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hello, it's tuesday, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme "abused", "shamed by my own community", "ignored". more people in the uk identify as bisexual than gay or lesbian, and many tell us, excusively, they've experienced prejudice from within the lgbt community. one of those is katie salmon, the love island contestant, who speaks for the very first time about being shunned by some gay people after she had a bi relationship on the show. i felt like they all completely doubted me and were, like, criticising me and kind ofjust treating it like it was nothing. "0h, she's just doing it for another reason, that's not really who she is." like doing it for publicity or something? 100%, yeah. if you've experienced prejudice or abuse because you're bisexual, let us know. labour will vote against theresa may's brexit deal. but will the labour leadership back another referendum which would voters the option to remain in the european union? we've spoken to some labour members and they are confused. if there were a people's vote, which way would you campaign and how would you win it?
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if we are going to win back those millions of people that we need to to labour in these areas, not only in the east midlands but throughout the country, how are we going to win them back if we tell people that we're going to have a second referendum? we'll be putting those questions to labour's brexit team just after 9:30am. and ellie soutter was a promising young british snowboarder, just 18, with her whole life ahead of her. crossing the line, i was so emotional, because i wanted to come here and get a medal and i crossed the line and realise i got the medal and it was an amazing feeling. but — tragically — ellie soutter took her own life injuly. her dad tony says the pressure of the sport contributed to her death. we'll talk to him after 9:30am. hello.
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welcome to the programme. we're live until iiam. today we're going to hear from people who are bisexual who say they've been subject to offensive comments and stereotyping from gay people. what's your experience of being bi in britain in 2018? do let us know today — use #victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you, and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today: senior ministers have given their backing in principle to a sweeping overhaul of the uk's immigration system after brexit, which would see migrants from the european union treated the same as those from the rest of the world. a report by the government's migration advisors last week recommended that skills be prioritised over nationality. the cabinet, meeting yesterday, agreed. it's understood the chancellor, phillip hammond, argued for a more delayed approach, and any future deal with brussels
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could offer eu migrants a special status after the uk leaves. the home office is preparing more detailed plans to be set out in a white paper later this year. labour's divisions over brexit could be further exposed today as members vote on whether to leave open the possibility of campaigning for another referendum. meanwhile the shadow brexit secretary, sir keir starmer, will use his speech at the party's conference to confirm that labour is preparing to vote down any deal the government manages to secure with the european union. our political correspondent chris mason reports. there are bags of enthusiasm forjeremy corbyn here, but rather less for leaving the european union. printed on the leaflets, emblazoned on the t—shirts, and written in the pamphlets.
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the message is clear. we really need labour to stay in and support britain staying in the european union so that we can have a socialism for europe and not just for britain. i also think that we have to stop brexit because brexit is not a solution to the problems that people face. do you really believe you can stop brexit, because it is due to happen in six months? crazier things have happened. just like the conservatives, this is a party conflicted by brexit. plenty of its members hate it. plenty of its supporters voted for it. that is why labour is tying itself in dirty great big knots about it. yesterday, seniorfigures here contradicted each other, even themselves, about whether another referendum should include the option to remain. labourfor leave might be a marginal voice within the party but there are those here whose view is strikingly different to those handing out flyers outside.
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it is time we stop thinking the whole world is dependent and relies on the european union, and we can do it, but labour needs to keep the faith with the british people who voted to leave. this morning, this man, the shadow brexit secretary sir keir starmer, will say in all likelihood labour will oppose any brexit deal ministers secure. but that will not stop the rows. brexit is casting a long, long shadow. iain watson, political correspondent is at the labour conference. the government's saying there will be no preferential treatement of eu migrants after brexit — is it as simple as that? no. effectively what they have agreed strategically is that in the future after brexit in effect the
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immigration system should concentrate on skills rather than nationality and the emphasis is on high skilled migrants coming here although the government is saying some sectors need people with lower levels of skills as well. that route will not be entirely cut off, but effectively saying this is no longer about giving the eu special treatment. beneath the surface they are saying you could have light touch migration for eu citizens after brexit so long as they get a wider trade deal so what government insiders are saying is that it is no longer something for nothing, not three movement, but if we can get a trade deal and reciprocal arrangements then perhaps we could have a lighter immigration system for the eu, which sounds like preferential treatment, but they say it is not because they might make similar offers to the united states
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if they could get a trade deal with them and presumably countries in asia. rb going to be clearer about labour's position on brexit by the end of the not really. these boiler alert is there is no way this motion will get defeated. we will get the result in 5pm. they have agreed a strong emphasis on voting down any deal that theresa may comes back with from brussels. that will be made crystal clear by the brexit secretary. if they can get enough rebels to support they will call for a general election. if not then an option could be campaigning for a referendum. they have not listed any other options. that would be an option further down the line. disagreements would occur on what
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would be the question in the referendum and whether they would be voting on the final deal or whether it would include the option to remain. here starmer has been clear the option to remain would or should be there but some of his colleagues sounded far less clear about that, saying nothing is off the table. it could be very small table with a small menu of options. joanna gosling is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. more than £500 million was stolen from british bank customers in the first half of this year. industry group uk finance says that £145 million of that was stolen in so called "push payment scams" where people are tricked into sending money to another account. theresa may will press for the release of british—iranian charity worker nazanin zaghari—ratcliffe on humanitarian grounds later, when she meets iran's president rouhani in new york. mrs zaghari—ratcliffe, who is from west hampstead
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in london, has been in prison in tehran since april 2016 on spying charges, which she denies. donald trump's nomination to be a us supreme courtjudge has appeared on tv, insisting he is innocent of the claims of sexual misconduct dating back to when he was a student. brett kavanaugh has been accused by two women, and is due to appear before the senate judiciary committee later this week. but, speaking on fox news, he maintained he would not be withdrawing from the process. i am not going to let false accusations drive us out of this process and we are looking for a fair process where i can be heard and defend my integrity, my lifelong record. the boss of britain s largest lgbt charity, stonewall, says that "too many lesbian and gay people think bisexuals aren t real
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and aren t proper", which, she adds, is a deeply offensive, stereotypical, stigmatising narrative". katie salmon — who came out as bisexual on the itv2 show love island — told this programme about the prejudice and abuse she suffered afterwards — and the lack of support she got from people within the lgbt community. that's what hurt me the most because i thought, you've probably been in this position that i've been in. your emotions have probably felt like the way i felt. i can't even describe it when it was in that present moment. i was so scared because i didn't know what the outside world was thinking, my family were thinking, my friends were thinking, so i was quite... really upset, to be honest, that they've not supported me from my own community who'd also felt those feelings and probably those nervous feelings of coming out. domestic abuse victims and their children in england and wales are being put at risk because offenders are being allowed to "drift" through their sentences, according to a report by the probation watchdog. the inspectorate of probation found that officers had "unmanageable" workloads, of up to 60 cases each, and held infrequent meetings with offenders in public places, like cafes, where they couldn't discuss sensitive issues. our home affairs correspondent,
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june kelly, explains. sorry, that is not working, we will move on. three people in the us, all paralysed from the waist down, have been able to walk again with the aide of an electrical implant. doctors used an electrode to stimulate nerves in the spinal cord to help overcome the injuries. experts say the device helps lost signals from the brain reach the leg muscles but also warn the research is still in its early stages. archaeologists have found a 400—year—old shipwreck off the coast of portugal. the team believe the ship was returning from india when it sank sometime between 1575 and 1625. spices, ceramics and cannons engraved with portugal's coat of arms all lie around the wreck, found near the capital lisbon. fans of the hit bbc sci—fi series doctor who turned out in force for the premiere of the first
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episode of the new series in sheffield last night. this year sees a woman take up the lead role for the first time since the series began back in 1963. jodie whittaker, who is the 13th time lord, says it marks a new era. the duke and duchess of sussex went head to head in a netball shoot out, giggling their way through it. they were at loughborough university to present awards to graduates of an apprenticeship programme, that trains unemployed young people to be sports coaches and mentors. and if you're wondering, harry's team won the drill. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9:30am. we will bring you our exclusive film where katie salmon speaks about the
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criticism she has had from within the lgbt community. time for the sport now. katherine is at the bbc sport centre. and let's talk about the ryder cup — the teams have arrived in paris, it starts on friday but already it's all anyone can talk about, isn't it? this is golf that everybody can get behind. europe against america. the teams have been arriving just outside paris, about 20 miles outside paris, about 20 miles outside paris. rory mcilroy looking relaxed. the man at the centre of it is tiger woods. landed in paris
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looking very cool indeed. the americans looking to retain the ryder cup. 0ne americans looking to retain the ryder cup. one of the strongest american teams of all time with a resurgent tiger woods at its heart. europe captain says his side are not be intimidated. the game of golf needs that burst of somebody like him at the top of the game. thomas bjorn reminding europe fa ns game. thomas bjorn reminding europe fans that these guys do battle on the circuit every week while tiger woods has been recovering from his personal problems, his numerous back surgeries. the european team have
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beaten tiger woods more times than he has beaten them, so some comfort for europe, who are not the favourites. but tiger woods doesn't have a great record as a player at the ryder cup, does he? some comfort to european fans, tiger has 13 wins and 17 losses over his 33 matches. the last time he played in 2012 just took half a point from the four matches he took part in. why such a dodgy record? some people say he has enjoyed such phenomenal success , say he has enjoyed such phenomenal success, 1a majors in a tatp tour titles. his ability to shut everything out, compete against himself, the ryder cup is the antithesis of that, people who do well feed off the crowd, adapt their game to meet that of their opponents and come together as a team for the foursomes. the criticism of tiger woods as a ryder cup player is that he is not a team player, but us
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captainjim furyk he is not a team player, but us captain jim furyk says that he is not a team player, but us captainjim furyk says that has changed. when you look at now comparing past ryder cups to this one, i think what is so special is that tiger has ingrained himself in our team atmosphere and become such a big part of the team in 2016 as a vice captain, and then again in 2017 as assistant captain of the presidents cup. i think it is special for him now to join these younger players as a team—mate. so is this a new tiger woods? back to playing his best, back to playing golf, a game he thought he might never be able to play again after all his surgeries. he says when he plays there is joy and enjoyment, that sounds much like —— much more like a ryder cup player to me. 0minous news for the europeans. more from katherine downes later. good morning, it hasjust gone 9:15am. when katie salmon came out as bisexual on itv2‘s love island, she became part of the show‘s first ever same—sex couple. now she's spoken the first time,
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exclusively to this programme about the biphobic abuse she suffered as a result. what's more shocking is that a lot of the abuse she got came from within the lgbt community, many of whom accused her of embarking on a same sex relationship just for publicity. government statistics indicate there are are more bisexuals in britain than lesbians or gay men, and we've spoken to a number of bisexuals who say they feel ignored by the lgbt community, treated as sex objects by the straight community or are told their sexuality doesn't even exist. meanwhile the boss of britain's largest lgbt charity tells us too many lesbian and gay people think bisexuals aren't real and aren't proper — which, she adds, is a deeply offensive, stereotypical, stigmatising narrative. chris hemmings has this exclusive report. across britain, there are more people coming out as bisexual every year than those coming out as gay or lesbian. they say it's just a phase or it
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will pass and they don't realise how hurtful that can be. people say that it means that i'm a slut. constantly having to come out to friends and family. government statistics suggest about 2% of us identify as lesbian, gay or bisexual, but 40% of those people say they are bi. being told to pick a side between gay and straight. "oh, my god, you're so greedy." everyone thinks i actually fancy them. and yet, despite bisexuality being included in the lgbt acronym, many don't feel welcome in the lgbt community. having to prove that i'm gay enough for queer spaces. being told i'm undatable to women because i'll leave them for a man. in the lgbtq+ community, there's not really a place for you. they feel their sexuality isn't taken seriously and say
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they also face prejudice from heterosexual people, too. being fetishised by ex—boyfriends. "why did you have to tell us?" people often accuse me of saying i'm bisexual to turn my boyfriend on. the ceo of britain's leading lgbt charity has now said that biphobia from within the community is deeply offensive and says we all must do more to improve the visibility of bisexuality across society. in 2016, katie salmon was a contestant on itv2‘s love island. the show tries to match men and women as couples, but for katie, one of her matches wasn't male. she became half of the show‘s first and only same—sex pairing when she chose fellow contestant sophie graden to couple up with. there's nothing to be ashamed of, there's nothing to be feel bad about. you're completely normal and, you know, there are so many people out there like you and just as long as you love you, that's all that matters.
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both katie and sophie were open about their bisexuality on the show, coming out of a tv audience of about 1.5 million people. sophie sadly died this year, but katie has now spoken for the first time about the biphobia she faced from both the gay and straight community when she returned from the show. i was always in the gay clubs, so, yeah, it was always in the back of my head i was thinking that, oh, i feel this feeling. maybe just because i'm in these clubs, maybe it'sjust because i'm around these people and so i kind of, like, put a cover over it and kind ofjust not it's because of who i'm surrounding myself with, it's not really who i am. when i came off the show and i was reading some tweets and my brother was telling me a few things that my own gay community had been saying in liverpool, just throwing, like, some shade out there and saying, "no, she's not," "who knew that about her?" because i had obviously been in there for so many years and not really done so publicly. i felt like they all completely doubted me and were, like, criticising me and kind ofjust, like, treated it like it was nothing.
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"0h, she's just doing it for another reason, that's not really who she is." like doing it for publicity or something? 100%, yeah. i get called greedy so much. i'm just not taken seriously. you would think that those people would be the ones that would support you the most because they've been through it themselves. that's what hurt me the most because i thought you've probably been in this position that i've been in, your emotions have probably felt like the way i felt. i can't even describe it when it was in that present moment. i was so scared because i didn't know what the outside world was thinking, my family were thinking, my friends were thinking, so i was quite... really upset, to be honest, that they've not supported me from my own community who had also felt those feelings and probably those nervous feelings of coming out. and what about in the straight community once you'd come back from love island and you were in the wider world again? it's more from men than it is women. i'm quite fetishised and they see it as quite a sexual thing. you know, they never really take me seriously when i'm having conversations with people if i ever drop that in. they think it's entertainment for them.
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they'll be very sexualised by it and they'll be, like, "oh, so you like women as well? like, threesomes?" and say rude things like that and i think that's what really bothers me because if i was ever going to do it to please someone, it would be to please myself. they would never be as an entertainment value for anyone other than myself. what i find with women is that if they've got a little temptation in their mind, they will always think that i'm completely up for it, so don't use me to figure yourself out. i'm attracted to certain people, i'm not attracted to every single woman that goes by me, nor am i with a man, do you know what i mean? and people get that confused, but i think, yeah, like, why not? why can't i be who i want to be? lewis 0akley first had a boyfriend at 19 years old after moving to london and spent a lot of time in the gay community. if i was gay, i'd be gay. it's not that i am on a journey to figuring out who i am. i know who i am. when that relationship ended,
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and he began dating a woman, he said he was shamed by some of his friends. i remember we'd just broken up. and, obviously, i'd been out as bisexual for years. like, they did know that i was bisexual. i was out at a club and i met a girl and we were kissing and then some of my gay friends took pictures of us kissing and put it on a group chat and it was saying things like, "0h, disgusting, a gay guy being seduced in soho." all that sort of stuff. which i obviously read the next day and wasjust like, what? like, first of all, you know i'm bisexual. second, can you imagine if i'd taken a picture of you kissing a guy and had written this? it's not very equal. you would think that would be more empathy, more understanding, but not and it really worries me because a lot of the discrimination i have received for being bisexual has come from the gay community. it's really strange. i've heard a lot of the time, like, "oh, i said i was bisexual too in the beginning,
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you'll figure it out." and for me, that's really irritating because it's like, actually, i've dated a guy for two and a half years. if i was gay, i would be gay. i've done all the stuff, you know, i've held hands with a guy, said i love you, had sex with men, you're just having a problem with it. i remember my girlfriend said she was at a party once and someone came over and was like, "are you the one dating the gay guy?" people have said, "you need to break up with him, you'll eventually find him in bed with a man. how will you ever satisfy all his needs? oh, you know, he'll be looking at guys," and stuff like that. just a lot of digs that just invalidate your relationship. i'm mixed race and i've never had someone really be like, "oh, you're mixed race, that means you're more likely to cheat. " they would never say that to me, but they will say that about being bisexual and to me, ijust see it as the same thing. it's like you are making assumptions about me because of something i can't change about myself. i was able to hide it in myself because i found women attractive,
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so you could use that as leverage to kind of maybe look in the other direction basically and make yourself look in the other direction. does that make sense? yeah, no, absolutely. you know, bisexuals, i think we are the best hiders because we can blend in in that sense but it's also... we can pretend to be straight. yeah, but it also... 0r pretend to be gay. yeah, exactly. i mean, it's one of the things i always think about when i was with my ex—boyfriend and we would hold hands walking down the street, people would think, oh, there's two gay guys. now i'm walking down the street holding hands with my girlfriend and people think, oh, it's a straight couple. they don't get that i'm bisexual so we are just, by our nature, invisible anyway, even when we're not trying to be and that's hard because i think a gay man in the street that's maybe a bit worried coming out can see two gay men walk past hand—in—hand and it gives them strength. we're never going to get that for bisexuals because it's invisible. injune this year, the lgbt charity stonewall found a third of bi people aren't open about their sexual orientation to anyone in their family,
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compared to just 8% of lesbians and gay men. their figures show it's more difficult for men to come out as bi as almost half of bi men and a quarter of bi women aren't open to anyone in theirfamily. and three in ten bi men and almost one in ten bi women say they can't be honest about their sexuality with their friends. stonewall also found that 27% of bi women and 18% of bi men have experienced direct biphobia from within the lgbt community. the charity stonewall was set up to try and eliminate homophobia, biphobia and transphobia from across society, but their own figures show how bad biphobia still is within the lgbt community. their ceo, ruth hunt, says much more needs to be done to ensure bi people feel included in all walks of life. we have a very real problem and it's something we don't talk about because you
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don't wash your linen in public, do you know what i mean? we're all one big happy family, but in fact, no, we know from all our evidence and data that bi people really do worry about the hostility they'll experience from our own community, our own people. where you think that comes from? i think that there is an anxiety from lesbian and gay people that bi people don't really belong and that they're not proper and it's a deeply offensive, stereotypical, stigmatising narrative, but it's something that's really popular and keeps being perpetuated. and i think that's particularly severe for men who presume that they're just on the way to gay and for women, it's just presumed they're trying it out. it's a real reluctance to acknowledge that bi people have an identity and it's who they are and it's a reductionist approach to sexuality where you go, well, who you are is defined by what you do, so what are you doing today? that's your identity. and it's a very old—fashioned, antiquated view. someone might go with their opposite—sex partner to pride and then be told that they're not welcome in that space. that is deeply unpleasant.
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what are you doing as an organisation to try and change that? so our bi staff meet regularly and really recognise where bi erasure is going on across all our different outputs. even in the workplace, we find that after quite a lot of work that has happened with organisations around lg bt issues, lesbian and gay people are much more satisfied as groups of staff compared to bi staff, so there's something real about not being able to be out. we know that being able to be yourself is absolutely key in every area of life and that means being honest about who you are, but bi people are still reluctant. you never see bi characters are faithfully and respectfully portrayed on television at all. you know, when you see someone bi on television, it is always a matter of indecision, crisis and conflict. when coronation street starts having a bi character who is beautifully at ease with their sexual orientation, the impact will be huge. bi people don't only struggle coming
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out or gaining acceptance. they're also more likely to be the victims of abuse. in fact, the united nations found that across the world, 61% of bi women and 37% of bi men experienced rape, physical violence or stalking by an intimate partner. that's higher than both hetero and homosexual people. and rates of depression, anxiety, self harm and suicide are also higher in bisexuals. lois shearing first recognised her sexuality at 11 and when she came out at 1a, she looked for support online and via relationships, but instead found only biphobia. the first kind of video i clicked on about bisexuality was a video entitled "what lesbians think of bi women" and being young and naive, i was quite enthusiastic and thought it would be quite validating and positive, but actually it was very negative. there were a lot of negative stereotypes
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about not wanting to date bi women because they're cheaters or they're just faking it for men. and that knocked my confidence quite a bit because i was still coming out at the time and so i think i avoided looking for any other kind of information about bisexuality online for quite a while after that, so it definitely set me back a little bit in myjourney of becoming confident in myself and finding out, you know, that there is a thriving bi culture out there if you can find it. it's just there's a lot of barriers to finding it. one of the first women i sort of got involved with when i was quite young told me once that lesbians wouldn't want to be with me because i'm too straight and straight men wouldn't want to be with me because i'm too gay and that just kind of stuck in my mind for a long time. i think i believed that for quite a while. as a result of her experiences as a teenager,
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she set up the bi survivors network, offering a space for bi people to talk about what they've been through. when you're a survivor and you're at a very vulnerable time in your life, the idea of facing any of that kind of biphobia, even if it's just a micro—aggression of being told you don't really exist, is something that you maybe can't handle. for the people whojoin us, it's just a place where they know they're never going to have to defend themselves to people who should be able to understand them. several of the people have experienced intimate partner sexual violence. based around their bisexuality? one person in the group has had that happen to them where it was a male survivor who was threatened by a female partner that she would out him if he reported what had happened, so obviously, it adds an extra layer of if you can't access a mainstream, so heterosexual survivor service, because you're worried about being outed, and then you can't access an lg bt survivor service because you're worried about these
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comments and the biphobia, where do you go from there? that's why survivors — and bi people are more likely to be survivors — just kind of feel like they've got nowhere left to turn. while each bisexual person's experience of biphobia is different, many share the common experiences of unacceptance, exclusion and erasure. they want their sexuality recognised as legitimate and to no longer be judged or ignored. jess on twitter: "i don't feel that people should be shocked about the biphobia that exists in the gay/lesbian community, as it also exists in the hetrosexual community. i think that a greater understanding of human sexuality across the board is what is needed. gertrude on twitter: "great to see this being raised on your show. bisexual people can
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often feel isolated from straight society but rejected by the lgbt community. it's hard to find where you fit. seeing this discussed on mainstream tv means a lot, so thank you. jon email: "as a bisexual man i've not only noticed biphobia from gay people but also from straight women. if you have been with men in the past, the majority of straight women will write you off as gay. i actively hide my sexuality now." ian on email: "if people kept their private lives private, they wouldn't face the insults. or, why do people put their information on social media? if you want to tell the world about your preferences, don't be shocked if someone replies unfavourably. " still to come: what is labour's position on a second referendum? we'll try and get a clearer answer from one of their brexit team. and we speak to the father of british snowboarder ellie soutter who took her own life on her 18th
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birthday this summer. he's set up a foundation to help raise cash for young athletes who find it really hard to get funding to pursue their dream. time for the latest news — here'sjoanna. eu migrants should not be given preferential treatment in the government's immigration system after brexit, cabinet ministers have agreed. highly—skilled workers should be prioritised and people coming to the uk to live and work would be subject to the same rules wherever they're from. ministers will set out further details later this year. labour's divisions over brexit could be further exposed today as members vote on whether to leave open the possibility of campaigning for another referendum. meanwhile the shadow brexit secretary, sir keir starmer, will use his speech at the party's conference to confirm that labour is preparing to vote down any deal the government manages to secure with the european union. more than £500 million was stolen from british bank
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customers in the first half of this year. industry group uk finance says that £145 million of that was stolen in so called "push payment scams" — where people are tricked into sending money to another account. donald trump's nomination to be a us supreme courtjudge has appeared on tv, insisting he is innocent of the claims of sexual misconduct dating back to when he was a student. brett kavanaugh has been accused by two women, and is due to appear before the senate judiciary committee later this week. but, speaking on fox news, he maintained he would not be withdrawing from the process. domestic abuse victims and their children in england and wales are being put at risk because offenders are being allowed to "drift" through their sentences, according to a report by the probation watchdog. the inspectorate of probation found that officers had "unmanageable" workloads, of up to 60 cases each, and held "infrequent meetings" with offenders in public places, like cafes, where they couldn't discuss sensitive issues. the government says it has consulted on how best to deliver probation services in the future.
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three people in the us, all paralysed from the waist down, have been able to walk again with the aid of an electrical implant. doctors used an electrode to stimulate nerves in the spinal cord to help overcome the injuries. experts say the device helps lost signals from the brain reach the leg muscles but also warn the research is still in its early stages. fans of the hit bbc sci—fi series doctor who turned out in force for the premiere of the first episode of the new series in sheffield last night. this year sees a woman take up the lead role for the first time since the series began back in 1963. jodie whittaker, who is the 13th timelord, says it marks a new era. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. labour members will get the chance to vote on brexit today — and the party's brexit spokesman will say that the labour mps will vote against theresa may's planned deal with the eu.
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keir starmer, who speaks for labour on brexit, will address the conference in the next hour when he's expected to commit the party to stopping what he calls a "destructive tory brexit". let's speak to our political guru norman smith, who is at the labour party conference in liverpool. today we get this. the great brexit clean—up as key starmer tries to clea n clean—up as key starmer tries to clean up all the confusion calls day yesterday over what the party's sta nce yesterday over what the party's stance was if there is another referendum. it was panic stations afterjohn mcdonnell seem to suggest that there was another referendum it would not include the remain option. it would be on the deal, and parliament would then determine the form of words on that, as they always do. we'll be campaigning to have a debate on the deal itself. but you're suggesting
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a vote on the deal, not a vote to stay in or...? because we respect the original referendum... so remain wouldn't be on the table? we respect the original referendum, that's right, but we'll see what comes out of parliament on that. after that it seems john mcdonnell was taken behind the bike sheds and told not to say that. being told to recant. later that evening, told not to say that. being told to recant. laterthat evening, he told not to say that. being told to recant. later that evening, he did. can you clarify your position on brexit? yes, all options are kept open. does that mean...? if we can't get a general election we will have to consider a people's vote, and then all options will be on the table. we know that remain would be on the ballot paper in any future referendum. for a labourer at the referendum. for a labourer at the referendum option is becoming almost
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the preferred strategy if they cannot get a general election. today we will learn something else, which is pretty much whatever deal theresa may manages to strike, if she manages to get a deal, labour is going to vote against it because keir starmer will say that the six tests he has set out that theresa may's deal looks like failing on everything go one. it was unlikely they would pass all the tests because one of them suggested that any deal would have to ensure exactly the same benefits as we currently enjoy the single market or customs union. what does that mean? the prospect of no deal becomes much more real because labour are lining up more real because labour are lining up pretty much come watch me to vote
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against any agreement. it makes it much harder second life or any labourmp to break much harder second life or any labour mp to break ranks. you may get, this is theresa may's corp, some labour pro—europeans who think we cannot have no deal, so through gritted teeth i am going to have to back theresa may. by coming out and saying the prime minister's approach breaches all of our tests, that makes it almost mission impossible for labour mps to defy their leadership and tried to help theresa may get some sort of agreement through. so, ahead of that debate at the party conference later, what are the big questions being asked by labour activists about brexit? here's just a few. will you give the people a final say, with an option to remain? so, my message to the shadow cabinet is if there were a people's vote, which way would you campaign and how would you win it?
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i'm a strong supporter of remain, i voted remain, campaigned hard to remain. yet here in the east midlands where i'm a counsellor it is a heavily brexit, working—class area. if we're going to win back the millions of people that we need to to labour in these areas, not only in the east midlands but throughout the country, how are we going to win them back if we tell people that we're going to have a second referendum ? how will labour uphold agreements internationally? will the labour government continue to work with europe on this and other environmental issues outside the eu? we can put those questions now tojenny chapman, who's part of labour's brexit team. she's in liverpool at the party's annual conference. be clear. will you give the people
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inafinalsay be clear. will you give the people in a final say with the option to remain in europe? if the circumstances in which we find ourselves that is the right thing to do, in the interest of our country, we are keeping that option on the table. we think that is what will be decided today by the labour party members. we are not in the business of ruling things out that we later regret. we want to keep our options open because we are at such a critical stage that we feel we have to keep our options available so we can do the right thing in the interests of our country. except your shadow chancellor ruled out the remain option if we get to a second referendum then you brexit secretary said it was still on the table and thenjohn mcdonnell said said it was still on the table and then john mcdonnell said it said it was still on the table and thenjohn mcdonnell said it was still on the table. what does that say that at a time when the conservatives are at sixes and sevens your supporters would
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expected to be capitalising and you at sixes and sevens? we are not. today would we will be agreeing on a position behind which the whole of the labour party can unite. watch today what happens with the labour party and how we get together behind this. then contrast that with what is going to happen next week at the conservative party conference and then talk to me about who is divided. you will find enormous unity here and incredible nasty division in the tory party conference next week. we will see. if there was to be people's fog which we would you campaign?” campaigned for remain last time and i expect i would probably do the same this time. it all depends very much on the deal that the prime minister is able to strike, on the timing ofany minister is able to strike, on the timing of any such decision, on the
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options in front of us at the time. i cannot answer options in front of us at the time. i ca nnot a nswer exactly options in front of us at the time. i cannot answer exactly what will happen because we do not know at the moment. we do not know whether the prime minister is going to bring back a deal, what it will look like, the nature of the relationship between the eu 27 and the uk will be at that moment. we want a good deal. that is the end we are trying to fight for. richard says, i am a labour councillor, it is the strong brexit supporting working class area, how do we win back millions of voters to labour if we ignore the brexit vote and tell people we are having another referendum ? brexit vote and tell people we are having another referendum? that is why we are keeping it on the table but they are not ignoring the brexit vote. my constituency voted to leave and that is at the forefront of my mind wheni and that is at the forefront of my mind when i consider these issues. we must not ignore what people were telling us about wanting to leave
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the eu. at the same time we do not just sign up to any old thing. that is not what they were saying when they voted to leave. they did not ask to leave with no deal, which would be catastrophic for them and their community and our country. people are more sophisticated than given credit for and understand... your brexit spokesman has said you we re your brexit spokesman has said you were going to vote against any brexit deal mrs may gets from the eu, which brings the prospect of a no deal scenario, much more to the fore in all of our minds. crushing out with short—term economic shock forecast by most reasonable experts. how is that supporting the people who voted to leave? i think what the shadow brexit secretary keir starmer said isn't that we will vote against a deal in any circumstance, what we have been very careful to do is lay
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out the criteria by which we will assess the deal. so if they are met, and we have been upfront with the government about what they are... lets say the chequers deal, you are voting against that, which means there is a possibility of the uk crushing out? on chequers it is not just the labour party... but i am talking to you about your position, obviously. in that situation where we are presented with a deal that could be similar to chequers, although it does not look like chequers has much of a future, the choice must not be it is either this steel or crushing out, there need to be other options on the table, which is why the labour party has taken the position it has today. there are other things you can do other than crush out without a deal, which most people would understand would be a disaster for our economy. you could
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look at having another vote, a general election, which would be my preference, and there are other ways of resolving this. characterising this as theresa may's deal or crushing out, that is not what will happen. parliament will not allow that. thank you for talking to us, the shadow brexit minister, jenny chapman, speaking to was live. —— speaking us live. more than £500 million was stolen from customers of british banks in the first half of 2018 according to new figures. industry group uk finance said 145 million of that was due to what's known as "authorised push payment" scams, in which people are conned into sending money to another account. with me now is our personal finance correspondent, simon gompertz. this is such a lot of money, tell us more? it is the bit you are talking about which is increasing very fast,
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£145 million is up 44% compared to last year and everyone probably know someone who has been scanned in this way, where someone tricks you, the first form is that someone tricks you on the internet, probably, into paying for something that is not bad. it might be a car or something alecjohn, you pay and nothing arrives. the other more frightening form, they are usually bigger forms of money involved, is wary fraudster hacks into an e—mail accounts, you getan e—mail hacks into an e—mail accounts, you get an e—mail asking to pay for something which you are biking and which is real, but the money then goes to the fraudster‘s account, which could be something as bad as paying the deposit on a house, it could be £20,000, £30,000. on average it is more than £7,000. a big problem, something the banks really need to deal with. is it's their responsibility? that is the big question, and in most of those
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cases it is the individual victim having to foot the bill, because the banks are saying you authorise the payments, it is not like a credit ca rd payments, it is not like a credit card fraud where someone defaults the bank in your name, you authorise the bank in your name, you authorise the payment and it is your responsibility. so you don't get a refund? only about a fifth of the money is refunded, out of 145 million, only 30 million was refunded. that was in the first six months of the year. what is being done to stop it? regulators are forcing banks to come up with a new code of practice, but it still has the principal that you will show you have taken the principal that you will show you have ta ken appropriate the principal that you will show you have taken appropriate care to protect yourself. there will be wiggle room for the banks to say it is not ourfault wiggle room for the banks to say it is not our fault and you will have to pay, but hopefully it will be a better system and we will hear more about it next week. cheers, simon. coming up... epipens can save someone's life when they're in shock from a severe allergy, but pharmacists tell this programme they're having to ration giving out the adrenaline jabs
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because of a global shortage. that after 10am. two months after the death of one of britain's most talented young snowboarders, a foundation being set up in her name is ready to take applications from potential sporting stars in need of funding. ellie soutter took her life on her 18th birthday this summer. she was tipped as one of the favourites to represent the uk at the 2022 winter olympics in beijing, but since her death questions have been raised over how young athletes are funded and the pressures they face on the way to the top of their sport. in a moment we'll be talking to ellie's dad about ellie, and the foundation. but first, here's a reminder of the woman she was — this is her talking after she won bronze in the snowboard cross, great britain's only medal at the 2017 european youth 0lympic winter festival. it was amazing to have so many people watching us in so many
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countries, and representing your country and your flag. at the top of the run i was so nervous. i think it's the most nervous i've never been for race, because i knew how good i wanted to do and i knew the expectations and i really, really wanted to do my country proud. —— the most nervous i have ever been for a race. crossing the line, i don't even... i can't even explain. i was so emotional when i crossed the line, just because i wanted to come here and get a medal and when i realised i went over that line i realised i'd got the medal and it was an amazing feeling. let's talk to her dad, tony soutter. good morning. good morning. how are you doing? yes, 0k, not too bad. yes, ok, not too bad. tell our audience a bit about any? —— ellie? she was a very bright, charismatic, competitive, funny thing —— fun
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loving young lady. an ordinary teenager with an amazing talent on the snowboard. she was probably the only one who did not realise how much of a talent she had. she was pretty low— key? much of a talent she had. she was pretty low- key? if much of a talent she had. she was pretty low-key? if she could have... if she could have snowballed and for gb orthe if she could have snowballed and for gb or the olympics without any publicity at all, that is how she would have loved to have done it. —— if she could have snowboard and four. she did not like being in the limelight, i hate to think what she would think of me doing all this publicity for her foundation. i'm sure she'd would love that it will help other young children if we can get it off the ground. in the days leading up to ellie's death, how did she seem to you? in very good spirits. she got very upset because she missed a flight to a training camp and therefore turned up a training camp and therefore turned up late, very late in the evening.
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she did not have the right clothing because i had not packed her bags properly. it was one thing after another, really. that really upset her. she knew she was wasting money from sponsors and from me personally and that it upset her. —— that did upset her. but then she seemed to bounce back and was in very good spirits, the night before, the day before she took her life. what about the pressures on young athletes trying to make it to the top, including ellie? you have driven her thousands of kilometres to competitions, there is not much funding from the organisation, it is tough? it is. when you think these young children have given up so much, in ellie's case and in lots of other cases of young athletes i know, they have to give up normal
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schooling, so they are home—schooled so they are missing a lot of friendships they would normally have at that age, they can't go out partying with their friends because they need to be young athletes. they are alone a lot of the time because they are travelling the world, just with coaches and other people like that. also the physical side of it, there is a massive physical aspect that you have to keep fit and train. then you have the pressures of keeping up your stance within your competitors rain, —— competitive reign, if you are number one or two in the world you have to maintain it, there are massive pressures on young athletes which are not really seen as such. what is your own belief about why your daughter took her life? you could look into lots of things, there what ifs all over,
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and parents, both lorraine and i, look back and say what if this, what if that. you could go through all day every day for the rest of your life, but you cannot really do that. 0ne life, but you cannot really do that. one big thing has come to light since ellie's death, which is something called cerebral traumatic ambulances, or cte, it has happened ambulances, or cte, it has happened a massive amount in the nfl football league in america. related to concussion? yes. unfortunately ellie had several concussions in herfour or five—year sporting career. had several concussions in herfour or five-year sporting career. and in april she had to take 60 days of the snow, and 47 and a half hours after a fall she did not know who you were? —— 47 and a half hours. u nfortu nately i were? —— 47 and a half hours. unfortunately i had not been told by
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the competition, so i did not know she was there. when i found out she was in hospital i went to see her, and seven and a half hours later she had no idea who i was and was very traumatised by the whole incident, almost to the point where i think she was saying to herself, i might have to give this up. and that can lead to depression, you have put all those years in. there will never be a happy outcome of having to either give up because of injuries. it is another factor, the pressures give up because of injuries. it is anotherfactor, the pressures they go under, do i want to carry on or not, put myself through this? there is huge pressure on the young athletes. although there are some subsidised training programmes for top level athletes, junior athletes like ellie mostly rely on sponsorship and parental support for funding. you estimate it cost around £30,000 for a year to fund ellie's snowboarding career and things like kit, lift passes, travel and accomodation, how much of a strain was this on you? yeah, it was a big strain. we moved
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to france ten years ago i had a five—year plan and ellie knew that, we would then buy a house and do it up. we still lived in rented accommodation and we lived hand to mouth, as such, because i was piling so much money into her sport. that is my decision, i wanted to do that, i loved it, it made me very proud, what she was achieving. you do that asa what she was achieving. you do that as a parent but you sacrifice a lot. ellie was acutely aware of the sacrifices i was making for that. then it is just another pressure. with the foundation, if we can fund travelling accommodation and coaching fees for young children that have an ability to be racing for their country, that is what we would like to do. itjust relieves pressure from them. you are in a
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position to start taking applications from young, talented sports people? we are, we don't yet have enough funding to help too many young athletes but it would be lovely to get it off the ground. if they would like to go to the ellie soutterfoundation website, and then e—mail us with their applications, it just needs e—mail us with their applications, itjust needs to be the reason why they believe they need it, why they are doing what they are doing, and toby backed by a coach or an official organisation in the sport and/ or club. —— and to be backed. for any young athletes or parents watching, what would be your message, bearing in mind you're very, very sad story? the message i would really like to convey, and the foundation wants to convey, to any
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of the athletes, and to make the pa rents of the athletes, and to make the parents and their clubs and team members are aware, that it is ok not to be ok. and if you are not ok, reach out and speak to someone. when someone reaches out to you and speaks to you, listen to them and give them an ear. it is very prevalent in teenagers these days that there is a huge amount of depression, and unfortunately in the uk there is not the system to catch those kids at the moment. so we just had to be there for them ourselves. thank you very much for being on the programme. and you can find details of organisations offering information and support at bbc.co.uk/actionline, or you can call for free at any time to hear recorded information on 08000155 998. many of us last night saw the
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harvest moon which is the name given to the moon closest to the autumn equinox. plenty of shots of that with clear skies. we have high pressure a cross with clear skies. we have high pressure across most areas except the far north and west. a weather front moving in bringing cloud this morning. for much of england and wales, blue skies and sunshine. for the rest of today we continue with sunshine across england and wales but the cloud will be with you for scotla nd but the cloud will be with you for scotland and northern ireland and rain moving through. it is going to be quite windy across the north—west, gales and severe gales, 50-60 north—west, gales and severe gales, 50—60 mph. with the sunshine it is
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going to feel pleasant. tonight, cloud across scotland, northern ireland and england. rain moving across much of scotland. beneath the cloud, temperatures quite chilly across southern areas with clear skies. lots of sunshine across england and wales. more cloud across northern england with one or two showers. continuing to feed and rain across the north of scotland. for many wednesday will be warmer than today. temperatures into the 20s across the south. edging further south. much of england and wales
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thursday is looking sunny. it is going to be warmer day. the cloud will move further south but eventually there will be brighter skies and drier weather for scotland and northern ireland. chillier. the warm here is going to be pushed away by friday. lou is coming across most of us so we will feel a slight difference into friday. plenty of drier weather with the sunshine. starting the weekend with lots of fine and dry weather and temperatures in the mid teens. hello, it's tuesday, it's 10am, i'm victoria derbyshire. love island contestant katie salmon has spoken exclusively to this programme about the abuse she faced from straight men and the gay community after she had a bisexual relationship on the show. it's more from men than it is women.
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i'm quite fetishised and they see it as quite a sexual thing. you know, they never really take me seriously when i'm having conversations with people if i ever drop that in. they think it's entertainment for them. they'll be very sexualised by it and they'll be, like, "oh, so you like women as well? like, threesomes?" and say rude things like that. she's not alone. more than a quarter of bisexual women say they've faced prejudice from within the lgbt community. we'll be speaking to a group of bi people in a minute about their experience. amidst a global shortage, pharmacists have warned this programme that they're having to ration epipens — which can save the lives of those suffering from shock due to severe allergies. do you or someone you know need an epipen and have you experienced rationing of them?
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let me know. presenter richard bacon's life was saved this summer by emergency treatment he received at a nhs hospital in south london. he'sjoining us in this hour to explain why he's calling for more funding for critical care in the nhs. and victims of domestic abuse and their children are being put at risk when their abusers leave prison. the chief inspector of probation tells us that private probation services are "nowhere near effective enough". about a quarter of a million offenders each year are supervised by probation. about half of them are domestic abuse perpetrators. so this is the largest number perhaps the most common thing that probation is dealing with and if you do not protect victims sufficiently well there is an increased risk of yet another incident happening. good morning, it's10am. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the day's news. eu migrants should not be given preferential treatment in the government's immigration system after brexit, cabinet ministers have agreed.
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highly—skilled workers should be prioritised and people coming to the uk to live and work would be subject to the same rules wherever they're from. ministers will set out further details later this year. labour's divisions over brexit could be further exposed today as members vote on whether to leave open the possibility of campaigning for another referendum. meanwhile the shadow brexit secretary, sir keir starmer, will use his speech at the party's conference to confirm that labour is preparing to vote down any deal the government manages to secure with the european union. more than £500 million was stolen from british bank customers in the first half of this year. industry group uk finance says that £145 million of that was stolen in so called "push payment scams" — where people are tricked into sending money to another account. donald trump's nomination to be a us supreme courtjudge has appeared on tv, insisting he is innocent of the claims of sexual misconduct dating back to when he was a student.
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brett kavanaugh has been accused by two women, and is due to appear before the senate judiciary committee later this week. but, speaking on fox news, he maintained he would not be withdrawing from the process. domestic abuse victims and their children in england and wales are being put at risk because offenders are being allowed to "drift" through their sentences, according to a report by the probation watchdog. the inspectorate of probation found that officers had "unmanageable" workloads, of up to 60 cases each, and held "infrequent meetings" with offenders in public places, like cafes, where they couldn't discuss sensitive issues. the government says it has consulted on how best to deliver probation services in the future. the boss of britain s largest lgbt charity, stonewall, says that "too many lesbian and gay people think bisexuals aren t real and aren t proper", which, she adds, is a "deeply offensive, stereotypical, stigmatising narrative". katie salmon — who came out as bisexual on the itv2 show love island — told this programme about the prejudice and abuse
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she suffered afterwards — and the lack of support she got from people within the lgbt community. that's what hurt me the most because i thought, you've probably been in this position that i've been in. your emotions have probably felt like the way i felt. i can't even describe it when it was in that present moment. i was so scared because i didn't know what the outside world was thinking, my family were thinking, my friends were thinking, so i was quite... really upset, to be honest, that they've not supported me from my own community who'd also felt those feelings and probably those nervous feelings of coming out. three people in the us, all paralysed from the waist down, have been able to walk again with the aid of an electrical implant. doctors used an electrode to stimulate nerves in the spinal cord to help overcome the injuries. experts say the device helps lost signals from the brain reach the leg muscles but also warn the research is still in its early stages. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10:30am. we will talk more about what it is
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like to be bisexual in 2018. the players have been practising in paris for the ryder cup — which gets underway on friday. the european team are looking to win back the cup — after success at gleneagles in 2014, they lost to the usa two years ago at hazeltine. they are the underdogs this time round. the americans, with six of the world's top ten in their team, are favourites to win, but europe captain thomas bjorn says his side are not intimidated. him winning games of golf again is brilliant and we all benefit. whatever it is these guys are going to do this week the game of golf needs the boost of somebody like him
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who sends the game to the masses. the man at the heart of the us team is, of course, tiger woods, who won his first pga tour title for five years over the weekend. but his record at the ryder cup is less than glowing — 13 wins and 17 losses in 33 matches. in the past his critics have said he's not a team player — but us captainjim furyk says that's changed. when you look at now comparing past ryder cups to this one, i think what is so special is that tiger has ingrained himself in our team atmosphere and become such a big part of the team in 2016 as a vice captain, and then again in 2017 as assistant captain of the presidents cup. i think it is special for him now to join these younger players as a team—mate. the croatia midfielder luka modric was named as the best male player at the fifa football awards in london. he beat cristiano ronaldo and mo salah to the honour —
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recognition for his contribution, as real madrid won their third champions league title in a row in may and croatia reached their first world cup final in the summer. brazil and orlando pride striker marta was named the women's world player of year. it's the sixth time she's won the award. england bowler moeen ali says there's no place in life — not only in cricket — for the kind of abuse he received during the 2015 ashes tour. ali was called 0sama by an australia player on the field and although it was investigated at the time — and more recently when he talked about the incident in his book — cricket australia have closed the case. ali says it's still very upsetting. there's been a shock at the world judo championships in baku, with britain's world number two natalie powell knocked out in the third round by slovenia's klara apoteker. she won bronze last year and was bidding to become wales' first world champion but her challenge ended
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in a matter of seconds when she was thrown for ippon. she admitted she'd messed up. ido i do not think i started particularly bad. it started well and then i got caught. i came in in good shape. you can have competitions where you feel rubbish and geta competitions where you feel rubbish and get a good competition and sometimes you expect a good result and it hasn't on this occasion. that's all the sport for now. we heard earlier an exclusive interview with katie salmon — who came out as bisexual on the itv2 show love island and became part of the show‘s first ever same—sex couple. she has spoken, for the first time, to this programme about the prejudice and abuse she suffered afterwards. in a moment we'll speak to three bisexual people who all say they've
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experienced this kind of prejudice. but first, a quick reminder of chris hemmings' exclusive report. across britain, there are more people coming out as bisexual every year than those coming out as gay or lesbian. government statistics suggest about 2% of us identify as lesbian, gay or bisexual, but 40% of those people say they are bi. in 2016, katie salmon was a contestant on itv2‘s love island. the show tries to match men and women as couples, but for katie, one of her matches wasn't male. she became half of the show‘s first and only same—sex pairing when she chose fellow contestant sophie graden to couple up with. sophie sadly died this year, but katie has now spoken for the first time about
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the biphobia she faced from both the gay and straight community when she returned from the show. when i came off the show and i was reading some tweets and my brother was telling me a few things that my own gay community had been saying in liverpool, just throwing, like, some shade out there and saying, "no, she's not," "0h, she's just doing it for another reason, that's not really who she is." like doing it for publicity or something? 100%, yeah. i get called greedy so much. i'm just not taken seriously. you would think that those people would be the ones that would support you the most because they've been through it themselves. that's what hurt me the most because i thought you've probably been in this position that i've been in, your emotions have probably felt like the way i felt. i can't even describe it. and what about in the straight community once you'd come back from love island and you were in the wider world again? it's more from men than it is women. i'm quite fetishised and they see it as quite a sexual thing. they think it's entertainment for them. they'll be very sexualised by it and they'll be, like,
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"oh, so you like women as well? like, threesomes?" i'm attracted to certain people, i'm not attracted to every single woman that goes by me, nor am i with a man, do you know what i mean? and people get that confused, but i think, yeah, like, why not? why can't i be who i want to be? injune this year, the lgbt charity stonewall found a third of bi people aren't open about their sexual orientation to anyone in their family compared to just 8% of lesbians and gay men. their figures show it's more difficult for men to come out as bi as almost half of bi men and a quarter of bi women aren't open to anyone in theirfamily. stonewall also found that 27% of bi women and 18% of bi men have experienced direct biphobia from within the lgbt community. and rates of depression, anxiety, self harm and suicide are also higher in bisexuals.
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the charity stonewall was set up to try and eliminate homophobia, biphobia and transphobia from across society, but their own figures show how bad biphobia still is within the lgbt community. their ceo, ruth hunt, says much more needs to be done to ensure bi people feel included in all walks of life. we know from all our evidence and data that bi people really do worry about the hostility they'll experience from our own community, our own people. i think that there is an anxiety from lesbian and gay people that bi people don't really belong and that they're not proper and it's a deeply offensive, stereotypical, stigmatising narrative, but it's something that's really popular and keeps being perpetuated. and i think that's particularly severe for men who presume that they're just on the way to gay and for women, it's just presumed they're trying it out. it's a real reluctance to acknowledge that bi people have an identity and it's who they are and it's a reductionist approach to sexuality where you go, well, who you are is defined by what you do, so what are you doing today?
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that's your identity. and it's a very old—fashioned, antiquated view. let's speak now to lewis 0akley, he's bisexual. he first had a boyfriend at 19, and is now in a relationship with a woman. charlotte dingle is also bisexual. she's been in numerous relationships with women and is now going out with a man. erin ekins has been in relationships with men and women and is currently single. also with us is peter tatchell, lgbt and human rights campaigner. welcome, all, thank you for coming on the programme and for your patience. what kind of biphobia have you experienced, from whom? becomes a lot from the lgbt community. does that shock you? yes, in the beginning, but now i have begun to expected. when you are close to somebody you make jokes about each other, but this is something else, it isa other, but this is something else, it is a deep, not believing, not
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have done grabbing any respect and pulling you upon who you are. it is crazy, it is meant to be a community where we are meant to support each other. —— not believing, not having any respect. you might expect it would come from the street community, but it has not. there has been some, but for me it has been a lot. when you have lgbt people going into campaigning and they do not really believe in bisexuality, that is where you see it has not been taken seriously? charlotte? ithink the most annoying example of biphobia i have experienced is from within the lgbt community, because of this thing called straight privilege which we apparently have. what does that mean? about at the moment i am in a relationship with a man, so we can walk down the road holding hands, when i have be with the woman it is more difficult, you have to assess if it is ok. in
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reality, straight privilege does not exist, if you're going to take advantage of straight privilege you have to pretend you are not bisexual. what abuse do you receive asa bisexual. what abuse do you receive as a result of being bisexual? is that an insult to say you benefit from straight privilege? yes, because i do not benefit from it unless i hide my identity, which nobody wants to do. so to experience straight privilege i have to be in the bisexual closet. it is this idea that if you are bisexual you can decide you will go out with a man just as a cover up, but the reason i am with my boyfriend is because i like him as a human being, not that lam with like him as a human being, not that i am with the man because it is easier. errand, what about you? -- erin, what about you?” easier. errand, what about you? -- erin, what about you? i get it from the straight community and the lgbt community, but the stuff from the rgb to community hurts more, that is
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meant to be my safe place. what do you get? i use an example my first pride i ever went to as a student, there was an actor that did cheers that everybody, cheer if you are a lesbian, cheer if you are gay cheer if you are straight. i remember very distinctly turning round if you are —— turning round to getting upset because i had nowhere to cheer. it seems like a small deal, but the impact of little things like that on your mental health in particular when you do not feel welcome in the straight community but you are consta ntly straight community but you are constantly on edge in the lgbt community, the anxiety that that creates is huge, it is the sense of their two two worlds and i am almost stateless in the community. —— that are stateless in the community. —— that a re two stateless in the community. —— that are two worlds. it brings such an
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amount of anxiety and not really belonging, which is something we all want. peter, how do you react? i totally hear those concerns and the anger at the way in which bisexual people are created by others within the lgbt community. the whole aim of lg bt rights the lgbt community. the whole aim of lgbt rights and liberation is about allowing people to be who they want to be, live and let live, accept diversity. what is going wrong? as we have heard, there is disbelief, rejection, accusations of privilege, i think it is really sad. the research shows very clearly that human sexuality is a spectrum. some people are 100% heterosexual or homosexual, there is a lot of people in between on that spectrum, that is perfectly valid. i think in a post—homophobic society a lot more
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people would feel comfortable and able to express their bisexuality if there were not all these pressures to conform one way or the other, i think many more people would understand or accept that within all of us there is at least the potential to have both sexual and emotional attractions to both genders. is itjust ignorant? because they are not bisexual they cannot understand somebody is?” think it is a lot of ignorance. i don't always like to throw around the world phobia, i think it is ignorance. i have written a lot of articles about this, once you explain to people sometimes they get it, i have had people sayi explain to people sometimes they get it, i have had people say i had never thought of it and now i am guilty of giving up. my hope is that it isjust guilty of giving up. my hope is that it is just about getting the guilty of giving up. my hope is that it isjust about getting the message out, about explaining it and realising that we are the lgbt, but we all deal with different issues. the issues faced by a gay man are not the same issues that i face. and
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we need to make sure that specific bi issues are not brushed under the carpet as they have been. there is a lack of research in this country looking at bisexual people, it puts at —— looking at bisexual people, it puts at — — puts looking at bisexual people, it puts at —— puts us at a disadvantage and at —— puts us at a disadvantage and a risk. sue says i am 56, i have been bisexuals and there was a teenager but i never tell people, i say i am gay because it is more acceptable. it is good to seeing bisexuality address on television. harry says i am neither gay nor bi, i recognise their rights, they are not harming anybody and society needs to be more tolerant of people who do not conform to their ideal of normal. 0ne viewer says i believe we all bisexual, we sit on a spectrum and until you meet everyone in this life you will not know 100%, you might lean one way or the other. leighton says i am not surprised at the response from gay or straight people, they're always people who
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feel they are part of a select group of different people are encroaching on itare of different people are encroaching on it are seen as a threat to some of the group members. is that fair, somehow you are a threat? yeah, i mean there is a constant feeling that we are not gay enough to be part of the lgbt community. i have been working on and off in lgbt media for over a decade, when i started out i was editing quite a well—known magazine and people in the community said i should not have been because i was bisexual. that was really, really galling when i was really, really galling when i was putting in all this work, ifelt like i was being treated like an impostor. but things have moved on an awful lot and now when i started out in the lgbt lot and now when i started out in the lg bt media lot and now when i started out in the lgbt media i did not really write about bisexuality much, but now i have publications really, really interested. this viewer says asa really interested. this viewer says as a bisexual woman it is great yacht interview katie salmon, i agree with those she says about
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being shunned by the lgbt community as well a so—called heterosexual people, in brackets she says i do not believe anyone is 100% gay or straight. i have even been witch hunted by family members. this text says it is a minefield being bisexual in the uk, gay people do not accept anything apart from their own agenda and straight people either fetishise you or assume you can keep it in your pants. my husband is bisexual but always feels obliged to describe himself as gay around other men, which forces me to — — forces around other men, which forces me to —— forces him to raise me, his wife. even my parents, who love him, feel it is only a matter of time before he leads me to lead his gay life. you are smiling because it is ringing bells? ringing an awful lot of bells. as you were saying about the magazine, things have come a
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long way. i know there will be lots of young people identifying as bi and it can seem very, very bleak out there when you don't see yourself represented, when you read the comments section on any article about bisexuality, something i do not do any more for my own mental health and sanity. but i agree, we have come a long way but we are a long way from where we need to be. peter, you are an icon for many people in terms of your activism over the years, a role model, what do you say to people in the gay community being hurtful and worst bisexual people? grow up. if you think it is wrong for people to be prejudiced against you because you are gay, you have a moral responsibility not to be prejudiced against those who are bisexual, trans whatever. we need to accept
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and value community. there was a yougov poll about one year ago which surveyed young people aged 16 to 24, 49% said they would not define themselves as 100% heterosexual. that would indicate there are many people who are bisexual or who have bisexual potential out there, i think the new —— the move towards breaking down barriers between gay and straight is very positive and long overdue. this message is from smiley does not leave their name, i dated a bi month or three years, he demanded that i allowed him his right to have six with women while dating me. iasked him to right to have six with women while dating me. i asked him to tell his girlfriend he was dating a man, you could not. i see a relationship as being faithful, my bi man said i could have six with other men to evenit could have six with other men to even it out, i ended it. emelieze saidi even it out, i ended it. emelieze said i am a bisexual woman, even it out, i ended it. emelieze said i am a bisexualwoman, i even it out, i ended it. emelieze said i am a bisexual woman, i have come out to a couple of family members but feel i cannot start openly dating women or come out in
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any way at work because i believe my career would seriously as a young woman in the professional services sector, and because of some of the comments my colleagues make about the lgbt community, i feel it would my colleagues make about the lgbt community, ifeel it would be more difficult to progress as a bisexual woman. thank you all for coming in. coming up... tv and radio presenter richard bacon spent almost two weeks in intensive care this summer after being struck down by a mystery lung infection on a flight to the uk from la. the care he received on the nhs saved his life. he'll be with me to explain why he's calling for more funding for critical care. he willjoin us in the next half—hour. pharmacists have told this programme they're having to ration giving out life—saving epipens because of a global shortage. earlier this year, the usa issued a global warning about shortages of the injection called epipen. its a jab of adrenaline that can save someone's life when they're in shock from a severe allergy. the supplier, called mylan, says the issues are happening
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because catching—up with the demand is proving difficult. 0riginally it had only affected the injections that adults use, but now there's a shortage of the medicine for children too — with some schools saying kids who suffer serious allergies can't attend if there isn't a spare epipen in the building. there are some alternatives available, but the suppliers are small. and pharmacists have said there's been no clear information from the government and health authorities about when the problems might end. we can speak now to thorrun govind, a pharmacist from bolton, jo keeling, who's onlyjust received some epipens after waiting six weeks. jess hendon, whose daughter needs epipens to survive. helen stokes—lampard, who's the chair of the royal college of gps, and conservative mp dr carolinejohnson, who is a member of the health and social care committee. thank you all for talking to us. i
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wa nt to thank you all for talking to us. i want to start with jess, if i thank you all for talking to us. i want to start withjess, if i may. you have had quite a traumatic time with supplies running out for your six—year—old daughter. tell us about her and her allergies and why she relies on epipens? thanks for having me on the show. ella is six and has a severe nut allergy and is also allergic to milk. she leads to have to epipens on her at all times, meaning having two available in school and having all the staff trained, then we have epipens with us trained, then we have epipens with us whenever we trained, then we have epipens with us whenever we are trained, then we have epipens with us whenever we are with her. without those, if she comes into contact with peanuts in particular, she can have an anaphylactic reaction, which is life—threatening. it is very scary, with the prospect of not being able to get hold of epipens. how many pharmacists have you contacted how many pharmacists have you co nta cted to how many pharmacists have you contacted to try to get hold of more of them? i have probably spoken
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directly to nearly 20 pharmacists. initially back at the beginning of september i realised all of my daughter's epipens were due to expire at the end of september, so i went to get a prescription from the gp and it was only when i went to the first pharmacist to take the prescription for the regular epipens for ella that we realised we could not get hold of them and there was a shortage. and from there i quickly realised that this sounded a bit more serious and i was not convinced that the pharmacist would be able to source them from the limited information they were giving me. so i started ringing around pharmacies in the area, seeing if i could get hold of pens in that way, at that point occasional pharmacies had 150 micrograms, the child ren's point occasional pharmacies had 150 micrograms, the children's epipens. yet, and the saga continues. and people are getting in touch saying the same thing. paul has said i am really concerned, i have been trying to get one for my 11—year—old
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daughter with a dairy allergy, i have been to 11 pharmacies in swa nsea have been to 11 pharmacies in swansea with no luck. apparently kids get priority so a copy of the prescription has been faxed to the manufacturer this morning and we are awaiting a response. jo, how critical are they for you? very critical. i have allergies to nuts and latex, natural rubber. i carry two epipens with me at all times so the thought of not being able to have one is very distressing as you never know when you might need them. how serious is this? potentially very serious. anaphylaxis is a life—threatening form of allergy and people who genuinely suffer from it must carry two in date devices that all times. there are alternatives available. if you're struggling to
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get epipens then ask for an alternative prescription. they are basically the same drug in a slightly different device but you have to learn how to use the new device because they are used in a slightly different way, but there are brilliant online videos to help you. they are basically the same principles. are you having to ration epipens? it is a struggle to source epipens? it is a struggle to source epipens for patients. we are sending a copy of the prescription with the patient‘s details in order to be able to get a supply. where? to the wholesalers, to be able to get hold of that. it is a maximum of two epipens per prescription so we are asking patients when you're epipen
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is running out. we are advising you to let your gp now if you are running out as soon as possible. we have worried parents, worried sufferers, like we have heard today. the health care community is doing its best, ringing round to try to make sure we know who has stocks of what. there are alternatives available and pharmacists are ensuring that patients are aware of how to use those devices. the shelf life you have referred to as somebody has a epipen that is due to expire, once it has expired nobody should use that? at the moment the guidance is that as with any medicines you should not be using an epipen if it has expired. in america they are talking about expiry date as to when patients or whether they can continue to use them but at the
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moment the guidance is clear, you need an epipen that is in date. you are on the health select committee. can you help? i am a conservative mp but i am not on their health select committee. i apologise. i do but i am not on their health select committee. iapologise. ido not know if that would have been a promotion, but i apologise!m know if that would have been a promotion, but i apologise! it is very clear that the epipen in the case of a life—threatening allergy can be life—saving and it is important that patients have access to them. the supply problem is a commercial issue. but as the royal couege commercial issue. but as the royal college said that are alternatives available, so in peterborough dry iwork sometimes we use an alternative pen. these deliver the
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same dose of the same thing of adrenaline to people who might need it in event of an allergy so if patients are worried about access to a epipen they can approach their gp for a prescription for one of the alternatives. they are actually very similar. i visited a pharmacy in my constituency on friday and they are stalking an alternative instead and not having difficulties. is it as simple as that? not quite. we know because epipens are getting harder to source people are using the alternatives so that is going to be the same sorts of issues although hopefully not the same sort of dues as the epipens. it is not quite as straightforward as just swapping? u nfortu nately straightforward as just swapping? unfortunately not. i had a prescription and i was falling
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pharmacies. you take it for granted on the nhs. i thought it would be in tomorrow, it would not be a problem, but i constantly phoned ten different pharmacies for the epipens and asked for the prescription to be changed to an alternative and i noticed there were shortages with those as well. it so happened that when i found two alternatives i also found two epipens. while i appreciate that our easy—to—use it is something you have used several times, it is difficult to have another pen with another set of instructions because you have been so used to using this one that in time of emergency when you are stressed or not feeling well you wa nt to stressed or not feeling well you want to be familiar with the pen you are using. also for your family and friends who you have taught. although people are saying it is very simple it does cause quite a
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few problems. you said it is potentially the shortage of these thatis potentially the shortage of these that is a risk but you have said you canjust talk that is a risk but you have said you can just talk but it is not that easy. i was clear that you have to learn how to use them. it is vital that you watch the videos and get trained on how to use them because they are subtly different. in time of emergency when you are feeling sick that is the worst possible time to be learning how to use a new device. you must look at it in advance. as a health care professional to show you. ideally we would not be in this situation but shortage is with us and it is about people getting used to using at least one other type of device so they know how to use it and they have the confidence to do that and that applies to family and friends as well. my five-year-old son has multiple food allergy and i tried to
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get a back—up epipen and i cannot get a back—up epipen and i cannot get hold of it because of the shortage. my request was put in an at the beginning of the school term. ifiam at the beginning of the school term. if i am lucky we may get it by the end of september. suppliers need to get their act together. i am sure i am not the only man who feels like down. —— mum. richard bacon's life was saved this summer by emergency treatment he received at a nhs hospital in south london. he was put into a medically—induced coma for 11 days after experiencing breathing problems on a flight from the usa to britain. he says he almost died while in hospital. today he s raising awareness of what the faculty of intensive care medicine says is an imminent crisis in critical care — that's looking after the very sickest of patients, like richard was. you are here. you are alive! it is
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nice to be alive. this intensive ca re nice to be alive. this intensive care that you receive that saved your life, there is an issue? something like the fifth of intensive care units in the uk do not have enough staff, there is not enough resources, not enough doctors, not enough nurses, so they are closing beds. this is on top of the fact the uk has one of the lowest proportions, ratios, of beds in intensive care to population in europe. we are in a very bad place. as you pointed out, people in intensive care are the sickest people in our country. the welsh government is reviewing funding of intensive care. i think there needs to bea intensive care. i think there needs to be a review of intensive care funding across the rest of the uk.
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england, scotland and northern ireland. you are saying they need more cash. basically. i know that thatis more cash. basically. i know that that is true of much of the nhs and many government departments but it amazes me that intensive care feels overlooked. that there is not enough beds. that is when you are at the point between life and death. i was seconds away from dying. this is urgent. seconds away from dying. that is pretty dramatic. yes. it is a lot of bad luck. it remains you of how fallible we are. i live in america. i had believed something m, america. i had believed something in, igot america. i had believed something in, i got on the aeroplane and my timing was terrible, the pressurised cabin caused the infection which was in both lungs to explode and overwhelm my lungs. i got off the aeroplane, i was taken off in a
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wheelchair because i was feeling ill. because i am overly optimistic and that is a consequence of having adhd, iwas and that is a consequence of having adhd, i was like, i will be all right, i got the gym a lot, do not worry. 0bviously right, i got the gym a lot, do not worry. obviously going to the gym has no impact on having an infection. i waited has no impact on having an infection. iwaited hours has no impact on having an infection. i waited hours to go to a&e and a doctor shouted at me, if you cannot breathe, go to a&e. when i got to a&e at lewisham kicked off. very quickly they said we are going to have to put you in a medically induced, coma. i got there and it was the 70th birthday of the nhs and i was quite pleased to be there and i tweeted a joke about not liking to miss a party. i was still not taking it seriously. my breathing kept
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dropping off and they hooked me up to machines and gave me a breathing that standby wife was there and continuing the theme of optimism i said, do you think i will be able to make that lunch tomorrow? and she said, probably not. the lead co nsulta nt said, probably not. the lead consultant appeared and said, we have looked at your x—ray, it is horrible, you have to go into an in just coma otherwise you are probably going to die. and the gap was four minutes. i did not make the lunch!” know. i was it for your wife and children? terrible. she has been incredible. i do not know how she did it or how she coped but she managed. it is a lot to manage when your husband is in that state. they reassured me as i went into the
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coma. they said afterwards we expected you to dive. there was a point when my blood oxygen was so low i turned blue. they were waiting for cardiac arrest and at several points they thought i was going to die. she was living that in real time. ifound die. she was living that in real time. i found out die. she was living that in real time. ifound out when i woke up die. she was living that in real time. i found out when i woke up and it isa time. i found out when i woke up and it is a bit of an anecdote. it is different for me. i felt this immediate terrible guilt about what rebecca had just been through. for her every minute is an are. you are weighted by the phone. they said you need to understand your husband is critically ill. they said that over and over. when you are in a coma can you hear things? a lot of people ask
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that. staff seeks through. doctors would come in my room afterwards and i would recognise their voices and sometimes i would recognise phrases that they had used. stuff gets in. when you have a lung condition one of the drugs they used to put you to sleep is hallucinogenic and not in a good way! it gives you nightmares andi good way! it gives you nightmares and i remember thinking a nurse was trying to kill me, and when you come round from a coma a doctor has to sit down and unpick what was true and what was untrue. coming round from a coma was the worst day of my life. you did not know what was happening. i was scared. you are imagining things that are not really happening. i got violent at one point. i can remember not knowing why i was doing it, kicking my legs. there was a scene where i had a
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nurse on each leg and four people restraining me as someone put me into a second coma. they brought me out and they were like, he is not ready! they put me in for another two days. do you feel you have been given a second chance? i guess so. it changes you in lots of ways. i was really close to death, i have thought about how closely i tested my theory that there is no god. i did not see a white light, i am sorry to report back. it has made me lessjudgmental. i sorry to report back. it has made me less judgmental. i look sorry to report back. it has made me lessjudgmental. i look at sorry to report back. it has made me less judgmental. i look at all of humans as just being people trying to survive, get by and do their best, and if i see somebody do a bad job at something or somebody annoys me, ijust think job at something or somebody annoys me, i just think they have a job at something or somebody annoys me, ijust think they have a good heart, it is fine. you have been through a serious experience with the nhs and i am sure you have changed ways as well. i am much more
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positive about people and life and i think slightly more impatient to get the things done and i want to get done. the fact that life is finite is not conceptual any more, you know? it is real. it can end at any time. well, it didn't for you. thank goodness. it didn't. and i was saved by the nhs, you know? but hospital in 2012, jeremy hunt try to close down. the consultant said to me afterwards, if they close down that a&e, your next on would have been too far away and you would have died. when you go to lewisham a&e, it is not like it is not busy, you know? when you think of the violence and problems of south london right now, it seems ludicrous they would have one less hospital. i love and support the nhs but there are areas that desperately need more funding.
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i have a statement from the national clinical directorfor i have a statement from the national clinical director for clinical care at nhs england, critical networks have been set between hospitals to get patients the fastest possible ca re get patients the fastest possible care and we continue to improve the health service as part of a long—term plan for the nhs. anyone need of urgent care can unexceptional support richard experienced in lewisham and that millions of our other patients received every year. my lead consultant, this guy vic, he is the most professional person in any profession i have ever met, he was so good at his job. another doctor might have made another decision, he was truly exceptional. thank you. thank you exclamation good to see you. good to see you, and good just to be able to see! thank you, victoria. victims of domestic abuse and their children in england and wales are being put at risk because of a failure by probation officers to supervise offenders properly, according to a report published today. dame glenys stacey, the chief inspector of probation, has told this programme she has
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grave concerns about the work done by community rehabilitation companies and in some cases not enough is being done to rehabilitate offenders to keep victims safe. i spoke to her a little earlier today, and she gave me some examples of the kind of failings her investigation has found. we had an individual who was on a good evidence—based programme of work called building better relationships, but he was able to not complete the course by saying that he had other commitments, and that really wasn't tested. we really need to know if someone is leaving a course that there is a good and proper reason to do so rather than just being left on say so. so that was one poor example of work. another was where an individual moved back into the home of the person he had abused and that was allowed to happen, fair enough, but there was not a new risk assessment. when the circumstances of an individual change, you really need to look again at what the risks are looking like, and indeed in that situation we would have
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expected a home visit. at the very least. it really does help to get in there and see what is happening, who is living there, are there any children? have a chance to speak to the partner actually and see how the land lies. it is really important to do a proper in—depth assessment of risk and that simply was not happening. without that, what are the potential threats to the partner and any children in the family home? the threats are pretty obvious. we are talking about a large—scale issue here. about a quarter of a million offenders each year are supervised by probation. about half of them are domestic abuse perpetrators, so this is a large number of perhaps the most common thing that probation is dealing with, and if you do not protect victims sufficiently well there is an increased risk of yet another incident happening. often these behaviours are ingrained in people and it takes purposeful intervention to get them to think differently and think again about the way they are living their lives. but of course daily you have women —
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and, indeed, men — afraid of attack of one sort of another. and children witnessing that and frightened themselves as well. and sometimes the subject of abuse themselves. so this is an insidious problem. and the tragedy of this is that more can be done, so much more can be done. so why aren't the private community rehabilitation companies, who you have singled out for criticism today and have said they're not protecting victims enough, why aren't they doing this, which is really basic? it is. so there are a number of things that we have identified. firstly staff are not sufficiently trained, they are not expert in this, and it's not an amateur game. they really do need to be properly trained, given the right tools, if you like, to do the right thing. secondly, they are pressured for time and i've reported on that enough times in recent years. but as i said earlier, things like visiting the victim at home are so important, and companies need to find the time, really, for staff to
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do the right thing. and then last year i mentioned this building better relationships programme... which is an abuse prevention programme where perpetrators go on to stop them committing violence and so on? exactly. it is accredited and it is evidence based. judges and magistrates when they are scenting an individualfor a domestic abuse type crime can specifically order that the probation company deliver that course for that individual. —— when they are sentencing. those orders have registered by 12% in the last year. they have been reducing over recent years and that needs to turn around. i really hope the judges and magistrates can think again about the right types of sentencing here. probation officers said there workload of up to 60 complex cases each and a lack of training made it hard for them to be effective. the relevant minister rory stewart, the prisons and probation minister, said the government was taking decisive
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action by ending the contracts of these particular private community and rehabilitation companies early by 2020. do you think the contract should be ended before that? this is a complex business that requires probably european tendering. i am not surprised that is going to take a couple of years to make a transition from 21 companies down to ten. with restructured contracts. there is an opportunity to be cast these contracts to make it much more clear what is expected in these sorts of cases. but that said, my point is that things need to happen in the meantime, so the government can for example develop a strategy for domestic abuse probation services. it is not there at the moment. it can put pressure on these companies to improve their training for staff and certainly the national probation service that provides advice to courts can be more clear more often when it is appropriate to order building better relationships programme attendance. the chief inspector of probation,
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dame glenys stacey. the government has decided that eu citizens should face the same immigration rules as those from elsewhere in the world. that is after brexit. it follows a recommendation from the independent migration advisory committee, which was also backed by labour. it means any immigration system will be based on skills rather than nationality. that is also backed by labour. however, there are fears that a bar on low—skilled eu migrants may damage business. let's get the thoughts ofjohn hardman — you may remember him from our special brexit programme last week. he's one of a group of people affected by brexit who we willl be following over the coming months and years. he voted leave, but he's worried about brexit because he owns an agency recruiting seasonal workers for the agricultural industry, 99% of which are eu nationals. hello, thank you for talking to us
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again. how do you react to the decision at eu workers will be treated the same as workers wanting to come from outside the eu? treated the same as workers wanting to come from outside the 5mm treated the same as workers wanting to come from outside the eu? it is really, really concerning because at the moment there is no tier three workers in that document, so that means there are no low skilled workers whatsoever. it looks like we're heading towards a hard brexit, come the end of march it will mean we will have no access to labour whatsoever to pick our fruit and vegetables. but according to our political correspondent, he has reported today there might be a light touch immigration system for eu citizens which in the end might mean seasonal workers can come on six—month visas, for example? mean seasonal workers can come on six-month visas, for example? the government has already announced a seasonal agricultural workers programme, that is really encouraging, but that is only 2500 people. our industry needs 60,000 people, the light touch seems like more political rhetoric at the
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moment. and this focus which again was recommended by the independent committee last week, this focus in the future of allowing more high skilled workers, how do you react to that? that is fantastic if we will have high skilled workers coming to pick ourfruit have high skilled workers coming to pick our fruit and vegetables. i appreciate we need doctors, nurses and skilled people in it, for instance, but we seem to forget there are many crops that are still picked by hand, we have a month to go until halloween and the majority if not all of the pumpkins seen in our supermarkets will have been picked by e u citizens. do you think another political party could sort things out? the positioning by the labour party is encouraging that there is some credible words from an opposition party, which seems to be quite late in the day, however i wonder if it is just cheap vote buying? thanks for coming on the
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programme, john. that's it for today's programme. before we hand over to bbc newsroom live, a quick update on our coverage of the contaminated blood scandal. you might have seen a film we ran on friday last week about people who received blood transfusions in the 19705 and 805. this morning we received this message from one viewer who didn't want to be named, saying: "i had a postnatal transfusion in 1984 and am currently waiting for a blood test after the information on your programme." and we understand following over coverage, the helpline run by the hepatisis c trust has taken more than 30 calls from people who think they may have been infected. —— the hepatitis c trust. thanks again everyone for getting in touch. 0n the subject of bisexuality, i asked you what it is like to be bi in britain in 2018. this person does not leave their name, i am bisexual and in my experience i have found
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the harshest biphobia i have experienced was from within the lg btq experienced was from within the lgbtq community and mostly from lesbian women. this is not to say i have not experienced biphobic comments from hedgerow normative people, too. i don't even know what that means but i can make an educated guess —— hetero normative. some people have assumed because i am bi some people have assumed because i ambii some people have assumed because i am bi i could not be monogamous. i am bi i could not be monogamous. i am married to a man. a friend of a friend asked me, you are bisexual but marrying a boy, how does that work?! thank you for all of those. tomorrow we will bring you a special on hernia mesh, because over the last 18 months or so, as you will know, we have concentrated a lot on the join or mash, but her kneel mesh is also an issue and we will bring you some are not —— we have concentrated
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a lot on vaginal mash, but hernia mesh is also an issue. thank you, we will speak to you tomorrow. good morning. it may have started off rather chilly this morning but we have had lots of sunshine so far across england and wales, which will continue into the afternoon. some fairly light winds, the sunshine will feel quite pleasant. further north and west, more cloud across scotla nd north and west, more cloud across scotland and northern ireland, rain pushing across most of scotland. there will be some gales also severe gales in the far north—west, gusts of 50 or 60 mph. temperatures around 14 or 15
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of 50 or 60 mph. temperatures around 14 or15 in of 50 or 60 mph. temperatures around 14 or 15 in the north west, towards the south—east feeling warmer than yesterday, 17 or 18. quite a bit of cloud across scotland and northern ireland tonight, outbreaks of rain and wind but it prevents temperatures from falling away. still double figures across the north, in the south with clear skies, temperatures dropping away sharply down to about six to 8 degrees. still quite cloudy into wednesday, some rain across scotland and northern ireland, another sunny day for england and wales and a bit warmer, temperaturesjust day for england and wales and a bit warmer, temperatures just about getting into the 20s. goodbye. this is bbc news, i'm joanna gosling. these are the top stories developing at 11am. we are going to take you straight to
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the labour party conference where the labour party conference where the party's brexit spokesman is giving a speech on labour's brexit position. applause conference, the last two years has not been easy. like many of you, i was devastated by the result of the referendum. like many of you, i had campaigned, i had voted to remain. applause not for the technical benefits of membership, important though they are. but because

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