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hello it's tuesday, it's 9 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. this programme has been told exclusively that three quarters of maternity units in the uk aren't following official guidelines and offering women who are anxious about giving birth the option of a cesearean. iremember my i remember my daughter being placed on my stomach, after giving birth to her, and then suddenly, a red sheet just... just completely soaked the bed, and then i was rushed to theatre. we'll bring you our exclusive film in 15 minutes' time. were you anxious about childbirth? were you offered a c—section? let us know your own experience this morning email victoria@bbc.co.uk or text. as new figures out today show a 24% rise in calls to a helpline about problems with bailiffs, we talk to the mum of a 19 year old who took his own life after being pursued by debt collectors. it was about escalating the charge
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for somebody who could not pay the original fine, none of it makes sense. jerome rodgers' mum, tracey, is here in the studio along with the citizen's advice what shld you do if you cant pay your debts? they're here with advice for you. and, firefighters as muscly sex objects? the head of the london fire brigade criticises itv 2's love island for reinforcing the sterotypes and for putting women off joining the fire service. firemen are sexy, i think they are sexy, a little bit dirty, they have their helmets on, i loved it will stop morning, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we want to hear from you this morning if you wanted a c section
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but didn't get one? or are you pregnant now and fighting to be allowed to give birth the way you want? text now on 61124 or email victoria@bbc.co.uk. if you re emailing and are happy victoria@bbc.co.uk. want to take part in the programme please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you ll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today. the foreign secretary, jeremy hunt, is asking the european union to impose extra sanctions on russia in response to the death of dawn sturgess, who was poisoned with the nerve agent novichok in salisbury. the kremlin has denied any involvement. the foreign secretary is in washington to deliver his first speech since he replaced boris johnson. speaking to the bbc, he said europe needs to match president trump's actions against russia. the european union has actually reacted in a very positive, supportive, constructive way to date, but now we have a situation
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where things have moved on, because america has said that within 90 days, they will implement sanctions. and we have to recognise that is taking things further and as europeans, we have to make sure we are matching that because this happened on european soil. we're not saying we will do exactly the same thing but we have to make sure that oui’ thing but we have to make sure that our reaction is to stand shoulder to shoulder with america, because after all, they are doing this because of something that happened in europe. the foreign secretary, jeremy hunt. the foreign secretary, jeremy hunt. the rest of today's news so far this morning. the group representing hospitals and ambulance services in england say they've had "radio silence" and been left to their own devices to plan for a no—deal brexit. in a letter seen by bbc news, nhs providers warns that drug supplies could run out in the event of a chaotic departure from the eu. nhs england said preparing for every brexit outcome was a priority. iain watson is at westminster, tell
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us more iain watson is at westminster, tell us more about the row. this letter was supposed to be private, sent by nhs providers, a group which represents hospital trusts and anne boleyn services is sent to nhs bosses, chief executive of nhs england and nhs improvement that oversee the work of hospital trusts were sent a letter last friday, and in the letter, it said there has been radio silence, perhaps because of fears that it would lead to the press. certainly has done now! stark warnings: they say there has not been enough active national leadership on the issue of a no—deal brexit, the potential consequences of one, and they are suggesting that not only should there be greater communication but also, a danger that hospital trusts have been left effectively to their own devices, operating in a vacuum, they have got to make it up as they go along. and what that will lead to
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is inconsistencies in dealing with a scenario where there is no deal reached with the eu. we could have in some parts of the country stockpiles of medicines, in other parts, a shortage of medicines. what they are calling for is an urgent meeting of hospital trusts and nhs bosses to work this out. we expect to get more detail about what the government is advising people to do in the event of a no deal "brexit" later this week. any response from the department of health? there has been, they are confident of getting a deal with the, they say, which will benefit the nhs and patients but in the unlikely scenario of a no deal, they are planning for every contingency, nhs bosses have said the same, they are taking the lead but also doing this planning. on thursday, when we see some of the details of the government planning for no deal, that will also include more detail on what will be
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happening inside the nhs. emphasis coming from government is to say they are working very hard to get a deal and "brexit" secretary dominic raabis deal and "brexit" secretary dominic raab is therefore negotiations in brussels this afternoon. a 27—year—old man has been charged with two counts of attempted murder after a woman and her mother were attacked with a hammer in south east london. the women, who are aged 30 and 64, remain critically ill in hospital. joe xuereb from greenwich is due to appear before magistrates in bromley later. three quarters of maternity units across the uk are failing to offer pregnant women caeseareans in line with national guidelines. expectant mothers who are anxious about childbirth should be offered a c—section, but a leading charity has found many trusts around the country are making up their own rules, and in some cases they say women's human rights are being ignored. stay with us for an exclusive report on that after the sport. at least ten people have been killed, and others are missing,
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after flash flooding hit a popular tourist walking spot in south western italy. the victims had been hiking through a gorge in the pollino national park in calabria. eighteen people were rescued and the search for survivors carried on into the night. local officials say the exact number of those unaccounted for is still unclear. cctv footage has been released of the moment an italian motorway bridge collapsed, killing 43 people. two hundred metres of the carriageway, in genoa, suddenly fell last tuesday. the collapse has led to a fierce debate about the country's infrastructure. middle aged men who suffer from the common condition of an enlarged prostate could soon be spared surgery thanks to a new steam treatment. the procedure, which can be done as a day case under local anaesthetic or sedation, involves injecting small amounts of steam into the prostate. the health watchdog nice is expected
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to give the green light for routine treatment on the nhs on wednesday. banks and shops are expected to re open in venezuela today the day after the government implemented a series of emergency measures, including a drastic devaluation of its currency, to try to combat the country's hyper inflation. the venezuelan president nicolas maduro said the measures would create a "balanced, sustained and productive economy". but critics say they will do little to repair the shattered economy, and could make inflation even worse. tougher regulations are needed for bailiffs in england and wales that's according to the charity citizens advice. it says it helps someone with bailiff issues every three minutes and that the total level of debt for household bills like gas, electricity and council tax has reached £19 billion pounds. our correspondent simon gompertz reports. when bailiffs are called in, charges can escalate, and there is the fear that belongings will be taken. with arrears on household bills rising stubbornly, even more people are in danger. in the last five years, household debts including council tax, energy bills and even parking fines have risen by a0%, to an annual £18.9 billion,
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while problems with bailiffs have tripled to 90,000 a year, and that is just complaints to citizens advice. people have told the charity they are scared to open their doors because of aggressive tactics from bailiffs, even having things removed from their homes while they are ill, which is why citizens advice is calling for an independent regulator for bailiffs. household debt is increasing, and referral to bailiffs is as well. in 2017, 2.3 million referrals were made to bailiffs, and at the receiving end of that are families and households who are intimidated and worried and concerned that they're building up even more debt, rather than finding a way out. councils say they are protecting vital services like elderly care when they use bailiffs to retrieve money. even so, the ministry ofjustice is launching a call for evidence on bailiffs, and has promised to take action if necessary. the number of cases of measles
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in europe has hit a record high, according to the world health organization. 41 thousand cases have been reported so far this year, and 37 people have died just one fewer than the number of measles related deaths in the whole of last year. -- 41,000. more than half of cases have been in ukraine but france, italy and greece have also seen a rise. the hit tv show love island has been criticised by the head of the london fire brigade for reinforcing stereotypes of firefighters. during the itv2 show, the boys were required to strip off firefighter outfits and pretend to save a woman from danger. the london fire brigade's commissioner, dany cotton, said that what she called "offensive and outdated" cliches about firefighters discouraged young women from joining the service. that's a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9.30. coming up in a moment, our exclusive investigation that most maternity units across the
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uk are not following national guidelines when it comes to offering women who are anxious about childbirth the chance to have a caesarean section. if this is your experience then we really want to talk to you on the programme today and hear what happened. in many hospitals, nearly two thirds of first—time mothers are having inductions, forceps, and emergency ca esa rea ns. inductions, forceps, and emergency caesarea ns. why inductions, forceps, and emergency caesareans. why so much resistance to planned caesarea ns caesareans. why so much resistance to planned caesareans when there is tolerance for such exceptionally high rates of medical intervention in planned vaginal births. and from genieve, my green notes stated i should be referred to a consultant, yet i was refused, i asked for c—section advice but was again refused and was told simply was having a big baby, it resulted in a 63 hour labour. and a £10 natural
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birth. -- 63 hour labour. and a £10 natural birth. —— ten lbs. because i picked up birth. —— ten lbs. because i picked up an infection during labour, i was refused an epidural, there are long—term medical implications for me and the baby was born not breathing, three years later i am still awaiting corrective surgery. get in touch — we have a facebook page, on twitter use the hashtag victoria live, and you can email too victoria@bbc.co.uk, do put your number on the email if you're happy for us to contact you about coming on the programme and having a chat. plus there's tex 61124 and you'll be charged the standard rate for texting. chris, is jose mourinho really going to get sacked as manchester united manager? only two weeks into the season, but jose mourinho is the favourite to become the first manager sacked this season, and it is what we are talking about, what is happening, he appears grumpy, doesn't he always!
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unable to make any significant signings in the summer, not happy about that, he has been disparaging about that, he has been disparaging about his team, especially after the loss against brighton on sunday, saying they made incredible mistakes. there have also been reports in the newspapers and online that zinedine zidane is being teed up that zinedine zidane is being teed upfor that zinedine zidane is being teed up for thejob that zinedine zidane is being teed up for the job at old trafford, that is what is getting people talking, although according to a source at the club, there is no discussion to be had, why would we discuss zinedine zidane when there is no job. manchester united against totte n ha m job. manchester united against tottenham next, ithinkjose mourinho will be there for that one. ian wright says he may not have long. blood in the water, what manchester united have to get to grips with, they will have deceived people with 20, 30 minutes, quality play, industrious play, they have got to see people off, and then the quality will come through. that is not what manchester united are
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doing. things have got a great chance not only at their own place, but at old trafford as well. there you go, ian wright says he did not have long. something is going on at manchester united. we'll jose mourinho go? possibly, will he be going in the next few days, probably not. i don't think so. a win for liverpool last night, but their star man involved in a little bit of controversy? was it a penalty? it depends who you support. yes, say liverpool. no, say crystal palace. interestingly, the premier league is the only one of europe's top five leagues not to use video assistant referees this season, even if they did, you might think the same decision would have been made. have a look and decide for yourself. liverpool's star man mohammed salah brought down for a penalty for liverpool's first. did he dive? lots of people suggesting that he went down very easily. you can decide for yourself. the penalty was scored by james milner. liverpool played very well,
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especially on the counter attack. palace then had aaron wan—bissaka sent off in the second half before sadio mane secured the win in injury time. 2—0 the final score, and liverpool's first clean sheet at selhurt park in nine visits. two games. two wins. six goals scored. they are looking very good indeed. impossible task for england if they look to avoid defeat in the third test against india. 418 is the highest successful run chase, that was 2003, west indies, england need 521 runs to win, basically they have to bat for two days to save this test match! well— one to win in a two horse race, you get the idea they have it all to do. —— 12—1. jonny bairstow, injury. look at this, this is really nasty. this was yesterday, fielding behind the stumps. took one on the left hand,
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need has broken a finger. at the moment, alastair cook will start with keaton jennings. at the moment, alastair cook will start with keatonjennings. played out last night, 23—0. alastair cook's form has been very poor over the last few weeks and the weather looks decent so that will not help them. england 2—0 up in the five test series, but to tell you the truth, most people have india winning this and that means we will start the fourth test in southampton at the end of august with england 2-1 at the end of august with england 2—1 up in the five test series. thank you. first this morning, when a pregnant woman is anxious about giving birth, she should ultimately be offered a caesarean section, according to national guidelines. yet this programme has learned that three quarters of maternity units in the uk are failing to follow those guidelines and denying women the right to choose.
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one leading charity says that trusts around the country are making up their own rules and in some cases, they say, women's human rights are being ignored. so many of you already talking about your own experiences. keep those coming in and watch this exclusive story. having a baby is for most women one of the happiest times of their lives. but most mothers would probably admit to being anxious about the birth itself. for some, it goes well beyond that.|j about the birth itself. for some, it goes well beyond that. i was so stressed, i could not sleep, i was pacing the house at night at 3am. for some women, the fear of labour because of psychological issues or because of psychological issues or because of psychological issues or because of past physical trauma is so because of past physical trauma is so extreme they feel they cannot deliver naturally. a red sheet, soaked the bird, i was rushed to the
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theatre. -- the bird. nhs guidelines so theatre. -- the bird. nhs guidelines so that women should be given the right to choose how they have the baby, the right to choose a ca esa rea n baby, the right to choose a caesarean section. they talk about fear, anxiety, coming out of appointments with staff who are supposed to care for them in tears feeling they have been shut down. we have been told exclusively three quarters of hospital trusts are not following the guidelines properly. they were pushing their agenda forward , they were pushing their agenda forward, rather than providing patient centred care. this young mum who were calling maya was forced to travel to another city to give birth after the nearest hospital in oxford refuse to give her a caesarean section. at that stage... sorry. it was very stressful, sorry. maya
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wa nted was very stressful, sorry. maya wanted a caesarean section because she has fibroids, a condition where tissue mass builds on the uterus. if it gets too big, there can be a her and baby. what happened when you first saw your consultant to talk about birth options? he basically tried to explain to me that my best option was vaginal birth. highlighted the risks of the c—section. but no other risks of vaginal delivery were discussed. i was worried about having emergency c—section because it carries higher risks to child, as well as mother. i wa nted risks to child, as well as mother. i wanted to avoid the risk or lower the risk as much as possible. in theory, when a woman asks for a
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ca esa rea n theory, when a woman asks for a caesarean section, she should be presented with the facts and further support to help her make an informed decision. if ultimately she decides it is best for her, she should be offered the procedure or referred to an alternative hospital. the reality is lots of hospitals simply not doing this. maya found a hospital that did agree to give her a ca esa rea n that did agree to give her a caesarean section but it was in another county and she had to spend hundreds of pounds to stay in a hotel nearby at the time of her delivery. i felt so much better, i actually cried after the consultation with the neighbouring trust. i cannot believe i never had that conversation with my trust in oxford, i cannot believe i never was able to speak up. i was always just told what is best for me. i felt that i can sort of start enjoying my pregnancy a bit more because at that
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stage, i was so stressed, i could not sleep, i was pacing the house at night, at 3am. six years ago, when lucy gave birth to her first child, she had a serious haemorrhage, leaving her needing surgery and separated from her daughter. she was eventually diagnosed with symptoms of post—traumatic stress disorder. eventually diagnosed with symptoms of post—traumatic stress disorderlj remember my daughter being placed on my tummy after i had given birth to her and suddenly a red sheet, just com pletely her and suddenly a red sheet, just completely soaked the bed and i was rushed to theatre. when she was pregnant again earlier this year, she asked for a caesarean to avoid going through any more physical and emotional trauma. under the guidelines, she was within her rights to do so. lucy was told she could not have the caesarean. in her
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second labour, she had another haemorrhage, her daughter ended up in neonatal intensive care. she was taken to nicu, she was purple, we went separate ways, i suffered another haemorrhage, it was horrific. lucy says the consultant did not listen to her concerns. he did not listen to her concerns. he did not listen to her concerns. he did not look at what if, he was going on the fact of it being my second birth, no reason why it should happen again. he did not look into why we were anxious about it. mental health professionals agree cases like this need to be taken more seriously. for some non-mental health —based colleagues, perhaps there is a perception anxiety or ms
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—— in misunderstanding about how severe it can be, there is a lack of understanding about how unwell they are. the royal cornwall hospital 's trust where lucy gave birth this year told us it practices evidence —based care with respect to ca esa rea n —based care with respect to caesarean sections and in cases where there is no clinical need, it supports the procedure but only after a thorough explanation of the issues. the charity birthrights contacted all maternity units in the uk to find out how they apply national guidelines when responding to req u ests national guidelines when responding to requests that the caesarean. 146 shared their policies. just 26% of trusts seem to fully comply with the guidelines. 47% only applied parts of it. 15% refused maternal request the caesarean is outright and 12% do
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not seem to have a clear position. it isa not seem to have a clear position. it is a postcode lottery. women have a huge amount of confusion over what they will be allowed to access whether a caesarean will be granted and what time frame and it varies from trust to trust and sometimes from trust to trust and sometimes from day to day depending on which midwife or doctor a woman sees. some have said they have had cost quoted at them, you cannot have a caesarean because it costs too much, the trust might be fined, the clinical commissioning groups themselves will not fund the requests, but there doesn't seem to be one reason. campaigners say they get the most complaints about the john radcliffe hospital in oxford but that the problem is widespread. they are worried some trusts are writing to women telling them they will not be offered a caesarean there before the conversation has even been hand. in a statement, the oxford university
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hospitals nhs foundation trust said, some women have real anxieties about labour or have had a previous poor birth experience, we have a perinatal mental health team who seat and assess women and all requests are considered on an individual basis and a plan for the woman's care put in place. our practice in this area supports the nice guidelines. it costs more to have the caesarean section competitor they vaginal delivery —— compared to. how feasible is it? 2011, nice cost estimate put ca esa rea n 2011, nice cost estimate put caesarean birth at £600, more expensive than the vaginal birth, so it does cost more, absolutely. i do not think there was any circumstance under which if you feel a woman has been confirmed and understands her choices and chooses that, that you could deny her the right. lucy is
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still living with the impact of not being given the choice. we have decided we would not have any more children. i physically and emotionally could not go through that again, to go through it twice was pretty bad. i still have anxiety i'iow. was pretty bad. i still have anxiety now. but not as bad as it was with my first—born. now. but not as bad as it was with my first-born. these women say they cannot change what happened to them, but the hope is others will be given the right to choose how they give birth. so many comments from you on this. thank you for getting in touch. let me read them or some of them. traumatic first birth, emergency surgery, traumatic first birth, emergency surgery, lasting complications, i requested a caesarean for my second birth, six years ago, the consultant said no. untili birth, six years ago, the consultant said no. until i said i wanted to be sterilised at the same time, then all objections were dropped. claire
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says on twitter, i wish i had requested a caesarean, my son was 16 days overdue, i was induced for five days, it was like being tortured, then a difficult labour and i ended up then a difficult labour and i ended up with an emergency caesarean anyway, i should have been offered one earlier and nobody told me what was happening in the time of being induced. another on twitter, appalling treatment of women by the nhs. another, on twitter, it is good that so many trusts are not offering ca esa rea ns, that so many trusts are not offering caesareans, as that so many trusts are not offering caesa rea ns, as someone that so many trusts are not offering caesareans, as someone who had an emergency caesarean, it is debilitating with physical and mental health implications and should only be done when absolutely necessary. paul says c—section should only be an emergency intervention. jess on facebook, quite a long message, i want to read it, i had to fight to get my elective c—section nine years ago, i was 42, first time mum, my baby was the result of donor eggs from
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abroad. after many failed ivfs in the uk. i had seen too many friends whose babies and delivery or be butchered by clumsy delivery or suffer issues bonding because of horrific births. i researched meticulously and i spoke to the president of the world college of obstetricians who listened carefully and told me it was likely i was phobic about childbirth probably as a result of being adopted or no history of childbirth type conversations with my mum. he had seen this before in some adopted people and told me it was not uncommon to get only a little way through labour and panic and end up needing an emergency c—section. it then took seven years for me to become pregnant and he had retired. luckily, he put it on my hospital file. even so, i still had to get past two subsequent consultants and get quite animated before finally getting my way. luckily i have a very supportive husband who com pletely very supportive husband who completely agreed with my decision,
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my daughter was born atjust over 39 weeks, perfect. easy recovery, iwas offered the chance to go home after the date and i have had a few snooty comments from other women about choosing a c—section and even a gp said, oh, too posh to push, but i know my decision was right for us. emma has got in touch with us this morning, where are you in the country? in berkshire. thank you for getting in touch. what was your experience? i had my daughter ten yea rs experience? i had my daughter ten years ago, she was an ivf baby, right from the beginning, i wanted a section because i had a fear of giving birth and each time i went to the prenatal clinic, i was told i needed to speak to the consultant, but each time, the consultant was not actually there. eventually, the senior registrar agreed to see me and she told me that because of my reasons for not wanting a vaginal
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birth, i could have a section cos i needed induction because i had gestation of diabetes. by the end of the conversation, she had given me so many reasons why sections one not a good idea, why i should not go for that, i was basically bulldozed into agreeing to the induction. when i did actually go into hospitalfor the induction, after 15 hours of contractions, but nothing happening, idid not contractions, but nothing happening, i did not dilate, my daughter's heart rate went up and i ended up being rushed to theatre in the middle of the night for an emergency section. it obviously was quite dramatic and could have been totally avoided could they have agreed to give me the section in the first place and not made it so difficult. that has been the experience certainly... our reporter was telling me, some of the women she spoke to, they have had to kick up a
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fuss with the consultant to get to the next age when potentially you can be referred to a perinatal mental health professional to have conversations about phobias about childbirth. you say you were worried about it, can you just give me a little bit more detail about that? yes, i used to work as a nurse in theatre and i have been present at many caesarean sections and i have seen how... not easy it is, but it isa seen how... not easy it is, but it is a very controlled environment and it is easier to spot any problems, put them right immediately. my daughter was obviously much wanted, she was ivf, i was incredibly scared about her being born with a cord around her neck or things like that. they did so, yes, i agree with your problems, it is a valid reason. but
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then they did their best to put me off the idea. thank you so much for sharing your variance, we really appreciate it. in cuba coming on the programme. do get in touch with your own experiences. still to come... what's it like when the bailiff knocks at your door? according to citizen's advice today, there's been a 25% rise in calls to them about bailiff problems. let us know what happened. it takes just 90 seconds for anger to pass. a new campaign to reduce casual random violence wants us to pause, take a moment and not react impulsively. the foreign secretary, jeremy hunt, is asking the european union to impose extra sanctions on russia in response to the death of dawn sturgess, who was poisoned
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with the nerve agent novichok in salisbury. jeremy hunt will call on the european union to replicate what he described as washington's comprehensive response to the salisbury nerve agent attack. the group representing hospitals and ambulance services in england say they've had "radio silence" and been left to their own devices to plan for a no—deal brexit. in a letter seen by bbc news, nhs providers warns that drug supplies could run out in the event of a chaotic departure from the eu. nhs england said preparing for every brexit outcome was a priority. a 27—year—old man has been charged with two counts of attempted murder after a woman and her mother were attacked with a hammer in south east london. the women, who are aged 30 and 64, remain critically ill in hospital. joe xuereb from greenwich is due to appear before magistrates in bromley later. three quarters of maternity units across the uk are failing to offer pregnant women caeseareans in line with national guidelines.
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expectant mothers who are anxious about childbirth should be offered a c—section, but a leading charity has found many trusts around the country are making up their own rules, and in some cases they say women's human rights are being ignored. stay with us for an exclusive report on that after the sport. at least ten people have been killed, and others are missing, after flash flooding hit a popular tourist walking spot in south western italy. the victims had been hiking through a gorge in the pollino national park in calabria. eighteen people were rescued and the search for survivors carried on into the night. local officials say the exact number of those unaccounted for is still unclear. a 45—year—old woman has been killed in an alligator attack on hilton head island in south carolina. cassandra cline died after being pulled from the water of a resort lagoon by police on monday morning. she was attacked after trying to protect her dog from the eight—foot alligator. the dog was unharmed. let me read you this e—mail, from
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laura, again about caesarean section, as i left the hospital post c—section with my first child, in pain, traumatised by a difficult labour and the fact my baby had required ventilation of on arrival, i was handed a leaflet offering that the hospital does not offer a elected repeat c—sections. when i saw the consultant or the second, i was immediately booked for one, but due to the fear of attempting to labour and deliver vaginally a second time, we almost did not find to have a second child. so many stories to share with you, which i will do over the course of the programme. now, time forthe will do over the course of the programme. now, time for the sport. a source at old trafford has said that there is no discussion to be had about zinedine zidane replacing jose mourinho at old trafford, jose
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mourinho is the bookies favourite to become the first manager sacked this season in the premier league. crystal palace were furious but the referee gave the penalty that kick—started liverpool's victory over crystal palace last night, 2—0 it finished, that incident, the one we are all talking about. liverpool, two goals, two wins, six goals scored. india finally getting used to the swinging ball, the green wickets and the damp conditions, a sentry from virat kohli means england need to bat for two days to save the third test at trent bridge, they start the day 23 without loss. jonny bairstow, com plete day 23 without loss. jonny bairstow, complete with broken finger, is hopeful that he will bat. and a great start at the european para athletics, two gold medals on day 1, hollie arnold throwing herself to gold, in the javelin, this latest triumph means, victoria, she holds all the major championship
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gold medals, world, european, commonwealth, and paralympic. no wonder she is happy. that is all the sport for now. we have £19 billion worth of household debt in this country and when we cannot pay it back it can fall to bailiffs to try to reclaim the money. that is according to new research out today from the citizens advice bureau, they have seen a 24% increase in calls to their helpline since 2014 about problems with bailiffs, since government reforms we re bailiffs, since government reforms were supposed to protect people from unfair practices. last month, a committee of mps said that local councils were the worst in class when it came to debt collection, pursuing things like unpaid council tax and parking fines. the ministry ofjustice has since announced it is launching an enquiry into the practices of aggressive bailiffs later this year. in a moment we will
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speak with tracey rogers, her son, jarrah, took his own life in 2015 after being pursued by debt collectors. his story was dramatised by bbc three, and this short extract shows just how quickly fines and bailiffs fees can add up. jerome valcke forjerome! —— jarreau you are passing it on to the bailiff, any bills you have not paid, they add on their fees. it is just escalating the charge. for somebody who could not pay the original fine. it does not make sense. it's so easy to be in that place.
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it's so easy to be in that place. it's quite easy to talk yourself into, you have no one to ask, no one to help you. such a thing that is in your head, without talking about it. you make it worse in your head. on the bbc iplayer now, killed by my
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debt. jerome's mum tracey is here, as is matthew upton from citizen s jerome's mum tracey is here, as is matthew upton from citizen 5 advice, the charity behind today's research suggesting calls to their helpline about bailiffs have gone up by 24% since the gov introduced reforms to protect people from unfair bailiff practises. thank you both for joining us. tell us what he was like before the debt? normal 19-year-old, got his firstjob, he was excited, he would go out with his friends at the weekend, just to their house. normal 19—year—old, always knew where he was going, what he was up to. quite homely, he was into his books, he read a lot. he was a good boy. how did things change? you were not aware of it. we were not aware of it until the first visit by the bailiff, we came to an arrangement
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to pay £125 a week, jerome was on a zero—hours contract, so his work was unreliable. he really needed more time to pay that off. and then obviously between that time and the second time was only four weeks, then he had another visit from the bailiff, in between that time, he had weekly text messages from the bailiff, to prompt him into making payments. how do you feel he was treated? i think he felt bullied, andl treated? i think he felt bullied, and i think he felt intimidated. he was a quiet boy, he was not aggressive, he was not rude. he would try to do his best. he looked for payday loans to try to pay it and actually did ring up, asking if he could make a payment plan, he was told he could not, he would have to wait for a bailiff to turn up. his story is representative in that it
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explains clearly how very quickly a relatively small fine can reach £1000. which is overwhelming, for anything. i don't know where exactly the charges all come from, a lot of it is admin, we found out that the company had gone to other various houses, as well as ours, and put it down they had come to our house. so they had racked up on their system that they had been more times than they had, and so obviously, things need to be a lot clearer. what do you want to see change? we want to
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see an independent body to be involved. it is notjust young people, old people, they cannot afford to pay their council tax. they get into rent arrears. we don't wa nt they get into rent arrears. we don't want the same thing to happen to someone else. matthew, there are guidelines in place for bailiffs when they are dealing with honourable people, and vulnerable can meet somebody under 18, over 65, with mental health issues, single—parent, mental health issues, that license can be revoked at any time, they are licensed and it can be revoked. interesting, as you have seen, we have seen about a quarter in terms of an increase of people coming to see us with bailiff problem and that shows just how right tracey is, what you need is an independent regulator, if you don't have anyone to police the rules, you can bring in all the regulation you want, you can try to improve things but there is no oversight, no incentive for paul bailiff firms to abide by the rules, good bailiffs get dropped under the bus, they all get dropped under the bus, they all get lumped in together. the only real... there is an incentive, if you don't behave properly, your license will be revoked. there is no
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one to oversee that, people do not know their rights, if you have an aggressive bailiffs demanding all kinds of things, telling you by and y. kinds of things, telling you by and y, the normal person does not know what they can and cannot do. when there is not a body, but to also e nforce, there is not a body, but to also enforce, all these bad practices will carry on. why do you think the number of calls to helpline has gone up number of calls to helpline has gone up since the government reforms? most of the people who tend to get into debt, it can often be as a result of a big change in their lives, their working circumstances, their health condition, whatever else it might be. clearly no getting away from the fact that the last few years have been incredibly challenging, inflation has gone up, stag na nt challenging, inflation has gone up, stagnant wages, increasingly insecure employment, changes to benefits and so on and so full. what we want to see, given the number of people that are receiving those visits from bailiffs, problems
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increasing so much, we think it is really time for governments to step up really time for governments to step up and take the issue seriously. does this mean reforms have failed? to an extent, they have. if you do not have someone to oversee the reforms, they will not have any plight. hammersmith and fulham have stopped sending in bailiffs for the recovery of council tax and they say they aim to com plete tax and they say they aim to complete abolish the use of bailiffs in the near future, complete abolish the use of bailiffs in the nearfuture, is complete abolish the use of bailiffs in the near future, is that way forward ? in the near future, is that way forward? fantastic. the really important thing is hammersmith and fulham are not doing this because they have decided they want to be nice, it is the personal impact of harm on individuals we see everyday. but hammersmith and fulham need to get the money in the door in the same other councils do and they have made a commercial decision that there are better ways to collect
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debt, exactly as tracey said, jerome started off with small debts and it worked up and it makes it harder for the organisation to recoup the money they are owed. we think they have made a good move for the benefit of the residents and their own bottom line. if someone is watching, in—depth, knock on the dork from a bailiff, they have not told anyone because they are embarrassed, ashamed, what is the advice? -- in debt. do not suffer in silence. there is a perception of shame around debt and there should not be. speak to friends and family, organisations like citizens advice, we are here to help. i second that. talk to someone. even if you talk to a friend and they will maybe help you get that help, talk about it, do not bottle it up inside. thank you very much for coming on the programme. thank you. if you have been affected and you want to find
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some support or guidance, go to the bbc‘s action line. also still to come, we will speak to victims of violence as a new campaign urges us to ta ke violence as a new campaign urges us to take 90 seconds to pause and not react impulsively. we have the latest figures now on government borrowing and national debt, just out, our economics correspondent is here. fill us in. betterthan expected, victoria. everyone was expecting a surplus injuly, if you have more money coming in, and you are spending, you have a surplus. more money spending than coming in, you have a deficit. july is always surplus because you have received from self—employed people, they pay tax in january and july. from self—employed people, they pay tax injanuary and july. in those months, you have a surplus for the chancellor. but it is better than
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expected, 2 billion surplus rather than1 billion. expected, 2 billion surplus rather than 1 billion. this expected, 2 billion surplus rather than1 billion. this is day—to—day spending. as opposed to total debt which is massive. let me explain the difference. if i have an income of 1000 and my expenditure is 1100, i have a deficit of 100. an overdraft, effectively. but if i do it every month, i built up a debt. some good news on the debt, it is growing but not as fast as the economy. as a proportion of the economy, it is shrinking. that has been the government's goal. still over a trillion, the debt? yeah. just listening to your earlier discussion, the government would have had a bailiff knocking on its door a long time ago if it happened to governments, but it doesn't. the economy is worth roughly 2.1 trillion. 1 million million is a trillion. 1 million million is a trillion. our economy is worth 2-for-1,000,000,000,000 and the debt
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is about 85% of that —— 2.1 trillion. in the government's case, as opposed to the hassle, they can live with it because it is still really cheap to raise money. —— as opposed to the household. as the deficit comes down, the amount they have to borrow, that is also shrinking, so we are doing ok. it raises questions over whether the policy of austerity has to be carried on. the chancellor philip hammond still has a goal to reduce the debt and the deficit as a proportion of the economy quite severely. given the public finances are improving and people like teachers are getting pay rises of 3.5%, people receiving benefits might ask the question, where —— why are they bearing the brunt of austerity? benefit freezes, they will not go up at all with inflation. it sounds like not that big a deal is low, but if it is
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between 2% and 3%, it cuts into your income, and if you receive benefits, you do not have many spare pennies. thank you very much. violent crime figures have made depressing reading lately, with much focus on knife crime linked to gang activity in big cities — but what about more casual forms of violence, in which trivial disputes escalate into violent confrontations? what makes people so angry they attack someone, and is there anything we can do to curb this kind of behavior? according to one campagin launched today, scientific evidence shows that it takes just 90 seconds for our anger to pass. have a look at this. you probably think i am angry right now, yes? in fact, you probably think i am angry right now, yes? infact, iam in you probably think i am angry right now, yes? in fact, iam in complete control. what you are seeing is just how i am feeling inside. the truth
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is, you can experience anger without letting it take over. besides, what is the anger anyway? nothing but a chemical reaction in your body set off by the world around you, like a stranger being rude or a friend posting something hurtful, and you are off, posting something hurtful, and you a re off, system posting something hurtful, and you are off, system flooded with adrenaline. everything heightened. a person can do a lot of harm in that state, but not if you just wait a little, because the moment you get angry, your body also begins the process of trying to calm down. flushing out the toxins that cause angen flushing out the toxins that cause anger. this whole process takes just 90 seconds. so if you can wait it out, take yourself away from the situation, or simply think about something else, anger cannot take hold. just 90 seconds can make all the difference. exactly the time it
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has taken to watch this. let's talk to tor garnett, a detective inspector with the metropolitan police, and sascha eady who is now a trainee detective and has spent the last two years in uniform in london. from birmingham, we can speak again to will flint, who intervened in a violent incident and ended up with 12 knife wounds to his chest, stomach and shoulder. thank you for coming on the programme, sascha, two years on the beat, you regularly have to use de—escalation techniques, what does that mean? as police officers, it is our responsibility to go into situations and not let things escalate. what is great about the
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ta ke escalate. what is great about the take 90 skiing, what we are launching today, is that you recognise that anger is a stepping stone to aggression and violence —— ta ke stone to aggression and violence —— take 90 scheme. i went to a dispute over a parking spot. one neighbour had a brick in his hand, the other had a brick in his hand, the other had a brick in his hand, the other had a golf club. and that was a parking dispute? over a parking space. yeah. should police have attended that? probably not. if they had taken 90 seconds to let that anger dissipate, we would not have had to be calls. what is your own experience? i think that the point of police now launching the take 90 campaign with 90 different organisation supporting us, the situation when anger moves into aggression in everyday situations, it is negative everybody and the science says it just it is negative everybody and the science says itjust takes it is negative everybody and the science says it just takes 90 seconds to let the anger pass. in the first bit, you are chemically
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hijacked, your brain, so you much more likely to turn that anger into aggression. if you can wait, you might still feel angry afterwards in terms of something was not right, i am upset, but you are able to deal with it in a rational way. parking space, great example. i broke up a fight the other day on the street over an fight the other day on the street overan ice fight the other day on the street over an ice cream in the heat wave. shopkeeper,?, it over an ice cream in the heat wave. shopkeeper, ?, it is over an ice cream in the heat wave. shopkeeper,?, it is entirely unnecessary. some violence has really complex causes —— shopkeeper, customer. we are talking about everyday aggression we are all guilty of, shoving someone on the train, sending a passive aggressive e—mailtoa train, sending a passive aggressive e—mail to a colleague, as the world speeds up, we are much more able to respond in the first 90 seconds in a way that when we communicated by letter, you would not be able to find that envelope and the stump in the time. did you calm down the shopkeeper and the customer over the ice cream and the neighbours over the parking space? ice cream and the neighbours over the parking space ?|j ice cream and the neighbours over the parking space? i did. but it would have been easier if they had
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understood and known about the take 90, when you are in the moment, you think you are never going to feel different unless you take action and seek revenge, defend yourself, when in fact if you can hold on for 90 seconds, it will pass. and not waste your time. not waste police time, but it is ourjob, to be there, wasting everybody‘s time, we are all experiencing moments of experiencing this aggression, behaving like it ourselves, and negative snowball. did you calm down the neighbours?- soon as they saw us arrive in uniform, they had that moment and they were, like, what are we doing? how has this escalated into the police walking onto the drive? you could argue it is having the self—realisation. could argue it is having the self-realisation. let me bring in will, the incident you were involved m, will, the incident you were involved in, you have talked to us about it on the programme before, thank you
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for coming on again, you ended up, asi for coming on again, you ended up, as i said, 12 knife wounds after intervening in a particular incident. your reaction to the campaignfirst of incident. your reaction to the campaign first of all? incident. your reaction to the campaign first of all7|j incident. your reaction to the campaign first of all? i think this campaign first of all? i think this campaign initiative is necessary, however, i would question how effective it is going to be. situations like mine escalated very quickly, the guy that attacked me with a knife was inebriated, very angry, pent up and aggressive. i think with the adrenaline rushing through his body, trying to ask him to stop the 90 seconds and take a minute and a whole, it is like asking a bull who has seen red to stop in its tracks. i think in that respect, it is quite futile. whereas if you look at it from the more trivial arguments and not wasting police time and trying to alleviate the situation and resolve that among ourselves, perfectly reasonable. but in terms of solving violent crimes on the street, a huge issue at the
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moment, pandemic and rising, knife crimes, shootings, all the moment, pandemic and rising, knife crimes, shootings, allthe time, this in my opinion is not going to work. how do you respond to that? i ee, work. how do you respond to that? i agree, it is not about serious violence or premeditated knife crime, it is about everyday aggression and we know that when the phrase designated driver became a thing and people started to talk about who would be the designated driver before they went on a night out, we saw the reduction in drink—driving. we want everyone to think about it, talk about it, follow us on twitter and instagram, look at the video, the methods we have suggested people could use, but mainly it is very personal what helps you to take 90 in the moment. talk about it, work it out, and if you have a plan, you are much more likely to be able to deploy it in the moment. there may be somebody watching you right now who has lost
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somebody in their family to knife crime in recent months, years, they might well be saying to you on the television, concentrate on the serious stuff, this is a distraction. the loss of life and the situation around serious violence, police forces up and down the country and including the met police, they are putting everything they can behind that and nobody in any way does not realise how important it is, this is talking about things that are not a risk to life but threats to quality of life and that is important as well, that we role model and learn to manage our anger we role model and learn to manage ouranger ina we role model and learn to manage our anger in a positive way. thank you, all of you. we appreciate your time. coming up after ten, more on the exclusive story that three quarters of maternity units are ignoring guidance to offer women anxious about childbirth and
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c—section. so many comments. i do not think women should necessarily get the choice, i was terrified and i wanted a caesarean but my midwife and consultants did what they could to stop me and i am thankful they did,i to stop me and i am thankful they did, iwas to stop me and i am thankful they did, i was up and walking within an hour and it would not be the case if i had hour and it would not be the case if ihada hour and it would not be the case if i had a caesarean and my mind has been put at ease for the next time i have a baby. this text again who does not leave a name, one of the worst times of my life, i wanted a c—section birth, i was not allowed, the baby was stuck and the wrong way round, forceps were used, my child was not breathing and i never had other kids. rachel says, my first daughter was born in 2009, to cut a long story short, easter sunday, no consultant, the registrar delayed giving mea consultant, the registrar delayed giving me a c section until it was too late. our daughter died in hospital 19 days later. it was clear to me asa hospital 19 days later. it was clear to me as a first time on my daughter was in distress and her heart rate
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was in distress and her heart rate was constantly dipping to 40. because c—sections seem to be bad for hospital targets, she was delayed. once the decision was made, finally, she went off duty, someone is performed the surgery, my daughter needed resuscitation and we heard no crying. after this trauma, we paid further private midwife who pushed for us to have their c—section at a different hospital and our second daughter is a beautifully healthy seven—year—old. iam very beautifully healthy seven—year—old. i am very sorry to hear that, rachel, i appreciate you sharing a really traumatic experience. now the weather. another day where it will be really quite humid, warm in the sunshine but a lot of cloud around, not for everyone , but a lot of cloud around, not for everyone, but misty, murky conditions around, this is cumbria just a short while ago, equally, warm spells of sunshine, and across parts
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of hertfordshire. this is how the day will wear on, mist, drizzle will lift. most of us having a warm, humid today. sunshine as well. outbreaks of rain to parts of sunshine and northern ireland late in the day, ahead of it, moist, humid air mass. warm spells of sunshine and mist and drizzle should disappear. the odd shower, many having a largely dry day, and through the afternoon, more clouds developing. the wind will strengthen as well, and that is ahead of the band of rain which will arrive through the evening and push southeast overnight, ahead of this, warm afternoon, best of the sunshine up warm afternoon, best of the sunshine up to 24 and 26. widely, 18 to 22. slightly cooler for the final. overnight, the rain sinks south and east, ahead of it, mainly dry, cloud
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around, clear spells developing across east anglia and south—east england. warm, muggy night, temperatures dropping to between 12 and 16 celsius. here's the front tomorrow morning, still bringing outbreaks of rain across northern ireland and into scotland, continuing on itsjourney south ireland and into scotland, continuing on its journey south and east. with the day, outbreaks in northern england, in two parts of wales and midlands. behind that, sunny spells, ahead of it, a fair amount of cloud, but it will break to bring warm spells of sunshine. you can notice the difference on either side. across the south—east, warmth and humidity, behind it, something much fresher. temperatures only 18, 19 celsius compared to 25 or 26 further south and east. fresher air across the north—west of the uk will push south and east, by the uk will push south and east, by the end of thursday afternoon, we are all in that much fresher air full of four east anglia, south—east
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england, parts of the midlands, is that clears, sunny spells, plenty of sunshine arriving into northern ireland and northern and western scotland. all in the much cooler air by thursday, temperatures 13 or 15 celsius for scotland and 18 to 21 further south. hello, it's tuesday, it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire... denied a cesearean despite being crippled with anxiety following a traumatic birth, we reveal that three quarters of maternity units in the uk aren't following official guidelines on allowing women to choose how they have their baby. he didn't look at the what ifs, he was just going on the fact of, this is your second birth, there is no reason why it should happen again. but actually he didn't look into why we were anxious about it. we'll talk to women who say they've been let down and we will hear more of your stories from around the country too. firefighters as muscly sex objects?
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the head of the london fire brigade criticises itv 2's love island for reinforcing sterotypes. a fireman is sexy! i think they are the sexiest trade. standing there, little bit dirty, got their helmets on. i loved it. we'll speak to london fire brigade about whether cliches like that are putting women off becoming firefighters. it's the first major hollywood film to feature an all—asian cast in 25 years. crazy rich asians is already a box office hit in america, so how significant is it? good morning, it's 10 o'clock. here's joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the days news. the foreign secretary jeremy hunt is asking the european union to impose extra sanctions on russia in response to the death of dawn sturgess, who was poisoned with the nerve agent, novichok. the kremlin has denied any involvement. the foreign secretary told the bbc europe needs to match
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the actions taken by the us government against russia. america said that within 90 days it will commence in. that is taking things further. as europeans we have to make sure we are matching that, this happened on european soil. we are not saying we will do exactly the same thing but we have to make sure that our reaction is to stand shoulder to shoulder with america. the group representing hospitals and ambulance services in england say they've had "radio silence" and been left to their own devices to plan for a no—deal brexit. in a letter seen by bbc news, nhs providers warns that drug supplies could run out in the event of a chaotic departure from the eu. nhs england said preparing for every brexit outcome was a priority. better than expected figures on government borrowing have been released in the last few minutes. the treasury reported a £2 billion surplus forjuly,
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one billiond pounds higher than for the same period last year. our economics correspondent andy verity explained to victoria what the figures represented: everyone was expecting a surplus in july, what i mean by that, if you have more money coming in than you are spending, you have a surplus, if you have more money spending them coming in, you have a deficit. july is always a deficit, you have receipts from self—employed people, paying taxes in january and july. those are the two months where you have a surplus. but it is better than expected. a 27—year—old man has been charged with two counts of attempted murder after a woman and her mother were attacked with a hammer in south—east london. the women, who are aged 30 and 64, remain critically ill in hospital. joe xuereb from greenwich is due to appear before magistrates in bromley later. at least ten people have been killed and others are missing after flash flooding hit a popular tourist walking spot in south—western italy.
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the victims had been hiking through a gorge in the pollino national park in calabria. eighteen people were rescued and the search for survivors carried on into the night. local officials say the exact number of those unaccounted for is still unclear. a 45—year—old woman has been killed in an alligator attack on hilton head island in south carolina. cassandra cline died after being pulled from the water of a resort lagoon on monday. she was attacked after trying to protect her dog from the eight—foot alligator. the dog was unharmed. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 10.30. thank you for all your comments on ca esa rea n thank you for all your comments on caesarean section. i was in labour for bertie six hours, my daughter ‘s heart rate dropped a few times, i had several complications, i almost had several complications, i almost had to go for a emergency see section which upset me, i felt my body had failed me, i think there are subconscious pressures on women to deliver in a drug—free way when really all that matters is that your babyis really all that matters is that your baby is born safely, thankfully my
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daughter did arrive they flee. thank you. we will talk more about the issue of most maternity units not offering women caesarean sections, even though they should be doing, after a particular process. wright, sport, chris is back. a source at old trafford has told the bbc there is no discussion to be had about zinedine zidane replacing jose mourinho at manchester united, there have been reports that zinedine zidane was being teed up for the job there but a source has told the bbc, why would we discuss zinedine zidane when there is nojob. jose mourinho is the favourite to become the first manager sacked in the premier league this season. ian wright says he may not have long left. there is blood in the water with manchester united at the moment, people know it and they know they will make it difficult. manchester united have to get to grips with knowing there will have to see people for the first 20, 30 minutes, with quality and
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industrious play, high—intensity, and then the quality can come through. that is not what manchester united are doing at the moment and teams know they have got a great chance, not just at their place teams know they have got a great chance, notjust at their place but at old trafford as well. there was a good win for liverpool at crystal palace in the premier league but it wasn't without controversy. their star man mohammed salah was brought down for a penalty for liverpool's first. did he dive? roy hogson was furious with the decision. the penalty was scored by james milner. palace then had aaron wan—bissarka sent off in the second half before sadio mane secured the win in injury time. 2—0, the final score, and liverpool's first clean sheet at selhurt park in nine visits. england have it all to do at trent bridge if they're to avoid a big defeat to india in the third test. they'll have to bat for two days to save the match or score 521 runs to win! jonny bairstow is "hopeful" of batting in england's second innings, despite suffering a broken finger. alastair cook and keating jennings will return to the crease this morning,
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both with a lot to prove. the weather looks fair so that won't help england either. it all starts in an hour's time. the rugby players association has called on the rfu to drop its case against danny cipriani, the hearing is scheduled to take place this week after the gloucester fly half pleaded guilty to assault and resisting arrest following an incident outside a nightclub in jersey. the players union say they believe it was appropriate for the matter to be dealt with through the clu b matter to be dealt with through the club through its own disciplinary besiegers. meanwhile sale's chris ashton will face an rfu disciplinary panel this afternoon. it's after he was cited for a tip tackle in a pre—season friendly. if found guilty he could miss the opening six matches of the new premiership season. hollie arnold and harrijenkins won gold as great britain claimed seven medals on the opening day of the para—athletics europeans
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championships in berlin. reigning world and paralympic champion arnold set a new championship record to win the javelin final. it's her maiden european title after the event was withdrawn from the last european championships. that's all the sport for now. as you can see, very pleased to be back and coming back as a winner. our exclusive story today is that three quarters of maternity units in the uk are failing to follow guidelines which allow women to choose to have a caesarean section. we ve spoken to mums who've request a c—section, even if they're overwhelmed by anxiety about the birth. a leading charity has found that trusts around the country are making their own rules, it says in some cases women's human rights are being ignored. we'll talk about this more in a moment with women who this happened to but first a short extract from our reporterjamilla
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malik‘s exclusive film. having a baby is, for most women, one of the happiest times of them lives. but most mothers would probably admit to being anxious about the birth itself. for some, it goes well beyond that. six years ago, when lucy gave birth to herfirst child, she had a serious haemorrhage, leaving her needing surgery and separated from her daughter. she was eventually diagnosed with symptoms of post—traumatic stress syndrome. i do remember my daughter being placed on my tummy after i'd given birth to her and then suddenly, a red sheetjust completely soaked the bed and i was rushed to theatre. when lucy was pregnant again earlier this year, she asked for a caesarean to avoid going through any more physical and emotional trauma. under the guidelines, she was within her rights to do so. lucy was told she couldn't
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have the caesarean. during her second labour, she had another haemorrhage. her daughter ended up in neonatal intensive care. unfortunately she was taken to nicu. she had to have rescue breaths when she came out and my other half saw her come out purple. she got taken one way and i got taken to theatre because i suffered from another haemorrhage and it was horrific. lucy says the consultant didn't listen to her concerns. he doesn't look at the what ifs, he was just going on the fact of, this is your second birth, there is no reason why it should happen again, but actually he didn't look into why we were anxious about it. it is really a postcode lottery. women have a huge amount of confusion over what they will be allowed to access, whether a caesarean will be granted and what kind of time frame. it costs more to have a caesarean than to have a vaginal delivery. so just how feasible is it to offer the procedure when it's been asked for? a 2011 cost estimate puts caesarean birth at about £600 more expensive than a vaginal birth,
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so absolutely a caesarean birth costs more. i don't think they are any circumstances under which, if you feel that a woman has been informed, understands her choices, and chooses, that you can deny her the right to that. lucy is still living with the impact of not being given that choice. we've decided we're not going to have any more children. i physically and emotionally cannot go through that again. women like lucy say they can't change what happened to them, but the hope is that other women will be given the right to choose how they give birth. let's speak now to rebecca schiller — the ceo of birthrights,
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which carried out this research. anna cook is from mumsnet — she had difficulty getting her own caesarean 18 months ago. balvida sagoo is an consultant obstetrician at wrexham park hospital and is an advisor for the medical helpline dr mortons. and robyn fuller's in cambridge. she had to fight to have a caesarean for her second child, despite having complications with her first birth, and she's also a student midwife. joshuais joshua is with her as well. i'm going to start with you, robyn, your reaction to the figures that so many maternity units are not following the national guidelines when it comes to offering c—sections.m the national guidelines when it comes to offering c-sections. it is shocking. i decided to start training asa shocking. i decided to start training as a midwife purely to ensure the women i look after have their voices heard, whatever their requests, to ensure their voices heard. too many women today are not.
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when you had your first son, you heard. too many women today are not. when you had yourfirst son, you had a forceps delivery, what happened?” was induced post date, in labour first 36 hours, it was awful. there was a discussion in the room about possibly taking me to take further c—section which i was happy to have. —— 48 c—section. on my birth plan, i wrote, i do not want forceps. the does doctor —— the doctor decided to does doctor —— the doctor decided to do forceps and not take me to theatre. it was horrific, absolutely horrific. it ended in a postpartum haemorrhage. the cord snapped, i had so many people in the room when he was born, it was horrible. following 24 hours afterwards, i do not think i looked at my newborn baby properly which is not right. it sounds awful,
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what kind of impact would you say the experience had on you when it came to your second pregnancy? fear. for a long time after i had my first baby, if anyone said to me, are you going to have more? i would've never. since my training, i have seen women have the most beautiful birds, no complications, women are incredible, amazing. i am birds, no complications, women are incredible, amazing. iam not one birds, no complications, women are incredible, amazing. i am not one of those women. when i fell pregnant with joshua, i had those women. when i fell pregnant withjoshua, i had complications pretty much from six weeks, acute no—show from the beginning, issues with my pelvis from 20 weeks —— acute sickness. i was told he was a big baby and he was when he was born. at 36 weeks, i was diagnosed with agnes induced hypertension which i do believe as a result of the stress of possibly not having
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the stress of possibly not having the c—section i desperately wanted and was asking for from my first appointment —— with pregnancy induced hypertension. you asked for a c—section and what was the response? i did. that appointment, i came face—to—face with the doctor who did the forceps delivery in the first place which was awkward, she implied maybe i had post—traumatic stress disorder and maybe i needed to see someone from mental health. i do not think it is a mental health problem to ask for a caesarean section and that is what she made me feel. it made me anxious. i was told would go through meeting and i was told they decided they would not approve for me to have the c—section. approve for me to have the c-section. that doctor might have been following the guidelines which is if someone requests a c—section because they are worried, anxious, there is supposed to be, my understanding anyway, a referral to
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perinatal mental health professionals. a referral was done andi professionals. a referral was done and i was never professionals. a referral was done and i was never seen professionals. a referral was done and i was never seen by mental health. at about 32 weeks, i was told by the consultant she would get me involved with something called rewind therapy, that never happened either, it was text box things she wa nted either, it was text box things she wanted doing and none of them were done. you did get a c-section in the end, would you say it is because you picked up a fuss? there was agreed at 32 weeks she was happy for me to have the c—section but she wanted me to try and go into labour on my own naturally. she was happy for me to have an induction week overdue. a couple of weeks later, i had another chris patten gully scan, —— i had another great scone. i'm sorry. do not apologise, we often have babies on the programme.
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at 36 weeks, because he was measuring big, she agreed to bring the c—section forward to my due date, which was good, but i was still very stressed out the possibility of going into labour naturally because she said if i went into labour naturally, they would leave me to try to deliver him. gosh. at 36 and two days pregnant, i was admitted to the antenatal ward with hypertension and i stayed in the 24 hours, but i was in and out of hospital having monitoring after that because my blood pressure was going up, i must trust, awful, and when i went in, i asked if i could have the c—section brought forward andi have the c—section brought forward and i was given no end of excuses as to why they would not do that.” will bring rebecca from birthrights and anna and balvida, consultant obstetrician. that kind of story is horrific, isn't it? it is. sadly,
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not the first time i have heard a story like robyn's and it is never 0k story like robyn's and it is never ok but it is a story about a breakdown in trust in her first birth and then having to fight and jumped down bleep through hoops continually in pregnancy and not being listened to —— and jump through hoops. tell our audience exactly what the guidelines say so eve ryo ne exactly what the guidelines say so everyone is clear when expecting a baby what they are able to ask for. in 2011, the national institute for clinical excellence updated the guidelines on caesarean sections and made a specific section about maternal requests and it makes it clear that if a woman requests a caesarean for reasons that might not be considered medical reasons, she should be listening to. the first thing that should happen is listening and hearing her. she should be offered information about the risks and benefits of the different ways of giving birth,
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vaginal against caesarean section. if she still wants the caesarean section, she should be offered a referral to the perinatal mental health team, the word is offered, not mandatory. if she still wants the caesarean, she should be supported to have one. a particular doctor can decline to perform the caesarean. they must pass you on. 0k, caesarean. they must pass you on. ok, asa caesarean. they must pass you on. ok, as a consultant obstetrician, how do you respond to this research today? with the research today, we do follow the nice guidelines. we being who? consultant obstetricians across the country. trusts do say they follow the guidelines, but on they follow the guidelines, but on the ground, the film shows the response from birthrights and anecdotal stories that they are saying it is not happening, they cannot get past the consultant. we need to look into this. as part of where i work at the moment, we are
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setting up a new clinic where women who have had previous traumatic deliveries, caesarean sections, who wa nt deliveries, caesarean sections, who want to have caesarean sections, they come in and we try to put in they come in and we try to put in the right process. but women should be able to do that wherever they are in the country, those are the guidelines. trusts are trying to put this in place, as per the guidelines, but what happens is people go on holiday, so if you're consultant is not there during your appointments, we just need to work harder, trying to make sure the right consultants are available...” have not had one response today from someone who said, i wanted c—section but i could not have won because the co nsulta nt but i could not have won because the consultant was on holiday. that is not one of the reasons given. what about your experience 7 not one of the reasons given. what about your experience? i had a very difficult first birth, my waters broke on a saturday, induced on sunday, born by emergency section on tuesday. when i became pregnant second time, i had to think about my
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options, i do not think i would have become pregnant if a caesarean was not an option. i did research, i was not an option. i did research, i was not working at mumsnet but i went on mumsnet, the nhs website, iwas fully informed. i spoke to consultant, fully supported, amazing, but i got to 34 weeks, i was called in, i thought because i was called in, i thought because i was being given a day for my operation, but i was not prepared for a confrontation. i got a doctor telling me they do not give them for maternal request, i felt the caesarean was being taken away, i broke down in tears, i lost my reason, i started to cry, if my husband had not been there to relive some of the traumatic details of the first birth, i am some of the traumatic details of the first birth, lam not some of the traumatic details of the first birth, i am not sure some of the traumatic details of the first birth, lam not sure i some of the traumatic details of the first birth, i am not sure i would have got it. the consultant continue to talk to me saying they did not give it for maternal requests. for an hour, we went through different things. what does maternal requests mean? just because i was asking for
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one. but it was notjust bad, i had a previous caesarean, i had difficulties. —— it was notjust that. after an hour, she came back with a piece of paper saying, you can have one. she wrote down, reason the caesarean, previous caesarean and maternal request. i kept thinking it was going to be taking away from me. this is minor compared to what we have heard on videos and on mumsnet time and time again. one user this week has had three £10 babies, pregnant with her fault, she has to see two consultants and specialists with —— pregnant with her fourth, she has specialists with —— pregnant with herfourth, she has had specialists with —— pregnant with her fourth, she has had 310 pound babies. —— three ten pound babies.”
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had a prolapse, i needed surgical repair, the gynaecologist isil who was lovely to do with that said that ifi was lovely to do with that said that if i ever had another pregnancy, i would need a caesarean which i was fine with —— the gynaecologist who was lovely. when i fell pregnant with my second child, i was confident i would have a c—section, i would not have to go through the surgery again, the repair surgery that is. and then i saw him as well in my pregnancy and he put it in my notes the reason why i was having a caesarean and it was booked the 38 weeks. unfortunately, then i went into a labour the day before the date of the caesarean and i had been told, if you go into labour, come straight in, we will get you into theatre and the c—section. that is
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what i did. when i got to the hospital, they were just ignoring what i was saying about the fact of being put in the next day for the c—section, treating me as if i was any other person who had just come for a normal vaginal delivery. i ke pt for a normal vaginal delivery. i kept saying, no, i am for a normal vaginal delivery. i kept saying, no, lam not meant for a normal vaginal delivery. i kept saying, no, i am not meant to be having a vaginal birth because of this and this. eventually, they got the consultant in and he was... by this point, i was having quite severe contractions. he was basically arguing with me while i was in labour about how it was not a very good reason for having a c—section and i should not be wanting one, i should just be having the baby naturally. i had to
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physically go through my notes with him and show him where the other consultant had written it in my notes and then he just said, we will have to see if we can fit you in them. went out of the room. they ke pt them. went out of the room. they kept after that giving delaying tactics, saying, the room is not free yet. did you get a c-section in the end? no, i did not. i had to have more repair surgery six months later. when you are describing that, it sounds like you are emotional just going through it again, does it still have an impact on you? it does, yeah. when i was trying to type the message i sent, it felt emotional, even though it was eight years ago now. let me read this message here. thank you, sarah.
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holly has said, i have had previous spine surgery and when i was pregnant, severe back pain. the dead wife agreed i should have a ca esa rea n wife agreed i should have a caesarean but the consultant was shocked —— the midwife. the couple took a nice guidelines state i have a choice but i was not listened to and my concerns about my spine were dismissed. i was in labour the eight hours, my baby was stressed, heartbreak dropping, i fail to progress, leading to a horrific emergency category two caesarean. the epidural block went to hide, i lost the ability to speak, i could not feel i was breathing —— too high. i not feel i was breathing —— too high. i could not move my own head, i nearly aspirated. i have a two further spine surgeries and i'm still on crutches two years later and in pain. i have had to have psychotherapy to cope with the
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trauma. i asked for a birth review over a year ago and i havejust had the opportunity to have the review. i'm fortunate my baby boy was healthy and well but i feel i was dismissed and denied what would have been the best option for me. what is your advice, all of you, you are a co nsulta nt your advice, all of you, you are a consultant obstetrician, you have worked the mumsnet, you have been through this, you are from the charity birthrights, what do you advise any expectant mum watching who might want to talk about the possibility of having a caesarean section? it is good to talk about that as early as possible, ideally try to find a caseload of midwifery team, so you can see the same one, build upa team, so you can see the same one, build up a rapport, and they will have much more sense of why you want to request a caesarean. if you need to request a caesarean. if you need to escalate any complaints, if you
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are concerned you are not being listened to, then all the information on that is on the website. clear information on there, in the complaint, about what are your rights. it is important to read guidance, to know what you are entitled to, and maybe take somebody with you to the appointment, as anna said, it is very difficult, when you are in that scenario with a doctor you may not have met before, in a medical setting, to remember the questions, take —— right them down, ta ke questions, take —— right them down, take some be with you for its support, so somebody can help you go through that. hospitals have complaints recesses, they are there to be used, if you are not the supportive, don't be afraid to use that process. they can be lengthy, a pregnancy is a finite term. do your research, i agree, pregnancy is a finite term. do your research, iagree, but it pregnancy is a finite term. do your research, i agree, but it should not be that a caesarean is only available to people who are able to do research and be articulate, if i
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did not have my husband with me at the appointment, i would not have been able to discuss it in any rational way. feel armed with knowledge, do your research, get other people's experiences, some users will say, get doctors letters, thatis users will say, get doctors letters, that is what we say on mumsnet. go in fully armed and fully supportive. and what would you advise, as a consultant? i totally agree with the birth choices, when you become pregnant, if you feel that you need to have a caesarean section, you need to highlight to your midwife early, and make sure you are referred to hospital to see a specialist consultant, who manages women, see a specialist midwife, who will talk to you. so you can understand —— so we can understand why you want to have a caesarean, so we can go through the journey with you and help you throughout your pregnancy, make the decision together, so we do the best thing for you. caesareans do not come
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without risk, as long as we have explored all the risks, everyone has their own risks, risk is categorised differently for each person. pens upon your circumstances. if we can talk through it with you, through your pregnancy, make a decision. —— it depends upon your circumstances. we will have it written on your notes. people have it in their notes, they are having to argue at the 11th hour will, at the final moment, when they are about to give birth, saying, it is in the notes. this shouldn't be happening, we should be honouring the birth plan written in the notes. at the beginning of the conversation you said, you are a student midwife, because of your own experience you wa nt to because of your own experience you want to make sure potentially this does not happen to other women in the future, how do you reflect on your own experience and how you would like to change that for other women? by ensuring i am listening to
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the women i am looking after. midwives are accurate advocates for women, it is essential they have their voices heard. someone who asks for a c—section has not come to that decision lightly, they have thought long and hard about it. especially if it is a second or third or fourth baby, their concerns should be heard, they should not be made to feel like they do not know what they are talking about. thank you so much for coming onto the programme. joshua was a delight. thank you, thank you all forjoining us. the head of the london fire brigade, commissioner dany cotton, says that offensive stereotypes around firefighters are discouraging young women from joining the service. the commissioner criticised itv‘s love island for this year's fireman challenge which she says rolled out "every offensive cliche possible." let's take a look at that scene. look, it's fireman sam, fireman
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idris, fireman alex, you get the idea. cheering my god, a fireman is sexy! i think they are sexy, the sexiest trade, standing there, little bit dirty, there are helmets on, i love it. the boys are going head to head in a sexy boys are going head to head in a sexy rescue boys are going head to head in a sexy rescue mission... a sexy rescue mission, apparently that is a thing! stripping down to his bands, and then sliding down, my god, a fireman 's bowl... this is going to be a long day full of next he kicks down a door and rescues a girl he has been coupled with. all the while being squatted by fire hoses we can speak with elizabeth george, watch
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managerfor the london speak with elizabeth george, watch manager for the london fire speak with elizabeth george, watch managerfor the london fire brigade, and craig jones from the advertising standards authority which is working to ban adverts which reinforce harmful stereotypes. their role is to manage the crew for their role is to manage the crew for the day. i watched that clip, when it was broadcasting live, from the television, and it infuriated me! i have to say, quite dramatically, even small changes, like fireman, emphasising it is just the even small changes, like fireman, emphasising it isjust the man even small changes, like fireman, emphasising it is just the man that can do that role, is quite frustrating when i am out doing that job every day. why is that? it is not about the role you do, it is how it is portrayed, it is basically portraying that we stripped down, we jiggle portraying that we stripped down, we jiggle around... we go down some polls and that is the role... day life as a firefighter is nothing like that. —— poles.
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life as a firefighter is nothing like that. -- poles. danny king most people know that? you would hope, but everything is reinforced, it comes back to fireman, a male profession. -- don't you think most people know that. do you genuinely think that kind of challenge with those stereotypes put women of from joining the fire service? the term itself can put women. you did not see any females doing that or even use the term firefighter, does not have to be fireman, we have not been fireman for over 30 years, why do we still have to be called it? how do you regard this fireman challenge? we strongly endorse what liz and the commission are saying, this is a television show, the advertising standards authority regulates, we have conducted research around the country, spoken to academics, parents, children themselves, found out what they think, and the evidence we have is that people are
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internalising these images about gender roles, sometimes from a very young age, with real harm for themselves and for problems in the economy, some people do not live up to their potential, because they think a to their potential, because they thinka certain to their potential, because they think a certain role like a fireman is not for them. it really can have that impact on people? some research was hard edge, a really good example, the engineering people, people who represent engineers, they made a submission to us that argue that the labour workforce shortage in the engineering sector is because of the announcement of female engineers, because too few women are growing up imagining they can grow up growing up imagining they can grow up to be engineers, so there is a drip effect that advertising can have an people internalise that. any difference between what you describe asa difference between what you describe as a harmful stereotype in an advert, and a harmful stereotype which is what dany cotton is saying about an entertainment programme like love island? it is a good point
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that not all gender stereotypes are harmful, what we will do is publish it will later in the year and some standards which gives clear ideas of which are harmful. let's have a look at this, this isn't advertising and —— this is an advertisement for harpic. we are checking all the smoke alarms on the street, can i ta ke smoke alarms on the street, can i take a look at yours? there we go... you are smiling, what do you think? we investigated this one. why? people complain. about? the image. they thought that it was perpetuating offensive stereotypes, we did not agree five years ago but that was a different era, a lot of focus on the gender pay gap at the moment, the #metoo campaign, society changes and reason we have done this
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research is to find out how it has changed. we are toughening the rules. i cannot say whether that will be banned right now because we have not yet published the rule. the london fire brigade shows that add to female firefighters as part of a training exercise. —— ad. to female firefighters as part of a training exercise. -- ad. my goodness... this is just... training exercise. -- ad. my goodness... this isjust... that does not appeal to me, that is not who i does not appeal to me, that is not wholam, does not appeal to me, that is not who i am, that is not what i expect, thatis who i am, that is not what i expect, that is not howl who i am, that is not what i expect, that is not how i see firefighters, firefighters are people who are responsible members of their community, who help us in a variety of ways. i don't agree in anyway with how they are represented there, in quite a tacky fashion... that is just... no, tasteless. iwould not buy it, never. do you agree? that it is tasteless? i think there is better ways you can portray the role
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ofa better ways you can portray the role of a firefighter, rather than coming in in a saucy background, without connotation. it is not what we do. notjust connotation. it is not what we do. not just offensive towards connotation. it is not what we do. notjust offensive towards women, it is offensive towards all the male firefighters that we have, people are going to look into the role of a firefighter and think that is what we do, comes across quite sleazy, we don't go around people's houses, sleazy, worming our way into put up a smoke alarm, that is not what we are aiming to be. but it isjust an ad, justan are aiming to be. but it isjust an ad, just an entertainment programme, if you don't like the concept, then you will not buy the product. fair enough? well, not necessarily, you have probably got more understanding of how advertising affects consumers. there is genuine harm, some of these advertisements are harmful, does not mean every image ofa harmful, does not mean every image of a woman cleaning in on an and man doing diy is harmful, but some of
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these harder examples of women and men only doing certain roles, or, women failing at tasks like parking a car, men not being able to change a car, men not being able to change a nappy. a car, men not being able to change a nappy, these are perpetuating very limiting stereotypes about how people see themselves, advertisers should do better. dany cotton is the first woman to hold the london fire brigade most senior position has said, fireman challenge on love island reinforces misconception that all firefighters are muscle—bound men, no wonder so many young women are put off. you clearly were not by those stereotypes, why not?” are put off. you clearly were not by those stereotypes, why not? i had friends growing up thatjoined the fire service, so i had a very grounded view of the kind of people that took upon that role. you saw the reality, because of people you know. what is motivation for doing thejob you know. what is motivation for doing the job you do? something different every day, helping the community. so many different ways you can help the community, it is endless. thank you very much. 300, 300 was the london fire brigade's operational fire
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firefighters are women, 6%. —— 300 of the london fire brigade operational firefighters are women. 6%. we have not yet been able to reach the agency who are made the advertising and for harpic and the makers of love island have declined to comment. i was two weeks overdue with my daughter when i went to hospital, after 24 hours of being there, i still was not ready to give birth naturally. as for they see section, which i was refused at first, only after 48 hours of pain and anxiety and stress, the doctor decided to check the oxygen level of the baby, it turned out they needed to do a c—section asap, so there was no brain damage due to the low level of oxygen. —— c—section. iwas brain damage due to the low level of oxygen. —— c—section. i was rushed to theatre within minutes, the bad
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news was minutes away. why did the doctors wait until the last minute when i had been begging them for a c—section from the start. now i would love to have another child but iam afraid would love to have another child but i am afraid of going to hospital and going through it all again. this is from zoe, i was two weeks overdue and requested a c—section and was told i could not have one, when i ask for a second time i was told i would have to have a psychological assessment, which frightened me. i went ahead with being induced, scary labour, 15 hours, ending in a forceps delivery. my son was born with a very bruised head as a result of the forceps. you are told throughout the pregnancy you are in control of the birth, when you ask for a c—section you are made to feel terrible. i had ihada i had a horrendous experience, hypertension, in hospital every of the day checking my blood pressure. they refuse to do a c—section because i was... i asked for one, i
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was poorly, i had billy mcchrystal was poorly, i had billy mcchrystal was not allowed one. after 48 hours of labour, my baby turned, the midwife had not realised, emergency forceps in the end though. because of my fibroids, i haemorrhaged. i feel so lucky to have my baby but i cannot help thinking that the c—section might have been a little less traumatic for us all. donna says, pregnant with my five—month—old little boy, we found out at 35 weeks he was in breach position. i was offered a procedure to attempt to move the position of the baby. i was worried about the risk factor to the baby with the procedure so i opted for elective ca esa rea n. procedure so i opted for elective caesarean. i felt very pressurised to not go down this route. ifor caesarean. i felt very pressurised to not go down this route. i for the health professionals were not happy with my decision and try to sway me from the sea section. at all costs.
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sarah says... so many of these —— the c—section. i have severe asthma, one of my biggest fears was having an asthma attack in labour. my ba by‘s growth slowed an asthma attack in labour. my baby's growth slowed and she had to be delivered early. my consultant wa nted be delivered early. my consultant wanted to induce me despite the possibility of exacerbation of asthma being a known side—effect of the drugs. finally, my asthma exacerbated and i had to be given intravenous steroids to bring it under control and only then was the decision made to give me a c—section. surely this was the decision they should've made in the first place given the known risks? thank you so much, i have got some more and i will try to read them before the end of the programme. breaking news, to do with those involved with the hillsborough disaster, sir norman bettison,
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former chief constable who was last year ‘s charged with misconduct in a public office, he will not face prosecution over the aftermath of the hillsborough disaster. it was alleged he had lied about his involvement in the wake of the disaster and about the cult ability of liverpool fans but today the crown prosecution service said it is going to discontinue the case —— the culpability of liverpool fans. the former chief constable sir norman bettison will not face prosecution over the aftermath of the holes per disaster. last year, he was charged with misconduct in a public office —— the aftermath of the hillsborough disaster. it was alleged he had lied about his involvement in the wake of the disaster and about the culpability of liverpool fans but today the crown prosecution service says it is going to discontinue the case. reaction on bbc news through
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the day. next... hollywood rom com crazy rich asians has topped the us box office in its opening weekend. it tells the story of an asian—american woman who gets a culture shock meeting her boyfriend's ultra—wealthy family in singapore. it's the first rom com to reach the number—one spot in more than three years and it's the first major hollywood film to feature an all—asian cast since thejoy luck club 25 years ago. there's such hype about this film that its uk release date has been brought forward by two months, so just how important is this film, and does it mark a shift in on—screen representation? have a look at this clip. rach, we've been dating for over a year now and i think it's about time people met my beautiful girlfriend. what about us taking an adventure east? like queens? singapore, colin's wedding. don't you want to meet my family? i hardly know anything about them. every time i bring them up, he changes the subject. maybe his parents are poor and he has to send them money. i'll take your bags
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and get you checked in. we can't afford this. so your family is rich? we're comfortable. that is exactly what a super—rich person would say. 1.2 million. the nick you are dating is nick young? yeah, you guys know them or something? hell, yeah. they are just the biggest developers in all of singapore. damn, rachel, it's like the asian bachelor. these people aren'tjust rich, they are crazy rich. you should've told me you were the prince william of asia. that's ridiculous, much more of a harry. mum, this is rachel. shejust thinks you're some unrefined banana. no, no, no. those are for your fingers. yellow on the outside, white on the inside. i know this much... you will never be enough. you got nastier. brilliant. let's talk now tojing lusi, who plays mandy ling, the ex—girlfriend of the main character nick in the film. she's also starred in holby city and lucky man.
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kirsten han is a singapore journalist and activist. mallory yu is a producer and movie editorfrom washington. tell us about your character, amanda? she is nick's x, they were supposed to be together, her family are very supposed to be together, her family are very much... she does not take that much of like to rachel, they have history, amanda befriends rachel in the movie and she is not exactly the nicest friend you could have. how significant does it feel as the first all asian on—screen representation in 25 years? struggle to cope with it, take it in. when you are an immigrant like i am, i came to england when i was five,
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southampton in the 90s, very non—ethnic predominantly, when you do not see yourself reflected in society and in tv... magazines and asa society and in tv... magazines and as a child, you get this feeling there is something wrong with you and you do not deserve to be seen. now been in this revolutionary movie, the front line of a massive change, it is something i could have only dreamt of. when i was a kid. hello. thank you for talking to us. what kind of stereotypes do you think this film smashes? it smashes the stereotype that asian men cannot be sexy and the female gaze is
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pretty obvious in this movie. you see nick young shirtless all the time, his best friend, colin, whose wedding it is, he is very attractive. it is showing new east asian men can be beautiful and hollywood stars. -- showing you. what do you think of the film? great. it is a fun romantic comedy, a film that is gorgeous. so much affection that they have put the material, the cast, making singapore look as beautiful as possible and making his cast sparkle. it is fun, the jokes land. they all break out especially to an american audience. michelle is incredible and the
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acting is fun. you say whilst the film is a really big step for hollywood, representation means a different thing to you, explain to our audience what you mean by that. very much so. from singapore and the perspective in singapore, it is not the first all asian film in 25 years, there are all asian films all the time from asia, so while i completely understand the milestone that it completely understand the milestone thatitis completely understand the milestone that it is for asian americans to get representation in a hollywood film, at the same time, crazy rich asians does not give the same representation to minority groups in singapore. about a quarter of the population on non—chinese, malay, people of south asian descent, eurasians, they do not really feature in the film, even though it is set in singapore. it is replicated, the erasure, in crazy
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rich asians, and there are representation issues. she is playing a chinese singaporean character, she speaks... it seems inappropriate to appropriate the culture in that way. these are some of the representation issues. culture in that way. these are some of the representation issuesfl focuses a lot on the wealthy in singapore, you are not mad on that, you see it as problematic? yes, so just two days ago, the prime minister gave his national big annual speech and he had to reassure singaporeans about the cost of living. it is in the middle of a big national conversation about inequality and poverty as a country. it isa inequality and poverty as a country. it is a bit of an odd time for this film that pictures singapore as crazy rich, decadent. but it is
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fa ntasy, crazy rich, decadent. but it is fantasy, a film, entertainment. there has been a huge reaction in the usa, topping the box office in the usa, topping the box office in the us, do you think there will be the us, do you think there will be the same reaction in britain, for example, in europe? i sincerely hope so. the fact they pulled the movie forward by two months, such a positive thing to do and i am so happy england, britain, have made the choice. jumping on rebecca's point about the representation, i think the fact... it is a movie, beautiful, successful, funny, warm, it isa beautiful, successful, funny, warm, it is a huge step forward because there is so much history of asians being depicted in a negative stereotype in western cinema and there has been so much pressure on this movie, it has smashed box office and release dates being pulled forward, a huge step forward and we cannot please everybody,
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but... there is a whole backlog of...| but... there is a whole backlog of... i think the problem is, jumping in. please do. precisely because the film is marketed as revolutionary and a milestone and a huge deal, that is why singaporeans come up with the critique, you have raised our minorities, even though the film is set in our country. peshmerga you have erased. the reaction, it is grating to hear, you cannot please everybody. —— you have erased. the film is set in our country. that is kind of where the conflict is, it is not that we do not want it to do well for asian americans, but it is coming at the expense of minority groups in
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singapore. understood. thank you for yourtime, singapore. understood. thank you for your time, all of you. continued success with the film. thank you. thank you for all of the many m essa g es thank you for all of the many messages today. i want to read one more about c—section. i was told my son was distressed and needed to come out. i begged for a caesarean was told no, major surgery. ten hours in, losing the heartbeat, i was told i needed an emergency ca esa rea n was told i needed an emergency caesarean but they could not do because they did not have the right blood tests, he was pulled out with forceps, the court was around his neck, he was lucky to be alive, i have never had another child —— kill cord. have a good day. good morning. starting off this morning much like yesterday, lots of cloud, rather warm and muggy start
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of the day, lots of cloud around at the moment, as you can see from this picture in cumbria. holes developing in the cloud across england and wales and that will continue this afternoon. some spells of sunshine in the england and wales. feeling quite warm as well. up to 22, 20 five. thicker cloud in the far north—west of scotland, some showers ahead of the band of rain and highs of 18-21. ahead of the band of rain and highs of 18—21. the rain will spread into scotland, patchy rain eventually in northern ireland. quite warm and muqqy northern ireland. quite warm and muggy night once again for many, no lower than 14—16. the rain across scotla nd lower than 14—16. the rain across scotland and northern ireland gradually moving south and east but affecting northern england and wales and by the side of that, spells of sunshine. warm and humid to the south, much fresher to the north. this is bbc news.
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