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this is bbc world news and these are our headlines: a court in egypt has sentenced 75 supporters of the muslim brotherhood to death over a protest which killed at least 800 people five years ago. the demonstration in cairo began after the military removed the then president mohamed morsi from office. the united nations is warning of a humanitarian crisis in syria's idlib province as russian warplanes intensify airstrikes on rebel positions there. idlib is the last major rebel stronghold in northern syria. one of china's richest men, jack ma, says he's stepping down as boss of the online giant alibaba to become a philanthropist. alibaba is now the world's fifth biggest tech company. serena williams is seeking a 24th grand slam. she is facing naomi osaka who is playing herfirst majorfinal. osaka was just a toddler when williams won her first us open. at ten o'clock, ben bland will be here with a full roundup of the days news.
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first, our world, a tale of two swedens. music sweden. for decades, people have been coming here to try to learn the secrets of this country's multiple success stories. in openness and transparency, innovation and new technologies. in healthcare, welfare, and gender equality. but lately, there has been a growing chorus of sweden's sceptics. you look at what's happening last night in sweden... sweden. malmo is now the rape capital of europe. they paint a picture of a country where openness and liberalism have created a nightmare that now
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threatens the very existence of those values themselves. two contradictory narratives. they can't both be true. so what's really going on? a spectacular bridge, well known to fans of scandinavian crime drama, connects denmark to the swedish city of malmo. but it's real crime that's worrying people here, and some are blaming immigrants. during the crisis of 2015, sweden took in more refugees per capita than even germany. hundreds of thousands came,
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attracted by an open door policy and generous welfare payments. many settled in an area of malmo called rosengard, already home to a large immigrant population. in the past there have been riots here, cars burned. earlier this year, the police station was bombed. part of rosengard, just over there, in fact, has been designated by the swedish police as a vulnerable area. one of 23 such areas across the country. now, there are those whose say that is just putting a positive spin on it. what this is is a no—go zone, a ghetto, where crime is spiralling out of control. young guys who don't have much to do, so, let's have some fights with the police. glen sjogren is one of the city's most senior police officers. it is what they call the worst area. this is the worst area? yeah.
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the biggest problem is drugs and guns. ten people have been shot dead in malmo this year already. when was the last time you had a shooting here? two weeks ago. where was that? just around here. just here? that's right. that's him? that's him, yes. do you know who did it? we think we know. you think you know? yes. have you made an arrest? not yet. one of the most sensitive topics here is about immigration, and some people say that it's immigration that's to blame for this rise. i don't think so. you don't think so? not at all, no. who is doing these shootings? are they called sven and bjorn and do they have blond hair? normally not. sweden has, in recent years, also seen a rise in the number of reported rapes and sexual assaults. lawyers say the police
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are struggling to cope. it is like that right now and that is very bad, because if we have police working with rape cases and then we have a lot of shootings in malmo, they need to take police from this, so they have to work with the shooting instead. that means that the rape cases are piled. so they have to wait. ok, let's pause here for a moment. that's part of this story, but there's more. the figures are highly contested. sweden has broadened the legal definition of rape in the past few years. look at what ulrika rogland told us before that clip we just showed you. what is going on with rape figures in sweden? are they up, or are they down? i think they are up, but it's rather difficult to say why they are up. i think it's a good thing that they are up, because to me it means that more people are reporting them. you don't think that more people are actually being sexually
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assaulted and raped ? no, i don't think so, because we have known for many years that we have a lot of people who do not report, especially in the homes where the most assaults are committed. when journalists go to report on a story we strive for accuracy and balance, of course. but we often also go in search of a narrative. and in complex situations, one narrative can eclipse another. let's go back to rosengard and start again. part of rosengard, just over there, in fact, has been designated by the swedish police as a vulnerable area, one of 23 such areas across the country. what does that mean? it means they have problems, with crime, with unemployment. but this is still sweden, right? how bad can it get? young guys, who don't have much to do... glen sjogren has been a police officer in malmo for four decades. the rate of crime in
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malmo is going down. really? everybody says it's going up. no. what's going up is spectacular shootings. the biggest problems are indeed drugs and guns. the latest shooting was just a couple of weeks ago. who was the guy who was shot? he lived here. just a local resident? selling drugs, of course. he was a drug dealer? of course. you knew about him? yeah. everybody who got shot in malmo is a well—known criminal. right, so the criminals are shooting each other? that's right. there are no innocent victims? no. let's take another look at that sensitive question about immigration? who's doing these shootings? are they called sven and bjorn and do they have blond hair? normally not. right, ok. but you don't think it's to do with immigration? no.
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explain that. these guys have not succeeded in school, they don't have a job, and so, of course, they are immigrants, but they are second or third generation. so they are actually swedish. both versions of what we have just shown you reflect reality. but it doesn't take much to tip a narrative. this is a story about a wider gulf in perception between the image that sweden projects and the lived experience of some swedes which has begun to contradict that narrative. to understand the origin of sweden's image as a beacon for progressives and liberals, you have to go back to the middle of the 20th century. politics was dominated by the social democrats, a party with roots in the labour movement which, through a bold
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hybrid of socialism and liberalism, appeared to achieve startling results. these are the richest people in the world. they have the highest standard of living in a super welfare state which has abolished poverty and eliminated strikes, where everything and everyone works. the only country in the world were seven—year—olds attend lessons on sex. sweden projected itself as a model to emulate, but even in the 1960s people were asking is the good sweden narrative to good to be true? all around the town you can see the discrepancy between the swede as he is, and as he'd like to be. they worship themselves in images of bronze, but are the trolls and gremlins creeping back? one thing the swedes have always worshipped is the sun. that discrepancy is even starker today. sweden still regularly comes out
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at or near the top of international rankings for happiness and prosperity. but it spends less than it used to on welfare and public services. we have been so lucky here. now i think we have started to see difficulties in this society, and they don't necessarily have to do with immigration at all. now people see that my kids school is not working, my elderly parents are not being taken care of in a proper way, or the buses or the trains are not working, they are always running late. i think that people are feeling that they are doing everything right but they are not getting back the welfare that we were used to. the heyday of sweden's liberal socialist hybrid is over. old industries have died. others have sprung up to take their place. the transition to a more globalised economy and a more educated workforce has been good for some,
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but not for everyone. it has produced a sweden that is less equal and less homogeneous. of course, there are elements of truth and of exaggeration in both these narratives. but the good sweden story, the story of this perfect little nation where everything works and everyone lives in harmony, has been so dominant for so long that now that it is being challenged, it feels all the more disturbing. to get beneath the skin of the bad sweden narrative, that the country isn't working any more, you have to leave the city and get out the countryside. an hour's drive from malmo we meet morgan nilsson. he's in construction. it was the party of the working man? now, he says he and many of his
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fellow construction workers have ditched the centre—left and switched to the sweden democrats, a party with its roots in the neo—nazi movement that is riding high in the polls, by focusing on the issue of migration. he says open borders has been bad for swedish workers. it is not good for us, who work in construction. we can't compete with them. it is driving down wages and prices? yes. you would like sweden to leave the european union? yes, i don't believe in open borders or anything. if we can't stop at his coming into the country we don't know who's in the country. all those international rankings, they do not ring true to morgan. to him, it doesn't feel like sweden is the fair and equal society at once was.
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lots of people in sweden would not agree with you. no. they would say like an sweden is great. we have very high standards of living, most people are well off. yes. yes, we have. so what is the problem? i don't know what the problem is, i live good and i have it good and many people have it good. but we don't take care of the really sick ones and very poor ones and the older ones. we don't take care of them. i believe in the sweden democrats‘ policy, to keep sweden like it has been before. we'll be landing in stockholm. sweden has become disconnected. in private homes, and public institutions, people are arguing about what kind of country they want this to be. about what kind of country it actually is.
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those debates will now be tested at the ballot box. in the capital, stockholm, we meet the governing social democrats out canvassing. this is the party that designed sweden's liberal socialist hybrid that has run this country for much of the last century. but lately their support has been shrinking. hi, we're from the bbc. we know! we have been informed. oh, you've been informed. how's it going? pretty good. you guys seem so positive, like everything is just great. that's the image we all have of sweden, where everything works and everything is brilliant. but it actually does. the other day someone yelled at me. what did they say to you? that i should acknowledge the chaos. mm.
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yeah. and i actually can't see any chaos. yes, of course, there are people that are suffering and hurting, and that is extremely bad, but we can do something about it. what do you think that person was talking about? actually, i don't know. that's the thing... do you think you'e living in different worlds? probably. i asked him. please can you explain, i don't understand where your chaos is, because i think it's rather nice here. and he just give me the creepy eye and said, "the immigrants". here's a startling statistic, sweden today has higher income inequality than the united states did under ronald reagan. one swede said to me we used to be one of the most egalitarian societies in the world. now we've imported class differences — in part because of immigration.
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we have come to stockholm to meet one of the most senior ministers from the centre—left government. on our way we got chatting to two young swedes, both out of work and homeless. what should we say to her, what should we ask her? i will ask why are you not helping your people who are already here? we are. but we have to do both. he says help your own people before you help others. and this is a guy who came from somalia in 1991. we are most generous to the un system, to the un bodies that work to prevent poverty, to create possibilities, to help people rise from poverty in their own countries. around the world. you call yourself a humanitarian superpower. but we are. right, right. we are. but this guy is saying what about us, here at home? but of course we do. he has a right to get money to somewhere we live to get food and everything.
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but what so many swedes have told the mainstream politicians, especially the social democrats, are not talking about the problems that worry me. every day. every day, since we took office, every day. but that's not how people perceive it. yes, but why? there is an interest from some to describe it that way. so you're saying it's fake news? all these people who are saying... i'm not saying fake news. ..they are not listening to us. no, but i'm not saying it is either or. you know, a society is the dark side, a bright side, and all the nuances in between. i think there is a battle on how to depict sweden and how to describe reality. why? because i think sweden, for so many years, was a roadmap model for many other countries in the world. we managed to be a progressive democratic state that also offered sort of a welfare system that embraced everybody. that's one picture. then of course we have been also affected by the polarisation that we can see
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everywhere in the world. and there was a political interest in depicting sweden as chaos because of immigration or the asylum, the refugee crisis. so i think we are in the middle of all of that. and on the question of the rape figures. of course there has been an increase of rapes. is that related to immigration? i would not say. i do not know exactly how this is. but i think to some extent. if you come here, so many young men with a completely different view of women and the role of women and sexuality and what have you, this is something that you also have to inform, what are our laws, what is it you cannot do. so you think it's got something to do with it? i think it's a part of it. this country is changing fast.
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back in malmo i kept returning in my mind to that phrase from the old documentary. all around the town you can see the discrepancy between the swede as he is and how he would like to be. not so long ago, voicing concerns about immigration would make you a social and political outcast. no longer. public discourse is catching up with private thoughts. let's take you back to rosengard for a moment. because what's interesting about the sweden isn't working narrative is that it's shared by many of the second—generation immigrants whose parents came here expecting some kind of utopia. no, no, it is not the reality. it's so far away from reality. what is the reality? it is hard to explain. they say it's very good to live here. ok, people live here, they have food, but they don't feel good in their mentality, you know.
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why? i don't know. maybe it's the weather. hussein came to sweden from lebanon as a young boy. he's been out of work these past three years. as we stood chatting under the tree there was a moment of journalistic serendipity. hello. the newcomer is abdur rauf al—absi. he's a syrian. he's been here for five years. and in all my reporting i have rarely seen a happier refugee. from idlib. and how is life? life is good. what's he saying? he says all the people here are equal. really? is it really true, do you think? people from syria are very well in sweden.
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you see many of the sweden people now they are angry, because of this man, maybe they don't like him, because they say they came here from the war, they get everything, and we are sick, we cannot work, they don;t give us money, we don't have to eat, and i am swedish. do they have a point, do you think? i think they have right. a survey last year ranked this as the best country in the world to be a refugee. for decades the people who run this country, the politicians, the media, have been deeply invested in this narrative. but it's not the full story. you can live here all your life without speaking swedish. glen sjogren estimates that unemployment in rosengard, where almost everyone is from an immigrant background, is ten times the national average, maybe more. bad sweden. integration has been a disaster. but until recently to talk
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about that was taboo. we are not integrating good enough. you have to be straight and say who is causing this problem? what would happen if you said that in polite society in central malmo? i would probably be called a racist. maybe a nazist. a nazi? i don't know why, because it's the truth. do you think that political correctness failed that guy? in some way, yes. in what way? because to see the problem as it is and do something about it. so political correctness is quite literally killing people? that's your word. that's my interpretation of what you just said. yes, but i, ah, yeah. but i'm not really agreeing, there's other things. i'm putting words in your mouth. that's right. a little bit. there are a lot of other things that causes that. 0k. it's a complex problem. yeah, it is.
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before we go, and for the record... a british politician called malmo the rape capital of europe, is that... that's not true. donald trump had something too, i think. that's not true. you look at what is happening last night in sweden. sweden. nothing had happened in sweden at night. the american president had watched a documentary on fox news the previous evening that painted sweden as a failing state. of course it isn't, any more than it's a utopia. sweden is a lodestar in a polarised world. people come here looking for confirmation of their existing world view. the lesson that they might come back with is this — beware the simple narrative.
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that and don't believe everything you see on tv. this club is we are looking pretty changeable. on saturday, many areas so changeable. on saturday, many areas so cloud and rain, northern england are very worried they. across northern parts of scotland, we saw the best of the dry and bright weather. a bit of a change as we head on into sunday, northern areas would seem most of the rain, further
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south there will be more sunshine around. this weather front across western areas will bring the cup cloud that will move northwards and eastwards. northern ireland, much of england and wales will see sunshine, later in the day, wet and windy weather pushing into western scotland. it will be little better across the country, across england and wales, because we will have more sunshine around so 20 to 23 degrees, strong winds across scotland, 1a to 18 degrees. a ridge of high pressure in the new week, another weather system waking in the wings. —— waiting. good spell of sunshine around, through the day, cloud building up to the north and west, showers across england and wales but
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this weather system will bring persistent rain to northern ireland and then must of western scotland. in the sunshine, 18 to 20 degrees. not a bad afternoon. into tuesday, this weather front is the rain across the north—west corner of the country on monday, slipping southwards, a dividing line between cooler air to the north and warmer to the south. this is the setup we will have fought tuesday another blustery day across scotland and northern ireland, maybe the far north of england. a few showers around two, some spells of sunshine, around two, some spells of sunshine, a weather front central part of the country bringing outbreaks of rain. in the south, good spells of sunshine, we could make 23 to 25 celsius but further north it will heal cooler than that. the cold
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front will eventually slipped southwards and pushed the warm air act into the near continent so warmer on wednesday. the weather front line across the midlands, southern half of england, will eventually clear through so aware day and cruel as it —— cool as it clears. further north, a bright day, sunshine, lost the showers, most of these across the north west of scotland. end of the week, low pressure a cross scotland. end of the week, low pressure across the northern half of the country, the pressure higher across southern britain. thejet strea m across southern britain. thejet stream will be in a west east position, steering in low pressure to scotland and northern ireland. the setup, really, for the coming week is a warm staff in the south, turning cooler, rain at times for all, particularly in the north and west of the country and the further north you are, closer to the areas
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of low pressure, the windy it will be. this is bbc news. the headlines at ten: aftera pairof labourmps suffer no—confidence votes in their own constituencies, chuka umunna issues a stark warning to the party's leadership not to hound moderates out of the party. my message to our leadership is clear — it is within your power to stop this, so call off the dogs. people on low—pay wages, below what they were in 2008. they're the issues we're dealing with, not internal disputes that he's trying to invent, or referring to our party members as dogs. unacceptable. russian warplanes have launched fresh strikes on the syrian province of idlib as protesters call for international help to stop the offensive. people being harassed by cold
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callers will be given powers to stop them in new measures introduced by the government today. tributes have been paid to the us rapper mac miller, who's died
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