hello, it's tuesday, it's nine o'clock. i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. today, the families of five children in surrey are taking the county council to the high court to try and stop them taking £20 million out of the special needs budget. we have spoken to two boys, and their mums, who told us how they and others like them would be affected. it is taking away a child's future, kind of, it is taking away the opportunity to give them support and things to help them learn. how can you fight for what the children need if you are cutting money which is giving them what they need and trying to give kids which don't have the stuff what they need? if you or your children have been affected by similar cuts, let us know. middle class drug users will be targeted as part of a crackdown on violent crime, the government says. the met‘s top cop has said too many people think taking cocaine at parties is a victimless crime.

and are high street chains reacting quickly enough to the death of natasha ednan—laperouse, who had an allergic reaction to a pret a manger baguette? the government has launched an urgent review. we have obviously to look at this issue. we have to look at responsibility of individual companies as well. we've found at least one high street chain which is still not labelling allergens on products made on site. hello. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we're talking about the planned new crackdown which will be announced by the home secretary later on middle—class people who take drugs. is that you? sajid javid will ask if you have considered the impact of what you do on the drugs trade and

gang—related knife crime? that is the link the home secretary will make a later. if you take o'kane recreationally in your own time, let me know what you think. —— if you ta ke me know what you think. —— if you take cocaine. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today... the prime minister has promised to deliver an immigration policy that will take back control of the uk's borders and deliver on the result of the eu referendum. theresa may said that after brexit, low—skilled immigration will fall under a new visa system where it is workers' skills that matter, not where they come from. our political guru norman smith is at the conference in birmingham. what will the reaction be to these plans, norman? already we're hearing

from the business community, who are deeply alarmed. what mrs may is setting out is a complete overhaul of the immigration system, getting rid of freedom of movement, so it means in future eu migrants will no longer be able to come here to look for work and claim benefits, to use the nhs. like everybody else in the world they will have to get a visa and probably has to be applying for and probably has to be applying for a skilled post paying more than £50,000 a year. what is really worrying businesses is notjust the additional bureaucracy involved in that but the impact on low skilled migration. because part of the plan is to drive down low skilled migration. but as we know... (inaudible) construction industry, hospitality, food processing and so on. there is real anxiety about what it will mean

for them in terms of, bluntly, job vacancies. team may say they will train british recruits to do the job, but the question is whether there will be any temporary exceptions for businesses to get that act together, leeway to allow them to carry on recruiting low skilled eu migrants until they can train of british workers? even then, many of them question, we have record levels of employment, whether there will simply be british workers able and willing to do those jobs. as for mrs may, this morning she said it is all about meeting her brexit commitment to take back control. the policy that we are announcing today, our future immigration policy, delivers on the result of the referendum, it takes back control of our borders, it ensures that free movement cotties to an end once and for all and we will be deciding who can come into this country.

but we recognise the point that you've made, that businesses say that there are skills that they need that they need to bring into this country. so the new system is going to be based not on where people come from but on what they can contribute to our economy, the skills that they have. now, of course, we're also working as a government to ensure that we're building up the skills of young people here in the uk, but our new immigration policy is, crucially, going to ensure free movement ends. it won't be... ..and who can come here will be determined by their contribution to our economy, not by where they come from. so that's the prime minister. the home secretary is due to give his speech later and will talk about a crackdown on middle—class drug users? there is a view that basically the police have, by and large, not focused on middle—class drug abuse. they have been focused on poorer communities and just turned a blind eye, almost, too, if

you like, white—collar drug use. sajid javid will say that is not a cce pta ble sajid javid will say that is not acceptable and he will order a review of who actually is using drugs, where do they come from, are theyin drugs, where do they come from, are they in particular professions and backgrounds? that is in order to target police resources more effectively. he will say it marks a fundamental gear change from a system which has had a rather blase attitude towards middle—class drug abuse. that will involve a review, we don't know what will follow on from that he wants clarity about how prevalent drug abusers amongst professionals and middle classes. more from norman later. if you might describe yourself as a middle—class drug user, let me know what drugs you use and what you think of what the home secretary will argue in his speech later. let's bring you the rest of the morning's news with joanna. good morning.

officials in indonesia say the death toll from friday's devastating earthquake and tsunami has risen to more than 1,200. there's growing anger over indonesia's response. survivors are facing a fifth day without water or power. the united nations says up to 200,000 people are in desperate need of aid, but rescue workers are still struggling to reach them. the uk government is sending £2 million to help with the relief effort. jenny kumah reports. homes and lives destroyed in palu. the survivors are facing their fifth day without power and water. around a8,000 people have nowhere to live. but, amid the despair, there is hope. after days under the rubble, rescuers managed to release this man from his concrete tomb. the authorities have confirmed there was a fault with the tsunami detection system. a warning was sent out, but it appears to have underestimated the scale of the waves, and many didn't get the alerts because of power cuts.

when the flooding hit, this mother picked up her two children and ran. translation: we were running for our lives, the waves chasing us. it's like a bad dream. when is help going to arrive? when will the government pay attention to us? rescuers face a massive task, especially in trying to reach remote areas. foreign aid is on its way. the military has put on flights to help with the rescue of thousands trying to flee the disaster zone. 0thers board commercial flights trying to flee the disaster zone. 0thers board commercialflights at the small damaged airport in palu. a group of mothers are going to the high court to challenge surrey county council's proposed cut to its special needs and disability budget. the women all have disabled children, and theirjudicial review will contend that they should have been consulted on the planned

£21 million cuts. surrey county council says its focus is to make sure children get the support they need. they've been talking to this programme. 15—year—old dominic had this message to the council. he has autism. how can you fight for what the children need if you are cutting all the money that they need? if they went around my school or any schools that receives sen funding and saw the help that the kids get, and what it would be like if they did not have it, realistically they would not be looking at trying back. it just doesn't logistically work—out. and you can see that discussion in full in a few minutes' time. a senior italian scientist who said the field of physics "was invented and built by men" has

been suspended from working with the european nuclear research centre, cern. professor alessa nd ro strumia made the remarks during a presentation to a group of mainly female physicists in geneva, claiming the industry now looked more favourably on women than men. cern has said his presentation was unacceptable, while professor strumia has stood by his remarks — which he says are backed up by simple research. an extra £240 million of emergency funding will be spent on the social care system to ease pressure on the nhs this winter. health secretary matt hancock will tell the conservative party conference he hopes the money will free up hospital beds by helping older people get home more quickly when they're medically ready to leave. the local government association welcomed the extra money but said short term funding solutions weren't the answer. the charity save the children says suspected cholera cases in yemen have almost tripled since june. it coincides with escalating fighting in the country's ongoing civil war, which began three years ago and has claimed

more than 10,000 lives. the children's charity has renewed calls for a ceasefire from all sides. a budget airline that began offering long—haul flights from uk airports to the us earlier this year has collapsed. the icelandic—owned primera airline ceased all operations at midnight, with many passengers stranded and unsure of alternative travel options. flights to washington and new york due to leave stansted on monday night were grounded and passengers have been told not to go to the airport on tuesday. here is our transport correspondent tom burridge. maras started in 2003, probably a scandinavian version of thomas cook chartered flights. —— primera started in 2003. it changed its business plan, which ultimately went wrong. it was running flights primarily from the uk, for example from sta nsted and primarily from the uk, for example from stansted and birmingham until

august, and from manchester, to destinations around europe. but in mavi outline basically announced it would start running a transatlantic routes. it is a small outline which had roughly ten aircraft. ryanair has around the 400 mark, easyjet close to 300. it was small, it ran about 90 routes and went for a very ambitious business plan which was to ta ke ambitious business plan which was to take on the likes of norwegian, which are running cheap flights across the atlantic, but ultimately it failed. mike ashley's firm has sacked the senior management at house of fraserjust weeks after it bought the department store chain. sports direct paid £90 million for the uk's 58 branches back in august. the company said the dismissals followed calls for an investigation into the circumstances of the retailer's collapse. protesters have clashed with police in barcelona as thousands took to the streets to mark the one—year anniversary of the contested referendum on independence. demonstrators obstructed major roads in barcelona before police used tear gas to break up a demonstration. catalonia held the vote last year

and its separatist government declared independence. but spain's constitutional court deemed the referendum illegal and madrid imposed direct rule. serious stomach upsets may be one of the greatest obstacles to deep space travel according to nasa scientists. new research suggests radiation exposure on a trip to mars or beyond could significantly damage astronauts' internal organs permanently, and may even lead to cancer. scientists hope medicines which counteract the effects will be developed in the future. tom hanks, beyonce and ed sheeran have all done it — but how's this for a famous photo—bomb? sir paul mccartney came together with this canadian couple taking pictures for their wedding. the former beatle was in winnipeg, for a concert when he passed the couple while on a bike ride. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9:30. thank you very much.

do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive — and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. you can also contact us by e—mail and facebook. a big night of champions league action and the focus is onjose mourinho? we say that a lot. the club has now endured their worst start to the season for 29 years. and speculating this morning that a loss to valencia tonight would mean the end of mourinho's time at old trafford. well, yesterday in another eventful press conference, he was forced to field questions about his future, his players and his supposed successor zinedine zidane. and that was a question put to him by a spanish journalist about a report that zidane had called him to reassure him that he didn't want his job. lucky for mourinho the journalist

who wrote that story was sitting right in front of him — so he told him to ask him instead. go on, as kim! don't ask me! also during that press conference he was asked did he feel as if he was in danger of losing hisjob — he simply said no. and when asked how did the players feel about their start to this season, his is what he said. i think that some care more than others. do you want to say who? no, everybody in the club has a role to play — has a role to play. everybody has a role to play. the kids man has a role to play. —— the kit man. the nutritionist has a role to play. i have a role to play, everybody has a role to play. when we win, we all win. when we lose, we all lose. and when we lose, the responsibility i think

is the responsibility of everyone. iam not i am not sure that that spanish journalist ever got an answer. well, united take on valencia at eight o'clock this evening and manchester city are in action in the earlier kick off at five to six when they face hoffenheim. 0ne premier league game last night? as one of the back pages said this morning — the cherries on top. thanks to a late penalty which saw means bournemouth keep up their best start to a premier league season. this game looked to be heading for a draw with crystal palace but then mamadou sakho flung out an elbow in the box, that gave junior stanislas the chance to get the winner and move bournemouth up to seventh in the table. it also ends their monday night hoodoo — this is the first time bournemouth have won a premier league game on a monday in six matches. but then no—one likes mondays! boxing, there was a very 0tt, very entertaining and predictable tyson

fury press conference? it's something we've almost got used to now. when there's a big fight coming up, the boxers will do a couple of press conferences. squaring up to each other, exchanging threats — so when tyson fury and deontay wilder bvegan their three day three city tour promoting their fight on the 1st of december — well this is how it went down. going to squeeze him nice and hard." eventually promoter frank warren positioned himself beneath the pair and things calmed down after everyone had got their photo, of course. well in december, they'll be fighting for wilder's wbc belt. it's hoped the winner will then face anthonyjoshua to become the undisputed world heavyweight champion. thank you. more from holly throughout the programme. a group of parents, including these two mothers and their sons, are off to the high court today

to bring a case against their own county council. they are challenging surrey council's proposed cuts to its special needs budget. the judicial review will decide whether it's legal for surrey to cut £20 million from its services that support children with disabilities. it's one of a number of legal cases brought by parents of children with special educational needs, including one against hackney council, and another against the government. we can speak now to two of the families involved. alicia mccoll and her 14—year—old son kian, who's got autism and adhd, and catriona ferris and her 15—year—old son, dominic, who has aspergers. their lawyer annemarie erwin from the law firm irwin mitchell also joins us. dominic, tell the audience about your particular needs in school? so basically, i sometimes struggle if i have got over anxiety

from maybe things around me, i'm struggling at the moment, and we have a lot more teaching assistants in our school than normal mainstream schools have, which means they can ta ke schools have, which means they can take me out of class if they need to just to calm me down and give me some sensory just to calm me down and give me some sensory stimulation so i can calm down and continue with my education. that is because of the asperger‘s? education. that is because of the asperger's? yes. so there are -- so there basically are more adults to help with the kids questionably. there is a maximum of about eight in each tutor group and five to seven in each class. how do you find school? it is great, i have really improved with my education. i am in year 11, improved with my education. i am in year11, i improved with my education. i am in year 11, i should improved with my education. i am in year 11, ishould be improved with my education. i am in year 11, i should be taking improved with my education. i am in year 11, ishould be taking my improved with my education. i am in year 11, i should be taking my gcses this year, which might have looked very far off if you years ago if i had not got into this school, especially at the time i got in. it has been really good and has helped

with my behaviour and in my education. 0k. catriona, tell us a little bit about dominic's specialist educational needs? about dominic has asperger's, he is very bright but anxiety holds him back. lots of the time if it is not perfect, he can get quite anxious, which is why he occasionally needs to go out, not because he does not wa nt to go out, not because he does not want to learn but because the anxiety level is so high. sensory stimulation really helps. the school has stimulation really helps. the school ha s a llowe d stimulation really helps. the school has allowed him notjust stimulation really helps. the school has allowed him not just to achieve his ability in education but he is doing other things outside school. he goes to explorers as part of the scout association, he does music and he was unable to access any of that when struggling in a main school. can you tell our viewers more about sensory can you tell our viewers more about sensory stimulation? dominic, do you

wa nt sensory stimulation? dominic, do you want me to explain or do you want to show? i can get brushing, they have a brush which they pressed against my arms and legs and do some joint compressions, so that will normally calm me down and make me less uptight, more relaxed to go into lessons. if i am at a point where i am really overwhelmed and it is becoming quite difficult for me to achieve anything, i will take five to ten minutes out to do some deep pressure, i will lie on the floor and they will use the ball to roll over me, that will release any tension i have got. then i have two more minutes to compose myself and go back to lessons. what kind of things can overwhelm you in lessons? i have a tendency to struggle with high—pitched noises. it is not

normally the noise itself, the high pitch can really hurt my ears. like the school bell, what kind of high—pitched noise? the school bell, what kind of high-pitched noise? may be whistling, prolonged whistling, baby screaming. i don't get that in school, obviously, but that can be a problem out and about. things like that can be difficult for me to deal with, and also with a student is being silly or annoying it can frustrate me and make it more difficult. most of the time if i am struggling with my work, if i am not doing it to the best of my ability, that frustrates me and that is normally where it starts, we normally where it starts, we normally deal with that before it gets too much worse. such an amazing insight, thank you, dominic. alicia and kyan, thank you for coming in. what do you like about your school, kyan? it has given me the

opportunity to change everything. less tha n opportunity to change everything. less than a year ago i was not who i am now. i found less than a year ago i was not who i am now. ifound everything much more frustrating and difficult to cope with and understand, and now i feel like it is all paying off. is that true? about yet, we have recently got a one to one in his school, prior to that he did not have one. just explain in practical terms how that affects kyan, daily. it is unusual to get a one to one in a special school, but kyan has a speech and language disorder meaning that when the teacher teaches a lesson, he does not always understand everything that is said. although they speak more slowly than mainstream and have lots of visuals, he needs support to check understanding of what the teacher has said. if you miss a point and the teacher moves onto the next one,

you have gaps in your learning. so the one to one checks is understanding and enables him to learn. that has been since january this year, the change is remarkable. how would you describe kyan a year ago? they go to the same school, so... ago? they go to the same school, so... dominic knows! he was out of class may be 95% of the time. this is in class may be 95% of the time. this isina class may be 95% of the time. this is in a special school, so you can imagine how he did not cope in mainstream. it was partly down to the rather medication, kyan has adhd and needs the medication to help them focus, but it was also the speech and language disorder which really impacted his learning. even though he has the therapies, he needs the extra level of support to enable him to understand. he also

starts his gcses this year. i am so proud, he has come a long way. your council is proposing to cut £20 million from the special educational needs budget. as i understand, you don't know if that would impact you, or how it would? but you know that if it did, it would be massive fall kyan? it could impact anybody, the education health and care plan is effectively only valid for a year and could be amended if the local authority sees fit. they tend to follow policy over law are lots of the time, so if they cut budgets we could you lose speech and language, we could lose occupational therapy. the biggest thing for me would be if he lost his transport, i would have to give up myjob because i am a single parent. who would take him to school otherwise? about single parent. who would take him to

school otherwise ? about so single parent. who would take him to school otherwise? about so the council provides the transport? yes. we are looking at dominic 's allocation for next year, dominic wants to transfer to six form couege wants to transfer to six form college but will need lots of additional support. we will need to fight for the right support level for him in sixth form college and then there is a reduced budget, the council will say you can't have that, we will put you in the middle ofa that, we will put you in the middle of a big school and a big six form couege of a big school and a big six form college with all the noise he has talked about, without the right support, it could mean his education goes into a car crash. you are the legal brain behind this legal action, anne—marie irwin, on what grounds are you taking surrey county council to the high court for a judicial review? it is our case that surrey did not consult and did not

look at the impact this decision would have on disabled children. you have heard that we do not really know which impact this will have, because we say cerri did not look at what this would mean for children. evenif what this would mean for children. even if thejudicial what this would mean for children. even if the judicial review says that surrey county council did not go through the right processes, you still might not reverse these proposed cuts, you just might make them have to do it again?“ proposed cuts, you just might make them have to do it again? if we are successful this week, we asking the court to quash this decision so it would be like the decision had never been taken and the cuts would be reinstated. surrey could go on to consult in the future and look at making the decision again, but we would hope that if there was proper consultation and surrey looked at the impact the decision would have, they would think again. we have a

statement from surrey county council. a surrey county council spokesman said: "we are defending this claim, but as ever our main focus is making sure children get the support that they need." dominic, what would you say if somebody from the council was watching? how can you fight for what the children need if you are cutting all the money that is currently giving them what they need and still trying to give more kids that don't have this stuff what they need? if they went around my school or any schools that receive sen funding and sought the help that the kids get, and what the help would be like if they did not get it, realistically they did not get it, realistically they would not be looking at trying back. it doesn't logistically work—out. there are lots of kids that have special educational needs and need this to have good education

and need this to have good education and get their gcses or whatever they are doing. you can go on to do whatever you want, it doesn't make a difference as long as you have the right support. that is same with anything, and if you don't have the right support, you can lose all of that help you are getting and then you don't know where to go from there. kyan, what would you say? it is taking away a child's future, it is taking away a child's future, it is taking away the opportunity to give them support and things to help them learn. because without the proper support itjust them learn. because without the proper support it just makes them learn. because without the proper support itjust makes it a much harder thing to gain. your message to the council, alicia?|j believe message to the council, alicia?” believe the education health and ca re believe the education health and care plans have increased in surrey by 40% in the last two mccready is.

what is the significance about?m there is a 40% increase, if the numbers are increasing, how can they justify those cuts? all those children have very specific needs or they would not have an education health and care plan. you do not get one of those at the school can meet your needs, it means you need additional support and this is why they can't make these cuts.” additional support and this is why they can't make these cuts. i would say we need to work harder on early intervention, because then the more we can support children earlier and get the right plan in place early and allow them to develop as much as they can. don't go ahead with the cuts, presumably? absolutely not, focus on early intervention to long—term reduce your budget. we all know budgets are under pressure. thank you all very much, we will report back. thank you for coming on the programme. thank you for your comment on

middle—class drug taking. it is something the home secretary is a p pa re ntly something the home secretary is apparently going to revert in his speech to the tory party conference later today. he wants to crack down on middle—class drug users. 0n twitter, "we demonise those dealing drugs and we rarely focus on who is supporting the trade. there is a posh party going on where everyone is offering coke around at 6am like of the morning brew. i'm still shocked by how much it feels like middle—class people love coke. i've not taken it, always rejected it, and maybe i'm missing out but, like, i'd like to go to bed. if you want to people should be able to test drugs and take them safely. put another one, "another lecture telling people they shouldn't use illegal drugs. we need a proper coordinated approach to harm reduction which must include properly funded programmes to help people get off drugs, properly funded mental health services,

legalising certain elements to both manage harm and allow more focus and police resources, alternatives to prison etc." romeo has texted, "there is also the matter of substance abuse in the gay community. two out of four people i met on dating apps take chems, meth or crack." thank you for those. if you would describe yourself as a middle—class drug user, amongst other things, tell me what you take, why you take it, what the home secretary is expected to say later on. still to come... what next for passengers stranded after a budget airline went bust last night. and after the death of natasha ednan—laperouse, from that allergic reaction to a shop bought by get, we will check out what other high street chains are doing in response. time for the latest news withjuana.

—— joanna time for the latest news withjuana. ——joanna. time for the latest news withjuana. —— joanna. the reason time for the latest news withjuana. ——joanna. the reason may has confirmed the government will implement a new skills —based immigration system after leaving european union —— theresa may has confirmed. she said it will be workers and skills that matter, not where they come from. 0fficials officials in indonesia you see the death toll from the horrific earthquake and tsunami has risen to more than 1200. there is growing concern over indymedia's response to the disaster, survivors facing a fifth day without power or water. agencies say people are in desperate need of aid but rescue workers are still struggling to reach them. the uk government is sending £2 million to help relief effort. a group of mothers are going to the high court to challenge surrey cou nty high court to challenge surrey county council's cuts to its special needs budget. the women will content they should have been consulted on they should have been consulted on the planned £21 million cuts. surrey cou nty the planned £21 million cuts. surrey county council says its focus is to

make sure children get the support they need. a senior italian scientist who said the field of physics was invented and built by men has been suspended from working with the european nuclear research centre. the professor made the remarks during a presentation to a group of mainly female physicists in geneva, claiming the industry now look more favourably on women than men. he has said his presentation was —— agency has said his presentation was unacceptable whilst the professor has stood by his remarks and said they are backed up by simple research. a budget airline that began offering long—haul flights from uk airports to the us earlier this year has collapsed. the icelandic—owned primera airline ceased all operations at midnight, with many passengers stranded and unsure of alternative travel options. flights to washington and new york due to leave stansted on monday

night were grounded and passengers have been told not to go to the airport today. as sports direct has sacked the executive board of house of fraser after the takeover. 0n executive board of house of fraser after the takeover. on to the sports news. during his latest sports conference —— news conference, jose mourinho said what losing the valencia would mean for him and his players are admitting some care more than others. 0ne players are admitting some care more than others. one method are up in the premier league after a 2—1 home win over crystal palace, after a junior stanislas spot kick after palace defender mamadou sakho swallow for arm into the face of jefferson lama. deontay wilder and tyson fury turn on the drama, having

to be separated on stage —— into the face of lerma. deontay wilder will defend his wbc heavyweight title on december one in los angeles. and the brazilian has set a new world record for the largest ever wave surfed by a woman. she conquered it back in portugal in january a woman. she conquered it back in portugal injanuary but a woman. she conquered it back in portugal in january but the a woman. she conquered it back in portugal injanuary but the record was only officially confirmed as the latest, maya gabeira, that is. air passengers have been left stranded across the world after the budget airline, primera air, went in to administration at midnight. the fourteen year old, low budget company had 15 planes — mostly taking scandinavian holiday—makers to destinations such as spain, greece, italy, egypt and turkey. 0ur correspondentjon donnison can tell us more. who are they? yes, flights to washington, dc, new york, toronto, in canada, also some

flights from birmingham to malaga in spain. we knew they were in trouble because in september they announced they were cancelling flights to seven other european destinations from birmingham and we knew they we re from birmingham and we knew they were going to cease trading last night, gone bankrupt. the question now, what happens to passengers? what happens to the passengers? and why did it go bankrupt as well?m we look at the passengers first, that depends. if you book your flight that depends. if you book your flight through a travel agent you might be what is called at all projected, the civil aviation agency ‘s protection scheme and it is worth going to your travel agency and asking if you can be booked on another flight, but i think with this airline mostly did not that —— you might be atol protected. then i think you're pretty much on your own. if you bid for the credit card visa debit card and the flight was more than £100 you might be able to get protection from your credit card company. but we have heard from passengers who have been in touch with the bbc saying, "look," they

are stranded in malaga, stranded in the usa, having to find their own way back. we will talk to some stranded passengers later on. thank you very much. thank you, jon donnison reporting. next, the environment secretary michael gove has said he will launch a speedy investigation into food labelling laws, in the wake of the death of natasha ednan—laperouse, who had a cardiac arrest after severe allergic reaction to a baguette from pret a manger which contained sesame. but how quickly are the yand other high street outlets themselves responding? the sandwich natasha bought didn't have sesame listed as an ingredient on its packaging. but this was actually within the rules. 0nly food which is packaged away from where it's being sold is required to display ingredient lists including allergens. but natasha's death has exposed the weakness of this system — and this programme has found that major high street chains are adopting different approaches to the same problem. yesterday, natasha's parents spoke to this programme and explained how they found out that the sandwich natasha ate contained sesame, and told us what they want done

about food labelling. as natasha was dying in hospital on that sunday, i spoke to my mother back in london and i said, "please go and buy the same sandwich from your local pret a manger, right now, right now, and call me back, and go and check if there are any allergens in that sandwich. speak to them." she did, and she callled me back, and she told me, before natasha was dying, as she was dying, that actually she'd been to that local sandwich shop, pret a manger, bought exactly the same sandwich. there were no allergy warnings in sight at all, but she went to the counter and asked the staff where you pay, and she said, "is there anything in the sandwich to be concerned about?" my granddaughter has allergies." the staff then went back to somewhere in the back room and handed my motherfolder, a typical folder you'd find in any office, and said, "there is some information in there." my mother then looked through it,

a lot of several loose leafs of information, if you like, and there was one sheet there of paper, like an excel spreadsheet, listing most of the sandwiches on one side, and if you carefully run yourfinger across, in very small writing, it highlighted the allergens in each sandwich, and my mother noticed there immediately the sesame seeds were highlighted as "allergen" in the sandwich, and my mother was stunned, she told me, and she recounted that she said to the staff, "where are the sesame seeds?" because they're not even visible to the naked eye, and she was told by the staff there, "well, they‘ re baked into the dough," at which point my mother screamed and she said, "you've murdered my grandchild!" and that's how she recounted that story to me on the phone,

as natasha was dying, in hospital. and then we realised. i knew, completely, that that's why she had died. she'd had a full allergic reaction to a very, very powerful allergen, which is like a poison to the body for those that are allergic to sesame, and, unwittingly, she had eaten a huge dose, hundreds of sesame seeds that were baked into the dough, not visible, and that's why she had died. pret has said, "we are deeply sorry for natasha's death, and cannot begin to comprehend the pain herfamily have gone through and the grief they continue to feel. "we've heard everything the coroner and natasha's family have said this week, and we are committed to leading the changes required across our industry. "pret has always operated in accordance with uk laws related to food labelling. "clearly, these laws are inadequate for severe allergy sufferers."

the coroner was critical of those laws, has written to the government, to the food standards, the people responsible for food standards and labelling, and also pret. what do you think about those laws, and what needs to happen? i think anyone in their right mind knows it's common sense, it's a matter of responsibility, and a matter of trust, as a large food operator, to at least have the decency to put the allergens on the packaging and not somewhere else where there could be a disassociation between the product and the label. the chief executive of pret a manger, clive schlee, has said that they do want there to be meaningful change and they will make sure it does happen. how important is it to you that there is change? it's extremely important, and i think we both have

been talking about this, tanya and myself, in the last days, it's so important because with every minute and every hour that passes, we are sitting and the uk is sitting in a time bomb of someone dying yet again. that is how serious it is. ask anyone — do we want anyone to die again? no. so what are the food companies doing in the wake of the inquest into natasha's death? in we've looked at three of britain's biggest sandwich shops. let's start with pret a manger. because pret make their products on site, legally they don't have to display ingredients on their packaging. they do, however, list the ingredients of each item on a label which sits on the shelf in front of it. then in january 2017, after natasha's death, they started displaying the allergens in each item as well. we asked the chain if they would be

making changes to their packaging in the wake of this incident — and it responded by saying changes would be made asap, but gave us no detail. eat makes some of its products on site and some of them off site. those made on site do not need to be labelled, and like pret they have a label in front of each product detailing the ingredients and allergens. eat told us, "all our allergen information is readily available in store — most products show it clearly on the packaging, and for other items — like our hot served food — the information is always available at the till computer. "we frequently review our processes, but have not needed to make any changes in light of the sad story in the news this week." and finally we have greggs, who also package some of their food on site. but unlike in pret and eat, we found there were some products

in greggs which did not display or list ingredients that could pose a severe allergen risk. in one branch we found three sandwiches which had sesame seeds on them, where there was no mention of sesame on the label in front of the product. greggs told us, "we take food allergies seriously and are committed to providing up—to—date allergen information." it said that all the information is available in the shops and online, but they told us that they are reviewing their practices as a matter of urgency. in this photo of one of the sandwiches are available in greggs, covered in sesame seeds, as you can see, and there is nothing on that packaging to flag up any allergy issues. it does talk about salad leaves, mayonnaise and so on, but it does not mention the sesame seeds which you can clearly see on the top of that sandwich. so what needs to

change to give consumers with allergies confidence in those high—street chains? let's talk about this now. labour mp andy slaughter is the mp for natasha ednan—laperouse's family. sarah clune is in our bath studio — her daughter has a severe nut allergy — and dr lisa ackerley in cornwall is a food safety expert. amy brown is here, both her and her daughter have severe allergies. andy slaughter, as a politician first of all, wejust slaughter, as a politician first of all, we just showed you one photograph which happened to be from greggs, where you could clearly see the sesame were not labelled. what do you think of that?” the sesame were not labelled. what do you think of that? i think it is pretty shocking, isn't it? in natasha's case, the sesame seeds we re natasha's case, the sesame seeds were actually hidden inside. she was very wise to this, she had grown up with allergies, had inspected the particular product before she bought it and edit, so there are all sorts

of risks here. i think we are just scratching the surface —— bought it and ate it. one of the reasons why i became an mp that one of the things you realise becoming an mp, how poor product safety is, from everything from grenfell tower to sandwiches and buns, and you only have to scratch the surface and you see how much people's lives are at risk. i am glad the government are taking it on—board now. i'm not sure why the manufacturers have not done that before, but you saw the statement from pret, they said "the law should be changed." that is passing the buck, to some extent. got any high street outlet could change, like that. you'll absolutely. ceara, your daughter claudia is eight and has a severe nut allergy and she has had an anaphylactic shock before. just describe what that involves. she was under two years old, just under two, and we went to lunch with my sister who very kindly had said she would

give us lunch. i had a newborn baby, my son, and she had cooked us sun—dried tomato pesto sauce from a well— known brand with sun—dried tomato pesto sauce from a well—known brand with sausages and pastor. my daughter was extremely fussy, so she moved the food up to her mouth and i was watching her —— and pasta. it didn't go into her mouth and it just touched her lip andl mouth and it just touched her lip and i was incredibly confused because i had had no disputes of allergies before, and to me it looked like she was talking because she began to grab her throat, and she began to grab her throat, and she clearly couldn't breathe. it was obviously extremely scary. and because i had a newborn baby i think i was slightly all over the place anyway, and the symptoms seemed to subside somewhat and i decided we would go home. when we got in the car, i happened to turn around and look at claudia, at which point i noticed her face was almost unrecognisable, her lips were about two or three times the size of her normal lips. and her face was

cove red normal lips. and her face was covered in hives. so at that point i was in the car, about three minutes away, or less probably, from my doctor's surgery, so i rang them and raced in there with her, not really knowing exactly what had happened, but obviously being terrified. yeah. what do you think high—street food outlets should do? at the moment, as a family, we wouldn't actually go to any of those high—street outlets you have mentioned, because we just don't feel safe or have confidence, andl don't feel safe or have confidence, and i think it is partly down to staff training, you know, and in terms of pret i would question why they feel the need to sort of adhere to the lowest common denominator of the regulations on why they wouldn't be trying to be at the forefront of leading good practice, especially when several cases were reported to them in advance of the tragic story of natasha. let me bring in amy on that point. you just heard sailors say, they don't go to any high—street food outlets because they simply can't trust them —— you

just heard sarah see. we do those wide—open or if it is because i have had them my whole life so am slightly more savvy, or at least costing, in terms of thinking i know what i can have, etc, but it has completely changed. i was only in pret a couple of weeks ago, and they have a new vegan cookie, and we asked the lady to have a look at the allergen folder and she took a long time to flip through it, lewis had one mouthful and said, time to flip through it, lewis had one mouthfuland said, "mummy, my tummy feels funny. i don't know if it was because there was cross contamination. he has quite a few allergies, but i won't be eating there again as a result. i have never taken there again as a result. i have nevertaken him to there again as a result. i have never taken him to greggs and i never taken him to greggs and i never would further reason that they just don't give enough detail. she is allergic to chickpea as well which quite often they don't label because it is a bit more of a rare allergens that is another thing we have to deal with. some pictures of your little girl there. when she was

very little she had really severe eczema as a baby, and often you are told, it isjust eczema, but i knew that actually there was more to it, so that actually there was more to it, so that was when, because of my allergies, i started researching. dr lisa ackerley, you are a food safety expert. i think you advise some of these big companies. what are they waiting for? well, actually, a lot of work's been done behind the scenes and already there have been meetings... i work with you take hospitality, which represents many of the larger hospitality industry, and ——i of the larger hospitality industry, and —— i work with uk hospitality. we have been working with the food standards agency already to review guidance and look at these issues. but natasha died two years ago.l lot of work has been done with many of the restaurants for example, and some of them have absolutely exemplary food allergen management systems. 0ne exemplary food allergen management systems. one of the difficulties, which your previous speakerjust

said, is that sometimes people are allergic to things not on the legal list of 14, and so the dialogue between the guest on the restaurant is really, really important. that is one of the things we really must preserve, because the restaurant won't know what the person who walks into the restaurant is allergic to... but you advise some of these big companies. does your advice change, as a result of the inquest last week, and the coroner's ruling that labelling is inadequate? well, of course. you know, this is a terrible tragedy, and it is something that has been on the radar for some time. i have been talking to businesses, even just yesterday, again, about how they can raise awareness, because i think the problem is that a teenager, and teenagers are particularly vulnerable because they tend to leave home and go to university, how would they know the difference between a prepacked sandwich from a major retailer, and one that they

get from high—street retailer, that has been made on site? they wouldn't know the difference, so i think this is where we need to really raise awareness and we need to flag up, and it itself, that the allergen information is either they are, or they point on the item to a member of staff who will help that person, and it's really important to raise that awareness. so i've been working on that straightaway... amy, go on, what do you think? is that enough? no, because i have had cases in restaurants where i've told them, these are my allergies, have asked them, and they have given me food which has had the allergen in, and it only takes one tiny mouthful for me to realise. i had an incident where... is that because there are multiple ingredients and it is cross contamination? i don't think so. i have had two restaurants where i have had two restaurants where i have asked, does it have egg in it, they have both said no, then had it and it clearly does, and we had one where my daughter was my father took

her to where my daughter was my father took hertoa where my daughter was my father took her to a restaurant, told them the allergen is at the start of the meal, looked at the allergen booklet, for the main courses, and then went to order sorovi for desert which is obviously something that quite often doesn't have beery —— ordered srrbet —— sorbet for desert. she was violently sick after that, because it did have dairy in it. they had a dejected. where does the own site? andy slaughter, where does the owners like? —— she was violently sick. it had daily in it and they had not detected it. the companies don't need more regulation. the goods ordered themselves. they could do but i think what we are hearing from“ that they are probably not going to do that and we can't rely goodwill. —— hearing from amy. there are other

issues in this case. the fact epipen may not have work, the fact the defibrillator was not used on the aircraft. this is a real wake—up call, and i do hope the government... myjob, next week, to make sure the government follows on what they said. couple of comments eric on twitter, "how hard can it be to be upfront and list all allergens including sesame seeds in dull, in all the ingredients on the sandwich packaging. —— in dough. these are multi—million dollar businesses, not independent cafes." lisa agrees. as someone who has food allergies grinding it is important all allergens are listed on the packaging. thank you all of you for coming on the programme. i appreciate your time. thank you. aid has still not reach the most badly affected area of indonesia, after the earthquake and tsunami on friday. in the town of palu there is still no drinking water or power, and no one appears to be in charge.

at least 1200 people are known to have died, but it is feared the final figure have died, but it is feared the finalfigure will have died, but it is feared the final figure will increase to radically. aid agencies there is a nearly 2000 people are in desperate need. rebecca hensche is in palu... where i am now a makeshift refugee camp has sort of been set up in the town square here, near the local government offices. and people who have made it to here are getting food and limited clean water. they're getting two meals a day of rice and egg. but they're running out of water, and that's their main concern now. we are seeing more military trucks coming into town now. just a short while ago a convoy from the central

government bringing in aid, but the situation is tense. people here are being incredibly patient, sitting under these tents in very hot weather, but tensions have spilled over on roads not farfrom where i am, where people have been looting for what they need, and security there is now tight. a short while ago shots were fired in the air in order to calm the situation down. it's a horrificjourney in and out of palu, roads severely damaged by landslides, and desperate family members trying to get into the city in order to find out what's happened to their loved ones. they're going through the morgues, going to hospitals, and that's bringing in traffic into this city. at the same time, hundreds of people are trying to get out, because the city has no power. again today, no clean water, and local disaster agencies are telling us it will be like that for at least another three days. but the problem now is that palu is almost out of petrol. there are queues, hours long, for petrol that is there. we hope to be live in palu in the

next hour of the programme. rebecca reporting there. the time for the weather with simon. good morning. yes, milder start to the day but cloud through england and ireland and wales this morning. some patchy rain and drizzle as well. fairly typical weather watcher photos, grey skies. the reason for the milder air, rain and drizzle is because we are in this warm sector. between this warm and cold front. you can see that with orange. scotland is in the colder air, to the north of that front. here, actually, some sunshine through this morning but rather brisk wind. elsewhere, lots of cloud and that will continue through the afternoon for many. again the chance of some rain and drizzle as well. looking at things at about four o'clock this afternoon, still quite a bit of cloud but quite mild.

temperatures up to about 20 degrees in the capital, still the chance of some rain and drizzle, misty and market conditions around wales in the south—west. to the east of the pennines, some sunshine developing, and as well across scotland. you will notice i have changed the wind arrows to black winged arrows. these ofa arrows to black winged arrows. these of a gust of wind and you can see quite gusty conditions this afternoon across the north —— black wind arrows. this is moving into northern scotland as well. through this evening and tonight, it remains quite blustery in northern and eastern areas, and some clear spells but elsewhere it remains quite cloudy and against the misty and murky conditions around wales in the south—west. that is where temperatures will stay in double figures. but single figures with those clear spells in northern and eastern areas. wednesday, starting off with some sunshine but again there will be quite a bit of cloud, tending to increase into the afternoon. still a few breaks here

and there, giving a few glimmers of sunshine. temperatures into the mid to high teens, some rain moving into the far north and west of scotland. that is because we have another system gradually moving in in the thirsty. higher pressure slipping away but that should keep things relatively settled —— in to hosting. this is thursday. the brightness and sunny spells from time to time across england and wales. mostly dry apart from a few showers in the far north—west of england. but more of rain moving into northern ireland, the north and west of scotland. temperatures about 1516 celsius and again getting up to 18 or 19 degrees across england or wales. —— 15 or 16 celsius. the pair of heavy rain for the weekend and we will keep you up—to—date with the across the next few days. bye—bye. hello it's tuesday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. the families of five children with special educational needs are going to the high court today to try and stop their county council cutting £20 million from the special needs budget. we've spoken to two boys who warn

that their education will be damaged by the cuts. without proper support it just without proper support itjust makes ita without proper support itjust makes it a much harder thing to gain. after the chief of the met police says too many middle class people think taking cocaine is a victimless crime, the government warns middle class drug users will be targeted as part of a crackdown on violent crime. the government's annoucing today that there will be no special status for eu citizens after brexit. we'll get live reaction from sabine, a woman we've been following on this programme. she's german and has lived here for 17 years, but is moving back to germany today because of brexit. she's actually on the ferry now. she is leaving britain after almost

two decades. and we'll be speaking to two passengers who are stranded abroad after the budget airline primera collapsed. good morning, it's ten o'clock. here'sjoanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the days news. theresa may has insisted that the uk will have control of its immigration policy for the first time in decades after brexit. the prime minister has confirmed that the government will implement a new skills—based immigration system after leaving the european union. she said that it will be workers' skills that matter, not where they come from. the policy that we are announcing today, our future immigration policy, delivers on the result of the referendum, it takes back control of our borders, it ensures that free movement comes to an end once and for all and we will be deciding who can come into this country. but we recognise the point that you've made, that businesses say that there are skills that they need that they need to bring into this country. so the new system is going to be based not on where people come from but on what they can

contribute to our economy, the skills that they have. now, of course, we're also working as a government to ensure that we're building up the skills of young people here in the uk, but our new immigration policy is, crucially, going to ensure free movement ends. it won't be... ..and who can come here will be determined by their contribution to our economy, not by where they come from. officials in indonesia say the death toll from friday's devastating earthquake and tsunami has risen to more than 1,200. there's growing anger over indonesia's response to the disaster. survivors are facing a fifth day without water or power. the united nations says up to 200,000 people are in desperate need of aid, but rescue workers are still struggling to reach them. the uk government is sending £2 million to help with the relief effort. a group of mothers are at the high court this morning, to challenge surrey county council's proposed cut to its special needs and disability budget. the women all have disabled children, and theirjudicial review will contend that they should have been consulted on the planned £21 million cuts.

surrey county council says its focus is to make sure children get the support they need. speaking to victoria earlier on the programme, dominic ferris, who's 15 and has autism, had this message for the council. how can you fight for what the children need if you're cutting all the money that is currently giving them what they need and still trying to give more kids that don't have this stuff what they need? if they went around my school or any schools that receive sen funding and saw what it would be like if those kids did not have that, realistically they would not be looking at trying but, logistically it does not work out. a senior italian scientist who said the field of physics was invented and built by men has been suspended from working with the european nuclear research centre, cern. professor alessandro strumia made

the remarks during a presentation to a group of mainly female physicists in geneva, claiming the industry now looked more favourably on women than men. cern has said his presentation was unacceptable, while professor strumia has stood by his remarks — which he says are backed up by simple research. a budget airline that began offering long—haul flights from uk airports to the us earlier this year has collapsed. the icelandic—owned primera airline ceased all operations at midnight, with many passengers stranded and unsure of alternative travel options. flights to washington and new york due to leave stansted on monday night were grounded and passengers have been told not to go to the airport on tuesday. mike ashley's firm has sacked the senior management at house of fraserjust weeks after it bought the department store chain. sports direct paid £90 million pounds for the uk's 58 branches back in august. the company said the dismissals followed calls for an investigation into the circumstances of the retailer's collapse. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10:30am.

we will talk about immigration, it is one of the big announcement at the conservative party conference. we will be back with norman at the conference later. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive. you can message us on facebook, you can you can message us on facebook, you ca n text you can message us on facebook, you can text or whatsapp. let's get some sport now. holly is at the bbc sport centre. good morning. manchester united and manchester city are back in champions league action tonight but the focus remains on united managerjose mourinho and his future at old trafford. the club's now endured their worst start to a season for 29 years after losing at west ham at the weekend. tonight mourinho's men take on valencia. the manager is accusing some players of caring less than others. i think that some care more than others. do you want to say who?

no, everybody in the club has a role to play. has a role to play. everybody has a role to play. the kit man has a role to play. the nutritionist has a role to play. i have a role to play, everybody has a role to play. when we win, we all win. when we lose, we all lose. and when we lose, the responsibility i think is the responsibility of everyone. manchester city's kevin de bruyne has returned to training following his knee injury sooner than expected. the belgian midfielder innjured his right knee six weeks ago and is uklikely to play tonight. city are away to hoffenheim, looking to bounce back after losing at home to lyon. the last two seasons, when i'm here, we qualified quite comfortable. and maybe we will have to realise how complicated is the competition, to realise, to step forward. and if we're not able to do that, it's because we're not good enough. bournemouth scored a late penalty

to keep up their best start to a premier league season with a 2—1win over crystal palace. this game looked to be heading for a draw but then mamadou sakho flung out an elbow in the box, that gave junior stanislas the chance to get the winner and move bournemouth up to seventh in the table. tyson fury and deontay wilder had to be separated at their press conference in london, as they announced the staples center in los angeles as the venue for their world heavyweight title fight in december. it's fury‘s third bout sincejune, as he comes back from more than 18 months away from the ring. they'll be fighting for wilder's wbc belt. it's hoped the winner will then face anthonyjoshua to become the undisputed world heavyweight champion.

i will stand and prove what i will do to this idiot. —— this idiot. i will punch his face right in for him, nota problem. seven will punch his face right in for him, not a problem. seven days a week and twice on sunday. if we fought 30 times, i would win 30 times. that is how confident i am. european ryder cup captain thomas bjorn says he wasn't surprised by the success of tommy fleetwood and francesco molinari during his sides victory over the usa. team moliwood, as they became known, became the first european pairing to win four matches in a row, while molinari went on to win his singles match to clinch victory. these two wanted to do it, and i started looking at facts and figures about both of them awhile ago. and they were keen on doing it and everything matched up. and we went with it. but for them to do what they did, that is down to those two, it is the best bromance i have ever seen. that's all the sport for now. later we will talk about the home

secretary ‘s down on middle—class drug users, as he calls them. this e—mailfrom a drug users, as he calls them. this e—mail from a middle—class drug users, as he calls them. this e—mailfrom a middle—class cocaine user, while i understand the end consumer ultimately drives the production of this drug, i would like to say that the reason why this process is violent is because it is illegal and unregulated. handing control over to cartels and organised criminals. placing such responsibility on us as consumers seems unfair when the authorities have handed over management of the entire process to the criminal underground. if it was legalised in regulated, potency and quality would be controlled, production would be free of violence and harm would be reduced or rent. that middle—class cocaine user claims that. interesting defence. borisjohnson will speak at a site meeting at the conservative party conference later today. ministers will be hoping that he

doesnt overshadow the main event. on which note — here he is running through a field of wheat yesterday — an image that was on a lot of the front pages today. some saw that as some kind of dig at the pm — who said the naufhtiest thing she ever did was run through a field of wheat. and that is a man who wants to be prime minister. back to the main event, which is sajid javid's — the home secretary's speech in which he will confirm that there will be no special status for eu citizens coming to the uk to seek work after brexit. he will also say that high—skilled high paid workers will be given priority over those seeking low—skilled work in low—paid jobs. let's get more from our political guru norman smith in birmingham. morning, again. morning. a big day as the pm announces the end of free movement. but lots of questions still have to be answered, such as what happens to business heavily reliant on cheap foreign labour. what happens to brits who maybe wa nts to what happens to brits who maybe wants to work in the eu? what impact

will it have on brand global britain and a question about whether mrs may can hold the line in the forthcoming organisations. iain duncan smith joins me now, your big question is will mrs may really be able to stop eu migrants who come here from claiming benefits? you say no. my concern is that when i was secretary of state for work and pensions, david cameron and i worked to try to limit the access to benefits even while we were in the eu and we could not get it done. so the big pull factor for many people coming to do low—income jobs is the fa ct coming to do low—income jobs is the fact they can then claim top—up benefits, including, if they are accompanied by their families. benefits, including, if they are accompanied by theirfamilies. in 2016, the figure was £4.7 billion in eu migrants. that is a huge top—up to what could then be a very cheap

salary. that has to ends. if that ends, companies who want them here had to pay a living wage. mrs may has been very clear it will end. paragraph 89 of the chequers white paper is very clear, they would only need to make contributions once, ie in theirown need to make contributions once, ie in their own country. if you are coming from romania or poland or somewhere, where you make very small contributions, if any, you could come to the uk under that caveat and claim all the benefits, including family benefits, tax credit... well, now universal tax credit. a huge pa rt now universal tax credit. a huge part of ending freedom of movement was to stop eu nationals being able to claim benefits here. you are saying that this will not end?” have published a full migration plan, i have published a full migration plan, lam have published a full migration plan, i am very clear about it, if you don't end the access to benefits you don't end the access to benefits you have not controlled migration.

no matter all be what i called smoke and mirrors around freedom of movement, the key elements bringing people over for low paid jobs, that isa people over for low paid jobs, that is a big number, not the high skilled jobs who by and large contributory taxation, the low skilled jobs are basically net recipients of benefits, and if you don't end that you have a massive pull factor for people to come here, after living in squalid conditions and then compete with the eu workers who have other costs. that is not fair that british taxpayers are subsidising them to compete with british workers. many businesses involved in sectors like kaaya, hospitality, construction, deeply angry that the drawbridge will be pulled up on low skilled workers which they depend upon for their business? britain has become a cheap labour capital, most developed countries in europe look at britain and laugh because they say you are completely dependent on cheap labour, you have not invested in automation. if you look at

investment in automation, training, reskilling and technology by companies, they are some of the worst in the eu, ironically, because they have got by year after year by bringing in cheap labour. but automation and skilling makes us more competitive and we have not done it. only 15% of all those who start work in the uk in entry—level jobs will ever move on beyond entry—level. that is an indictment of cheap labour. we droned train people, they don't get re—skilled. “ we people, they don't get re—skilled. —— we don't train people. people, they don't get re—skilled. -- we don't train people. what happens post—brexit if you are running a care home, you can no longer recurred from abroad and your ca re longer recurred from abroad and your care home is injeopardy, your business model? we need to look at the care sector. other countries have invested massively in technology, which improves the quality of care but reduces the numberof quality of care but reduces the number of people delivering car. they monitor people in their own homes, they know where they are. in this country we are very bad at

doing that because they have been able to get cheap labour and make no decisions. the big change in social ca re decisions. the big change in social care has to be massive investment in new technology to hugely improve that, meaning people will pay more to do the job rather than cheap pay, and it is no life if you're running to do and it is no life if you're running todoa and it is no life if you're running to doa15 and it is no life if you're running to do a 15 minute visit in your car, getting next to nothing, that is not a lie. we want people paid properly for their skills. —— that is not a life. if we want our children to go and work as a barman in paris or an english language teacher in seville or whatever, they can do that no questions asked. under this, that will no longer be possible, there will no longer be possible, there will be some sort of visa restrictions. so bringing an end to freedom of movement has a very significant repercussions for people here? but i don't think they are that great. the british workforce, by and large, does not do cheap

labour in europe. by and large, most british people working in europe are doing much higher skilled work for which they get a higher salary. you will find the process of higher skilled worker is a much more flexible process, and it will be afterwards. they are small in number and by and large they contribute in taxation. my own sister moved to italy to work before we joined the eu. was that complicated? it was a little more complicated than it is now, but she has lived and worked all her life there, i have had two systems that work there. you just make the process flexible and smooth. the big problem for the uk has not been high—priced labour bringing skills, that is small in number, the big pressure on communities and schools have been low paid work that has been very cheap, which the british taxpayers have had to subsidise european workers to come and do. that is

wrong. one of the big claims by brexiteers such as yourself is that after brexit we will be able to present ourselves as an outward looking global britain. the message sent out from this tighter immigration regime is no, we are not that fond of you people coming here, we will make it much more difficult. it undermines the whole basis of global britain? i don't think so, every country in the world has controlled migration. try getting into europe from outside europe, thatis into europe from outside europe, that is very controlled. we need controlled migration, one of the big problems was in the open doors to the new accession countries with much lower gdp, that number has put huge pressure, we have taken over 3 million people, there has never been allan brookes like this in british history. that has caused problems. it is controlled migration, that is

a sensible way to work it. you do free trade deals and allow flexibility, but by and large you control the migration levels every year. isn't there a case to say this is missing the point, that the real concern for many voters is non—eu migration, because of issues around assimilation and acceptance of british society and culture? and yet they're the british government has long had the ability to set its own rules, implement controls and fail spectacularly? non—eu migration is going up rapidly. lots of the skills necessary to do things like health services are required outside, english language is spoken as almost a first language in many commonwealth countries. once you start with the eu and you bring the migration levels properly under control, you have a patchy migration process now. bringing us into the same migration process allows us to

offer their caps necessary on certain levels of pay and allow some higher skilled people to come in. it is not finding against people outside of the european union but in favour of a skills surge, not high level low skilled migration. iain duncan smith, thank you for your time. it will be the big issue of the day. part of the reason i suspect we are getting today is to make sure that one borisjohnson running through his field of wheat does not dominate coverage today when he arrives in a couple of hours. thanks to norman and iain duncan smith. we're nowjoined by george freeman, conservative mp and former head of the pm's policy board, sunder katwala of british futures — a think tank which is interested in immigration. they're both in birmingham at the conservative party conference. and alongside me in the studio is immigration lawyer harjap bhangal. and in dover we can talk to sabine voigt, who is one of our brexit bunch — a group of people this programme is following over the next few months to see how brexit is affecting them.

she is actually at this very moment on a ferry leaving the uk for good — moving back to germany after almost 20 years living here. let's start with you, sabine. remind our audience why he was leaving? hello, victoria, thank you for having me. -- why you are leaving? when i came onto the programme the other week, we arejust when i came onto the programme the other week, we are just very... we feel so unwelcome now in the uk as an eu citizen. the country has changed beyond belief, which i never thought was possible. so we have decided to pack up and go. we also need to secure our rights and interests on the continent. it all looks now like a cliff edge, no—deal brexit. how are you feeling as you

are on the boat, heading over to calais on the day the prime minister is announcing that freedom of movement will end? you know, i'm saddened. i am absolutely saddened about that. because... the opportunities that i had when i came to britain in 1999, i would never have chosen to come to britain if i wouldn't have had the freedom of movement. it is like moving from manchester to liverpool. 0f movement. it is like moving from manchester to liverpool. of course, i had to polish up on my english and that kind of thing, but, yeah, i am very saddened. ifeel that kind of thing, but, yeah, i am very saddened. i feel very sad for my friends and other eu citizens who are in the country, as well as the british in europe, because they are affected as well. 0k. george freeman, how do you

respond to hearing that eu citizen leaving the uk after 17 years because of brexit? i am very sorry to hear she is leaving. i would just say you don't have too, we have made very clear that all eu citizens here, all your rights are protected. you british citizen to all intents and purposes now, the rights you have enjoyed our secure, the prime minister has made that clear. you do not have to leave for that reason. but a hugely understand the fear that brexit mayfield to european citizens living in britain as the beginning of a moment where we become culturally less european and more nationalistic —— that brexit may feel. that would be a huge shame. i think it is important that we signal as we take control of borders and immigration, we are not doing it in a spirit of hostility to people who want to contribute to the country, and that is what sajid

javid will make very clear. i would ask, please, get out of the ferry, listen to sajid javid this afternoon. to know what, i have had no guarantees. i did not check today but i have been in limbo for 829 days or so. i don't know if i can still take my dogs to the continent come the 29th of march, is my driving licence is still valid on the continent. those kind of things which are incredibly important. i feel much more protected by the eu 27 on the british government.” feel much more protected by the eu 27 on the british government. i want to bring in sunder, his organisation british futures has just finished interviewing 20,000 people around the country on what they want from a future immigration system, what they think about immigration now. i wonder what the majority say when it comes to rules in the future?”

think people see brexit as a reset moments, a chance to strike the right balances and rebuild public confidence. it was unanimous, we we nt confidence. it was unanimous, we went to 60 towns and cities to hold these events, it was unanimous that these events, it was unanimous that the people already here must be protected and people did not think that was a question at all. while everybody would make their personal choices we have a lot of work to do to make sure people can feel fully pa rt of to make sure people can feel fully part of society. people expect changes and want them to be pragmatic, constructive and to strike the balance between pressures of immigration when it is high and the games people know immigration brings to this country... and the gain asset. the home secretary has a very important job, he gain asset. the home secretary has a very importantjob, he has to redesign and immigration and integration system which can make this feel confident and, i hope, proud at the contribution it immigration can make to britain when we we re immigration can make to britain when we were at all. your research about

people worried about migrants coming to the countryjust to claim benefits. would a ban on all benefits. would a ban on all benefits for eu workers until they have lived and worked here for five yea rs, have lived and worked here for five years, like iain duncan smith suggested, addressed those fears? we need to get this right, it needs to be balanced and pragmatic. for me, access to the single market so we can trade and businesses can create jobsis can trade and businesses can create jobs is absolutely key. for me, a very powerful reform would be to say if people are coming to work, we understand and we want you and we will give uavs. but the entitlements of citizenship and welfare needs to be earned. —— and we will give you a serve. i think my constituents who voted for brexit would welcome that, come and work and you will earn the right, but you do not get it on day one. my constituents voted against a syste m one. my constituents voted against a system which allows people to send

benefit payments to eastern europe. sajid will show he has heard them, he has understood, he will give visas to everyone we need, we are not pulling up the drawbridge but we have heard the grievances, people are worried that their border is in the mediterranean and not policed properly if they are in the eu. they wa nt properly if they are in the eu. they want is to police and intelligence and open border, but controlled by us. i think people take a nuanced view about what is fair to migrants and the communities they join. about what is fair to migrants and the communities theyjoin. they don't think you should be able to send child benefit to poland but they think you should be able to bring your child from poland and be ina bring your child from poland and be in a british school. they think it should take time to get social housing or out of work benefits, but i don't think they think two people working the same shift should be paid different amounts. tenants to migrants, there is a lot more common ground between what migrants feel

themselves, that people should learn themselves, that people should learn the language and come to work. when you open the debate you open up a common ground when you debated on the internet which is people with the internet which is people with the strongest views. hadap the strongest views. harjap is an immigration lawyer. you just heard george freeman say we will be giving visas to everyone who needs one, is there a gamble? not eve ryo ne needs one, is there a gamble? not everyone who needs one, everyone who the country thinks they want is to allow in. what this announcement is, it is aimed at highly skilled people, it is clearly an end to low skilled immigration coming here, we feel we have enough. the onus is being put onto the british public, these low skilled jobs, you have to fill them, they have always been around for the last 20 or 30 years. we are doing what you wanted and ending low skilled information and freedom of movement, so go and fill them. there is an onus on employers to pay more if they want jobs filled by

british workers? perhaps taking advantage of eu migrants? that is a great point. employers, particularly small businesses, the catering industry, restaurants and hotels, social care, care homes, they will have to start paying and recognising why aren't they attracting uk workers? why are people thinking we don't want to fill these jobs, we will let the eu citizens fill them? small businesses will be up in arms today, they will say, hold on, you will hate our profits and our workforce and the care sector needs about 90,000 workers. —— you will hit our profits. but the owners, as we will hear in the media, will be to train up the british public to fill these posts which have been va ca nt fill these posts which have been vacant for a long time. briefly, you have said you would prefer an skilled migrants to come here in big numbers, butjust to

work, not to bring families? the system in dubai, which i see, it is very simple. you go out, you work, you can't bring your family, very simple. you go out, you work, you can't bring yourfamily, you will never get permanent, you can earn as much as you want, work as much as you want, it sends money home, no limits as long as you have employment. you can't claim benefits. it seems to work fine. we could say that you could come here, you cannot bring your families over, once you have finished your work for five or ten years you can rejoin your workers. lots of migrants do not want that families to be the schools here, they have sends money home and got the best schools in, say, india or pakistan. what about the one 5 million people already here, illegal people, who we are chasing. —— 1.5 million people. they have been working underground with no id orfake id. shouldn't we do something about them? we ignore that

ghost community, we need to bring them into the system. why not say you are already working, we will give you yearly visas and renew them, but you will not get permanent residency. i wish we could have had more time. we will talk again once you get to germany, no doubt, sabine. can i do one more? i feel like a commodity when i listen to what people are saying. i feel really, really sorry for britain. yes, we will speak again, thank you for having me. safe journey. thank you. still to come before 11... the home secretary is set to annoumce that middle—class drug—users will be targeted as part of a crackdown on the causes of violent crime. if you would describe yourself, amongst other things, as a middle—class drug user, we want your reaction. and we will talk to the physicist who has been suspended

from his university after claiming men are being discriminated against in the field of physics. he used some choice phrases as well. time for the latest news — here'sjoanna. the bbc news headlines this morning: theresa may has insisted that the uk will have control of its immigration policy for the first time in decades after brexit. the prime minister has confirmed that the government will implement a new "skills—based" immigration system after leaving the european union. she said that it will be "workers' skills that matter, not where they come from." officials in indonesia say the death toll from friday's devastating earthquake and tsunami has risen to more than 1,200. there's growing anger over indonesia's response to the disaster. survivors are facing a fifth day without water or power. the united nations says up to 200,000 people are in desperate need of aid, but rescue workers are still struggling to reach them. the uk government is sending £2 million to help with the relief effort.

a group of mothers are at the high court this morning, to challenge surrey county council's proposed cut to its special needs and disability budget. the women all have disabled children, and theirjudicial review will contend that they should have been consulted on the planned £21 million cuts. surrey county council says its focus is to make sure children get the support they need. a man has been shot and injured by police during a dawn raid in birmingham in which six people were arrested for firearms offences. officers forced entry to the house in the edgbaston area of the city, at around five o'clock this morning. the man shot by police during the raid was taken to hospital with an arm injury which is not believed to be life—threatening. west midlands police says four men and two women were arrested during the pre—planned operation and a firearm was recovered from the scene. a budget airline that began offering long—haul flights from uk airports to the us earlier this year has collapsed. the icelandic—owned primera airline ceased all operations at midnight, with many passengers stranded and unsure of alternative travel options. flights to washington and new york due to leave stansted on monday

night were grounded and passengers have been told not to go to the airport on tuesday. a senior italian scientist who said the field of physics "was invented and built by men", has been suspended from working with the european nuclear research centre, cern. professor alessandro strumia made the remarks during a presentation to a group of mainly female physicists in geneva, claiming the industry now looked more favourably on women than men. cern has said his presentation was "unacceptable", while professor strumia has stood by his remarks, which he says are backed up by simple research. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with holly. manchester united are back in champions league action later but this morning the focus is once again on jose mourinho's future at old trafford.

during his latest press conference, he fielded questions about what losing to valencia this evening would mean for him and his players — as he admitted some care more than others. meanwhile, bournemouth are up to seventh in the premier league after a 2—1 home win over crystal palace. the winner came from a junior stanislas spot kick in the 87th minute. wbc heavyweight champion deontay wilder and tyson fury turn on the drama as — having to be separated on stage during a news conference to promote their heavyweight title fight in decembe. wilder will defend his wbc world heavyweight title against fury at the staples center in los angeles on december 1st. deontay wilder says he will not be taking tyson fury lately. —— lightly. maya gabeira of brazil has set a new world record for the largest ever wave surfed by a woman. she conquered the giant 20.72 metre wave in portugal back injanuary, but the record was only officially confirmed this week.

that's all the sport for now. back to you, victoria. good morning. 36 minutes past ten. middle class drug—users are to be targeted as part of a crackdown on the causes of violent crime. the home secretary sajid javid will announce the plans in his conservative party conference speech later. wealthier drug users have been linked to the rise in gang—related knife crime in london and other cities. this graph shows statistics published in the crime survey for england and wales — it shows that cocaine use among people from wealthier homes in england and wales is at its highest in nearly a decade. you can see this on the screen, how much you consume in that income bracket compared to lower incomes. joining us now in the studio is mark dempster, a former drug addict, now harley street drugs councillor, max daley, investigativejournalist and global drugs editor at vice uk, and from liverpool is dr suzi gage, who is a drugs and mental health researcher and lecturer at liverpool university. welcome, all of you. 0k,

welcome, all of you. ok, this link, max, between middle—class cocaine users and violent crime on the streets of london, how do you regard it? yeah, the idea that if you can... if middle—class cocaine slaughters all stop snorting cocaine, the idea that will have any sort of impact whatsoever on the street killings in london is totally laughable —— cocaine snorters. there is not really any connection. i have investigated this. i have spoken to the people who have stabbed other people, i have spoken to stabbing victims, and this is not about, in the main, about the drug trade. these killings in london are all linked to petty social media beefs, poor school libraries... but there is some linked to drugs —— postcode rivalries. but "vulnerable" kids,

taking cocaine to the home counties to sell to the middle—class drug use was... county lines is a slightly different thing, out of london, because that is london gang and there are some kind of gang rivalries there, because it is new, fresh turf, so there are some linked to drugs there, but in london, and i have looked into it... the killings in the last month, and there are a very tenuous links. fair enough. when the tories say there's this link between middle—class coke snorters and young teenagers killing each other on the streets of london, it's just not true. that each other on the streets of london, it'sjust not true. that is interesting. mark, what about the fa ct interesting. mark, what about the fact there is a demand, apparently, from the middle—class people fergal keane, and that somebody has to supply that, hence the link to violent crime? to you by that? -- middle—class people for cocaine. i

think robberies did move into the drug trade in the a.d. s and name the polite but i think it is a mistake for us to place it in one particular social network and see it as the middle—class is —— in the 19805 as the middle—class is —— in the 1980s and the 1990s, but i think it isa mistake. 1980s and the 1990s, but i think it is a mistake. it depends on what your friends is a mistake. it depends on what yourfriends alike. is a mistake. it depends on what your friends alike. would you say it is normalised in british society?m is normalised in british society?m is very normalised. a lot of stu d e nts is very normalised. a lot of students get cocaine, you can get it quite cheaply, but a very quick point. the reason i am so unhappy with the tories and also cressida dick, the head of the met... who made the linked earlier this summer. yes, the reason i am not happy with that, this kind of clouds the true reasons why these people are killing each other and it is not to do with the drug trade or middle—class coke snorters, but it is to do with young social excluded people, inequality, people getting excluded from people at quite an early age, and it is to do with people kind of living in

quite claustrophobic housing estates, where petty beefs turn into... yes, well, let me bring in, ifi into... yes, well, let me bring in, if i may, suzi, well that what is your link between that your take on this link between cocaine users and violent crime? i pretty much agree with everything said survivors like to see your grasp, but i think although it looks like the bark of people with the highest income are using cocaine actually there are not as many people in that bar, so the percentage of people in that group might be using more cocaine but actually cooking is used across society, as has been said, and actually those kind of service —— cocaine is used across society. we might not be getting a very accurate picture from that kind of grass anyway. fair enough. let me read you anyway. fair enough. let me read you a couple of messages. kate has texted, "drug users need to take

responsibility for the misery. they are responsible for funding at all the years of drug networks." alex, "not the only victims of the stray but seem to be the only victims considered." this one, "i am a lower class cannabis user and i don't see any problem with smoking that however there is a massive problem in the uk with hard drugs and also prescribed medications, no matter what social class you are. for example i have heard of people in the it industry taking adhd managed to get ahead. the scene with banker ta kes to get ahead. the scene with banker takes and cocaine. a worrying trend overall. if people feel they need to push the limits and take drugs to get ahead." this one. cocaine use is now common in our village, she doesn't say which village. i have been told the police have better things to worry about than people with 50 grams of cork in their pockets and i worry about the kids being brought up with the ball with this attitude. our village has been overwhelmed with drugs —— 50 grams of coke. yes, and i think in the 80s

and late 70s it was restricted cocaine used to particular social networks and now, in the last 15—10 years, definitely, it is widespread in every social group. from your barristers, your brokers, scaffolder is, right across the board, because it is cheap, very cheap now. it has we nt it is cheap, very cheap now. it has went right down, and the availability is massive in this country. is it any more available, mark, in this country, than it used to be? wires that? it is way more easy to smuggle, —— max. and why is that? there are huge amount of people smuggling it in. as we have been talking about, it is way cheaper than it used to be. it is to be not affordable to most people, you know, in their 80s and 90s, mandigers to get a grant for as little as 30 quid. what did it used

to be? —— you can get a gram for as little as 30 quid. sign it is to be 80 quid. the customs, excise, there is not the same manpower. there is much more resources, much more sophisticated... the networks, the criminal networks, are much more sophisticated. the technology, modern technology, it makes it much more accessible. with the internet, you can order stuff on the internet, the dark web. there are many more routes for the drugs to come through. the supply is abundant. in terms of your own expertise and uronen research, suzi, what do you think the home secretary should be doing when it comes to the link between drugs and violent crime? the advisory council list use of drugs in britain prevention reports suggest actually the opposite should be done, that getting tough on users is not evidence —based to reduce used, not evidence —based to reduce crime, it is a sort of easy win,

very easy to say but actually if everybody stopped using cocaine, would that stop violent crime? i doubt it. ok, thank you all of you, thank you very much. that is it. i'm so sorry. we have the top two passengers from this airline that went bust. but the home secretary speaks live on bbc did a —— we have to speak to passengers. coming up... shortly we'll be talking to professor alessandro strumia, who's been suspended from his university after claiming that men aree being discriminated in the field of physics. it was a bit more than that. we will speak about that. passengers have been left stranded across the world after the budget airline primera air went bust at midnight. the 14—year—old low—budget company had begun offering long—haul flights to new york, washington and toronto from london sta nsted and birmingham airports earlier this year. primera said it had failed to secure long—term financing, meaning it had "no choice" but to file for bankruptcy.

let's speak to two people affected by the airlines collapse. pavithra priyadarshini is a student stranded at washington dc airport, and ellie fleming is from cambridgeshire and is travelling alone for the first time, on her first holiday for ten years. she's meant to be flying home from washington on monday next week and now has no idea how she'll do so. firstly, pavithra, when did you know the airline had gone bust? ake here to check in my luggage and there was a sign saying that —— i came here. there was a sign saying the flights with primera were cancelled. how did you react? i did not know what to do. until now... i don't know what i am going to do. i am just sitting in the airport. i tried to contact

other airlines. first, i the airport. i tried to contact otherairlines. first, itried contacting primera air, and all their office is completely shut down, all their customer service com pletely down, all their customer service completely not in action now. so i do not know what to do. ijust went to other airlines, united, do not know what to do. ijust went to otherairlines, united, british airways, everyone. they are demanding a huge amount of money. $3000 for a ticket. they had seats in the next flight. my flight was at 9:20pm, and the next flight was at 10:20pm, and there were flights at 10:45pm, so there were three flights after this flight and they had seats on the flight. i asked for a ticket. iama on the flight. i asked for a ticket. i am a british resident now, studying in the united kingdom, i showed my student id card, and i literally told them i cannot pay that huge amount of money, but i

think all the airlines are making use of the situation, and they are demanding a huge amount of money, $3000, $2600, after a student discount they get $2000 for a single trip. let me bring in ellie. you're currently in north virginia, you had a flight booked back to the uk for next monday. what happens to you now? i'm just next monday. what happens to you now? i'mjust going next monday. what happens to you now? i'm just going to have to find a new flight, i guess! i onlyjust found out six hours ago from my mum. they didn't contact me or anyone, it seems, and they have just ceased contact, ceased operation. not let anyone know, not refunding anyone by the looks of it, and i willjust have to find my way, but i am fine because i have luckily got people around me who will help me out, but i feel for people who are not in the same situation, so... ok. you don't sound too worried, but i think you

are being pragmatic, aren't you?m is because i am sleep deprived! haven't really been able to sleep since i found out. call me naive, but i didn't think this was a possibility. i didn't know this could acquire, so... laughter i'm stilla laughter i'm still a bit shocked. ok, fair enough. —— i didn't know that this could acquire. do you think you will be like? i should be, it's fine, but they were direct flights, they had deals, and it was a nice flight on the way here because they were brand—new, swanky aeroplanes, but apparently they had the money for that but not the money to get us back which is perplexing but, yeah, i'm sure! back which is perplexing but, yeah, i'm sure i will freak out, but not quite yet. well, i'm very impressed, i have to say. pavithra, you are going to have to get home at some point. how are you going to do it?” am trying to book the other tickets now, but the other flights are

tonight and tomorrow evening, so tonight and tomorrow evening, so tonight $1400 was the cheapest, so tomorrow evening i am trying to book some tickets, because i don't have any other accommodation here and i cannot afford all rooms here. so i am trying to figure it out. i am asking for help from my friends.” think you need to be in the uk soon to meet your student visa requirements? yeah, yeah, i have to be there. to meet both the usa visa requirements and uk requirements, i have to be there, in the uk, and i have to be there, in the uk, and i have to be there, in the uk, and i have to leave the usa as soon as possible. so i'm figuring it out. 0k. possible. so i'm figuring it out. ok. i did not sleep the whole night. it is 5:49am here and i have not slept for the whole night, i don't know what is happening. i havejust ask for help from my parents and my

friends and they are trying to help me out. so in a couple of hours i will be able to figure it out. ok, i wish you all the best, and ellie as well. thank you very much. wish you all the best and hopefully see you both soon. thank you very much. by. bye. a prominent italian physicist alessandro strumia gave a talk at cern — the world famous nuclear research centre in geneva. in it he said that men were being discriminated against because of ideology. this is despite, he claimed, physics being, in his words, "invented and built by men". professor strumia's presentation said that female researchers in italy tended to benefit from either free or cheaper university education, while oxford university in england extends exam times for women's benefit. he also presented data that he said

showed that male and female researchers were equally cited at the start of their careers but as men's careers progressed they were cited more and more often. "cited" meaning quoted or referred to. but despite that data he said women were favoured when it came to hiring. i hope that made sense. cern said they consider the presentation highly offensive and have suspended professor strumia immediately pending an investigation. critics say the evidence he cites in his presentation is poorly researched and misrepresented. let's talk to him. he is called professor alessa nd ro let's talk to him. he is called professor alessandro strumia and we will speak to him on the phone in a moment but first of all... dr francesca vidotto. she, like professor strumia, is an italian physicist, and is a postdoc at the university of the basque country.

she doesn't want to speak to him. could you explain via? you in the audience. physics has been dominated by men, for a long time, until the mid—1900s, women couldn't even attend university, so to think their contribution to physics could even be compared on the same level two men is ridiculous. it is a subject really need a properly... proper university education in order to be able to do it, and there has been a lot of research recently into the bias in women's progress through their careers, so the presentation like this delivered by someone with immense authority in a really senior position is quite frightening, and seeing it happen to an audience of mainly early career researchers is something i am not happy with, and i think lots of the studies he went on to state during that presentation, using the google mammal for to state during that presentation, using the google mammalfor an example, or the work of simon baron corn, are lots of the iq variability

hypothesis, have been disputed extensively elsewhere, and there is a lot of evidence to say women are just a successful and good at physics and there are other structural biases in society. actually there is a phenomenal book, on my t—shirt, which really disputes all of these claims and provides the evidence for why they are so incorrect. why don't you want to talk directly to him. i don't want people thinking i am responsible for what has happened. i tweeted about it because whilst i am an early career researcher in physics and i hold lots of these temporary contract scientists have i don't work in high energy physics so it is unlikely my career will be impacted by this man, but there are an awful lot of people in that audience and around the world who have a contract thatis around the world who have a contract that is three years and then we'll go to that is three years and then we'll gotoa that is three years and then we'll go to a selection committee who could have one of these kind of people on it. it could even have professor strumia on it, and i don't wa nt professor strumia on it, and i don't want the biases you hold against women apparently to have an impact

on their careers. i suppose... i am very frightened now after a night of abuse from trolls that he could actually have an impact on me... really? yeah. quite rightly, he is a scientist comedy is completely allowed to have his own opinion and be able to do whatever he wants, but i think it's not a very nice thing to present those kind of opinions to an audience of early career women, andi an audience of early career women, and i think if he had had proper evidence to say that maybe, you know, 100 years ago women were given equal access to be able to study physics or be able to do things and they still didn't come through and contribute, if there had been evidence towards that, maybe we would have listened. now there are an awful lot of structural things in science that stop women from being able to succeed, whether it is this bias in citation, promotion, orjust that so many of the important scientific meetings and discussions happen late at night or at international conferences where women can't attend due to childcare. let me bring in professor strumia.

he didn't wish to show his face. why is that, professor strumia ? he didn't wish to show his face. why is that, professor strumia? well, i just like to have a private life. i don't do political activism, i do science. why did you use the data that you used in front of that particular audience? cern, for some reason, organised a workshop about gender, and in this workshop, very offensive things against men are being said. men discriminate against us in citations and hiring and everywhere. as i am a scientist, i don't get offended. if it is true, it's true, so what i did was to take the data, all the papers in citations in physics in the past 40 years in all the world, and check if this was true... much of that data has been disputed. disputes...

mathematics. they like to discredit and dispute everything, sure. repeat the analysis and see what happens, 0k? the analysis and see what happens, ok? i did it honestly, and the result was not what they expected. 0k, result was not what they expected. ok, i'm sure you heard what doctor drjess wade who was in the audience said, and you heard that she is genuinely frightened you might impact her career detrimentally because of the views you hold? impact her career detrimentally because of the views you hold ?m impact her career detrimentally because of the views you hold? it is ridiculous. she can download all the data, check if i am a sexist. i am in the middle of the community, when ido in the middle of the community, when i do citations. like everybody else, we only care about merit. we don't do politics. don't worry, don't worry. just pause for a moment. you

may not want to react to what the professor has just said, dr wade, but you can't react if you wish to. couldn't take any paper because i don't work in the same field as him soiam don't work in the same field as him so i am not enter concern about ten impacting my career in that way but ido impacting my career in that way but i do think he is involved in the selection of students, interviewing of women are looking at the grant applications from women or other underrepresented minorities in science, and he clearly holds this bias and anger against them, whether he thinks they have been promoted due to the organism or he thinks they have got to where they are just because they are a woman and have been put forward unnecessarily —— due to tokenism. i think that is not right and! due to tokenism. i think that is not right and i guess that is my problem. professor alessandro strumia, we have any time left, but are you sexist? no. by the way, you

can check my citations... ok, we are coming to the end of the programme. we will pause there, but thank you very much, professor alessandro strumia, and thank you very much for coming onto the programme, drjess wade. thanks for your time. bbc newsroom live is coming up. have a good day. back tomorrow at nine. hello. good morning. a cloudy start for many of us. rain affected many parts, including england and wales. grey skies across england and wales. this is cambridge at the moment. some brightness and sunshine across scotland, the north—eastern parts of england. here, you will see sunnier spells developing as the day goes on. staying cloudy in northern ireland, the midlands and southern areas of england. the threat of rain and drizzle, but quite mild afternoon, temperatures up to about 15-20d. afternoon, temperatures up to about

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