indonesia says the number of people killed by friday's earthquake and tsunami could rise to thousands. nearly 400 people are known to have died but there's been no word yet from the city at the quake‘s epicentre, donggala, which is home to 300,000 people. a woman in the far east of russia has told the bbc she recognises one of the key suspects in the salisbury novichok attack as a decorated military officer. the bbc travelled to a village east of moscow where he grew up to verify research carried out by the bellingcat investigative website. elon musk has agreed to stand down as chairman of the electric car—maker tesla and pay a $20 million fine. the case stems from a tweet in which he said he wanted to take the company back into private hands. now on bbc news, dateline london. hello and a very warm welcome to

dateline london. i amjane hill. it is party conference season here in britain. we are going to look at labour's week and forward to the conservatives‘. we labour‘s week and forward to the conservatives‘. we will also turn stateside touk see the bitter divisions —— to see the bitter divisions —— to see the bitter divisions about the nominee for the supreme court. stephanie baker, senior writer at bloomberg news. mark roche, corresponded for france‘s magazine and many years at la monde as well. alex deane is with us la monde as well. alex deane is with us and a warm welcome to all of you. jeremy corbyn told the labour faithful eating in liverpool that he

was ready to rebuild a divided country put up e—commerce to renationalise the railways and create 400,000 jobs in the green economy. elegance also voted to keep options open when it comes to brexit. —— delegates voted. political watchers spoked with more confidence competitor year before. —— spoke with. will the mood be similar among the conservatives about to meet in london? brexit is the inevitable backdrop and boris johnson has stuck his neck in just before curtain up. lets take time to discuss labour as well first of all. the conference that has been and gone. we might have renationalised ra i lwa ys gone. we might have renationalised railways in the uk. some of us are old enough to remember. which --i think renationalisation, deep investment in public services, more power to the unions and so forth and so on. power to the unions and so forth and so on. investment. the problem is,

how do you finance that? that is the wea kness how do you finance that? that is the weakness of the labour plan which on paper is really good for the future of this country but how do you finance it? if you stop austerity, it had to increase tax. the paul won‘t pay tax, the rich won‘t pay tax, it will be on the middle—class and adding that is what labour is doing you cannot win an election without the middle—class, by taxing them. —— the poor won‘t tax. without the middle—class, by taxing them. -- the poor won't tax. labour will say those plans are there, in the manifesto. british public opinion wants a cost. it is finished the time when you spend, spend, spend, like in 1983. you know what happened to michael foot, he went to a resounding defeat. the financing is not there. he didn'tjust a he would renationalise rail, but water, energy, postal service. this is a huge amount of money and not only would they say they will nationalise

all of those things and prove that states are better that running those things in the, he furthermore said, they wanted to compel companies to give 10% of their value to their workers. companies over a certain size, i think. workers. companies over a certain size, ithink. let's workers. companies over a certain size, i think. let's think about international investment. if you are thinking about investing in country a, b, thinking about investing in country a,b,c thinking about investing in country a, b, cor thinking about investing in country a, b, c orthat uk and in the uk you need to dilute your business by 10%, over and above what you pay for them, are you more likely to invest in the uk or country a, b, c? of course it makes investment in our country less likely. even the threat of it makes it less likely, let alone doing it. it would cripple british business. would it, stephanie? i would say i would agree. you can impose something like this on companies and companies wouldn't react in some way. they wouldn't, for instance, cut dividends. it is really a backdoor

tax on companies and why not do it, you know, if they want to give workers more say over pay, for instance, it would lead to do that. it would lead to companies rethinking their investments in the uk and perhaps thinking of delisting and going elsewhere. but there are plenty of people out there who increasingly supportjeremy plenty of people out there who increasingly support jeremy corbyn who say it why do we always start from the point of what businesses want? that is true. let‘s talk about real people who are seeing wages stagnate. the battle is also that these companies that are going to be, according to labour's plans, nationalised, they are extremely inefficient in providing terrible services to customers for many years. labour is targeting a popular need with the way the rails are

going to be run —— are being run. the way that people are being ripped off by the ukip —— utilities. it is also an idea that the british vote fio also an idea that the british vote no longer buys. the whole question about tax, there is a strong argument to be made about how the top do not pay sufficient tax. they do not invest sufficiently in their companies. a lot of the investment is done by the state from technology, science, innovation and so on. technology, science, innovation and so on. all of that is done by the state so it is about time there is a bit of a payback. another thing that is important to remember, in the 19905, is important to remember, in the 1990s, labour introduced a windfall tax on privatised utilities to fund welfare reform. they were extremely popular, those ideas, and effective.

we were talking about labour‘s plans to compel businesses to create more shares and give them to their workers. your defence met —— —— your defence was to defend denationalisation. what about the idea, giving them out to your workforce, more likely to make businesses leave the uk?|j workforce, more likely to make businesses leave the uk? i don't know! i think the proposals are not sufficiently details. there is four years ahead to the next election. this is a conversation. the cost of some of the labour plans they have outlined, is that the best way to spend money? it is not about whether the state is spending more but is that the best way to spend the money? would it be better to spending on infrastructure spending?

that is owned by the private sector, the infrastructure. the amount of money the british taxpayer has given to private utilities to private rail operators and so on, and think it is a good time to call bluffer. we have already proved we could spend the whole programme discussing that. i wa nt to whole programme discussing that. i want to look ahead because the conservatives are about to meet in birmingham. marx, how do you view the week ahead? we have had a huge intervention began from the former and secretary, deliberately timed. how do you view the prospects?” think theresa may, from my point of view, is in a strong position because she is the only one who can deliver an agreement on brexit, to have soft brexit, and to have an agreement with the european union. sorry about that, i set soviet

union. to deliver that and she has this motherless argument, it is me oi’ this motherless argument, it is me orjeremy corbyn. ——i said. all the other candidates are either possible candidates to the leadership, either on tried or borisjohnson and for someone on tried or borisjohnson and for someone who is very attached to defence of the morality, how can you have serial adulterer as prime minister? i don‘t get it. have serial adulterer as prime minister? i don't get it. pro brexit, hard brexit tories who do not want checkers and 40 pro remain tory mps who don't want this super canada. idid tory mps who don't want this super canada. i did know how she gets herself out of that besides doing what many think is a giant fai judd ora kind of what many think is a giant fai judd or a kind of blind brexit where she

comes up or a kind of blind brexit where she comes up with a vaguely worded political statement that anyone can kind of spin as they have won. i think it is impossible. there is no parliamentary majority for either. it would be very hard for her to even get a fudge through because it is attached to this high price divorce bill, £39 billion. is that all we are getting in exchange, if there is no uncertain future and there is no uncertain future and there is no uncertain future and there is a true question... luna there is a true question... luna there is a true question... luna there is no other choice for britain. -- there is no other choice stopper britain wants to leave. written is not prepared, britain is divided and europe is united. —— britain. due think macron would have signed up —— do you think. will he rele nt signed up —— do you think. will he relent on that? only way alt could be stopped by a macron. -- the only

way could be stopped by emmanuel macron. what will theresa may say? only one of us has got of book out about britain's success. well, you can't go half, you are a rack sit here now. -- brexiteer. no, i am not. at the centre was a stage upon which things were played out. in labour, issues were debated and there were real policy arguments will stop now, of course, there is so will stop now, of course, there is so much will stop now, of course, there is so much pressure on will stop now, of course, there is so much pressure on theresa may for the speech to go right. every single co nfe re nce the speech to go right. every single conference is the most important speech but this really is crunch time. whereas in labour, the big at all was between basically the unions on the one hand and momentum on the

other, for control of the hall. there was all of this energy and basically momentum is won. the sea of palestinian flags and conference hall was united. we want to know what theresa may have to do in her conference speech now. is her option, as stephanie outlined, what will she say? she needs a very low bar. she needs her voice not to go, her stage not to collapse around her, she needs... she will still have to say something about brexit. she will say something about the checkers agreement. god bless her, she has really stuck to her guns. i think people will look back and see her resilience. —— thank god she was really not campaigning on either side of the brexit debate. —— chequers. stephanie is right, she has pressures on both wings but any

other person would have had one of those wings over balancing. she has pulled it off. pulled what off? what are we getting towards? we have an eu summit in november.” are we getting towards? we have an eu summit in november. i think the outcome is that we leave in march on something akin to the chequers agreement. my point is, fog brexiteers like me, —— for brexiteers, there may be another referendum. that is the biggest danger. it still gets stymied. we have less than six months to go... what is wrong with a second vote?” wa nt what is wrong with a second vote?” want you in. younis, your thoughts... she is quite isolated.

she has shown incredible resilience and stood her ground. she has the party behind her, the members and vote rs party behind her, the members and voters are behind her. they cannot foresee anyone else negotiating brexit in better terms than the one she will negotiate. no one knows what the terms will be, it will be a fudge, the eu is terribly good at producing fudges and that is the kind of fudge that will let us through march. there will come a moment where britain has really to decide what kind of relationship it wants with the european union. this can't go on for years and this is, for europeans, becoming increasingly frustrating because we have been discussing britain's —— since 2010. this has dominated so many european summits. it has to stop. britain has to choose what kind of relationship... your final point, mark. there's gration reform,

eastern europe. to be fair, the brexit agreement will be easy to do. —— migration reform. brexit agreement will be easy to do. -- migration reform. the conservative party conference is this week which means we can take stock in one week‘ to. political divisions have been laid well and truly bear on capitol hill in the past few days, watched by more than 20 million americans on television, as the senatejudiciary committee questioned president trump‘s nominee to the supreme court. there were powerful scenes as the committee heard from christine blasey ford, a university professor who is one of three women who have accused brett kavanaugh of three women who have accused brett kava naugh of sexual assault. three women who have accused brett kavanaugh of sexual assault. the nominee himself was often aggressive and angry in his questioning that followed. the division between republicans and democrats in response to the testimonies was stark. stephanie, as we go to air, it looks like we have a one week delay. there will be some sort of fbi investigation. whatever that

throws up, it seems the last few days on capitol hill were really on edifying. yeah, i think it was emotionally wrenching for everybody who watched that. i think it is incredibly difficult to predict how this will play out, i think. even with a one week delay in the fbi investigation, that is not a long time to get to the bottom of what happened 36 years ago. it is unrealistic to think that they will come up with some ring that could change the outcome. the issue is if somebody else comes forward in the meantime, which gives more credibility to what is already widely accept that as a very credible testimony by christine blasey ford. —— accepted. that makes it harderfor some of blasey ford. —— accepted. that makes it harder for some of the moral blasey ford. —— accepted. that makes it harderfor some of the moral —— more moderate republican senators, lisa murkowski of alaska and susan collins of maine, to vote against kavanaugh. i think it is really, they are both under a huge amount of

pressure on this, to get this right. and you will see from the polls that have come out more recently that republican women are dropping in support for kavanaugh dramatically, i think they have dropped about 18%. and is your point that republicans, lawmakers, following those polls, and actually, is that having any resonance with them ? and actually, is that having any resonance with them? will that be the ultimate decision? the worried about how this will play out in the midterms. they don‘t want republican women to stay at home, because they are so disgusted with what happened. and i think for many women who watched ford‘s testimony, it all rain too true. it sounded right. —— rang too true. nobody could imagine why a woman would come forward with a story like this. she has no motivation. it has come at a tremendous personal cost. she is dead certain it was him. she has come back with a counter testimony

that was, you know, he was understandably angry, but he was unhinged and uncontrolled, and many people are now seeing that that was an unbecoming demeanour for a supreme courtjustice. an unbecoming demeanour for a supreme court justice. because an unbecoming demeanour for a supreme courtjustice. because he was so ebay said, and he kicked back questions, particularly one question toa questions, particularly one question to a female senator. —— he was so ebay said. he said, do you have a jinking problem. he looked more like a petulant teenager than eight supreme courtjustice. he is already a judge and he has gone through many investigations in the past to reach that point, as the republicans are keen to remind us. is there anybody who thinks in terms of this nomination, somebody is innocent until proven guilty, whatever the charge? i do. i'm surprised by the way this discussion has gone, because you believe in the presumption of innocence. well, i don‘t think you can get to the bottom of this in a week. i think the fact that he resisted having fbi investigation, eight times he was

offered, why not get the fbi to investigate? if there is nothing to this, why doesn‘t he want to clear his name? that is proper due process , his name? that is proper due process, to have a proper investigation. why is he worried about it. that is remarkable, to say this is proper due process. as i understand it, the democrats had a letter from august, sat on it, so she wanted to have these hearings privately, which i think would have made more sense, given the allegations. she did not want her letter released... i completely understand about. she had control over it. she had no problem with the way they are stone... you think she released it? the suggestion is the democrats leaked it. we don't know who leaked it, but diane feinstein has denied her office was involved in the league. crosstalk. wait, wait. mark, briefly. at the end of the day, you cannot have a supreme judge with a rape accusation hovering over him. you know, the

wife of caesar has to be above suspicion. this is the supreme court. what i find so extraordinary is that we are shifting the discussion from a traumatic experience of a woman, and we are questioning the voracity —— veracity, whether her memory was failing or she has an ulterior motive, and asserting the presumption of innocence, of course yea rs presumption of innocence, of course years entitled to that, he has a presumption of innocence, well, the attack dogs that were launched against doctor ford were very undignified. the optics of that vote we re undignified. the optics of that vote were absolutely terrible. this was gilead. this was an image out of gilead, and we are in 2018. scary. when you say, of course i believe in the presumption of innocence, but, what you really mean is, i don't believe in the presumption of innocence. why is doctor ford not

also given that? she is not being accused of something. she is. she is being accused of lying. she is being accused of having an all teary emotive. there is no way we are going to get to the bottom of it unless proper time is given to investigate the allegations, and i don't understand, if he does not wa nt don't understand, if he does not want this cloud hanging over him for the next 30 or 40 years he is on the court, that really, why not go through a proper investigation, and we can come to... crosstalk. they have been saying, you could have had, i interviewed a republican on friday, who said you could have had a long stay, not the one week we are looking at right now, the best thing to do for the due process would be to do for the due process would be to have a very, very long stay. there is no harm done. you don‘t need to have this newjustice in place immediately. then it totally clears the air and it is a proper process. and they still have time to get anotherjustice process. and they still have time to get another justice through process. and they still have time to get anotherjustice through before january. there is no need to rush this. mark, that is... with this

accusation, we cannot have somebody accused of being a rape is on the supreme court. at is precisely what happened with clarence thomas, who had to defend his name in the senate in much the same way, that he has been a finejustice. in much the same way, that he has been a fine justice. that is questionable. lets talk more broadly about the supreme court and why so many people have been watching and so many people have been watching and so “— many people have been watching and so —— and why this is so significant. the point is, obviously, it is a presidential nominee. that is how the system works. talk us through the balance of the supreme court and why this is so gripping for people in the united states, because again, it is an appointment for life and this is about where could be supreme court 90, about where could be supreme court go, whether it ends up being brett kavanaugh or somebody else. well, it is such a big rattle, because kavanaugh, if confirmed, would replace just as kennedy, kavanaugh, if confirmed, would replacejust as kennedy, who kavanaugh, if confirmed, would replace just as kennedy, who for decades was the swing vote on the court, and kept the court more or less balanced between conservative and liberal. through a number of decisions. if kavanaugh is confirmed

he would solidify a conservative majority for decades to come. and that means that issues that would come before the court, such as the rights of labour unions, gun rights, and importantly, the states‘ ability to restrict abortion would come before the court. and he would be the crucial vote on these issues. we have already seen, with the confirmation of neil gorsuch, trump‘s last pick for the supreme court, he was the crucial vote, and there were some very important decisions, on labour rights and regular tree issues, and i think thatis regular tree issues, and i think that is why this is so big. this is the first time in years we are going to have a conservative, a solid conservative majority on the supreme court that could change laws for decades to come. yes, but in the end, your position might be that this is what happens with this justice, let's get anotherjustice. how can we expect anything other, if

these tricks works, then to say the nextjustice will these tricks works, then to say the next justice will have allegations about him or her, about things that happened 30 years ago, can't say where all when, to torpedo their nomination as well, until the get some be more to the left. neil gorsuch was confirmed and there was none of this. but now, on your basis, we are going to see this work. there is no evidence that christine blasey ford is part of some bureaucratic conspiracy. the real problem with kavanaugh now with that in his testimony on thursday he ripped into that democratic party... how would you feel, if they were saying unto things about you? he was saying unto things about you? he was saying it was a hitjob. if he is concerned he has now shown a partisanship that is very unbecoming for a supreme court justice partisanship that is very unbecoming for a supreme courtjustice and it really questions his ability to rule impartially. mark, as an outside observer, if i can put it that way, asa observer, if i can put it that way, as a non—american, what did you think, just watching what went on on capitol hill, what went through your mind? i think america at the moment is so divided between conservative and liberal, but i agree completely

with stephanie. of course, you know, in france, you do not have a supreme court with such importance in the social domain, you know? like abortion. yes, that is a distinction. it is a big distinction. it is a big distinction. that is why it is so terrifying to have someone who has a suspicion, i can put it, if he did it or not, a suspicion of rape above his head. as stephanie said, we can have another conservative, but at least two is clean. if you agree with stephanie, i can ask both of you, what could he possibly have done or said that he satisfied you, once this allegation, which we apparently must leave, once this allegation is made. is itjust the case that once the allegation is made, it must be bullied than the person is finished. have the fbi, he should say, i want the fbi to look at this. it is i believe i an innocent and i believe the fbi investigation will prove my innocence. christine blasey ford has said she was in a e! investigation. why is he so resistant? a final

thought from you, as well, on the point of the importance of the supreme court and why the next appointment matters so much. well, because of the reasons stephanie already mentioned. it is an extremely important position. it is a position for a very long time. a position which, to a certain extent, isa position which, to a certain extent, is a barometer of morale at the in the united states. it is a very long period of time. and to have a supreme court justice who period of time. and to have a supreme courtjustice who has this cloud hanging over him, and a demeanour which frankly demeans the office that he is about to represent, it doesn't look good. so you must be sareen about these things. would you be?” you must be sareen about these things. would you be? i am not a candidate to the supreme court of the united states. this is the point. and this debate will continue, probably around this table for the next few minutes, but i am afraid that our time is up on dateline london this week. plenty more to discuss at the same time next week. join us if you can. have

a good week. goodbye. hello there. this was how the weather ended yesterday after a sunny day. what a beautiful sunset ca ptu red sunny day. what a beautiful sunset captured by crazy swan lady in the norfolk area stop hopefully we will have a decent sunrises well across east anglia, the midlands, south—east england, ahead of this approaching weather front. clear skies at the moment. the front itself the air will be turning a bit cooler as we go through sunday. that will knock one degree or so off the temperatures. it will feel perhaps a little on the chilly side across the north and west of scotland, on account of the brisk winds that will continue to feed in blustery showers here on and off through the day. more cloud to go around for northern ireland, england and wales, but

there will still be bright or sunny spells coming and going through the day. increasingly, through the afternoon, the risk of a few showers on the north coast of northern ireland, one to sneaking down the irish sea to affect the isle of man north—west england, and northern wales. otherwise it is a fine day with some sunny spells in temperatures as high as 15. that‘s your latest weather. hello and welcome to bbc news. hello. this is bbc world news. i‘m martin stanford. strong aftershocks have continued to hit the indonesian island of sulawesi, where an earthquake and tsunami on friday killed hundreds of people. the indonesian vice president has warned the number killed could rise to thousands. nearly 400 are known to have died just in the city of palu. rescuers have yet to reach the neighbouring coastal district of donggala, which is home to 300,000 people. rebecca henschke reports from the island of sulawesi.