and yet the fine you can levy seems tiny relative to the wrongdoing you identify? we would agree with that. when you have campaigners spending millions of pounds, £20,000 can be seen as a fairly small cost of doing business, and we would like to see that change and we would like to see that change and we would like to see that change and we have repeatedly asked for that to be looked at. looking at other regulators, for example the information commissioner, they have the ability to fine far higher amounts, and indeed their ability to fine was recently increased so we would like to see ours looked at as well, and greater fines to be able to put on these campaigners were significantly breaking the lows. what would you say to those who see this proves the referendum was null and void? that you, as in elections watchdog, should be saying, the whole thing should be run again? that is not our remit. the remit is about making sure there is transparency and accuracy in how the money spent is reported and where it comes from and that is what we are
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looking at today. it is for us four way we do fine people have broken those rules, we look at that, and looking at 38 page report, people can do that on our website, but it isa can do that on our website, but it is a matter for parliament, what happens with referendum. vote leave said the report contains a number of false allegations and assertions that are totally inaccurate. it also says vote leave has not been interviewed by the commission and says you are supposedly impartial but perhaps motivated by political agenda. what you said that?” but perhaps motivated by political agenda. what you said that? i am disappointed nobody was interviewed by vote leave as well. we ask them five times over a period of three months to provide somebody to be interviewed and they didn't do so, so we are interviewed and they didn't do so, so we are immensely frustrated and thatis so we are immensely frustrated and that is why we issued the significant fine and were forced to issue the statutory notice, because we repeatedly sought co—operation from vote leave which we didn't get. we were, however, able to get a
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range of evidence from different sources which we have closely inspected and looked at in the course of our investigation, and i think what we have produced is a detailed, robust and impartial report, so i would strongly refute any allegation that the actual commission isn't independent and impartial because that is fundamental to what we do, and indeedis fundamental to what we do, and indeed is part of these investigations i would just say we have conducted 38 investigations now in relation to the eu referendum and they go right across the spectrum, of both leave and remain. thanks for speaking to us, the chief executive of electoral commission. and two commissioners, one from vote leave and one from beleave, have both been referred to the metropolitan police. thanks, chris. thanks for your m essa 9 es thanks, chris. thanks for your messages about the hosepipe ban. 0ne viewer says, why was there and no one thing about the water shortage?
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scott, who now lives in swindon, says, iam scott, who now lives in swindon, says, i am lucky i am not living in the north any more, especially with the north any more, especially with the new hot tub i got a few days ago. that sounds like a wind—up! another says, i would ago. that sounds like a wind—up! another says, iwould be ago. that sounds like a wind—up! another says, i would be gutted if i couldn't do it. if you pay for a monthly service, the companies have an obligation to provide you with an unrestricted service and if the companies want to impose a ban, then provide a refund to the customers. another one — this what i have lasted longer if people didn't use large paddling pools and hot tubs, plus using water to clean their drivers. that ought to have been banned long ago. if you have a hot tub, why have you got one?! still to come... the big increase in secondary school children being privately tutored. why? some of your big brexit questions answered — will theresa may survive as pm? and why is brexit taking so long? time for the latest news —
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here's the bbc news headlines this morning. dry skies also mean dry reservoirs and soon millions of households will be affected by the first hosepipe ban of the summer in england. known as a temporary use ban, it will come into force across parts of the north of england on sunday 5th august. there's been a hosepipe ban in northern ireland since the end ofjune. mps will debate another important piece of brexit legislation this afternoon, after theresa may narrowly avoided a commons defeat last night. conservative divisions were exposed when the prime minister was accused of "caving in" to eurosceptic tory mps, only then to face a rebellion from those in favour of a soft brexit. cabinet ministers insist the government's plans are still on track. donald trump is planning to meet members of congress amid a backlash over comments made during his summit
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with russian president vladimir putin. mr trump contradicted us intelligence agencies by saying that russia did not tamper in the 2016 presidential election campaign. some republicans accused the president of "weakness" and making "a tragic mistake". that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with hugh. cristiano ronaldo has been officially announced as a juventus player, having left real madrid in a £99 million move. at 33, he says he wants to show he still has lots to offer at the top level. france's players and fans chose to paint the town red, white and blue yesterday during an open—top bus parade in paris, as hundreds of thousands marked their second world cup win, 20 years on from their first. england are likely to be without one of their key batsmen, jason roy, when they face india in the deciding one—day international at headingley later.
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roy suffered a finger injury in saturday's win at lords. and after a rest day, britain's geraint thomas will resume just 43 seconds behind leader greg van avermaet as the riders head for the mountains for the 158 kilometre, 10th stage. that's all the sport for now. do you get your children tutored? you're not alone — the number of secondary school children in england and wales, who say they've received private tuition in the last year has more than doubled over the past decade. research from the sutton trust, a charity that seeks to address educational disadvantage and improve social mobility, has been given to bbc yorkshire. and what's more, it's an unregulated industry. there's currently no legal requirement for tutors to have criminal record checks. let's talk to aliceson 0 beirne from leeds, aliceson works
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at a school, her 10—year—old has private tuition. sir peter lampl, founder of the sutton trust education charity; rachael maskell,labour mp for york central — why do you use a tutor? . lacks confidence with maths. so we felt it would help her keep up with the pace before she got to high school so she didn't fall behind and got those basics entrenched. and has the tuition done that? it has. it has given her much more confidence with her maths were reassured her she is on track, but she predominantly lacks confidence. so she is much more relaxed about her maths work.
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her teacher at school has also acknowledged that she is much more confident with maths at school. what do you think about this big increase in secondary school children who are receiving private tuition? are concerned with that our daughter didn't fall behind with her maths work. i think it is increasing with secondary schoolchildren, the pace of work. everything is showing that children are keeping up. sir peter lampl from the sutton trust, what do you think of this rise?|j lampl from the sutton trust, what do you think of this rise? i think it's huge. it is part of the educational arms race. if you think about it, well off people get their kids into better schools, private schools, grammar schools, the best comprehensives. they do better on her work because the parents can help them and make sure they do it.
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and then you have got private tuition. it has grown like crazy. it's a $2 billion industry. 20% of it is used for grammar school entry. but this research today is simply about secondary school pupils. well, it's a huge issue for primary school pupils as well. ten and ii—year—olds are being tutored for grammar schools. i know, but your research todayis schools. i know, but your research today is about secondary school stu d e nts today is about secondary school students having private tuition. why do you think that is? a lot of them are having tuition for gcses and a—levels. a lot of the tuition is directed to getting through specific exams. some of it is general. we have done research that says tuition really works. it is a very effective way of getting kids up to another level. and what we have got here is what we call a glass floor. well off people won't let their kids fail, so
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they buy a lot of private tuition. the problem with that is that kids from low and moderate income backgrounds can't get up the ladder because it is being blocked by well off kids who aren't very bright, which is bad for social mobility. it is an unfairsystem, which is bad for social mobility. it is an unfair system, and it requires reforming. 0ur is an unfair system, and it requires reforming. our solution is that kids who can't afford tuition should be subsidised by the state. you can't stop people having tuition, it's a free country. but it is about £26 an hour, so low and moderate income kids, their parents can't afford tuition. it has a huge impact, and it's growing. rachael maskell, you're a labour it's growing. rachael maskell, you'rea labourmp it's growing. rachael maskell, you're a labour mp and you have a number of issues about private tuition. what are they? my biggest concern is the fact that private
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tutors do not have to to have criminal record checks. therefore, parents employing a tutor to support their children don't know the background of that individual. there is nothing in the law to say they need those criminal record checks. that means the market is open to individuals to enter, and perhaps those individuals could have an unsavoury history. for instance, i had a constituent who was groomed whilst they were receiving tuition, and that led to a sexual assault. we need to make sure the right safeguarding is in place around tutors and that parents have the ability to find out about a tutor's past. scott dempsey is a private tutor. do you present any kind of references all records to parents? yes. typically, when i started, i went through agencies and i still go through some agencies. i primarily work with a company where you go to
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them, they meet you, you get a seven—week criminal background check process. and anything will be shown on the screen. so your issue is that individuals don't have to do it, but if you go through an agency, it is a good thing to show parents? in my experience, all agencies will insist ona experience, all agencies will insist on a dbs check. what are you going to do about that? i have been meeting with government ministers to highlight this. it is unacceptable for ministers to say it is up to parents to find out about the background of individuals, as if somebody was going to announce their intent to groom a young person. somebody was going to announce their intent to groom a young personlj believe we need to tighten up the law. you could ask to see the dbs checks. you could, but because there is no process to have a dbs check, tutors will not necessarily have that. and then a parent goes to someone who has? that is an option,
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but with the range we are talking about, it could be music coaching and sports coaching as well as english and maths. aliceson, have you seen the dbs checks for the tutor for your ten—year—old? you seen the dbs checks for the tutor for your ten-year-old? yes. and everything is fine, obviously. yes. we looked on the website beforehand and spoke to the staff. they also came on recommendations from other parents as well, so we felt very comfortable. thank you for coming on the programme. coming up... the first hosepipe ban in england since 2012 has been announced. won viewer says, when i stopped seeing golf courses using vast amounts of water, i will consider using less also. there is a mini rebellion from residents in the north—west of england, who are threatening to use their hosepipe under cover of darkness and break
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the law. now, it's being billed as another big week for brexit. and it certainly looks as if theresa may's chequers plan is in trouble, and there have been daily resignations from her government. but doesn't it seem as if every week is a big week, in one way or another? to try to make sense of it all, we're going to ask two experts five big brexit questions. we are calling them experts. you may wa nt to we are calling them experts. you may want to change that description. with us is katy balls, political correspondent from a weekly magazine called the spectator, which is about british politics and culture, and broadly speaking, it's conservative—supporting. alex spence is here too — he's a senior political correspondent from buzzfeed news, which is a news website. would you say that is independent? we don't support a particular party. we are asking you to explain five big questions for our audience this morning, and let's
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start with this one — why is brexit taking so long? who would like to kick off? let's go with katy. is just who would like to kick off? let's go with katy. isjust a very conjugated process and the amount of time was spent in the eu means it is very ha rd to spent in the eu means it is very hard to do that in a short space of time, and adding to that the government hasn't been 100% sure what it wants from these negotiations, it has made it even slower, because it has taken theresa may up until this point to really see what you want specifically on trade... what do you think? i think thatis trade... what do you think? i think that is right. you've got 40 years with being intertwined with the european union, and you're not going to disentangle that overnight. i personally thought that would take many, many years to sort out. and then the actual process by which we have to leave the eu, article 50, that's two years, and you have to go
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through that, so, you know, it feels to all us like it's taking a long time, but this isjust... it was always going to take a long time. you said we are. you're originally from australia? i'm a kiwi actually. i'm so sorry, from australia? i'm a kiwi actually. i'm so sorry, my gosh! how long have you been here, do you mind me asking? i have been here 14 years now. do you have dual nationality? yes, that's fine. it is not down to me, but absolutely. yes, that's fine. it is not down to me, butabsolutely. 0k, katy. why is this week another big week for brexit? two reasons, another big week for parliament because we have a trade bill in the house, supposed to set the ground work for britain's trading relationship after we leave, but also it is a big week because we
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are not sure what is going on with theresa may's position at the moment, after she revealed her brexit hand and her cabinet a p pa re ntly brexit hand and her cabinet apparently came to an agreement at chequers last week, lots of resignations, and it seems a premiership is that one of the most vital point it has been since the snap election, which obviously spec ta kawale —— spectacularly snap election, which obviously spec takawale —— spectacularly backfired when she lost the majority. so we're not sure how she is coping or also we how she will get the legislation through for her brexit plan. what you think? we keep going through these phases where brexit is relatively calm for a few weeks, thenit relatively calm for a few weeks, then it seems to blow up. we have beenin then it seems to blow up. we have been ina then it seems to blow up. we have been in a phase of turbulence for a couple of weeks now, since... as donald trump described it... absolutely. this tunneljust days for a couple of weeks now, and —— the module —— tumultuous phase. it was
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fighting with the resignations, and as katy said he did with these pieces of low in the house today —— it was heightened with the resignations. 0k, moving on. is brexit definitely happening? until two weeks ago i probably would have said definitely, but i think we are entering in an unclear phase and i think the chances of no deal and no brexit have risen significantly because the conservative party has not got behind theresa may's vision and that does open up new possibilities. i agree. and that does open up new possibilities. iagree. i and that does open up new possibilities. i agree. iwouldn't say definitely. you know, personally i still think it is very, very likely to happen, but there is a slim chance that it won't happen, and the instability at the moment, the unpredictability and volatility we are seeing in westminster, i think, like katy says, if slightly
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raises the chances of brexit not happening. is there any deal, katy, that in people mac can and will agree on? not right now, but i think that could change —— that mps can and will agree on? theresa may relies on the support of the dup and there is not really any deal she can unite our party on. there is not a deal at the moment she can get labour mps to deal at the moment she can get labourmps tojoin deal at the moment she can get labour mps to join her on. deal at the moment she can get labour mps tojoin her on. i think public opinion might change and that might change mps ultimately represent their constituents to get behind the plan, but right now i think we arejust behind the plan, but right now i think we are just back to what we have had, the party bickering in the commons about brexit, but i think there will come a point when people have to pull together and make this work. finally, alex, will theresa may survive as prime minister? over what time period? you tell me. will she survive this week? probably. particularly if they bring
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the holidays forward. right, that would help, but it doesn't feel at the moment that will actually get through. i think lots of mps kicking back against that. you know, my working assumption is that theresa may will make it through every week, that there will be a lot of turbulence, and she keepsjust doing enough to muddle through and hold it together. but, you know, i say that with a big caveat, which is that things are really unpredictable right now and you just can't rule anything out. thank you both, thank you very much. alex spence from buzzfeed news, and katy balls from the spectator. thank you. the first hosepipe ban in england since 2012 will begin on august 5th — it'll affect most of you living in the north west. it follows a similar ban in northern ireland that began at the end ofjune. it means you will no longer be able to use sprinklers in your garden,
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or water your lawn or plants with a hosepipe. you won't be able to wash your car or caravan with a hosepipe and there'll be no more paddling pool filling with it. but you will be able to use a watering can as long as you fill it from a tap, and you can reuse grey water in your garden — that's water from your bathroom for example. the company bringing in the ban in northern england is united utilities. it says the long period of hot weather, combined with increased demand, has put extra strain on the system. but the company has also had to respond to criticism that it's failed to tackle water leaks across the system. we do spend money on tackling leakage, and on investing in our network to make it far more resilient for the future. and i would say that the number of new pipes and massive aqueducts we've built in recent years is really standing us in very good stead in the present dry weather situation. so we can move water around our region much more effectively than was ever the case before, because we have this very flexible network, including a major new pipeline linking liverpool and manchester. so we do invest heavily and we will continue to do so. now, we will have a process
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of enforcement which will involve going round reminding people, and writing if they are consistently breaching the ban. ultimately, there is a fine of up to £1000, but i don't think anybody would want to go there, and we would hope most customers would understand that the reason we've introduced these restrictions is because we do need everybody to help play their part. let's discuss some of this with dr claire hoolohan — she's from the tyndall centre for climate change research at the university of manchester. and talk to the environment agency injusta and talk to the environment agency injust a second. and talk to the environment agency in just a second. first of all, dr claire hoolohan. can you nail this? does russia have one of the worst water lea ks does russia have one of the worst water leaks out of all the private water leaks out of all the private water companies are not? ——. united utilities have one of the worst. my ta ke utilities have one of the worst. my take is that in the uk we have a really big and old water
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infrastructure which means some leakage is inevitable. water companies have targets and make big investments in our water infrastructure, so leakage is only one part of the problem. when it comes to summer water shortage, it is more about what water is available, when and where, and how much we are using. at the moment obviously in the uk we have a really long period of drought, dry weather, which means we are using a little bit more water and it means we have a little less water available for us to use. but also in the northwest we have just had these massive fires which are placing extraordinary demand on the water, so leakages one park. -- one part. we will bring in doctor fox. this
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has been the driestjune in england since 1965, with an unprecedented level of demand. why i read all the water companies bringing in a ban them? —— wire or all the water companies not bringing in a ban? we are reliant on stored unsaved rainwater that runs off the hills and wejust rainwater that runs off the hills and we just have not had that rain. we are working very closely with united utilities to look at the impact of this dry weather on people and the environment. it is ourjob at the environment agency to balance these needs, and we welcome the announcement by united utilities trying to manage better and demand on all of us in this period of prolonged weather. are you saying there are somewhat companies who do manage their water supply is better than united utilities? no, not mr saleh. each water company is required to balance its demands with
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that supply, and they are in turn reliant on the geology, the landscape, they are dealing with and theirarea. so in landscape, they are dealing with and their area. so in the south—east of england the water companies are heavily reliant on ground water, water stored in chocolate limestone, and in the north—west they are relied on a collection of surface water from rain —— chalk and limestone. water companies have their own needs to meet demand and we in the environment agency served to balance those with the needs of the environment and set the limits on how much water can be taken, and we work with what companies on leakage as well... those viewers who got in touch with us to suggest they are going to effectively break the ban and water the garden at night, for example, what would you say to them? well, i would say think about what's at the other end of your hosepipe? it's a river, lake, reservoir, with wildlife dependent on that water, just as much as we are in ourgardens.
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on that water, just as much as we are in our gardens. just think about whether that water on the garden is really truly necessary, because i know that rivers are drying up, we are having fish kills the environment agency i attended, to try to save wildlife and move them to safer areas, and these are direct results of this prolonged dry weather. ok, thank you very much. let's talk the chris page in belfast. how is the ban going down there? we are two and a half weeks into the hosepipe ban here, northern ireland water, the company that runs the water structure, and at the time they said it was to do with increased demand rather than low levels in the reservoir, so when the ban came in at the end ofjune demand was 30% higher at this time of year. since it came in, the demand has dropped, still about 11% higher than normal so the hosepipe ban is set to continue. regarding enforcement, northern ireland water say 140 people who have broken the
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ban have been reported to them and officials from the company have gone along and spoken to those people, but no further action has been needed. no word of any fines or anything like that. so it seems like anything like that. so it seems like a softly, softly approach, but it does seem people have been breaking the ban. we had first significant rainfall ina the ban. we had first significant rainfall in a month but with the dry weather set to continue there is no end in sight to this hosepipe ban and this is the first time it has been enforced in ireland since 1995, so 22 years. thank you, chris. let me read some messages. clare says, i remember the summer of 1976 and as a teenager i had to go
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to collect water from the paper in the street. if this ban says people having to do that i'm sure they would prefer. also water in your garden at night secretly will not work. if users all the green one in your street, quite a giveaway. this is another one. "well reservoir levels are so low it is an opportunity for water companies to increase their capacity by digging out decades of silt and mud." this one, from newcastle, when i see and so on one, from newcastle, when i see and sooni one, from newcastle, when i see and so on i will do so as well. another one. i reported a leak in april and it is still leaking. let's bring you the weather with simon. hello amounts of water i will do so as well. another one. i reported the league in april and it is still leaking. let's bring you the weather with simon. yesterday afternoon yesterday was another hot and steamy day across eastern parts of england, temperatures widely getting to about 30 celsius and in fact it was 31.5 in gravesend in kent. that was yesterday in complete contrast we had some rain and thunderstorms through yesterday evening, a dramatic photograph from darlington there yesterday a system moving out to the north—east. for many of us, dry start today, but still some showers moving in scotland, northern ireland, perhaps northern england and even perhaps the odd late
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isolated shower across wales, the midlands and eastern parts of england during this afternoon. the fresher feel the conditions across the south—east, temperatures, getting but the shares have mostly cleared away into the north sea. you can see from the satellite imagery, system moving out to the north—east. for many of us, dry start to the day, but still some showers moving in scotland, northern ireland, perhaps northern england and even perhaps northern england and even perhaps the odd late isolated shower across wales, the midlands and eastern parts of england during this afternoon. the fresher feel the conditions across the south—east, temperatureto 23—25d. elsewhere, fairly similarto temperatureto 23—25d. elsewhere, fairly similar to away except perhaps the north—east of scotland, including spells in the early hours of wednesday morning. 0vernight temperatures getting down to this evening and tonight, the showers mostly clearing away except perhaps the north—east of scotland, including spells into the early hours of wednesday morning. 0vernight temperatures getting down moore dotted around the 10—13d. during the coast guard— and rightly the us, some sunshine. the max 0rrin is across wales, the england, the matt moore dotted around they were rainfall on wednesday. temperatures no significant rainfall on wednesday. temperatures are a little a few mordt dotted around. you will notice this pressure coming out of iceland, throwing the weather system
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ahead of that. increased cloud in the north west of scotland. eventually some rain pushing in as well. elsewhere on thursday, it should be a mother dry day and then lots of sunshine and it will turn even warmer. look at the red a few mordt dotted around. you will notice this pressure coming out of iceland, throwing the weather system ahead of that. increased cloud in the north west of scotland. eventually some rain pushing in as well. elsewhere on thursday, it should be a mother dry day and then lots of sunshine and it will turn even warmer. look at the red starting to build —— it should be another friday. in the mid to high 20s, 29 in london. very similaragain to high 20s, 29 in london. very similar again across scotland and in the mid—to high 20s, 29 in london. very similar again across scotland and northern ireland on friday we keep the hot weather for england and wales. still the risk of one or two showers, some rain for scotland, perhaps in northern ireland, but going into the weekend it will dry out for most of us. we week and looking dry with some sunny spells. bye— bye looking dry with some sunny spells. bye—bye on friday we keep the hot weather for england and wales. hello. it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. seven million of you in the north west of england are facing a hosepipe ban starting at the beginning of august — if you're caught, you can be fined up to £1,000.
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i had an e—mail off united utilities saying to stop having baths and stuff, so i thought i would do my bit by not pampering myself on a sunday. how to deal with harassment at westminster. proposals are published today — we'll be speaking to victims in the next few minutes. we'll be speaking to three women who made allegations against three mps. a transgender woman who worked as a van driver in the gig economy is bringing a discrimination claim against the courier company she worked for. if you're being discriminated against in any sort of form, you should be able to bring some sort of justice to bear on these people. you know, they can't get away with just treating people like they're commodities. and i'll talk to hayley just after 10.15. good morning. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the day's news. around seven million people in north
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west england will be affected by a hosepipe ban early next month. united utilities says the restrictions are due to weeks of dry weather, which has caused reservoir levels to fall. there's also been a hosepipe ban in northern ireland since the end ofjune. mps will debate another important piece of brexit legislation this afternoon, after theresa may narrowly avoided a commons defeat last night. conservative divisions were exposed when the prime minister was accused of "caving in" to eurosceptic tory mps, only then to face a rebellion from those in favour of a soft brexit. cabinet ministers insist the government's plans are still on track. brexit campaign group vote leave has been fined £61,000 and referred to the police after an electoral commission probe said it broke electoral law. the investigation found significant evidence ofjoint working between the group and another organisation — beleave — leading to it exceeding its spending limit by almost £500,000. vote leave have denied any wrongdoing. donald trump is planning to meet members of congress amid a backlash over comments made during his summit
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with russian president vladimir putin. mr trump contradicted us intelligence agencies by saying that russia did not tamper in the 2016 presidential election campaign. some republicans accused the president of "weakness" and making "a tragic mistake". the all party parliamentary group for sexual violence will hear evidence later today about how rape crisis services are seeing more victims and survivors than ever before. this programme has spoken to a victim who was raped on her gap year, and on returning to the uk had to wait months for support. there is already so much shame around sexual assault and sexual violence. so when you do the things they tell you you need to do, you report it to the police and seek help, to then be turned away so many times and to be denied justice, denied support, it takes its toll. and then when you can't see a way out, like, what are you supposed to do? 23 people have been injured in hawaii after a boat
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they were in was hit by lava from the erupting mount kilauea volcano. molten rock running into the ocean exploded and threw chunks of lava onto the vessel and through the roof. you can see what happens when the lava reaches the sea here. 0ne passenger suffered a broken leg, while others had burns. the group had been taking part in what's been described as a "lava tour" to view the continuing eruption. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. let's get some sport now. hugh is at the bbc sport centre. good morning. we start with some humble comments from cristiano ronaldo. he says he is "grateful for the opportunity" given to him byjuventus and aims to bring the champions league to turin. he was shown off by his new club after his transfer from real madrid — worth nearly £100 million — yesterday. the 33—year—old says players of his age could have gone to play
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in qatar or china, but he's still got lofty ambitions in italy. some people have questioned juventus paying £100 million for a 33—year—old, butjuventus paying £100 million for a 33—year—old, but juventus have paying £100 million for a 33—year—old, butjuventus have an obsession with winning the champions league. they haven't been european champions in 23 years now, and they think ronaldo, arguably the best player in the world, can do the business on the pitch and bring the title back to juventus. business on the pitch and bring the title back tojuventus. they have got close, but they haven't had the trophy. as well as on the pitch, they think ronaldo can do good business off the pitch. there are exa m ples of business off the pitch. there are examples of that already, because the club have already sold over half a million ronaldo shirts, which means depending on how much people are paying for them, they have already wreaked up to 18 big —— they have already wreaked up to £83 million. ronaldo has said, most players my age go to qatar or china.
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iam players my age go to qatar or china. i am still good enough to play in europe. and he thinks he still might wina europe. and he thinks he still might win a sixth ballon d'0r. england's cricketers are staying relaxed as they build up to the one—day series decider against india at headingley later today. but they're likely to be without one of their key batsman jason roy, who has a finger injury. meanwhile, alastair cook warmed up for the test series later this summer with a century for the england lions. i think after the first game, as long as we win, we are pretty relaxed. 0bviously, long as we win, we are pretty relaxed. obviously, the first game wasn't good enough, but we knew what we needed to do better. it wasn't doom and gloom, it was, this is what we need to do in the next game. we did itand we need to do in the next game. we did it and now we have momentum for the third one. the riders head to the mountains for the 10th stage of the tour de france later, after a rest day... team sky's geraint thomas is in good form ahead
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of the 158 kilometre climb. he trails leader greg van avermaet by just 43 seconds... that's all the sport for now. it was at the end of last year when every week, there seemed to be another mp accused of some form of harassment or inappropriate behaviour. it led to the resignation of two cabinet ministers. 0ther mps are still under investigation. there was anger at the accusations and westminster‘s failure to deal with them. we now have the government's proposals for how that system is going to change. a "working group" of politicians and unions has been looking at this for the last eight months. but their proposals have been criticised, as they won't cover any allegations made before june last year. so do the proposals meet the demands of alleged victims — and the security staff, canteen workers, committee clerks and others whose work in parliament means mps can do theirjob? let's ask some of them. kate maltby accused then cabinet minister damian green of making
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inappropriate advances towards her. a civil servant's a civil serva nt‘s inquiry a civil servant's inquiry found her account was plausible. jane merrick says the former defence secretary sir michael fallon harassed her when she was working in westminster as a journalist. he eventually resigned over that. ava etemadzadeh accused labour mp kelvin hopkins of unwanted touching and sending her inappropriate text messages. and from the fda trade union, which represents house of commons staff, is amy leversidge. damian green and kelvin hopkins deny any inappropriate conduct. sir michael fallon has acknowledged his behaviourfell short of the standards expected of him as defence secretary. from what you know of these proposals so far, i wonder what you could tell our audience about them, kate? first of all, you mentioned that michael fallon resigned and damian green denied inappropriate
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behaviour. he apologised to me in a letter when he resigned, acknowledging that he had made me feel uncomfortable, just to clarify. what surprised all of us is that we are all people who had serious concerns about the house of commons culture. all of us came forward because we knew of a series of cases and we were wrecking complaints about the culture as a whole, not because we were after the resignations of particular individuals. we were complaining about a culture. i think that has been taken seriously by this working group. we have been impressed by the work of andrea leadsom, which frankly has surprised me, the level of her personal commitment. but there is this proposal which has been brought before the house this week with some good ideas in it, but week with some good ideas in it, but we worry that over this week, those proposals may continue to be watered down as mps and ministers haggle
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over the final proposal. and it's a crazy week in westminster. you have been discussing brexit. people should remember that sexual harassment and bullying is a major issue facing the house of commons this week, and we don't want our victories to be traded away as a pawn in the brexit haggle. victories to be traded away as a pawn in the brexit hagglelj victories to be traded away as a pawn in the brexit haggle. i have similar concerns. 0ne pawn in the brexit haggle. i have similar concerns. one good thing is the fact that there will finally be independent investigators. the problem with all of our cases and the cases we were told about is that the cases we were told about is that the only place to go was either the party, where you would fear retribution from party officials, or there would be a cover—up or worse. there was also this idea of cluster reporting, where if you have experienced something unwelcome in a lift but you don't feel it is enough to go toa lift but you don't feel it is enough to go to a full investigation, you canjust log to go to a full investigation, you can just log it with this new system and they can record it. and if they have ten or 12 incidents of these uncomfortable behaviour, it will be
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registered. the next summer becomes with a more serious complaint, they have got that context. that is important. but i would echo what kate said about andrea leadsom's commitment. it is good.|j kate said about andrea leadsom's commitment. it is good. iagree kate said about andrea leadsom's commitment. it is good. i agree with both kate and jane in terms of the ha rd both kate and jane in terms of the hard work that andrea leadsom has put into this. over the past few years, one of my criticisms was that these proposals should have been introduced a few years ago after previous allegations. it is too little, too late. but i still welcome the work that andrea leadsom and hergroup's welcome the work that andrea leadsom and her group's proposals to introduce an independent sexual harassment and bullying complaints procedure. and from a union point of
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view? we have a different perspective, because house staff already have the respect policy in place. our experience of using that policy is that it is unusable. there are so many flaws in the policy that we cannot navigate our way through that. one of the things the fda is saying about these proposals is that they are a good start, but they don't go all the way. while the independent investigation process is good and i echo those compliments to the policy, it doesn't go far enough. so what would you add to it? there are a few things we would change. firstly, they have to address the issues of the past. the group have made a choice to restrict the staff bringing past complaints under the new policies. they are not
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going to be able to bring past complaints from before the last election. and if the complaint is since then, they can only bring it for investigation. that means investigation and no sanctions. what do you make of that cut—off? anything before june do you make of that cut—off? anything beforejune last do you make of that cut—off? anything before june last year, do you make of that cut—off? anything beforejune last year, they won't investigate. it's clearly disappointing. we have been given the excuse that the legal complications are too much if you start holding people to account by a code that didn't exist before the time of the offence. that is a fair point, but i am saying that as a compromise, i am more supportive of the leadsom proposals than amy on this. i have been reassured, but i have yet to see in print that if there are cases dating back to before 2017 about an mp or employer in the house of commons who has been complained about separately now in 2018, it is important that that should be able to be used as cluster evidence of a pattern of behaviour. so if you bring a complaint tomorrow
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about something that happened this week against a particular mp and that guy turned out to have issues in 2016 where people tried to complain and were not able to find the right system because there wasn't a system then, that surely has to be taken into account. this is the sort of thing where we have been given lots of nice promises about how the grey areas in the legislation will let that happen, but we need to see concrete evidence this week. do you agree with that about the cluster evidence that might come before this cut—off date? yes. the historical thing is important and mps have taken the path of least resistance because they fear the legal challenges. i can imagine it is a legal quagmire, but they don't have to go down that path. when this issue exploded in november, theresa may said parliament had to be a place of respect, and she should push andrea
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leadsom and andrea leadsom should push herself... it feels like this isn't the biggest story because of brexit, as kate said. but there are people working in the house of commons now who were sexually assaulted and harassed going back years and they are still having to work near their perpetrators. they will not getjustice work near their perpetrators. they will not get justice through this system. what about the issue of whether an alleged incident happens on the parliamentary estate or happens in a westminster bar or in the environs of westminster?” happens in a westminster bar or in the environs of westminster? i think this new system needs to be applied not just this new system needs to be applied notjust in this new system needs to be applied not just in parliament, this new system needs to be applied notjust in parliament, it needs to be applied beyond. many people tell me how they have been sexually harassed or assaulted by councillors or at the clp level. it is important that these proposals be applied not just to parliament, but also to
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political parties. political parties need to have an independent system. but if it's away from the working environment, does that not become a more grey area for the parliament authority to investigate? wouldn't the right thing be to go to the police? gender we have is with clerks were we have is with clerks were they often we have is with clerks were they ofte n ta ke we have is with clerks were they often take trips aboard with their committees we often have this problem but there we often committees we often have this problem but there we often have committees we often have this problem but there we often have this problem but there we often have this problem but there shouldn't be any no matter where you are. if you happen to be in a particular room you shouldn't have more rights than anywhere else. returning to the point we were discussing before i ran past cases and cluster reporting, it is actually one of the things they haven't worked no matter where you are. if you happen to be ina where you are. if you happen to be in a particular room you shouldn't have more rights than anywhere else.
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returning to the point we were discussing before i ran past cases and cluster reporting, it is actually one of the things they haven't worked out with the policy it -- haven't worked out with the policy it —— around past our experience, when wewith our experience, when we negotiated the respect policy in 2014 we knew it was flawed but we expected it —— accepted that something was better than nothing. but it turned out it wasn't because we can't use the policy. to ask staff and mp staff to put their faith ina staff and mp staff to put their faith in a six—month review is just... too much. let me ask you a broader question about the culture and atmosphere at westminster, since many of you spoke out about the alleged incidents you say happened to you. has it changed, kate, enough? it is getting better. it hasn't changed enough. i think whatever happens with the proposals on the table what we need is cultural change. people will not report if there is not a culture taking this seriously. employers and mps when to change their behaviour
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if it is enabled by their mates, for for me it is about getting these proposals through, not because they are perfect but because they are la st are perfect but because they are last warning. if parliament vote on this this week it acknowledges there isa this this week it acknowledges there is a cloud of conduct governing them, that even if it doesn't hold them, that even if it doesn't hold them to account properly they cannot claim ignorance as a defence. it tells them what is and is not acceptable. i would echo that. i think things have changed, but who is changing for? there are still mps who think the rules don't apply to them, who think the idea of training is ridiculous, and it probably does go over their heads and actually a lot of the cases we have seen, the recognition of wrongdoing, it was all qualified, a lot of it. ijust wonder whether those people involved have really ta ken wonder whether those people involved have really taken on board that society has changed. since the metoo movement, our tolerance of this problem it has completely changed. 0k, problem it has completely changed. ok, i will leave it there. thank you
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all for coming on the programme. thank you. coming up... before school breaks up for summer, secondary school pupils in england will be given lessons about the dangers of knife crime for the first time — we'll be talking to a former gang member, a mother and a youth worker. that is before 11. next, a transgender woman who worked as a van driver in the gig economy is bringing a discrimination claim against the delivery company she worked for. while previous cases against companies such as uber have been about rights to things like holiday pay and pension, this case is thought to be the first case testing discrimination and lgbt — lesbian, gay, bixsexual and trangender — rights in the gig economy. ? here's our legal eagle, clive coleman until recently this until recently this was hayley‘s — formerly stanley — daily routine, putting on full make—up and comfortable shoes, before starting her day's work as a delivery‘ driver,
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something she's been doing for 12 years. hayley worked at gnewt cargo, where her duties were to load deliveries onto her van, and deliver them across central london, but claims she encountered problems based on her gender reassignment. they would constantly leave things where i would load up on the morning. 0ne where i would load up on the morning. one time, there were about 70 boxes i had physically moved by hand, before i could start work. it just used to get me down, upset me. sometimes when the workers would come in they would point and laugh and snigger. the front wheel on my bike was loosened and i came of it going home. you complain about it, and they just ignore going home. you complain about it, and theyjust ignore it, you know? you start to feel helpless. hayley was dismissed injanuary you start to feel helpless. hayley was dismissed in january when you start to feel helpless. hayley was dismissed injanuary when gnewt cargo alleged she deliberately damaged a shot, which she denies. she hasn't worked since. she is now bringing a discrimination claim for bullying and harassment. to do that, she has to establish that she was a
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worker or an employee, and not an independent contractor running her own two—year business. the gig economy debate has focused on people's right to holiday pay, pension and the minimum wage —— not her own courier business. but the other thing denied to those bogus lea k other thing denied to those bogus leak classified as independent contractors is protection from discrimination. without that, employers can't read women, ethnic and other minority groups less fairly. hayley‘s case is being supported by the independent workers union of great britain. the government refuses to enforce the law. what we have seen across the board with courier companies, private hire companies and others, they unlawfully deprived their workforces of basic rights and they are able to do that because the law is not enforced and that is why it comes down to us and other unions and individuals to have to go to court and enforce those rights. and individuals to have to go to court and enforce those rightsm
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and individuals to have to go to court and enforce those rights. in a statement, gnewt cargo said,... but for hayley, the case is the point of principle. it's wrong. if you are being discriminated against in any sort of form, you should be able to bring some sort ofjustice to bear on these people. you know? they can't get away with just treating people like they are commodities. this case put dignity at work under the spotlight. it's an important issue for workers and firms in both the established and new gig economy. hayley stanley is with us, as is mags dewhirst of the
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independent workers‘ union of great britain, who are helping hayley. tim connor? tim is an entrepreneur and founded connoco group in 2008. he now employs people, mainly via the gig economy, across nine countries, and clive coleman ? our legal eagle... how bad do you say the situation get at work for you hayley? i was only one who wasn‘t allowed to buy a i was only one who wasn‘t allowed to buya van, i was only one who wasn‘t allowed to buy a van, i would get other people‘s parcels, it was really frustrated. every time. i hated going in there in the mornings. do you say absolutely it is because you are trans—woman? you say absolutely it is because you are trans-woman? the sniggering that i complained about, that is, obviously. i think my bike was
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attacked i am. and gnewt cargo actually... the firm i worked for, the actually —— vaped a movable canteen in one of my days, so when i turned up in the morning i couldn‘t start work —— they put immovable canteen. why are you supporting hayley‘s case, mags? canteen. why are you supporting hayley's case, mags? obviously it is a really serious thing that hayley we nt a really serious thing that hayley went through. i think it is important to remember the problems was the so—called gig economy are not only related to things like the national minimum wage and paid holidays and pensions that we normally talk about, but this is a broader issue that employers can still free themselves of that responsibility if they choose to classify people as independent contractors. you know, discrimination is something... protection from discrimination, sorry, something which is a
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universal right, and whether you are a courier or anyone, you should have those protections. in terms of the gig economy, tim, i know that you think it has an unjustified reputation for treating workers badly. how so? ithink reputation for treating workers badly. how so? i think there are obviously instances, there will be instances, like hayley's case, and i feel for you, but at the same time the gig economy is a fantastic thing across the world. you know, 2.5 by 2025, the kinsey report says, and it will add two percentages to global gdpi will add two percentages to global gdp i think there will be issues but we need to evolve with them, and along the way across the world there will be different issues that come up will be different issues that come up and we do need to work with them, as opposed to saying, look, the gig economy is a bad thing. i think it isa economy is a bad thing. i think it is a fantastic thing. so many people speak to me and we employ a lot of people, obviously, not all full—time. .. people, obviously, not all
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full-time. .. and the more significant it becomes in terms of how many people are employed, how much it produces, the cable of money turned over, does that mean bosses like yourself have to take the rights of the people they employ more seriously? —— the kind of money turned over. no, we do. there are a lot of different instances but we need to take responsibility, we really do. but there are a lot of different instances and i think it is getting to each one individually and evolving them. clive, this is unusual. what happened is now in hayley stanley‘s case? unusual. what happened is now in hayley stanley's case? it is unusual because the bulk of cases we have seenin because the bulk of cases we have seen in the gig economy cases, involving uber, pimlico plumbers, they have been about holiday rates, they have been about holiday rates, the national minimum wage, and pensions. what this case highlights —— holiday rights. if someone is incorrectly or bogus leak classified as an independent contractor, then the other thing they miss out on is
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protection from discrimination —— if they are bogusly classified. there are one or two at other times where this has been raised but this case absolutely puts this front and centre and it will get it run its course, go to a tribunal and it will get a ruling. course, go to a tribunal and it will geta ruling. it course, go to a tribunal and it will get a ruling. it is interesting the point tim makes, because we were chatting earlier and he says he has absolute zero tolerance towards discrimination, but the fact is him asa discrimination, but the fact is him as a man running a company, an employer, but what this case is doing and others like it, it is fighting to establish in this new landscape, the gig economy landscape, the gig economy landscape, what you genuinely are, are you an independent contractor running your own business, or are you a worker working for another business, or are you a full employee? if you are a fool employee gets a full suite of rights, if you area gets a full suite of rights, if you are a worker you get some of those including holiday pay, protection from this commission, or are you genuinely running your own business, in which case you get none of those
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-- full in which case you get none of those —— full employee. hayley, you reported the verbal abuse and the vandalism, but you didn tfeel the company took any action — why? there is no record of the reports. they took no statements. they listened to what i said but there is nothing in writing, it was not done officially. and i think when the union got in touch with them they denied all of it. is that true? i believe it's true, yeah. right. what do you hope will come from your case? i would live to see changed. i only worked for this company. i couldn‘t go on to do other work. therefore if they did what they did to me, just got rid of me, and literally just ended my to me, just got rid of me, and literallyjust ended my contract there and then, you do have some sort of recompense. if you have a family, or a mortgage sort of recompense. if you have a family, ora mortgage oranything, and they did this to you, you would be... they would have ruined your life completely. they can literally
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cancel your contract for anything they feel. and i think that‘s wrong, i‘m sorry. they feel. and i think that‘s wrong, i'm sorry. yeah. tim, what would you say... ucu wouldn‘t stand for any discrimination. you may be one of the responsible entrepreneurs in the gig economy which is perhaps why you‘re comfortable to talk about it on national television —— you see that you wouldn‘t stand. what you see the other bosses who run these companies, not just on see the other bosses who run these companies, notjust on the financial side of things for their workers, but when it comes to the right to be able to go to work and not be discriminative against?” able to go to work and not be discriminative against? i think we have a real responsibility as employers. through whatever means we employers. through whatever means we employ people. we have a lot of responsibility and we have to stand up responsibility and we have to stand upfor responsibility and we have to stand up for employees. employees are very... again, however you employ them, they are very important to us, they are what makes our businesses and it is what makes our businesses take, not only from my perspective but i know that there are a lot of other employers who feel the same as
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me, and unfortunately it has been undermined by some who don‘t feel the same way —— makes our businesses tick. i'm glad you have this attitude and it is a good attitude to have, but i think one of the key things you were saying, you employ people, the central problem with the gig economy is that employers are refusing to employ people, and thereby avoiding the rights and responsibilities that come with employment. so it is kind of, you know, you can't have it both ways. either you employ people and you give people, whether workers or employees, you know, the rights that go along with those classifications, orare go along with those classifications, or are you say, —— go along with those classifications, or are you say, “ or go along with those classifications, or are you say, —— or you go along with those classifications, or are you say, “ or you can see, as courier, a classified all the time, you run your own business, we have absolutely no responsibility towards you, whether you work for 15 minutes, 15 hours or 50 hours, there is no obligation and no responsibility towards you. sure,
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andi responsibility towards you. sure, and i think there are a lot of aspects. 0bviously like we were discussing earlier, whether you work for 37.5 hours a week or whether you work in our... i work with a lot of contractors, i suppose you could call them, through a lot of digital platforms, if we need press releases or something put out, and u nfortu nately we or something put out, and unfortunately we can‘t give the same rights to them, and i would love to, don‘t get me wrong. coming back to the scrimmage and, that is something we don‘t stand in any instance, but at the same time —— coming back to discrimination. there are obviously benefits to independent contractors. you can‘t see it as an individual having it always up. you get so many flexible benefits, not only for the employers but also i suppose for the contract. we are not going to go over the flexibility, we have done that a hundred tonnes of this programme! thank you. time for the latest news — here‘sjoanna. around seven million people in north west england will be affected
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by a hosepipe ban early next month. united utilities says the restrictions are due to weeks of dry weather, which has caused reservoir levels to fall. there‘s also been a hosepipe ban in northern ireland since the end ofjune. mps will debate another important piece of brexit legislation this afternoon, after theresa may narrowly avoided a commons defeat last night. conservative divisions were exposed when the prime minister was accused of "caving in" to eurosceptic tory mps, only then to face a rebellion from those in favour of a soft brexit. cabinet ministers insist the government‘s plans are still on track. brexit campaign group vote leave has been fined £61,000 and referred to the police after an electoral commission probe said it broke electoral law. the investigation found significant evidence ofjoint working between the group and another organisation — beleave — leading to it exceeding its spending limit by almost £500,000. vote leave have denied any wrongdoing. donald trump is planning to meet members of congress amid a backlash over comments made during his summit
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with russian president vladimir putin. mr trump contradicted us intelligence agencies by saying that russia did not tamper in the 2016 presidential election campaign. some republicans accused the president of "weakness" and making "a tragic mistake". the government‘s plans for dealing with harassment at westminster have been unveiled. leader of the commons andrea leadsom has published the proposals which focuses on a need for long term cultural change. a "working group" of politicians and unions has been looking at this for the last eight months. that‘s a summary of the latest bbc news. here‘s some sport now. cristiano ronaldo has been officially announced as a juventus player, having left real madrid in a £99 million move. at 33, he says he wants to show he still has lots to offer at the top level... france‘s players and fans chose to paint the town red,
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white and blue yesterday during an open top bus parade in paris as hundreds of thousands marked their second world cup win, 20 years on from their first... england are likely to be without one of their key batsmen, jason roy, when they face india in the deciding one day international at headingley later. roy suffered a finger injury in saturday‘s win at lords. and after a rest day, britain‘s geraint thomas will resume just 43 seconds behind leader greg van avermaet as the riders head for the mountains for the 158 kilometre 10th stage. that‘s all the sport for now. how do you stop knife crime soaring during the summer holidays? the government has announced that schools will be giving hour long lessons to secondary pupils in england before they break up for summer. the lessons, for 11 to 16—year—olds, will warn young people not to believe everything they see on social media, and that it is false to believe most other youngsters have knives or that carrying a knife is
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a form of self—defence. at the weekend, the mayor of london sadiq khan spoke to the bbc‘s andrew marr about the surge in violent crime in the capital, and discussed what the government should be doing about it. let me talk about my record, which is in the last two years. in the last four years, crime has been going up in london and across the country. in the last year in london, violent crime went up by 4%. i‘m not happy with that. in the country, it has gone up by 21%. in the last four years in hampshire, cambridgeshire, essex, norfolk... it has gone up... but in london, where you are responsible, stabbings are up 22%. it‘s not good enough. we will take action. we need the government to help us. i am doing my bit in london. in the
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last two years, we have invested, from city hall, £140 million in police and a new violent crime task force. the context is £140 million versus force. the context is £140 million versus £1 billion of government cuts. police and crime commissioners, chief constables and home office civil servants all accept there is a link between a cut in police resources and an increase in crime. i am not excusing criminality, but we need the government to help us. i‘m joined in the studio by former gang member, raspect, from staffordshire by alison cope — whose son was stabbed to death in birmingham. and will flint was stabbed 12 times in birmingham last year. alison, what do you think of this idea? it's a good idea, but what confuses me
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and frustrates me is how come they think a week before the school holidays that they can access every single young person and every family in this country? it is too little, too late. this needed to be done in schools all around the country, but bringing it out a couple of weeks before the summer holidays and expecting teachers and staff to access expecting teachers and staff to a ccess every expecting teachers and staff to access every child when some of those children have already left school for summer is... and i think they are doing it so that when people do use knives over the summer holiday, they can say they did this. it's holiday, they can say they did this. it‘s not good enough. what do you think of that? i agree that it's not good enough. i also saw sadiq khan on the screen at city hall. i was telling him you have to invest in people on the ground, and i heard about a lot of investment, 200 million or so being put towards police. and i heard after that that
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not even 1% of that was put towards the community. he has set up various initiatives. we haven't seen anything. the people on the ground haven't seen anything. let's go back to the idea of lessons in the week before secondary schools break up. alison says it‘s too little, too late. is it better than nothing?m depends. the time i saw things go viral was when it was on the news. we we re viral was when it was on the news. we were hearing about post—cold war is. people don't know anything about postcode wars. and now they have internalised it, like, what postcode, from? internalised it, like, what postcode, from ? so internalised it, like, what postcode, from? so the fact that the news plastered it everywhere in 2008, that could have the same detrimental effect in the schools if it is not done right. you can't have someone who doesn't come from that background tgv 's youth about it,
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because they are not going to listen. it would be like me trying to teach women about sexism. i have to teach women about sexism. i have to listen to women and have women who have gone through sexism being at the forefront. it's the same with this. let me bring in will. i said you were stabbed 12 times in birmingham last year. tell our audience what happened. yes, i was. hi, everyone. 0n audience what happened. yes, i was. hi, everyone. on new year's eve last year, i was on a night out with some friends. i stopped to use a cashpoint on my way home. i heard an argument and there was a woman being chased up the street by a man who had pulled her by the hair and punched her in the face. when they came towards me, i intervened and then the man pulled out a knife by his right hip and came for me and started stabbing me. i was stabbed 12 times, rushed into hospital, collapsed on the hospital floor and
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had to have life—saving surgery. it wasn't the best start to the new year, but since then i have been involved in launching a campaign based around awareness of my story and the victims of knife crime and how we can try and stop the issue. what do you think of this idea of secondary school pupils being given effectively a crash course in knife safety before they break up for summer? i'm not in a gang and never have been and stories like mine are becoming more common. it's notjust about postcode was any more. everyone is starting to feel the effects from this. but i also agree with alison. this is too little, too late. and it's a conjugated issue. it is not something that throwing a new school syllabus about knife crime is going to change. it's not just a matter of handing features a
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sylla bus just a matter of handing features a syllabus and expecting knife crime to drop. it might have the opposite effect. it might scare these children. and what do people do when they are scared? they protect themselves. as raspect said, it depends what is said in these lessons. if you were invited in to talk to 11 to 16—year—olds, what might you say? i would say to question the psychology behind it. that is what we need to look at. why are people carrying a knife? is it because they are scared? is because knives are now a status symbol on our streets, or is it because somebody else is carrying them and therefore they are scared into carrying one themselves? but question the psychology behind that. isa question the psychology behind that. is a knife going to protect you in that situation or is it going to result in a prison sentence, blood on your hands or your own blood being spilled, and is it worth it? the education should be focused
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around the overall impact of what damage a knife is going to do not just in the moment it is pulled in the wrong situation, but also the long term effects. alison, what would you say? i agree with all of that. it is complicated, because to educate young people in schools is essential. but i have spoken to 270,000 young essential. but i have spoken to 270 , 000 young people essential. but i have spoken to 270,000 young people and they and so the question the same. why do they carry a knife? protection. until we make our communities feel safer and the environment that they feel scared in, we need to address that as much as we are addressing the education side so that when they do leave school, they are aware of the dangers. if they are going straight back into an area where they don‘t feel safe, it is ourjob to make sure our young people aren‘t feeling scared. combine everybody working together and we will hopefully not see the problem we have seen for the
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last five or ten years. raspect, did you use to carry a knife? yeah. what macro what made you stop? i am more protected. as i got older and i was out that direct situation of having to use my knife like the guy who has been stabbed nine times, i can't lie. whenl been stabbed nine times, i can't lie. when i got stabbed, that was one of the reasons why i knew i had to carry it in my situation. it's like, everyone can sit on these panels, but when you are actually in a situation and someone pulls it out, there are times when you have saved your life. you can't say that the kids. i am not saying to say that the kids. but if we don't come from a place of understanding, i come from a place of being from it, so now i can show them a different
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way. but you havejust so now i can show them a different way. but you have just told so now i can show them a different way. but you havejust told me so now i can show them a different way. but you have just told me that you had to carry a knife to protect yourself. that was my situation. this is what we are trying to say. you can't go to people who haven't beenin you can't go to people who haven't been in that situation. even the guy who has been stabbed, him getting stabbed was a one—off situation. if he lived on an estate where he was going to see those guys every day, his mentality might have been different, do you understand? we have to go to the people who relate. ifi have to go to the people who relate. if i was trying to which these children, i would go to my brothers, the people who have a social influence in our community. if you get them together, they are going to reach the youth were talking about instead of people who don't come from that area. these are people who do not carry knives now am like me. i don't carry a knife any more, but
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unless i can show them my point of relation, they are not going to hear me. let me bring in a deputy headteacher, andy dunne. so these lessons a re headteacher, andy dunne. so these lessons are going to be carried out in your school this week? we are not aware of those lessons being taught in our school, but we are being proactive about this and we were lessons like this already. we have a programme for young people to try and prevent them getting exposed to this world. for instance, this summer we have identified some vulnerable young people and we work with our excellent safer schools officers who are running a free police summer school all summer long. we are targeting young people in years seven, eight and nine, so 11—year—olds up to 15—year—olds, to try and keep them off the streets and educate them. how are you going to get them to go along in the summer holidays? because they are being incentivised by, believe it or
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not, getting a free bike each which has been given by the police. they are also incentivised by being taken on some fantastic trips to visit downing street, westminster. they are doing cooking skills and so on, anything to take them away from this temptation of violence. what you think about that, raspect? that will not reach any of the years i have been working with. there are been actual ceasefires, we have got jobs for them, we got one job and he didn't have any opportunities before, now he has a job in a juice shopin before, now he has a job in a juice shop in norwood. so i'm saying is we are going to reach these youths, downing street is not an incentive. bake is not an incentive, not to the youth i am talking about, do you
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understand? —— is bike is not an incentive. i would go back to the... i know, yeah, but the reason why... i‘m not dismissing you. you already told me about those guys earlier. the reason i have to emphasise that, these are the people in the community and to the youth that the user actually looking at and listening to already, do you know what i'm saying —— the youth are actually looking at and listening to. there is no one in downing street or the metropolitan police that can do it. as far as the youth are concerned, cops are either opps. in response to very difficult people in europe 11 who were drawn into a life of gangs and knife crime this year and we worked so hard with the police, social services, and with theirfamily, to police, social services, and with their family, to get them police, social services, and with theirfamily, to get them into police, social services, and with their family, to get them into their examinations and both those boys, having been missing for a year and a half, came back and completed their examinations this year, and the real key to all of this is working with
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the families, with the community and with the police, and getting community responses rather than just coming from the school. understood. congratulations, that is amazing actually. keep doing it thank you for telling us about that. will flint, thank you for coming on the programme, will flint who was stabbed 12 times last year. allison, thank you for coming on again. alison, whose son was stabbed to death in birmingham and raspect, gang member, thank you for coming on the programme. i know, you always say that... we have a statement from the home office. "the lessons are part of a 31 million ‘knife free‘ campaign." "it is one of 60 commitments. the wider strategy commits
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£40 million of new home office money over two years, 11 million of which will go into an early intervention youth fund to help communities steer young people away from violent crime. now the biggest event of the year for the aerospace industry, the farnborough airshow in hampshire, is happening today. about 100,000 trade visitors from 100 countries come along and the focus is on networking and doing deals. at the last airshow, in 2016, those deals were worth £95 billion. it‘s so important that a committee of mps have decided to hold their meeting at the airshow this morning, where 0ur correspondent aaron haslehurst is there for us now. so the treasury committee are meeting there at the moment? i know, go figure. they arejust meeting over there. good morning, everybody. 0f meeting over there. good morning, everybody. of course we had the prime minister theresa may here yesterday, and what all of the stars really is highlight the importance of aerospace, suddenly here in the uk, a £60 billion industry and 30 billion of that is exported. if you look globally, the numbers are staggering. $2.7 trillion, 63 millionjobs. that is staggering. $2.7 trillion, 63 million jobs. that is what this industry lands the global economy
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every year. i don‘t want to throw out too many numbers, but there‘s something to put into perspective. every single day of the year, there are 100,000 flights carrying 10 million people, and in the belly of those big things, £18.5 billion of goods. everything from our produce, flowers tablets, our medicines, it is staggering, and that is why it shows like this are so important. you mentioned the big deal, the amount of deals done back in 2016. they hope to top that this year, but when it comes to passengers, what a lot of us care about especially boarding a big bird like that, which isa boarding a big bird like that, which is a boeing 777, what we care about is a boeing 777, what we care about is in—flight entertainment and of course more and more aeroplanes are coming along with wi—fi. i spoke to the big boss of the french company who provide 70 airlines with in—flight entertainment and i asked him, with wi-fi in—flight entertainment and i asked him, with wi—fi now way the norm on board, which means we can use our
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ta blets board, which means we can use our tablets and phones to watch our raw material, doesn‘t eat into the traditional business of in—flight entertainment? have a listen to what he says... actually we see it as a complement, and the two go together. you have great experience with your screen and your seat, and then you can see in parallel the internet, check your social media, a bit like you do at home. you have your multiscreen experience. you watch tv, check your e—mail, and you can do it on the aircraft now. now, talking of aircraft, right behind you there is a 777, actually one of your customers — very nicely done there. you know, 300 plus passengers, on wi—fi — is that really going to work? yes, it will work. we are working hard to make it happen. obviously it needs the right technology, and for this we are working with the satellite providers, and actually to design and develop satellites. and in some cases like we do in the americas we have designed a satellite specifically for aviation connectivity. go on. why is everything such a big
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deal? why is it such a big deal? $2.7 trillion to the global economy every year, that‘s why it‘s such a big deal! looks, there is this show every two years, and in between that you have the paris airshow, and this is just with a big deals are announced. actually one big notice this year is a cargo, and i mentioned 18.5 billion bucks every day going into the belly of those planes but i was speaking to the big boss of boeing, and airbus has made some big announcements, too. but a cargo is a big indicator to our global economy and things are picking up —— air cargo. that‘s not to say they are not concerned with some ear wins and turbulence, they‘re being the ongoing battle with china —— air wins. they are keeping a very close eye on that. but things so far at the farnborough
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airshow are looking pretty rosy, victoria. thank you, aaron. always good to have you on the programme. next, we are going to india. "against the order of nature" is how section 377 of india‘s penal code describes gay sex. the law, which is a relic of british rule, outlaws homosexuality and puts it on a par with bestiality. now the country 5 supreme court is poised to repeal it, after india‘s conservative government signalled it wouldn‘t stand in the way. but will the removal of legislation — that is rarely enforced anyway — make much difference? joe miller reports from delhi. out, proud and eager to flaunt it. lawyers and chefs by day... by night, delhi‘s drag queens are challenging one of india‘s strongest social taboos. but this is a liberal middle—class oasis in a country that criminalises homosexuality. the whole idea is to
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be fearless, is to accept yourself. the more people come out with their own orientation and people who are comfortable in their own skin, the better it is for the whole community. on the city streets, being openly gay is still a risk. returning from a wedding late one night, this man, who asked not to be named, said he became a target. translation: a police officer stopped me, took my phone and noted down all my family contacts. he later asked for a bribe of 10,000 rupees, or else he would tell my family that i‘m gay. the law has become a tool for them to extort money. the bbc has spoken to three more gay men, who claimed they too were harassed, extorted or sexually abused by police officers who exploited india‘s ban
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on homosexuality. and it‘s many harrowing stories like those that activists hope will finally convince india‘s highest court to once and for all consign this colonial law to history. delhi police did not respond to requests for comment, yet a member of india‘s governing party says blackmail does occur, but lays the blame squarely on gay men. police officers come to know these things if somebody had celebrated it or made a proposition. but if it was kept absolutely private, the police officer wouldn‘t know. but why should the law have any say whatsoever about homosexuality? we don‘t want to have gay bars in our country. we don‘t want people of the same sex pretending as if this is normal behaviour. campaigners say such attitudes are hampering the fight against hiv, and fear of arrest leads to an underreporting of crimes witnessed by gay men. for them, a decision
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from india‘s topjudges can‘t come soon enough. nothing could be more bizarre than to be in the situation in this day and age. how can we deny our own people the rights that all of us take for granted in a democracy? once dismissed as a minuscule minority, lg bt people believe they are on the cusp of recognition in the eyes of the law. but they know in india, it‘s the verdict of the crowd that will matter most. an type in to comment on the north—west of england on august five. on facebook, melody says it is stupid. "if you have doug freeman to wash them if you can‘t get them in the bath? what about kids in the
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paddling pools? —— if you have doggeds, how are you meant to wash them? she says she would break it, it is pathetic —— if you have dogs. another one. reported a leak on a main road without success and it is still leaking. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. we will be back tomorrow at nine. good morning. for many of us another dry day with sunny spells. the sky exploding at the moment with cloud in greater london. look at those fabulous clouds, but the chance of showers in the forecast, in scotland, northern ireland, northern england as well, and then an isolated sherrock ross the midlands, but for most it is dry but a very different feeling day in south—east of england —— isolated shower. we
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will then continue with the fresher feel we had yesterday, about 19—23. through this evening and overnight many showers disappearing but they still could be a few lingering across the far north of scotland. temperatures overnight getting down to about 10—9d in the north, 14—16 in the south. wednesday‘s drive for most, just the odd shower here and there, but temperatures on the rise, thursday with that sunshine —— witness the‘s dry for most. you are either temperatures. bye—bye. —— wednesday will be dry for most. this is bbc news. these are the top stories
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developing at 11:00pm. theresa may faces another difficult day in parliament. she‘s denied her plan for brexit is "dead in the water" after narrowly avoiding defeat last night. brexit campaign group vote leave is referred to the police and fined £61,000 for exceeding spending limits in the run—up to the referendum. millions of people in the north of england will be affected by a hosepipe ban starting in august. it's it‘s one of those things. you can‘t have a good summer and have all the water as well. president trump faces a barrage of criticism at home, after defending russia over claims of interference in the 2016 elections. also coming up, more explosive activity from hawaii‘s kilauea volcano.

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