tv Brexitcast Takeover BBC News September 21, 2018 8:30pm-9:00pm BST
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kind of day today. the storm itself working its way toward scandinavia, but casting an eye on this ribbon of cloud out to the atlantic, looking at this next pulse bringing some outbreaks of rain. before we get there, showers continue to push in overnight with more general rain at times in the far north. it will be quite a chilly night, temperatures down into single digits, perhaps double figures for london. for saturday morning, it will be a cool start to the day. some sunny spells, showers will continue to feed in on these brisk winds, quite windy conditions for northern scotland, later in the day cloud thickens and we will start to see some rain arriving across parts of wales and england before spreading into central southern england, maybe in the southeast towards the end of the day. and it could be more rain on the way on sunday in the south as well. the uk,
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hello this is bbc news: the headlines: theresa may has called on the eu to treat britain with respect, after it rejected her brexit strategy as unworkable. no one wants a good deal more than me but the eu should be clear, i will not overturn the result of the referendum, nor will i break up my country. we need serious engagement on resolving the two big problems in the negotiations. two major pharmaceutical companies lose a legal bid to prevent the nhs prescribing a cancer drug to treat a debilitating eye condition. the drug, avastin, could save the nhs £500 million a year. more than 130 people have died after a ferry carrying hundreds capsized on lake victoria in tanzania, many are still missing. bbc research has revealed councils across the uk have nearly a0 different sets of rules for recycling plastic. before mrs may's statement,
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the bbc‘s brexitcast podcast team took over politics live for a special edition of the programme, featuring an interview with the brexit secretary dominic raab. earlier this afternoon, theresa may said the eu should offer counterproposals on to deadlock issues namely trade, and the irish border. she said the other eu leaders are making what she called a fundamental mistake if they believe she would agree to anything undermine the referendum or divided northern ireland from the rest of the united kingdom. but before theresa may's statement, as the bbc brexicast podcast team took cover politics live for a special edition of the programme featuring an interview with the brexit secretary dominic rob. hello and welcome to a brexicast takeover of politics live on the bbc news channel. welcome to brexicast.
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you were the first serving cabinet minister we have had on the podcast. thank you very much, but not the first politician we have grabbed a few others before, this is kind of what you're in for. are you going to be celebrating mr barnier? crack open the champagne? do why have you down as a podcast aficionado?
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not particularly. no. so if all goes well you will be added to that montage. does michelle barnier still call you dominique? or have you corrected him? i didn't pick that up before. oh really, 0k? not really. he goes dominique said... fine, 0k, right. there is a massive... there is a massive elephant in the room. i was focused on other things i'm
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sorry. it's what's happened in salzburg in the last 2a, 48 hours. some of the papers are calling it a drive—by, a humiliation, a showdown, how would you describe it? i'm not sure what language is but henry has described it as an ambush which i certainly think you got a prime minister that has gone up there with a detailed set of proposals and one of the key aspects and it's true as said there's been a of progress in other areas. we have been rebuffed on our plans without any coherent explanation as to why. is the sort of rather dogmatic keys to the single market unity, but our plan was very carefully crafted around that and that has really credible alternatives in its place. so we're not going to get into all the drama, i agree with michelle barnier we be dramatized the process, we will stay calm and keep negotiating good faith but if you like, we have revved up the motor of these negotiations. i've been out there a lot more frequently to get motoring and to make progress and the eu have yet
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to the handbrake and for the negotiations to go forward, they would have to take their hand off the handbrake and that's very clear. have they yanked up the handbrake because they're mistaken about what in the plan or in bad faith or a tactically? why? don't impute bad intentions to the other side, but i don't buy the way i agree with, henry thinks some of the way that it was done social media, against the prime minister didn't feel to me like very statesman—like behaviour. and i certainly think that in some quarters there are misunderstandings about our proposals butjust take one example of the economic partnership, the suggestion that you can sign up to the rule book on goods without services, actually that's the approach that the eu takes with ukraine. in all of these areas we have been very careful to try and do something good for the uk and the eu. but to be rebuffed on both aspects, without a coherent explanation or credible alternatives, at some point the light will shine back on the eu and questions about whether it did
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handled this well because we need to make progress and will continue to engage in the negotiations and equally at the same time will continue quietly with the preparations for no deal is in negotiations don't work out. michelle bonnier has several weeks he has got of the economic check, he said the security stuff was good and the clarification on financial services is good, he's been very clear about what his problems with the custom stuff and the single market and the free trade area in qatar. donald tusk dropped a massive hand he felt the same way on the first day, he arrived in salzburg, did this, as a surprise to you what donald tusk said yesterday. well i don't think it came as a surprise that there have been questions about how it would work, whether it's the division between the rule book on goods and services or the facilitated customs arrangement, but we've answered lots of those questions will thought we have gone through the detail of it, we have talked notjust with michelle barney eight which obviously the association truck goes through but also in capitals. we've answered those questions. and i think, the answers coming back felt like dogmatic computer says no type answers at a dramatic level. at the same time does
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not really a credible alternative on the table. from the eu. and we did not get one or hear anything more about that yesterday. and i think if you add that in the negotiations and the substance of it the way she was treated, i think we will continue, she's a very stoic, resilient character because statesmanship, leadership, will continue to negotiate in good faith. equally, i think this a bit? and whether the eu is really serious about the substance of these negotiations. so you're saying the eu 27 person directly humiliate that the prime minister as a person? i didn't use the word humiliating that with you but i'd explain that i think the way it was handled it did not feel like the extension reciprocation of the statement that approach that she has taken we've extended the arm of friendship, you look at the checkers model as a whole, we have been told with this third—party we have been offered not just an ambitious set of proposals that any third party has or likely would in the future, i think we have reached out with the arm of friendship, i'm not sure anyone
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could realistically look at what happened yesterday and said that the eu had reciprocated. when you are planning for the salzburg summit when you were talking to theresa may about what might happen, did you war game a scenario where it ended like this? and naturally war game scenarios but we talked all the different permutations and the way the advisers what and there was a pretty good feeling going into it. i made a more frequent visit out to brussels, we narrowed down the outstanding issues on the withdrawal agreement but the two big issues were the economic partnership on the question of northern ireland. we went out with our proposal saying let's look at the substance of it. let's get down to brass tacks, that's not have any of the drama and it felt like it was set up as a dramatic rebuffed. now, frankly i think it was wrong to minister to do that with because she's pre—resolute and we're pre—resolute and will continue to negotiate in good faith. but we need to understand exactly what are the real reasons you don't like checkers because we have gone a significant amount in the direction of the eu.
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what are the real reasons you don't want this? there is a feeling that actually the eu always does this, it hangs tough against destination and it tries to drag you into deep waters in the 11th hour, we are not the kind of country. we're actually that contributed to the eu, we bring a lot to the table and we tried to build a future partnership in a really positive way. but they've got to meet us halfway. now you know this is a big budget production so we have got lara kinsburg live at stantaed airport where she landed, quite a hairy landing actually, lara, what do you want to ask the brexit secretary? will if he can hear me from the wind, no ijust want to pick up on one of the things you are saying, you say you want to hear the coherent reasons from the eu about why they don't like your plan, let me, they have been saying forever that they will not tolerate an attempt from the uk to divide up the single market, they have said that time and time again. what your critics might say is basically the uk has been sticking its fingers in its ears, it's clear from the moment checkers
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was published that large parts of the eu would just not going to like proposals. so it's like i said earlier, actually if you look at this your quite right, the eu has said we will not allow anything to be done to divide up the single market, that's not really a particularly detailed explanation. which is exactly what your proposals do. sorry, with respect answer the question. so actually what we have looked at is the way the single market operates. we have looked at the eu's arrangements other countries, for example ukraine where there is a distinction between goods and services as there are four countries along the way and we said we looked at it from your point of view, and this is why we have done it this way. do you have any other third countries that are actually coming to you for free trade talks and offering to sign up very controversial at home to the rule book on goods, they don't. so, it was a big step in ourdirection and of course there's the cup half—full cup half empty argument, but what i
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don't see coming back from the eu is a clear understanding of why they think it was ok for the ukraine, weekend can't explore a similar model for the uk and you would have thought given the size of our economy gamut of trade down or secondly, what the credible alternative is because the eu offer it is effectively if you look at sitoe plus and then the customs backstopped with the northern ireland that they are proposing is to leave us in some indefinite customs union type arrangement which clearly is unacceptable and is clearly not what the uk voted for and not what conservatives in this government was enacted the last general election. so from laura at the airport, let's go to the roof of the hotels in austria with a nice cake and a question. secretary of state, so the eu is basically telling me that they had been planning to come to the summit with warm words for the prime minister personally, and positive words on the part of her checkers plan that they did agree with which they actually did good point —— but ford also during the summit. but they felt that their precursor to that michelle bonnier the chief associate are saying they wanted to improve the backstopped proposal and was rebuffed on compromising me by the
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prime minister and she then wrote an on compromising op ed in the german newspaper the morning of the summit, they felt she was then very on, my think i'm in the speech he gave over dinner and also asking for ministers and presidents of europe to think about how domestic political situations and they say they have got their own to think of as well. and so they put the point to me that if she was so on compromising, her stance it made them have to be on optimising in there as well otherwise it would have seemed at the summit as if they were about to compromise their brexit principles which is not what they were about to do. so it was kind of a hard corner and a hard corner rather than any attempt to humiliate the prime minister or puts her in a difficult political situation. well there's two points i've made, the first is a we talk about the eu as one sort of continuous
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whole but there's the member states in the commission and different factions of the commission, so it's clear among some of eu member states is a feeling that something went wrong on that site on the summit. but the second point you made to suspend the point that michelle bonnier had delivered some substantial compromise on the backstopped with his talk of a technological solution. we ought to be very clear about this because it was not a compromise at all. what he did was take the technical aspects of our proposal, the dealing with and avoiding friction at the northern ireland republic of ireland border and he said why do we put that on the northern ireland side. and to be honest with you, there was not really much more to it than that. and the noises that are being made when you walk around the commission and you hear some of the noise about northern ireland being the price the uk will pay in order to leave the eu, that's just
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not going to happen. not to this prime minister, not with this parliament it's fair to say and not this country. with respect secretary of state, what eu countries object to is the prime minister trying to divide off eu member countries want from each other or trying to divide them from the european commission with matt and that is why president macrina for example said he came back so strongly yesterday at the summit and said no, we are united and also anyone who suggests there's an easy solution to brexit, is a liar. i mean i think that on the eu side, there was a lot of frustration and facts were really put a band they sayjust as the prime minister has her domestic situation, they are worried about their bigger political landscape, the parliamentary elections for the european parliament that will follow at brexit date where there are a lot of eurosceptics at bay and populists, they do not want to compromise on their single market and the rules and regulations ahead of that. so they say that also has to be borne in mind the general context and that's why they think is a certain amount of talking past one another. how'd you get past that's?
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first of all, the language lies instagram, that twitter is not in my view and i will not engage in that kind of thing. equally we know that whatever president macron‘s view there are widely differing views around what happened. so, we will proceed to negotiate in good faith and i think the uk is going to stick to the cause that we have set which is to find a deal, i negotiate a deal which addresses three key issues. first of all frictionless trade at the border and northern ireland but also gives effect to our commitment to be the customs union. of course if we are not met halfway, it naturally we have the stonewalling tactics, no serious substantive movement on the eu side, and frankly what look like and i think you conceded an attempt at the last minute to try and trip of the prime minister or whether it's an ambition whatever the language is. i don't think that's going to move a country
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like the united kingdom or great britain, northern ireland equally, think we keep our cool through twists and turns in the brexit story and will keep resolved and resolute and negotiating under the same time we pick up our preparation in not in angerfor then no deal scenario, it's not what we want, is not what i think we'll get, i am still confident we'll get a deal but we will need be ready for that. from emmanuel macron has not appeared yet what he did do the show with you a few months ago and he said clearly that you could have something between that single market and the free trade agreement. uk government has put one of those proposals forward in the form of checkers, i don't think it's perfect, i think they need to go away and work out how to change that. but there was a serious question made in good faith, what does the eu want here is a very important question to answer and it's incumbent on them to come up with some solutions. you're an expert in all these documents and the skills that have been done in the past, what does he have to do to
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make his plan palatable to the other 27? i actually think it starts with style. the style that was showing, my contact in brussels say they've made a good first impression but when they read the uk press and they see different things said by different government ministers, they see an attempt to divide european member states and a much more positive style, stopping the attempt would go down very well to start with and then saying about checkers i think exactly what henryjust said, ok, we can see that these specific mechanisms may not be right, ok let's talk about the specifics mechanisms and we have time to do that. that's the other thing. a lot of talk in the uk debate of all we canjust have this agreement and that agreement now, these agreements take years to put into place. if we show a bit more realism to the eu, i think will be met halfway, i think this is a bit of cry of anger and they're actually do what you just said and also persuade your colleagues to also turn down the volume a little bit. can ijust picked up on the divide and rule
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point because i've heard number of times before. first of all, micele barnier and i have no objections to this, quite rightly engaged with other stakeholders the uk, and never complained about that, of course the eu member states as other bits of the commission, and talk to us. that has never made we don't conduct negotiations through the barnier team, i want to respect that but of course it's an ordinary course of diplomacy that you have bilateral contact as well. this is divide and rule, frankly smacks of a bit of insecurity on the eu side that are not one continuous hole and there are different interests as you know. laura, before she goes, she has got one more question for you from the airport. it was a joke! i've got two very simple questions for you secretary of state and then some good news for you. very simply no one to answer this
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but whose fault was it that yesterday broke down, the eu or the uk's? eu's. i would say that would not? yes but it's interesting because there's a lot of questions about whether people should play the blame game, this is the important point, the you accept that uk government is going to have to budge, you're going to have to come —compromise further? we've already compromise hugely with the checkers proposals, we've engaged and we want to know more about what the real critique of it is. and we have got no other credible alternatives on the table. what we will not do is be salami sliced during this negotiation in a typical style that the eu engages in without movement on the other side. that much is very clear. so no more compromise? is that your message? compromise? that's not quite what i said, i chose my own words carefully. and i look forward to a bottle of gin when you're back in london.
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what's the good news? here's the good news. the good news for theresa may and dominic raab this morning is had there been i'm told affair win for the checkers proposal to the eu leaders and therefore checkers would have moved on to the next date and look like a realistic proposalfor the final deal, i'm told there was a plan for another cabinet resignation this weekend protest at the proposals keeping us to closely tied to the eu. of course all kinds of scurrilous things around westminster all the time but as i understand it, that particular plot had been sketched it to take place this weekend at the checkers proposal have been rolling forward. of course now the eu is delivering its own kick into the prime minister's proposals for now, that resignation threat as i understand it is off the table. of course, the stage we're at right now, nobody will ever confirm of this on or off the record, but i understand that was brewing which of course would have been another huge headache for the prime minister is she had lost one more of her ministers over this.
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with the greatest respect, not sure it's quite good news i was promised. but i'm assuming you're not in a position to name the individual which case it's all rather the usual. even though i know your sources are impeccable. thank you. we over selling good news. that seems to be the accusation. did i spot a faint whiff of fudge you are suggesting there are a few minutes ago that if the eu moves of a bit then maybe the uk, but move a little bit and we know that fudge is the favourite confectionery of brussels when it really gets down to, you are willing to budge a little bit if they show a bit to move? what i said was i'm not going to start laying down redlines or
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things like that, the uk's position on free movement is well known, what i'm saying is you can't expect the uk to move when we set out all of our proposals, we have had for the dogmatic criticism is coming back the other way, there's no serious credible alternatives on the table but will continue to do what is right to say is negotiate in good faith, of the drama but the thing people need to understand this prime minister, this government and this country is resolute its path and while we're not to engage in any drama we will stay calm. for me it's going fine. the result of this country is going to show in terms of delivering brexit i don't think should be questioned. i know there will be lots of noises in the media and in the party and anonymous people tipping off well—placed journalists but we will stay the course and i'm confident we'll get there. one of the interesting things the prime minister said yesterday amongst all this drama is going to be new proposal on the northern irish backstop, the uk
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alternative to the eu. tell us about them. as the prime minister said he will set out our proposals on the set, but one thing we will do is respond to what the eu has said and in particular that technological approach and we are absolutely clear there will be no customs border but what we do want to try and do is resolve that in a sensible way but you have to come up with a deliverable solution that works the communities in northern ireland and in the republic. there will be temporary customs arrangements for the new thing about regulations. all the details will be set out what it set up. before or after the tory conference? nice try. laughter . i have got my binder with the agreement in it, have you got a version of this? i'm not sure what that is, yes i seen this of course.
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a huge amount we have got down, over the summer except on brexit, on the separation issues, on the security arrangements for the future we have made solid progress. but it's also right to say this is a bump in the road, two key issues of the economic partnership in northern ireland which we still have to resolve. i want to ask you what's happening with this governance bit, this white bit. we have no time. what will you do for lunch? we had good discussions on the government arrangements, i'm confident on that area once you have the rest of the substance in place he will get there. that's it from this brexicast special on the bbc channel, news thank you for watching. it's been a turbulent spell of
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weather with all the storms following pretty quickly behind we had lots of strong winds, trees down, branches down and rain as well, there was a quiet kind of date in the wake of the storm we had some sunshine and showers him a cooler air flowing down from the northwest, the centre of the storm is crossing scandinavia but you can see the clouds snaking across the atlantic, to this here which is another area of low pressure. that will be threatening outbreaks of rain across the south of the country this weekend. before we get there we will see showers across the north and west, they will be quite frequent lasting even more after midnight on the coast and hills, some of them heavy as well. and the wings will
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stay pretty blustery throughout the night as well. but despite that, we have got cool your working in, temperatures will be down to single figures across the northern half of the country. 10 degrees or so the mill for cardiff and for london with some clear spells and very breezy conditions. this week and we have got a picture of sunshine and showers him across the north of the uk but first, the prospects of some rain. so, saturday for many of us actually not a bad start the day. somewhat chilly, a bit of sunshine but then it tends the ground over and outbreaks of red bull work in support of wealth, southwest england, before spreading along the south coast of england, perhaps printing this southeast later in the day. farther north, blustery winds for scotland, still bringing a number of showers in here, the northern and western areas where ever you are it will feel quite cool ever you are it will feel quite cool, temperatures 13 or 1a degrees. now on into sunday's forecast, we have got a little dip in the jet stream, that will develop an area of low pressure but still it bit a uncertainty about how strong the area of low pressure will get. and
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therefore call for —— how far north. that's a stream northern as it could get, you might find you get away with dry weather on sunday but we can't be sure 100%. further south, it looks like the rain will come in across southern england and southern parts of wales, as the weather system parts of wales, as the weather syste m m oves parts of wales, as the weather system moves through, it will start to get really windy with the prospect of some guilt about being and quite squally costs kind of wins as well, could bring down country branches. once he covered rid of that system, sunday is still a bit uncertain, actually the certainty it and the confidence in the forecast growth next week because i pressure is moving in, and that means for most of us, the weather will become dry with sunshine and be quite chilly in the morning, temperatures go into the mid to high teens as we go into the mid to high teens as we go on through the afternoon but there's the threat of breezy weather in the weeks ahead, across the southwest where there will be a little bit of rain in the northwest of scotland. that you weather. this is bbc world news today.
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