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good morning. a man being held on suspicion of terrorism after a car was driven into people and the security barrier in westminster has just been named, he is 29—year—old salih khater. we will bring you the latest. rescuers in the italian city of genoa have been searching throughout the night in the hopes of finding survivors of yesterday's catastrophic motorway bridge collapse. we will hear exclusive calls for the illegal class b monkey dust drug to be upgraded to class a, users say
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they feel superhuman with the power to leap off buildings, police tell us to leap off buildings, police tell us it is only a matter of time before someone dies, we will hear from one user. this is like crack but better. eh, you feel like... when it's good stuff, you feel like doing stuff, like getting things done and energetic and that. if you've tried monkey dust, if you know someone who has, do you agree the class b drug should be made a class a drug? would that make a difference? do let me know. and in an exclusive joint interview >> traffic—mac: thisjewish couple say they're leaving the uk because they feel unsafe becase of anti semitism. we'll talk to them before 10:00am hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11:00 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about. use the hashtag victoria live.
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we will talk to tricia gothard about her experience of divorce, new research out today that says thousands of splitting couples are exaggerating problems in their marriages to get a divorce. we will talk about that at about 1030. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. the driver in yesterday's suspected terror attack at westminster has been identified. he is 29—year—old salih khater originally from sudan. it is believed he was not previously known to police. raids at three addresses in the midlands were carried out overnight. it's the second attack in westminster in less than 18 months. thomas morgan is
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there. the naming of this suspect in there. the naming of this suspect in the last few minutes? yes, you mentioned 29—year—old salih khater, initial reports suggesting he resided in birmingham, we understand on monday night he drove down from birmingham to london between 1:30am and 6am, his silver ford fiesta seen driving around tottenham court road in central london. for an hour and a half he was driving around westminster and whitehall before just after half past seven driving around the traffic island, across pretty much right where we are standing, through security barrier is and then crashing into the barriers behind me. you still being questioned by police in south london but we understand he is not cooperating so we still don't know if he's part of any group, was he
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working alone and what his motives are. those are the questions which still have to be answered as the investigation continues into what happened here yesterday morning. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. rescuers in the italian city of genoa have been searching throughout the night for survivors after the dramatic collapse of a motorway bridge. police say at least 26 people were killed after dozens of vehicles fell from the bridge. around 11 people have been pulled alive from the rubble but many are still missing. jane—frances kelly reports. aerial shots of the floodlit area showed the desperate search to find survivors continued throughout the night. a crane removed debris, some 300 firefighters from across italy used sniffer dogs and climbing gear to help them scale the enormous structure. infrared images pick out the ceaseless activity of the rescuers as if
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they were worker ants. hundreds of people have had to move from the area in case other parts of the bridge came down. 0h dio! a vast section of the road fell to the ground. a rescue helicopter revealed the scale of the disaster. the four lane highway collapsed more than a0 metres onto the floor of the valley beneath. the exact cause of the disaster is not known but the italian prime minister has promised a full investigation. translation: from what we have worked out so far the number of casualties will increase, at this moment it's an incredible tragedy, above all because there has not been an explosion or an accident but we are working on the hypothesis of a structuralfailure. the viaduct was built in the 60s and designed to allow access to the italian riviera and the southern coast of france. it was refurbished two years ago. questions are now being
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raised about how a bridge in one of the wealthiest parts of italy could simply collapse during a summer storm. june francis kelly, bbc news. inafew in a few minutes' time the victoria will be talking to local people about their concerns over the bridge and the impact yesterday's collapse is having on the city, stay with us for that. rail passengers find out later this morning how much ticket prices will go up next year but the transport secretary says he wants to change the way fares and are calculated, he wanted calculated by the lowest member of inflation but union leaders say has plans are an attempt to punish stuff for government buildings. commuters in the north of england have not had it easy.
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chaotic changes to timetables in may have caused major disruption. this week, the labour mayors of liverpool and manchester called for a freeze in fares. today, we will learn by how much many rail fares in england might rise, come january. that is because the retail price index forjuly will be published. this measure of inflation, which will probably be around 3.5%, will be used as a cap for increases in regulated railfares injanuary. by the government is now proposing using a different, lower measure of inflation, the consumer price index. it's currently 2.3%, so annual ticket price rises would be lower too. the government argues that if a lower measurement of inflation is used for increases to ticket prices, then it should also be used for costs, including workers wages. my challenge to the unions is let's get the routine increases in train fares to cover increasing costs down to the lowest level of inflation, that is used by pretty much the whole of the rest of the public sector and much of the rest of our economy. that suggestion has angered the unions. 0ne union described the proposal as a bad joke, they argue lower ticket prices should be covered by the rail companies and not cuts to workers wages.
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tom burridge, bbc news. have apologised for the sexual abuse of at least 1000 children by 300 priests over 70 years, the scale of the abuse has been revealed in an 800 page report at the end of a two year grand 800 page report at the end of a two yeargrandjury 800 page report at the end of a two year grand jury investigation due to alleged cover—up efforts by senior officials in most of the cases are too old for prosecution. it's a year since the scottish government introduced the baby box scheme. they contain clothes, toys and a mattress so the box can be used as a safe sleeping space and are given free of charge to every new parent. earlier this month, the royal college of midwives called for the boxes to be given out
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in england too. but critics say the nine million pounds that has been spent on them in scotland so far could have helped families in poverty. 0ur scotland correspondent catriona renton reports. it's time for a rest for five—week—old baby grace, but this is not her bed, it's her baby box. for the past year, the scottish government has been offering them to all babies born here, packed with essentials like clothes and nappies. and for grace, a useful refuge from her older siblings. when it arrived i was surprised by how much was in there. just everything was in there that you forget that you need. you don't really have time to do that when everything is going on. it was really nice that it was all there. over 52,000 boxes have been gifted to newborns in scotland in the past year. they cost £160 each, and so far the scottish government has spent almost £9 million on them. this is our warehouse
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where we keep our stock donations. this baby and family support service in the north of glasgow works like a food bank. it was originally set up to help people with all the things new babies need. in here we have some of our prams. we have our car seats, we have our cots and cotbeds and our buggies. the baby boxes are a nice idea, but we don't live in a world where nice is needed. personally i would have preferred to see the money invested in baby boxes being invested in somehow coping these parents. the scottish government says the boxes help give babies the best start in life. there's no proof that sleeping in the boxes reduces infant mortality, but the royal college of midwives says the benefits of giving a baby its own sleep space is likely to reduce the risks associated with unsafe co—sleeping. they now want the scheme
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introduced throughout the uk. catriona renton, bbc news. thousands of students across the uk are receiving their btec results approximately one in four students starting university will have the qualification, it's become the most popular career qualification with almost a quarter of a million stu d e nts almost a quarter of a million students receiving the results this summer. students receiving the results this summer. elliott analysis suggests and allsimilar summer. elliott analysis suggests and all similar overall pass rate year—on—year. it was 20 years ago today that a bomb ripped through the town of 0magh, killing 29 people, making it the biggest single atrocity of the troubles in northern ireland. the town will later host a vigil of "remembrance and hope" to mark the anniversary. it is said to be the last official remembrance are “— it is said to be the last official remembrance are —— ceremony. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. we will talk about monkey dust after
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ten, it is an illegal drug, a class b drug with the dangerous rise in use in certain parts of the country police have told us exclusively that it's only a matter of time before somebody dies under the influence of it and today we bring you exclusive calls from campaigners who say it should be reclassified, it should be upgraded from class b to class a, if you have used it or know somebody who has or have dealt with someone who has or have dealt with someone who has, maybe you work for the local authority or a drug rehab organisation, or you are a paramedic for example, do let me know your experiences of monkey dust. so called because it makes users feel superhuman, that they can climb buildings like monkeys. get in touch in the usual ways. let's get some sport. plenty of conversations this morning
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about ben stokes after he was found not guilty of affray? absolutely, great deal of debate this morning, he was called up to the england test squad hours after the england test squad hours after the not guilty verdict having not been named in the initial squad as the case reached its conclusion. we can talk to jonathan agnew who the case reached its conclusion. we can talk tojonathan agnew who joins us can talk tojonathan agnew who joins us this morning, jonathan great doctor you, let's pick up on that, should the ecb have waited, they are conducting their own internal investigation into the affair, should they have not called up until that reached its conclusion? the hearing may take longer than the week, it might stretch into the distance, the disciplinary hearing. it mirrors what happened in the winter, i know people find it very confusing, the fact that before he had been charged ben stokes was not picked by england, he was unavailable for selection. when he
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is charged they do pick him. that does not seem entirely logical but they will say they do not want to prejudice he's had a long week in court and so on, whether that is mentally draining our whether he is fully focused not, that is for the coach to say, but knowing ben stokes a little as i do i think he's the sort of person who will be able to put all that to one side and will be keen to get back to plain cricket again. we know he missed the last test and his talents are all there to see, this is not the first incident of note, we saw him sent home from a tour of a in 2013 for late—night drinking, he has been reprimanded about his language against the west indies and now this
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charge of affray, do you think this will be the ends to this explosive behaviour we have seen on and off the field? absolutely, i think partly that is why this process is taking a while, the chairman of the board, work out where they go from here, and where ben stokes himself goes from here, i would hope his management team of his own would say you have to sort yourself out, this cannot carry on. he punched a hole in the dressing room locker in the west indies. it's a firebrand nature that makes him the cricketer he is. 0n the field it is channelled and focused, bowling or batting order whatever it might be, but there is clearly a n whatever it might be, but there is clearly an issue the cricket field that he has to address and what will happen in this hearing is the cdc, the cricket disciplinary commission which is independent from the board
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will look at that footage and everything else around it, notjust the cctv which will be around forever of course, they have to decide whether or not on that night the game was brought into disrepute. whether or not the image of that is right for the game and i know there is some discussion on social media saying he is not guilty so that should be the end of it but that's not how it works. as a former cricketer myself i know that you signed contract clauses which you absolutely say you will not in any way bring the game into disrepute. itan image way bring the game into disrepute. it an image then, it's kids, the whole business of how sport works and then there is this disciplinary process. i would be surprised if both he and alex hales are not find a proper game into disrepute. what do we think the ecb will do, will there be a ban, what can we expect the punishment will be from the ecb? it is dangerous to try to
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pre—empt what they might do. what they could do, because this is an independent body, include the ashes test he missed as some sort of punishment but that is guessing and the moving of goalposts. they have to talk to him and hales of what happened that night. they have to look at the drinking culture around the england team. there was a drink related incident in the first two days of the ashes tour and i think the board has to get a grip of that now. thank you for speaking with us this morning. and there you go, victoria. interesting to hear what jonathan had to say about ben sto kes‘ jonathan had to say about ben stokes' inclusion in the third test and we could be seeing him sooner than expected with the match due to get under way on saturday. welcome
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to the programme, it is 9:17am. rescuers in the italian city of genoa have been searching throughout the night for survivors after a section of a motorway bridge collapsed. police say at least 35 people were killed and many more badly hurt after dozens of vehicles fell 45 metres. this is the moment the bridge collapsed. 0h dio! around 300 firefighters from around italy have been using sniffer dogs and climbing gear in the search. officials say they have not given up hope of finding survivors, vowing to work "round the clock until the last victim is secured". it's thought that around 30 cars and three heavy vehicles were on the bridge at the time of the collapse, which happened during a heavy storm. the italian prime minister,
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giuseppe conte, called the incident a tragedy. translation: from what we have worked out so far, the number of casualties will increase. at this moment it's an incredible tragedy above all because there has not been an explosion or an accident. but we're working on the hypothesis of a structural failure. you can see an you can see an emergency you can see an emergency helicopter just ahead of the debris, the rubble. we can speak to danjohnson, who is there. we saw the helicopter land because we thought another injured person may have been found, but it has not taken off all left with any urgency. new rescue teams coming in
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to ta ke urgency. new rescue teams coming in to take over from those who have been working all night. more equipment coming in, you can see the heavy cranes to lift some of these huge chunks of concrete, so they can get down and sift through the rubble, through the wrecked cars that have dropped onto the road. it is like the aftermath of an earthquake. sniffer dogs have been going through the rubble trying to find any people who are still alive, trapped. so far this morning, the rescu e rs trapped. so far this morning, the rescuers have only found more people dead and the death toll has risen to 37 and could continue to rise further because there is more rescue and recovery work to do. such a lot of rubble to go through to get the a nswe rs of rubble to go through to get the answers as to what went wrong. this morning it is bright, sunny and warm and couldn't be more different from the pictures you saw yesterday and the pictures you saw yesterday and the intense storm that hit at the moment when the bridge collapsed.
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there is a question as to how much of rolled the weather may have played and what the maintenance record of the bridge was and that might be the clue as to this catastrophic collapse happened so suddenly. let's speak now to marco parodi, who works for the italian red cross and has been on the ground in genoa helping with the search and rescue operation. laura guglielmi, who is a writer and journalist based in genoa and regularly used the bridge. and drjohn knapton, who is a consulting civil engineer and who may be able to shed some light on how this has happened. in terms of where you were on the bridge yesterday and what you did? yes, i was driving to the ikea
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supermarket which is located to just below the bridge, 200 metres off the bridge. to go to ikea i'd just talk the last exit before the bridge half a kilometre before. the bridge collapsed while i was driving the final kilometre towards ikea. when i arrived to the shopping centre, in the parking, i saw the bridge collapse. for a few seconds, part of the bridge was in the fog. a few seconds later i realised this was real and itjust seconds later i realised this was real and it just happened. seconds later i realised this was real and itjust happened. 0ther
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people in the parking lot didn't notice anything. i parked the car and people start and they were looking at the bridge and taking pictures. how do you reflect on that escape that you had? excuse me, i cannot understand, i am not very good at english. your english is brilliant, giacomo. how did you react at the fact you escaped the colla pse react at the fact you escaped the collapse by just a few react at the fact you escaped the collapse byjust a few minutes? react at the fact you escaped the collapse byjust a few minute57m is difficult to explain. some panic, some concerns for families and friends. in the same morning, they
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went to the aquarium. we tried to call them on the phone for half an hour without any answer. i was convinced they were trapped in the collapse. later, they replied to my phone call and they had passed over the bridge ten to 20 minutes before the bridge ten to 20 minutes before the collapse. i am grateful for your time this morning, giacomo. thank you for talking to us. i am going to bring in our representative of the red cross now, who is at the scene now. we are grateful for your time as well, i wonder what you can tell us as well, i wonder what you can tell us in terms of the latest on the
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rescue operation? we started the operation immediately after the crash. we started with special apparatus from search and rescue. we worked for all the night and the operator is also in the field currently. 0ur operator is also in the field currently. our people are working with other teams to move a lot of support in the crash area. there is a carwe're not support in the crash area. there is a car we're not able to recover so we're not able to finalise the rescue. do you, at this point, there could still be survivors? we don't know. we haven't got that
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information. during the rescue last night, we couldn't assess the survivors. but it is possible. we hope there are. we continue to work without stopping. we offer support ina very without stopping. we offer support in a very short time. thank you, federica, thank you for giving us your time this morning. as our correspondent said earlier, they are treating this disaster as they would an earthquake type scenario. let me bring in laura hague is based in genoa and regularly uses this
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bridge. we were coming back from our day in the mountains. as you know, the mountains are so close to the sea. the mountains are so close to the sea. it is very difficult for the landscape and territory here with the mountainsjust landscape and territory here with the mountains just jumping into landscape and territory here with the mountainsjustjumping into the sea. the mountainsjustjumping into the sea. this bridge was very fundamental also for this reason, foregoing on a day out. i was coming back 12 hours before, at night. i don't know, it was the last time i was crossing the bridge. it is very sad. we were fond of that bridge, in a way. in the 605, when 5ad. we were fond of that bridge, in a way. in the 605, when it was built, people were really proud of it. it was a success, a bridge
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crossing 5uch it. it was a success, a bridge crossing such a long and high bridge from one side to the other side, from one side to the other side, from the east to the west. also, the region between friends. the bridge meant coming back home from holiday, it meant going to the west of genoa quickly. we do have other road5, it meant going to the west of genoa quickly. we do have other roads, the state road5. quickly. we do have other roads, the state roads. but this is a significant arterial road. let me bring in the consulting civil engineer. we don't know the cause, it is too early but serious questions raised about the structure, one would imagine? absolutely. bridge should last yea rs. absolutely. bridge should last years. it's not as if it is old in
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that sense. but certainly, it has been a high maintenance bridge over the last 25 years. in particular, the last 25 years. in particular, the concrete from which the tower collapsed is manufactured, has required a lot of attention. there's been corrosion of the embedded reinforcing steel and repairs have been carried out from time to time. i also understand at this time they we re i also understand at this time they were carrying out maintenance to the foundations of the bridge. whether they were carrying out that maintenance of the tower itself back collapsed, i am not sure. as you mentioned earlier, the weather has to be considered. in particular, it was an incredibly heavy storm, the type of storm when your windscreen wipers or not working properly. i wonder if there might have been a road traffic accident which might have led to an impact with one of the structural members of the bridge
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and then a chain reaction developed from there. just to give you an idea, imagine you are carrying two buckets of water, one in each hand. it is more difficult to carry one if you put the other one down. this bridge wasjust like you put the other one down. this bridge was just like that, the weight of the deck is carried to the top of the tower by inclined steel tying is. if one of them becomes detached, it will massively overstress the tower which collapse. maybe something happened, not starting with the tower but the tide beans that load into the tower. thank you very much, all of you. appreciate your time this morning, thank you. coming up, the head of the met says the streets around parliament says feedback could be pedestrianised,
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should that be the aim with more public spaces not just should that be the aim with more public spaces notjust in london but across the country? and is the uk becoming a dangerous place for jewish people to live? we will talk to onejewish couple and in exclusive joint interview who say they are quitting britain. the driver in yesterday's suspected terror attack has been identified as 29—year—old so we'll cut from saddam. he was not previously known to police —— salih khater. a massive rescue operation continues in the italian city of genoa to try to find more survivors in the rubble of a motorway bridge that collapsed in torrential rain. a 200 metre long
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section of the concrete bridge came down in heavy storms. the death toll has now risen to 35 people. the transport secretary chris grayling says he wants rail fare increases and industry wages to be determined by the lowest measure of inflation. passengers are finding out how much ticket prices are going up next year, analysts predicting a 3.5% rise in january year, analysts predicting a 3.5% rise injanuary but union leaders said they would fight any attempt to impose a pay cap on members. several catholic dioceses in the american state of pennsylvania have apologised for the sexual abuse of at least 1000 children by 300 priests over 70 years. this scale has been released in a investigation, due to alleged cover—up efforts most of the cases are too old for prosecution. today marks 20 years since 29 people died ina bomb marks 20 years since 29 people died in a bomb attack in 0magh in northern ireland, the biggest single
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atrocity of the troubles and nobody has been brought tojustice. the town will host the vigil of remembrance and hope later today to mark the anniversary which is said to be the last official remembrance ceremony. an advert for amazon one day delivery has been banned for being misleading. the advertising standards authority said it had received more than 280 complaints about the online retailers prime delivery service mostly from people who had not received packages within a day. the company says is a small proportion of orders were affected by extreme weather. that is a summary of the latest bbc news. let's bring you the sport. it is expected the ecb's independent investigation into ben stokes's conduct will begin after the trent bridge test, the third test with india which gets under way on saturday. he was recalled to the squad yesterday hours after the not guilty verdict at bristol crown court. celtic have missed out on a place in the champions league group
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stage after losing the second leg of their game against athens, the no face a play—off to qualify for the europa league. kyle edmund is out of the cincinnati masters after losing his second round tie, serena williams is also out. and great britain mike nine more medals in the second day of action at the world pa rt second day of action at the world part of swimming european championships in dublin, leading the way the 16—year—old who took gold in the 200 meter individual medley and set a new world record in the process. the latest inflation figures and the rates... 0h the latest inflation figures and the rates... oh dear somebody has dropped the chair or something. the rate of cpi inflation was doing a happier sent in july, up rate of cpi inflation was doing a happier sent injuly, up from 2.4% injune, the happier sent injuly, up from 2.4% in june, the office happier sent injuly, up from 2.4% injune, the office for national statistics has just said. injune, the office for national statistics hasjust said. the rate of cpi inflation was 2.5% up from
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2.496 in of cpi inflation was 2.5% up from 2.4% injune of cpi inflation was 2.5% up from 2.4% in june according of cpi inflation was 2.5% up from 2.4% injune according to the office for national statistics. and the other rate, because we use two methods as you know, the rate of retail price index inflation, which is used to set real season—ticket prices in britain was 3.2%. the man being held on suspicion of terrorism after yesterday's incident outside parliament has been named by government sources as salih khater, a 29—year—old british citizen originally from zidane who lives in birmingham —— from sudan. he is not believed to have been known to m15 or counterterrorism officers, police are searching in the midlands. let's look at what happened yesterday morning. at around 7.30 am,
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a silver ford fiesta swerved into cyclists and pedestrians outside parliament. three people were hurt — one seriously. the car then careered off the main road into an area with security bollards. moments later it crashed into a barrier. armed police immediately surrounded the driver and his car. two people were treated in hospital but later discharged, whilst a third person was assessed at the scene. here's what eyewitnesses at the scene yesterday had to say. a man driving towards the houses of parliament at speed. he was going pretty fast, in my opinion. you know, ithink it's a 20 mph zone. he was going at maybe a0 to 50 mph, maybe more. and he's driven into a bollard right at the houses of parliament. there's police there, obviously. police are guarding parliament. but he's driven into it. and in my opinion it was deliberate. there was no other... he didn't swerve into it.
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it was a direct hit. my initial reaction was to run after him, just because i thought he was an errant car driver. and then, as the police said clear the area, it became more apparent that was something serious. sadiq khan spoke this morning about what measures he is taking to make sure londoners feel safe in the aftermath. terrorists do not seek to just kill and injure but disrupt our way of life and i am reassured working with the government and the police and the security services and emergency services, we are doing all we can to keep our cities as safe as we can to keep our cities as safe as we possibly can, tourists and londoners will see in central london and increased police presence, some armed and some not, they will not see the convert work taking place by
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police and other experts. we always involve and find new ways to keep our city safe, just like the bad guys, our city safe, just like the bad guys, the terrorists are evolving to find new ways to harm us but we must not be complacent. we must always be tinkering to see if there is more we can do to keep our city as safe as we can. the former metropolitan police assistant commissioner told radio for what police officers will be looking for. there is two things they are looking to understand, first to the ideology and motivation behind the attack, any papers, documents, his online presence, data on devices are websites he has looked at, trying to understand what has led to this attack. the second issueis has led to this attack. the second issue is associations, is this a com pletely issue is associations, is this a completely solo act or has someone in the community been provoking him or indeed online have people overseas been inspiring and provoking him to conduct this
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attack? they are rapidly working through that to understand it. at the moment, they do not seem to find anything suggesting it is beyond him but they have to keep their mind and work very quickly. let's talk to dr evan lawrence a counter terror specialist at the university of central lancashire, and david videcette a former counter—terrorism detective at the metropolitan police and margaret gilmore a national security analysist. we are told the attacker was acting on his own, so what do you do to prevent lone wolf attacks? the key to dealing with what we call lone wolf attacks is not through the police and security services, of course we have got to have strong responses for those kind of things but the main thing to do is prevent them before they get to the point of being known to the police, it's much easier and much cheaper for the police and security services and
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eve ryo ne police and security services and everyone involved, both financially and resource wise to deal with people before they become known to the police. it's more effective, we've gotten into this situation where the public generally expected the police's job to stop terrorism but that's not actually the case, it's the police's job to catch criminals and there is a big difference between doing that work and preventing radicalisation and things like that. david, you think this country is behind the curve when it comes to vehicle attacks? this country is behind the curve when it comes to vehicle attack5?|j do, when it comes to vehicle attacks?” do, ithink when it comes to vehicle attacks?” do, i think we've seen this, these attack5 coming, it started off in palestine again5t attack5 coming, it started off in palestine against the israelis when the palestinians could not get their hands on weapons and ammunition and that sort of thing. it's been coming for some years. we then 5aw that sort of thing. it's been coming for some years. we then saw the attack in nice, we should have been
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more alert about what was going to happen in london la5t more alert about what was going to happen in london last year and the bridge5 happen in london last year and the bridges in particular, there is no 5treet bridges in particular, there is no street furniture, no benches are anything like that. they were particularly vulnerable, lot5 anything like that. they were particularly vulnerable, lots of touri5t5 particularly vulnerable, lots of tourists and we should have been thinking ahead of the curve. i know there have been call5 thinking ahead of the curve. i know there have been calls this morning to pedestrianise the entire area so terrori5t5 cannot do this again, if indeed thi5 terrori5t5 cannot do this again, if indeed this is a terror attack because at the moment we don't actually know what this guy '5 motivations are. but we don't need to, they are completely, there are thing5 to, they are completely, there are things we can do to impede the vehicles on pavements and that's what we need to do. the suggestion of pedestrianise in areas like parliament square has come from amongst others the current head of the met, do you think it's time to do that? i think it's been a long project, three years, going on to do
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exactly that. wherever you live in the uk if you look at your local railway station you will see the area in front of it has got layer5 of pollard i5 area in front of it has got layer5 of pollard is now as more and more public places are being, the public i5 public places are being, the public is walking around, pedestrians are being protected. ithink is walking around, pedestrians are being protected. i think it happened, if you look at parliament 5quare, happened, if you look at parliament square, an area we happened, if you look at parliament 5quare, an area we both know very well, the amount of concrete and 5teel well, the amount of concrete and steel which has gone up around that area since the last attack 18 months ago is a huge amount. i was a5toni5hed18 months ago when they did not have that kind of concrete protection between the road and the pavement on the bridges, london bridge and westminster bridge, and that vulnerability the terrorists find out. but it's been dealt with. a lot is being done. also the final barrier which was there to protect the houses of parliament worked. it absolutely stopped the car in its tracks but had it not been there
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there could've been far more devastation. i think they are already a long way down the track, a huge amount is going on. should they go further? they are going as fast as they can, there is a limit as to how far you can go, they will not keep everywhere are safe, we know if a terrorist and i am not seeing this necessarily fits that character today, but if a terrorist wants to get to the public in a democracy they will be able to do so, we saw that in manchester, they will go elsewhere. you cannot have 10096 security. evan, what can lead someone security. evan, what can lead someone to security. evan, what can lead someone to carry security. evan, what can lead someone to carry out an act similar to this? and are tonnes of reasons, there is no one thing which makes a terrorist which is part of the problem when it comes to policing and security services because there are so many and security services because there are so many different variables which make someone become a terrorist. the push and pull factors we call them. some of them are
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things like poverty and education and foreign policy, those kind of things. also things like looking for acceptance, looking for belonging and things like that. there is no one standard work of a terrorist or action of the terrorist. we have to think about how we address vulnerability because that's the only thing these people have in common, that at some point in their life they are vulnerable to radicalisation, but also to things like organised crime, drugs, gangs, sexual exploitation, they are all radicalised in the same way. by dealing with one part of it we deal with all of those issues as well. that is one of the key thing is the police are trying to find out with the suspect that's in custody who has been named this morning. david,
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how has the profile of a terrorist suspect changed since 2005 when you we re suspect changed since 2005 when you were a counterterrorism detective in the met during the london bombings of seven slash seven. back in 2001 up of seven slash seven. back in 2001 up to 2005 most of the individuals we we re up to 2005 most of the individuals we were dealing with were below the page, they were a birtley religious, they fitted a particular mould and whilst they may have had a drink and drug problems in the past and perhaps swap to those problems for extremist behaviour which is quite often what happens, the profile is going to be changing if we look at what has happened in france, the sort of people who are going out and fighting in syria and iraq, they are very different now. a lot of them have current drink and drug problems so have current drink and drug problems so this hierarchy that used to exist where somebody would say i would like to carry out an attack and the
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hierarchy would say not worthy of it because you have these drink and drug problems and the rest of it, that does not happen any more. we have this kind of almost online radicalisation, and i use that term loosely because it does not happen online, but a lot of the motivation may get, they can do it remotely and often it's difficult to attract these people now because they don't have a lot of the associations were used to find, we would go after them if they were in contact with particular associates but often now we don't find that's the case and they become much harder to track so one of the changing profiles of them is makes it more difficult to get behind them before it happens. you agree? yes, we have seen a change in the past ten years or so where people are communicating in a different way, using social media and using
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different techniques that we hadn't seen different techniques that we hadn't seen previously in a very structured terrorist organisation. margaret gilmore, arts terrorism attacks a way of life now? you also get the copycat effect so this case might be different or, it could prove to be different or, it could prove to be different than the other one. this is someone who has been radicalised very recently. a5 is someone who has been radicalised very recently. as far as terrorism attacks go, we have never seen such attacks go, we have never seen such a complex or diverse set of threats. we have had the cell structures in paris a couple of years ago, that is still a threat, still threat from al-qaeda, still residual threats from the ira in northern ireland. and then you have the people who are home—grown, simply difficult to
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find. we have just heard your other guest talking about those. we also have to remember that more of these actual plots are being foiled than do get through. many of the security agencies are gutted when something like this happens because they haven't been able to stop it. but they cannot stop everything and that is why we are on such a high security alert and armed officers around parliament and city centres for such a long time to come. thank you all for coming on the programme. coming up... monkey dust, a new drug that makes people think they can jump of buildings, it is a class b drug, we think it should be upgraded to a class a drug. in simple terms, anti—semitism is described as hostility to, prejudice, or discrimination
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againstjewish people. but even the definition of the term has been the cause of debate in recent weeks as the labour anti—semitism row goes on. now, one of the most high profile lawyers in britain, mark lewis and his partner, mandy blumenthal, a property company director tell this programme in an exclusive joint interview, that they believe the level of anti—semitism in this country have become so severe that they no longer feel safe living here. instead they say, they're moving to israel and intend to do this by the end of the year. we can talk to them now. explain to our audience why you say you don't feel safe in britain any more? what has happened in britain to make us not feel safe is there has been a total climate change. it has become a cce pta ble total climate change. it has become acceptable to be anti—semitic. total climate change. it has become acceptable to be anti-semitic. has it? it's brought our people's
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feelings to the surface. it's almost like in your school, if there was a child in your class you didn't really know. they didn't affect you one way or another, but the so—called conceived cool kids in the class said don't like that child, don't be friendly with them, they are bad. a lot of people think, i don't like that child, they must be bad, iam don't like that child, they must be bad, i am not going to play with them. in fact, bad, i am not going to play with them. infact, i bad, i am not going to play with them. in fact, i am going to be nasty to them. what is your evidence that it nasty to them. what is your evidence thatitis nasty to them. what is your evidence that it is acceptable and who is the equivalent of the cool kids in your school, for example? the cool kids have become the labour party. it is not just have become the labour party. it is notjustjeremy have become the labour party. it is not justjeremy corbyn have become the labour party. it is not just jeremy corbyn and have become the labour party. it is notjustjeremy corbyn and it is not all of the labour party. but it is a very, very loud part of it that has
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actually enabled this anti—semitism to foster in the uk and throughout society. he has become so cool. at glastonbury, everybody was chanting his name. he is some kind of pop idol, some kind of hero. people are actually looking at what the depth of what he has said. i have looked at the depth of what he has said and ican give at the depth of what he has said and i can give you countless examples of when he has said anti—semitism is absolutely unacceptable and has no place in the labour party. he wrote that in the guardian in august and he acknowledged there is a problem that the labour party is working to ove rco m e that the labour party is working to overcome and he said they had been too slow in processing cases of anti—semitic abuse. but he said that was changing. in march he said he was changing. in march he said he was sorry for the pockets of anti—semitism within labour. in a tweet in march he said i will never be anything but a militant opponent
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of anti—semitism. he said anti—semitism was repugnant. a couple of years ago he told the home affa i rs couple of years ago he told the home affairs select committee, anti—semitism is where you use at effo rts anti—semitism is where you use at efforts to criticise people for being jewish and when you attack jewish people for being what they are, it is unacceptable. but yet you answer your own question with what you have just read out. two years ago it was a problem, one year ago it was a problem, march it was a problem, august, it is still a problem. do you accept he is making progress with public assertions it is unacceptable within the labour party, within britain?” is unacceptable within the labour party, within britain? i don't think he's making any progress at all. but you will acknowledge he is trying to. i don't think he's trying to. what do you think those statements are about? it is a distraction, he moved a rock and the anti—semites
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crawled out from underneath it. they are not going back. we talked about the effect of social media, it has caused so much harm. what used to be an acceptable position that you could control a bunch of far right nut cases who mightjoin could control a bunch of far right nut cases who might join the national front or the british national front or the british national party cover it is now acceptable. a lot of people watching would say it is not an acceptable conversation. my experience is different. give us some examples. recently, i have just had someone saying, the due lewis, gives me great pleasure to see him in a wheelchair. someone was sent to prison but threatening to kill me for being jewish. that was sent by an e—mailto for being jewish. that was sent by an e—mail to someone who thought he could hide from it. it was
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originally on twitter and then he got a brave and decided to e—mail me to tell me to watch my back. 15 years ago there was anti—semitism but it was obscure. 20 years ago somebody painted a swastika on my garage door and said it was a message. but they were something you could almost laugh. but now with social media, it is almost every day. you say, you mix in these circles where people who condemn things, if you complain about anti—semitism, the most anti—semitic thing is said back to you, you are making it up and you haven't got the right... who tells that to you, you are making it up? you are bombarded by loads of people who claim to represent momentum and the labour party. you have this bizarre situation withjeremy party. you have this bizarre situation with jeremy corbyn and the munich thing. jeremy corbyn has
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admitted he was there, jeremy corbyn has admitted he had a wreath and jeremy corbyn has admitted there where munich plotters. that explained why he was there.” understand what he said... they and others were paying their respects to those killed in in israeli air raid in 1985, including civilians.” understand what he said, but i am bombarded with people defending him saying he wasn't even there, he didn't lay a wreath. that is not his responsibility if people get the fa cts responsibility if people get the facts wrong. it is important to say that words are cheap. i honestly believe that when i hearjeremy corbyn's words, they are cheap, they are excuses. they are not actually expressing his true feelings. you don't believe him? i don't believe him. let me give you some actions he
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has taken as leader of the labour party to tackle anti—semitism, which he has acknowledged that in the party. the new time limits on disciplinary cases, the roll—out of training and the publication that anti—semitism is not acceptable in the labour party. the speed anti—semites are being expelled. the appointment of a qc. none of those things are actually, if you measure the action rather than words. you cannot have it both plates, words are cheap and now the actions are cheap. everything is cheaper. the actions don't really follow. he said the disciplinary proceedings would be finished by the end ofjuly. it hasn't even started. the only people who have been expelled quickly and action that has been taken quickly is the likes about margaret hodge, who have spoken out about racism.
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the community security trust, a charity that protects british dues from anti—semitism, they said in the first six months of this year they recorded 8% less of anti—semitic incidents than last year? there might be fewer incidents, but those incidents are directed and you are seeing a numberof incidents are directed and you are seeing a number of people are committing things who are not a grievous attack on someone but they are relentless attacks on people, drip, drip effect to say you are not welcome here. can social media beast stewing your view? no, because it is not just stewing your view? no, because it is notjust in social media i have seen different things. it is with the general public, with the different views and with friends. we all socialise with people, conversations
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get onto different subjects. 0ne socialise with people, conversations get onto different subjects. one of the subjects around the dinner table at the moment, if you get people who arejewish or at the moment, if you get people who are jewish or notjewish, at the moment, if you get people who arejewish or notjewish, it is turning to anti—semitism. people are saying, not loudly in front of people, but people are, in the majority of circles i mix in, are actually talking about options of leaving here because of anti—semitism, of what has actually happened to them. notjust on social media, within the workplace, within different social surroundings. do you know anyone who has actually emigrated? yes, yes. quite a lot of people. how many? lots of people have because of this and just about everybody i mix with, even people i've come across for the first time will tell you, jewish people, they
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are thinking about the next stage. is that the answer, to lead britain, because you know, go to israel, which is where you say you are intending to move to at the end of the year. the online abuse could still continue? the online abuse will still continue. the israelis might not like me because i am to left, they might not like me because lam too left, they might not like me because i am too right, whatever but they will not be slightly because i am jewish. there is only so much you can take when you are getting threats to kill you, getting threats from people saying they want you to be ill, it is a drip, drip effect. you say enough is enough, i am not going to stay here and put up with this. britain pretends to be this great bastion of freedom forjewish people. it probably is historically, but in 1290 they killed jewish people. we have only been allowed backin people. we have only been allowed
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back in the country in 1660. that was a long time ago. some will accuse you of saying this for political motivations because you are members of the uk zionist party... hold on, what is the uk zionist party? you say i am a member of the use k zionist party? that was the information i was given. you used to be a member of labour i think? the old thing is, i am being attacked for being a right wing person. in fact, i have probably done as much as anybody can do. i have ta ken done as much as anybody can do. i have taken on the great bastions of right wing power, i have attacked rupert murdoch. the only person who has ended up closing down the news of the world newspaper. it is not much more, i have attacked katie hopkins, i have done all these, what might be seen to be left—wing
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things, but now i am the enemy from the right wing because i happen to save this populist movement under jeremy corbyn is dangerous for jewish people and it is time for me to get out. a conservative peer was also at that wreath—laying ceremony, should he apologise? i think you should, i don't think anti—semitism just comes from the left. does being in the cemetery automatically make you anti—semitic? cemetery automatically make you anti-semitic? it does not, but what does make you anti—semitic is when you are laying a wreath and you are laying a wreath and covering it up effectively, lying about it, when you are laying a wreath on the perpetrator of a murderer... which he denies. firstly he denied laying wreath, i might have been there but not involved but it was only when he saw the picture he said ok, i was there and more involved than i said.
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yeah, you can refute things but let's be sensible, you are holding a wreath. you know what's going on. you cannot always just deny everything and shrug it off. you can if you say it's not true. but the evidence is so strong against him, it's not just him evidence is so strong against him, it's notjust him saying, it's pictures, people have gone to the cemetery and seen where the graves are, it is so obvious. people say jeremy corbyn must be the most unlucky person in the world for sharing all these platforms and being at all these places which are questionable, how much bad luck can someone questionable, how much bad luck can someone have? the labour party has sent us a statement. they say "jeremy corbyn is a militant opponent of antisemitism and is determined to eradicate all forms of antisemitism from our party and wider society. the labour party and jeremy corbyn
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are fully committed to the support, defence and celebration of the jewish community, and any labour government would take all necessary measures to guarantee the security and wellbeing ofjewish people. jeremy corbyn and jennie formby, labour s new general secretary, have made it their priority to take concrete action to tackle antisemitism in the party, and to work to rebuild trust and confidence among jewish communities. i want to ask you... that is the political equivalent of some of my best friends are jewish. it's not enough, that is the problem. best friends are jewish. it's not enough, that is the problemm there anything that would change of mind? i don't think there is anything that can be done because as i have said before jeremy corbyn has done the damage, there is nothing jeremy corbyn can do that will undo the damage, you cannot put the genie back into the bottle. anti—semitism has escaped, it's an acceptable view. it's the only racism where you
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can say i want to complain about anti—semitism somebody will say but yes, what about israel, what about that, what about this, you would never do that about any other allegation of racism and it's quite right you would never do that. 0k, when are you reading? december. definitely? i am looking for a leaving date around december, i will still do my work and am still contactable. i willjust be living ina different contactable. i willjust be living in a different place. thank you very much for talking to us. just to clarify, the conservative peer was not at the lethal brain, he was at the peace conference. —— he was not at the wreath laying. still to come the existence of rhinos is under threat from poachers, british soldiers are now part of the effort to protect some of the world's most iconic animals and we have been
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seeing them in action. we'll bring you the latest news and sport, before that the weather. this morning we have mixed fortunes, a north south split, the north and the west seem a bit more cloud and also some rain, as become further south and east we have got drier conditions and we have sunshine and asa conditions and we have sunshine and as a result it will feel that bit warmer. what is happening today is we have two weather fronts, two cold fronts moving across our shores taking rain with them as they do so. looking at the isobars it's almost quite a blustery day in prospect. we have a lot of cloud first then, two whether funds producing rain have a lot of cloud first then, two whetherfunds producing rain into northern england, the second one is seeing the rain pick—up across northern ireland and scotland as we go through the course of the afternoon. looking at the high—resolution model you can see where we expect the rain to be roughly but also brighter skies across the far north—east,
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temperatures in aberdeen getting up to 20. some of the rain coming across the north of northern ireland, dry weather, across cumbria and lancashire, extending through wales and for the rest of england particularly the midlands and east anglia and the south east we are looking at sunny spells developing as we go through the afternoon and feeling pleasantly warm. through the evening and overnight as both our fronts sent south they will merge into one band of rain, ahead of them in the south—east staying dry, still blustery, behind them across scotla nd blustery, behind them across scotland and northern ireland dry conditions and clear skies but a peppering of showers across north—west scotland and northern ireland, the temperature range 11-17, ireland, the temperature range 11—17, feeling quite muggy as we pushed down to the south—eastern corner. you can see quite nicely for thursday we've got our fronts, one front eventually pushing down towards the south—east, it's a cold front so cooler conditions following behind. as indicated by the yellow and some of the blue, the warmer air
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as represented by the oranges fishing off onto the new continent. it's not just fishing off onto the new continent. it's notjust the change in temperature but we will also see the rain continuing to move towards east anglia, pushing through southern counties and into the channel islands. but it there will be a lot of dry weather which will feel fresher and will be a lot of showers across parts of scotland, northern england and northern ireland, some of those in western scotland in particular could be heavy and thunder bay. look at the difference in temperatures we have had on wednesday the mid—20s in parts of the south—east, on thursday below average, back down to the high teens. freddie sees a lot of dry weather any new system coming from the west, cloud and patchy rain with showers ahead of it. brighter skies in the south—east is where we will see the temperatures, 2223, another blustery day, windy in the north—west and that companies with the rain it will feel cool. hello it's wednesday, it's 10:00,
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i'm victoria derbyshire. users say they feel super human, with the power to leap off buildings, but police tell us it's only a matter of time before someone dies under the influence of it. the synthetic drug, monkey dust. we've been talking to users. some are now calling for the illegal class b drug to upgraded to class a to help tackle the dangerous rise in its use. we find out how british soldiers in malawi are helping to stop elephant and rhino poaching. it's 50—50 whether they willjust run away whether they will charge at you. so you've always got to be sort of looking around for places you can go just in case they do decide to charge. so it's pretty dangerous.
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new research says thousands of splitting couples are forced to exaggerate problems in the marriages in order to secure a divorce. we'll be speaking to broadcaster trisha goddard about her experience and asking if the law should make it easier for couples to split amicably. good morning it's 10:00am. here'sjoanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the day's news. the driver in yesterday's suspected terror attack in westminster has been identified as 29—year—old salih khater, originally from sudan. it's believed he was not previously known to police. raids at three addresses in the midlands, were also carried out overnight. it's the second attack in westminster in less than 18 months. a massive rescue operation is continuing in the italian city of genoa trying to find more survivors in the rubble of a motorway bridge that collapsed in torrential rain. dozens of vehicles fell about 45 metres when a 200 metre long
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section of the concrete bridge came down in heavy storms. italy's interior minister says the death toll has now risen to 38 people. drjohn knapton, is a consulting civil engineer, and says the bridge's structure should have lasted for many more decades. a bridge should last 120 years, this was about 50 years old, so it's not as if it was an old bridge, in that sense. but certainly it's been high maintenance bridge over the last 25 years. in particular, the concrete from which the tower which collapsed is manufactured, has required a lot of attention. there's been corrosion of the embedded reinforcing steel and repairs have been carried out from time to time. detectives have charged 31 people with offences including rape and trafficking, after an investigation into sexual offences against children in the huddersfield area. 30 men and one woman will appear at kirklees magistrates‘ court next month.
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west yorkshire police say the five alleged victims were girls aged between 12 and 18, with the offences said to have occurred between 2005 and 2012. rail fares are set to rise by 3.2% injanuary — based upon inflation figures published in the past half an hour. the amount is based upon the retail price index. but the transport secretary chris grayling says he wants rail fare increases and industry wages to be determined by the lower measure of inflation, cpi — which was 2.5% injuly. union leaders say they'll fight any attempt to impose a "pay cap" on its members. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. we will talk about monkey dust, and illegal class b synthetic drug, campaigners calling for it to be up to class a to halt the dangerous rise of use in some parts of the
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country, we will get your views, some of you who have used it and some of you who have used it and some of you who have dealt with people using it which is a real issue for the emergency services. do get in touch with us throughout the morning, use the hashtag victoria live. if you re emailing and are happy for us to contact you and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. let's get some sport now. john watson is at the bbc sport centre. plenty of debate this morning over ben stokes recall to the england squad having been cleared of affray yesterday he will now face the ecb's independent investigation which will begin after the third test with india. the panel will decide if he faces india. the panel will decide if he fa ces a ny india. the panel will decide if he faces any further action for bringing the game into disrepute, he missed the second test because of the trial but was immediately recalled after yesterday's not guilty verdict, he plays at trent bridge and will be back in the spotlight. let's get more from jonathan agnew who spoke to us on the programme this morning. it's that firebrand nature that makes him
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the cricketer he is, on the field it is channelled, focused on bowling and batting, whatever it might be but clearly there is an issue away from the cricket field that he has to address and what will happen in this hearing is the cdc, it's a bit ofa this hearing is the cdc, it's a bit of a strange name, the cricket disciplinary commission which is independent from the board will look at that footage and everything around it, not just at that footage and everything around it, notjust the cctv which will be around forever of course, they have to decide whether or not on that night the game was brought into disrepute. jonathan agnew talking to us earlier, not a great night for celtic, missing out on a place in the champions league group phase after losing the second leg of last night qualifier, 1—1 from the first leg they had to score against the greek champions but went down 2-0, it the greek champions but went down 2—0, it means they miss out on a spotin 2—0, it means they miss out on a spot in the lucrative competition for the first time under brendan rodgers, the did pull a goal back but it was not enough, they will have to play a team from latvia or
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lithuania for a place in the europa league. kyle edmund is out of the cincinnati masters, the british number one losing in the second round in straight sets to denis shapovalov, serena williams is also out after losing to petra kvitova. we just wanted to show you these pictures... sit down! nobody taught! sit down! and animated pep guardiola showing how feisty a dressing room can be, it forms part of a behind—the—scenes documentary, documenting the highs and lows of manchester city's record—breaking season, most points, most goals, kevin de bruyne being mobbed by his team—mates after scoring the winner against chelsea. in the beginning it against chelsea. in the beginning it a little bit weirder, you don't know the people you're working with but
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then after time you forget they are there because the people are there every single day. you get to know them, you become familiar and it gets easier. when you hear white stripes and seven nation army do you ever sing your stripes and seven nation army do you ever sing your own stripes and seven nation army do you ever sing your own name? your mac no. honestly. ido ever sing your own name? your mac no. honestly. i do not sing it. it just came everywhere i go the senate. that is out from all or nothing which is out on prime video on friday, you can see the full interview with kevin de bruyne on saturday. it's only a matter of time before someone dies. that's what police in staffordshire have told this programme— as they tackle the spread in use of the synthetic drug monkey dust. they are saying its prevalance on the streets of stoke is now a "public health crisis".
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users can pick up the drug on the street for as little as £2. it causes extreme paranoia, violence and hallucinations. when on the drug, people can feel as if they have super human powers and carry out dangerous acts, including climbing up and jumping off buildings, like monkeys — hence the name. rick kelsey reports from stoke on the impact the drug is having. it's a city with a unique problem. monkey dust is a man—made synthetic drug. it's illegal and rated class b. emergency services in this part of the midlands say its use is at epidemic levels. this man on the roof later jumps, lands on a car and then gets up and has to be restrained, unaware of his multiple serious injuries. harry is a doorman in the city centre. he has to deal with it daily. monkey dust, and variations of the same thing, is making all our lives difficult. not just for my work, but for the local businesses or for any locals that come into this town. and have a look at what's going on and how bad it's getting.
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it's difficult for everyone. how do you deal with it when you see people coming towards the door who are using it? i try to find new ways of trying to get through to these people. personally, myself, i believe we spend too much time pushing what we don't like away from us. we need to bring people in closer and start educating people and maybe we can do a little something to get closer to people. monkey dust has been known to make users feel they have superhuman strength. many people we spoke to told us they'd seen the effects of people high on the drug. smithy has been using it over the past year. it's just like crack but better. you feel like... why do people like the effects of it so much? how cheap is it?
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we keep asking people, where are the main places that people are actually taking monkey dust? some say by the bus stop. others said by the clock tower. but mostjust say the city centre. that's why i stopped doing it. charlie is a student. he tried monkey dust a few times, but says he would never do it again. i feel weird. i feel like when i first took it, i was walking like a zombie. so, yeah, it's not actually clever.
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did you feel powerful? no. just feel stupid. we've been doing lots of stuff at college about taking drugs. what's bad for you as well. so, monkey dust is like the worst one in stoke. the drug can stop users feeling pain, while causing hallucinations and making people highly unpredictable. staffordshire police say they filed 950 reports in three months relating to monkey dust — that's ten a day. although they may be some of the same users. in the daytime i'm ok with it because i've got my friends, or i go out and look for work. but at night time i won't go out, because at night time that's when people tend to come out. you know, people on the drugs, that's when the drug dealing tends to happen as well. because of monkey dust? because of monkey dust and drugs in general, especially monkey dust because it makes the people so strong and off their heads.
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i mean, at night time when it'sjust the streetlights, or you see someone who's on this monkey dust, and they're swinging arms around, they're shouting and screaming, that would frighten me to death. they're moving their arms and their eyes are bugging, and they're screaming at people for no reason. and like, i can't go to burton because they scare me. i've seen loads of people on them. is it clear they are on monkey dust compared to another drug? yeah, it is clear because it makes them incredibly strong. there have been police reports saying they struggle to grip them down when they have been arrested. monkey dust as well, again, it makes them off their heads. it's not normal. so, you could just see a normal person walking, and they're walking, just swinging their arms around. they're shouting, they're screaming. it's definite they're on monkey dust. why stoke? why is this problem so big in stoke and not anywhere else? i think it'sjust stoke in general. like, it's going down like either way. there's many people coming in. you've got all the drug dealers. you've got weed and just the normal drugs, and then you've got this
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monkey dust. because it's so, you know, the drug dealers are only selling it for £2 a bag, so at the end of the day the £2 a bag, the more people buy it, the more money they make. with it being so cheap, there's got to be a lot more people are stoke—on—trent as well. we have seen major outbreaks of specific synthetic drugs such as spice in manchester and lincoln. but this new make—up is causing a different challenge for emergency services. let's talk now to darren murinas who is a former drug addict and dealer. he first came across monkey dust when he was in prison. and gareth snell is the labour mp for stoke—on—trent. paula reece is from ukat, a national drug rehabilitation service. william morris, works with stoke s homeless community. dr 0liver sutcliffe has developed the first drugs tester for spice in manchester. we will find out how it might be
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releva nt to we will find out how it might be relevant to this monkey dust. darren, you came across it in prison, what effect did you see it was doing to users? the health and mental and physical health. they would suffer from extreme powerful hallucinations. these would be hallucinations. these would be hallucinations hearing voices and their erratic behaviour. you say people got, what you describe, ten men's syndrome? yes, sometimes people would find the strength of ten men and stuff and smash up their houses and their properties. there has been some cases where some of the organisations we work with, some of the people using this stuff have smashed through walls believing people are inside the walls watching them. ripping up theirfloorboards
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because they think people are underneath, trying to get them. this is really bad stuff. how bad? i have taken drugs a lot in my life and i am not proud of that, victoria. this is something i would never stuff, i would stay 100 miles away from it. i have been around for a number of yea rs, have been around for a number of years, i was involved in taking drugs for over 20 years and i have never come across this sort of stuff before and what it is doing, damaging people and the community of stoke on trent. we have been contacted stoke on trent. we have been co nta cted by stoke on trent. we have been contacted by michael, who was watching this morning. michael has taken this stuff, can you hear me 0k? yes i can. thank you the talking to us on the programme, what effect did this have on you when you talk it? it is like going into another dimensional. i haven't got words for
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the off your head. i was a drug addict for 30 years, amphetamine. my drug history spans over 37 years. all the drugs i've taken, don't get me wrong, i have been around the bush more times than a paper boy with deja vu. but this stuff turned me intoa with deja vu. but this stuff turned me into a zombie, the living dead. if you come into stoke town centre, you see people fighting over rubbish in bins. they are like rats off a ship. they are all people under the influence of it? yes they are. there is somebody within 500 yards of where i live and he was up on the roof. the police cordoned off the area. the local hostels, they are
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harbouring it. i have no evidence as to whether that is true or not, and they are not here to speak for themselves, i want to hear of your experience of it, how did you take it? i started to smoke it and then i was injecting it. now? i am clean, i have been clean for nearly 12 months. i am have been clean for nearly 12 months. lam in have been clean for nearly 12 months. i am in counselling and everything. the thing that stopped me,| everything. the thing that stopped me, ifound everything. the thing that stopped me, i found a large bag of it and i have a large amount of it in one go. i cannot describe what happened to me. isaw i cannot describe what happened to me. i saw myself hanging from a rope with my teeth pulled out with loads of self harm injuries to my body, that was a hallucination. when i came down off it, i found nine grams of it, about £900 of it. so you can
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imagine, after that i put it down the toilet and since then i have been clean, away from drugs. thank you, michael, let me bring in gareth snell, the labour mp for stoke—on—trent and paul rees. what are you calling for? we are looking for the public health of england to raise awareness around this drug. we are looking for it to become a class are looking for it to become a class a drug so it hammers home the horrific nature and effects of this drug. so upgrading from a class b drug. so upgrading from a class b drug on the similar level to herring? absolutely. people are getting hooked from their first use and then there is no going back. it is creating havoc, much like spice
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did in manchester. gareth sellers, asa did in manchester. gareth sellers, as a politician would you back the call to it to be recrossed the fight? it shouldn't be a class b drug, it should be seen as something more sinister and dangerous. if that is the approach the police are calling for, i will support that. what difference do you think it would make if it was reclassified? the fact that it seems like it is cheap, £2 a packet, gives the idea it's not as damaging. this is a serious offence by dealing it and by taking it and i think it would mean we can take some greater activity to prevent the flow into the city. 0ne of the things the police have told me is the intelligence they need to identify where it is coming from hasn't been found yet. the more we can do to help the police deal with
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the intelligence side well working with current users to take them off the substance, we can address this holistically. it has got to be seen asa holistically. it has got to be seen as a public health issue. what does that mean in terms of resources? policing, staffordshire, like most counties, we have lost 500 police officers over the last eight years. but what we do know is the lack of support for drug and alcohol rehabilitation programmes here has had an impact. behind one of these users is a had an impact. behind one of these users is a person had an impact. behind one of these users is a person who has a chaotic life. we should do what we can to help them stop using it. the more we can do to stop the flow of it into the city, the more we can prevent it going further. i have seen the
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effects of this and we cannot deal with individuals as individual cases, there has to be a whole approach to this to prevent it becoming an epidemic. the government keep/ control under constant review and relies on independent advice from the advisory council from the misuse of drugs to inform its decisions regarding reclassification. william, you work with homeless people in stoke, how prevalent is it? i am from stafford which is about ten miles south of stoke—on—trent. what it tells you actually is that monkey dust has already expanded out from the stoke area. it will be across the united kingdom. in answer to your question specifically, we have seen a growth in the use of monkey dust, probably in the use of monkey dust, probably in the last nine months to a year. it is at, what i would regard as crisis point in terms of how we are
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dealing with it. it comes out as an issue around homelessness and vulnerability and because it is so cheapit vulnerability and because it is so cheap it is the drug of choice for those on the edge of the margins of our society. what impact is it having on people? it is the most challenging experience that myself and my colleagues working. the physicality and the destruction of individuals is horrendous. the other thing is the massive impact. the continuous breakdown of people's chaotic lives. the previous gentlemen, the labourmp chaotic lives. the previous gentlemen, the labour mp for stoke, got it right. critical to this is address the social issues that bring people to this devastating point of taking something that is potentially going to kill them. it's only a matter of time before somebody dies, do you agree?” totally agree... i expect people have already died on it and it's not
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been recorded, whether it's through someone been recorded, whether it's through someone taking their own life or health reasons but i believe people have already died from this drug. let me bring in oliver, sorry, william, what are you going to say? i it's" , you william, what are you going to say? | it's, you hear things,, ,, , are ,, about things retrospectively, we are already living this. it will already livingthi5.1t will—have already livingthi5.1t will—have 0liver already livingthi5.1t will—have 0liver at you have happened. oliver at you have developed the first test her spice, how might this be relevant for monkey dust? good morning, i think, asa monkey dust? good morning, i think, as a chemist and a scientist i think it's quite clear to put things into context, that has been some preliminary testing taking place which seems to imply this compound which seems to imply this compound which is circulating is a compound called ndp h. p. which is circulating is a compound called ndp h.p. which is a slightly newer derivative of aiken trolled
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substance that was banned in 2010 and is class b. the compound is already restricted. it's not as well understood in terms of how it works, it's not fully understood in terms of its chemistry, its door. and potentially that might mean individuals don't know how much how to take and therefore that is why you are seeing the significant to take and therefore that is why you are mdpv the significant to take and therefore that is why you are mdpv has significant to take and therefore that is why you are mdpv has been icant to take and therefore that is why you are mdpv has been linked with effects. mdpv has been linked with psychosis as well which links with the substance itself, as well as how we will approach it, using the spice situation in manchester, we have been working with uk industry, we have been working with the police to develop this technology and this application to allow the police to identify dangerous substances on the
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street, very rapidly within 15 minutes, potentially, and allow them to respond very, and feed that information back through an early warning system, back through to health professionals, counselling services and i think that's the most important thing, the technology we have got can be applied and its potentially can be used to inform and also as you mentioned the intelligence from the police, the police because they are involved in this can gain intelligence from it. i want to ask darren bird his reaction i would invite gareth to come and see this device if he wishes to! i laughter but darren new have not taken monkey
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dust but i wonder if it would make a difference, homeless people are drawn to it because it's so cheap, if it was reclassified it would make no difference would it?” if it was reclassified it would make no difference would it? i don't think so, does it make any difference to the number of people who take cocaine in this country? it will mean more stiff prison sentences for those dealing it so it should be but for the people who are buying it i do not believe it being a different class would make any difference with the price of this drug at the moment. and your final response? well, for me, i think it starts at the beginning, so it is an awareness exercise | starts at the beginning, so it is an awareness exercise i believe. it is educating people about where this stuff can take you. years ago i remember with crystal meth having a similar impact saw this thing is continuous, whatever you call the
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drug, spice or monkey dust, whatever, there needs to be an awareness around the mental and bodily effects this has on people and where it can lead. which is ultimately, you know, death. thank you all for coming on the programme, we appreciate your time very much. the cost of regulated rail fares will increase by 3.2% next year, in line with the retail price index measure of inflation. chris grayling has written to the unions and the rail industry suggesting the consumer price index should be used instead. the rate of consumer price index inflation was 2.5%. i'm joined by our correspondent andy verity. let's talk about the fears rising first —— fares rising fast?
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let's talk about the fears rising first -- fares rising fast? the expectation was the retail prices index would show a rise of 3.5% which could have made it even worse. what we are talking about is the cap on regulated railfares, season tickets, some any time fares, there isa cap, tickets, some any time fares, there is a cap, real companies do not have to raise fares by that much but nonetheless they always have done because they have costs to cover and why not take the opportunity if it is there. from a commuter ‘s point of view, i am a season ticket holder andi of view, i am a season ticket holder and i suspect you might be as well, it is difficult to see season tickets rising by more than earnings arising and more than the rest of the cost of living year after year. bearin the cost of living year after year. bear in mind retail price index has been discredited as a statistic, it's not been officially targeted by the bank of england as a short measure of the cost of living since 2003. the office for national
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statistics does not put it on its publications front—page because it says it's not an official statistics. and yet it is used to upgrade railfears statistics. and yet it is used to upgrade rail fears and statistics. and yet it is used to upgrade railfears and the statistics. and yet it is used to upgrade rail fears and the level of interest on student loans for example, the level of interest when the government borrows money in the markets and issues bonds to borrow money from private investors sold are all these inconsistencies whereas for example the government is shelling out pensions it only goes up with the consumer prices index, 2.5%, railfares go up by 3.4%. right now 16 british soldiers are in the african country of malawi, helping rangers with their fight against animal poaching. it's a problem as we know across africa — especially for the rhino whose existence is under threat because of their valuable horns, and for the elephant — with tens of thousands being killed every year for their ivory tusks. radio 1 newsbeat‘s been given exclusive access tojoin our soldiers — and to see what effect they're having.
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here's james waterhouse. a warning there are some images of dead animals coming up in this film. fuelled by greed, no matter what the cost. a rhino dies every seven minutes in africa. it's a problem with no easy fix. because mostjobs out here don't pay well, whereas if they get a rhino horn to sell its a pretty big payday. this is where poaching happens on the ground, but above us is a whole network of syndicates and cartels. i've never seen a rhino up close before. a kilo of rhino horn will go for £100,000. the british army has got involved in malawi and tries to protect some of the world's most endangered species. what's important for us is to make sure that our rangers on the ground are fully equipped and trained, in the best position to fulfil their duties, to protect the area. when we leave for patrols, we celebrate that we have
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come back alive. we are going to attack the enemy. yeah. he needs to be stopped. two types of patrol that we are engaged in while we're here. one is the long patrol where the soldiers will go out with two rangers and work through mentoring the men in various professional skills. he will decide which way he wants to move. yeah. either left or right. if he moves right, yeah, to there, the others, they will move left. yeah? he's now stopped firing. now, position clear. go. the other bit were where you are trying to learn as much as we can from these guys is where we attach the rhino trackers to all of the park elite. they're proper bushmen, theirfield craft is phenomenal.
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they know everything there is to know about finding a rhino, tracking rhino. they are not docile. they are short—sighted and bad—tempered. they have very good hearing and very good sense of smell. they are territorial and they don't like other things being in theirarea. they also know what humans smell like, and they don't like the smell of humans and they respond to the presence very quickly. there are 16 british soldiers in all. they're stationed in the south of malawi. the situation is, it's near the end of the month, so we're getting close to payday. we are expecting an increased demand for bush meat. one of the jobs, joining the experienced malawian rhino trackers. we are expecting to see, maybe to encounter poachers, which... they need rhino. so always we be ready. the point of the patrol is to check the rhinos' health and
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see their general behaviour. a device around their neck tells the trackers what direction they are in and how far away they are. it's 50—50 as to whether they'll turn back and run away, or whether they'll charge straight at you. so, you've always got to be sort of looking around for places you can go, just in case they do decide to charge. so, it's pretty dangerous. he's coming. yeah. then it's time to get out of the way. quickly. as a young boy i always wanted to work with animals.
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veterinary kind of work. on a patrol that lasts for days, chad joins the rangers on the skills of being a soldier. we communicate mostly with hand signals. we try to minimise the talking as much as possible. if we do end up talking, it's a very soft whisper. in turn, the rangers show him how best to find the animals under threat, like lions, elephants and rhinos, in what is a challenging environment. you don't really have time to think. most of the time you are just concentrating on the environment itself. if i was to come across a poacher in the community and i was introduced to him, i would ask his reasons for doing it. and what he thinks the consequences will be if he does get caught. it's not a matter of if he gets caught, it's a matter of when he gets caught. and he will go to jail.
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that's the hope at least. the illegal wildlife trade is a big business, with up to £17 billion a year. take a rhino horn. it's more expensive than cocaine, heroin or gold, and up to £50,000 a kilo. in the last 50 years, black rhino numbers have dropped from 70,000 to 5500. the country's elephant population has halved from 4000 in the 1980s to 2000 in 2015. not only that, malawi is one of the poorest countries in the world. historically, people have poached here to make a small bit of money orjust to eat. translation: i became a poacher in 1995. after we kill the animal, we bring it here, we sell it, we get a little income. and from there we go and find something to eat. so that made us to go and do poaching. in majete in particular the poaching is
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low and on sustainable levels. we here are really on the ground level. this is where poaching happens on the ground. but above us is a whole network of syndicates and cartels and, you know, a whole trade of wildlife. craig talks about a new threat compared to climate change, disease and weapons of mass destruction. international organised crime powered by a wealthy black market, mostly in asian countries like china and vietnam. while majete looks totally wild, it's very controlled. the armed rangers and electric fences mean most people have to pay to get in. however, because of that there have been no rhinos or elephants poached for 15 years. these british soldiers have been welcomed here, and the rangers say they have benefited. they are only here for a few months though.
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what about when they are gone? does the british military have the background and the skills itself to train rangers beyond that hard line end of poaching? all your messages about the interview with mark lewis and mandy, the couple who are intending to leave the country at the end of the year because of anti—semitism. someone said, i left the uk 15 years ago because i couldn't stand the climate. good to see the couple you interviewed today say they are leaving because of their own reasons. the problem lies with
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education that should teach identity comes from your own sense of purpose and understanding rather than the event of being born into a country or religion where you didn't have a choice. an e—mail says, as a british jewish person i don't agree it is u nsafe to jewish person i don't agree it is unsafe to live in uk. my father came here from checkers are back here because the uk was safe and i have lived here all my life and felt safe. so have my extended family. the recent smear campaign against jeremy corbyn has been orchestrated, because for the first time in uk history, we will have a labour leader who is a supporter of palestinian rights. tracy has sent a message, you cannot label someone as
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anti—semitic because people are talking about the atrocities of these really government and this is not targeted atjewish people. somebody says making a statement of intent doesn't make it true. jeremy corbyn has to say he is against anti—semitism and it doesn't constitute evidence this is so. matthew harris says, ijust happened to see a defensivejeremy corbyn rather than impartiality on the bbc. you never hear the bbc challenge any other minority guessed in this way. pam says it is outrageous you are pandering to smears againstjeremy corbyn and labour. i am appalled at anti—semitism, racism or bigotry. i am sad it has been weaponised to beat a decent, honest man with and members of the labour party like
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myself will keep working to make sure anti—semitism, islamophobia and racism is stamped out, notjust in my party, but in my country. according to research out today, thousands of couples that want to get divorced are exaggerating problems in their marriages. solicitors, slater and gordon say that a survey they commissioned suggests one in three lie about cheating, their partner's behaviour and the length of their separation in order to get round the divorce laws. the survey also suggests there's a negative impact on children — with 42% of couples saying that being forced to blame their partner for the breakdown of the marriage left their children upset. let's talk now to tv presenter trisha goddard, who used australian laws to get a no—fault divorce from her husband last year. emma gill a divorce lawyer.
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sara davison who is described as a ‘divorce coach', providing emotional and practical support for people facing break—up and divorce. and in shropshire is gavin ashenden who until last year was chaplain to the queen for almost a decade. why did you use yourjewel national lrt to get a divorce last year?” did look at the british courts first but then i realised it would be very public and then i would have to drag my now ex—husband's reputation through the mud and i would have to exaggerate a lot of things to meet the criteria. bite going —— by going through the australian laws, i did it online from where i was living in connecticut. it is not an easy process , connecticut. it is not an easy process, it takes a long time and you have to reflect, have lots of
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documents notarised. you have to have been separated for a year and one day. i met all the criteria and basically, he was served with papers the day before, i told him about it the day before, i told him about it the day before he was served with papers. he had the opportunity to say no. it would have been very difficult for him. then you are given 21 days cooling off period. he signed the papers and 21 days later we we re signed the papers and 21 days later we were divorced. i didn't have to go through the courts, i didn't have to have a lot of mudslinging. i didn't want my children, even though they were grown—up, i didn't want them dragged into it.” they were grown—up, i didn't want them dragged into it. i didn't have them dragged into it. i didn't have the publicity. for someone as high—profile as yourself, we understand but is that normal for someone understand but is that normal for someone else? i didn't want to drag his name through the mud.”
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someone else? i didn't want to drag his name through the mud. i didn't wa nt to his name through the mud. i didn't want to do that. gavin, no—fault divorce, not necessarily easy as saying your partner cheated on you, or there has been an irretrievable breakdown, what do you say to her? relationships are very difficult and marriage is very difficult. but they are not static, they are things that grow. most have an understanding about human development and people begin as children, then add the lessons and then grown—ups. marriages are not very different. there are psychological periods of development. there are about five, infatuation, followed by disillusionment, and then followed by if disillusionment, and then followed byifl disillusionment, and then followed by if i can change them, it will be better. then it is i cannot change them, this is disastrous. followed by some people, we have made it through and we understand each other and we lived together. there are points when you want to give up because it is too difficult. how do
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we understand marriage in our society and should we make it easy for people to give up? there is a lot to be said that looking back over the last 50 years... trisha goddard this shaking her head. giving up? 20 years, we were together. i hear what you are saying, in the australian courts, if you are married under two years, you have to go to counselling. what is one supposed to put up with, co nsta nt one supposed to put up with, constant infidelity, bullying, what ibe? constant infidelity, bullying, what i be? 20 years, ifought. by the timei i be? 20 years, ifought. by the time i had sat down and filled in the fourth, i had fought for my marriage for two years and it had dragged my mental health than to a dangerous point, and his. he saw me to breast cancer, we went through hell together. but after two years
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of fighting tooth and nail, what bad behaviour are you supposed to put up with in the hope that one day you'll be able to look at a person and say, i don't care what you have done to me, everything is hunky—dory. it is realistic. i am really sorry, that sounds dreadful and one can only offer solidarity of support, having had such a difficultjourney. we are talking about changing the law for everybody. your circumstances are your circumstances but you cannot make law or social policy by taking one person's experience. how do you react to this research that suggests so react to this research that suggests so many couples are making up stuff to get around the divorce laws?” understand entirely and i am very sympathetic. because we live in a more disposable society, on the whole, people like to do what they wa nt whole, people like to do what they want to do, when they can do it. it
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is difficult to find a balance through personal freedom and social policy. the more marriages that breakdown, the more people separate, households divide and the more the turmoil and social costs. you don't wa nt turmoil and social costs. you don't want divorce at all, of course. no one does in their right mind. but what you are opposed to is changing the uk divorce laws. emma, from your perspective as a divorce lawyer, what impact does the making up of claims about the other partner have on the kabul and potentially children? just to pick up on one point, non—op my clients have ever considered their relationship disposable. these are people who have gone through huge amounts of soul—searching. nobody has an argument ona soul—searching. nobody has an argument on a friday night and then rings the divorce lawyer on a saturday morning. this is years and
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years of fighting for relationships and making currents to our current law wouldn't negate it it would just make the process more smoother. maybe we don't want the process to be smoother. it needs to be for the emotional well—being be smoother. it needs to be for the emotional well— being of our society. you are agreeing, it needs to be for the emotional well—being? you are agreeing, it needs to be for the emotional well-being? having defined in issue and blame one of the parties causes huge amount of conflict. you can have amicable divorces where they are trying their best to be and michael —— amicable, then you have to apportion blame. you can separate the two years then you can just get the divorce? you still have to consent. the supreme court gave judgment a couple of weeks back but everyone in the country understands marriage is over apart from mr owens. he is making
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his wife stayed put and trapped in this relationship. it is an unusual case, is it relevant to most normal couples? it is because this research has highlighted that perhaps people have two exaggerate. i have had clients who have said, can't we just say i have had an affair, make something up? i have drafted behaviour particulars and said we will agree this if you let the divorce go through, just to try to find ways to navigate this antiquated divorce law. sarah, your experience from dealing with couples, counselling couples as they are potentially separating, what impact does it have on them and their children? with amicable divorces, it can cause problems but where there is conflict and i have seen some where there is conflict and i have seen some acrimonious divorces, it puts more fuel on the fire. if they are looking to get their relationship back on track after the
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divorce, it is harder. it is damaging for their children and then they suffered the repercussions of they suffered the repercussions of the conflict. by blaming the other party it gives them another reason to argue another piece of conflict and that can cause irreparable damage down the line. it can also damage down the line. it can also damage somebody‘s work chances. if it comes out, if they were accused of unreasonable behaviour, it is in the public domain, unless there are children involved. it can affect their work, theirfuture relationships. at the time when my husband and i were divorcing, at that stage he didn't oppose it, he access did it was over. we probably knew that before, but if i had had to blame him for certain things, would it have had an impact on his career? possibly, and maybe mine. before we get to the end of the
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programme, you have been married three times, would you consider marriage again? not in this country, no. not in australia. possibly another planet. america, maybe. thank you all for coming on the programme. bbc newsroom live is next. thank you watching today. good morning. we have got quite a bit of cloud at the moment. a weather front across northern and western parts of the uk bringing outbreaks of rain as well. down towards the south—east something drier and brighter, some sunny spells. warm in the sunshine across the south—east of england this afternoon. a fair amount of cloud and this is one photograph from this
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morning in northern ireland. with that, patchy rain across northern ireland and scotland. that will be moving into northern england and wales. the driest and the brightest weather will be in the south—east of england. further north and west, despite the cloud, and rain 19, 12 t celsius. the rain will move further south and east. it will introduce fresh conditions in the north—west as we go into thursday. but rain likely across south—eastern areas, drier and brighter with showers in the north—west. this is bbc news. these are the top stories developing at 11. rescuers in northern italy continue
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to search for possible survivors after the collapse of a motorway viaduct in genoa. at least 35 people are known to have died. police name the 29—year—old man who was arrested in yesterday's suspected westminster terror attack as salih kater, a british citizen originally from sudan. detectives charge 31 people with offences including rape and trafficking, after an investigation into sexual offences against children in the huddersfield area. figures shows that higher transport costs sent inflation up to 2.5% last month — it's the first increase since november. the cost of some rail fares will go up by 3.2% next year.

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