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hi, i'm ros atkins reporting from milan. all of this week on outside source, we're looking at populism in europe. our lead story this evening takes us back to the uk. an investigative website has named the second russian accused by british authorities of being behind the nerve agent attack in salisbury as a dr mishkin, working for russian intelligence the far right candidate jair bolsonaro has won the first round of the presidential election. we'll report from rio and sao paolo. here in italy, deputy prime minister matteo salvini and marine le pen have met — are promising a revolution of common sense in europe. i've been talking to one of mr salvini's closest colleagues. people understand when someone talks
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like that, live like that and clearly they are the opposite applies, they understand when politicians are not like that and when they lived on a pedestal above them. we'll be live here in milan with people involved in this country's turbulent politics, and commentators, tweet us your questions and we'll put them to them, the hashtage is bbcos. let's bring you some breaking news — an investigative website has released the name of the second hundreds of tourists and locals around and a guy over there who was working through an extensive rock back catalogue, he assures you that it will be stopped, we will be
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looking at populace in both here in italy, as the government is a populist government and across the continent of europe. let's bring you some breaking news — an investigative website has released the name of the second suspect in the nerve agent attack in salisbury earlier this year. the website bellingcat has named the second suspect in the sergei and yulia skripal poisoning case as dr alexander mishkin. they say he travelled to the uk under the alias alexander petrov. they have already named the first suspect as gru colonel anatoliy chepiga. bellingcat say mishkin, is 39, and a trained military doctor in the employ of the gru. olga ivshina, bbc russian what evidence has he offered to back
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up what evidence has he offered to back up these claims? as you can see, the records in the database, you can see the pictures of mishkin and identified, well, they definitely match, bearing in mind the age difference. the details of that investigation should come tomorrow so investigation should come tomorrow so they should appear with those records. i think your microphone might have fallen off, if you pop it back on we will hear you a little better. while you are doing that, let me ask you have the russians responded to these accusations?m is late night in russia at the moment, so there was no official
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record, and i watched the state tv before i came here and there was no reaction there. they were just following their usual schedule. so the only reaction is on social media and as usual, that is divided. those we re and as usual, that is divided. those were saying that again, these are just rumours and blank allegations, no hard evidence. but more and more people astray in the question because it has been surprising two weeks, more and more people, the evidence that is presented by the western intelligence and by journalists is quite sufficient. there's not much that we know at the moment that we know about alexander mishkin, but the only thing we have are his passport photos information from the internal data base, are his passport photos information from the internal database, russian database. so we can already see his
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pictures, was his identity was alexander petrov by the police. he promised to publish the detailed report. thank you very much indeed. more coverage of that to the website, or you can find the original claims on the website. welcome to outside source live from milan. we are on a road trip from italy to austria and finally ending up in germany at the end of the week. today we are looking at the issue of populism. but first — let's look at the word itself — the coalition government from there, we will move to munich and go to
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germany around regional politics and also the places most influential our national discussions as well. before we go any further, before we update you on the seismic moment for brazilian politics, that's get a definition for populism. we set a challenge for one of our bbc colleagues, to explain populism in 60 seconds. i have a friend who voted for the exit, she says populace is getting the people what they want is abuzz with the government says they want. populist appeal to that sentiment of being disenfranchised. and i think on the left, it manifests itself as people saying that the fat cats have got it all and then not letting us have it, so we need to tax the fat
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cats more and other right it is the shirkers and the slackers are not pulling their weight and are using up pulling their weight and are using up our welfare of that fits in blowing up our schools and immigrants taking odd jobs. what they want from politicians and what politicians want to give them is a simple solution, a bold solution that makes him feel like they've got a slightly better grasp on it. and there's a strong example of populism going on, across the atlantic in brazil, a first round presidential election was won by jair bolsonaro, a former army captain, who wants tougher punishments for criminals, more relaxed gun laws and who takes a strong stance against abortion rights. he won 46% of yesterday's vote. this is his opponent fernando haddad 29% from brazil's more relaxed gun laws and who takes a strong stance against abortion rights. a former army captain, who wants tougher punishments for criminals,
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that collection was good enough for a lot of voters. he has not won yet, he will be up against... this is his opponent fernando haddad 29% from brazil's workers party, the same as lula da silva, who tried to register as a candidate while in jailfor corruption. there will be a run off on 28 october, between the two candidates. mr bolsonaro had previously boasted a run off wouldn't be necessary, and he very nearly managed it. this is a video he has put out, saying electronic voting machines messed up the vote count, depriving him of an outright win in the first round. he says he is already in talks with other lawmakers in congress to form a government after the second vote. katy watson.
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speak to people here in you get a real sense ofjust how angry brazilians are. the desire for change and something different, even if that means an untested candidate, and unpredictable candidate, many people are willing to give it a go. let's make no bones about it. president trump is inspiring people in many parts of the world. populist‘s like his language, and they're inspired by the fact that he succeeded a tube that language and policies all the way to being in power. here in italy, we have for parties talking about, italy first, brazil, he has used the term, nick brazil, he has used the term, nick brazil grade again, and listen to this, bolsonaro supporter. he's tried to do the same david
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donald trump is doing in the us, fighting against the deep state, political correctness, i don't think so political correctness, i don't think so about him being xenophobic or sexist, it is all about feelings, not facts. proved to me that he is being xenophobic and racist. everything that has been said about him being a racist is fake news. julia carnero at rio dejaneiro julia, many find him completely unacceptable so why is he proving so popular? there are a lot of reasons for that, and the people who cannot understand that are completely desperate at the moment trying to find out what happened to the country. but he is really gaining ground because of the deep anti—workers party sentiment in the country at the moment. we have seen
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many corruption scandals are merger of the past years in brazil ended these corruption scandals and the feeling that the workers parties on one to blame for the problems of brazil have led to lots of rejection of this party that has been ruling the country that have ruled the country for over ten years was impeached two years ago. now and turned, this breadth is very conservative wave of people embracing bolsonaro with this very strong language in people are saying they're voting for him because he is they're voting for him because he is the last worst option because they do not want to vote for the workers party. and this is tearing families and friends apart because you have this problem with people not recognising each other. how can you blow for him are how can you go for the other? and whoever the next president of brazil turned out to be in the second round, i think it is certain to say that we will see some damage done to social circles of
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friends and families here in brazil. in people watching on the news channel in the uk, will see this from the brexit referendum, will recognise that from what is happening as a consequence of donald trump successesbecause italy has a populist government entity has opinion, no known phase the known phase is salvini, based here its the home town of matteo salvini. here he is the leader of the far—right the league, which allied itself with this man luigi di maio and his anti—establishment five star movement to create the populism coalition. you can see salvini's right wing coalition and di maio's five star has the biggest share of votes.
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but it's salvini who has become the face of populism in italy. his party got i7% of the boat, but the 5—star movement over 30%. but is the 5—star movement over 30%. but is the rhetoric, the style will stop in part because of quotes like this: quote: "history will entrust us with the role of saving european values." and a lot of people admire what they call his straight—talking. so what attracts italian‘s to salvini and his populist coalition? they say that there is an elite that people need to push back against. a former director, he am is became prime minister in may but no coalition was emerging, but here he
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is with his thoughts on where going to. a so—called social ladder. the social escalator. the thing that allows you, you are born poor, you may end up rich. the social ladder. it is not working and we need to understand why it's not working and make it work better. without this, people do not have a future and start believing in false recipes, these delusions and that is what i'm concerned about. with me is anna momigliano who's a journalist and contributor to foreign policy and laura silvia bataglia freelance a journalist and filmmaker. it to see you both in the good news is that the guitarist has stopped. so this weekend talked about him doing covers in the background. let's start off with the economy. it has been stagnating for a while now, is that to help us understand what
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is that to help us understand what is going on the delay right now?m is going on the delay right now?m is really very funny that before, the league the party, and then we have arrived now to this and all of this to your point, there is a high sense of nationalism against your up and against the models of the economy and the development of your up. —— yourup. and they promised new employment, new lows, new revelations especially for people who are not involved with the public state but freelancers, did not match the... my neck so the
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economy is one part of the occasion, is personality another par? another part? i think, is personality another par? another part? ithink, definitely, is personality another par? another part? i think, definitely, the economy in italy in particular is shaping the direction that the population is getting, but it is not the core of it, the league and the five stars are a very different economically, and when you look at where they get the vote, the 5—star skip the vote in the south which is very poor and unemployed into the league gets its votes in the north, which is where unemployment is not as much a problem. i think there is definitely a personality from salvini, and the five stars used to
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have this comedian turned politician who is very flamboyant and this probably, that feature of populism, is probably finding its roots in that the people have completely lost its faith in traditional politics and in programmes, so what they're looking for isjust and in programmes, so what they're looking for is just a leader. someone is charismatic, who was volcanic mechanic give you easy answers quickly. you're going to be coming back later in the programme, if you have questions about populism, send them my way, in a few minutes, we'll continue to talk about the situation here and italy while we can learn more broadly about the direction of the european politics. a reminder that if you want more
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information on all the stories we're covering here on outside source. you can get it on our website, which can download via the app on your smartphone. the plant behind me is going to be going off—line, but this year in the uk, not across the eu, but in leading markets like china. last month alone, sales in china dropped bya month alone, sales in china dropped by a whopping 46%, making a huge dent in the company's sales overall. ina dent in the company's sales overall. in a statement today, they said it's focused on achieving operational efficiencies and will supply the demand as required. it also says the customer orders will not be impacted
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in that those people who were working here during those two weeks will still be paid. this is outside source live from the bbc newsroom. will continue to bring you all of the main stories of the day and our lead story is the investigative website is named the second suspect in the salisbury poisoning, they say that doctor mishkin it works for russian military intelligence. as we've said before, we chose to come to milan because it's the capital of a northern league heartland, lombardy — and the birthplace of matteo salvini, the league's leader and italy's interior minister. but remember, the league are in government in coalition. de maio with luigi de
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maio's 5 star movement — another populist party. and if you look at the actual share of votes in the italian election — 5 star actually got far more votes 32%. than the northern league across the country. but since that election, it's fair to say italian politics has been dominated by matteo salvini. if you look at this map you'll see that most of 5 star's support is down south. from rome, we can talk to alessandro corvi who's an activist for the movement. the economy is under italy has the third biggest economy in the euro zone, but growth is
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elusive and its national debt is the biggest in the eu in cash terms. as a response, the government's new government plan seeks to tax less and spend and borrow more and the eu is unimpressed. in part because there is a connection between servicing that debt and this budget plan. the government raises money through tax and by issuing government bonds. but if people are concerned they won't get their money back on those bonds, they have to be paid more to be persuaded to invest and that increases the cost of government borrowing and the chance of a default and puts pressure on everyone who is invested in italian debt. in particular, italian banks. for that reason and a number of others, the eu is explicit. this government plan risks harming the italian economy. the italian government counters that the increased spending on pensions and income support will help the economy and increased tax and reduce debt. and the standoff is notjust about economics, italy's new government sees the extent the eu government's powers as a problem. it's choosing this budget plan along
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with immigration as two issues in which to make that point. the populace would argue that if the markets are worried, they should be, not because this budget plan will harm italy's economy, but because they want to overhaul the hall how politics and finance work. there are plenty of blunt messages in italy's national discourse of the moment, the eu has to decide which ones he national discourse of the moment, the eu has to decide which ones it wants to listen to. he said that it is definitely staying and the euro. claudia is the this is what claudio borghi, the economics chief for the league party said last week about the eu's threat to reject their new budget. but before the coalition there were attempts to form a technocrat government to lead italy to new elections.
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this failed in a matter of days. the man who was selected to run that stopgap government was carlo cotta relli, an ecomomist and former director of the international monetary fund. i've been speaking to him about his assessment of italy's economic situation. this is his assessment of the economy. i feel that italy has come from a difficult period from an economic point of view. italy had essentially no growth for 20 years. in terms of purchasing power, the per capita income is what it was 20 yea rs per capita income is what it was 20 years ago. this certainly has created a lot of unhappiness of the establishment. this leads to what is unsustainable. an politics is partly about perception and reality, are you concerned about the standoff between the european union and the
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italian government on this budget because the one being presented is that this is another example of undemocratic institutions and european constitution what atkinson italy? -- what happens in italy. think about that as a message. it is that the government, the foreigners are a leading italy, the money comes from italians. they have to decide whether to do this for their own government and sometimes they do and continue doing it, but the last few months, the italians wanted the higher interest rate to borrow from their own government. why? because they were afraid the government may not pay back. if you are wondering
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why this standoff between the eu and italy will play out, italy will have to provide the european commission with this budget plan, they will consider it and it could draw a negative conclusion and they could send it back and say, take a few weeks to see if you want to change her mind. in theory, if the tying government did not change its mind, the commission could begin goal against italy and escalate quite seriously. but if you want an idea on the level of animosity that is playing out here, the italian government today called him the enemy of thunderstorms, torrential rain,
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snow, it is all going on across the area and we are to a close eye on hurricane michael, going to warm waters of the gulf of mexico, on the coastline of alabama and georgia and eventually bringing heavy rain to the carolinas, eventually bringing heavy rain to the ca rolinas, and eventually bringing heavy rain to the carolinas, and here is michael ona the carolinas, and here is michael on a satellite picture, the swirl of clouds your bringing in some heavy rain and strong winds, working its way northwards and as it moves through this warm water it will intensify to become a major hurricane headed making landfall on wednesday. bringing damaging winds and torrential rain endangers storm surges as well. further north we have this very sharp temperature across the area, and northwestern states, cold air here, and of this further south, warm and humid in where there are two what masses colliding, this front stretching from the great lakes down to the
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texas area, some torrential rain on this level in excess of 100 mm just 24 this level in excess of 100 mm just 2a hours into the northern air, but cookies and cold air, which means nothing likes of wyoming and dakota, also off the rockies and the great basin, that standing into manitoba and saskatchewan later in the week. in the middle east was normally quite quiet, these tropicals are bringing some barrier strong winds and heavy rain to the arabian sea and heavy rain to the arabian sea and it is working its way towards the area, and it will begin to wea ken the area, and it will begin to weaken as it approaches land but it will have some very heavy rain later in the week. coast of australia wary of scenes and droughts across south wells over the past few months, and the last week or so the is a very heavy rain and more to come through wednesday, some of that rain extending connected to a front that has been sneaking its way northwards across new zealand to wednesday and
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thursday, so some unsettled outbreaks, ran on the south island, and towards the end of week but a p pa re ntly and towards the end of week but apparently an settled area, partly sunny and partly cloudy, so showers across europe where we've got this warm extending, across much of the continent. so rise in the temperature over the coming days, but still some unsold whether to follow scotland, and down to parts of the parts of southeastern spain, temperatures well above average for what is approaching the middle of october and in that warm for a few more days. more the warmth in the uk coming up in one of the week ahead. as the forecast for europe over the next five days, that is all for me. bye— bye. hello, i'm ros atkins. welcome back to outside source and welcome back to an ever quieter evening in milan in italy. all week long, we're looking
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at populism in europe. italy has had a populist government sincejune. italy has had a populist government since june. while we're italy has had a populist government sincejune. while we're on the road, also keep you up—to—date on the lead stories. an investigative website has named the second russian accused by british authorities of being behind the nerve agent attack in salisbury as a dr mishkin, working for russian intelligence. we'll update you on a chastening climate change report that says there is under 20 years to avoid disaster. as if to illustrate the connections between different populist parties interrupt. deputy prime minister matteo salvini and marine le pen have met, promising a revolution of common sense in europe. i've been talking to one of mr salvini's closest colleagues. translation: people understand when someone talks like them, live like them. and clearly, then, the opposite applies. they understand when politicians are not like them and they live on a pedestal above them.
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remember, if you've got questions on european populism. send them my way. the hashtag is #bbcos. as you may well have seen, that's been the starkest of warnings on climate change today. temperatures could rise to as much as three degrees above. this is coming from the ip cc. it is released a 32 page
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report. it is also saying they're working to do all it can to reduce the rise to 1.5 celsius. before we get any more details, here is a co—author of the report. so, the scale of the changes that we are experiencing in the climate system is unprecedented. the scale of the changes that humans would have to implement in order to keep climate change under control is unprecedented. so it's a challenge for human civilisation, and this report is therefore a milestone in conveying that message to human society. let's be clear, even if the temperature was capped at 1.5 degrees, above preindustrial levels, they are telling us that would still be much more stream whether, that was still meet an increase in sea level of up to ten cm and it would still mean millions of people at risk. this is another of the co—authors. we will see more people in poverty, we will see more people going hungry, we will see
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livelihoods in many parts of the developing world threatened because of impacts on agricultural systems, ecosystems and crops. so there are substantial costs from not acting on climate change. the report says there needs to be significant shifts in the four global systems — land use, cities, industry and energy. here's a representative of the environmental organisation, greenpeace. the renewable energy revolution that we've already seen unfolding around the world is going to be the key to the solution that starts from the energy sector and spreads to other sectors. i think we can definitely still do this, if we decide that that's what we want to do. all of this is within the context of the paris climate agreement. remember, that being signed back in 2016. almost 200 countries the signatories. in the lester, donald
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trump pulled the us out of it. you see this today, where does paris fit into one that? i spoke to navin khadka, the bbc‘s environment correspondent. that agreement was signed and celebrated. but since then, there have been countries raising concerns that going up to degrees is not enough, so1.5 is that going up to degrees is not enough, so 1.5 is what they have to aim for. that way to implement at the man's... aim for. that way to implement at the man's. .. and aim for. that way to implement at the man's... and scientists were asked to prepare this report and here we are. it says 1.5 has to be it, not two. let's come back to the issue of populism in european politics because italy is a fascinating case study. populism is and is influenced politics, it's at the centre of politics. italy has a populist
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government. the two most popular figures are these men. matteo salvini, the league's leader and italy's interior minister. he is the most high—profile figure. the other is the leader of the 5—star movement. it is curious how he has become the face of discovered because he did not get more votes. if you particularly focus on this graphic, it highlights that the 5—star movement is performing very well in the south of italy. let's try and understand why. from rome, we can talk to alessandro corvi, who's an activist for the movement. thanks for being with us. did you have any doubts about working with the league in government? personally, no doubts. it's not a coalition. it's a very new figure
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for italy because it's a contract between the two parties. until the to continue to respect the contract, there is no worries. anything to worry about, let's say. and white are you an activist? what does it represent for you that is so good for italy? that is a big question. i would say that is the first time that we have a government that is really focused on the needs of people, on the basic needs of people. and in terms of the revolution coming out from the programme that five—star's movement brought into the contract of the government, it states points that we have been waiting for ages, say, 20,
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30 years at least. yesterday, i was talking with an mp from the link you suggested that immigration is an attack on italian identity on an attack on italian identity on an attack on italian identity on an attack on european identity. to you and five—star agree with that?” would say, first of all, i'm an activist so i hope i focus on what are the main instances of the 5—star movement on the issue of immigrants. i personally am really confident that the 5—star movement and the league, together in this contract, are facing a problem on the correct perspective, finally. alessandro, before i let you go, if i called you
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a populist, would you mind? not at all, sir. and what is being a populist mean to you? that's a good question. this word, it changes. it has more than one perspective. until it is meant as a power... interlude is meant as facing what are the real deep and profound needs of the population, it's ok. it's ok also for me to be called populist. alessandro, thank you very much indeed. alessandro is an activist for the 5—star movement and he's based in rome. from italian politics, let's turn to
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american politics. president trump said he'd found christine blasey ford to be a "very credible" witness. he seems to have changed his mind. but he's a great person, and it was very, very unfair what happened to him. false charges. false accusations. horrible statements that were totally untrue that he knew nothing about. frankly, terms that he probably never heard in his life. "he was this, he was that." he never even heard of these terms. it was a disgraceful situation brought about by people that are evil. and he toughed it out. we all toughed it up together. more on us politics, as usual, and the bbc website. we just played a clip of donald
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trump and we know that the president likes to focus on particular moments and use those moments to communicate to his supporters what he stands for. we see similar tactics from matteo salvini here in italy. one such moment came along injune. i'm sure you remember the case of the vote aquarius. it came from north africa. malta did not want to have a dock, italy did not. salvini said "italy and sicily cannot be europe's refugee camp," and accused charity ships of "acting like?taxis. " in the weeks after that, there was a roar. he spoke to the bbc‘s hard talk programme. translation: we are abiding to these rules, but we want to change them because we can't accept that all migrants get italian cost
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and we have to pay for them. either europe steps in or we do it autonomously. if we look at the stats during the peak of the migrant crisis, we can pull them up here. in 2015, the vast majority of migrants entering europe we re majority of migrants entering europe were entering greece. in 2017, you can see the overall number drops significantly but the biggest input was intuitively. it took in over 65% of all migrants into the eu, and that in short that this became a potent political in italy. the bbc ‘s internals as well. —— james reynolds. this, the mediterranean sea, is why matteo salvini is in power. over the course of several years, more than 600,000 migrants made this difficult, dangerous journey from north africa across to the shores of italy. italians got fed up with this. they threw out their old government and they picked salvini
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and a coalition of the 5—star to go in government as well. the old administration had actually decreased migrant traffic costs the mainstream. got it down by 80%. but matteo salvini has put his own touches to this policy. he has banned rescue boats from docking in italian ports with any rescued migrants. that ban affects this boat, run by a spanish ngo. if this boat manages to pick up anyone in this sea, it will have to sail all the way to barcelona, a journey of several days. it won't be able to dock in sicily or the island of lampedusa. it's salvini's country now. and the message that mr salvini was this. "the good times for illegals are over —
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get ready to pack your bags." it was notjust it was not just a it was notjust a message to migrants, it was a message to italians. i spoke to a man who knows mr salvini as well as any other politician. earlier i spoke to alessandro morelli. i asked him the same question i asked our friend i asked him the same question i asked ourfriend in rome. is he popular be, populist? >> traffic—macro: translation: of course. the single currency, the other two rules made by people not elected by anyone. populist means antiestablishment and to fight for the people. look, we're sitting here ona park the people. look, we're sitting here on a park bench. this is called populism. being close to the people. understanding their needs and then bringing them all the weight to the
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top level where the power is. even top level where the power is. even to the european union. many people would see populism as being against what the european union stands for. why do you wants to stay in the european union? translation: we are the real europhiles. because the same people who built the eu are now destroying it. we want a stronger but also europe of the people and its constituent regions. can you help me understand something about your leader? a few years ago, he was had a pin of che guevara on his jacket. he's gone from being a left—wing secessionists to a right—wing italian nationalists. how do we understand that? translation: very simply. our fight isa translation: very simply. our fight is a fight for territory. we started
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asa is a fight for territory. we started as a political movement based to our found the back founder. —— pixar founder. that is in the past. now, 4000 reasons that are out of our control and probably out of the control of rome itself, rome has given the household keys to brussels. now, the challenge is not malan versus rome, naples versus rome, and i'm talking to the centres of power, but against... as mentioning this quote from matteo salvini earlier. worth reiterating. he says... after he said that, he madejean—claude juncker the president of the european commission. that prompted this tweet. it says...
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i don't know of italians are ready. let's find out. i'm joined by three guests here. alessandro verri, caterina sarfatti amd yuri guaiana. do you think he wants another election? surely not. absolutely, yes. we trust in salvini. you in salvini? the first time i came to a union. i said three words that made me in that place. the territory identity and culture to culture identity and culture to culture identity —— the territory, identity and culture identity. he values those three things but i wonder if you feel he's attacking european identity. i think he's attacking
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european values. european rights. he is clearly picking fights with your up is clearly picking fights with your up constantly. and that goes against the interest of a silly in my opinion. it's improved so much thanks to the european union. —— that goes against the interests of italy. besides values, it's a paradox that salvini talks about the european union, and when he was memberof parliament, he european union, and when he was member of parliament, he was never there. there is one perfect example. the main problem for migration issuesis the main problem for migration issues is the dublin regulation. we know it. is the regulation that tells us refugees... you agree with mr salvini that needs to change? that definitely needs to change. when the european parliament adopted a reform proposal to change it, the league was not there. the the attack european union. can i say
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something about the dublin agreement? it's true it needs to change but the ones supposing that of the national governments. the national government or the council... but that's immigration but what about the idea of the budget? here we have a government that just been elected. budget? here we have a government thatjust been elected. it's got popular support. it wants to increase spending and increase borrowing, reduce taxes, and european union is saying, you cannot do it like that. how do you feel about that? the last italian party, italian governments, said, yes, everything, said yes european. italy did not grow. we want to change this and we want to grow. we want to make italy a great place in europe. we wa nt italy a great place in europe. we want growth. but we have to spend. we have to invest. and europe did
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not do that until now. now we have to change. again, it depends on how you do it. if you increase deficits but you try to decrease your debit, it's something. if you increase deficits and debit, it's a problem not quite what about the principal? you have a government which has it's being told you cannot do it you wa nt it's being told you cannot do it you want byjean—claude juncker and the european commission. the problem is about being in the european union. honestly, i don't want an italian brexit. i want to make the european union stronger, not less stronger. no one wants to go away. we want to change. we want to change. we lost the european value. we lost the european common value but we have just the money common. just this
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one. we have someone just the money common. just this one. we have someone that imposes what we have to do, what we have to eat, what we... how we have to spend our money. can i ask you one question? of only at one minute and i wanted to ask you one question. your party was one of the biggest parties in italian politics till recently and it is not any more. all over europe we are seeing recently and it is not any more. all over europe we are seeing mainstream parties having problems. what do you need to do to get people to believe in you need to do to get people to believe in you again? i have been... i voted for mattia renzi and i have been very disappointed by him. this said, i think the league and 5—star are very good in working on the problems of the italians but not on the solutions. i think the space for the left is to work on the solutions. before we get to it, some questions
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from viewers and a couple of other guests from viewers and a couple of other gu ests to from viewers and a couple of other guests to about. do you think european identity is under pressure because of populism ? european identity is under pressure because of populism? absolutely. i think the european system is under pressure. i think you were saying before that an elected government should do whatever they want. there is rule of law. it's true that there is rule of law. it's true that there isa is rule of law. it's true that there is a problem of inequality in europe. it's completely true. how are you going to solve inequality? i don't think with the solutions. and we know what you think of this crisis because you just told us.” believe there is a crisis. i want to fix this crisis making some rules. nice to see all three of you. thank you very much indeed. ijust want i just want to stand up ijust want to stand up and remind you if you want any background on european politics, you can get it from the bbc website. i'm sending about is we're doing a
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quick turnaround. we've got a question here. "isn't brexit one example of that populism in europe?" did you good as populist? —— did you view it as populist? anxiety, both about the economy and an identity. the league young man said before, people feel... many people feel someone people feel... many people feel someone else is telling them who they are, telling them what you and reaction is to go back to the past. "i want to be england again." and that phrase, take back control as very effective in the uk and making the case for brexit and i have the feeling here that it was also
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powerful in a different way for the league and also 5—star. powerful in a different way for the league and also 5-star. from the economic side, i think brexit pretty much the same. the same feeling in italy. i can say from the side of, for example, migration, there's a significant difference for example, migration, there's a significa nt difference between for example, migration, there's a significant difference between italy and uk. the uk... people are very mixed with each other and there's no comparison with the delete. one must question, a lot of people of race. why is populism seen as a negative? do you see it as a criticism that somebody is populist?” do you see it as a criticism that somebody is populist? i think the term started in a negative connotation but a lot of populist would actually be very proud of it. i think salvini himself... he likes it. he likes being called a populist
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because their message is we are the people as opposed to the elites... yes, i think it is a classic example in which our terms shift as com pletely in which our terms shift as completely meaning depending on who's using it. i am afraid we have to do it off the television because time is up. thank you very much for joining me. tomorrow morning, we are getting up early, heading to verona, jumping ona getting up early, heading to verona, jumping on a train injamaica innsbruck in austria —— and heading to innsbruck. after that, we're going to be in muni. thank you so much for watching. hope you enjoyed our programme here in milan. bye— bye. hello. if you read the weather has started wet or cloudy, we are about to transform things. changing cloud on monday to clear blue sky. much of
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the uk, by wednesday, lifting temperatures to one spots. the warmest october day since 2011. five to8 warmest october day since 2011. five to 8 degrees above normal for this time of year. and that means finally shifting the rain. but the tenets it so shifting the rain. but the tenets it so that we to deny, the good hail of a mast storm shutters over 200 mm here, and it's still raining during tuesday. still that risk of getting some flooding in some travel disruption here. elsewhere in scotland, northern ireland, any rain turns morse patchy —— turns more patchy. 20 degrees but more while going into wednesday finally that what gets the message and clears north. oh and is very warm flow of south —— all in this warm flow from the south. you can see the land... blue sky all the way for many of us.
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this temperatures are funding. even it is common, 20 degrees could be yours. chance of a few showers. towards the end of the day, a more competent by the story going into thursday. —— a more complicated weather story. gap between these weather story. gap between these weather systems. of course, were you got rained after wednesday's blue skies, will fill colour but is still a lot —— will feel cooler. a more significant weather system comes our way for friday. a deep area of low pressure. still some uncertainty about the track but northern ireland and western scotland at the moment, travis winds —— shabbos winds... weather disruptions as a result. something to play for the dg for
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friday. do keep checking the forecast. with that potential impact on travel, it is worth having in your mind in it is turning stormy by the end of the week. what about the satellite pictures? forecasts say this is becoming a hurricane. most likely, heading closer to iberia by the time we get to the weekend but some computer models having a coming a little bit further north. it may be impacting our weather. rain into the uk friday but he may not be exactly where you see it here. outdoor plans saturday and sunday, we'll keep you updated on that. into next week, looks like low pressure will be close to the northwest of the uk. the closer your to that, more likely you'll see spells of and rain. quieter, brighter moments in
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between. not a huge amount of rain pours down the south and east but there will be a little bit at times. still a south—westerly flow coming into the uk. next week, so looking mild, but not looking as warm it is on wednesday. the world's top climate scientist issue their starkest warning yet. act now to stop, change causing catastrophic damage to the planet. rising global temperatures spell disaster for the world, they say. u nless disaster for the world, they say. unless quick action is taken by governments and individuals. melting arctic sea ice, rising sea levels and more extreme weather, already the result of global warming they say, but it will get much worse. the report sets out some incredibly difficult challenges. we will be asking how realistic it is to try to meet them. we'll also look at what individuals are being urged to do to help. also tonight. the second suspect in a salisbury nerve agent
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