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this is bbc news. i'm annita mcveigh, live in dublin. the headlines at two o'clock... the pope has visited the shrine of knock, saying he begs for god's forgiveness over sex abuse allegations linked to the catholic church in ireland. translation: this open wound challenges us to be firm and decisive in the pursuit of truth and justice. we will bring you continuing coverage of the pope's visit to ireland as he prepares to say mass in front of a crowd of half a million people in phoenix park in dublin. and i'm shaun ley. the other headlines this hour... senatorjohn mccain, the vietnam war hero turned senator and us presidential candidate, has died at the age of 81. a search and rescue operation is under way for two fishermen
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after their boat sank off the coast of great yarmouth in norfolk. emmerson mnangagwa is sworn in as president of zimbabwe, the main opposition party boycott the ceremony. british scientists say they have pieced together what dinosaur dna looks like and their genetic structure is close to living birds. welcome back to phoenix park in dublin. behind me, performance since, performers, singing, talking, playing their instruments for the crowd of people who have gathered here for the mass here in phoenix park this afternoon. a crowd of half a million people are expected to listen to pope francis say the mass. i have been away on a very short break and when i left, although the park was filling up behind me, there
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we re park was filling up behind me, there were some spaces. i've come back and it is really getting quite full now. there is much more to this area for the mass than you can see behind me in the shot. as far as i can see, people everywhere. we are just seeing the president of ireland, we have just seen the president of ireland and the taoiseach, the prime minister, arriving for this service. there has been a lot of complementarity commentary in the newspaper today for the speech that the prime minister gave, just before the prime minister gave, just before the pope's speech yesterday. he called for a new chapter in the relationship between the charge and the state in ireland. well, i will tell you more about what is happening here at phoenix park. as i say, the masses due to begin around 3:30pm. the pope is exposed —— is
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expected in a half an hour to arrive here. he will then travel around the crowd in the popemobile. the crowd is divided up into sections. he will travel around in the popemobile before the mass, which will be the conclusion of his official reason for being in ireland this weekend. the world meeting of families, an event the world meeting of families, an eve nt ru n the world meeting of families, an event run every three years by the catholic church to celebrate the role of the family in the church. a little earlier today, the pope went to the shrine of knock in the west of ireland. a crowd of around 40,000 people were there. and doing —— during the short speech he
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delivered, he spoke of asking for god's forgiveness for the open wound of abuse. and saying also to the crowd that there would be action and justice. let's listen to this report. papal robes over an overcoat, pope francis began the second leg of his visit in the irish rain in of the most holy sites in ireland, knock, where an apparition of the virgin mary was once said to have appeared. thousands came to see pope francis today in the flesh. good morning. cheering. in his speech to sunday worshippers, pope francis once again addressed the issue of abuse, but today going further, speaking about the need forjustice. translation: none of us can fail to be moved by the stories of young
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people who have suffered abuse, robbed of their innocence and taken away from their mothers and left with the scars of painful memories. this open wound challenges us to be firm and decisive in the pursuit of truth and justice. but some survivors do not have confidence in the vatican's investigations. they are trying to protect the reputations of these men or, if you like, letting them save face by resigning rather than being shown, if you like, humiliated in the public eye. an estimated half a million people are gathering at phoenix park for this afternoon's papal mass. the focus of the weekend has been on the survivors of abuse, and how well their concerns are believed to have been addressed will be the measure of how successful the visit is judged to be. emma vardy, bbc news. so this is the scene here at phoenix
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park in the centre of dublin. you can see the stage and alter. it was specially created for this occasion. you can see the grade as well that has been laid out for the crowd. it gives you the sense of the space that i was talking about. in the area that i am overlooking, it is pretty well full of people at the moment. battling through the windy and damp weather. they've all come to see the pope who is going to arrive here in the next 25 minutes oi’ arrive here in the next 25 minutes or $0. you are watching continuing coverage
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of the papal visit to ireland, almost at its conclusion. this event in phoenix park in dublin will be the event which brings to a close this 36 hour trip by pope francis to ireland. at least bringing the public part of it to a close. he will make a further speech to irish bishops before he leaves dublin to return to rome. but it has been a packed agenda in terms of the public engagements he has carried out. and of course, amongst those engagements, the private meeting with eight survivors of abuse, clerical and institutional abuse here in ireland. joining me now to discuss her thoughts on the visit is
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a baroness. i know you where various hats in the different roles you carry out. let's talk first of all about the speech in shrine of knock earlier where the pope said he was praying for god's forgiveness for the open wounds of abuse. and if i canjust the open wounds of abuse. and if i can just refer to the speech as well, he said he was going to pursue truth and justice. now, well, he said he was going to pursue truth andjustice. now, he well, he said he was going to pursue truth and justice. now, he said these words before, but do they have a special significance here in ireland? i think of course they do. ireland? i think of course they do. ireland has suffered very much because of the child abuse sex scandals. i think there is a need to know that not just the priest offenders will be dealt with, but also the bishops and people like that who may have covered up. that must all be disclosed and dealt
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with. do you think the words are enough if we take the other references he has made, the meeting with the survivors, is that going to be enough to make survivors feel that the church is really grappling with this? i believe he told victims that he met with yesterday that he took full responsibility. and that he was very sorry for it. and i think that is as wholesome of an acknowledgement as he can get. what he has to do now is to ensure when he has to do now is to ensure when he gets back, the work that has been going on, that has been good, continues and develops in a way that will allow for real accountability. what does that mean? we have been talking about that, what does that accountability look like? some kind of independent department, outside
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the vatican responsible for ensuring the vatican responsible for ensuring the investigations that are being done against bishops and cardinals and archbishops that are dealt with properly. the assurance that there has been proper investigation and examination and findings which reflect the evidence. this is not going to be easy, it is going to be a different way of dealing, but we need it. but i guess it should be recognised as criminality as opposed toa recognised as criminality as opposed to a sandwich is the language church often uses. the problem that i think we have is that the church records all allegations are reported to the police and social services. that is the first and important thing. if the first and important thing. if the police prosecute and if the perpetrator is convicted, or if it was a priest, they will be out of the priesthood. then there is the
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question of what does the church do after that? do they have a continuing role? the church has to find ways of dealing with that. also they have to figure out a way to do with the police saying that we have no place to answer here. they have to work out how to deal with that. they have to assess what has happened. that is a very complicated sort of end of things. the most important thing is reported to the police, which happens now. that did not happen in the past. let the prosecutions take their course, let people go to jail, and then they must be laid aside. and then the church must be dealt —— the church was deal with the other parts of it. the people that are coming to this
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event, it reminds us that the catholic faith is still extremely strong in ireland. the majority of people profess to be catholics. and i guess there is a sense of renewal for many of them given that it is almost 40 years since the last pope came to ireland. john paul ii. given everything the church has been through, it must be very important that the pope has decided to come back here. i think so. i think the people of ireland welcome him here. i think people of northern ireland would have liked for him to be there to. he engaged —— he encourage eve ryo ne to. he engaged —— he encourage everyone to engage further with the reconciliation process. it is important for ordinary everyday families across the world. it is important because families in their different manifestations experienced so different manifestations experienced so many difficult situations. coming
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together, they learned they are not alone. they learned that there are those there to support them and they feel that their family is part of the biggerfamily feel that their family is part of the bigger family of the church. and there is certainly an affirmation of faith if you look across phoenix park today. all these people gathering in the wind and the rain. everyone here from the families here today, to the parish priest, to the pope himself, and many others will ta ke pope himself, and many others will take a look at this visit and they will go away and assess the impact of it. yes, there are people from 116 countries across the world today. it is important to recognise their presence, from syria, from spain, from india, from africa. they are here celebrating with us. this isa are here celebrating with us. this is a world meeting of families. it is a world meeting of families. it isa is a world meeting of families. it is a wonderful occasion and we're very glad that the pope has come.
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thank you very much your thoughts today. well, one report that came out overnight in the united states on the cbs news was about some allegations being leveled against pope francis. and i spoke to our religious edits are a little earlier and asked him about the reports. archbishop vigano was the vatican's ambassador to america between 2011 and 2016. and he is claiming that in 2013, very soon after pope francis was elected, he had a conversation with the pope and warned him about cardinal thomas mccarrick, who of course resigned just a month ago as a cardinal in washington, dc. the allegations surrounded the abuse of some seminary students. cbs have obtained this letter, it's 11 pages long, and i want to quote to you from it. it says, "pope francis must be
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the first to set a good example to cardinals and bishops who covered up mccarrick‘s abuses, and he should resign, along with all of them." the vatican has not responded in any ways to these claims. we've made repeated requests for interviews from a spokesperson. they have said nothing. but, interestingly, a source close to archbishop vigano has said that he has no evidence for this conversation having taken place. there is no documentary evidence or evidence of any sort being presented by either side? there's no e—mails, there is no correspondence. and what's also interesting about it is if the conversation took place in 2013, why did archbishop vigano not do something about it in the intervening five years? again, there is no reference to a continuing conversation. it's also worth saying that archbishop vigano has been part of a very conservative group of catholics in the hierarchy of the vatican.
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and there is a sense that the timing of this is not entirely an accident. because, of course, pope francis is here in ireland addressing decades of child sexual abuse allegations. so, there is some suggestion that there may be a conspiracy, as it were, amongst some. but we haven't been able to have a reaction from the vatican, and archbishop vigano has also declined any requests for interview. can i also get your thoughts, martin, on what pope francis has been saying, especially this morning at knock, about the abuse scandal here in ireland, about how the church should deal with it? as you know, you have been listening to him yourself, you have heard him speak of repentance, of remorse. the problem that many survivors speak about is a complete absence of remedies. many survivors are saying that the church needs to embrace a zero—tolerance policy towards anybody in the clerical establishment, who may have
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allegations against them. they are also saying that the church needs to establish some protocols for transparency and accountability. and again, there just doesn't seem to be any of that. in so much as you can read into what is a sentence, did the pope go further in knock this morning when he talked about decisive action to secure the pursuit of truth and justice? he's used that phrase, i heard him use that phrase in bangladesh, when i travelled with him to myanmar and bangladesh, and that's part of the problem. the language is absolutely right and clear. but where are the policies? and that's not me saying that. that's victims of abuse repeatedly saying, "when is pope francis going to produce the evidence of policies that are being applied right across the church?" now, of course, the challenge is we are talking about
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an institution with 1.2 billion members across the world, and so, it is very hard again to see how you can institute those policies universally. nevertheless, survivors are saying that unless pope francis gives very clear policies, then these words are simply words. and i'm reminded of that verse in the new testament in the epistle ofjames where he says, "faith without deeds is dead." martin, i were religious editor talking to me a little earlier today. we are going to leave you for the moment with this view across phoenix park. i don't know if you can pick it up from the point of view of our camera, but looking at it, you can see the crowds
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accumulated in front of the altar. it has been specially treated for this occasion. the weather, though, is really atrocious, i have to say. hardy souls out there. i don't know if you can see the rain being blown across an great sheets. we are expecting the pope to arrive shortly and to move around in the popemobile. we will be back very $0011. we will speak to her a little later. there's the picture, despite the weather, and the noise, and the wind and the rain, people are there and they are excited by the prospect of seeing pope as he tours around the side of the event. in just a few minutes. tributes are being paid to one of america's most respected politicians, john mccain, who has died at the age of 81. the vietnam war hero was a republican senator,
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defeated by barack 0bama in the presidential election ten years ago. on friday, senator mcccain‘s family announced that he had decided to stop treatment for a brain tumour. chris buckler looks back at his life. john mccain was a politician of principle — a patriot who believed in his country and fought for it at tremendous cost to himself. as a young navy pilot, he was shot down over hanoi, interrogated and tortured. his captors saw a potential propaganda coup when his father became commander of us forces in vietnam and offered him release. john mccain refused, despite the many beatings he suffered. on his return, he was hailed as a war hero and entered politics. he eventually spent 35 years representing republicans inside congress, but he was fiercely independent and often spoke out against the party, notably challenging the influence of big money on american politics.
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i will break the iron triangle in washington of money, lobbying and legislation, and they know that would be very, very disruptive financially to a lot of people's lives. he may have challenged washington, but he was respected here too. and in 2008, he was selected as the republican presidential candidate, but his campaign was not without mistakes and he was criticised for choosing sarah pailin as his running mate. ultimately, he was to lose to history, in the form of barack 0bama. i wish the outcome had been different, my friends. the road was a difficult one from the outset. but your support and friendship never wavered. his influence was still obvious in the twilight of his career. after brain surgery, he walked into the senate and stopped donald trump's attempts to get rid of the 0bamacare health reforms. with a grand gesture, he turned his thumb down. john mccain was a fighter to the end. he lived longer than expected
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after being diagnosed with an aggressive form of brain cancer. his family said it was with his usual strength of will that he chose to stop receiving medical treatment. but he was a man who never gave up hope, in politics or in his own personal battles. i hope to impress on you again that it is an honour to serve the american people in your company. john mccain, the us senatorfor arizona who died yesterday after a year—long fight with a brain tumour. he was a former us presidential candidate for the republicans. a search and rescue is still going on for two fishermen whose boat capsized. 0ur correspondent has the
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latest. well, it is hard to imagine the activity that is going on right 110w the activity that is going on right now out to sea. the coast guard helicopter, there are lifeboats and other vessels as well all searching for these two missing fishermen believed to be from belgium. three other colleagues were found last night floating on a liferaft and they were discovered by passengers ona they were discovered by passengers on a cruise ship who saw them when they put up a flare. apparently they we re they put up a flare. apparently they were there for four hours floating in the water. their ship went down so in the water. their ship went down so quickly apparently they did not have time to put up a mayday. they did not have a chance to put down a mayday so it must've gone down very quickly. the coast guard had heard nothing. they were drifting for four hours before the cruise ship picked them up. what happened? who knows. whether they were fishing and maybe got caught on something on the
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bottom. it must have been instant, really, to go down that quick. it is quite a large vessel as well. so, it isa quite a large vessel as well. so, it is a frightening thought. 20 vessels we re is a frightening thought. 20 vessels were launched last night. days than many hours searching for the two remaining this morning. no luck so far. they were outjust remaining this morning. no luck so far. they were out just after 6am this morning and they say they have found some wreckage. they saved the boat went down incredibly quickly triggered they may well have got caught on something which pulled it under. they certainly did not have time to put out a mayday. they found wreckage, and unfortunately an underinflated lifeboats. no sign of the two fishermen. but they will spend the rest of the day until the light fades looking for them. the opposition party,
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the movement for democratic change, boycotted the inauguration over claims of election rigging. emmerson mnangagwa called for the country to come together. i, emmerson dambudzo mnangagwa, swear that, as president of zimbabwe, i will be faithful to zimbabwe. and will obey, uphold and defend the constitution, and all other laws of zimbabwe. and that i will promote whatever will advance zimbabwe. and will oppose whatever may harm zimbabwe. that i will protect and promote the rights of the people of zimbabwe.
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that i will discharge my duties with all my strength, to the best of my knowledge and ability. and adhere to the diktats of my conscience. and that i will devote myself to the well—being of zimbabwe and its people, so help me god. applause emmerson mnangagwa taking the office of president. it is still pretty atrocious in phoenix park. hopefully not dampening the enthusiasm. is there anything for us to be enthusiastic about? hello, probably not today, but for
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much of the uk, it has been wet and windy. we still have more rain to come. a few showers following on behind the dry spot. heaviest was east anglia and southeast england do this afternoon where the winds will be quite gusty. up to 40 miles an hour. 0ver be quite gusty. up to 40 miles an hour. over this evening and overnight, it will clear away. behind it we will have some showers. not quite as cool as recent nights. lows between nine and 15 celsius. away from scotland tomorrow is a bank holiday and it will be a drier day. some sunshine, and some showers. it won't be so strong or gusty the wind as it was today. temperatures will be about 16 and 20 celsius. a little bit warmer. you are watching bbc news. we're going
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to go to ireland now to the scene in phoenix park in dublin where hundreds of thousands of people are there and here we are. the pope is beginning his procession around the side ahead of a mass that will take place. in that vehicle of renown. the popemobile, which was first introduced byjohn paul as pope, he visited ireland back in 1979. it is a slightly different popemobile. there have been all kinds of changes made. it would have aged and been replaced anyway, but this is a more modern and up—to—date design. until john paul became pontiff, popes were carried on shoulder. as a result of that, it was something that fell out
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of favour in the vatican. he was the last to be carried by public tendons, the predecessor to john paul. it is a very useful way for an elderly man to be able to get around and be seen by the crowds. this is a wonderful opportunity for those who are devout catholics to see the man who leads their church and you can see them waving and smiling despite the weather. this is a day that many will rememberfor the rest this is a day that many will remember for the rest of their lives
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as the pope visits phoenix park in dublin. this is the scene in phoenix park, and what we are expecting is that for probably another few minutes, the pope will continue to tour. it is enormous, as anybody who has been to phoenix park will know.

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