today at 5 — two russian men deny being involved in the salisbury chemical attack — they claim they were just tourists. the men — interviewed on russian state tv — admit being in salisbury in march — but say they were sightseeing. ourfriends had been suggesting our friends had been suggesting for a long time that we visit this wonderful town. salisbury? a wonderful town? yes. but the british government says it's just another case of russian lies and obfuscation. we'll have the latest reaction. the other main stories on bbc news at 5... preparing for a no—deal brexit — the cabinet meets to discuss contingencies in the event of no agreement between britain and the eu. a romanian tourist describes how he almostjumped in the thames after last year's westminster bridge attack in his frantic search for his girlfriend. an exclusive report on england's child carers — new research says more than 1 in 5 children is involved in some care

for sick or disabled relatives. you're not really that normal kidney more, you'rejust that you're not really that normal kidney more, you're just that young carer. cut my body in half, half of it would feel like an adult, half of it would feel like an adult, half of it would feel like an adult, half of it would feel like a child. and —— life—threatening waves and rainfall —— as hurricane florence bears down on the east coast of america. north carolina's feeling the effects of hurricane florence. the storm is just offshore and it's grown in size. it's 5 o'clock. our main story is that two russian men, named by the british authorities as suspects in the chemical attack in salisbury, have appeared on rt, the state—funded television channel russia today.

the pair — who identify themselves as alexander petrov and ruslan boshirov — claim they are the victims of a fantastical coincidence. the two — who do appear similar to the cctv images recently released by the police — denied having anything to do with the poisoning of the former russian spy sergei skripal — and his daughter — but they did admit having visited salisbury in march this year. you really look like the pictures shown to us by the uk. who are you? translation: we are those who were shown to you in the pictures. ruslan bics k and alexander petrov. are those your real names? translation: yes, they are our real names. even now when you are talking about it, to tell the truth you look really nervous. translation: what

would you look like? when your life is turned upside down in a moment. just one day changed our lives. on the cctv footage from london, you were in those now famous coats and sneakers in salisbury. are those people you? translation: yeah, that's us. what were you doing there? translation: our friends have been suggesting for some time that we visit this wonderful town. salisbury, a wonderful town? translation: yes. there is the famous salisbury cathedral, famous not only in europe but in the whole world. it's famous for its 123 metre spiral, its clock, one of the first ever created in the world that are still working. there we have the men claiming they

we re there we have the men claiming they were tourists in salisbury earlier this year, they were speaking on rt, the state funded russian television channel russia today. what kind of impression did these two make, how did you read things? well, they looked very reluctant to be dragged into that room and be interviewed by the head of the rt. they appeared to be tongue tied at some moments. russian media made a lot of fun out of ‘s land they are saying something they are not thoroughly accustomed to be doing. of course the idea if this is

now the course of the media machine in russia is taking with these two men, they would have to go and tell the stories on the russian tv channels which are broadcasting internally to the russian tv audiences, the audience here in rt is primarily foreign, obviously these two did not do a very good job convincing the foreigners that their visit to salisbury was pure tourism. we have the official denials, we have a president himself saying there was nothing criminal involved here, now we have had the two men speaking out, as you say, maybe relu cta ntly, speaking out, as you say, maybe reluctantly, but they have been speaking out. is there hope therefore in moscow that that will kind of draw a line under this order they realised this is likely to be a controversy for many years to come? this is probably not it, but the one thing we can go back to is the litvinenko affair. there we had two

men who also had to explain what they were doing in london. i dare to say the two from the litvinenko case we re say the two from the litvinenko case were much more fluent and much more flamboyant, especially in the case of mr lugavoi, in trying to prevent their pictures, to simply go there on tourism, watch the football game and then came to talk to their old pal, who then died, they don't know how. what i can say is that probably this version of events will probably be polished, be elaborated on, but i guess these two men now would have to go with a story it again and again and again and again. whether anything substantially will be added from the side of russian authorities trying to explain the trying to back the story up, we don't know. thank you very much. the russian perspective there analysed by oleg.

what has been the british reaction and what we have heard? just in the last hour or so, a statement from theresa may, saying it was an insult to the people's intelligence and deeply insulting to the loved ones of this horrific attack. if the intention of this was to get a rise out of number ten, i suppose you could argue they have got that. but essentially the reaction is that this changes nothing, there is nothing in what has been heard today, which raises i think an iota of doubt about the narrative laid out in such forensic detail by the government a week ago, and i think the contrast between these two, one a long, painstaking assembling of fa cts , a long, painstaking assembling of facts, and in presenting it to the public with all this detail, and the other machine to be little more than half a page of wikipedia thrust into the arms of these rather two

unwilling characters and told to go and get on with it. it is a pretty sharp contrast. a very sharp contrast, it leads us again to, now we have had this version of events, where next? because really, surely, there are severe limits in what anyone can do in terms of the diplomatic or other processors now. i think we are where we are because we have had competing narratives, com plete we have had competing narratives, complete with absurd aspects throughout this, rate since the very beginning. the russian ambassador here in london holding these press conferences, an astonishing array of versions of what might have happened. none of this takes us anywhere that complete failure of the two sides to agree the fundamentals of what happened. of course what has happened in the meantime is a ratcheting up of pressure on the russian government most recently by the americans posing a new wave of sanctions, with

more to come later on in the year, and talk, somewhat vague talk, from the british authorities about unexplained wealth orders, about putting pressure in that kind of way. perhaps the hope by the british government that there will be more signs of support perhaps across europe, though that is a tricky area because the russian government has its allies in europe still, but a sense that pressure applied over a long period of time will slowly wea ken long period of time will slowly weaken the russian position. there are signs that it is affecting the russian economy would severely, that has been the case for quite some time. there are no signs yet it is affecting vladimir putin's authority, and that of course in the long one is what people would like to see here. the time is nimely past five. members of the cabinet have been discussing preparations for possibly leaving

the european union without a formal deal. ministers have published more contingency plans — 22 in full today — in case that happens. earlier, brexit secretary dominic raab said that if the talks with brussels failed, the uk would not pay the full £39 billion divorce bill, which the government agreed in principle with the eu in december. well, let's take a look at some of the detail in the documents.... british drivers may need to apply for an international permit — in order to guarantee the right to drive in the eu. anyone planning on travelling to the continent after 29th march next year would need at least six months left on their passport. that's an important condition that is likely to be there. free mobile phone data roaming cannot be guaranteed. and british manufacturers selling their products to the eu may have to have their goods tested a second time — to meet eu safety standards. just a selection of the detail in

lots of those documents today. on this developing story, let's cross straight to our chief political correspondent, vicki young at westminster. pick out some of them for us because clearly lots of these will be very strong headline material. that's right, and this really is the nuts and bolts of what it means notjust to individuals, that accompanies too, to people wanting to travel to the eu, wanting to trade with the eu, the practicalities of what it might be like if there is no deal. so if you look at the issue of driving licences for example, at the moment you can go to a country, take your british driving licence, show that, and that allows you to drive there. they are saying that is not necessarily the case after brexit if there is no deal and you might have two apply for this international driving permit, the same as if you may want to drive injapan for example. there is also more than one type of this, if you want to drive

to two or three different eu countries, you might have to apply for more than one and paid for it of course as well. it is bureaucracy, i suppose, administration as well. and then looking at the broader theme of travel, shipping companies for example, so again this is something eve ryo ne example, so again this is something everyone might not know about, but at the moment if you are a shipping company you want to go to a eu port, you have to give advance acuity information, but because we are in the eu, there are exemptions for all of that. in a no deal scenario what this document says is that eu companies would be unable to issue such exemptions, so then you have to give a lot more pre—arrival information. what is interesting about this is that at the end of that it has the uk government will continue to give exemptions for services from the eu to the uk, regardless of the outcome of negotiations. so we are sort of saying we will carry on with this but there is no guarantee you will work the other way round. so how do you square all of that with the

repeated assurance from the brexit secretary that he is confident of getting a deal at the end of the day? i think what they're trying to do here under pressure of course from some of their own brexiteers is to show they are ready to walk away if it's a bad deal. we have heard theresa may says emily times no deal is better than a bad deal, this is then tried to say we are ready to do that, we are serious about that if you would give us what we want. but at the same time they are saying we do hope we can get a deal, that is the best case for everybody, and what the prime minister has put forward , what the prime minister has put forward, the so—called chequers deal, is the one they are looking at on are hoping brussels and parliament will get behind. this is what dominic raab had to say today. i think we need to be honest about this, in the event of a new deal scenario, not what we want, we would face short—term risk and short—term disruption by what we need to have in place and what i think people will expect us to have in place is a set of plans and proposals and the readiness amongst our institutional

capacity that staff and government, to manage those risks, avoid them where possible or mitigate them, matters what we are confident now we have got. the other message the government is pumping out is that the 39 billion we have talked about the 39 billion we have talked about the uk handing over as part of that brexit withdrawal deal, they are saying quite loudly now that actually that is all contingent on there being some kind of good deal at the end of it, some kind of trading relationship was that we heard theresa may say it yesterday in the house of commons, something dominic raab was keen to emphasise again today. for those on the other side of this, particularly those campaigning fora side of this, particularly those campaigning for a so—called people's vote, for those that think the deal theresa may comes back with should be put to a second referendum, they think these documents being put out ofa think these documents being put out of a just show the harsh reality of the way the uk government is heading. weak we need to be clear about why we are talking about no

deal, it is only because that the prime minister cannot get agreement from her own party about the negotiations. in ordinary circumstances with weeks to go, we would be closing the gap with the eu. this prime minister can't do that because her own party when letter, so these technical notices are against that background of an utterly divided government and i think people are very fed up with that. that is the message from the labour leadership, and talk of those internal conservative party woes and the fighting, and of course people expect to see quite a bit more of that as they head into their conferences of the next couple of weeks. the headlines on bbc news... two russian men deny being involved in the salisbury chemical attack , they claim they were just tourists. the cabinet meets to discuss contingencies , in the event of no agreement between britain and the eu.

in the westminster tourist who claims he almost dived into the returns to search for his tour friend after the westminster attack. a three wicket win clinched their first victory in 610 years. britain's simon yates has retained his overall lead after stage 18 of the vuelta a espana and england's georgia hall, the british open champion, has made a strong start to another major, the avian championship. that's three under par she isjust championship. that's three under par she is just three shots off the first—round lead. i will be back with more on all those stories at 5:30pm. this week, it is tenyears since the banking giant lehman brothers collapsed. it was the biggest casualty of the financial crisis — the root cause of which was the decision by american financial institutions to give mortgages to people who often couldn't afford them.

those loans were bundled and sold from one bank to another, so when the housing bubble burst, panic spread quickly throughout the financial system. the effects of the crisis are still felt today. and what of the people who worked for lehman brothers —— famously photographed leaving the building carrying their belongings in cardboard boxes? emma simpson has been speaking to threeformer employees to find out what they're doing a decade on. it was the largest bankruptcy in us history. the moment when the credit crunch spiralled into a full—blown financial crisis. workers cleared their desks, too, watched by the world's media — including me. emma, what have you been able to glean for us? well, the mood tonight here is grim, huw, as you would expect. thousands of workers leaving the office tonight, wondering if they're going to have jobs to return to. ten years on, so, what did happen to all those workers? some were just new recruits, starting their careers in the city.

like anil stocker, joining lehman brothers straight out of university. so, this bag was given to all the new recruits when we joined. as a veryjunior employee, we didn't really see what was coming. there was also quite a lot of propaganda inside the building. i remember posters in elevator saying, you know, "lehman brothers will not be affected by the global financial crisis." so, 0wen, what are our 03 priorities? anil went on to start his own financial technology company, lending to small businesses. i guess the experience of lehman did scar me, in many ways. and i wanted to set about creating my own company, help small businesses in the real economy, be a force for good. actually the antithesis of what i'd seen. for emilie bellet, starting at lehmans was a dream job. an experience which also changed her career path. she's now created a business

to help women squeeze the most out of their money. i'm trying to use what i've learned and bring it to normal people. so, basically trying to democratise finance, and personal finance. how do you feel about being part of that industry at that time, which wreaked havoc? it felt awful, being part of lehman of the time. and it was extremely hard and stressful. so now i'm trying to give back, i'm trying to build a better business. but it was difficult. it was hard. for some people today, it's not a good sign to be an ex—lehman employee. here's another one. moscow graduate nikolay storonksky. nikolay‘s created a new disruptive digital bank. he understands why his fast—growing business has more rules to follow today. there was a lot of risk—taking and not wise risk—taking.

because i experienced everything myself in 2008, and when i read the regulations now, because of obviously applying for a banking licence, to become a bank, so i really understand where it's all coming from. few saw the crash coming, but there is now a new generation of financial entrepreneurs, determined to do things differently. emma simpson, bbc news. before we have a chat in the studio, the prime minister at that time of course was labour's gordon brown, and he has been talking to the bbc today and he said several things about it, but he said basically that the world was sleepwalking into another financial crisis, and that we weren't ready for that either.|j think we're going to look back on 2008 and 2009 and say we saw the problems, we started to act on them, and we certainly did in 2009 and

2010, and then people became complacent again. and ifeel we 2010, and then people became complacent again. and i feel we are sleepwalking into the next crisis. i feel this is a leaderless world, nothing when the next crisis comes, and there will be a future crisis, we find that we neither have the fiscal or monetary room for manoeuvre that we had in 2008— 09 or the willingness to take that action. with me in the studio, emily bell at, a former analyst for lehman bros, who has gone on to launch a finance company. and stephen loosley, a risk expert from financial consultancy catalyst who was directly involved in containing the scale of the 2008 crash. good to have you both in the studio, both of you offer different perspectives, very quickly emily, what are you doing now?|j perspectives, very quickly emily, what are you doing now? i am the founder of a start—up helping women to manage their personal finances. 0k, to manage their personal finances. ok, so very much focused on helping women to have a perspective on finance, which it was a bit of a gap

in the market? exactly, i thought there was a big gap between what was happening in the banks and what was happening in the banks and what was happening outside. and today's task via stephen is what?|j happening outside. and today's task via stephen is what? i am a partner catalyst, we advise banks and infrastructure how to comply with regulations. how much of that is drawn and your experience of ten yea rs drawn and your experience of ten years ago? a significant amount, after the 62 and he got together in 2009 and said we need to regulate banking and market infrastructure better, my experience became pretty useful afterwards. this is where i think viewers will be very interested in where you were ten yea rs interested in where you were ten years ago and what you were doing, so just give us a sense of what point you add in your career first of all, emily, and how you experienced at that point.|j of all, emily, and how you experienced at that point. ijust moved actually from paris to london. ifinished my studies in france and i moved for a job at lehman bros. at the time i got offered a summer internship, that was quite prestigious to work for a big

investment bank, so i finish my studies, pack my bags and moved to london to work for lehman bros as a full—time analyst working in the private equity team. i was looking at businesses, analysing them and seeing if we should invest or not in this type of companies. at what point did you become acutely aware that things were not good?|j point did you become acutely aware that things were not good? i think as everyone we were reading the news, it is not that as a junior employee you had more information than other people, and then of course the last weekend when lehman bros was not rescued, that is when we realise this is actually happening. at that point stephen, i think it is fair to say you were in the engine room at something for the london clearing house, is that right? right. tell us what the function of that was because it was absolutely crucial and highly secure asa absolutely crucial and highly secure as a mechanism, what was your function? i was one of the risk managers that looks after a portfolio of some of the risky trades that lehman bros left behind when they went bust, and they clearing house is there as a circuit

breaker in the financial system to make sure that when bank goes bang as an electrical appliance might, that shock is not transmitted to every other electrical appliance, so we are there to insulate the circuit. that sounds tense and stressful, what was the worst moment? when i realised that this event that is myjob that i had been preparing for the ages that i don't actually want ever to happen has actually want ever to happen has actually happened. the penny drops. and the penny dropped what effect, what were you confronted with? with 66,000 of lehman bros's more context trades across five currencies out to a jewish and of about 30 years on these trades. mind trillion dollars worth, and when the market opened on the monday morning and interest rates started to move, we were winning or losing six for every hundredth of 1% that interest rates move. those figures are impossible to ta ke move. those figures are impossible to take on for anyone not involved in that business. if you haven't got

it right, what would have happened? it is that contingent point, the shock spreading to other players within the system. if we are at the clearing house and others in the team had not been able to insulator that shock, there was the possibility the other banks would fall like dominoes. to what extent we re fall like dominoes. to what extent were you aware emily of the risk of that contagion, when you realised lehman bros was in trouble but you are part of a much bigger thing, what was the moment of that realisation? i think you first realise by the announcement that lehman bros is going bankrupt, and then the plays around you are packing their stuff, but you realise the big impact quite quickly, and you see the news, you hear the press, and you have the press outside of the building, and you realise the impact for people outside the bank actually. do you think the financial industry is in a better place today?” think the financial industry is in a better place today? i think it is a bit better but i don't think it is great and there are still a lot of

things to improve. i think that is why i came back building a company that has more social value, trying to empower people everywhere to better manage their own money. ok, so to be a bit more specific when you say it has improved a little, where has it improved and what are the biggest areas in which it hasn't improved? i think for me it has not improved? i think for me it has not improved for the end customer, and thatis improved for the end customer, and that is what i am looking at. it is financial education, i see financial literacy is very low everywhere in europe, it is the same in the states actually, and i don't see financial education being on the agenda ten yea rs education being on the agenda ten years later. so the financial education point is one, there was a strong perception at the time and it still exist today that lots of this was down to irresponsible lending, people being reckless or even greedy, and that those lessons haven't been learned. given your place in the firmament, what's your ta ke place in the firmament, what's your take on that? so, i think that there

are three things i would say about the consequences. not least that there was a lot of reckless behaviour then, and we spent ten years paying for that as an economy and a society, but banks are better capitalised than they ever were before, so they are holding more reserves against future shocks, they are regulated more transparency so we should see more of that excessive risk—taking should it ever happen again and there are more circuit breakers. so would you say that moore has improved, not less?” think a lot has improved but emily is right, the impact that has not fed down to society at large, which are still paying for ten years worth of post—crisis behaviour. are still paying for ten years worth of post-crisis behaviour. when gordon brown says the world could well be sleepwalking towards another kind of crisis, may be provoked by slightly different things, is he overstating it or do you think the potential is there? i think the potential is there? i think the potential is there and i think we could see another financial crisis. absolutely. economies are cyclical,

financial crises are cyclical, you can do yourvery financial crises are cyclical, you can do your very best to make sure the same things don't happen again but nobody has a crystal ball for the future. if somebody says to you, and i'm sure friends and colleagues refer back to the events of ten yea rs refer back to the events of ten years ago, what is the first thing that comes to your mind when you think of that time? hole it was a shock. personally? yes, that was my first job, shock. personally? yes, that was my firstjob, so for me i think it was the hardest experience. what comes to your mind straightaway? pressure. and the way you dealt with it all that other stuff with it or that government dealt with it?” that other stuff with it or that government dealt with it? i think the way that the default resolution team, the team handling lehman bros going bust at the clearing house, dealt with it. we had to decamp to this nasty old former lloyds bank pole vault called sampson house on the south bank, it looks like a bunker. it sounds very 007. it is very much so, it was pretty grim

times. you got through it, lived to tell the tale, and great to hear your lessons. great pleasure to talk to you both. thank you so much. thanks to them for coming in. hurricane florence — one of the most powerful storms in decades — is approaching the southeast coast of the us. it has been downgraded slightly as it nears land — but experts say with massive storm surges and intense rainfall expected — there's a real danger of catastrophic flooding. 0ur correspondent richard lister has the latest. the hurricane hunters from the us air force, tracking based on that could be the biggest in a generation. the winds have eased slightly but they are still topping out at 110 mph, and florence is 54521 "5 ee-f 5335t5imfil 1. ;..2 5e "5 ee-f 5e-thfiimfil e. bigger. ;..2 5e "5 ee-f 5e-th5imfil e bigger. images 5ue 5e "5 ee-f 55512t55mt e bigger. images from 5ue 5e "5 ee-f 5555e5e5fiffit e bigger. images from space getting bigger. images from space reveal just how getting bigger. images from space revealjust how big. those clouds cover almost 180,000 miles, and have the potential to wreak widespread devastation. don't relax. don't get complacent. stay on guard. this is a

powerful storm that can kill. today, the threat becomes a reality. all residents must be off the island by hp. more than a million people have been ordered to leave home for their own safety, 10 million are affected by weather warnings. some coastal communities on the eastern seaboard are becoming ghost towns. supermarkets still open but running low on stock. petrol stations drained of fuel as people gas up and get out. they are running out of everything, no milk, no bread, nothing of the stores right now. what about gas? everybody is filling up what about gas? everybody is filling up their gas right now.” what about gas? everybody is filling up their gas right now. i have two kids, i tried to get them away, adam milne thumb anywhere near the danger of the hurricane. they are bracing for a savage assault, some communities are preparing for a possible 2a hours of hurricane force winds and more than 2a inches of rain. in the mandatory evacuation

zones, the exodus continues. some inbound lanes have been closed or reversed to help you to leave but not everyone is ready to go. oh, we don't evacuate, we stay here, we live here, we have been here all our lives. most though are gathering their most precious possessions and making their escape. the authorities insist those who stay are going to be risking their lives. we are going to be very limited to what we can do once the storm hits to be above to save somebody, so like i say, if you decide to stay, and the storm is upon us, there is nobody to call. morning on the carolina coast bought a boiling surf and a rising wind, a small taste of things to come. richard lister, bbc news. laura trevelyan is in wilmington, north carolina. just a sense of the preparations and what they are expecting. well, actually, we arejust what they are expecting. well, actually, we are just getting the first rainfall from hurricane florence now, it is about 130 miles

offshore. but yes, it is practically a ghost town, people in the evacuation zones a ghost town, people in the evacuation zones have mostly left. the town itself of wilmington is boarded up and it is impossible to get petrol, we tried to this morning but everywhere has sold out. people leaving town have taken supplies. a few hardy ones are deciding to ride out the storm. but there are three potential threats from the storm which, although it has been downgraded to a category two, it is still moving at 105 mph and there is the potential for catastrophic flooding. 0n the potential for catastrophic flooding. on top of the storm surge of four feet and hurricane force winds. it is due to just hang around where we are off the coast of the carolinas were 2a, 36 hours, pounding us with rain. we might get 36 inches of rain which would cause immense flooding. the governor of north carolina has said this is a powerful storm that can kill and now

it is here. thank you very much for the update. from wilmington, our correspondent. it is 5:33 p:m.. let's go straight to the weather. here's ben rich with the forecast. things will go downhill as the storm becomes slow moving across east coast of the usa. things considerably quieter back home but mixed fortunes. the best of the dry and bright weather was found across southern areas with late sunshine and temperatures holding up into the 20s across the south east. towards the north west, we have extra cloud and outbreaks of rain. the ceiling and a night, we will see outbreaks of rain moving across northern ireland, scotland and trickling into parts of northern england. further south, and the largely clear night but with a bit more breeze, snide, it won't get quite as chilly, eight or 9 degrees for most places. into tomorrow, once

again southern and south—eastern areas with the best of the sunshine, cloud and rain across northern ireland, southern scotland, into northern england. and down into wales and the south—west by the end of the day, 90 degrees in the south—west and 12 across north west scotland. further ahead, the weekend sees one developing across the south, 22, 20 three degrees. further north and west, wet and breezy weather at at times. it is 5:35 p:m.. all the sport now. sport now, with holly hamilton. good afternoon. we start with cricket and after a 16—year wait, surrey are county champions once again. a three—wicket win at worcestershire today gave them an unassailable lead of 61 points. the celebrations could begin when they went past a victory target of 271. fittingly, it was one of their outstanding players of the season, the south african bowler morne morkel, who struck the winning runs with another key player, rikki clarke with him in the middle. surrey were last champions in 2002.

we arejust we are just absolutely delighted. it is the one that everyone wants to win and to go ahead and do it, we arejust win and to go ahead and do it, we are just absolutely delighted. little bit more nerve—racking night you would have wanted today when you are six down, seven down? definitely, when you are having to watch, i could have been there at the end when it would have made it slightly easier. i was watching my phone most of the time and is trying to drink copy and distress. but it was nice. britain's simon yates has maintained his 25—second overall lead at the vuelta a espana. the flat stage 18 was won by the belgian's jelle vallays. yates safely marked his nearest challenger alejandro valverde, and now only two stages remain ahead of sunday's processional finish in madrid. former formula 1 world champion kimi raikonnen has spoken abuot his departure from ferrari next month — in a rather awkward press conference. he's being replaced at the italian team by charles leclerc, a driver nearly half his age! speaking ahead of this weekend's

singapore grand prix, raikkonen said "why not?" when asked why he'd agreed to re—join former team, sauber. the women's british open winner georgia hall has made a strong start to the final major of the summer. at the evian championship in southern france. hall is cuurently 3 under after 16 holes — three shots off the lead. spain's ca rlota ciganda and maria torres of puerto rico, lead the way on 6 under par after their opening rounds. chris mitchell will have more for you in sportsday at half past six. goodbye for now. thanks very much, we will see you later. it is 5:37 p:m.. research carried out by the bbc with the university of nottingham has shown the number of school—age young carers in england is much higher than previously suggested. the report shows one in five young people aged between 11 and 16 consider themselves to be a young carer — that is, they have someone

with an illness or disability living at home and they help to look after them. our special correspondent, ed thomas, has been to meet three of those children, whose families depend on them for everyday living. nobody knows how many times he's saved me. young, dedicated and loyal. in all this chaos, he's a really calm, considerate child. like a mini adult. the children who put theirfamilies first. i'll be out playing with a friend, she's at home caring for me, which is unfair. you're not really that normal kid no more, you're just that young carer. katie's 11 and looks after her mum. cut my body in half, half of it would feel like an adult, half of it would feel like a child. do you mind getting my lunchtime medicines? charlotte nearly died from sepsis. it devastated their lives. thank you. she lost her fingers and her feet. carers do help out four times a day,

but everything else is katie. she's helped me in the shop. thank you. fetched the carrying in... see you. i feel like i've taken her childhood away, or it'sjust that sepsis has ta ken her childhood away. and this responsibility is exhausting. tagliatelle down there. what is she to you? my world. my baby girl. your mum! i'm your mum right now. for many young carers, there's constant worry. i've had someone say, you and your mum are silly cows. and, like, loads of effing and jeffing. i've heard her crying in her room and she's asking, why us? how has this affected her schooling?

she's fallen behind quite a lot. how much? about two years. she's learned to be more open. high—five! she knows she can talk to mum and that everything's going to be ok. and i'll bring you your coat. i don't really have a choice to not do stuff really, i have to do it. what does your mum mean to you? the world. i'm stuck! she deserves a medal, she really does. these young people have stresses and strains far beyond their years. we know they're then less likely to go into higher education because of their caring roles, they're less likely to be able to get a steady and secure job, and they're much more likely to have mental health issues. he is six years old and he can talk a little bit. eliza is seven and she enjoys playing with toys. but they are different. because they have autism. and it's safa who

understands their needs. 0nly nine, she's been caring for her siblings... say safa. safa. all her life. just because somebody is nine, it doesn't mean that they can't do it. we need safa. safa is like a cement to our family. i got eliza a jumper. 0k. she needed one. what are the things you always check? make sure they're happy, mainly. make sure that they're not hungry. and if they make a mess, i clean it up. with autistic siblings and safa's dad working nights, it's nonstop. i get that psychological lift with her. like many young carers, the emotional support matters. do you know that, safa? yeah. that mummy really, really needs you in my life, don't i, safa? mm—hmm. what do you say to me, safa, when i'm sad? it's ok, i'll help you.

we ignore these children at our peril and at the peril of these children's future. they are largely invisible. they are under the radar. and many of them need to be seen because if we can see them, then we can hopefully support them. had have to change me and wash me. had to change me and wash me. look after his brother and sister, as well as all the housework. a day injamil‘s life. i'm going back to school now. get my bag. i'm going to the shop. i'm taking the card. and when i get back home, i'm going to cook for my mum... shouldn't give you such a big plate, should i? and my brother and sister, and help my mum a bit. my legs ache! 13, and jamil feels responsible for his family. he tucks me in bed. he sometimes makes food he kisses me. he gives me more hugs. don't fall backwards! i've just been diagnosed

with a mental illness, chronic back pain, and that won't get any better now. anxiety. just tells me to stop saying sorry, and that's all he says, stop saying sorry, mum, it's fine. there are tens of thousands of young carersjust like jamil, providing the highest levels of care. luckily, for me, i've got my grandad who is always there for me. if i ever need a break on the weekend, i can, i can always just go to his house and have my own time. but it's the homework that i struggle with. it makes me feel sad because now i've got so much homework building up, building up, building up, and i can't do really anything about it. come on, mum, breathe... always there for his mum. some days, i want out. i know my mum needs me to bits and, without me,

she wouldn't be here right now. night! night—night! you know i'd be lost without you. yeah. you're my best friend, you know. do you know that? yeah. javed khan is the chief executive of barnardo's and is here with me now. that was very difficult. yes, we see it everyday and we support thousands of young carers. and it is a wrench to your heart when you see what they are doing, but these young people and they can be as young as five, they tell us how proud they are because they are looking after a loved one. the problem is that if they don't get the right support, they don't get the right support, the kind of support we try and provide, to help recapture their childhood, they're all kinds of indications for what is going to happen in the life. their education suffers, as you heard. 0ne happen in the life. their education suffers, as you heard. one of the boys was talking about his homework is building up. they get bullied at

school, there is a stigma attached. they are twice as likely to not get qualifications when leave school and not get an education and employment ortraining. not get an education and employment or training. they are much more likely to suffer from anxiety and mental health issues. so as a society, we have got to wake up that these children hidden the system. when we see those examples, what more could be done to support them? if we are already in a position as you rightly say where two of them went straight for the education thing, they went straight there to talk about being two years behind, them about knowledge that as well, or being massively behind on homework. what is the kind of support that should be going in that is not? there is a lot of things we can do and that barnardo's, we run over 20 services across the uk, 3,500 young carers was aborted last year. when we come into contact with the young carer, we meet with the young person and the family —— they we re young person and the family —— they were supported. project work as developers plan which works out the details of what the child going

through and that involves one—to—one support, therapeutic support, it involves working with school and making the school where because teachers are often not aware and they demand the homework on time and they demand the homework on time and they wonder why the child is tired and not paying attention. i am a former teacher myself and i remember the pressures we used to put on kids. it is important everybody who comes into contact with the young person what is going on in their private lives. then we provide other support. giving them a break and trying to re—engage with their childhood. so providing services with them when they can leave their home and have a respite break. to meet other young carers so they know it is not just meet other young carers so they know it is notjust them. to build up a peer support network, it could be the local youth club and taking them on awaydays. giving them a bit of comfort. and a lot of young people get a lot out of that. it gives them a break and re—engage with their childhood and the meat people and develop social networks and the pa rents a re develop social networks and the parents are happy as well. what is

the trigger point traditionally. a child would want to help their parent, that is a natural thing to do. but where is the line here and you think, this is too much, where'd you think, this is too much, where'd you draw the line where it is putting much pressure on the child. is it too do with it education, how'd you assess that? it is important we understand what the child is going through, they want to help, this is their loved person so it is not a burden. it is not a chore and they want to do it. it is important we help the child anderson and. but there are other people that can help and they should not be left alone supporting it. the route triggers when the rest of their life suffers. when the mental health suffers. when the mental health suffers. and the symptoms need to be spotted by every adult that comes into co nta ct spotted by every adult that comes into contact with them and they need to be signposted to support like

barnardo's. i mentioned the statistics based on this latest research. is this the day or —— is this more acute problem than it was five years ago? our work the numbers are growing in our services for example. there are 800,000 young ca re rs example. there are 800,000 young carers just example. there are 800,000 young carersjust in example. there are 800,000 young carers just in england example. there are 800,000 young carersjust in england at example. there are 800,000 young carers just in england at the moment. and i would not be surprised if that is an under estimate because there is a lot of underreporting. children do to know because the potential stigma. some of them live infear potential stigma. some of them live in fear that if they tell anybody they might be separated from their pa rent they might be separated from their parent or the person they are looking after. and they would rather struggle through. but if we don't do something as a society and there is a job for government and local governor and charities like us to try and put in place the support that will recapture the childhood for that child so they can grow and be happy and adults that will be able to look after themselves. final thought on resources and how it is

done. you have mentioned a bit about your role and the voluntary sector is hugely important, barnardo's has been a very good part of that. but the local authorities have a role. is that burden a fair one. due think the state is not shouldering their share and that is too much of a burden on organisations like yours or is the balance quite right. barnardo's does not consider it a burden, this is ourjob, we have been around 152 years doing this kind of work but the state has a responsibility. it is a wake—up call. anybody who watches that video, if they are not shaken by it, i don't know what will shake them. there is a real need for everybody to work together. central government, local governor and charities like us to respond to this great need. children are crying out for this help whether they know it or not and if we don't put it in place, when these children grow up and they are not on the education ladder and in employment and they have suffered from mental health, it will cost a lot more. it is good to

talk to you, thank you for adding your expertise to report. many thanks indeed. the chief executive of barnardo's, many thanks. the boyfriend of andreea cristea — who was killed in last year's westminster bridge terror attack — has described how he frantically searched for his girlfriend after she was knocked into the river thames by the attacker khalid masood's car. she died from her injuries two weeks later. andrei burnaz was speaking at the inquest in to the attack which is taking place at the old bailey. helena lee is there for us. yes, more harrowing evidence today. we heard from witnesses who saw what happened to andreea cristea and the aftermath. the confusion, the chaos and the carnage is one witness put it. herfamily and the carnage is one witness put it. her family were and the carnage is one witness put it. herfamily were not in court today, there were watching proceedings via video link from romania, which is where andreea was from, but her boyfriend came to court today is to suggest —— to tell

the court about the moments before the court about the moments before the attack. andrei burnaz came to court this morning to tell the hearing how he frantically search for his girlfriend after they were hit by the car of khalid masood. the couple had been on holiday in london doing what tourists do. they were on westminster bridge enjoying the sights. andreea cristea busy taking photographs like this one of westminster. it turned out to be the last picture she took. in court, andrei burnaz was asked about the seconds before they were hit. he said... he told the hearing he frantically searched for his girlfriend but could not find her. he only found her phone and glasses, in a pool of blood. andreea had been flung into the thames. she died from her

injuries, two weeks after the attack. we also heard evidence from attack. we also heard evidence from a man called michael brown who had been driving his ban all on westminster bridge at the time of the attack. he told the attack he saw andreea cristea being thrown around ten feet into the air before falling straight down into the river thames. he then said he called 999. you try to look for her in the river. at first, he could not see her and then he spotted her body floating in the river. and at the end of his evidence, the barrister said to him that they wanted to thank him for his efforts to try and help her. at that point, mr brown, in the witness box, broke down in tea rs. in the witness box, broke down in tears. the hearing he continues tomorrow. many thanks for the latest on the investigation at the old bailey. it is 5:52 p:m.. profits atjohn lewis have fallen

dramatically, the group made a profit in the six months tojuly of £1.2 million, a fall of 99%. the chairman said the retail sector had seen a period of intense competition in the high street. more details from our business correspondence. john lewis likes to make a big noise about being different to the high street stores. but today's figures make it clear it is under the same commercial pressures as its main rivals on the high street. in the first six months of the year, john lewis, which also includes waitrose, racked up sales worth nearly £5.5 billion. but it only made a profit of1.2 billion. but it only made a profit of 1.2 million. that is down 99% compared to the same period last year. the chairman says competition is making life tough. there is too

much retail space, that is what we're seeing, there is more retail spaceis we're seeing, there is more retail space is demand for us as consumers and creates a really tough competitive environment. retailers are not passing on price increases, they are having to absorb them. john lewis says its problems start further down the high street were other retailers have been discounting aggressively. it has a price much promise and if they cut prices, it has two as well and john lewis says that has been cutting its profits heavily. the company says it has no plans end that policy and it is not cutting back on investment either. it has been rebranding its stores, focusing on customer service with a team of personal stylists, and launched its own label. but will it work? i think the strategy of john lewis is very pragmatic for what is happening in retail. they have to have unique product so they don't have to price match and they are developing some very good fashion ranges across the whole piece as well. so i think this will set them up very well in the future.

there is no question department stores have been struggling. house of fraser was bought by sports direct last month after falling into is ministration and debenhamsjust this week rushed out trading figures after claims it was also in financial trouble. john lewis insists it can prosper by being different and avoid becoming another casualties of the british high street. it is 7:55 p:m.. bbc news at six is coming up with the latest news. i will be back in ten minutes. and we are back with ben for the weather. it isa it is a mixed story in the uk but nothing too dramatic. first of all, this is the latest from the usa and the latest satellite image of hurricane florence, the storm was weakening a short time ago, category

two but with winds of 105 mph. but don't take news of that and think it will not cause problems. as the storm becomes slow—moving, it is going to bring huge amounts of rain, with flooding and storm surge inundating the coast. back home, as i hinted, it is quieter with rain at at times through the next days and dry and break towards the south east. you will see that the satellite picture. towards the north west, we have had more cloud and outbreaks are patchy and cheyrou rain which will continue into the evening. these other temperatures. 14 evening. these other temperatures. 1a in glasgow, and this evening and night, we see these areas of cloud feeding and across the northern half of the uk. some outbreaks of rain. towards the south, we keep hold of clear spells with more of a breeze than last night and it will not get quite as chilly. temperatures in many spots holding up at 8 degrees, 19 greece. tomorrow, rain across northern ireland and the western side of scotland which works across

northern england into parts of wales and perhaps showers into the south—west later. further east, it is largely dry with sunny spells where we have the highest temperatures. 19 or 20 degrees. sunshine and showers in the north west but here, it is a decidedly cool 12 degrees. the way. what about the weekend? i pressure to start with so saturday is not about looking day for many. there are frontal systems up to the north west. the cloud will thicken across parts of northern ireland and western scotland as we go on through saturday. some outbreaks of rain here and more of a breeze as well. temperatures ranging from 15, to 21 degrees. across the south—eastern corner, temperatures beginning to creep up. into sunday, rain pushing from the north west towards the south east and fizzling as they go, so not much rain across the south—eastern corner. it is fine and dry with sunny spells as temperatures up to 22 degrees, lagging behind that in the north and

west. we keep split fortunes into next week with wet and windy weather at at times. most likely across northern and western areas. but further south, particularly,. to warm up. the two russians named as suspects in the salisbury nerve agent attack appear on state tv to say that they were just tourists. the men say they work in fitness, not military intelligence — and weren't involved in the poisoning of a former russian spy and his daughter. translation: ourfriends had been suggesting for a long time that we visit this wonderful town. salisbury, a wonderful town? there's the famous salisbury cathedral, famous not only in europe, but in the whole world. i don't think any of their interview is plausible. i've watched it a couple of times now, and i think if i was their defence lawyer, my advice to them would be, "keep quiet". the government's accused russia of responding with "obfuscation and lies". also tonight... mobiles, travel and driving abroad — there could be big changes for the british if there's no deal

on brexit, says the government. the boyfriend of the romanian tourist who died after being knocked into the thames during the westminster terror attack