hello, it's thursday, it's 9 o'clock. i'm joanna gosling, welcome to the programme. more calls for borisjohnson to be disciplined by the party for saying the full face veil makes women look like "bank robbers" and "letter boxes". ruth davidson, leader of the scottish conservatives, has said his comments are "gratuitously offensive". we've tracked down a woman in denmark who says she was issued with a fine for wearing a niqab in public after a ban came into effect this month. even if i want to go outside to the playground with my kids, i can't do that, because i'm a criminal. i can't go to the shop and buy milk because i'm a criminal, so criminals are not allowed to buy milk. just because of the way i look. so how do muslim women here feel the row impacts on their way of life? we'll ask about the decisions they've made, whether that's to weara niqab, a hijab, or nothing at all. also today, a shortage of qualified teachers in nurseries is damaging the life chances of young children, according to one charity. does it really matter if pre—school children are looked after by workers with higher level

qualifications or not? and — his dad was a drug dealer and a heroin addict and he says football saved him. but did it nearly break him, too? jermaine pennant has bared all about his drink—driving offences and treatment of women in a book, and he'll be here to tell us about it. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we're talking about the burqa and the niqab today. do you think borisjohnson‘s comments risk inflaming tensions, or was he kick—starting a much—needed debate? do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about. use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today. the united states has announced

new sanctions against russia following the poisoning of the former spy sergei skripal and his daughter, yulia, in salisbury. the move was welcomed here by the home secretary sajid javid, who tweeted that russia's use of chemical weapons has been reckless and would not go unchallenged. our washington correspondent chris buckler reports. an attack in the middle of england continues to have consequences for international relationships. and in imposing sanctions, america is making clear that it believes russia used the nerve agent novichok in an attempted assassination here on the streets of salisbury. in the aftermath of the poisoning of the former russian double agent, sergei skripal, and his daughter, yulia, the united states was one of many countries that did take action. it expelled dozens of russian diplomats from the us, including many from its embassy in washington. and since then, members of congress have been pushing for the state department to make a definitive statement that russia had broken international law by using a chemical

or biological weapon. in making that determination, sanctions are being automatically imposed that will prevent the sale of some electronics and sensitive technologies to russia. that could put a strain on relationships at a time when donald trump appears to be trying to reach out to vladimir putin, particularly as a second wave of harsher sanctions will follow unless moscow gives reassurances that it won't use chemical weapons again and opens up some sites to inspectors within 90 days. the kremlin is likely to resist that. it continues to deny that it was involved in the attempted murder of sergei skripal and his daughter. however, the us isjust one of more than 20 countries who've taken formal action against russia, and the british government has welcomed what it called the strong international response. chris buckler, bbc news. our correspondent steve rosenberg is in moscow. any reaction to the new sanctions

from the us? we have not heard from the kremlin yet all the russian foreign ministry but we have heard from russian officials. the head of the foreign affairs committee of the upper house of the russian parliament branded america a police state, which is dispensing justice in the absence of a crime, in the worst traditions of lynching. the russian embassy in washington has reacted, two, saying the americans invented a pretext for these sanctions but provided no evidence to justify their decision. more than 20 countries have imposed sanctions on russia. how much pressure is moscow wonder? -- under. increasing pressure, the new wave of sanctions triggers two waves of sanctions and the first wave i think will have a limited effect, that concerns

america banning the export of sensitive technology, sensitive in terms of america's national security, to russia. so things like gas turbine engines, electronics, things like that. there are already restrictions in place on that. but if within 90 days, russia doesn't offer assurances to america that it is not using chemical and biological weapons and if it does not allow in international inspectors to have on—site inspections in russia, and i can't imagine the russians agreeing to that, then the second wave, potentially a much more dangerous wave of sanctions, will kick in and we could see a downgrading or perhaps even suspension of diplomatic relations between america and russia. we could see america banning flights by russian state airlines into america and america banning imports, or banning all exports to russia apart from food and agricultural products. that will

happen within 90 days, or in 90 days, after the mid—term elections in america. julian worricker is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. a nine—year—old girl has died after suffering serious head injuries in a rock fall in north yorkshire. part of a cliff collapsed onto the beach at seaton garth in staithes yesterday, where it's thought the girl was on holiday. part of the beach remains cordoned off as caroline davies reports. ambulances and emergency helicopters called to a tragic incident. those out for a day at the beach can only watch as rescuers try to help. the emergency services were called yesterday around 4:18pm after a section of the cliff fell here at seaton garth in north yorkshire. the falling rocks hit a nine—year old girl, causing her serious head injuries. despite the rescuers‘ efforts, she died here at the scene. it's shocked this holiday village. theyjust said there's been an incident on the beach and that's all we know.

it's a tragic thing to happen, isn't it, really? in a place like this, it's bad. the girl's thought to have been on holiday with herfamily. they‘ re being supported by specialist trained officers. at this time of year, this beach would be humming with people. now it's empty, closed by the police as the investigation into what happened here continues. caroline davies, bbc news. pressure continues to mount on the former foreign secretary borisjohnson this morning — as mps within his own party criticise the newspaper article he wrote about muslim women who wear full—face veils. mrjohnson wrote that women who wear burias or niqabs look like "letter boxes" and "bank robbers". the ministerfor sport and civil society, tracey crouch, has told the bbc she's ‘saddened by his deliberate choice of words'. northamptonshire county councillors will be asked to approve drastic cuts to jobs and services, when they hold an emergency meeting later this morning. they're considering a plan

to combat a £70 million budget shortfall. the council has already said it's likely to have to reduce services for vulnerable adults and children to a legal minimum, sparking a warning from the children's commissioner for england that it could have "catastrophic consequences". argentina's senate has rejected a bill which would have legalised abortion in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy. after a marathon debate, 38 senators voted against it and 31 in favour. its defeat means lawmakers must wait until next year to resubmit legislation. currently abortion is allowed in argentina only in cases of rape, or if the mother's health is in danger. another strong tremor has hit the indonesian island of lombok as the number of people killed by sunday's earthquake is still climbing and unclear. the 5.9 magnitude quake brought down buildings as rescue workers continue to dig through rubble to get aid to survivors. the official number

of dead stands at 131 — but local media are reporting figures of more than 300. the government says over 150,000 people have been displaced. lawyers in london representing the family of the murdered maltese journalist daphne caruana galizia are submitting a legal document to the government of malta today. it calls for a public inquiry into her assassination in a car bombing last october. regular physical activity three to five times a week is the optimal amount for improving mental well—being, according to research published in the medical journal the lancet. more than a million people took part in a study in the united states which found that all types of activity, including housework and mowing the lawn, were found to be positive but overdoing things was counter—productive. 0ur health reporter laura foster has more. it's long been known that exercise keeps the body healthy, and now we're really beginning to learn more about the effect it

has on the mind. switch! new research, which surveyed more than a million people, found that those who exercised said they suffered from poor mental health less often than those who didn't. it's one of the reasons people come to this running club in didsbury. go, go, go, go, go! i feel really good coming away from it. so no matter how your day's been, you know, if you push yourself, you're going to be happy at the end of it. exercise in general is the best way by far for me to de—stress. it gives me a lot of freedom and confidence, and it's helped me get over a lot of depression. the strength of the impact is also linked to how much time was spent exercising. the biggest reduction in poor mental health came when people exercised for between half an hour to an hour at a time. if you exercised for an hour and a half, you'd still see an improvement, but it would be smaller. but the survey suggests there can be such a thing as too much exercise. being active for more than three hours a day was associated with worse mental health

than not exercising at all. but does being inactive lead to poorer mental health, or does poorer mental health mean you're less likely to get active? at this point, experts can't determine which one causes the other. laura foster, bbc news. hollywood actor brad pitt has rejected claims made by his ex—wife that he's failed to support their children, saying they're a "thinly—veiled effort to manipulate media coverage". angelina jolie claims he's paid no meaningful child support since their split in 2016, but his lawyers say he's paid over $1.3 million in bills and loaned her $8 million to buy a house. if you've ever found yourself watching the oscars, thinking you've never heard of half the winning films, then a new category could be of interest. the academy is introducing an outstanding achievement in popularfilm award. it means movies which are popular with cinema—goers but less

so with critics will be more likely to win an oscar. the changes will take effect from february next year. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. those comments by borisjohnson about the niqab and the burqa are getting a strong response. "0h, please, don't give him any more attention, it is nothing more than a cynical bid for the ukip vote and by debating it, the media play to his agenda". nick says, "he was looking to make a shock statement to keep himself in the public domain and has exceeded". we are going to be talking more about it with a group of muslim women in the studio. welcome to all of you and we will be talking about the choices they have made and what they think about the wider debate. let's get some sport. 0lly foster is at the bbc sport centre. it is the eighth day of the european

championships and across scotland as well, adam peaty got the only goal for great britain in the 50 metres breaststroke. great britain are still second in the medal table, very proudly, who won two of those modus great britain, laura kenney. good morning. you your two gold medals, as part of your comeback after you had baby albie. are you on track? i'd like to think so. i guess i always thought a year after giving birth would be what everyone is calling my comeback so to come away with two gold medals, i'm pretty pleased with it, to be honest and one being in the olympic event, the tea m one being in the olympic event, the team pursuit is in the olympics. i'd like to think so. what now? what is the grand plan? qualifying for cycling is a two—year process so it sta rts cycling is a two—year process so it starts now, it started with the euros, that is a good points haul and that is a stepping stone to the world cups, there's one at the end of october that i will be doing and

then one in london december in that i will hopefully get selected for. then i have two cycles, the world's and then the world is again next year. four olympic golds, 12 european goals, seven world championship gold medals, plenty more to be won. how are you finding things being a mother coming back and competing but still winning gold? i mean, it is hard, it is difficult. you get the instagram life where you get all the nice things and everyone thinks it is nice and easy and rosie and it's not. we have hard days. the tweets from so we mo williams the other day having mum guilt, i know where she is coming from, you feel like that. the elimination race, for example at the euros, it is not an olympic event although it is in the 0lympics, it is not stand alone. in the morning, albie was so unsettled andi the morning, albie was so unsettled and i wondered why i was leaving him to go and do the race because it has no bearing on 0lympic selection. but you know, when you go there, and he was with my mum and jason that day

because jason had already raised. when you go and then get on the bike, like, that was what i did it for, what it was about because he would not get the experiences without us competing. do you take heart from fellow athletes and someone at the top of their game like serena williams being so open and honest, pulling out of a tournament saying she can't do it? definitely, it gives you the reassurance you are not the only one feeling like that. like you say, she publicises the good and the bad and i think that's great. not only for other athletes trying to get back into sport but for mums in all walks of life. it is difficult. you get the feeling you should look after your baby 24—7 and it should be your job. it is not. you can share the workload and you can do both if you put your mind to it. but you still have the drive and the time on your side to go for tokyo in two years' time? hopefully, that is the end goal, i want to go to tokyo and try

to come away with another gold medal. laura kenney, thank you for joining us and congratulations on your two gold medals in glasgow on the track. all of the action is already up and running and we will have the latest on that and all the headlines in the next half an hour. "letter—boxes" or " bank robbers". borisjohnson's description of women who wear the full face veil. it has prompted calls for him to be disciplined by the party. ruth davidson, leader of the scottish conservatives, is the latest to weigh in, saying that the former foreign secretary's remarks were gratuitously offensive. ina in a moment we will be talking to four muslim women in the studio about his comments and their thoughts on wearing the veil. borisjohnson made his comments in a newspaper article in which he was actually arguing against a law that's come into force in denmark, banning the wearing of full—face islamic veils in public places. we've spoken exclusively to one woman in denmark who says she was issued with a fine last week for wearing a niqab. she says she informed by the police

that she would receive a fine ofjust over £100 but the danish police have not confirmed this to us. she doesn't want us to use her real name. she wants to be known as umm 0mar. i was at a mall with a friend. i just got off work, and we were going up the escalator, and i turn around and i noticed this woman staring at me, so i stare back at her. and she keeps looking at me, and then she does...like this. she keeps doing this. and i don't know what that means, so i ask, "is there something you want to say?" and she just gives me this really smart laugh, so now we get up the escalator and i ask her, "is there something you want to say?" and then she decides to push me here on my shoulder, like, she does this. and i tell her if she does that again that she will regret it, and she does it again.

so i get closer to her so i can push back, and before i do that she grabs my niqab like this, with both hands, and she pulls it off me. and then we get into a fight, and the friend that was with me, she gets in the middle of it, and she tries to get me off. so you were fined for the fight, but also wearing the veil, because that is illegal now in denmark? yeah, i was fined 3000 krone for the fight and 1000 krone for the niqab. what is your interpretation of the interaction that you had with the other woman? i mean, putting a thumbs up would be seen by many as actually, you know, being a sort of sign to say something is ok. you felt she was communicating something different? i mean, i have no doubt in my mind that she didn't like the way i looked and that she hated it, and that's why she felt like she had the right to take it off me, and i'm pretty sure that it's because of this new law that people think that they can just do it the way they want to and not care

about that actually there is a law and there is the police that can handle these things. i mean, supporters of the ban say it's because of enabling better integration by muslims in danish society. how do you see it? but how so? because i work, i study, i've been working on my life. i work full—time, and i'm also a mum. i mean, i providejust as much to the society as everyone else does. just because i cover my face does not mean i don't have a face under it. i'm still a human. i still work, i still study. i do the same things you do. in that context, though, where you did get involved, the two of you, you know, in a sort of altercation, she couldn't see beyond the veil. it was something that came between the two of you, and actually lead to potentially a different outcome. well, yeah, but to her surprise

there was a human under this, and i have a mouth and i can defend myself, and i don't mind people saying crazy or nasty things to me on the street because i'm used to that, butjust don't put your hands on me. why do you choose to wear the veil? because this is a part of me, this is my religion. this is what i want to do, and i have a free choice to do that. and this country keeps talking about freedom of religion and freedom of speech and freedom of everything else, so why don't i have the freedom to choose what i want to wear? sorry to interrupt. has it always been a matter of free choice for you? yes, no one ever forced me to wear this, and no one can force me to wear it and no one can force me to take it off. how did the police react, when they came to you? they felt really bad because she told police that i was one attacking her, and when they saw the video, the surveillance, they saw that she was the one attacking me, so they kept apologising and saying

that they didn't like to give me the ticket but that they had to do it, and they kept apologising and saying how sorry they were. did they tell you you had to take the veil off? no, they did not. so what happened then? because obviously, as we've said, it's illegal for you to wear it in public. they allowed you to carry on wearing it, did they? yeah, nothing happened. they gave me the tickets, they gave me the fines, and he told me, "despite everything, i hope you have a good day," and i told him, "i have to go, because i have somewhere that i need to be," and hejust said, "ok, good day." and that was it. he never told me to take it off and he never told me to leave. i mean, you're wearing it outside now. presumably, the fact that you're wearing it in a public place now means you are currently breaking the law? yeah, i'm a criminal. even if i want to go outside to the playground with my kids, i can't do that because i'm a criminal. i can't go to the shop and buy milk

because i'm a criminal, so criminals are not allowed to buy milk. just because of the way i look. what will you do? will you stop wearing it? no, i will never stop wearing it because this is my right and i'm pretty sure that this law goes against human rights. this is not ok and i'm not going to surrender to a law that doesn't accept me as a human being just because they don't understand it. it's ignorance. so would you go back to the shopping centre wearing the veil again? yeah, i will. and you run the risk every time of being fined? i run the risk every single time i go out in the morning to drop my kids off to school, every time i want to go out and do the laundry, every time i step outside of my door — i don't know, i can be attacked, i can be...so much, because i'm the criminal. will you pay the fine? yes, i will. why will you pay it if you disagree with the law, and you're prepared to keep going out and effectively being fined? because not paying the fine is just another break of the law,

and i don't think that this is ok for them to ban, but if i get a ticket i will of course pay it, that's what i told you before, that i provide just as much to the society as everyone else does. and if they give me a fine, then i will pay it, but i'm not going to surrender and take it off and say, "ok, just because you give me a fine then i will not look like this." i didn't do anything wrong. i'm just being me, and if that's a crime then something is wrong with them and not me. you said at the beginning that you were pretty sure that the woman that you were involved in the confrontation within the shopping mall felt emboldened to react against you in the way that she did because of the ban.

have things changed for you since the ban came in? yeah, ifeel like people have become more aggressive, and they feel that they have more of a right to say what they want and do what they want now. before it was just people shaking their head and making comments, but now people get really close to me, and they are really aggressive. so can you describe other occasions when things have happened? what else has happened? well, yesterday i was outside on the playground with my kids and someone decided to call the police because a criminal was there, so the police had to come and tell us to leave, and i was just sat with the kids playing, i wasn't doing anything wrong, but i was told to leave. and on that occasion they didn't give you a fine? no, they did not, because when they looked up my name they could see that i had just got the ticket some days before that, so they just told me to leave. i mean, it's interesting, because if they're not fining you because you've previously had a fine — does that kind of give you a message that you've been fined once, therefore you've now got impunity from being fined again? no, i think that behind the uniform there is a human being that understands that this law is not

right, and just because they're wearing a uniform does not mean that they don't feel sorry for us. i mean, the police didn't take this law. if the politicians, and it's just not right, so if i was a police officer and i saw someone with the niqab i wouldn't give them a fine, because it's not right. so i have to come and tell you to pay 1000 kronejust for the way you look? it is said that there is no basis in islam for wearing the niqab. you say that you do it for religious reasons. in an article in the spectator, a woman called qanta ahmed has said that literal interpretations of the veil are derived from cultural misogyny. but that's not true. if you look at the koran, you will see there are multiple versions about the hijab and the niqab, and of course there are different interpretations of how you want to see that verse, but i choose to believe that the verses are about the niqab, and that's why i wear it.

i'm not sure if you're aware of the comments in this country by borisjohnson that have proved to be quite inflammatory describing the niqab as a letterbox, describing women who wear it as looking like bank robbers. how do you respond to those comments? imean... it's pretty disgusting, but i want to say that the only thing that's being robbed is my freedom, and he must have seen a lot of bank robbers in his life... i mean, it'sjust disgusting. the only thing that's been robbed, that's my freedom. i'm not a bank robber — i never robbed anybody, i never broke the law besides wearing this, and he must be very ignorant and have no sense of... i can't even... it's just crazy. i can't even understand how someone can vote for a guy like that. thank you very much for taking the time to talk to us. thank you. you're welcome. speaking to us earlier from denmark,

where the ban has come into force. how do muslim women in the uk feel about the comments from boris johnson? and what motivates their choices either to wear a full face veil like the burqa or the niqab, ora hijab, or indeed no head covering at all? we have with as a group of women. we have with us mabruka beik who has worn a hijab since she was 12 years old. sahar al—faifi, who chooses to wear a niqab, even though herfamily would prefer her not to. salima boukayoua, a fashion model who never wears any form of veil or head covering and huda jawad, who is a gender activist. yourfamily do your family do not want you to wear it but you choose, in terms of your

choices and what is going on, the conversation we have just heard, boris johnson's comments, what conversation we have just heard, borisjohnson's comments, what are you feeling about it? his comments are you feeling about it? his comments a re clearly you feeling about it? his comments are clearly islamophobic and racist, it is nothing but a dog whistle statement, dehumanising and criminalising women who choose to wear the face veil and he seems to wa nt to wear the face veil and he seems to want to increase his political profile at the spencer my safety. i am all forfreedom profile at the spencer my safety. i am all for freedom of speech but it comes with responsibility and freedom of speech is not freedom of hate and bigotry, because of his comments, i am sure that there will bea comments, i am sure that there will be a spark in islamophobic abuse which can be verbal or physical. his article actually says, has the comments that have been inflammatory, but the headline is, he says it is oppressive and ridiculous but it is still no reason

for there to be a ban. why is it oppressive? if these women chose to wear face oppressive? if these women chose to wearface veil out of oppressive? if these women chose to wear face veil out of conviction of faith, and it is part of their identity, no one is forcing them to wear it, why is it oppressive? the problem is that we are having now white middle aged men telling us what we should believe in and what we shouldn't, i find that patronising. have you ever felt any pressure from anyone to cover yourself? no, absolutely not, i am a strong woman, no way that anyone can force me to do anything. you are a very well qualified scientist. force me to do anything. you are a very well qualified scientistlj force me to do anything. you are a very well qualified scientist. i am a geneticist and i have even passed level one skydiving, i am not a letterbox, i am a skydiver, if anything(!) i have a nickname among my friends and colleagues, i am a

rebel girl, i my friends and colleagues, i am a rebelgirl, iam. my friends and colleagues, i am a rebel girl, i am. you are a model, you are a muslim, you choose not to wear it. i do not where any form of it other than when i go to mosque, when it is required. in moroccan culture it is that we use it after marriage, you can see that in morocco and the uk, some do, some do not, i personally do not feel like i need to, ijust don't want to. you feel that very strongly, that religion aside, you are doing what is your free choice. yes, i feel empowered by showing my hair and she feels empowered by wearing a full veil. if you were in a context where you were forced... if i was forced doubled if you were forced to wear or not. i'm against forcing. i would

never feel the need to. my parents have never it, none of my family. i feel quite free about it, it is not something i feel like i need to do but i feel like comments from boris johnson, someone who was the mayor london, a very diverse city, someone we now london, a very diverse city, someone we now have a mayor who is muslim, you would think he would not be making these stupid remarks, and he is now making these islamophobic remarks and it is quite silly because you have someone who is saying she is a rebel, a scientist... skydiver! as if i knew he would make the comments that i passed my skydiving! she is a class a feminist and she feels empowered. you have been wearing the hijab since you were 12. yes. was it a lwa ys since you were 12. yes. was it always free choice for you? to be honest, i was encouraged by my family to do so but as i grew older, i felt it was part of my identity

andl i felt it was part of my identity and i felt it was my freedom to wear one and right now, if i wanted to ta ke one and right now, if i wanted to take it off by good but i don't want to. i feel it has made me, it's part of me. so initially when you are being encouraged, how did you feel about it? i felt all right because i read into my religion myself and i thought it was something special so i chose to where it but i would say that my parents encouraged me. what was the context around that? were you at a school where others were wearing it? at the age of 12, in school, if you are wearing something that marks you out, it is something for discussion. the school i went to was quite multicultural and other girls were wearing it. i didn't feel weird about it because i was confident about the decisions and choices i made. did you feel it ever impacted on integration with other communities? oh, well, at a young e, communities? oh, well, at a young age, i felt like it did not conflict with my british values. you know, respect and tolerance. but as i grew

older, i felt a bit that society is sort of trying to alienate women who wear headscarves. interesting you talk about british values of respect and tolerance that you feel you have. have all of you felt that has been always reflected the other way? i feel like boris johnson's been always reflected the other way? i feel like borisjohnson's comments are the ones that are conflicting with british values and not our choice of clothing. with british values, it is all about tolerance, respecting the faiths of other people. and lots of people conflate assimilation with integration but when you integrate with society, your active citizen, participating in public life but what you see from the far right or some of the centre—right propagating is that muslims should integrate, when they mean they should assimilate, meaning you have to lose everything, your identity, yourfaith, into the major component of the society, until you

become unrecognisable. we have to make a distinction between assimilation and integration. we live in a diverse society. in the conversation with umm 0mar, there was an encounter and a hannes aigner was an encounter and a hannes aigner was made that would seem to indicate —— a hand signal was made which is normally shorthand for everything's 0k normally shorthand for everything's ok but she interpreted it in a different way, the mask was a barrier to communication and lack of understanding. —— there was lack of understanding. —— there was lack of understanding on both sides. if you feel —— do you feel when you are encountering someone wearing the niqab and there's a lack of understanding, that it can be accomplished at how of a barrier do you think it is? it can definitely be overcome, statistically speaking, a lot of communication is body gestures and your voice, it is not really your facial expression. gestures and your voice, it is not really yourfacial expression. i'm not saying it means it will never be a barrier, it might be, in a few

cases but from my experience, i have never had a problem with my lab colleagues, communicating or talking to them about my ideas or anything like that. the communication is a minor argument. that is why i always like to focus or tell people about the bigger picture. it is never about the niqab or the hijab or any of that. i was going to say what is really interesting is that we are using the idea of physicality and appearance as a way to kind of say, well, this is what marks you out as a cce pta ble well, this is what marks you out as acceptable or not, which is exactly what misogynists have been saying for thousands of years. what is also interesting is that we are making it the responsibility of communication upon the people who are not seeing a problem so the people who have responsibility, that can actively ove rco m e responsibility, that can actively overcome the barrier, that is in their own overcome the barrier, that is in theirown mind, are overcome the barrier, that is in their own mind, are let off from the responsibility. don't you feel there's any misogyny at all around there's any misogyny at all around

the wearing of the veil, covering yourself up? men don't have to do the same. i think the patriarch you will use whatever tools it has to ensure that misogyny exists. —— the patriarchy. misogyny can exist in pawn cottle, pornography, advertising, literature, politics and as we all know from the recent movements like like me to and time is up, no one is safe from misogyny. what is central is women's choices and the fact that people assume it is ok and they have the right to decide on what women should wear and how to where it and went to where it. it brings us back to freedom of choice. there are countries where women don't have the choice. would you feel differently, have you ever beenin you feel differently, have you ever been in an environment where you have had to where it? no, i never have had to where it? no, i never have but what i find interesting about the debate is that we are consta ntly about the debate is that we are constantly deflecting about what happens in other countries. we are talking about a british politician

who was the mayor of london. you know, he was very responsible and measured in what he chose to say and what is really interesting is that we what is really interesting is that we continuously find ourselves talking about, "0h, we continuously find ourselves talking about, "oh, the values of liberal democracy, what happens in other countries" and we are defining ourselves in terms of what the other is and not what we are. i feel like it is very important that we need to say that women are not there as cannon fodder be your career, boris johnson. we are here, we have choices and we can speak for ourselves. what is important today and this is why i am here is to highlight the fact that boris johnson's remarks, we are going to see the effects for many years to come. the effect is destructive. his effects are the reason why people are having these negative encounters on the street, because he needs to understand that he has a responsibility because of the position of authority he is in. that is somebody‘s mother you are saying

is somebody‘s mother you are saying isa bank is somebody‘s mother you are saying is a bank robber. i mean, for the next generation, her children, how do you expect them to integrate? it is like he is continuing to marginalise a section of society. at the same time, he said he does not support the ban in denmark. that is technical, he'sjust... technically, he's banning it. why do you say that? because people might choose not to read because... because they will be fearing for their lives. he's very influential in the political arena and if he is making remarks like that, what does that say for the conservative party? our life is already difficult, we faced disk rumination against our faith, our race and our colour, when it comes to the workplace, a la gender, everything. and now we have these comments legitimising further hate crimes. have any of you experienced anything different since these comments were to mark yes. yesterday. it was immediate, wasn't it? i was on the phone to a youth

worker from the positive youth foundation, a charity we have in coventry who work with 57 nationalities and they help marginalised children and she said to me she's had complaints from girls saying people were throwing stones at them on the road. this was on the phone yesterday. obviously you don't where avail but would it make any of you three change would you do? she doesn't wear the veil but she would face discrimination... me, personally, since his comments, no but as a muslim woman i have faced racism in the past. my mum wears hijab and so does my older sister, all of my family who are married do. when you add with them, do they experienced this? never personally with my mum but she has told me it has happened. it has a triple effect on the family, it has an effect on the mental health of the victim. exactly. i know a case with sisters, one of them wears the

niqab and the other one does not wear any covering, and the sister who does not wear the hijab feels frightened for her sister. she does not allow her to go out on her own. the woman who wears the niqab is limiting her movement. she's asking her sister to go with her wherever she goes. this is quite common. according to polling, the majority in this country don't think boris johnson's comments were inflammatory and would support a ban on the burqa and would support a ban on the burqa and the niqab. is this the sky news poll? i think there have been a few different ones. statistics are quite objective in a way and who are you asking, who is responding to the polls? i think what it is, today, what we have to talk about is the solution. for example, there's quite a bit of cognitive dissonance going on, for example in commentary we have the city of culture, but we

have the city of culture, but we have got comments like from boris johnson which explodes that he is hindering all efforts of multiculturalism. i think that is something we have to deal with. i think the date is important, like nigel farage yesterday, he made a comment saying that politicians aren't happy with what borisjohnson said but the country is happy and today, we are here saying that the country isn't happy with what you are saying. how can you be more british than us? i want to read some comments coming through on social media, linda says, "my brother is deaf and lip—read, he went into a shop and when he went to pay he did not know what the assistant said because her mouth was covered and she refused to remove her veil. the manager had to be called and served my brother but my brother felt he was competing humiliated because he was competing humiliated because he was holding up the cube and it emphasised is disability. why was she serving on a still? a lot of people who can only partially need to be to lip—read". how do you feel about that? i don't think it is a common case. but in that instance,

where it is a barrier to communication, would somebody take it off? what is the best solution. personally, i have never had a problem with taking off the veil when it's needed. i mean, if i was in an airport, i would take it off without asking because i know there isa without asking because i know there is a need. if there was a deaf person who i had to communicate with and my lip movement was vital, i personally don't have a problem with taking it. what i have a problem with is the politicisation of the whole thing, to use the niqab as a tool to demonise a segment of society who happened to be women and i find it very difficult to accept somebody like boris johnson to i find it very difficult to accept somebody like borisjohnson to be profiled with in his political circle in the expenses of my safety and my choice. if you are happy to ta ke and my choice. if you are happy to take it off in certain situations, just explain exactly why it is that you do want your face to be covered?

this is also one of the things boris johnson said in his article, that the koran does not say this, as patronising as it sounds but in the koran, it says for women it is recommended to lower down their garments, and garments has different interpretations, which gives the freedom for women to express their faith or identity the way they want. so my understanding is that i will wear it as much as i can, wherever i go and if there is exception, or exceptional cases, i'm more than happy to take it off and put it back again. there is no basis in is lamb for this, it is said. —— again. there is no basis in is lamb forthis, it is said. —— in islam. whether it is not, women's clothing should be out of the question, we wear what we want. and i want to send a message to young girls out there, you don't have to want to do anyone about what you where and why you wear red, this is your freedom, your body. you and your body. have

your body. you and your body. have you seen the spectator article which has been discussed a lot? says it welcomes the comments from boris johnson. that's their opinion. she says she was forced to wear the veil in saudi arabia and then she would not where it afterwards. she describes it as a symbol of cultural misogyny and apolitical marker of islamist sympathies. —— our political marker. it is clearly something that was not made for her. women can choose to subvert the symbols and they are evolving. something that has become a cultural symbol of misogyny can evolve. culture is not fixed, not static. it is evolving and we have a choice and agency. what i find interesting is that we are constantly searching and asking people tojustify that we are constantly searching and asking people to justify their choices, whether it is religious or not, whether it is in the koran or not, whether it is in the koran or not, that's beside the point. what is important is that a middle—class white man with power who is

completely out of touch with society has chosen to make sure that he gets his populist kind of following through attacking the most vulnerable. we're not talking about brexit, not talking about the meltdown of the political situation in the conservative party or politics in general. we're not talking about the coming. we've chosen to talk about a minority of women chosen to talk about a minority of women who are chosen to talk about a minority of women who are very chosen to talk about a minority of women who are very active in society but choose to wear different forms of clothing. what has that got to do with him? an anonymous text says the lady from denmark we spoke to police it is against her human rights. visitors to islamic countries have to abide by their laws which can be very harsh so why cod we choose our laws ? very harsh so why cod we choose our laws? i'm not defending johnson, he's no more than a donald trump type political clown mouth making lots of money. we are citizens of this country and we are british. so for example, should we say, in some countries they torture prisoners so we are saying it is ok in the uk to shout at prisoners and treat them

memorably because in another country they are tortured? —— treat them badly. we should not be comparing the situation in our country to other values. what we were saying about the basis of whether there is religious basis or not, the holy koran only advises women to wear a modestly, not to cover their faces. that is her interpretation. that is howl interpreted but i would never say, you are incorrect. she feels comfortable and empowered, to single out herself, put it on, and walk confidently down the street. i don't see confidently down the street. i don't see why anyone can tell her not to. 0nce see why anyone can tell her not to. once again, women's clothes it should be out of the question. in denmark it is notjust a ban on the niqab and the burger, it is broader, it is about balaclava, it is about all of that. —— burka. it is about balaclava, it is about all of that. -- burka. they have so

many laws introduced recently that stigmatise minority and people of colour, only two months ago they passed a law where they can take a child from a family who lives in the so—called ghettos, the most deprived society, away for a number of hours to be taught danish values. this kind of superimposition of values within the most deprived. we are almost out of time, do you think it is constructive to be having these discussions? whatever you think of what boris johnson discussions? whatever you think of what borisjohnson has said, it has created a discussion, is that always good? we should always bring, whenever he attacks the vulnerable, no, we are not happy about this, we are part of the society, what makes you more british than us? as long as it does not further alienation and we it does not further alienation and we do not get further sparks in

islamophobia, then i think were there should be decent discussions. the last point which is discussion, no one is standing up, so minute people sitting on the fence. that is not true, the prime minister has criticised strongly his remarks. he has said —— she has said he should apologise. lots of people have said it is unacceptable. she has come out and said it. we have elected you to represent our values, nonetheless, women should be dictating the debate, not men. the culture minister... i was discussing, the white feminists, their outrage is completely mist, where are they, we need to have more women to speak on their behalf, these platforms, we need more dialogue and discussion to promote mutual respect and understanding for all. —— promote mutual respect and understanding forall. —— mist. great to have all of you in to discuss this, thank you for your comments, we were inundated

yesterday with comments on boris johnson's comments then, and as we have seen, reaction is continuing, keep your thoughts coming in. also coming up, we will be speaking with some of those affected by eating disorders, new figures from the nhs show how you long children and young people are waiting for treatment. hundreds of thousands of children could be falling behind before they even start school because they do not have a specially qualified early years teacher. that's according to the save the children charity which says there's a shortage of around 11,000 early years teachers in england. the charity has accused the government of "lowering ambitions for childcare quality" and warns that without action, ministers will be "letting down our next generation". let's speak now tojune 0'sullivan, who runs almost a0 nurseries

across london, and nursery teacher skye mckenley. from the british association for early childhood education is beatrice merrick. and in our southampton studio is david wright, who manages a number of nurseries and early years centres across the city. you run 1a hazard is, do you have issues around getting the qualified teachers question my —— you run a0 nurseries. the report is an interesting one but it tries to have one solution to a rather complex set of problems, we have a recruitment crisis, that was broken some years ago, trying to respond to that still, so that the basic level threes we are short of anyway, graduates... level three is what? threes we are short of anyway, graduates... levelthree is what? a level equivalent, and then graduate, no one is going to not want to have

a graduate leader, half my nurseries are managed by graduate leaders, but just to get ordinary staff at the moment is a challenge. have you got staff who are not even at level three? we have two depend on agency staff, what we call bank staff quite often, there is a 25,000 shortage of early years staff am a policy decision to have certain gcses as entry requirements, there was insufficient staff to meet that qualification, so we are still picking up from that. save the children is talking about there not being and a fully qualified teachers at early years level. is it a problem? at early years level. is it a problem ? 0bviously at early years level. is it a problem ? obviously you at early years level. is it a problem? obviously you are saying there is a recruitment problem. but in terms of the impact on kids, does the level of qualification of the person teaching them matter? well, i

would say, it is slightly more complicated, the level of qualification is certainly a factor, definite correlation between graduate leaders and leading nurseries in disadvantaged areas but also for me it is a question of experience, capability, you know, attitude, willingness to learn, and we have been recruiting all the time, constantly, and cannot guarantee that just time, constantly, and cannot guarantee thatjust because you are a graduate you actually present with the right set of attributes that you need to firstly like children! laughter thatis laughter that is the starting point! but also, have a creative, interesting approach to how you will teach them. and quality is driven by people who are constantly reflecting and rethinking and considering and learning more. children interested in dinosaurs, if they want to learn more, like a four—year—old boy, it

is that set of attributes which helps. sometimes just saying, is that set of attributes which helps. sometimesjust saying, it is a graduate, it is a level three, it is not help, particularly when we have a government which puts no money into training and has just announced £20 million, if you divide that among the 300,000 working, then you get £67 per person, not going to do much! you have a foundation degree, you started out without one, so what is your perspective on whether it matters or not for the children and the kids in your care? i started with the company at 19, i did the apprenticeship, i came in having no knowledge of early years at all, and... that must have been a baptism of fire, with the children. you think that you are going to play with them, have lunch, doing the apprenticeship while working, it opened up all these different perspectives, on how i, as a single

person, could just impact the children hugely without even knowing it, and that gave me the confidence of going on to do my foundation degree because i was able to learn while i work. bring in david wright, you run a number of nurseries. what is your view of whether early years teachers should have a degree. is your view of whether early years teachers should have a degreelj have been listening to the other people who have been giving their views and i would very much agree with what june has said, views and i would very much agree with whatjune has said, it is about attitude as much as it is about having a deep understanding of children's development needs. whilst qualifications are important, and training, we are looking for people who subscribe to our ethos, and within our nurseries, we have a very simple motto, love, laughter, learning. why would suggest the first two of those are vital. —— i would suggest. we need people who

love children and want to have laughter with them and enjoy what they are doing. that is how children learn. yes, we do have graduates, andl learn. yes, we do have graduates, and i myself am a graduates, early years, and! and i myself am a graduates, early years, and i think that helps, because we understand, but we have to have an holistic view of children's development needs, to say that children are missing out in some that children are missing out in some respect, because they don't have qualified teachers, does a huge disservice to the many colleagues already providing great service and teaching to our children. have save the children got this wrong? no, they have it right, all research, another report came out yesterday from the education policy institute, which reviewed literature from the last ten years and showed it makes a difference to have somebody with a bachelors degree in early childhood education leading a set. the

governments own study of early education and development showed that it makes a difference to the quality of the children's education outcomes. that mix of graduates, level threes, and people who really have a solid understanding of childhood development is vital to give children the best chance, and especially children from the most disadvantaged backgrounds. does it put that perspective for learning at the top of the pile when you have the top of the pile when you have the three qualities david was talking about, what does that do? children need to be happy and settled before they can learn, absolutely, children's welfare is absolutely, children's welfare is absolutely vital. but, young children learn all the time. you cannot separate out the care and the education, every moment for a young child, they are learning about interactions, learning language, learning about things around them. that learning is integral, and you can boosted if you understand the

processes , can boosted if you understand the processes, and parents do this all the time as well, parents are children's first teachers, they are the ones teaching them because all those interactions, they are how we learn about the world. how rigorous is it, when kids are little, it is all about playing, isn't it? but it is a deep science, people fail to understand that, at the top level you see a game, and activity, something wonderful that we do in a nursery, but actually it is understanding how a child brain is operating, it is about teaming occasion, about how you extend children. it is very deep and rich, actually, and not well understood, we get hooked up into qualifications. what i would really like is a big debate for parents to understand what play is telling you about what the children are learning, and what you need to know to understand those children, when you set up an activity, behind that,

you set up an activity, behind that, you have a series of thoughts about what they want to learn as a consequence, for example, we have been doing work on yoga, children are stressed. when you look at how they use their bodies, it is also preparing them for understanding spatial awareness, preparing them for mathematical understanding and using their hands, learning to draw and write. all those things. i am not sure being a graduate, being level three, will make a difference to the explanation, it is the capability, the confidence, and the wider understanding. do we need to be thinking differently about those who are leading young kids, how they are being trained, versus those in other places. it requires completely different skills. entirely, and one of the things that we could do, and i think you in a powerful position to do this, is to explain what play

looks like in terms of learning. i think that is really helpful. there isa think that is really helpful. there is a raft of training, just about to engage in our own degree with the university of all the hampton, we have a pedagogy which is based around language and literacy as the co re around language and literacy as the core of everything, but also enjoying involving multi—generations, all of those things are important. what we don't haveis things are important. what we don't have is a great conversation across the country about what this learning look like when you are three years old. in a nutshell... how would you describe it? finally enough, i have just come from my nursery, so my children are assessed with potion making, it is all these different kind of smells, flowers, making their own stews. they don't realise that they are learning how to have control of the jug, to pour the water or their potions. so, control of the jug, to pour the water ortheir potions. so, later on, they can make themselves a drink, turn on the kettle, doing

measuring as well, how much ingredients they need to make this type of potion, talking about colours and mixing. adding words in there that they have never heard of before, that helps to extend language. so, from the adults perspective, a lot of patients is required. —— patience. them with others in between as you can see but a very different story across east anglia south—east england. more cloud and outbreaks of rain is something we have not seen a lot of recently. this will continue on and off through the day. it only slowly clears the way south and east. behind that, spells of

sunshine. for much of england and wales, a lot of dry weather but showers around, most frequent across the western isles of scotland. where we have showers and rain, temperatures struggling to get about 15 or 16 but in the sunshine, between 18—22. barely light winds for most but a noticeable breeze for the far south—west of england and the far south—west of england and the western isles of scotland. let's zooming slightly closer and have a better look at this area of rain across south—east england and east anglia, still with us through the evening, eventually moving away north and eastwards, into the near continent, eventually into scandinavia. 0vernight, clear skies but also further showers feeding into western areas of the uk. under clear skies, we could see temperatures as low as four or five for some rural spots but generally holding up to between 9—12 in the centre of town is and night competitor recently. this is how we look as we go into friday. low pressure now well away into scandinavia but a feed from off the

atla ntic scandinavia but a feed from off the atlantic and a noticeable breeze, a fresher feel and more showers. atlantic and a noticeable breeze, a fresherfeel and more showers. in the morning, mainly concentrated across western parts of the uk but they will slowly filter eastwards through the day and if you catch one, it could well be sharp. in between, spells of sunshine and that will help temperatures up to 21 or 22. temperatures going up and down like a yo—yo where we get the showers, only 16 or 17 in the rain. quick look at the weekend because there is still some uncertainty after the track of this low—pressure area but looks like we will see wetter and windier weather through the weekend. the main concentration of the rain probably across scotland, northern ireland, northern england and parts of wales. it won't be raining all the time and it looks like the driest weather through the weekend will be across more southern and eastern areas where we will still see some spells of sunshine but i would not rule out any showers. goodbye. hello, it's thursday, it's 10 o'clock.

i'm joanna gosling. it's 10 o'clock. there have been more calls for borisjohnson to be disciplined by his party for saying the full face veil makes women look like "bank robbers" and "letter boxes". we spoke exclusively to a woman in denmark who says she was issued with a fine for wearing a niqab in public. she had this to say about mrjohnson's comments. it's just disgusting. the only thing that has been robbed is my freedom. i'm not a bank robber. i never robbed anybody. i never broke the law besides wearing this and he must be very ignorant and have no sense of... i can't even... it's just crazy. i mean, i can't even understand how someone can vote for a guy like that. also this morning — new nhs figures show that one in four children and young people in england with an urgent eating disorder wait for more than a week for treatment after they've been referred. we'll be speaking to families who have been affected. and we talk to footballer jermaine pennant about his troubled childhood, his successes

on the pitch, and his wild times off the pitch. he's here to talk about all of that, as his autobiography is published. good morning, it's 10 o'clock. here'sjulian is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the day's news. the united states has announced new sanctions against russia following its alleged role in the poisoning of a former spy and his daughter in salisbury. sergei and yulia skripal were targeted with a nerve agent in march, but later made a full recovery. the home secretary sajid javid has welcomed the move to impose sanctions tweeting that russia's use of chemical weapons has been reckless and would not go unchallenged. a nine—year—old girl has died after suffering serious head injuries in a rock fall in north yorkshire. part of a cliff collapsed onto the beach at seaton garth in staithes yesterday, where it's thought the girl was on holiday. part of the beach remains cordoned off. another strong tremor has hit

the indonesian island of lombok as the number of people killed by sunday's earthquake is still climbing. the 5.9 magnitude quake brought down buildings as rescue workers continue to dig through rubble to get aid to survivors. the official number of dead stands at 16a, but local media are reporting figures of more than 300. the government says over 150,000 people have been displaced. pressure continues to mount on the former foreign secretary borisjohnson this morning, as mps within his own party criticise the newspaper article he wrote about muslim women who wear full—face veils. mrjohnson wrote that women who wear burqas or niqabs look like "letter boxes" and "bank robbers". the ministerfor sport and civil society, tracey crouch, has told the bbc she's "saddened by his deliberate choice of words". the number of patients waiting more than 12 months for non—urgent surgery in england is at its highest level figures published this

morning show a sharp rise to more than 3,500 people — up from just over 500 in 201a. meanwhile, the number of patients waiting more than the 18—week target for routine operations is at the highest level in a decade at more than 500,000. northamptonshire county councillors will be asked to approve drastic cuts to jobs and services, when they hold an emergency meeting later this morning. they're considering a plan to combat a £70 million budget shortfall. the council has already said it's likely to have to reduce services for vulnerable adults and children to a legal minimum — sparking a warning from the children's commissioner for england that it could have "catastrophic consequences". lawyers in london representing the family of the murdered maltese journalist daphne caruana galizia are submitting a legal document to the government of malta today. it calls for a public inquiry into her assassination in a car

bombing last october. argentina's senate has rejected a bill which would have legalised abortion in the first 1a weeks of pregnancy. after a marathon debate, 38 senators voted against it and 31 in favour. its defeat means lawmakers must wait until next year to resubmit legislation. currently abortion is allowed in argentina only in cases of rape, or if the mother's health is in danger. regular physical activity three to five times a week is the optimal amount for improving mental well—being, according to research published in the medical journal the lancet. more than a million people took part in a study in the united states, which found that all types of activity, including housework and mowing the lawn, were found to be positive but overdoing things was counter—productive. hollywood actor brad pitt has rejected claims made by his ex—wife that he's failed to support their children,

saying they're a "thinly—veiled effort to manipulate media coverage". angelina jolie claims he's paid no meaningful child support since their split in 2016, but his lawyers say he's paid over $1.3 million in bills and loaned her $8 million to buy a house. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. lots of you getting in touch on boris johnson's comments and continuing comments as a result of the discussions we have been having today on the wearing of the veil and the niqab. i'm trying to get some of them up and i'm struggling with the technology so i can't bring you any right now but we will revisit some of them a bit later. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme —

please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport now. 0lly foster is at the bbc sport centre. good morning. the eighth day of competition at the multi—sport european championships is under way. this is taking place in germany and also scotland. just the one gold yesterday for great britain. that came from adam peaty in the pool in glasgow. the athletics has started in berlin and after the first discipline of the heptathlon, the sprint hurdles, katarina johnson—thompson is in fourth place. she's been in good form going into these championships, having won gold at the commonwealth games in april. the highjump, one of her strongest events, is starting shortly. also due to start inside the next hour is the second test against india. england are 1—0 up in the five—test series. patrick gearey is at lord's. good morning. isay good morning. i say it is due to

start but it's a bit drizzly. ben stokes was a big part of the victory at edgbaston for england but he is in court in bristol accused of affray. can they do without him? he was an incredibly important part of the first test victory on the final morning, taking the key wicket of virat kohli which turned how the morning went. his force of personality really changes games for england and they missed it so much in the ashes in australia and he will be difficult to replace. they have two options, they can go with chris woakes if they want a seam bowling option or they can go with moeen ali if they want a second spinner, you can probably offer a bit more with the bat. the decision will come when the tiles happened and we don't know when that will be because it is raining, summer has been suspended in north london, it's pretty miserable and we don't know how much play we will see all when we will stop which is frustrating. talking about people doing a bit with the bat, lee pope will be making his debut, coming in for the dropped dawid malan. —— 0liver pope.

the england top order is still so u nsettled, the england top order is still so unsettled, they don't know what they are doing there, they can't find any saddle top order. —— settled top order. yes, constantly jaffrey -- shovelling the back, 0llie pope is 20 but he looks about 15 and has not played many first—class matches but has impressed for surrey and england have seen something they like and have seen something they like and have decided to go with it which is a dramatic of the new regime under the new national selector, ed smith, who is trusting to giving users the chance but they will need to back him and give him a few tens magister get in so to is asking a lot. a big occasion for him at lord's get in so to is asking a lot. a big occasion for him at lords and he will be keen to get out there and get going but he might be frustrated by the weather in north london. it could be a day of sitting around which he won't want but we might get the weather clearing. does not look much like it at the moment, though. get back underneath the umbrella! thank you forjoining us. the transfer window in england closes at 5pm. as usual, lots of speculation floating around but one big deal was done late last night. chelsea have paid a world record fee for a goalkeeper, £71 million for athletic bilbao's

kepa arrizabalaga. he will replace thibaut courtois, who secured a move to real madrid. and the 19—year—old australian daniel arzani has joined manchester city from their partner club melbourne city. he was the youngest player at the world cup. he's expected to go straight back out on loan to help his development. if tra nsfer if transfer deadline day is your thing, you can follow all of the rumours and see if they become reality on the bbc sport website. i will be back with the headlines in about 20 minutes. the nhs has published several sets of figures this morning including the latest waiting times for non—urgent surgery and routine surgery. also, the figures on how long young people with eating disorders are waiting to see a specialist. we will be talking about those in a moment in more detail. we will have some people affected by thoseissues we will have some people affected by those issues joining we will have some people affected by

those issuesjoining us. 0ur correspondent sarah campbell is here to take us through the figures. let's start with waiting lists that affect hospitals. hospitals is the big headline figure out of the once released today and this is the number of patients waiting more than a yearfor nonurgent number of patients waiting more than a year for nonurgent surgery in england. it has risen sharply to more than 3500. that is the highest figure for six years. an increase of more than a00 injune. what is significant if there was a pledge in 201a significant if there was a pledge in 2014 by significant if there was a pledge in 201a by the then health secretary jeremy hunt saying that such waiting times were unacceptable and the list should be cleared and at that time, the number waiting more than 12 months was around 570 so obviously it has increased significantly since then. the other story coming from hospitals, a&e figures forjuly, record numbers going to a&e, attendance is just over 2 record numbers going to a&e, attendance isjust over 2 million. reasons for that, i mean, the perceived wisdom is that it is very busyin

perceived wisdom is that it is very busy in winter but actually, the nhs has been saying for several years thatis has been saying for several years that is not the case, it is just busy all year round and these figures seem to back that up and these are attendances, so not people being admitted, so it could be for things like sunburn and heatstroke, things like sunburn and heatstroke, things related to the hot sun. there's no data to back that up but nhs trust have been saying it feels busy the moment. what about gps? as you said, lots of figures released and the next thing is the gp patient satisfaction survey. the overall figure is quite high, 83%, which is 196 figure is quite high, 83%, which is 1% drop on the previous survey but drilling down into the figures, what people are saying is just under a0% of people couldn't get an appointment at the time they wanted and a third, 33%, couldn't get an on the day appointment at all. eating disorders, i mentioned we are going to be discussing these issues in a moment. tell us what the figures are on getting appointments to see a

specialist? yes, there is standard the government are aiming for, by 2020, they want 95% of children and young people, and they mean up to the age of 19 when they say that, to be referred for assessment or treatment with an eating disorder with one week —— within one week. since 2016, they have been heading towards the target, things going in the right direction but in the last quarter, it is the first time the number has fallen. it has gone down four —— it has gone down a%, 7a.7% of urgent cases being seen within one week and just to repeat the government target is 95%. thank you for joining government target is 95%. thank you forjoining us. let's talk to tom quin from the eating disorder charity beat. kim flockton, who is the clinical lead for the evolve eating disorder service in hull. laura phelan, who had anorexia when she was a teenager and now helps other people with eating disorders. julie spinks was first diagnosed with an eating disorder

when she was aa. nicole lacey, a 17—year—old who has been diagnosed with anorexia, but has been waiting three weeks for a referral to see a specialist. all the evidence shows that the earlier you receive treatment, the more likely you are to make a full recovery. it is critically important that everyone gets treatment as quickly as possible, young people but also adults, unfortunately we do not have waiting time targets for adults, julie here is an example, eating disorders can affect anyone of any eating disorders can affect anyone ofany age, eating disorders can affect anyone of any age, important that we see those waiting time targets. what is the criteria for referral, when is the criteria for referral, when is the point at which somebody who is presenting themselves to a gp is decided by the gp to be in urgent need of support? well, the gp is not

really the best person to make that position, so, actually, it is important gps do not make that sitting, they make immediate referral. gps have a lot of things on their plate, it is much better that the specialist service makes the assessment. so, first presentation, when someone goes in to see theirgp, presentation, when someone goes in to see their gp, and there are eating issues, everyone should be referred at that point. exactly. nicole, you say you are currently referring for referral to a specialist, what is your situation. well, from the first time i went to my gp to talk about it it was two years ago that i received a diagnosis, the statistics show the waiting time before the first treatment but does not show how long until the treatment is actually up and successful. how does it make you

feel? sorry, i think and successful. how does it make you feel? sorry, ithink the connection... how do you feel about that? it is all full, i have met so many people waiting and their condition is deteriorating because they do not have the proper support they do not have the proper support they need. what is happening to you? lam waiting they need. what is happening to you? i am waiting for a referral at the moment. do you feel like your situation is getting worse while you wait? i think i am lucky situation is getting worse while you wait? i think! am lucky that situation is getting worse while you wait? i think i am lucky that i situation is getting worse while you wait? i think! am lucky that i am quite good at managing it myself but of the sleeve that would be better with professional support. —— obviously. you have mentioned that you are an older patient, and there are no guidelines around waiting times for people over 19. tell us more about what happened to you, you we re more about what happened to you, you were diagnosed at aa and had to wait

some time and you were told he needed to lose more weight before referral. i was going to the doctors, the doctor realised i had an eating disorder before i did. and then he was monitoring me, and i saidl then he was monitoring me, and i said i needed more help, and unfortunately he said, because of the bmi, and the criteria for older patients, you have to lose more weight before you can get a referral. how much weight had you lost? a significant amount. it must have been significant for him to clock it. i was developing the eating disorder, it was manifesting itself deep within me, by the time you get to that bmi, it is too late, you get to that bmi, it is too late, you are in such a cycle, even if you wanted to eat, you cannot flick a switch and say, i will get better on my own. it took me, i had a mental breakdown, then i had a general

mental health assessment and that is when i was referred to the eating disorder unit, but then i had to wait another 16 weeks before i was actually in the system and having treatment, and that transition period was berry confusing. i didn't know, was i ill, am i not ill, have i got know, was i ill, am i not ill, have igota know, was i ill, am i not ill, have i got a diagnosis, it was very lonely. you have to keep chasing, when you are poorly, the last thing you want to do is keep having to fight your case. how do you feel like that impacted on the outcome for you? it made it worse, it gave the anorexia time to develop. you almost were given a target, if you wa nted almost were given a target, if you wanted help, you needed to keep going down a particular path.|j wanted help, you needed to keep going down a particular path. i was very angry, the gp said it out of frustration because he wanted me to be referred, to me that was like,

obviously, i am be referred, to me that was like, obviously, lam not be referred, to me that was like, obviously, i am not doing the illness good enough(!) and i am going to restrict even more and prove a point. did you see it as a target? absolutely. let's bring in laura, you were treated for anorexia between 1a and 17, you are 25 now, what were your experiences of getting help, you were in the age range where there are targets. getting help, you were in the age range where there are targetsm was a very long time ago, i was never told to lose more weight but i was turned away a lot, my mother had to keep chasing, it was normal to diet and over exercise, a doctor said, it took me to get to a critical point where they were threatening to section me, to take note, similarly, they were waiting for me to get to that critical point and actually didn't diagnose it as anorexia, until eight months in. what is interesting, you have had

really different situations, julie's situation is the gp knew exactly what was going on and wanted her to get help, it sounds like your gp... not in my experience, and my mum, i was going downhill, the more we went back, the more they saw this was not normal. your mum was worried and was taking you, how did you feel in that situation, were you worried, did you understand the situation? for a really long time no, because when you have a health professional there telling you everything you are doing is fine, it helps the eating disorder, makes you think everything you are doing is normal, when it becomes safety behaviour, i thought everything was fine, until the point where they sat me down and said, we are diagnosing you with mental health illness, i thought everything was fine. how difficult is it to treat an eating disorder. gp should

refer straightaway, you have said, but that does not happen. u nfortu nately we but that does not happen. unfortunately we find with gps it is a real mixed bag, we find maybe half doa a real mixed bag, we find maybe half do a really good job, they identify the symptoms early, others u nfortu nately the symptoms early, others unfortunately give helpful advice which can make the onus worse. —— unhelpful advice. in terms of how easy it is to treat, it depends upon how quickly you act, if you are able to act early, then some talking therapies, cbt, that can make a difference, if the onus becomes ingrained, it can get much worse and hospital treatment for many months is needed. —— if the illness becomes ingrained. what was it for you? a lot of it was myself, family recognising it, health professional sitting you down and saying, you are going through a bad thing, i

recognise the symptoms, i knew i was really unwell, around my 14th birthday i remember thinking, this is probably going to kill me, and... that was your 1ath. is probably going to kill me, and... that was your 14th. and that was the turning point, because i thought, thatis turning point, because i thought, that is crazy, i am ia, and i am ready to give in to whatever is going on, but it felt so terrifying and it had taken so long to get the support and the family therapy and the cbt, by that point, the illness was ve ry the cbt, by that point, the illness was very much ingrained. kim, you run an eating disorder service in hull, when someone gets to you, what help do they get? well, we are a community eating disorder service in hull, we provide evidence —based interventions while patients are living within their own homes, we also offer education, advice, and support, for health professionals. —— hull. we offer some level of

education within the university, we also offer support education to gps in theirtraining, we also offer support education to gps in their training, we are working very ha rd to in their training, we are working very hard to reinforce the message, that was said earlier, that it is about early identification, it is about early identification, it is about swift access to treatment. these are the things that make the difference with treating eating disorders. by the time someone gets to the place you have, has it got to the stage where it is ingrained, and therefore it is much harder? sometimes, we offer different levels of treatment, so that is very bespoke in terms of where somebody is within their illness. the lady that was diagnosed later in years, with her eating disorder, it is important that we recognise that perhaps in that case, she may have been battling with some sort of discrimination, stigma, myths that often we think and doting disorder

is something that happens to teenage girls and it is not serious. —— often we think an eating disorder is something that happens to teenage girls. reinforcing the message around making sure gps are educated and making sure the lady earlier was saying, her mother had played a part in accessing treatment, and recognising the seriousness of the eating disorder, and that is really important, that we get the message out there are, and we enable swift access to treatment. patients can self refer in hull and we offer advice and consultation to anybody who comes to the servers. we're working very hard. it is encouraging to hear that the figures are improving, that there is more people accessing treatment within the specified time. nicole, very brave of you to be speaking to us today on

the television, because this is a situation you are in right now. 0ften situation you are in right now. often when people are in need of help they are last to spot it others around them can see that help is needed. how was it for you?” around them can see that help is needed. how was it for you? i think i have been quite insightful, directed prize there was a problem but it is hard for people with eating disorders, they do not want help, it is hard for them to ask for it and then to be told they cannot have it, that is really frustrating. have you felt there has been understanding around what you are going through. there has been, but there has been more people who do not understand than people who do. can you up describe —— can you describe what it is like to be in that situation where you know you have a problem, you are startling with it, people around you will be desperate, as you are, to see it put right, what it is not easy, so many

interviews on this programme with people in this situation, sometimes pa rents people in this situation, sometimes parents will say they have looked at their child and it is like, please just eat, it is a frustrating situation, can you explain what is going on? it is terrifying. you feel incredibly alone, it is help that you really need but there is a barrier to getting it whether that is because of waiting times or not enough staff you feel like you need the help. you are left alone to deal with it by yourself and it is all. white the government have put out a statement saying an extra £30 million is going into children's eating disorder services every year with 70 new and improved treatment centres set up in 2017 coverage hole of the country to ensure more people get the right care at the right time closer to home. do you have a view on resource on? that money is obviously welcome, the urgent cases

suggest that the lengthening waiting times as you have identified earlier perhaps is not enough. we are also concerned that because the money is not ring fenced, not all of it is reaching the front line, we think action is needed by government, by local nhs, to make sure that money is going into the services where it is going into the services where it is most needed. thank you all very much, thank you, thank you for joining us. if you would like information or have been affected by any of the issues that have been raised you can go to bbc.co.uk/actionline, or call for free to hear recorded information on 08000155 998. coming up, we speak to footballer jermaine pennant about his explosive new book, where he tells the story of his tough childhood and subsequent party lifestyle. northamptonshire county councillors will be asked to approve drastic cuts to jobs and services, when they meet this morning to consider a plan to combat

a £70 million budget shortfall. the council has already said it's likely to have to reduce services for vulnerable adults and children to a legal minimum. all services and contracts will be scrutinised to find ways to save money and increases in council tax and business rates are likely. we are nowjoined from northampton by our correspondent jo black. sounds like they are in dire straits, tell us more about the situation. yes, i think a lot of people would agree with that summary, so, the question here, today, and for the coming months ahead, is, how do you save £70 million from a council budget by march of next year. that is what councillors here are trying to decide, they are in a meeting which has just darted a few minutes ago, discussing an action plan, how to

save the money. people have already started to notice a drop in services like subsidised by street and road maintenance have been scaled back and there's a threat to 21 libraries in the county which could close. they were due to close by september but there is a pause on that now and a review is taking place but people are still worried about the libraries they could close. the brand—new headquarters of the council have just been sold off, in order to claw back some money. like i say, the meeting has taken place and there was a small protest this morning, people have gone inside to listen to what the council has had to say. the chief finance officer at the council imposed a section 1a0 notice which is council speak for saying they broke which gives you an idea of how dire the situation is. that notice has just been issued recently. but it is the second one

at this council that has been issued in six months, completely unprecedented. 0ne comment that has come through today which has caused quite a bit of interest is from the mpfor quite a bit of interest is from the mp for northampton south, he has talked about a culture of poor performance and decision—making in northamptonshire county council which has fuelled the current crisis, he says, but he goes say there are bigger national drivers that also have a significant bearing on the position of not only northamptonshire but other local authorities. he went on to say that aduu authorities. he went on to say that adult social care demand from a rapidly increasing elderly population is the big elephant in the room. he has called for a meeting with the local government secretary, james brokenshire icon to talk about that issue and of course people will be looking at what is happening here today, whether there will be cuts in adult services, children's services, that is what people are really worried about. the council says it is desperately trying to do its best to make sure

it can offer the services to people in northamptonshire and protect people who live here. it is delivering something and it will be looking at something called a core offer but what that means, hopefully we will find out more later today. thank you forjoining us. let's get the latest news. good morning again. the united states is to impose sanctions on russia, after concluding that the nerve agent attack in salisbury was carried out with authorisation from moscow and the russian government violated international law. sergei and yulia skripal were targeted with a nerve agent in march, but later made a full recovery. the measures have been described as draconian by russia, but they've been welcomed by downing street. a nine—year—old girl has died after suffering serious head injuries in a rock fall in north yorkshire. part of a cliff collapsed onto the beach at seaton garth in staithes yesterday, where it's thought the girl was on holiday. part of the beach remains cordoned off. another strong tremor has hit the indonesian island of lombok as the number of people killed by sunday s earthquake is still climbing.

the 5.9 magnitude quake brought down buildings as rescue workers continue to dig through rubble to get aid to survivors. the official number of dead stands at 16a — but local media are reporting figures of more than 300. the government says over 150,000 people have been displaced. the number of patients waiting more than 12 months for non—urgent surgery in england is at its highest level in more than six years. figures published this morning, show a sharp rise to more than 3,500 people — up from just over 500 in 201a. meanwhile the number of patients waiting more than the 18 week target for routine operations is at the highest level in a decade at more than 500,000. regular physical activity three to five times a week is the optimal amount for improving mental well—being according to research published in the medical journal the lancet. more than a million people took part in a study in the united states which found that all types

of activity, including housework and mowing the lawn were found to be positive but overdoing things was counter—productive. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with 0lly foster. it's the eighth day of competition at the european championships. the athletics is under way in berlin. the commonwealth champion katarina johnson—thompson has started in the heptathlon. she lies fourth after the first discipline, the 100 metre hurdles. the second test between england and india is due to start at 11, but it's raining at lord's. england are 1—0 in the series and will give batsman 0llie pope his first cap. it's transfer deadline day in england. the window closes at 5pm. chelsea signed the spaniard kepa arrizaballega late last night for £71 million, making him the world's most expensive goalkeeper. and the 19—year—old australian daniel arzani has joined manchester city from their partner

club melbourne city. he was the youngest player at the world cup. he's expected to go on loan to celtic to help his development. that's all the sport for now. now, footballerjermaine pennant played for england under 21s and enjoyed a top—flight career including spells at arsenal, liverpool and stoke. but he grabbed almost as many headlines off the pitch as on it. he was once convicted of drink—driving and was known for his party lifestyle. now in a new book, jermaine reveals that after a tough childhood growing up without his mum on a poor estate in nottingham, where his dad was a drug dealer and addict, football saved him from getting drawn into a gang. jermaine is with us now. thank you forjoining us. let's start with your tough childhood. how would you describe it? to me, then,

it was normal, there was nothing surprising but obviously, you know, the career i have had, i know it is not normal. it was very poor. my dad provided for his kids by selling drugs. he was a hero to me. i always looked up to him. even when he started taking drugs himself and going down the wrong path, he was still the one he made me who i am today and without him i wouldn't be here. when did you become aware he was dealing drugs and how did you feel about it? like i said, the area i was brought up in, it was normal so it was nothing to be offended by. i wasn't hurt. it was a big, tight—knit community and selling drugs was part of the gang culture as well. i wouldn't say i was a part of it but i grew up knowing it. —— i

grew up. it was like every child wa kes grew up. it was like every child wakes up and goes and plays with their friends wakes up and goes and plays with theirfriends and wakes up and goes and plays with their friends and live the life. that is all it was for me at the time. you've experienced both sides of the coin, the extreme poverty of childhood and the money you made as the foot —— as a footballer. when you look back, described the environment, physically, the home that you grew up in, what was it like? it was a council house. my room wasn't kitted out like most kids streamed off all stop i didn't have any spider—man wallpaper. i didn't have an a carpet on the floor. —— any carpet. i grew up with my little brother, with my stepmum. he got the best of it, he was the lucky one and i stayed in his room majority of the time. what were your dreams growing up?” majority of the time. what were your dreams growing up? ijust loved playing football. any time i was out

playing football. any time i was out playing with my friends, it was football for me, even if i was going to the shop i took my ball with me. my to the shop i took my ball with me. my dad would give me money to go to the chip shop to get mighty and the ball was going with me. the neighbours hated me because i would break windows and kick doors down with the football! but it's all i knew and all i wanted to do. you taught yourself your footballing skills? it came from my father because he played semiprofessional. his father was more integrated so did not push him on but my father pushed me, took me to england trials. he couldn't drive but he got someone to take us there. like i say, if it wasn't for my father, i wouldn't be here and i am very grateful for that but he pushed me a lot, he showed me the fundamentals of football and he was always there for me then. talk about how you ended up getting spotted and moving into football properly, just a bit more about your childhood first, though because when you were 1a, you we re though because when you were 1a, you

were woken up from banging on the door and it was the police coming to your place to take your dad away? what happened ? your place to take your dad away? what happened? yes, like i said, i can remember sleeping, the door was literally ripped off its hinges and a lot of police officers and a lot of noise and at the time i thought it was for me. why did you think that? a couple of weeks before that, me and my friends were messing about ina skip me and my friends were messing about in a skip yard and we took a lot of pogs, in a skip yard and we took a lot of pogs, like a game. what were they? ryder they were like playing cards that you've lived with your mates and whoever slipped them the most, they would take it was a card game but i had lots of boxes in the cupboard. when they came charging through, i thought it was for me! i was so scared, i thought, "what have i done?" but i saw my dad get taken away in handcuffs in his underwear and then i realised what it was for

all stop i always knew what my dad was doing, and like i say, growing up was doing, and like i say, growing up with it, it was the norm in a poor area like that, in a gang area. you didn't think you had a mother at that stage, you had been told she had died. much later in life you discover that wasn't the case. yeah, a little bit later, i was told she was passed away from throat cancer. my was passed away from throat cancer. my agent got a phone call and sat me down and told me. but because i'd not seen herfor a good ten down and told me. but because i'd not seen her for a good ten years before that, you know, it did not sink in and hurt like it should have hurt a child, losing a mother but i never had that bond and that's probably where half of my misdemeanours, from camino, braving the attention from a mother figure. who looked after you after your dad went away? it was my brother's mum, my stepmum at the time. she took

ca re of my stepmum at the time. she took care of me. you said about your misdemeanours, what did you do? did you get involved in gangs? no, my friends never let me go down that path. if they were ever going out and they knew that trouble might be on the horizon, they always told me to stay awake. it is only recently. why were they protecting you?” think they knew i had a talent and could make it out of the area and succeed, like many kids who have tried and failed. they really believed i could do it and also, i was recently told my father spoke to a lot of the gang members and said, " if a lot of the gang members and said, "if you are going out, please don't ta ke "if you are going out, please don't take my son". he was a respected man in the community and still is now. if it wasn't for my father giving them the pep talk, who knows? i

could have gone down the same path. so you had this talent and it was recognised by the kids around you. at what stage was it recognised elsewhere and what happened? how we re elsewhere and what happened? how were you picked out? it was at primary school when i was eight or nine. the local teams, notts county and nottingham forest, would send out scouts to schools and then the schools would pick their best players and send them on the trials. i was one of them. you know, insta ntly, i was one of them. you know, instantly, i stood out. from 10—13, i had arsenal, liverpool, everton and manchester united all watching me over the years. wow, that must have been, must have given new kudos and made you feel amazing. —— must have given you. it gives you hope but at that age you are not thinking about it too much, you are just thinking about loving the game, going out and playing and as you get older, you get more interested in football, you then start setting

your sights on being a professional. when did you start to earn money from it? when i was probably 16 and my first professional contract would have been at arsenal. you can't sign a professional contract until you turn 17. i left nottingham at the age of 15 and moved to london which was very difficult as a period in my life as well because i got homesick and travelled back and forth but from the age of 17 i started to earn money which i had never drained off and never had. what were you learning? my first wage was £5,000 per week, for a kid that had nothing at all, it was a big step. what did you do with it? well... the thing is, i was never well taken with money. i enjoyed it, iwent is, i was never well taken with money. i enjoyed it, i went out a lot. i splashed money. i enjoyed it, i went out a lot. isplashed it money. i enjoyed it, i went out a lot. i splashed it on anything i could, clothes, you know, partying as well, those kind of things that a

do. such a complete change from where you had come from and suddenly, what was in your grasp, did you feel there were any boundaries for you ? did you feel there were any boundaries for you? no, with what comes with it, the fame, i didn't think there were any boundaries and ididn't think there were any boundaries and i didn't have a lot of people around me to tell me the boundaries or keep me to tell me the boundaries or keep me on the straight and narrow. the lack of discipline that i had when they did try to tell me, it was hard to get it to sink in or did not stay for very long. who would be telling you? my agent would because he was the one that made it all happen when i was 15. he would tell me, "you can't be spending this, you can't be doing this, you've got to be more professional". the coaches were trying. trying to keep me on the straight and narrow but they were limited, they could only do that in work when you are actually there but

otherwise i was pretty much on my own and that is when i wanted to embrace the fame and the money and really be a lad because i was no professional. i just wanted, really be a lad because i was no professional. ijust wanted, i thought i was normal at times, so i went out there like a normal kid with a lot of money and that is when you are in the public eye, and they picked up on it more than other people would. you say, be a lad, in the book you talk about what was going on with women, did you feel you could have any woman you wanted? not any woman i wanted, but... any woman you wanted? not any woman iwanted, but... it any woman you wanted? not any woman i wanted, but... it was very easy, you know, still is now, if you are a footballer, or anyone in the industry, that is famous, could be a singer, actress... i they would throw themselves at you. i would never manipulate or go out searching for it, but it was basically, a young lad with a lot of

money and it is put on a plate for you. it was very difficult to say no. you talk about threesomes in the book, without being to solicit(!), what antics were going on, this is with other footballers that you were going on and partying. —— without being too explicit (!) it was never forced, it was never something we chased, they knew what we wanted, they knew what they were getting themselves into, and, you know, like isaid, it themselves into, and, you know, like i said, it was the old me. learning, making mistakes. learning from the experience. it was going back to a house, having... iwon't experience. it was going back to a house, having... i won't say a laugh, enjoying yourself, i liked the attention from women. i enjoyed the attention from women. i enjoyed the attention from women. i enjoyed the attention i got. they was happy to be involved, they was happy to

share in that enjoyment, enjoy the luxuries of a night out, and it went on from there. was there much respect for the women involved? the way you describe it, in the book, but the way you describe it in the book, some of the things you talk about. yeah, it is not something i am proud of now, but there was definitely a lack of respect. but they had a lack of respect for myself, as well. so, it'sjust the manner of how they could sleep with someone after knowing them for two hours. you cannot really have that much respect for someone when they don't have much respect for themselves. it is the sort of thing iam not themselves. it is the sort of thing i am not proud of, but i'm telling a true story, that i have experienced. with women. it might come across very harsh and brutal. it is the way

the girls were and sometimes are. and the footballers, of course. yes, but we are not going to say no, if a girl wants to sleep with you, she is attractive, you are single, you are not going to say no. how would you describe the culture with you and the other young footballers at the time? we had a great bond. in terms of what was acceptable, these relationships, they were just one night stand, brief encounters. you say it was consensual, obviously, but in terms of anybody walking away feeling good about themselves, did you feel good about yourself?m feeling good about themselves, did you feel good about yourself? it was not feeling good, feeling bad, it was just a normal kind of night out sometimes, go out, it is not only footballers who engage in this

activity, your local postman, i'm sure, when they go out, when girls are throwing themselves at you, you are throwing themselves at you, you are going to engage in activities if you are single. you are just going to do it. you talk about what used to do it. you talk about what used to call a game monopoly. well, it was a kind of a joke, between some friends, if someone was to sleep with a girl, and then later down the line, that same friend would sleep with the same girl, it was just a joke. something i experienced. it is not something i would say, yeah, go and do, or be proud of, but itjust happened. they have to pay your rent, as a littlejoke happened. they have to pay your rent, as a little joke at all real do you think things are different? i think they are different, yes... ——

asa think they are different, yes... —— as a little joke. think they are different, yes... —— as a littlejoke. do think they are different, yes... —— as a little joke. do you think things are different? now, the attention they get, the way the press is now, i think, you know, football has kind of cleaned up a little bit. there is more professionalism in the game. you don't really hear about these things. more relaxed, players could let their hair down, go out and enjoy themselves. with social media now, players, footballers, anyone in the limelight, they are scared to go out and enjoy themselves. you have chosen to say what you did, you have done it with unflinching honesty, why did you choose to do that? because i want to show people what kind of person i am now, and what i was. where i came from. maybe they

could understand certain misdemeanours, because there is a lot of people who do not know me in person, who are quick to judge. they have no idea of what i have been through all where i have come from. they think, footballer, lot of money, what a waste of space and talent. but from what i have been, to achieve, i think, is a success. do you feel you could have had a different career if you had a different career if you had a different approach. definitely, 100%, that boils down to my upbringing, the discipline, having the correct people around me at ball state is. not being as close at times with my family when needed, that was probably my full, distance, keeping them at arms length. i never dealt with emotions well. my way was going out, meeting girls, getting that attention for my ego. what was it made you get to the point where

you can look back in this way and say, that was me then, i am what i am now. how do you see your life? well, my life is very calm now, i don't have any stories anymore! the book is called mental, and a lot of people probably think that, but if you sit down with me for ten minutes, have a conversation, you would have a different opinion completely. i have grown up, i have been wiser, i have learned from my mistakes. that is all about life and the learning curve. you have to make m ista kes the learning curve. you have to make mistakes and learn from them. i am happy, content, moving into a new career, people can read the book and maybe learn from it as well. what new career do you want? into television, i thought, new career do you want? into television, ithought, commentary, we will see. rumours you will be

heading off in a week to the big brother house. i will have to speak with my agent to see if that comes true(!) we will see. good luck. thank you for coming to talk to us. now, before we go, bad news if you rent a property, it has been suggested private rent prices could rise by 15% in the next five years. that's according to new research by the royal institution of chartered surveyors, which conducts research on the property market. one of the reasons for the potential rise is a lack of new homes on the market to rent. joining me now is simon rubinsohn who is the chief economist at the royal institution of chartered surveyors. alsojoining us from birmingham is david cox, chief executive of the letting agents arla propertymark. thank you for coming in. what do you see happening with rents?” thank you for coming in. what do you see happening with rents? i agree with the research that has been put out, it is for two main reasons,

first, we are not building anywhere near enough houses in this country, government statistics suggest that for every one house built, four new households are being created and until we deal with the massive shortage of supply in house—building, rent and house prices are going to keep going up. second reason comes down to government intervention, if we see over the last four years, governments have hiked taxes, continuously, on every budget announcement, every autumn statement we have had over the last few years, a new tax has increased on landlords, at which point, when landlords, at which point, when landlords costs go up, they have to pass those costs on to ten ands in order to cover their own outgoings. so they are not making a loss. at which point, government are artificially increasing the price of rent. not the landlords who are enjoying a massive boom here. landlords certainly did enjoy a good

period, prices went up, many landlords in the market were able to benefit from rising prices, but the changes we have seen, and outlines have been shown here, have made it harder for them, they are now under a lot of pressure to maintain a flow of income from the property. i would certainly not interpret our results as being anything other than a direct result of some of the policy changes we have seen. what would you lie to see happen. first, the market, we have to look at it in a holistic way, more houses must be built, the government recognises that, it has a target of 300,000 homes, we are sadly some way short of that, beyond that, there must be a greater focus on delivering property where it is most needed. it is all very well talking about a lot of property in the pipeline but where are the real shortfalls and can we where are the real shortfalls and can we get planning permission through more speedily, so that housing can be built in a quicker

way? finally, we need to look at the tax arrangements on property, clearly, some of the changes announced over the last few years have meant there is less rental supply coming through. 0n have meant there is less rental supply coming through. on its own, thatis supply coming through. on its own, that is not a problem if you can see alternatives, let's say companies we re alternatives, let's say companies were going to build in place of private landlords, unfortunately, they do not appear to be doing that. good government bills, maybe it could, at the moment, it is not. dash could government build. —— could government build. we have got to look at private landlords and if we to look at private landlords and if we make it hard for them, they are not going to be there and that is going to lead to one thing, higher rents. thank you very much indeed for joining rents. thank you very much indeed forjoining us. we appreciate all of your comments coming in as usual, if you have missed any thing or want to see it

again, go to the website, we have everything up there. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. i will see you very soon, have a lovely afternoon. cooler feel for all of us today, sunshine around, also a few showers and a more general spell of rain across central southern england, east anglia and south—east england, east anglia and south—east england, you can see it here, slowly pulling east through the day. further north and west, good deal of sunshine, showers, lion's share for the western isles, catching scattered showers, feeling cool in the rain, 15 or 16 celsius, scattered showers, feeling cool in the rain, 15 or16 celsius, up scattered showers, feeling cool in the rain, 15 or 16 celsius, up to 21 or 22 the rain, 15 or 16 celsius, up to 21 or22 in the the rain, 15 or 16 celsius, up to 21 or 22 in the best of the sunshine. through the evening and tonight, finally the rain clears away to scandinavia, good deal of clear

skies, showers pushing in across western parts of the uk and clearer skies feeling fairly cool, eight or nine celsius for scotland and northern ireland, 11 to 13 celsius further south, most of the figures in the countryside. fresh feeling day, also showers, across western parts, filtering their way further east. maybe emerging to give a longer spell of rain. cool feel, in the sunshine, 21 celsius. this is bbc news. these are the top stories developing at 11:00: the us announces new sanctions against russia following its alleged role in the poisioning of a former spy and his daughter in salisbury. northamptonshire county councillors

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