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this is bbc world news, the headlines. venezuela's interior minister says six people he described as "terrorists" have been arrested over an apparent explosive drone attack on the country's president nicolas maduro. the us and colombia have rejected allegations of involvement. swiss police have confirmed the death of 20 people after a world war two vintage plane crashed into a swiss mountainside. the aircraft was carrying 17 passengers and three crew on a sightseeing flight. violent protests have flared again in the bangladeshi capital, dhaka — leaving at least 50 people injured. government supporters clashed with students, who've mounted a week—long protest over road safety. the indonesian island of lombok has been rocked by a second deadly earthquake within a week. at ten o'clock
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mishal hussain will be here with a full round up of the day's news. first ....0urworld: norway's silent scandal. norway. two years ago i came here to meet parents whose children had been taken away. they said the state was far too quick to put children into care without good reason. now i'm back and there is still more anger in families torn apart. at one point i was thinking if i was mad, if i had in my madness harmed my family without really knowing it. and now one of norway's top child protection experts stands disgraced, forced to reveal a secret he had been hiding all his working life. if he had told a judge he had been downloading child pornography for all those years of course he would never have been appointed an expert. what does that mean for the troubled
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system he worked in? this expert reviews all the cases in the country, he was one of these people. he was one of these people in this commission? oh, my dear. i didn't know. cecilie runs every day in the woods above her home in oslo. runs to calm herself, to forget. but she can't forget the day years ago that changed her life forever. when they came, i let my daughter
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open the door. it was two child protection experts. theirjob, to advise the authorities whether or not she could keep her child. i was very scared and i didn't want them in my house in the first place. i hadn't asked for them to come to my house and observe us together. norway's child protection service was worried about the little girl's development, but cecilie had rejected offers of help. they thought she wasn't taking proper care of her daughter. so she took him up here? yeah, she took him up here. during their visit, the experts, a male psychiatrist and a female psychologist, scrutinised everything that happened. my daughter, she said, i think she said she was hungry, she wanted something to eat. but i had decided i would cook a meal later after the experts had left my house and so ijust offered her, would you like some chocolate, a chocolate cereal bar. and then the expert, he took that,
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he wrote in the report that probably i am only giving her chocolate cereal bars all the time for every meal. that is the only thing, that i don't know how to cook anything. so basically they misinterpreted everything? yeah, it was a distortion. then i noticed that the female psychologist, she was looking really intently at my ceiling. she was going like this. and then she noticed, there is a cobweb there. then she wrote it down in the report like it was something really, you know? you can still see something there. like, to take it as proof that my house was messy. or that it was not cleaned properly, that it was not clean enough,
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up to their standards. when you saw the report, what did you think? when you saw what they had written? well, i didn't get the report until after the emergency care order. and then i realised that the report was very negative, that the recommendation was that my daughter had to be taken immediately. cecilie‘s daughter was put into emergency foster carer and the decision was approved at oslo district court, where the experts appeared as witnesses. fast forward several years to april this year, and one of those two experts, the psychiatrist, reappeared in the same courthouse. this time, though, he wasn't in the witness stand. he was in the dock. i am not going to name him,
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for a reason i will come to later. but he is a man who played a key role not just in cecilie‘s case, but in those of many otherfamilies here. it was a trial of one expert, but it raises wider questions about the whole norwegian child protection system, a system that has been widely criticised for being too ready to take children away from their parents. hello, nice to meet you. the courtroom is over there? rune fardal is a veteran campaigner for the rights of families. so this is the courtroom and you came here to observe the trial? yes, i was sitting, actually, right here in this chair, for the whole trial. i should warn you. the details that follow are quite unpleasant. he already admitted doing this downloading of pornographic pictures
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of young boys. and the children in these images, how old were they? the majority, i think, were 10—14. but there were also very small babies. there was young boys having oral sex on each other and on grown—up men. there was rape. there was disabled children, every, every fantasy you can think of in a bad way, was explained there. so he is looking at these pictures of children being abused and he is never, ever putting himself in the actual position of the children he is watching? no, he did not put it like that. he didn't see that as being a paedophile at all, looking at pictures of young children being misused by adults. in all, there were nearly
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200,000 images of children. more than 4000 hours of video. in passing sentence, the judge notes that the accused confessed his own guilt. but she adds this. "the court finds that the accused, to a certain extent, trivialises his own actions. the court furthermore sees it as serious that a professional who is supposed to be the protector of children and young people has placed his own satisfaction and desires first in this matter." the influence of that disgraced expert has been felt here, too, in a small town in the south of norway. hisjudgement has played a role in keeping this family divided for years. the largest family in the town, with eight children? eight children, that is a rarity here. because that would be the question
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people would ask us, which children are yours and which are your husbands and which are yourjoint children? and we were like... as well as being mother to eight children, inez is a local politician and layjudge. she thought of her home as loving, if lively, but five years ago four of her children were suddenly taken away by child protection services, known as barnevernet. i got a phone call from someone telling me that i have to come home. the barnevernet has taken the children. and my husband has been arrested. your husband had been arrested? yes. it was so absurd. obviously it was a mistake. and then when i came there they said i was arrested. when the door to the cell
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was closed, that's when i realised what it meant. and it was so strange to find myself in the cell. and ijust remember being so scared. because this was madness. what is this, what is happening in our country? there had been allegations of violence in the home. the father was soon released without charge, but inez was accused of smacking her children, which is outlawed in norway. one had said that i hit her and everybody said that my youngest son had been smacked, because he bites. i would hear our child crying out in pain
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and i would come running to help, and i would call out his name. and then i gave him a smack in order for him to let go of his sibling. but inez‘s explanations were rejected and herfour youngest children were put into foster care. well, at one point i was thinking if i was mad. if i had, in my madness, been doing things that i wasn't supposed to do. had i harmed my family without really knowing it? that was my thoughts. just the thought of being very scared and frightened. in her battle to get the children
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back, to try to prove she's a good enough mother to them, inez is being helped by a lawyer victoria holmen. victoria believes there was a serious flaw in the case of inez. the problem was that every question was a leading question. and when you analyse the reports, what the children actually said, if it was counting up how many times did they say that my mother was using violence against me? zero. they never actually said, my mother was violent to me? no, zero. inez was acquitted in a criminal trial of using violence against the children. two of her children were then returned. but the youngest are still in foster care, more than two years later. that is despite a report from two
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of norway's most respected psychologists which praised inez‘s parenting skills and recommended that the family be reunited. so why was the conclusion disregarded? because it was rubbished by two are the child specialists from a supervisory body, norway's child expert commission. one of them was the now convicted and disgraced psychiatrist, who had played a key role in putting cecilie‘s child into care. this document is where it went wrong. it is the conclusion from the expert commission and the problem for the commission is the report from the psychologists is too biased towards the parents. that's what they say.
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and this is actually from the psychiatrist who has now been convicted, he said that the psychologist report in this case were too biased towards the parents. yeah. the co—author of that allegedly biased report was reidar hjermann. he knows all about the disgraced expert. one of the most prominent child psychiatrists working in the child welfare system was convicted of downloading a very large amount of child pornography, what question marks does that raise over the system? i would not say it has something
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to do with this system at all. you find rotten eggs in every basket and still people who have done bad things they also do things that are quite good and normal. this child expert commission reviews all of the cases in the country, he was one of those people. yeah, he was one of these people in this commission. oh my dear, i didn't know. there was an occasion in the case we were looking at ourselves where he criticised you personally and criticised your professional judgement very harshly. was that the same person? yes. he actually criticised your professional opinion. yes he did.
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and i disagreed with this very much and i was quite angry when i received this and it makes me think, of course. if this is the same person, then... that is the same person. because what happened after this was that these childrens case would of course be treated in the light of this comment on my report. interesting. very interesting. there has been no discussion of the wider implications of this case in the norwegian media, no shock or outrage in the newspapers, no apologies or excuses
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or explanations offered by the authorities that employed the disgraced expert, and as far as i can discover there are no plans for a full review of the child protection decisions that he was involved in. the expert commission says it has looked through his reports and found no reason for concern. other child protection agencies i contacted won't comment on his conviction. but that won't satisfy families whose children were taken away, following his involvement in the cases. well, i would say that that expert, he is the one, he is responsible for taking my daughter away. and then it turns out that he himself has committed crimes against children and i guess the thing what has happened is wrong.
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it does have very grave consequences on my life. in fact, the report that the convicted expert co—authored followed several years of concern by many health and social work professionals that cecilie had neglected her daughter and she rejected the charge, rejected too, the report's conclusion that the child potential development would be limited if she stayed with her mother. it is not valid. what he is saying is not valid. because? because of what he has done. he was hiding from the court, that he was breaking the law, you know? if he had told the judge, "yes and on my spare time, for 20 years i have been downloading child pornography, you know?" i mean, of course he would never have been appointed as an expert. the child psychiartrist
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was convicted and sent to nearly two years injail. so why has he not been named? because he himself is the father of young children, they are entitled to privacy in the authorities have already said they can stay with their father when he is released. that decision has surprised many parents and campaigners, though others say there is no reason for outrage. so this is the fjord that links us, goes across to sweden. thore langfeldt is norway's most famous sexologist. he was an independent expert witness in the case of the disgraced psychiatrist and he says all custody decisions should be based on evidence, not moral panic. we have lots of amounts of data showing that only a little part of those
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who are downloading pictures of children are really offending children, so we can't generalise there and we have no empirical data that can really show the clear link between it. between downloading pictures and actually physically abusing, yourself abusing children? yeah. but this is about the credibility of the system, isn't it? it is not really about one man, it is about the issue of the system that employed him. yeah, but what you mean about the system that employed him? they shouldn't have employed him, but they didn't know. they didn't know anything when they employed him. i mean, we cannot turn the clock backwards. what would happen is that there would be massive compensation claims. yes i think so. i think the system would collapse. we wouldn't be able to handle it.
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so it is better to sometimes say that a sleeping dog sleep. but families who have lost children are not prepared to do that. it is a tsunami of grief that hits parents when things like this happen. child protection have finally told inez they think she is a good enough mother. she hopes to get her youngest two back soon. she hasjoined the campaign for reform of the system, one that has includes many leading norweigan professionals in the field and parents. it is so easy to sweep things under the carpet when it is uncomfortable and i think, in regards to systems, when things are uncomfortable, things have to come up, it has to surface, it has to be fixed. because if we allow it to happen again and again and again. and it is so easy to dismiss the fact that it didn't happen to me, it is ok. but what about the day when it happens to you,
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unless you are willing to help change something when it affects others. there has to be a willingness to that and there has to be a willingness to fix things so that it ensures people to trust the system. the government and the child protection service refused our requests for a comment on this case. they haven't been challenged hard over it within norway, perhaps because this is a society that tends overall, to trust the state. but parents increasingly don't. the ministry of children says legal safeguards for families are now being strengthened, but norway's
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silent scandal can only shake their confidence in the system still further. i can remember my daughter as a very happy child, she was obviously very smiling, happy, she was living. i could never have imagined that this could have happened to someone like me. i had a very good relationship with my daughter. idid. and i will never really get her back. some changes on the way this week. it has been to the north—west of the uk, this week it slip south and east and it starts to strengthen. but will replace the heat with something fresher and it will also bring some showers and maybe even some longer spells of rain, particularly midweek onwards. there will be some sunshine and sunshine we will start the week
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whether across england and wales and leave this area of high pressure but to the north and west, we have the france that will topple in across northern ireland, scotland and the northern ireland, scotland and the north of england, patchy rain at times, it will ease off, some breaks in the cloud for scotland, mist and low cloud disbursing from wales and south west england leaving much of england and wales with plenty of sunshine and temperatures exceeding 30 degrees in east anglia and south—east england, fresher the further north and west you go. a fine evening for many with late spells of sunshine, still clouds stretching across scotland into northern england, maybe bringing the odd patch of rain, some mist and low cloud returning to wales and south west england. our front is still with us on tuesday, it is making slow progress south and eastwards and by tuesday it is a fairly weak affair, a lot of cloud stretching from southern england enters north—west england and parts of wales as well, patchy rain at times
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but that will tend to ease through the day and too much of tuesday afternoon, much of the country will be largely dry, the best of the sunshine the further east you go and we are still holding onto that heat across south—east england but not for long. the change will slowly come through web and day has finally that france tries to clear it south—east england and it is by that time, a dividing line between the fresher air we have had a across much of north—west england, scotland and ireland and the heat we have had in the south—east. you can see the colours starting to retreat into the continent and we are left with something noticeably fresher and on wednesday, there will be showers particularly for the west of scotland, northern ireland and maybe later in the day across south west england, it will feel fresher then, still some sunshine. notice the drop in temperature by 8 degrees in places, not so much of a contrast between northern ireland and scotla nd between northern ireland and scotland and england and wales. as we look ahead into thursday, showers
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around and these getting further east, not much rain for a while, a chance we could see some on thursday but certainly some of the showers are likely to be sharp and could merge together to give a prolonged speu merge together to give a prolonged spell of rain and a fairly uniform i7-22d spell of rain and a fairly uniform i7—22d by the time you get to thursday, temperatures coming back down to where they should be for this time of year. we continue that theme heading into the weekend, much more than a band influence across the country, it will feel fresher, much more comfortable by night and also the chance that we could see further rain at times through the weekend, in the form of showers, hit and miss, but the weekend looks to be much more unsettled before sunshine returns through monday and tuesday. another spell of whether for a time later in the weekend into the weekend, some sunshine and then as they go further ahead, a chance that high pressure will start to build again and we will see something were settled, but yes, the
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