tv Victoria Derbyshire BBC News July 24, 2018 9:00am-11:01am BST
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hello, it's tuesday, it's 9am, i'm chloe tilley, welcome to the programme. at least 50 people are feared dead in wildfires burning near athens, as greece faces its worst fire crisis in more than a decade. according to the red cross, 26 bodies were found in the yard of one villa. people have been telling how they've fled the area. translation: thankfully, the sea was there and we went into the sea because the flames were chasing us all the way to the water. we'll keep you updated on this throughout the programme. why are more children being prescribed anti—depressa nts in england, scotland and northern ireland than three years ago, with the steepest rise among those aged 12 and under? we're talking to a gp and a teenager who's been been on anti—depressants since she was 15. if your child has been prescribed this kind of medication, do get in touch. and as passenger numbers continue to rise, we'll be finding out which are the most crowded trains in britain. figures are released in half an hour. get in touch with your commuter experiences and it's set to be another day
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of scorching temperatures. with records being broken and warnings given, we'll be discussing how to cope in the heatwave. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. greece is appealing for international help to tackle wildfires that are so far thought to have killed 50 people. have you recently been on holiday to the affected region near athens? or do you have friends or family there? do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about. use the hashtag #victorialive. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today...
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at least 50 people have died in forest fires in greece — dozens of them in a single village. more than 170 others have been injured. many people have been forced to abandon their homes close to the capital, athens. the greek government has asked other european countries for helicopters and additional firefighters to help tackle the fires. homes engulfed in flames on the outskirts of athens, as greece fights some of its worst forest fires for years. the death toll currently stands at over 50 but is expected to rise. over half of the fatalities are reported to have been discovered in the seaside report of —— resort of mati. prime minister alexis tsipras has declared a state of emergency and appealed for international help to combat the fires. translation: we will do whatever is possible, in order to control the fires. i'm very concerned at the outbreaks around athens. we will do whatever it takes.
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as the sun rises and the fires continue to burn, more bodies are expected to be discovered as evacuations by boat which began last night continue. police are searching for a boat with ten tourists on board, many say they had to jump into the sea to escape the flames. translation: what can i say? it's over. we are alive and that is what is important. translation: thankfully, the sea was there and we went into the sea, because the flames were chasing us, all the way to the water. it burned our backs and we jumped into the water. in the height of the tourist season, hundreds of firefighters are battling to control the blaze here. the smoke visible above the acropolis, as countries across the globe bake in soaring summer temperatures. injapan, more than 60 people are reported to have died in a record—breaking heatwave now into
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its third week. on monday, the country recorded its highest ever temperature. sweden is battling some of its worst forest fires for decades. with almost no rainfall since mid—may, an area twice the size of paris has already been destroyed. experts warn it will continue, with the potential for even higher temperatures towards the end of this week. let us get the latest with a correspondent at the new europe newspaper in athens. with us now is kostis geropoulos. bring us up—to—date with the situation on the ground. it has been a difficult morning after a difficult night. there are still six fires burning, one in south of athens, and there is a helicopter coming from cyprus, there are 60 firefighters, they are going to be here with a plane and spain has
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pledged to send two firefighting planes. also, there are pockets of fire and it is creating its own microclimate which is a concern because now the wind has subsided, but the fear is the wind may get stronger again this afternoon. on the other hand, it is a cloudy sky, the other hand, it is a cloudy sky, the smoke is not visible anymore, it is not anywhere near where it was yesterday when we had the yellow smoke all over the downtown area, even south of athens. today the smell of the smoke is still very much in the air. now the process is going on forfinding missing people and there has been a pledge for relatives to report them as quickly
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as possible because there are still concerns there might be still people out there that need to be found. also, the number of wounded, lost count, 156 people, 11 in critical condition on life—support —— last count. hopefully, the death toll will not rise, but there are serious concerns. i wanted to ask you that, in the last hour, we now know around 50 people are thought to have died and there must be real concerns that the number could get higher. yeah, a group of people found on the plot of land where they were trying to get away from the fire and they were trapped, they didn't make it. that considerably rose the death toll from when we spoke early this morning. it is an ongoing battle.
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the conditions have improved. sadly, they are more prepared than yesterday, but it is still an ongoing fight against the fires. thank you so much for updating us, speaking to us from athens. a correspondent at the new europe newspaper in athens. we will track that story this morning. ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. people are being warned to stay out of the midday sun today as most of the uk swelters in heatwave conditions. a level—three heat alert is in place for much of east and south—east england. yesterday was the hottest day of the year so far in suffolk, as ricky boleto reports. this is britain, baked. from the air, it's easy to see how one of the driest summers on record continues to leave its mark.
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for many, this dry weather has shifted from being fun to being potentially dangerous. in the south—east of england, temperatures topped 30 degrees yesterday, making the daily commute uncomfortable. struggling. even, like, we've got a meeting just now. but we had to escape the office. we don't have air con. it's broken. the tube, you know, it's not pleasant to get to work. it was good for the first five days. and then, i think, after that, everyone hasjust gone a bit loopy now with it. even the capital's pollution monitors, which detect the air quality in london, stopped working properly. divers in penzance caught 20 blue sharks on camera. it's thought warmer waters are attracting them to the area. and in dorset, rescuers spent the day moving thousands of fish from a river which is drying up, fast. this level—three amber heatwave warning from the met office will stay in place for parts of england until later this week.
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the advice is sensible — stay out of the sun during peak times, keep homes as cool as possible, and check up on family and friends. ricky boleto, bbc news. the former archbishop of canterbury, george carey, is to be cross—examined for the first time about his role in the alleged cover up of sexual abuse by the disgraced church of england bishop, peter ball. lord carey will give evidence to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, which is examining how the former bishop of gloucester managed to evade justice for more than 20 years. the department for transport will release figures this morning showing which train services in the uk are the most overcrowded. the data is based on rail passenger counts provided by train operating companies and is intended to monitor crowding levels. the government requires rail companies to use the information
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to plan timetables in a way that reduces over—crowding. millions of so—called "just about managing" families are no better off today than they were 15 years ago, according to research from the resolution foundation. the not—for—profit social—policy think tank estimates that middle and low—income families were £100 worse off last year than they were in 2003. it also estimates child poverty has increased by 3%. the use of anti—depressants for children is on the rise. in the past three years, 950,000 prescriptions were handed out in england, scotland and northern ireland. children, aged 12 and under, saw the largest increase of 24%. our reporter paul connelly has more. anti—depressants can have a powerful and often positive impact for people suffering from mental health issues, and a bbc investigation conducted by radio 4's file on 4 has discovered that in britain,
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more children than ever before are being prescribed the drugs. the figures were obtained by freedom of information requests and relate to a group of anti—depressants known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or ssris. they show that, in england, over the past three years, there was a 15% rise in the number of these anti—depressants prescribed to under—18s. in scotland, there was a 10% rise. whilst in northern ireland, the number rose by 6%. and there were 950,000 prescription items between april, 2015, and march, 2018. this is a very stressful time for young people. with the pressures of social media and some of the very distressing news articles around at the moment, we need to remember that young people have a lot of pressures on their wellbeing and it's actually a very positive thing, if young people are stepping forward and asking for help with their mental health.
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the department of health in england say they've pledged £1.7 billion to transform child and adolescent mental health services, whilst both northern ireland and scotland say it is a priority issue and they're increasing funding. paul connelly, bbc news. a million public sector workers are expected to get a pay rise in the biggest round of wage hikes for nearly a decade. teachers, doctors, police and prison officers could receive as much as a 3.5% increase. the salary boost will be annouced later and will be paid for by individual departments rather than the treasury. north korea appears to have begun dismantling a key rocket launch site in the country's north west. satellite images seen by a us monitoring group suggest the pyongyang regime is complying with a denuclearisation promise made to president trump in talks injune. members of the thai youth football team,
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who were trapped underground for two weeks before being rescued, are to begin the process of becoming temporary buddhist monks. later today, the boys will have their heads shaved before spending nine days in a monastery. they'll be joined by their coach for meditation and prayer to cleanse their souls and thank those who helped to free them. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 9:30am. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport. hugh ferris is at the bbc sport centre. let us talk about mesut ozil, arsenal player, significant and escalating row with the german fa? you are right. retired from international football with a scathing attack on his country's
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football association. they have responded emphatically by denying the arsenal player's claims of racism and this respect. he did not play very well at the world cup, that was clear to see, but he has become something of a scapegoat for the german team's failure. the problem started before the world cup, this meeting with the turkish prime minister is a burden was hugely controversial because of his controversy throughout europe —— the turkish prime minister, prime minister erdogan. ozil was born in germany but his grandparents are turkish. he insists he wasn't making a political statement, just respecting his roots. he's received hate mail and threatening phone calls. he decided to retire from international football. the german fa still want an explanation for the meeting but stressed their integration work was of central importance. he isa he is a player who has won 92 caps, w011 he is a player who has won 92 caps, won the world cup in 2014 as well.
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the footballer session say they regret him departing the national team. he has had a lot of support on social media since announcing his retirement. but not everyone has been that kind. the president of bayern munich had this to say. i am glad that the care is over. he had been playing dirt for years. the literal translation is a lot stronger! he last won a tackle before the 2014 world cup. and now he and his dirt performance hide beyond this picture. from a sporting point of view, ozil has no place in the national team for years. ijust wonder what will i just wonder what will happen the next time someone of turkish background, we have lots of them in germany of course, especially in football, 20% of youngsters have some migratory background in germany, the next time someone has the opportunity to play for germany
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01’ the opportunity to play for germany or the country of their ancestors? will they think, i will be subject to that criticism, i will be scapegoated, reduced to my otherness, it is a very serious question that no one in the german fa has so far seriously contemplated. mesut ozil has often been a divisive character and that division has been laid bare since his international retirement. the tour de france, massive week the two british riders. fascinating. not often the person in second place says it's the dream position. team sky riders numbers one and two in the general classification ahead of stage 16 today. not four—time champion froome, but geraint thomas. the gap is pretty significant at this stage, one minute 39 seconds. the way that teams work is that the leader's attempts to win the yellow jersey are supported. what do you do when there are two
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potential winners and two leaders? chris froome would northerly be the quy chris froome would northerly be the guy for team sky —— normally be the quy- but he had to yield to bradley wiggins in 2012. so there's a big question mark. froome insists, though, there's no rivalry. they are good friends. it's quite funny because everyone's so keen to try to talk up this rivalry between myself and g but itjust doesn't exist. we're not looking at each other as rivals, we're looking at the other guys, the guys in third and fourth and fifth, they're the ones that could put us under pressure, but between us, itjust doesn't exist like that. stage 16 today, the pyrenees tomorrow. we have also got to talk about the spot of bother one of the world's best all—time swimmers has got himself into, foolish, really. i would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky photo that i took myself
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and shared on social media. ryan lochte has won 12 olympic medals. one of the most successful swimmers in olympic history. not the first time he's in trouble of his own making. developed a bit of a reputation. given a 14—month ban after posting this picture of him and his wife receiving intravenous infusions. you're not allowed to have more than 100 millilitres of fluid via a drip in a 12—hour period. he is in trouble. he was the swimmer at rio 2016 who invented a story about being robbed at gunpoint during the olympics to cover for a drunken night out with three team—mates. given that he'd put the picture out, understandable that he has accepted the ban. he is not able to compete in the us championships next week. that's all the sport for now. speak to you throughout the morning. the use of anti—depressants
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for children is on the rise. in the past three years, 950,000 prescriptions were handed out in england, scotland and northern ireland. children, aged 12 and under, saw the largest increase of 24%. let's talk now to gp dr philippa kaye, nicky romero whose daughter becky took her own life last year after being prescribed anti—depressa nts, and 17—year—old georgia carpenter who started taking anti—depressants two years ago. thank you forjoining us. nicky, i wa nt to thank you forjoining us. nicky, i want to start speaking to you, tell us want to start speaking to you, tell us first of all a little bit about your daughter, becky is jim us first of all a little bit about your daughter, becky isjim at becky was very quiet and shy, extremely shy. -- your daughter, becky? she got bullied. the outcome was her anxiety got bullied. the outcome was her a nxiety levels got bullied. the outcome was her anxiety levels and depression got really bad, which eventually, as she
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got older, it turned into self harm and self—hatred. then attempted suicide. and she did try a number of times, didn't she, to take her own life? i know she received treatment locally through camhs, the child and adolescent mental health services, she was admitted residentially at a place in bournemouth forfour weeks, how did that work for her? we finally thought we would get some help and she did not want to go but she knew it was the right thing to do, so she went, first time she has ever been away from home, she was scared, but she went because she wa nted scared, but she went because she wanted to get better. she stayed there for four weeks. then they put her on fluoxetine which we know is prozac basically repackaged, then they sent her home, after being on they sent her home, after being on the tablets for three days. and she
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took her own life. nicky, where you consulted before she was put on the antidepressants? were you involved in any of those decisions? yeah, i was told that she would have cognitive behavioural therapy alongside the medication and that if there were any side effects or any worries, she would be able to have diazepam to keep her calm and keep those tablets going. and none of that happened. so you felt very much that happened. so you felt very much that when she came home three days after being put on the antidepressants, you were kind of left on your own, you were supporting your daughter and there was no help support —— health support? there was nothing at all. we had a visit from a social worker and out workers but no medical staff, no one came to see her even
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though i told the psychiatrist on the 14th july, at the discharge meeting, that she was having side—effects, suicidal thoughts. with no reason. she was saying, i think it is the medication messing with my head and my emotions. for such a calm, quiet, placid girl, suddenly she was very agitated and very out of character, moving around a lot, fidgety, it was not in her nature. she was a bit of a lazy teenager. suddenly, she was bouncing off the walls. she hurt herself really badly. i told the psychiatrist, it was brushed off, we expected that to happen, his quote was, it is very rare they go on to commit suicide. stay with us. i want to introduce you to a doctor and georgia with me in the studio. it is so georgia with me in the studio. it is so distressing to hear nikki's
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experience and the trauma becky was clearly going through, tell me why you think doctors are prescribing more antidepressants to underratings and particularly 12 and under?” more antidepressants to underratings and particularly 12 and under? i am terribly sorry for your loss and it was a terrible tragedy. a big study that came out recently showed one in four children are having some mental health issue and some of the rise will be related to the fact people are better able to come forward and offer help and it is a good thing. lack of stigma? absolutely. we need to keep talking, it is a hidden illness. it is great people who need help coming forward to ask for it. that is a potential reason. that other thing is we know the numbers but we do not know the reasons for the prescriptions. we use antidepressants for lots of different things, for pain, to treat urinary incontinence in children, so
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we know they are on the rise, but we need to look further at the data to find out why. this particular piece of research was talking about gp prescriptions on the rise the antidepressants and this is the bit thatis antidepressants and this is the bit that is important, the national institute the clinical excellent who set the guidance in this country recommend antidepressants for young people are prescribed by specialists but the issue we think is happening is the weight to access camhs is so long that children are being left in despair and that is potentially one of the reasons for the increase. despair and that is potentially one of the reasons for the increaselj can of the reasons for the increase.” can see you nodding away with some of what is being discussed, georgia. you started having a few problems with mental health issues at around 12 and then at 14, it really started to become unbearable for you? definitely. started from the age of 11,i definitely. started from the age of 11, iwent definitely. started from the age of 11, i went off the rails, definitely. started from the age of 11, iwent off the rails, i definitely. started from the age of
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11, i went off the rails, i was quite rebellious as a child, growing up quite rebellious as a child, growing up was not difficult, i grew up in a council flat in kent, parents split up council flat in kent, parents split up at an early age, quite a lonely childhood, really. ispent up at an early age, quite a lonely childhood, really. i spent a lot of time playing on my own, by myself. my mental health got bad around the age of 11 and then i went to go and see specialists for it at the gp when i was about 12 and they kind of just said, you know, she is going to hormonal stages, she will be fine. that wasjust kind of brushed off and that is when things got really bad and they escalated. you could say it was a misdiagnosis, they kind of semi—away and said, she hasjust got hormonal problems —— they kind of sent me away. that was the main
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pa rt of sent me away. that was the main part where things escalated and got bad. so you were put on antidepressants, how old were you?” was about 15. i am still taking them, 40 mg daily. i have been taking them definitely over a year how. taking them definitely over a year now. personally, ido taking them definitely over a year now. personally, i do not think... the way forward, it is a shame to see such a high percentage. what do the antidepressants do for you? both positively and possibly more negatively? when i first started taking the medication, it was kind ofa taking the medication, it was kind of a relief, i suppose it was one kind of therapy, it might shift my mood. really, iwas
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kind of therapy, it might shift my mood. really, i was taking kind of therapy, it might shift my mood. really, iwas taking it kind of therapy, it might shift my mood. really, i was taking it and sometimes i could be really happy, really smiley and just a completely different person, and other times, i could kind of go downhill, i would be quite isolated, i would not speak to anyone, i was very quiet. that we nt to anyone, i was very quiet. that went on for a very long time. it kind of felt like things were getting better in a wave, but not fully improving my mood. it was more a feeling of numbness. antidepressants are not a quick fix, not a magic pill that make everything better very quickly. we need to use them especially in children but in adults as well in combination with talking therapies. they are better at some things, taking away what we call the biological symptoms, difficulties with sleep and energy and memory, concentration. it is better at that than thinking the negative thinking
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and that is why we need the combination together. what would you say needs to change, nicky to help other young people going forward? it is good young people are saying, i need help, but what helped do you think they need? i think when the children are brave enough to come out and say, i have got these problems, i do need help, i think they need to get that help. and to be closely monitored. in becky's case, she was not monitored. looking at the nice macro guidelines, she should have been checked face—to—face at least once a week —— looking at the nice guidelines. every time she went to the camhs services, it was more talking therapy and cheese to say, i have had enough, i do not want to talk about the bullying, i want to move on “— about the bullying, i want to move on —— and she used to say. cbt therapist would have been perfect but she never got the chance to get
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them and she was under camhs for a couple of years, plenty of opportunity to have those. there is also an issue of the gap between children and services. children finishes at 16, adult begins at 18, georgia, you are in the middle? some parts of the country, it goes to 18, in lots of parts, to 16. if someone comes to me at 17.5 and i have a six—month wait, i cannot refer them to camhs, they will reject the referral, i cannot refer to adult mental health because they are under 18, alli mental health because they are under 18, all i have at that point is whatever can get from school and counselling and other charities and myself to sort of hold them and that is what gps are doing, holding a lot of this in the community, waiting until the time comes when we can refer. this message from twitter, i am 26, on antidepressants since 12, over half of my life on these drugs,
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the truth as it was necessary. perhaps if the bullying was not so bad, i would perhaps if the bullying was not so bad, iwould not perhaps if the bullying was not so bad, i would not have needed it, but all i know is that without them, i would likely be dead. thank you for getting in touch. final thought, georgia. are you happy being on antidepressants? would you rather be offered other things as well or instead offered other things as well or i nstea d of? offered other things as well or instead of? it varies for every person. people will adapt differently to different types of therapy. personally, i have had counselling, social workers, you name it. honestly, none of that really helps me, itjust allows me to speak my feelings and my emotions. drug therapy was not, i suppose, the way forward, but it was necessary , suppose, the way forward, but it was necessary, i feel, it suppose, the way forward, but it was necessary, ifeel, it made things suppose, the way forward, but it was necessary, i feel, it made things a bit more manageable and easier to cope with, things that were going on
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in my life at that time. i think it was necessary, but it is not the way forward and i would not say antidepressants made me happy, i have had to do that for myself, in myself, to actually change, to be better. i want to give that message out there, antidepressants or not the way forward, it is different for every person. thank you. i am sorry we have had to speak to you under such sad circumstances, nicky. and if this has brought up any issues for you when it comes to depression — you can find a list of helplines that can offer you support and advice at bbc.co.uk/actionline. still to come... new passenger figures are out today. we'll be finding out what are the most overcrowded train services in the country. as the scorching summer continues the met office has now put out an amber "heat health watch" out.
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we'll be finding out how to keep yourself self safe as the heat wave continues time for the latest news — here's ben brown. at least 50 people have been killed in greece as wildfires continue to ravage coastal towns and holiday resorts near athens. the deaths include the discovery of 26 bodies at a villa at the seaside resort of mati. more bodies have been found at sea, as people have taken to the water to escape the flames. boats and helicopters are being used to try to rescue those cornered by the fires. japan's weather agency has declared a heatwave sweeping the country is now a natural disaster, with at least 65 deaths recorded in the past week. officials warn that "unprecedented levels of heat" were being seen in some areas. more than 22,000 people have been admitted to hospital with heat stroke. the japan meteorological agency warned that temperatures of 35c or higher would continue until early august. meanwhile, people here
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are being warned to stay out of the midday sun today as most of the uk swelters in heatwave conditions. a level three heat alert is in place for much of east and south east of england, which saw the hottest day of the year yesterday in suffolk, where the temperature reached 33.3 celcius. the met office says the first half of this summer is the driest since 1961. the former archbishop of canterbury, george carey, is to be cross—examined for the first time about his role in the alleged cover up of sexual abuse by the disgraced church of england bishop, peter ball. lord carey will give evidence to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, which is examining how the former bishop of gloucester managed to evade justice for more than 20 years. a million public sector workers are expected to get a pay rise in the biggest round of wage hikes for nearly a decade.
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teachers, doctors, police and prison officers could receive as much as a 3.5% increase. the salary boost will be annouced later and will be paid for by individual departments rather than the treasury. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with hugh. the german football association say they emphatically reject mesut ozil's claims of " racism and disrespect" that the arsenal player made following his international retirement, which the dfb insist they regret after going out of the world cup at the group stage. the tour de france resumes today after its final rest day... and the question that'll need to be answered: thomas or froome. the two british riders... ahead of stage 16 today. izzy christiansen has moved from manchester city women to lyon in france for a british record fee. the england international joins lucy bronze at the championa lseague winners.
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12 time olympic medallist ryan lochte is banned for 14 months after being pictured on an iv drip. he took the photo himself and shared it on social media. that's all the sport for now. a few moments ago we were speaking to nicky romero, whose daughter becky took her own life when she was 15 years old when she was on antidepressants. i want to bring you this statement which we have from... the dorset health care university foundation trust. it is important we bring this to you they say: there is a shortage of camhs beds nationally, the consequence of which is that young people like becky have to be admitted to hospital wards a long way from their home. becky was 80 miles from her family, friends and social networks. becky was making progress towards her recovery and wanted to go home to be with herfamily and dog. becky left pebble lodge initially
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on a period of supervised leave so that she could be with her family. during this time, arrangements were made for her care to be transferred back to the local mental health team so that she could be cared for closer to home. sadly, the arrangements to support her should have been better when professional responsibility for her care was transferred between the two nhs trusts. in the last few minutes, the department for transport has released its annual figures showing which train services in the uk are the most overcrowded. fiona trott is at leeds train station. she can tell us what the worst places. the figures have just been published. they give us a snapshot of what was happening at train stations up and down the country at peak times last autumn. what we are
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hearing from the department for transport is that passenger numbers have fallen in places like leaves, liverpool, london and manchester —— places like leeds. the most crowded rail stations was in london, the worst was king's cross and outside london, the most crowded station was cambridge followed by manchester and then birmingham and then here at leeds. i asked commuters here this morning what the experience was like for them. it's not so good at the moment because of all the problems around manchester. which makes things worse. dare i say it, coupled, because i'm going down to birmingham, with the fact that they are digging up the train lines at derby. whilst they have got the timetabling changes. it's just derby. whilst they have got the timetabling changes. it'sjust all come together terribly badly. timetabling changes. it'sjust all come together terribly badlym timetabling changes. it'sjust all come together terribly badly. it can be quite crowded, it's hard to get past sometimes, especially as there's one person, you got to get through the gaps. otherwise it's
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great! does it frustrates you? a little bit but you tend to get used to it, especially in leeds is quite a busy city. itjust depends on rush—hour sometimes. it does. especially if there's an accident in doncaster, then we get trains delayed. other than that, doncaster, then we get trains delayed. otherthan that, it's doncaster, then we get trains delayed. other than that, it's fine. the station is a bit crowded. the trains are a lot worse than the station to be honest. the station is the least of my worries! because of hs two, this station is going to get more crowded in future and that's why £500 million is going to be spent on upgrading it. —— because of hs2. thank you, more on that throughout the programme. the bbc understands that the government is set to announce wage increases for about one million workers in the public sector. last year, theresa may announced plans to lift the 1% cap, in place since 2013, but deals were only confirmed for some nhs workers, prison staff and police. other professions, including the armed forces, teachers and doctors are now expected to see an increase. we can speak to our assistant
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political editor norman smith who is at our westminster studio. guide us through this, what sort of pay rises are we looking at? we haven't got the nitty—gritty details yet but we are told around 1 million public sector workers, talking about people like teachers, those in the armed forces, prison officers, police. they will get a pay rise of up police. they will get a pay rise of up to 3.5%. they are not all going to get 3.5% at most of them, to be honest, will get quite a bit less than that. but that is the scale of rise they will get. it signals an end, the formal rip notice for the public sector pay cap, which, as we know, has been in place now for seven yea rs. know, has been in place now for seven years. when public sector workers have seen their pay only increasing by around 1% per year.
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now they get this larger increase. we will get the nitty—gritty —— nitty—gritty details later on. in government circles they have said that people have basically reached the outer limits of austerity, the view is that people are just not going to put up with more years of tight to pay restraint. it was scheduled to go right on until 2020. there is a concern in many professions, particularly teaching profession, but recruitment, being able to get in enough staff. if you are not paying a decent amount, that makes the whole situation worse. the key wrinkle in all this is where does the money come from? as i understand it, the money is going to have to come from existing budgets. the treasury is not going to cough up the treasury is not going to cough up more cash to fund these pay increases. individual departments are going to have to find the money themselves. schools will have to find the money from within their own budgets, prison governors will have to find the money from within their own budgets. i suspect there will be
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quite a lot of criticism that this isn't being funded centrally by the treasury. is this going to satisfy union bosses, who, for so long have been saying not only do they need to have increases now but they need to be backdated but, because so many workers have been struggling. that's absolutely right. the level at which people's pay in real terms has decreased over the last seven years of the pay cap is way more than this possible increase of up to 3.5%. and some people today may not even get the current rate of inflation of 2.3% orjust the current rate of inflation of 2.3% or just above the current rate of inflation of 2.3% orjust above it. people are still going to be significantly out of pocket, compared to where they we re of pocket, compared to where they were back in 2010. there's not going to be any sudden massive injection to be any sudden massive injection to enable them to catch up. the one area where they might have differences is in particular areas. we saw this with the nhs last year, some staff who thought there were
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acute shortages, they got massive increases. some increases of up to 2996 increases. some increases of up to 29% over three years. there may be a few areas where they get much bigger increases. but there is not going to be able to catch up increase across the board. if people are watching at home and saying, go, you are saying that this money is coming from existing budgets, the treasury isn't dipping into its pockets, does that ultimately mean services are going to have to be cut in order to pay for these pay rises? that will be the accusation. ministers are saying they believe there is still underspending, which they can use. so the budgets which haven't fully been exhausted. they can tap into that. of course, there will be further pressure on existing services, that seems to be very hard to avoid if the money is going to have to be found from within existing budgets. we know organisations by the institute for fiscal studies have been warning that basically, all the easy cuts to public services have now been done.
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and if you are looking to further trim back and make further savings, it's very hard to find significant areas where you can make that sort of savings without really impinging on the level of public services that can be provided. thank you. norman smith from westminster. coming up... forest fires have killed at least 50 and left more than 170 than 170 injured in greece — we'll be keeping you up to date with the latest on the fires in greece. it's set to be another day of scorching temperatures in much of the uk. temperatures overnight reached 24 degrees in some areas — making it very hard to sleep. and yesterday was a record—breaking day, with suffolk recording the hottest day of the year. a level three "heat health watch" alert is still in place for much of the east and south—east of england, with the met office urging people to stay out of the midday sun this week. from pizza chefs to nurses, priests to labourers, bbc viewers have been in touch to share their experiences of what it is like to wear a uniform in hot weather — and shared their top tips for keeping cool.
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beverley‘s tweeted "nurses! uncomfortable polyester tunics and trousers. lace up shoes with socks. no air con in nhs wards. rubber gloves and plastic pinnies.... you try keeping cool while doing a dressing in that get—up. @emsk tweeted: "i'm a nurse and my husband is a police officer. as soon as we come in from work it's straight to the shower. and she offered this tip: "in fact, today our female staff took to filling gloves with ice and shoving them in our bras." and leicester fire and rescue service tweeted: "we might know a few people whose job requires them to wear protective uniform whatever the weather! we're not sure there's any way to stay cool in a fire, but hydration is key for our crews to stay fit and well — especially in this heat!" i'm joined by our weather presenter matt taylor. it was the hottest day of the year yesterday, wasn't it? record—breaking. the hottest day of
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the year, not broken all—time records but yesterday was a scorcher across the uk. a subject dividing the nation between those who are loving it and loathing it. yesterday in suffolk we saw 33 degrees in sa nton downham. in suffolk we saw 33 degrees in santon downham. night—time temperatures phenomenal, not dropping below 20 degrees in some spots in the east. we need tips on how to stay cool. someone said to put water in front of a fan but i'm not sure that is necessarily a good idea. we won't... let's not do that. how does this summer compare to others? you say it's not the hottest on record. not yet. compared to 76, it is not the same intensity people what we are seeing is the driest start to the summer in uk on record. as modern—day records go back to about 1961. the problem with 1976, that dry summer was also preceded by months upon months of below average rainfall. this was kept on dropping down and added on the extra heat, 15 consecutive days above 32 degrees. we hadn't seen that quite yet. as
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pa rt we hadn't seen that quite yet. as part of england actually still on course for their hottestjuly on record. either way, it course for their hottestjuly on record. eitherway, it will go course for their hottestjuly on record. either way, it will go down in the metrological annuals. record. either way, it will go down in the metrological annualsm record. either way, it will go down in the metrological annuals. it is not just us in the metrological annuals. it is notjust us in the uk. what about around the world — i hear it's even hot in sweden? sweden have wildfires. we reported the problems in greece as well. we have been seeing the same condition is not just have been seeing the same condition is notjust in the northern hemisphere, in europe but right across the northern hemisphere. japan have seen their highest temperatures ever recorded. we have seen potentially the hottest ever temperature in africa recorded in the last few weeks and in scandinavia, temperatures in the arctic circle getting above levels we have never seen before. that has set off all those wildfires which have caused problems. i'm reading a message which hasjeanette in e—mail "come to the lake district, we have had rain for "come to the lake district, we have had rainfora "come to the lake district, we have had rain for a few days now, more to come and we are having a hosepipe ban in the beginning of august. we are the wettest area and yet we are having a ban, which is really annoying. we have a lovely weather for a few weeks, a relief to get it
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cool but we're not all basking in the sun". you know that anyway. hosepipe ban and then the rain arrived. northern and western areas down to where they should be for this time of year that eastern errors, the heat is not letting up at all the way until friday. people are going to want to know, particularly kids on school holidays, are we looking at this kind of weather throughout the whole of august? it's a difficult one to say. i won't hold you to it. we generally go five days ahead but the patterns are so static, nothing will change things drastically in the atmosphere. thejet change things drastically in the atmosphere. the jet stream change things drastically in the atmosphere. thejet stream is change things drastically in the atmosphere. the jet stream is a meandering mess at the moment, fairly weak. if you think of it as a superhighway for weather systems, the straight it is, like madonna, develops with assistance pushes it along, mix weather patterns are but at the moment, it is a meandering trekked stream. you get a road blocks on it, that is what we have got, i pressure is close by. likely to play a part in the best of summer. it may call down a bit this
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week for part of the east but the signs are that temperatures could rise a bit next week —— cool down. the hot weather is never going to be too far away for the time being. we will be back for a proper forecast in the next few minutes. let's speak now to patricia yates who is the director of visit britain. professor kamila hawthorne is the vice chair of the royal college of gps, and rachel lund from the british retail consortium. thank you so much for coming in. let's talk our way through this heatwave. some people are pretty fed up heatwave. some people are pretty fed up with it and others are basking in it. kamila, what can we do that is not blatantly obvious to stay safe in the sun or is it blatantly obvious? a lot of it is common sense. we know that the sun damages skin and too much time in the sun, particularly with unprotected skin, is not only going to cause sunburn in the short—term, but ageing in the medium to long term. it does damage
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your skin. it increases your risk of developing skin cancer is in the longer term. you were sitting in front of an unbranded bottle of sun cream i might add. demonstrate, i was astounded when i read this morning how much we are meant to use to stay safe. i think most people are not using enough sunscreen. when they apply it. the rule of thumb should be... the rule of arms and legs, you should use a whole teaspoonful if i can squeeze it out... one teaspoon for one arm, one teaspoon for the other, one teaspoon for your leg. i will leave these mugs out of the way. and then one teaspoon in front, one teaspoon in black and then the last teaspoon, the seventh teaspoon is for your face and the back of your neck and front of your neck. how much is that? seven teaspoons. probably more like that. that is for an adult.
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wow. most people are probably only using half of that. of course, you've got to remember to reapply it every two hours because you sweat and it rubs off on your clothes. and you lose the protection. when you get some of these brands that say it is all day long, is that nonsense? it is to some extent. the advice is that you should be replacing it every two hours. that is really quite expensive. some cream is expensive, isn't it? it depends on what you mean by expensive. expensive, isn't it? it depends on what you mean by expensivem expensive, isn't it? it depends on what you mean by expensive. if you are reapplying that much every two alice on a family of four... you are getting through it. do that much every two hours. but you also preserving your children's skin. you really shouldn't be out in the sun all day, every day. if you behave like people in the mediterranean or in hotter climates do, you really are out in the early morning and late evening. and in the middle of the day, new stay in the shade. which is sensible. presumably, older people, small children are most at
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risk during this heatwave? -- you stay in the shade. they are because they are the most vulnerable and people with chronic illnesses, diabetes, asthma and chronic obstructive airways disease, people with heart trouble. they are more likely to suffer from the heat as much as from the sun. really, i would advise that at this time we should be aware of what is going on in our communities. the aware of our neighbours. pop round and see somebody, if you think they may be more vulnerable perhaps when you are, to check that they are all right, that they have enough water. and that they are feeling 0k. surprisingly, i was reading that there is a lowest temperature at which you are not allowed to go to work. if it gets beneath a certain temperature but there is no maximum temperature but there is no maximum temperature in this country. so many people work in shops on all sorts of places that don't have air conditioning, even schools. places that don't have air conditioning, even schoolsm places that don't have air conditioning, even schools. it is a really difficult time for people. again, this is something you should be discussing with your line manager, if you feel the temperature is getting too hot and you are not able to work. heat exhaustion is
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certainly something that may be affecting people who are having to wear heavy clothing and working in hot environments. the sort of thing to look out for is if you are starting to feel giddy. if you straighten up or feeling a bit nauseous. that is a sign that perhaps you are getting a bit dehydrated. it's a really, really important to drink and drink plenty. i know that we are meant to drink a lot of water anyway wavered on a hot day, how much water should an adult be drinking? —— on a hot day. day, how much water should an adult be drinking? -- on a hot day. you really ought to be drinking about half a glass of water every hour or so, every couple of albums. it's drinking little and often, rather than having one huge drink at lunch i bought it and —— every couple of hours. thank you. thank you. stay with us. rachel, from the british retail consortium. rachel, what are people buying in this heatwave? presumably ice cream and lollies and things like that for a start. sort of things you might think about
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yourself. people are buying out stalkers, they buy things to go for picnics and have barbecues —— outdoor things. picnics and have barbecues —— outdoorthings. swimsuits picnics and have barbecues —— outdoor things. swimsuits and paddling pools. what we tend to see is that at the beginning of the summerand geta is that at the beginning of the summer and get a big surge of people buying those sorts of goods. we are now quite well into the summer. demand for summer products is starting to wane a little bit. demand for summer products is starting to wane a little bitm must be a real nightmare for people who are having to plan in the retail sector month ahead. i'm not aware that anyone planned this heatwave for this period of time. absolutely. retailers in some cases will be thinking about. 18 months in advance, what they are going to sell and when. it is extremely tricky. we are now heading into the period where retailers tend to start thinking about their autumn — winter ranges. now looks like this weather is staying for a while, that will be really tricky. i went to a shop the other day and they were putting out autumn and! other day and they were putting out autumn and i felt sorry for them, i thought the one that is going to buy
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that my now? it is a big challenge and we will have to see at the end of august, with a retailers will start seeing any sales. we may see that automatic winter period, bit later this year. —— autumn and winter period. there is a potential with food, there was talk yesterday of farmers, particularly dairy farmers having real problems, there is no good grass for their cows. some farmers are saying crops have been affected and they are taking august off and going on holiday. is that going to kick on into what we are getting in shops and price increases? globalfood are getting in shops and price increases? global food supply is quite complicated because it depends on prices all around the world which affect domestic markets as well. there is quite a lot of dynamics going on there. we have seen across the world prices go up over the last few months. that is putting upward pressure on inflation. however, food price inflation is still relatively low by historical standards. we don't expect to see a massive picked
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up don't expect to see a massive picked up in that. patricia, let's talk about the impact on tourism. when there is a heatwave like this does it mean more people flock to the uk or steakfor it mean more people flock to the uk or steak for holidays? in many ways the heatwave has come at just the rightjust before the heatwave has come at just the right just before schools the heatwave has come at just the rightjust before schools rake up. people who book later, which is the trend, think i might go overseas, i can stay at home and have a great time —— schools break up. you can see a big rise in domestic and we are hearing from locations around the uk, yorkshire, talking about their holiday industry at 20—25%. a real, immediate impact. inbound, if not more difficult tojudge because people tend to have that little weight in advance. we can see that bookings look really good. —— a little bit in advance. inbound tourism is important to us, £24 billion, one of our great export sectors. the indications are good
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that a good summer, we can make sure we drive business through to christmas. i'm less likely to get a bargain in the uk if the weather is good? i bargain in the uk if the weather is good ? i know bargain in the uk if the weather is good? i know that sounds ridiculous but if it's a bit of a rubbish summer, sometimes you can pick up a bargain for summer, sometimes you can pick up a bargainfora summer, sometimes you can pick up a bargain for a domestic holiday.” was looking yesterday and i can still see hotels trying to match demand in getting their prices down, even in august. what is so much easier for consumers is that you can look across prices, there's loads of comparison websites, so you can go around anderson we can get a deal still. there are still places that have availability —— go around and look where you can get. perhaps not the hotspots but go away from there and there are still places available in august. lots of people getting in touch with us and surprisingly. "her top tip is still a hot water bag with tap water, freeze it and it will help you remain cool". i heard someone say that it does work. that
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is one tactic. i feel really sorry for your dad, he is an engineer and his workshop is currently 43 degrees. due to the nature of the work he can't open many doors or have any air con. he definitely needs to drink a lot of water. thank you. very grateful for your time this morning. let's get the latest weather update with matt taylor. advising us on how to be sensible in the sunshine. yes. let's get a reminder of what we saw yesterday, 33 degrees across parts of eastern england at santon downham in suffolk. we could see that temperature actually beaten as we go through the next couple of days as the it remains in place. eastern areas, up from the south adding to the humidity. it is a good deal more co mforta ble the humidity. it is a good deal more comfortable in northern and western parts of the uk with air from the atla ntic parts of the uk with air from the atlantic separating the two is this weather front. it is the focus for some welcome showers. we are seeing
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some welcome showers. we are seeing some of those in the lake district. not in the forecast in the south and east, this was a short while ago in hampshire and this is the seam underneath that weather front in quinney, a good deal planet unprofessionally cooler. if it is all too much for you. —— a good deal cooler. the north—west of england, bright spells but one or two showers. plenty of sunshine. maybe some showers pushing into the hebrides later on but with light winds and the air from the atlantic feeling much more like chizzy for this time it is with temperatures in the high teens and low 20s —— much cooler. cloud across the northern and wales could break up but still one or two showers. a chance of a shower towards the south west. the winds will be right across the country at the further south and east, temperatures 31. maybe a little bit on yesterday bosman values that set to rise this week. tonight, much of england and wales will have lots of humid and muggy night. temperatures close to 20.
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co mforta ble night. temperatures close to 20. comfortable in scotland and northern ireland in single figures in rural areas to take us into tomorrow. wednesday's forecast, drive for most of us and increasing amounts of sunshine across england and wales. any chance of a shower mainly limited to western scotland and northern ireland. temperatures in the low 20s. starting to climb again in the south—east corner, 31—33. that continues into thursday. there are hints of changes in the west, holding fire for thursday but from fresh in the wings set to push its weight in for the weekend. thursday, still driving in weight in for the weekend. thursday, stilldriving in air weight in for the weekend. thursday, still driving in airfrom weight in for the weekend. thursday, still driving in air from the south and pumping up at him because across many eastern areas. temperatures above 30, coventry, oxford, and into the weekend, dropping back into the mid—20s. after potentially sandstorms on friday night into saturday. always a bit, across western areas —— at a potentially some storms. temperatures dropping
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off by this time get to weekend. hello it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm chloe tilley. at least 50 people have died in forest fires in greece , dozens of them in a single village, as greece faces its worst forest fires for more than a decade. people have been describing how they fled the area. translation: thankfully, the scene was there and we went into the sea because the flames were chasing us all the way to the water. we'll get the latest from greece shortly. new data shows almost a quarter of all rail commuters arriving in london standing on trains — we'll hear from commuters about their experiences and ask rail companies and campaign groups groups what can be done. more children being prescribed antidepressants in england, scotland and northern ireland than three years ago — with the steepest rise among those aged 12 and under. one in four children are having some mental health issue. and so some of the rise will be related to the fact that people are now better able to come forward and ask for help. that's a good thing.
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chinese restaurants and business are closing up today, protesting against what they say are unfair and heavy handed immigration raids by the home office. they say the raids are putting the future of chinatowns across the country in jeopardy. good morning, it's 10am. here's ben brown is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the day's news. at least 50 people have been killed in greece as wildfires continue to ravage coastal towns and holiday resorts near athens. the deaths include the discovery of 26 bodies at a villa at the seaside resort of mati. more bodies have been found at sea, as people have taken to the water to escape the flames. boats and helicopters are being used to try to rescue those cornered by the fires. japan's weather agency has declared a heatwave sweeping the country is now a natural
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disaster, with at least 65 deaths recorded in the past week. officials warn that unprecedented levels of heat were being seen in some areas. more than 22,000 people have been admitted to hospital with heat stroke. the japan meteorological agency warned that temperatures of 35c or higher would continue until early august. meanwhile, people here are being warned to stay out of the midday sun today, as most of the uk swelters in heatwave conditions. a level—three heat alert is in place for much of east and south—east england, which saw the hottest day of the year yesterday in suffolk, where the temperature reached 33.3 degrees celsius. the met office says the first half of this summer is the driest since 1961. the ministry of defence is to sell raf scampton in lincolnshire ? the base from where the dambuster raid was
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launched in the second world war. the lincolnshire airbase has long been at the heart of raf operations and is home of the famous red arrows, employing around 600 people. but it's now being sold as the mod tries to save billions of pounds. the mod is also closing raf linton in north yorkshire where 300 people work. the former archbishop of canterbury, george carey, is to be cross—examined for the first time about his role in the alleged cover up of sexual abuse by the disgraced church of england bishop, peter ball. lord carey will give evidence to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, which is examining how the former bishop of gloucester managed to evade justice for more than 20 years. a million public sector workers are expected to get a pay rise in the biggest round of wage hikes for nearly a decade. teachers, doctors, police and prison officers could receive as much as a 3.5% increase. the salary boost will be annouced later and will be paid
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for by individual departments, rather than the treasury. figures from the department of transport reveal that almost a quarter of all rail passengers arriving in london during morning rush hour had to stand, despite overall passenger numbers falling in the capital. the rail passenger count shows that the number of daily rail passengers also fell in leeds, liverpool and manchester. the government requires rail companies to use this information to plan timetables in a way that reduces over—crowding. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30am. thank you very much, ben. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged
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at the standard network rate. let's get some sport now. hugh ferris is at the bbc sport centre. good morning. the german football association has denied allegations of racism made by the arsenal forward mesut ozil. but they admit they could have done more to protect him from abuse. this story goes back to may when ozil was pictured with the controversial turkish leader, president erdogan. ozil is of turkish heritage and says that meeting wasn't about politics but about respecting the highest office of his family's country. there were calls at the time for him to be dropped from germany's world cup squad. he wasn't. but ozil says he was the victim of unfair criticism from the german fa when they were knocked out of the world cup. he's retired from international football, citing racism and disrespect. and he has had a lot of support since, not, though, from everyone. uli hoeness is the president of bayern munich. he had this to say. "i am glad that this scare is over. he had been playing dirt for years. that is not a literal translation.
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"he last won a tackle before the 2014 world cup. and now he and his dirt performance hide beyond this picture. from a sporting point of view, ozil has no place in the national team for years." now, we've heard lots about the success of england's youth teams in the last year or so. but the under—19s side won't be defending their european title this summer. they were thrashed 5—0 by france in their last match of the group stage. it was their first defeat of the competition. but it means they finish third and are heading home. in the women's game, a new british record transfer fee's been paid for the england and manchester city midfielder izzy christiansen. she's joining the european champions lyon in france. team sky riders geraint thomas and chris froome say they're not rivals even though they're heading into the final stretch of the tour de france in first and second overall. the gap between the two is one minute 39 seconds ahead of stage 16 today.
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with thomas in the lead, despite froome being a four—time champion and the leader of the team whose efforts to win the yellowjersey would normally be the priority. so the question dominating the tour now is whether froome will try and help his friend win the race this year. it's quite funny because everyone's so keen to try to talk up this rivalry between myself and g, but itjust doesn't exist. we're not looking at each other as rivals, we're looking at the other guys, the guys in third and four and fifth, they're the ones that could put us under pressure, but between us, itjust doesn't exist like that. swimmer ryan lochte is in more trouble of his own making. the 12—time olympic medallist has been banned for 14 months for receiving fluids via an iv drip. so how did the authorities know he'd done it? well, he took a picture and posted it on social media. caught red handed, lochte had to accept the ban. he's developed a bit of a reputation over the years. he was the one who pretended he'd been attacked at gunpoint during the rio olympics to cover
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for a drunken night out. that's all the sport for now. headlines at 10:30am. thank you. at least 50 people have died in forest fires in greece — dozens of them in a single village at a seaside resort near athens. more than 170 others have been injured. many people have been forced to abandon their homes close to the capital, athens. the greek government has asked other european countries for helicopters and additional firefighters to help tackle the fires. with us now from lesbos is journalist anthee carassava, who works at the times newspaper in greece. thank you forjoining us. just tell us how bad the situation is right now. are the fires under control? they are under control but the rescue they are under control but the rescu e crews they are under control but the rescue crews and the authorities are trying to assess the day after and the extent of this damage. there are
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accou nts the extent of this damage. there are accounts coming in from all corners of mati, the seaside region, from various people phoning in, volunteers, authorities, everyone, talking about end of bodies and carcasses lying everywhere. i think the most tragic point was in one particular area where a group of some 26 people, mainly families, they try to escape and reach the beach and instead they were trapped ina grove, beach and instead they were trapped in a grove, raised within moments by the ferocious fire. there were people fleeing right, left and centre, many holiday makers, they managed to make it to the sea, 710 have been transported unsafely recovered to a local mayor by port.
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they have been taken to hospitals to be checked out —— to a local nearby port. they are being taken to local accommodation centres. 16 of those injured children, a dozen very seriously injured with burns and breathing problems. 199 people still remain missing. that is the worry, although we are hearing that 50 people have died, the real concern is that could go much higher. absolutely. everyone and anyone i have been speaking to has been telling me, brace for a very dramatic figure. again, a local official was speaking to me, in mati, telling me that the volunteers and rescue crews have yet to actually go into the gutted homes
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and burnt cars stuck in convoys and abandoned in this region. there has not been one home that has not been affected, scorched, razed to the ground, along the seaside town. just step back for us and explain to our viewers in the uk exactly which part of greece is being affected and how widespread it is. i know you are on an island which is not affected at all, lesbos. absolutely, it is business as usual for other greek islands seeing tourists coming in, the peak holiday season, summer season. but the nation entirely, even holiday—makers, foreign holiday—makers, stunned by what has been called a national tragedy. the areas most affected, the mati region, 16, 18 kilometres north,
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north—west of athens, the city centre. the quayside of athens has also been affected. another region about 50 kilometres has also been affected. just to give you an idea, yesterday was a very, very bad day as far as forest fires were concerned, 47 forest fires were triggered around the greater region. some of them even affecting islands down south on the island of crete. all of them so far remained checked and are under control, but authorities have thousands of firefighters from soldiers, coast guard, they are on alert, to keep them there in case of flare—ups.
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thank you so much for bringing us that update from lesbos, a journalist at the times in greece. commuting to work and back can be stressful enough at the best of times. but if you have to get an overcrowded train every day, it can be unbearable. and that's the situation for thousands and thousands of commuters across the country. as we heard earlier, the worst services have been revealed by the department for transport this morning. in a typical morning last autumn, crowding was highest in london, with 23% of passengers standing on trains coming in to the capital in the morning, when demand was highest. that's despite rail passenger numbers falling in many major cities, including the capital. ina in a moment, we will be speaking to some commuters about their hellish journeys. fiona trott is at leeds train station. guide us through the worst lines we have heard about. looking at the figures talking about passengers exceeding the train's capacity what
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the department for transport is telling us this morning is that outside london, the most crowded trains were going in and out of cambridge, 4.3% of passengers exceeded capacity, the number of people probably standing, we can assume. manchester, 3.2, followed by leeds, 2.5, birmingham, 2%. these figures today also include the latest passenger satisfaction scores from transport focus and around half of commuters surveyed were not happy with the crowding situation. the most people unhappy about commuting in and out of london were passengers going in and out of paddington. thank you for that. with us here are steve chambers from the campaign for better transport, a group which campaigns for better bus and rail services. and rober nisbit, a director at the rail delivery group which represents uk train companies.
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speaking to us from westminster is the labour mp, lilian greenwood, who leads a group of mps that investigates transport issues. in plymouth is sophie walker. sophie found herself on a packed train to plymouth yesterday. in harpenden isjo cumbo who says her daily commute is dangerously overcrowded. we may well also bejoined by another commuter in the next few minutes. you go from hopkinton to blackfriars in london every day —— harpenden. tell us about your daily journey. i have been commuting the four years now and i chose to live in harpenden because the commute was fairly decent, i work five days a week and my trip is 30,35 fairly decent, i work five days a week and my trip is 30, 35 minutes. i have children, my day is busy and long and demanding and a good commute can make a difference between working with kids and a long
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day. up until two months ago, before the timetable change, i had a decent chance of getting a seat on the train and having a decent commute, but after the timetable change in may, things deteriorated really badly. now i cannot get a seat, it isa badly. now i cannot get a seat, it is a struggle to get on a train because we have fewer trains, we have lost a third of the trains in the morning, dropped from 23 to 15. the same amount of people jostling onto the trains. this means that you are very, onto the trains. this means that you are very, very close, it is stuffy, hot, iam are very, very close, it is stuffy, hot, i am standing for 30, 35 minutes. a couple of occasions, it has got so bad i have actually had to sit on the floor, almost passed out, iam to sit on the floor, almost passed out, i am turning up to work dishevelled and feeling really sick, no state to be in. stay with us because i want to bring in sophie, ona train
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because i want to bring in sophie, on a train yesterday and it sounds like it was quite a journey. that is frustrating, we cannot hear her, clearly telling us her story. let us try once more. hello. yes, we can hear you, fantastic. as leader of the women's equality party, i travelled the country a lot and i am travelling at the moment to do consultations on the quality and health care which is ironic because i have never seen health care which is ironic because i have never seen more health care which is ironic because i have never seen more people struggling physically and mentally on the train from london paddington to plymouth as i saw yesterday. what it showed me is that we basically building a system discriminating against women travelling with children, people with disabilities, older people. i was absolutely appalled by what i saw but i was similarly even more appalled by what i heard. when people were
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complaining that the guard, his response was, the company do this all the time, they do not care. the first day of the summer holidays to the south—west which is obviously a very popular holiday place, the masters of industry running these companies had not managed to put two and two together that it might be quite a busyjourney the families. there was a train carriage missing, no unreserved carriage, the existing bookings were all over the place, when we got the bath, there was a woman with a pushchair turned away by the guard, saying, it is full, making panicky phone calls to central office throughout the journey think the people fighting over seats. the people who managed with the people who were strong enough, fit enough, able enough to stand. anybody with additional needs was pitted against each other for practically no space at all.”
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was pitted against each other for practically no space at all. i was appalled. i want to read you a statement from great western railway. this is in relation to your journey yesterday. unfortunately, this train was busier than usual because of ongoing engineering work and it was operating with a carriage less tha n and it was operating with a carriage less than planned because of a fault. customers with a booked seat reservation unable to sit out the allocated seat are entitled to a refund. we have since made changes to the train plans to ease the situation. when stopping at bristol, we advised customers another less busy train was departing a few minutes later to help improve the journey experience. first of all, in bristol, they said the opposite, they said, please go and join the other train which i promise will be leaving before this, and lots of people got off, and i would train left first. it is this description of the train is busy which i find really offensive. it completely
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lacks any regard for passengers, that train was not busy, that train was overbooked and under resourced because of a company's reader and failure to adequately provide a service. sophie, put that point to robert from the rail delivery group representing rail companies, pretty shameful, isn't it. it is an awful story, i cannot defend thatjourney has been something the industry should be providing the paying passengers. they pay money, they expect a comfortable journey, reliable journey, and that clearly. . . reliable journey, and that clearly... it is impossible to defend that. anybody who commutes on a daily basis to any big city around this country will know the pain of not having a seat, of reliability, delays, and as we heard from jo, working parent, you want to get home to pick up your kids from after—school club, just to see them
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to put them to bed, so many people do not get that opportunity? we have to split up the issues. we have the timetable problems from many which we re timetable problems from many which were unacceptable, terrible levels of service —— from may. we have started to steady the ship. the figures this morning much more encouraging, 85% of trains running as scheduled, things are getting more on track, but we appreciate the la st more on track, but we appreciate the last few weeks for people especially around manchester and london have been pretty awful. we have been looking at the reasons behind the may timetable, why it went so badly wrong, there are several investigations. looking more broadly at passenger numbers of people coming in in the morning commute, we read with interest that in london it is getting a little bit better in some places, the overcrowding is a little bit less. fewer people are getting the train, that is not a good thing, we should all be using
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public transport? there are numbers wider passenger numbers could be falling, changing working patterns, people not doing the nine to five, more self—employed people, it is not just on the railway industry, a drop—off in the number of people using the tube in london and bus services around the country, and not just in britain, around the world, new york, paris, similar drops. what we have seen over the last 20 years, a mammoth increase in demand in the railway industry and we are trying to keep pace with that which is why we have a long—term plan to improve and change the railway service and what i would say is there are a numberof what i would say is there are a number of new services coming onstream, 7000 new carriages, we hope it will relieve the overcrowding issues we have seen. from the stories today, i am not negating them, we have a long way to go. we are getting comments, i would be grateful if you could respond, robert. twitter, why are trains not
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subject to risk assessment as it is such a potential dangerous situation? gavin, e—mail, you are not allowed to stand on an aircraft, why should train companies get a full fa re why should train companies get a full fare for someone to stand on the train? there were different safety criteria as regards different modes of transport, different set of circumstances on a plane and you have to buckle yourself into a seat, trains are different. i think i heard your commuters earlier expecting it to be a bit busier, thatis expecting it to be a bit busier, that is not accepting the fact people should be crammed in an uncomfortable, the stories we hear about people almost fainting, that is clearly unacceptable. that is a daily reality for so many people. steve, train passengers are having to pay huge hikes in train fares, way above inflation, this is the service they are getting. passengers expect the promise of the timetable to be kept. we saw the change in may
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bringing huge amounts of extra capacity, getting more people to work, and the industry completely fell short, it did not provide that at all. people are right to be angry. many people pay for an annual season ticket, but going back to the point about the railway disconnecting against women, part—time worker, travelling a couple of days a week, your ticket for that day works out more experienceed—macro —— more expensive. we think a drop—off is people priced out of the way away and kept out of the labour market. there is a consultation at the moment, it is really important people take the anger and get in touch and respond to the consultation and show how the railway should be operating to make it fairer. is now the time to have a huge shake—up in this country and look at the way we deal with rail franchise, completely differently, thatis franchise, completely differently, that is clearly not working, lilian? we need to have some changes. the
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timetable changes that came in at the beginning of may were supposed to make things better and they have made things much worse. as you have heard from commuters this morning, including jo heard from commuters this morning, includingjo in heard from commuters this morning, including jo in harpenden, they are seeing less services. the only reason the figures back in the autumn, before the recent chaos, slightly better, because fewer people are travelling by train and it isa people are travelling by train and it is a huge problem because it means people are probably forced to get into the car adding to congestion and air pollution. my select committee is looking into the recent timetable changes, we are also looking into railfranchising and we will be making recommendations to the government and the industry about how they can tackle these problems. how much is your ticket every year, jo? almost £4000, because i work five days a week, both my husband and i travel five days a week, so after the
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mortgage, the second—biggest cost to our household, huge. the situation is so bad now that i cannot catch the train that i used to catch to get to work for 9am, i have had to change my hours because i do not wa nt change my hours because i do not want to get sick on the train. it is dysfunctional and perverse. what needs to change, steve? we need to see the electrification schemes in the north that were planned, we are seeing people in manchester, third on the overcrowding list, travelling in an ancient diesel trains, it was supposed to be fixed in may, we were supposed to be fixed in may, we were supposed to be fixed in may, we were supposed to have newer, electric trains, more capacity. we need to see that happen. the industry itself needs to learn from what happened in may. a lot of planning should have made sure the timetable change should have been a brilliant news stories, new destinations being served, getting people to work, it should have happened, there should
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have been proper planning. we need to make sure it never happens again. why did it happen? there are several investigations going into it and i do not want to prejudge it but clearly everyone is splattered with mud, network rail, political decisions, transport operating companies, all bear some responsibility and all have apologised. we need to look at the independent investigation to see where the fault lies. picking up what steve was saying about fares, it is right, changing work it patterns, season tickets, we need to look again. the first consultation will take into account from stakeholders, organisations such as steve's, also passengers as well. we urge people to get in contact to say what kind of tickets they would like to see, much more flexible for the way they live their lives. i want to make one point. the danger in all of this is that we concentrate the criticism on areas where there are difficulties and not talk about some
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of the successes as well. in scotland, we have seen the electrification between edinburgh and glasgow, new electric trains are tens of thousands of new seats, that is also a good news story. we want that replicated in areas where there are issues. should train companies consistently failing passengers, through the timetables orjourneys like we have heard so eloquently outlined by sophie and jo, should they be stripped of the franchise? no other company would operate in society that would get away with that and not be punished by the consumers or shareholders. there are mechanisms within the franchises where they can be stripped of the franchise, part of the franchising system, but as the industry, we know lilian and elected politicians as well as commuters and campaigning groups, they want a change, major rail reform looking at the franchises. hang on a second, this does not seem to be locally responsive, it needs to be looked at
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again, the architecture needs to change. the industry has some ideas as well as government and it is part ofa as well as government and it is part of a national conversation we need to have because clearly the current system is not pleasing anyone, but it will in the end be up to elected politicians to decide what kind of system we have. lilian, do politicians need to get tougher on rail companies and make them far more accountable so they can be stripped for just such more accountable so they can be stripped forjust such hideous journeys so many people are having? it isa journeys so many people are having? it is a huge concern and one my committee is looking at. we know one gtr, providing some of the very overcrowded services into london, the government allowed them to buy out their performance penalties right through to september, so even though they are providing an absolutely lousy service, there is no consequence and the public accounts committee felt the government would not even have the capability to strip them of their franchises, it is simply not good
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enough asa franchises, it is simply not good enough as a response to commuters having to pay enormous fares are not getting the sort of service they deserve. you say absolutely now sleep at 84% of trains were running according to schedule time. —— you say absolutely lousy. that was not the scheduled timetable for may. they put up with engineering works over a very long period on the promise of better services. the timetable in may was an absolute chaos. the interim timetable actually doesn't provide a big increase in services. some places, as we've heard, like in harpenden, have far fewer services. that should have been corrected in december that it won't even happen asa december that it won't even happen as a result of the mess the industry has made. lillian, that simply isn't true, there are 200 extra services running on gdr running every day, not fewer services. there are fewer services in harpenden, we have gone from 23 between 6:30am and 830 am in the morning down to 19. that isn't
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what was promised, robert, you are not delivering what was promised. it's all very well to come on this programme and talk about your good news stories but i would suggest you tell your good news stories to the woman who was beside me yesterday with three children under the age of ten who was offered the floor of the guard's van for her five and a half hour journey with guard's van for her five and a half hourjourney with no promise she would have a seat on the way back. perhaps the woman who paid £166 to travel with her two children and ended up standing with her seven—year—old and 11—year—old beside the toilet. what we are seeing here is the defensiveness, which is in the not acceptable to the people who are suffering every single day on your train lines.” don't think this is defensive, i am not being defensive. there are issues and we are hearing what you are saying. there are clearly big problems in various parts of the country, which we are looking to address. we have to be careful we don'tjust take
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address. we have to be careful we don't just take individual address. we have to be careful we don'tjust take individual bad exa m ples don'tjust take individual bad examples and extrapolate that to say thatis examples and extrapolate that to say that is happening to everybody in the country. that is all i am saying. the woman who was trying to complain yesterday was told flat out by the guard on that train, "the company doesn't care". that is what the guard said to the passengers who we re the guard said to the passengers who were complaining. he said they do this all the time, the companies don't care. what we need to talk about right here is what you're going to do about that lack of accountability. let me be due some of the messages coming into us. mark has said "always the main stations, ta ke has said "always the main stations, take a trip to bromsgrove and limited services results in overcrowding on every train into birmingham. heaven forbid you try to travel on the 10:43am service, this train regularly leads up to 43 people behind on an hourly service. during school services and christmas every train these people behind. joe on twitter says sophie's story is a reflection of the majority of my recent train journeys, awful and dangerous service right across the country. mao has said "ever since the botched timetable introduction
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we have had nothing but pathetic excuses. reduced services rather than claims of increased numbers, when will somebody called to account?" on facebook, stevens has just back from the south—west, before the english schools broke up, travel from torquay to bristol and back again last week and the journey from bristol was shocking. four carriage train originated in glasgow pitched up for with a platform full of people waiting to get on. absolute chaos. thank you for coming in and sharing your experiences this morning. still to come: chinatowns around the country are to down tools and shut down today in protest of home office immigration raids that they say put the future of chinatowns in jeopardy. we'll be hearing from some of those in the community. time for the latest news. here's ben brown. at least 50 people have been killed in greece as wildfires continue to ravage coastal towns and holiday resorts near athens. the deaths include the discovery of 26 bodies
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at a villa at the seaside resort of mati. more bodies have been found at sea, as people have taken to the water to escape the flames. boats and helicopters are being used to try to rescue those cornered by the fires. japan's weather agency has declared a heatwave sweeping the country is now a natural disaster, with at least 65 deaths recorded in the past week. officials warn that unprecedented levels of heat were being seen in some areas. more than 22,000 people have been admitted to hospital with heat stroke. the japan meteorological agency warned that temperatures of 35 degrees celsius or higher would continue until early august. meanwhile, people here are being warned to stay out of the midday sun today as most of the uk swelters in heatwave conditions. a level—three heat alert is in place for much of east and south—east england, which saw the hottest day of the year yesterday in suffolk, where the temperature reached
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33.3 degrees celsius. the met office says the first half of this summer is the driest since 1961. the ministry of defence is to sell raf scampton in lincolnshire, the base from where the dambuster raid was launched in the second world war. the lincolnshire airbase has long been at the heart of raf operations and is home of the famous red arrows, employing around 600 people. but it's now being sold as the mod tries to save billions of pounds. raf linton on ouse in north yorkshire will also close. the former archbishop of canterbury, george carey, is to be cross—examined for the first time about his role in the alleged cover up of sexual abuse by the disgraced church of england bishop, peter ball. lord carey will give evidence to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse, which is examining how the former bishop of gloucester managed to evade justice for more than 20 years. a million public sector workers are expected to get a pay rise in the biggest round of wage hikes for nearly a decade.
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teachers, doctors, police and prison officers could receive as much as a 3.5% increase. the salary boost will be annouced later and will be paid for by individual departments, rather than the treasury. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with hugh. the german football association say they emphatically reject mesut ozil's claims of racism and disrespect that the arsenal player made following his international retirement, which the dfb insist they regret after going out of the world cup at the group stage. the tour de france resumes today, after its final rest day and the question that'll need to be answered, thomas or froome? the two british riders and team sky team—mates are first and second in the overall standings ahead of stage 16 today. izzy christiansen has moved from manchester city women to lyon in france for a british record fee.
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the england international joins lucy bronze at the champions lseague winners. and 12—time olympic medallist ryan lochte is banned for 14 months after being pictured on an iv drip. he took the photo himself and shared it on social media. the latest spot of bother for the second most successful american of all time. that's all the sport for now. let's take you live to northern thailand where members of the thai football team trapped in a cave system for two weeks before being rescued will shortly begin the process of becoming novice buddhist monks. 11 of the players and their coach will meditate, pray and clean the temple for nine days — a thai lucky number. to begin the process, the boys and their coach are taking part in a hair—clipping ceremony.
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rescued from that cave in thailand, begin the coming novice monks will stop there will be a head tipping ceremony in the next few minutes. —— hair—clipping. for the whole of the working day today, chinese restaurants and businesses will be downing tools and closing up. they say the loss in business is in protest against what they call unfair and heavy—handed immigration raids by the home office. the chinese chinatown association say the raids, coupled with tier—two immigration laws mean the future of chinatowns across the country are in jeopardy. in the climate of what some call a hostile environment towards immigrants, the home office says that they respect the public‘s right to protest, but officers must not be obstructed from carrying out their lawful business. let's talk to joseph wu, who is from the chinese information and advice centre — which is organising the protest against the home office. jerry ho is a restaurateur in london — he says the raids are very damaging to business. andrew bridgen is a
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conservative mp who says immigration raids are necessary to combat crime and illegal immigration. thank you forjoining us. joseph, explain why you feel this protest is necessary. we are protesting against very, very unprofessional conduct by the officers on the 5th ofjuly. i was there, witnessing a live vehicle driving towards, you know, a lady, who is deaf will stop she cannot express herself, she made really exaggerated gestures but that was ignored by the officer. she was manhandled. that incited her and she became hysterical. they need to know how to handle situations like that better will stop chinatown is a very peaceful
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place. out of all the madness in central london and craziness, we a lwa ys central london and craziness, we always come to chinatown for peace of oasis. we are very, very upset that, for the first time in history, the community have direct confrontation with our friends. the police and officers. let me tell you what they have said because they provided us with a statement. "during an intelligence led immigration enforcement operation at j°y immigration enforcement operation at joy luck restaurant at five o'clock on the 5th ofjuly, five men who had no right to live or work in the uk we re no right to live or work in the uk were arrested, including the subject of the intelligence. four man had overstayed their visas and one had entered the uk illegally. the protest which followed saw attempt to prevent immigration enforcement officers from leaving the area with the arrested men. no members of the public were harmed during the incident. immigration officers was found to have a fractured ankle during a hospital checkup in the week that followed the protest". they are saying it is absolutely
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legitimate, that rate, because they discover that five people were here who have known mind to live or work in the uk —— that raid. who have known mind to live or work in the uk -- that raid. we have no questions about their legitimate right to examine the legality of workers. what we are asking is, why do they come at a time when we just have a meeting with home office officials in chinatown, in a public forum, only three days ago? interference immigration officer now coming to premises without a warrant. they come in very heavy—handed, they could cause destruction to business. in some of these arrests, these operation, there is no arrest and the damage to that business is already done. and there is no redress. let's talk about the effects it has on your business, these kind of raids.” believe the immigrant enforcement officer, they have the right to do what they are supposed to do.
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but i believe there is mutual respect, the way they handle it... i mean, ina respect, the way they handle it... i mean, in a business world, we expect or we wanted to have a harmonised business environment. but when the officer comes to... the business mother go into the restaurant and stop everybody — — mother go into the restaurant and stop everybody —— the business, they go into the restaurant. they say we are doing business in a way that it looks like they are arresting criminals. i believe they have a way of avoiding this. the way they do it, it makes chinatown is not a safe place. it makes people feel that chinatown is not an ideal place for people who go over there. that is damaging, the image they achieved. andrew bridgend
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mp, do you accept it is important that relations between the communities in chinatown and the home office enforcement officers are maintained? and home office enforcement officers are maintained ? and currently, home office enforcement officers are maintained? and currently, that is not going well. it's important that our law enforcement agencies maintain excellent relationships with every community in our country. aslam with every community in our country. as i am glad you other two contributors agree, we are all under the same rules and same laws. but some of the concerns are actually very serious allegations of people being kept in conditions affectively of modern slavery. these are chinese people. i would urge anyone who is aware of either illegal migrants working illegally in business, which isa working illegally in business, which is a way of cheating in business. you are actually beating your competitors probably by paying lower wages than you should be doing. they should be a eradicated from our country. it need informants in all communities, if they suspect illegal
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migration or people being kept in conditions of modern slavery, they need to inform authorities and we need to inform authorities and we need to inform authorities and we need to stamp this out. joe said, feel free to speak to andrew. —— joe i , feel free. china , feelfree. china has improved the economic condition in such a way that illegal immigration or illegal migration from china has dropped substantially. yet this kind of raids are on the increase. i don't understand. this doesn't make sense. when you have a problem, and we need to address it together. the only way is dialogue. not the way they charge into chinatown, cause the most disruption and then totally disrupt the kind of relationship we have built. i work closely with the police on chinese new year celebration. we have regular immigration surgeries. the home office officer
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coming into my office every month to look at ways of how we can help those people who want to go back home. we do everything we can to support the officers. but this does not bode well. our senior member in the community was pushed about and threatened to be arrested, just because they want to make sure that the old lady in front of the car, who almost got hit, was going to be safe. it was not an organised protest in any way. it was a spontaneous action, provoked by the officer towards the woman. andrew, do you believe that sometimes, these officials are being too heavy handed in their approach? all other law enforcement agencies can only perform their duties, we don't live in a police state. we have the consent of the public. it is our duty to try and help them in that situation. in defence of
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immigration officers... the police have done a lot... if there are concerns about the legality of staff, reasonably, the only time they can get the staff together and come to the process is when the business is open. obviously, i regret any disruption to a legitimate business, who hasn't got staff who are here illegally or being kept in horrendous conditions of modern slavery. i regret that. it busy there are compensations schemes for that. i am totally baffled about this modern slavery term. i have never seen anything like that. in chinatown. chinatown is the place where people respect each other. i really need that... that does not happen in chinatown. the other thing is, the police have done tremendous work, in the last ten and 20 years in community relationships. after the brixton riots. they have proper code and conduct. why are
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immigration officers exempt from that. does not promote a culture that. does not promote a culture that gives rise to heavy handedness? that does not bode well with community relationships. three or four years ago we had meetings with immigration officers and they agreed it is important to work with the local police, to work with the local council. but on the visit on the 5th ofjuly, that was not followed, they just came in. they are using this new power from the licensing act, which means they no longer need a warrant to come into this premises. where is the checks and balances from a magistrate? i want to bring in another issue about employing local workers. that is one big issue and people are saying you should be employing people locally. i know that has also been an issue with bringing people over and the tier—two system. explain a bit about that. when you develop your business, you need to have a good team. to enable
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a good team, you have to go through a good team, you have to go through a selection process. without the people available, how can you do the selection? you can't form a good team. at the same time, we need more workers to come into the industry. we would like the government helping us to get more workers are available in the marketplace. these rules basically mean if you bring a chef over, they have to add another £30,000. and speak english. clearly, that is a challenge. why aren't you employing more local people? we open our doors to everybody available. we employ people from eastern europe. we employ anybody who would like to join the industry. but still it is insufficient. this is based on the uk labour market. living in london, it is quite expensive. for the people who come
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here, it is difficult as well. at the same time, we have pressures, to operate a business is not an easy job. we have to pay the rates, rent, utility. everything is going on. so it is challenging for you as well? very challenging. on the day of the raids, i believe if the home office has been intelligent lead, how come they put us labelled as slavery? i believe that is wrong. that isjust the view which we are getting from andrew bridgend but thank you so much for taking the time to speak to us today. a woman sexually abused by her stepfather between the ages of four and 16 has won a legal challenge against the "same—roof" rule which denies compensation to victims of crime who lived under the "same roof" as their attacker before 1979.
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our legal correspondent clive coleman is here. tell us more about this. people may find this will utterly extraordinary. i don't know anyone who would you regard this as any kind of sensible law. but what the rule says essentially is that if you we re rule says essentially is that if you were living under the same roof as members of the same family with your attacker prior to 1979, you will not be awarded what is known as criminal injuries compensation. criminal injuries compensation. criminal injuries compensation. criminal injuries compensation authority hands of compensation to victims of serious crime. but there is this rule which says prior to 1979, if you are living under the same roof as members of the same family, you are not entitled to compensation. this is of enormous importance to victims of sexual abuse. interestingly, the independent enquiry into child sexual abuse in its interim report in april recommended the scrapping of this rule. this particular woman known only as jt suffered horrendous
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sexual abuse at the hands of her stepfather. in her 40s she found the courage to go to police. he was prosecuted, convicted and imprisoned. she has been fighting a legal battle for six years to challenge this rule, because she was told when she applied for compensation she wasn't entitled to it because she was excluded by virtue of this rule. today, the court of appeal had found that she was unfairly discriminated against. as effectively a member of that group of people who were living under the same roof, as members of the same family, that amounted to dissemination. and that there was no reasonable basis for the imposition of the rule on her. her case now goes back to the criminal injuries compensation authority. it will give a lot of encouragement to other people in that situation. of course, as we know, victims of sexual abuse, it can take decades before they have the courage and confidence to come forward. this will be of enormous interest and importance to that
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group. thank you. we have been talking this morning about antidepressants. the number of antidepressants prescribed to children in england, scotland and northern ireland is on the rise. the figure is on the rise — particularly for the under 12s. so why is this happening? earlier, i spoke to gp dr philippa kaye, nicky romero whose daughter becky took her own life last year after being prescribed antidepressants, and 17—year—old georgia carpenter who started taking antidepressants two years ago. i asked georgia to tell us about her experience sot) about her experience. i was about 15 when i was put on antidepressants. i'm still taking them, iam antidepressants. i'm still taking them, i am on 40 antidepressants. i'm still taking them, iam on 40 mg, daily. i have been taking them over, you know, definitely over a year. personally, i don't think they... you know, the way forward, you know, it's a shame to see such high percentages go up four children, you know, and young
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people taking, you know, medication and having to rely on it. also, you know, for daily life and stuff. what do the antidepressants do for you? both positively and possibly more negatively? when i first started taking the medication, it was kind ofa taking the medication, it was kind of a relief. i suppose it were some kind of therapy apart from counselling that i was having that, you know, might shift my mood or could work. so, really, iwas you know, might shift my mood or could work. so, really, i was taking it and sometimes i could be really happy, you know, really, you know, smiley, you know, completely different person. and then other times i could, kind of, go downhill and be isolated. i wouldn't speak to anyone, i was very quiet. patch went on for a very long time. —— that went on. it kind of felt like things we re went on. it kind of felt like things were kind of getting better in a way, but not fully improving my mood. it was more a feeling of
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numbness. i think that's actually quite important. antidepressants aren'ta quite important. antidepressants aren't a quick fix, they aren't a magic pill that make everything better very quickly. we need to be using them, especially in children, but in adults as well, in combination with talking therapies. they are better at something, they are better at taking away what we call the biological symptoms, the difficulties with sleep, the difficulties with sleep, the difficulties with sleep, the difficulties with energy, memory, concentration. it is better at that than fixing the negative thinking. that is why we need the combination together. nikki, what would you say it needs to change to help other young people going forward? who, as we hear, it is good that young people are coming out and saying i need help. but what help do you think they need? when children are brave enough to come out and say, "i've got these problems and i do need help", ithink "i've got these problems and i do need help", i think they need to get that help. to be closely monitored. in becky's case, she just wasn't
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monitored at all. if you look at the guidelines of nice, she should have been checked face—to—face at least once a week. that just been checked face—to—face at least once a week. thatjust didn't happen. every time she went through the cahms services it was more talking therapy. she said she had enough, want not to talk about the bullying anyone need to move on and get ways of doing that. the cbt therapist would have been perfect but she never got the chance to get them. she was under camhs for a couple of years, there was plenty of opportunity for her to have theirs. there was also a mystery of a gap between children's and adult‘s services, children services finishes at 16 services, children services finishes at16 and services, children services finishes at 16 and adults begin at 18. for georgia, you are sitting in the middle right now. in some parts of the country goes to 18 but in not support it goes to 16. if i have somebody who comes to me at 17 and a half and i have a six—month wait, i can't refer them to camhs, they will reject that referral because it won't get seen until they're 18. i
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can't refer them to adult mental health services because they are under 18. all we have at that point is whatever i can get from school and school counselling and other charities like that and myself. to hold them. that is what gps are doing, they are holding a lot of this in community, waiting until the time comes when we can refer. we had this statement. "there is a shortage of camhs beds nationally, the consequence of which is that young people like becky have to be admitted to hospital wards a long way from their home. becky left pebble lodge initially on a period of supervised leave so that she could be with her family. during this time, arrangements were made for her care to be transferred back to the local mental health team so that she could be cared for closer to home. sadly, the arrangements to support her should have been better when professional responsibility for her care was transferred between the two nhs trusts." lots of you getting in touch with us
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with your experiences, good and bad with your experiences, good and bad with antidepressants. thank you for your messages. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. i will be back at the same time tomorrow. particularly across scotland, northern ireland and parts whereas it is cooler because there is a weak front slipping south. behind it, fresh or conditions, sunny spells and a few showers along this cloudier zone in northern england and wales and south—west england. to the south—east, the best of the sunshine, the highest temperature is not quite as high as yesterday that 30 celsius across east anglia. fresh
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