hello, it's wednesday, it's 9am, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. it's time for westminster to "wake up" and legislate to decriminalise abortion in northern ireland. that's what conservative mps have exclusively told this programme. we hearfrom one woman who had to carry her dead baby to term because she couldn't have a termination in northern ireland and was too ill to travel. every minute of the day, every second of the day, you have to live with that knowledge the child that's moving around inside you is a child that's going to die. i had thought that she would still look like a normal baby, but she didn't. her body had started to decompose. i remember, denise said to me, "what does she look like?", i said, "she's beautiful", but i was trying to hold in the tears, because i couldn't see. all i could see was a dark space where her face should have been. one mp told us that this woman's story has convinced her it's time for the uk parliament to step in. i absolutely want us in westminster to wake up to this and take

responsibility for it. real people are suffering, in a way that is absolutely intolerable, in this day and age. new polling indicates two thirds of people in northern ireland agree, and want abortion decriminalised. tell us what to think. we'll bring you the story at 9:15. single mums are eight times more likely to be made homeless, according to new research seen by this programme. and one in 55 single parent familes in england became homeless in the past year. this mum and daughterfound themselves homeless and living in temporary accommodation — they're here to tell us what it was like for them. and we'll ask them about reports that rough sleeper in windsor are being asked to move in advance of friday's royal wedding. and hurricane michael is approaching florida and up to half a million people have been urged to evacuate their homes. this storm is dangerous. if you don't follow warnings from officials, this

storm could kill you. and you cannot take it lightly. we'll be hearing from people whose homes are in the path of the storm. hello... good morning. welcome to the programme. we're live until ”am this morning. wherever you are in the uk, should abortion in northern ireland be decriminalied? and if you do think that, shlsd it be northern ireland politicians who make that decision or westminster politicians? use the hashtag victoria live. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you, and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today... there are growing calls for the uk government to step in and change the abortion laws in northern ireland, where terminating a pregnancy is currently illegal in almost every situation.

three conservative mps have exclusively told this programme that it's time for westminster to intervene and decriminalise abortion, to stop women's human rights from being violated. the nothern ireland assembly is supposed to legislate on health care, but the assembly collapsed almost two years ago — as you know — meaning issues like abortion remain unaddressed. our reporterjean mackenzie met a woman in northern ireland whose life has been changed forever because she couldn't have an abortion there. halfway through her pregnancy, denise and her husband, richard, found out their baby had a genetic disorder and wouldn't survive birth. i can't explain the extent to which it affected me, mentally. i was literally tortured. because the law in northern ireland forbids women from having abortions, unless their health is seriously at risk, denise was forced to continue with her pregnancy. every minute of the day, every second of the day, you have to live with that knowledge the child that's moving around inside you, is a child who's going to die.

and at 35 weeks, it did die. it's very hard to bury a child that you just given birth to. we were forced to go through that experience. that's something that changes your life for ever. a new poll, seen by the bbc, suggests most people here want abortion laws to be relaxed. but because health care is devolved, this would fall to the northern ireland assembly. it's now been over a year and a half since the government here collapsed and so people are calling on politicians in westminster to step in. write a letter to, "dear, penny mordaunt". sunday afternoon and campaigners in belfast are getting to people to write to the equalities minister, penny mordaunt. this is a way of getting people from northern ireland to be directly heard in westminster. dear penny, i am a relatively new resident in northern ireland. the delay in women's rights here is, frankly, deplorable. the uk government insists this is a matterfor northern ireland to decide. but, earlier this year, a un committee found that the abortion laws here were breaching women's human rights, putting them in horrific situations.

a growing number of mps, including some conservatives, say this makes the uk responsible. i absolutely want us, in westminster, to wake up to this and take responsibility for it. real people are suffering, in a way that is absolutely intolerable, in this day and age. but this is a divided country and many are fiercely opposed to abortion. it's a very important campaign to protect life. where is the push to change the law coming from? let the people of northern ireland, with their politicians, debate this issue. it mustn't be changed by westminster. but, for denise, change is needed now. i have really suffered mental torture. and i've just not been able to get back on track, again. it really affects me, deeply, to know that other women have gone through that and will still go through that. this month, a private bill on decriminalising abortion will be debated in parliament, which now has the backing of both tory and opposition mps.

jean mackenzie, bbc news. do let us know your view this morning, because we will be talking about it much more through the morning. joanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. good morning. the foreign office says that it's aware of reports that a british couple had been killed in flash flooding in mallorca, but had received no official confirmation. local media outlets are reporting that at least four people have died and a further 15 people are missing on the spanish island. the town of sant llorenc was hit by a sudden storm yesterday evening. 80 emergency rescue workers from the spanish military have been sent from mainland spain to help with the relief effort. a state of emergency has been declared across three us states, as category 3 hurricane michael looks set to make landfall later today. florida's governor has draughted in troops and ordered the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of residents. 13 people have already been killed by the storm across central america. our news correspondent lebo diseko has more. battening down the hatches

for what florida's governor is calling a "monster storm". half a million coastal residents have been told to get to higher ground. ferocious winds, around 30 centimetres of rain, and storm surges as high as a single—storey house are expected. this storm is dangerous. and if you don't follow warnings from officials, this storm could kill you. and you cannot take it lightly. you cannot hide. there is no way to hide from a storm surge. it's impossible. so, get prepared and get out if an evacuation is ordered. every family must be prepared now. there are states of emergency in 35 of florida's 67 counties, as well as parts of georgia and alabama, too. there are fears about the impact on areas still recovering from hurricane florence, last month. but despite the warnings,

not everyone is leaving town. i will just hunker down. we have been through so many storms. and the media sometimes gets things a little bit, you know, crazy. and, you know, peoplejump and run, you know, and they should do that. but we've just been through so many, that we're comfortable staying. so, we're going to. and we've got enough food and generator gas. so, we'll be just fine. fuel supplies are already running low, as the region prepares for the coming days. and with michael forecast to be one of the strongest storms in decades, it might be quite some time before things on these shores return to anything like life as people know it. lebo diseko, bbc news. theresa may has appointed england's first ever minister for suicide prevention, as part of a package of measures aimed at reducing the number of people who take their own lives. the prime minister also pledged up to £1.8 million

to safeguard the mental health charity, samaritans. however, mental health charities say her plans don't go far enough. jackie doyle—price, who is already a junior health minister, will take on the additional role. single mums are worst affected by rising homelessness, according to new research by shelter. the housing charity told this programme that single parents are eight times more likely to be made homeless than couples with children. they've also calculated that one in 55 single parent families in england became homeless last year. the children's commissioner for england, anne longfield, says she's "seriously concerned" about a rise in the use of segregation in young offender institutions and secure training centres. a report from the commissioner — seen by bbc news — shows that children in england and wales are also being held in isolation for longer periods, with some being separated from other inmates for three months. the ministry ofjustice says there are strict safeguards on segregation and that it is used only as a "last resort". theresa may will face mps in the commons later, for the first time since the eu

rejected her brexit plan. the prime minister's facing mounting pressure from some conservative mps to abandon her chequers strategy. the former brexit secretary, david davis, has warned of "dire" electoral consequences for the party if she persists with her model for trade with the eu. but, mrs may insists it's the only alternative to leaving without a deal. a vodafone advert where it appears as if martin freeman is breaking up with his girlfriend, but he's actually getting out of his phone contract, has been banned. the advertising standards agency says it's because the advert makes it look like you can cancel at any time, when actually you have to terminate the contract within the first 30 days. vodafone said it would make sure its 30—day rule was clear in its future marketing. a study suggests that young people are drinking less alcohol than generations before. researchers looked at official health data from the last decade and found almost a third of 16 to 2a—year—olds in 2015 said they didn't drink. that compares with around one in five in 2005.

non—drinking was found across a broad range of groups, suggesting it was becoming "more mainstream". egyptair‘s in—flight magazine has apologised over an interview with actress drew barrymore that was slated on social media after being published. the article about the star went viral after being posted online, with many questioning whether the interview was real. barrymore's representatives said she "did not participate" in the interview, which was notable for a number of grammatical and spelling errors. ahram advertising agency, which publishes the magazine, said the confusion was due to translation issues, and apologised for any misunderstanding. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9:30. thank you very much for your m essa 9 es thank you very much for your messages already about whether or not the westminster government should step in, as some conservative

mps are calling for, to decriminalise abortion in northern ireland. 0ne message says, the feta sizing of the dead foetus has to stop. a woman is more than an incubator, says one viewer. and twitter, another says as northern ireland politicians seem capable of acting as adults and settling their differences, westminster must assume the full control stormont is unable to do. another says, you show one extreme example. what about the 80% of cosmetic abortions in england? in other words, an unwanted human who has no rights. the decriminalisation is abortion in northern ireland is not health care matter but a criminal matter, that is not the devolved issue. the government's refusal to act is a convenient excuse refusal to act is a convenient excuse to avoid upsetting the dup. do get in touch with us throughout the morning — use the hashtage victoria live

and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport and john watson is at the bbc sport centre for us this morning. morning, john, we're going to start with cricket and england get their one day series against sri lanka under way in the next hour? they do indeed. the number one ranked side in one—day cricket and they are out to underline that reputation as the favourites to win the world cup. their series begins today. it is one of only three they have left to play before the tournament starts in may next year. england were beaten in the last 50—over tour they played there butjoss butler expects it to be a different result this time. we like being favourites, that means you've been doing something right, so to have worked our way to the top of the ranking, i think the guys enjoy that pressure of being the number one side and people wanting to obviously beat us and, obviously going away playing international cricket is a tough challenge, coming here, but the favourite tag is not something that worries the side. probably noticeable when you

consider where they are in the rankings. it gets under way at 10am. football and a draw for england women against australia? england women's manager phil neville was very outspoken about the standard of refereeing and the impact it could have on the women's game after his side's draw with australia in a friendly last night. they drew 1—1 in london, opening the scoring through fran kirby, but as well as having a goal disallowed, england were denied two penalties. there will be no var technology at the women's world cup next year and neville is concerned that poor officiating will count against his team and damage the appeal of the game. it is easy saying you can't criticise people within the women's game because it is the women's game, no, if the standards are not right, ijust criticised the players for not being ruthless enough and they have accepted it. i think for the women's game to get better, we need to have conversations like this and be brave enough

to come out and say that this needs to improve. he feels they should have won it out right with the chances they had that is frustrated and feels the standard of refereeing needs to be looked at. and to some tennis, and a productive morning in china so far for the british contingent? edmund is through to the last 16 of the shanghai masters beating andreas seppi as his good run continues. he made the semi finals of the china open last week. it was a straight sets win over the italian. edmund who is the world number 1a, is looking for his first atp tour title. he closed out the match with his trademark forehand and will play nicolas jarry of chile next, who managed to knock out fifth seed marin cilic. she and in the doubles jamie murray and his partner bruno soa res are through after beating argentina's diego schwartzmann and maximo gonzalez in straight sets. well done to them. that's all the sport for now. i'll be back at around 9:30am. good morning, hello and welcome to

oui’ programme. for women in northern ireland it's nearly impossible to terminate a pregnancy. abortion is illegal in virtually every situation they're some of the strictest abortion laws in the western world — but pressure is now mounting on the uk government to change them. three conservative mps have told this programme that it's time for westminster to step in and decriminalise abortion, to stop women's human rights from being violated. new polling, seen by this programme, also shows that two thirds of people in northern ireland want the uk parliament to intervene and allow access to abortions. the nothern ireland assembly is supposed to legislate on health care, but the assembly collapsed, almost two years ago. jean mackenzie has this report from northern ireland. just to say, you may find some of what's being talked about quite graphic and disturbing. belfast. a modern city. but some old—fashioned campaigning. a fight to change a law that's been

in place for more than 150 years. the message is very clear: there's no will for a change in the law here. when it comes to abortion, northern ireland has been left behind. soon to be the only place in the british isles where it's illegal in almost every circumstance. disregarded, devalued, completely voiceless. it really makes us feel like we've been totally rejected as citizens. every minute of the day, every second of the day, you have to live with that knowledge the child that's moving around inside you is a child who's going to die. the big question: we don't have a devolved government anymore. it's respecting democracy. is it time for politicians in westminster to step in? so, we're about half an hour outside belfast and we're on our way to meet a woman whose life has been changed forever, really because she couldn't

have an abortion here. and i know that some of what she's going to tell me is going to be quite difficult to hear. and it's going to be a real challenge for her to share it. denise was halfway through her pregnancy, when she and her husband, richard, found out their baby had a genetic disorder called edwards syndrome, which meant she wouldn't survive. not only would she be disabled in every organ, in every sense, in her body, but every cell would be wrong. if she did survive for a couple of hours or a couple of days, her suffering would be immense. so, at that stage, we had decided, you know, the best thing to do, the kindest thing to do, would be to have a termination. to do this, denise would have to travel to england, but she became seriously ill and bedridden, unable

to make the journey. i can't explain the extent to which it affected me, mentally. i was literally tortured. you obviously then had to continue with your pregnancy, not knowing when you were going to lose your baby. that threw us both into a complete, traumatic, downward spiral. people would be constantly congratulating me, because i was so big and asking you know, "when's the baby due?" everyone wanted to share in the good news, but we knew that we weren't preparing just for a birth, we were preparing for a death. this agony was to continue for months. every minute of the day, every second of the day, you have to live with that knowledge the child that's moving around inside you is a child who's going to die. the current law here means it's illegal for a woman to have an abortion, unless her life or health is seriously at risk. to break that law can mean life in prison. and because health care is devolved, any changes

in theory need to be made by the northern ireland assembly, which broke down last year, after a row between the ruling parties. so, it's now been over a year and a half since the government here collapsed. 0r really since any decisions were made here. in this time, the conversation around abortion rights here has moved on. particularly after the referendum in the south of the country. and so, people are calling on the politicians in westminster to step in. this is a way of getting people of northern ireland to be directly heard, in westminster. sunday afternoon in the centre of belfast and an abortion rights group is campaigning. their aim is to get the uk government to repeal the piece of law, which makes abortion illegal, here. so, we have decided to do a letter—writing campaign to penny mordaunt, she's the ministerfor women and equalities. so we need to make sure she hears

from northern irish people that we want a change to the law. "dear, penny, iam a relatively new resident in northern ireland. and while belfast is an amazing city to live, the delay in women's rights here is, frankly, deplorable". yesterday, at one point, we were so busy that people were leaning on each other's backs, because there was no space on the table. that would not have happened, four years ago. so, what sort of things have people been writing? "it's completely wrong that people are forced to travel". last year, the uk government decided that women in northern ireland could have free abortions on the nhs, if they made the journey to england. would english women be happy to travel to northern ireland for health care? i don't think so. we had a phone call from someone who was so desperate because they couldn't travel. they had no travel documents. their abusive ex—partner had destroyed all of their identification, so how are they supposed to get across? you can't get childcare to travel, if you're a lone parent. it can make it really difficult.

and the option left to these people is to break the law. but this is a divisive issue in northern ireland and the anti—abortion lobby have their own campaign under way. is this 134? hi. bernadette? hi, i'mjean. how are you? good to see you. it's nice to meet you. just some of the delivery for today. these have just arrived, this morning. it's our new campaign, lobby for life. it's a postcard campaign. this time, it's a plea to the northern ireland secretary, karen bradley. and basically what we're saying is that westminster mustn't override the democratic process. abortion is a devolved issue. from this weekend, we'll be starting to post them out. we'll be starting to collect petitions on the streets and outside churches. hello, how are you?

campaigning away here. if you can fill that in and send it off to the secretary of state. there we go. we're just giving these cards out. i really appreciate the work you're doing. thanks very much. the message is very clear: there's no will for a change in the law here. and... but we are at a church today. do you think that's reflective of northern ireland in general? it is one part of the population. yeah. but that's because that's where we are today. 0ur campaigns are reflective of the majority of people here. this summer, amnesty international polled people living here and found that two thirds want abortion to be decriminalised. two thirds also said they'd like westminster to step in and change the law. we've seen some recent polling data which suggests that, actually, the majority of people here want abortion reform of some kind. and that, actually, the majority would like to see westminster intervene at this moment. well, we have a democratic process here. it's called devolution.

and there are many laws that are devolved to the northern ireland assembly. are we going to make polls, are we going to make decisions for all those other laws? if you take that specific poll, it's based on 1,000 people. 1,000 people is not representative of 1.8 million people. earlier this year, a un committee found that abortion laws in northern ireland were breaching women's human rights, putting them in horrific situations that, in some cases, amounted to torture. because human rights are not devolved, those advocating for change say this makes the uk government responsible. for denise, who was carrying her dying child, the full horror was still to come. we were told it was likely that she would die before birth and at 35 weeks and three days, she did die. it would be another five days until she gave birth.

i had thought that she would still look like a normal baby, but she didn't. her body had started to decompose. i remember denise said to me, you know, "what does she looks like?" i said, "she's beautiful, but i was trying to hold in the tears, because i couldn't see. all i could see was a dark space, where her face should have been. and when everybody left the room, it wasjust me, denise, a dead baby, and silence, until the morning, really. that is an experience that i'll never forget. it's very hard to bury a child that you've just given birth to. we were forced to go through that experience. that's something that changes your life, forever. we're still dealing with the trauma of that, mentally. if i'd been allowed to have a termination early on, we could have then tried for more children, but we are not in a position, mentally, to deal with doing that, because we feel like we've nothing left to give.

the government doesn't acknowledge that the current laws breach women's human rights. it insists this is a matter for northern ireland to sort out, not westminster. but a growing number of politicians disagree — including some in theresa may's own party. i absolutely want us in westminster to wake up to this and take responsibility for it. real people are suffering in a way that is absolutely intolerable, in this day and age. the government has always insisted this is a devolved matter. this is one for northern ireland to sold out. why don't you agree with that? there are two problems with that argument. 0ne, there is no assembly and there's no likelihood of an assembly. secondly, actually, this is about the rights, the human rights, of citizens in the united kingdom. i would be very surprised if the people of northern ireland don't actually want to have exactly these sorts of changes made

to the abortion laws. but i want to know if that is how people here feel. so i've come to fresher‘s week in the hope that it will give me a better insight into what young women in northern ireland want. so, how do you feel about the laws, as they stand? kind of old—fashioned. i don't know how to explain it. i think they're outdated and it's stupid, for want of a better word. i think if they were to legalise it, it would just be misused. and everyone would just start using it as a contraception. how do you feel about this idea that politicians in westminster may decide to make changes for you? it's only fair if we have a say. it's not fair for them to make the decisions for us. if there were to be, like, a referendum or something, say, like, probably majority would vote pro—abortion. so you'd like to see a referendum?

like in the south? yeah. i think that's a better representation of what people think than what it would be if politicians were to come in. would you fill that in and send it off? would you support a referendum on the issue, then? i wouldn't support any decision by people to decide on whether someone has the right to life. that is not our right to do. this month, a private bill on decriminalising abortion will be debated in parliament, which now has the backing of both tory and opposition mps. how many, today? 27, which is a really good turnout for a sunday. it's literally a ticking time bomb. are we going to wait for the first woman to die, before we do anything? it's completely out of order. it just threw my whole world in turmoil.

and i have suffered. i've really suffered mental torture. and i've just not been able to get back on track again. we spend every day grieving for her. it's always in our minds. to a certain extent, i accepted that our baby was going to die. but i could never, ever accept that it's ok to force a woman to carry a dying foetus until it's born as a dead baby. this shouldn't be happening to anybody. it really affects me, deeply, to know that other women have gone through that and will still go through that and nothing is still being done. thank you for your many messages. graham says northern ireland should

be given the chance to adjust them abortion law but if not satisfactory, westminster should make the decision and make it with urgency. it is just not acceptable or moralfor these people urgency. it is just not acceptable or moral for these people to carry dead babies. it is torture. it is barbaric. gm says, the fact is many women from northern ireland have abortions but in other countries. the dup is happy to export abortion. carmen says, since when has a son or daughter who is being treated like things to be killed? there are a million ways to avoid being pregnant. it is not foetus, it's a human being. nadiya says i move to liverpool and i was 1a, i nadiya says i move to liverpool and iwas1li, i moved nadiya says i move to liverpool and i was 1a, i moved away from belfast because i had become sexually active but was so petrified of what would happen should i become pregnant. i still live in england. i spent many yea rs still live in england. i spent many years arguing with the backward moves and just upped and moved at the end. i live in manchester. it

makes me sad but it is the truth. it isa human makes me sad but it is the truth. it is a human rights abuse and our women deserve the same rights as women deserve the same rights as women in the rest of the uk. where ever you are in the uk would you support what some conservatives are calling for, the decriminalisation of abortion in northern ireland ? decriminalisation of abortion in northern ireland? if so, should it be westminster politicians that make that decision should be down to northern ireland politicians? let me know. still to come... this programme has been told that single mums are eight times more likely to be made homeless. we'll speak to two mums who found themselves homeless about the reality of living in temporary accommodation and also ask them about reports that rough sleepers are being asked to move on, ahead of princess eugenie's royal wedding in windsor on friday. and, seniorjudges will rule on whether the christian owners of a bakery in northern ireland discriminated against a customer by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "support gay marriage". we'll be live at the supreme court

for that decision. that is the highest court in the land so it really will be it today. that case has been going on court yea rs. that case has been going on court years. the case has cost £350,000. time for the latest news with joanna. the deputy mayor of the mallorcan town hit by flash flooding has confirmed that two of the people killed are british. at least five people are believed to have died and a further 15 people are missing on the spanish island. the town of sant llorenc was hit by a sudden storm yesterday evening. 80 emergency rescue workers from the military have been sent from mainland spain to help with the relief effort. florida, alabama and georgia have all declared a state of emergency as a category 3 hurricane looks set to make landfall later today.

florida's governor has draughted in troops and ordered the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of residents, warning the storm could claim lives. at least 13 people have already been killed by hurricane michael across central america this weekend. three conservative mps are calling on theresa's may's government to "wake up" and decriminialise abortion in northern ireland. currently abortion is illegal in northern ireland unless there is a serious risk to a woman's life or health. anna soubry, nicky morgan and heidi allen told the bbc that westminster must step in to protect women's human rights. it comes as a new poll suggests two—thirds of northern ireland citizens feel that westminster should now legislate for abortion reform. the uk government said it was for northern ireland politicians to decide. theresa may has appointed england's first ever minister for suicide prevention, as part of a package of measures aimed at reducing the number of people who take their own lives. the prime minister also pledged up to £1.8 million to safeguard

the mental health charity, samaritans. however, mental health charities say her plans don't go far enough. jackie doyle—price, who is already a junior health minister, will take on the additional role. single mums are worst affected by rising homelessness, according to new research by shelter. the housing charity told this programme that single parents are eight times more likely to be made homeless than couples with children. they've also calculated that one in 55 single parent families in england became homeless last year. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you very much, john. here's some sport now withjohn. hello again. england's one day team are out to prove why they are favourites to win the world cup on home soil next summer. they're taking on sri lanka in dambulla this morning, in the first match of their odi series. england manager phil neville criticised the standard of refereeing in the women's game.

his side were denied two penalties and had a goal disallowed in their 1—1 friendly draw with australia in london last night. he said it was a big worry that an international referee could get those decisions wrong. kyle edmund is through to the last 16 of the shanghai masters, as he looks to win a first atp masters title. he beat andreas seppi in straight sets as his good form continues, having reached the semi finals of the china open last week. and in the doubles, jamie murray and his partner bruno soares are through, after beating argentina's diego schwartzmann and maximo gonzalez in straight sets. that's all the sport for now. i will have more at 10am. thank you. the second royal wedding of the year takes place on friday. same venue, different people — princess eugenie and a herfiance jack brooksbank are getting married in windsor. there are reports today that rough sleepers in the area have been told by council wardens to move from the streets of windsor in time for the big day. 0ur reporter chi chi izundu is here. what have the council said? actually, the council haven't issued

an official statement about chatting to them they say they have no power to them they say they have no power to move people on. what they have been doing is asking the homeless in the area if they want support and help and that actual big day, because they do that with any large event that is happening. they say this story on the front of the mirror is untrue and have left it with their lawyers. 0k. mirror is untrue and have left it with their lawyers. ok. so what happens now? what happens now is it is preparation time for princess eugenie and her big day. she is a p pa re ntly eugenie and her big day. she is apparently already at windsor are doing the final things that any bride—to—be would be doing. but there is anger, anger by a group called republic. they are unhappy and don't see the monarchy as, to quote them on their website, fit for purpose. they have put together a petition which has already gathered 40,000 signatures, basically asking for the government to intervene and

public money being spent on this wedding, because they are quoting a yougov poll poll that said 66% of the british public are not interested in this particular royal wedding. and it will cost over £2 million. the windsor council were accused of doing something similar, in terms of rough sleepers and asking them to move on before harry and meghan ‘s wedding. asking them to move on before harry and meghan 's wedding. they were. the bbc spoke to a number of rough sleepers who were told they had been told to move on and had forcibly been removed from the streets around windsor castle. the council then categorically stated that wasn't they were being offered shelter elsewhere and also help and support to move away from the crowds that we re to move away from the crowds that were going to be surrounding that area for their own safety. that they we re area for their own safety. that they were not forcibly being removed. graham on facebook says moving of homeless for another wedding is totally wrong and against their human rights. it wouldn't surprise me at some of them are homeless of

the financial crash by wealthy and greedy banks. the millions spent for these weddings could have been used to house these homeless, rather than bringing in extra officials. and on facebook says the story about the royal wedding is shocking. is this modern britain? absolutely shocking, i really can't believe it. thank you. we are going to bring you another story about homelessness today. and that's that single mums are worst affected by rising homelessness, according to new housing research. the charity shelter have told this programme that single parents — almost all women — are eight times more likely to be made homeless than couples with children. they've also calculated that one in 55 single parent families in england became homeless last year. let's talk now to two mums living in temporary accommodation. tayla turton was made homeless when she became pregnant with kodi and had to leave her mum's house where she was sharing a room with her brother.

karen mel and her two children were made homeless when the landlord of the house she'd lived in for 13 years decided to sell—up and her daughter kayla is here too. and also with us is polly neate, who is the head of shelter. thank you all for coming on the programme. karen, you were made homeless in november 2016, after 13 yea rs homeless in november 2016, after 13 years the landlord suddenly decided he wanted to sell up. what happened next? 0h had two months notice to get out. you take it to the council and they inform you not to go at the end of the two months, you must remain there, which we did, because if we had have gone, we would have made ourselves intentionally homeless. so they told you to stay and not move out. then the landlord goes to court, to get a court order,

where magistrates will give you a date to get out. you get given that, you take that back to the council, and then they still tell you again, state, don't move. 0k, and then they still tell you again, state, don't move. ok, you stay and then the landlord now goes and goes and gets the bailiffs and then you sit there until the bailiffs are knocking on your door and throwing you out. if you do it any other way, the council won't help you. extraordinary. but whilst you're going through all of this, you end up going through all of this, you end up with the bailiffs spill and the court bill. how do you think you have been treated by council officials? lin it wasn't very nice, really. it feels like you are second rate, they don't truly want to help you. you are just there, like a nuisance. they will just you. you are just there, like a nuisance. they willjust put you somewhere and then forget about you. you are in temporary accommodation, which means you are regarded as being homeless. what is the temporary accommodation right? we

we re temporary accommodation right? we were lucky, we moved three times in one week, three different places in one week, three different places in one week. the first place they put us was one week. the first place they put us was just one bedroom. they told me your daughter or son can sleep with you on the double bed. i said, well, no. so they moved us to a two bedroom temporary accommodation, which meant my son and daughter cherubim. it's better than it was but there is the fear i can get a call tomorrow and have to move against upright let me bring in tayla. thank you for coming on the programme. you had to move out of your mum's when you became pregnant with kodi. what is it like being in temporary accommodation as a single mother with a young daughter? temporary accommodation as a single mother with a young daughter7m temporary accommodation as a single mother with a young daughter? it is hard. whenl mother with a young daughter? it is hard. when i left my mum's, i was placed in four different places. i am on my fourth one now but i have beenin am on my fourth one now but i have been in this story year and a half.

i have had to, and trying to do what i feel is best, get a career, i started university a few weeks ago, but it is the balance of trying to continue life when you know you are sharing a bathroom and kitchen with 12 other strangers. mummy, mummy. she's watching you on telly. it's hard, not nice at all. polly, why is it predominantly single mothers who are suffering from homelessness?” think we have to pay tribute to single mothers who are parenting in these extraordinary circumstances. it's absolutely incredible the way they do it, in my eyes. single mothers are more likely to be poor than other families. they have difficulties getting well— paid jobs and are more likely to be in low paid work and part—time work, because of childcare issues. so it is really be issues that affect all

families and make homelessness is quite likely, much more likely than has been that also affect single mother is much more. the main issues are really that we are not building enough social housing. it always comes back to that. it does, i'm afraid. the conservative prime minister lifted the cap on councils being able to borrow to invest in building council houses. that is something but it will take a long time? it would take a long time and also, it isn't enough. the cost of land is such it will tempt a lot of councils to build luxury homes, instead of council homes, instead of social housing, because they will be able to make the money back to cover the cost of the land. that is another issue. and also benefits. single mothers are much more affected by the fact housing benefit has been capped. in large parts of the country, people's incomes, even when they are working, and let's not forget two thirds of single mums work, but even then, their benefits are not keeping up with the rents

they are being asked to pay. it is a perfect storm, in a weights, and single mums are in the eye of that storm more than anyone else. tayla, how do you think single mums and homeless single mums, and i have to say because i'm not sure everyone realises, when you are in temporary accommodation you are regarded as homeless, how do you think society views you? i think because i am a young single mum, i already get the looks and that stereotype. i don't think anyone views me as deserving, they don't see me as trying. i've completed college, i'm starting uni, i've done all this in temporary accommodation, while sharing a bathroom at 12 strangers. you send us “— bathroom at 12 strangers. you send us —— centres and pictures of the temporary accommodation. that is the kitchen area. which is, you know, small. i don't know if we can move it on more quickly. no, it's going at its own pace, that is the

technology for you... yes... anyway... what you think of where you live? horrible, horrible. why? i will do my very best to buy my cleaning products. like i said, i have to live like this so i will do my bit to clean up. but because i we nt my bit to clean up. but because i went to college, i would go to my mum's on the weekend because i had no wi—fi and couldn't get any work done and is just no wi—fi and couldn't get any work done and isjust one attic room. . look at the damp mould on that window, it is gross. housing department spokesman said no family should be left without a roof over their heads and councils must provide parents with children with accommodation, we must make sure people don't have nowhere to go. on the subject of rough sleeping. rough sleepers, it is reported they are rough sleepers in windsor are being told they are being told to move ahead of the royal wedding on friday. you probably heard our reporter say the council are saying

they are not doing that. illegally we can't do that. a statement the council had given to the daily mirror. we have advice on the royal wedding is taking place on friday due to their probability, they may wa nt to due to their probability, they may want to move locations within the town centre, where they may not be impacted by the anticipated high footfall. what you think of that? hopefully they are reaching out to homeless in that area every day not just when a royal wedding is about to happen. these are a vulnerable group of people. hopefully the council is doing everything they can to provide them with an alternative to provide them with an alternative to sleeping on the street. what do you think account? instead of the royal wedding costing so much, that should help the homeless, notjust ship them because there's a royal wedding. we have the royal family, but what does she do? princess eugenie? what do you think she does? nothing. she doesn't carry out royal duties? why should the taxpayer pay

for that when her mystical could benefit from that money. thank you very much for coming on in the programme. i wish you all the best. coming up... the children's commissioner says the time children spend segregated in young offender's institutions in england and wales has doubled in the last four years. we speak to a mum who's son has repeatedly been placed in solitary confinement. theresa may is set to face mps today at prime minister's questions for the first time since the eu rejected her plan for brexit. she's under growing pressure from some of her own mps to change course. let's get the latest from our political guru, norman smith. just remind our audience where we are up to, after the party conference this season. we had a better than expected party conference for mrs may. now she's come back to parliament and bluntly it has kicked off. it's like if you think you're coming back from the

summer holidays and you arrive and there's a pile of brown bills, the central heating has gone on the bling, the dog next door is yapping away and you think it is oh! that is what it is like for mrs may because all wings of the party pretty much have rounded on her chequers deal, her proposal. where we would have a common eu rule book to continue trading with the eu. a lot of mps don't like it at all and think it is utterly impractical and would leave us utterly impractical and would leave us half in, half part of the eu. mrs may, however, seems determined do stick with it. she says bluntly there is no alternative, this is the only practical option on the table —— to stick with it. and if it is knocked down, we are entering no deal country. that would mean splitting up from the eu with really no agreements on security, trade, pretty much like walking out of the house in the middle of the night with no suitcase, no credit cards,

nothing. you're on your own. she says that would be the alternative if chequers isn't agreed, she needs to get mps to sign up to her chequers deal, very, very difficult. but she's also got to get the eu to agree to it. they are now wrestling in brussels to come up with a sort of fallback position, if they can't get it all nailed down. 0ne of fallback position, if they can't get it all nailed down. one of the fallbacks they are looking at is staying in a sort of customs union, or customs arrangement, which would mean we would carry on for a while sticking by the eu's rules in terms of the tariffs observe and collect. again, lot of mrs may's party are unhappy with that. the eu equally unhappy. she has got an awful lot on her plate. today, prime minister's questions, it will be so interesting to see the sort of mood and attitude of her towards her. thank you. the average amount of time a child is held in solitary confinement, segregated, in other words,

in young offender's institutions has doubled in the last four years in england and wales, according to a new report. the children's commissioner for england found young people will typically be held separately from other children, alone, for 16 days, which is up from eight days in 2014. in one case this year, a young offender was held on their own for 100 days. previous studies on adult prisoners suggest that segregation can be damaging to their mental and physical health. the children's commissioner will be presenting her findings to a committee of mps this afternoon. it's an issue we reported on this programme earlier this year when we spoke to one mum, sheena, whose son has been repeatedly placed in solitary confinement. this was london carnival, in the augustjust before he was convicted. my son was 14, when he was convicted of murder through a law called joint enterprise.

so, basically, he was there. he didn't commit the murder, but he got a life sentence all the same, with a tariff of 12 years. you're out of there on monday, aren't you? off the block. sheena's son, kyefer, is now 18 and in an adult prison. finger‘s crossed, babe. but, as a child, he was in feltham young offender's institution. last year, the prison was found to have breached human rights of one 16—year—old boy held in solitary confinement. sheena says kyefer had bad experiences there. that's where he was in solitary for months and months on end, i think in excess of eight months. it's hell on earth for these boys. i remember leaving feltham. and one of the boys was holding onto the railings. it's just that scene... it's like something out of a film. you look back and... that's someone's child. solitary confinement for child prisoners is banned in many countries. it's not supposed to happen here. yet, we've been told children in uk

prisons are regularly placed in solitary, alone almost 24 hours a day, held in their cells. the ministry ofjustice told us segregation is a last resort, when prisoners are a risk to themselves, or others. that there's no such thing as solitary confinement for children and that all child prisoners get their entitlement to education, exercise and legal and family visits. we can talk to sheena evelyn now, along with dr alison steele from the royal college of paediatrics and child health, who are campaigning to stop the practice of segregation for children and to giles dilnot from the children's commissioner's office. giles, the child who was put in solitary confinement for 100 days, why? 100 days is quite staggering, isn't it? if your viewers think

about going in today, that child would still be in there when we are tucking into christmas dinner and two weeks still to go. the problem with the hundreds date example, we are worried about the average increase increasing as doubling, as you said earlier, this child requested to go into segregation. we are finding that whilst sometimes children are put into segregation because a disciplinary issues, punishment, if self protection, whatever, this is to do with mental health. they are not coping well in the environment. we don't feel, given what we know about segregation, being locked up for up to 23 and a half hours in a cell that has probably a sink, a bed, a toilet, possibly a radio, that has probably a sink, a bed, a toilet, possiblya radio, possibly that has probably a sink, a bed, a toilet, possibly a radio, possibly a book, but no guarantee, for that amount of time is certainly not going to help their mental health. the problem is the availability of being able to treat those mental health conditions. we are not apologising for what these children

have done, they have done some wrong things, but this isn't helping them, this is just managing things, but this isn't helping them, this isjust managing a things, but this isn't helping them, this is just managing a situation. sheena, your son has experience of this and you have experience of this, what do you think of this research? from england's children's commissioner, that the average amount of time children are spending in segregation has doubled in four years? i've known about this for longer than four years. it's, i've known about this for longer than fouryears. it's, like, when we stopped going to researching this and do something about it? it's good to talk about it but it is still going on. my son is still in solitary confinement as we speak, now. there's no exercise. basically, you get the option of a shower and a phone call, you don't get exercise either. interference sign not forgetting that is because they reached the age of 18, they don't automatically but, an adult, a grown man. young adults, yes, but they are

still children. alison, your reaction to the fact that one young person has been held in solitary confinement four 100 days? i'm horrified. the royal college of paediatrics and child health has been worried about the situation for some time now. we feel there is good evidence about the negative impact on children's health and well—being in the short and long—term. particularly their mental health, risk of suicide and self harm. we feel they doesn't address the problems that brought the child or young person into solitary confinement to start with. we are concerned about their ability to socially integrate once they are released. doesn't become any more understandable if as giles has explained, the young person themselves has requested to be segregated —— does it become.” would be worried that a young person would be worried that a young person would request, because it must be they must feel they are not safe. the issue isn't about the child being removed, it is about making that environment safe for all young people within it. as you know, the

ministry ofjustice says children are only placed in segregation as a last resort. when we did our film earlier this year, they said there is no such thing solitary confinement when it comes to young people and children in young offenders' institutions which was a surprise to a number of people. it is to protect themselves or others. is that not reasonable? if it is a last resort it is worrying it is increasing. we know the population in young offenders institutions is decreasing. if it is a last resort, isa decreasing. if it is a last resort, is a management of the problem. i can completely hear what has been said about why we are just researching this. i would point out, the reason we know these figures is because the children's commissioner has demanded under the powers it has two cv figures. we would like to see these figures published all the time. —— has asked to see these figures. i really concerned. there is potentially huge variation in the numbers in the different institutions and types of institutions. if we are saying the population is incredibly different,

it must be something to do with what is going on in side a particular institution. what impact can solitary confinement, segregation, have on an individual? we know it very much affect their mental health. we know it makes them feel very low, anxious and sometimes more angry. we know there is an increased risk of self harm and potentially suicide. from a physical health point of view, they don't get the exercise they need to get. they are not necessarily getting the stimulation from mixing with other young people from education opportunities and the things young people need to eventually be released from these institutions and lead a healthy and successful life. when the government says it is a last resort, what do you say? there are different ways this can be dealt with. thank you for coming on the programme. thank you very much. news and sport on the way. coming up... should they stay or should they go? strictly come dancing is criticised for allowing seann walsh and his dance partner katya jones

to continue in the competition, even though they were both in relationships when they were pictured kissing each other. let's get the latest weather update. simon is with us and he can give us the latest on that african heading for florida, on that hurricane. the latest on that african heading for florida, on that hurricanem has rapidly intensified in the gulf of mexico. you can see it on the satellite imagery moving its weight gradually north. the eye of the storm is still quite a way out of the panhandle of florida but it will move its way in through the course of today. it is expected to make la ndfall of today. it is expected to make landfall as category four hurricane. that'll be the strongest hurricane in this part of florida ever recorded. as the hurricane moves in, it will give some heavy rain but a significant storm surge as well and gusts of winds in excess of 100 mph. quite dangerous conditions expected

around south and north western parts of florida and southern parts of alabama will . the weather for the . the weatherfor the uk, we are back at summer. lots of sunshine to start the day for lots of us, patchy mist and fog, that was the scene in cumbria. much of that will burn away with the fairly strong sunshine and for all parts, looking at sunshine well into this afternoon. thankfully the rain in western scotland is long gone. a dry day for all of us and a warm day. these temperatures will be way above the average for this time of year, 5—9 above the average. 21 degrees in the central belt of scotland, 23 or 24 celsius in central and southern areas. tonight, we will see some showers moving their way out of france, through the english channel to south—west england, wales, and a few more in southern areas. moving further north and east. not a particularly cold night, those temperatures staying in double figures at about 10—15. thursday, this cold front will move

its way in, pushing some rain into northern ireland, west wales and south—west england. meanwhile, for eastern and northern areas, we might start thursday with some showers that they will drift away and there will be sunshine in central and eastern parts. still quite warm. temperatures getting up to 20, 22. it will be a fresher feel further west when the rain clears from northern ireland. there will be some sunshine that it will be chilly at 16. friday, this big area of low will spin close to the united kingdom. whetherfunds will spin close to the united kingdom. whether funds associated with that pushing their way through on friday. a windy day for all on friday and heavy rain moving its way through. the rain will turn particularly heavy across wales, north—west england into the afternoon. there could be localised flooding. the winds will be gusting 30, 45 flooding. the winds will be gusting 30,45 mph, but up to 70 and 80

miles an hour further north and west through scotland and northern ireland. even around irish sea coasts. ba rely ireland. even around irish sea coasts. barely warm towards the south—east, not too bad. 20 degrees. —— temperatures are warm towards. while we have a taste of summer today, don't. .. while we have a taste of summer today, don't... get out your gazebos, garden furniture, by the end of the week it will be pretty disruptive with wind and rain. goodbye. gazebos? good morning. it's 10 o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. conservative mps have told this programme exclusively that it's time for westminster to "wa ke up" and legislate to decriminalise abortion in northern ireland. one woman who has shared her story with us was forced to carry her dead baby to term because she couldn't have a termination in northern ireland and was too ill to travel. it's very hard to bury a child that you've just given birth to. we were forced to go through that experience. that's something that

changes your life forever, and we are still dealing with the trauma of that, mentally. if i'd been allowed to have a termination early on, we could have then tried for more children, but we're not in a position, mentally, to deal with doing that. we'll talk to a westminnster mp who is trying to bring forward a law to decriminalise abortion in northen ireland in a few minutes. and tell us your view wherever yuo are in the uk. these young peple and children are heading to parliament today to speak to mps about a lack of funding for their schools — they'll be speaking to us about how it's affecting their learning. and it's judgment day in the ‘gay ca ke' discrimination case. any moment now, we'll bring you the final decision from the highest court in the land... in fact, we are being told that decision is coming right now. it is

about a bakery, refusing to bake a ca ke about a bakery, refusing to bake a cake with the words support gay marriage and for a gay couple. just hearing the gay couple have won. so we will bring you the details and reaction. i beg your pardon... apologies for the confusion. the ba kery apologies for the confusion. the bakery has won. we will bring you the story and the reaction in a moment. here'sjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the days news. the supreme court has overturned a judgement by the court of appeal and has ruled that a bakery that refused to make a cake with a slogan supporting same—sex marriage did not discriminate against the customer. the dispute came about after ashers baking company in belfast, turned down an order from gay rights activist gareth lee, which they said was at odds with their beliefs. now the uk's highest court has ruled that daniel and amy mcarthur should not have been obliged to supply a cake iced with a message with which they profoundly disagreed. the deputy mayor of the mallorcan

town hit by flash flooding has confirmed that two of the people killed are british. at least five people are believed to have died and at least a further 12 people are missing on the spanish island. the town of sant llorenc was hit by a sudden storm yesterday evening. 80 emergency rescue workers from the military have been sent from mainland spain to help with the relief effort. florida, alabama and georgia have all declared a state of emergency as a category 3 hurricane looks set to make landfall later today. florida's governor has draughted in troops and ordered the evacuation of hundreds of thousands of residents, warning the storm could claim lives. at least 13 people have already been killed by hurricane michael across central america this weekend. latest figures show the uk economy grew by 0.7% in the three months to august, buoyed by retail, food and drink sales during the hot summer. but the office for national statistics said that in august, gdp growth was flat with zero growth against a predicted rise of 0.1%. three conservative mps are calling

on theresa may's government to "wake up" and decriminialise abortion in northern ireland. currently abortion is illegal in northern ireland, unless there is a serious risk to a woman's life or health. anna soubry, nicky morgan and heidi allen told the bbc that westminster must step in to protect women's human rights. it comes as a new poll suggests two—thirds of northern ireland citizens feel that westminster should now legislate for abortion reform. the uk government said it was for northern ireland politicians to decide. theresa may has appointed england's first ever minister for suicide prevention, as part of a package of measures aimed at reducing the number of people who take their own lives. the prime minister also pledged up to £1.8 million to safeguard the mental health charity, samaritans. however, mental health charities say her plans don't go far enough. jackie doyle—price, who is already a junior health minister, will take on the additional role. single mums are worst affected by rising homelessness, according

to new research by shelter. the housing charity told this programme that single parents are eight times more likely to be made homeless than couples with children. they've also calculated that one in 55 single parent families in england became homeless last year. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10:30. thank you very much. we will be live at the supreme court in just a moment but first, the sport. thank you, good morning once again. now, imagine spending hundreds of pounds, to travel hundreds of miles on a trip to follow your team, knowing full well when you get there, you wont get to see them play. that is the reality for lots of england fans heading to croatia for friday's nations league match, which will be played behind closed doors because of uefa sanctions. one of those is chad thomas from south yorkshire. hejoins us now. chad, why are you going? having spent all this money, knowing

full well you won't see england play? well, the short answer is we already booked to go. the draw was made in january for the nations league and we had the dates and lots of my friends booked it up. a week later, we were told croatia were playing the game behind closed doors. we were all thinking, well, what do we do now? the short answer was, let's still go and enjoy ourselves and if there is a small chance we can get inside the stadium, if there is a small chance, we will try and watch it at the top of the hill, and if not, we will watch at the bar. we won't let not getting in the stadium spoil the trip. let's go, support the team as best we can and hopefully they will win. there are lots of fans not in your position, booking tickets to go knowing they wouldn't see england play. how confident are you you might be up to see some of the action? you say will go on friday morning and try to scope out the

stadium and see if there is a slope ora stadium and see if there is a slope or a hill you might stadium and see if there is a slope ora hill you might be stadium and see if there is a slope or a hill you might be able to watch the game from? that's the plan. let's try and make the best of it. there's a couple of pictures on the website, where on the corner there isa website, where on the corner there is a hill, where you can try and see down. unless they block that on friday, we will try to head up there and just try to enjoy it. in a way, it's actually making the trip more exciting, going into the unknown, it's the first time it's ever happened to england, playing behind closed doors. it's unfortunate. the england flat delete that fans travelling out, we are not to blame, it is croatia's band. as england's fa ns it is croatia's band. as england's fans travelling will try to make the best of it. if we can see it, what a story it can be, saying we went to a behind closed doors game. the fa tried to look into securing a small

number of tickets for those who made travel arrangements, you would fall into that category. how frustrated we re into that category. how frustrated were you when you found you wouldn't be able to get in and watch the match, having spent so much money on it anyway, how much is the trip costing you? well, this is the thing. when you know you are playing and you know the dates, you book straightaway to try and get a cheaper... inaudible 0h, try and get a cheaper... inaudible oh, whata try and get a cheaper... inaudible oh, what a shame! we seem to have lost chad, just as he was going to tell us how much it costs. he was telling us about how much that trip was going to cost him. the match being not being played at the usual venuein being not being played at the usual venue in zagreb. a rematch of the world cup semifinal, of course. and geraint thomas, teh tour de gfrance champion has had his trophy stolen. it was being displayed

at the cycle show in birmingham, when it was left unattended. it along with the the other two grand tour trophies has been lent by team sky to their bike supplier pinarelo to be displayed there when at the end of the event it was stolen. police are now trying to recover it. thomas said he hopes whoever took it will have the good grace to return it. of course, great memories for him following that france success this summer. that is all the sport, back to you. next to the highest court in the in the country, the supreme court, that ruled in the last few moments the owners of the christian bakery didn't discriminate against their customers by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "support gay marriage". this is the ruling which came a few moments ago. the bakers did not refuse to fulfil his order because of his sexual orientation. they would have refused to make such a cake for any customer, irrespective of their sexual orientation. their objection was to the message on the cake and not to the personal characteristics of mr lee

or of anyone else with whom he was associated. the message on the cake would not just be for the benefit of gay people, but also for the benefit of their families and friends and anyone else who recognises the social benefits, which the commitment involved in gay marriage can bring. accordingly, this court holds that there was no discrimination on the ground of sexual orientation of mr lee or anyone else with whom he was associated. emma vardy is at the supreme court now. via reasons clearly laid out there but it is still a surprise because the bakery lost this case initially and their subsequent appeal. that is right. it had been ruled on by a districtjudge on them by the court of appeal. surprise today that the supreme court has overturned the judgments of the lower courts. as you heard there, this amounted to

weather the bakery‘s you heard there, this amounted to weather the ba kery‘s refusal to supply this cake was about discriminating against the customer or simply about their right, their freedom to hold these beliefs. the supreme court ruled they should not have been obliged to supply a cake supplying a message with which they profoundly disagreed. but the court has pointed out that it is not about diminishing the need to protect gay rights, or support people for their views, but this is about distinguishing between discriminating against the customer based on their own political or religious beliefs and about their own freedom of expression. that is what that came down to today. this case has been watched very closely by many gay rights activists several yea rs by many gay rights activists several years ago when it first emerged, this case led to hundreds of people out on the streets in belfast protesting on both sides. this has been a long—running battle. it was around four years ago that the

customer, gareth lee, a gay rights activist, walked in to the bakery in belfast, ashers, and ordered the ca ke belfast, ashers, and ordered the cake and was body owners they would not supply it to him. the decision of the supreme court is to uphold the bakery, saying they did not discriminate against the customer in refusing to supply that cake. was gareth lee in court, the man that ordered the cake and were the bakers in court? yes, they are both inside. it only happened at the last few minutes but we are expecting them to come out and make a statement shortly. it has been a long—running battle for them, on both sides. the ca ke battle for them, on both sides. the cake initially was priced at £36 50 p. do we know what the total legal bill now stands that? that is right, a £36 cake. we are told the legal bill amounts to around £350,000.

this case was backed by the equality commission for writes in northern ireland and also by christian charities on the other side. a long—running battle, legal fees which have totted up over that time. but activists believe this has been an important battle to fight. it is about the extent to which business owners can choose to offer their services to a customer, based on their own political and religious beliefs. this has brought that into sharp focus to date. thank you, emma. we will be back with you as soon as gay emma. we will be back with you as soon as gay rights activist gareth lee comes out of court, as soon as representatives of ashers bakery come out as well. the bakery has won. your reaction, very welcome. back to our top story today. three conservative mps have told this programme that it's time for westminster to step in and decriminalise abortion in northern ireland. abortion is illegal in nothern ireland in nearly every circumstance we're going to to talk

about this more in a moment, but first our reporterjean mackenzie meets a woman in n ireland whose life has been changed forever because she couldn't have an abortion there. we should say, you may we should say, you may find some of what you're about to hear upsetting. denise was halfway through her pregnancy when she and her husband, richard, found out their baby had a genetic disorder called edwards syndrome, which meant she wouldn't survive. not only would she be disabled in every organ, in every sense in her body, but every cell would be wrong. if she did survive for a couple of hours or a couple of days, her suffering would be amounts. so, at that stage we had decided, you know, the best thing to do, the kindest thing to do, would be to have a termination. to do this, denise would have to travel to england, but she became seriously ill and bedridden, unable to make the journey.

i can't explain the extent to which it affected me, mentally. i was literally tortured. you obviously then had to continue with your pregnancy, not knowing when you were going to lose your baby. that threw us both into a complete, traumatic, downward spiral. people would be constantly congratulating me, because i was so big and asking, you know, "when's the baby due?" everyone wanted to share in the good news, but we knew that we weren't preparing just for a birth — we were preparing for a death. this agony was to continue for months. every minute of the day, every second of the day, you have to live with the knowledge the child that's moving around inside you is a child who's going to die. earlier this year, a un committee found that abortion laws in northern ireland were breaching women's human rights, putting them in horrific situations, that, in some cases, amounted to torture. because human rights are not

devolved, those advocating for change say this makes the uk government responsible. for denise, who was carrying her dying child, the full horror was still to come. we were told that it was likely that she would die before birth and at 35 weeks and three days, she did die. it would be another five days until she gave birth. i had thought that she would still look like a normal baby, but she didn't. her body had started to decompose. i remember denise said to me, you know, "what does she look like?" i said, "well, she's beautiful". but i was trying to hold in the tears, because i couldn't see, all i could see was a dark space, where her face should have been. and when everybody left the room, it wasjust me, denise, a dead baby, and silence, until the morning, really. that is an experience that i'll never forget.

it's very hard to bury a child that you've just given birth to. we were forced to go through that experience. that's something that changes your life forever. we're still dealing with the trauma of that, mentally. if i'd been allowed to have a termination early on, we could have then tried for more children, but we're not in a position, mentally, to deal with doing that because we feel like we've nothing left to go. nothing left to give. this summer, amnesty international polled people living here and found that two thirds want abortion to be decriminalized. two thirds also said they'd like westminster to step in and change the law. it just threw my whole world in turmoil. and i have suffered. i've really suffered mental torture. and i've just not been able to get

back on track again. we spend every day grieving for her — it's always in our minds. to a certain extent, i accepted that our baby was going to die, but i can never, ever accept that it's ok to force a woman to carry a dying foetus until it's born as a dead baby. this shouldn't be happening to anybody. it really affects me, deeply, to know that other women have gone through that and will still go through that and nothing is still being done. we can go live now to outside the supreme court for some reaction to the judgement... that the bakers in northern ireland did not discriminate against gay

rights activists when he asked them to make a cake with the words "support gay marriage" and they refused. up to now, we know what law looks like but this appears to bring in forced or coerced speech into it on behalf of the belief of the provider of the service. gareth, of course, has other options and he has been considering those options. for us been considering those options. for us today the biggest feeling of disappointment is probably masked by the fact that we can't characterise this as a fight between christian freedom of expression and the public square freedom of expression and the public square or freedom of expression and the public square or equality law. it has u nfortu nately, square or equality law. it has unfortunately, been characterised as that. thisjudgment unfortunately, been characterised as that. this judgment talk about belief, not christians. it says providers of services are entitled hold a belief and effectively refuse service if someone else who asks for a service has a belief country to

theirs. it seems the judgment today says that so gay. this is not about christians against equality legislation. it is about belief and is more important that we should move this away from what has u nfortu nately move this away from what has unfortunately but, a focus on christians‘ freedom of expression. inaudible will you be pursuing gabovs leavers case? i can answer that very factually. -- gareth lee's case. we we re factually. -- gareth lee's case. we were supporting gareth and we took this to the county court where we won, the second and third occasion we followed on appeal. in terms of the commission, people need to be clear. we don‘t go looking for places. year, thousand 500 people believe they how discriminate it against. 40% are disability related. we ta ke against. 40% are disability related. we take a few arts that are

strategically importance. less than 296 strategically importance. less than 2% of those relate to lgbt. a customer was looking for a service. he happened to be a gay man and this happen to be a company with a christian directorate on it. it could have been something else. it could have been something else. it could have been a political opinion. from the particular circumstances here, extrapolate that to all of us who are walking into shops. the country that i was brought up in, we knew shocks we could knew places where perhaps it wasn‘t kosher for us to be able to have a job. the equality legislation came in. it was ha rd equality legislation came in. it was hard fought and its covert and overt discrimination was not acceptable and people need to know where they stand when they ask for a service. it is my view that this leaves it is less clear than where it was before. gareth will consider his options. we do not go looking for cases. inaudible this particular element of it has cost £90,000. overall, it‘s a quarter of a million, which is less

than 20% of our budget over the last four years. you had spent a quarter of £1 million on this case of public money? yes. the supreme court justices have decided you don‘t have a case? the supreme courtjudges have actually said the case for ashers has been upheld. they appealed the two course in northern ireland. in that sense, yes, ashers have won today. and he will have to pay the costs of the bakery? —— you will have to. that hasn't been determined. is it very likely? i genuinely don‘t know. determined. is it very likely? i genuinely don't know. are you content genuinely don't know. are you co nte nt to genuinely don't know. are you content to keep paying money?” content to keep paying money?” content that if there is a case of strategic importance we should invest in that case but we do it on a step—by—step basis. the first spend for the county court gave us the success necessary in supporting that. it was appealed and we won at the second quarter now the supreme court has been overturned. people would say it was a waste of public money but we don‘t believe it is a waste of public money because the

two lower courts had ruled in gareth‘s favour. the supreme court seems to have overturned that. inaudible gareth... do you want to answer that? hold on a wee second. please come closer to the microphone. the only comment i would make, this was never a campaign. only comment i would make, this was nevera campaign. i had no idea about that, when i ordered the cake. i had no sense of it when the order was placed. this was never a campaign. the first response to the actual complaint was a campaign. against this. that aside, i think northern ireland... i am a second—class citizen. that is unfortunate. but i feel that's the case. we don't have the same rights in northern ireland, as gay people, as we do in the rest of the united

kingdom. inaudible it is what it is. i think we just have to... see what happens afterwards. there's a danger here that we‘re going back to the fact that we‘re going back to the fact that this is something specifically to do with gay rights and the christian tradition. that‘s the specific and particulars of this case. gareth did not know that this company had a religious tradition. this was opened up in court. gareth had no understanding when he walked through the door that this was a christian company, so called. therefore, for him to have somehow picked this as part of a campaign is nonsense. that needs to be stopped. gareth walked in, he asked, as a citizen of northern ireland, to have a service that there was an offer on, a bespoke cake. he was denied that. as the court has ruled today, that. as the court has ruled today, that seems to have been ok, on the ashers bakery. inaudible this has implications for anyone. anyone can go into a shop. we

shouldn't have to work out whether you are going to be served based upon the shop owner's beliefs. you need certainty when you have a business transaction. i'm confused at the moment. we will bring you daniel and amy macarthur who are from ashers bakery when they make their statement on the steps of the supreme court. that continue our conversation about whether westminster politicians should step in to "decriminalise" abortion in northern ireland. let‘s talk now to labour mp diana johnson mp. she‘s launching a bid today to change the law in northern ireland. patrick corrigan from amnesty international, who commissioned the polling which shows two—thirds of people in northern ireland want abortion decriminalised, and marion woods is here too, from the anti—abortion group both lives matter. thank you so much for talking to us.

diana, what are you trying to achieve? firstly, can ijust say that when the bill is going for two decriminalise abortion, that does not mean to deregulate. there will bea not mean to deregulate. there will be a whole plethora of laws, regulation, professional standards that will sit around any abortion services that are provided in northern ireland, in england, in wales. the bill is about taking the criminal law out of this, which is essentially a health care procedure. would that mean abortion would be more accessible in northern ireland? would that be the practical outcome? it would be a matter of northern ireland politicians when stormont is running up again to decide what kind of abortion provision they want to make in northern ireland but it ta kes make in northern ireland but it takes at the criminal law. that is the problem at the moment. over the last three years, we have seen several cases of women being prosecuted in northern ireland for buying tablets over the intranet. there is one particular case of a mother who bought tablets for her 15—year—old daughter who was in an abusive relationship and she was prosecuted based on this 1861

offences against the persons act. marion, would you support the decriminalisation of abortion in northern ireland ? decriminalisation of abortion in northern ireland? no, we wouldn‘t. tell diana johnson why. we start off on the premise that we believe there are at least two lives in existence in every pregnancy. both of those lives matter. we believe that law is there to defend life. we would be very concerned that decriminalisation would actually mean that there would be no protection in law for any unborn baby, whether that baby was wanted or deemed unwanted. we are very concerned as well that in all of these news bulletins, the mps' bill, these news bulletins, the mps' bill, the poll and even the news bulletin you are doing yourself this morning, it is conflating a lot of issues. we need to calm this down and have an important conversation. it is not conflating it is reporting on the fa ct conflating it is reporting on the fact that there are a lot of issues.

i know that you saw the story on the couple whose baby died. and the woman has to carry the dead baby to term, because she was not allowed to have an abortion. she would have broken the law if she had an abortion, you don‘t support that, do you? that was a very traumatic story. it was. firstly, iwant to offer my thoughts and condolences to the lady, believe she was called denise. it was a heartbreaking story and you can't help but feel that heartbreak, absolutely. edwards syndrome is one of these conditions thatis syndrome is one of these conditions that is deemed a life limiting condition. the point is, from the moment of diagnosis, what we watch to see our life affirming pathways of care, so that no couple will ever go through what denise and her partner... what does that mean in practical terms? she wanted to have an abortion but she would have been breaking the law, had she had an abortion but her baby was dead. her

baby wasn't dead at the point of diagnosis, her baby died... so, what would you do? at the point of diagnosis we want to see dedicated pathways of care. a consistent medical team that is there for the couple at that time, for the mother at that time, so they are not having to repeat their medical history. so they are not having to go back over they are not having to go back over the diagnosis again. that is not what she wanted. she didn‘t want to carry the baby to term and give birth to a dead baby. but she didn't know for definite. we don't know for definite that these babies will die before birth. it is true that many do. but what we want to see as options given to promote prenatal pathways of care. we have talked to obstetricians and gynaecologists and 80% of women who feel supported and cared for do want to continue with the pregnancy to meet their baby. there is a psychological benefit to that. the duke university in 2015...

cani that. the duke university in 2015... can ijust that. the duke university in 2015... can i just say that i that. the duke university in 2015... can ijust say that i think that. the duke university in 2015... can i just say that i think the vast majority of people, having seen that package, what denise and her partner went through, i think they would be appalled to think that they could potentially have been criminalised for wanting to do what they thought was best for themselves and for their baby. it's it‘s about recognising that criminalising women who are often in the most dreadful circumstances, is not something that in 2018 the vast majority of the public think it‘s the right way to go. this is a health care matter. it needs to be properly regulated. it needs to have properly regulated. it needs to have proper safeguards in place, four incidents in england and wales, the 24 week time limit would stay, but it would take women out of the whole criminal law. it‘s the right thing to do. it's a health care matter and it is devolved, as you know. it has nothing to do with you as a westminster mp. what actually is the case is that for human rights

issues, there is a responsibility on westminster. the secretary of state for northern ireland can instruct the northern irish departments to say if they are breaching international obligations, which they are, in terms of the european convention on human rights. how do you respond to that?” convention on human rights. how do you respond to that? i would just like to point out that in terms of england, 98% of abortions that happen in gb every year do not happen in gb every year do not happen for these dire circumstances. the point was about, this is a criminal matter, it is to do with women‘s rights and therefore not devolved issue? the point i am trying to make is in terms of rights, what is it we are talking about the right to do? the right to end the life of an unborn baby. in 98% of those cases in england, it's a healthy ba by's 98% of those cases in england, it's a healthy baby's life that is being ended. we don't want to see that in northern ireland. we have statistics that show 100,000 people are alive

today because of our laws... let's bring in amnesty. share your polling data without audience today. amnesty commission polling of people in northern ireland and other parts of the uk. two thirds of people in northern ireland want to see abortion law reform, they want to see decriminalisation and in support of diana johnson's bill, they think it is time for westminster to intervene, to decriminalise the law, to enable women to access abortion without being branded as criminals and brought before the courts. the polling we commission did the rest of the uk shows there is very strong support in england, scotland and wales for their mps to deal with this issue at westminster. they think it is an injustice, 75% plus of people in the rest of the uk think the law should be brought closer in line with the rest of the uk and abortion should be decriminalised, that women should be

able to access abortion and would support westminster intervening to fix the law that is in breach of human rights. mrs may's majority in government relies on the support of the dup who are absolutely against any change in northern ireland abortion laws and says it is down to politicians in northern ireland. totally against any attempt by people like yourself another westminster politicians to intervene. stormont isn't sitting. there is in any assembly in northern ireland at the moment to make any decision. what i would say is abortion has always been a conscience issue in the house of commons. it‘s not been a party political issue. people vote on their own conscience. you‘ve already said, there are number of conservative mps, liberal and labour mps, the green mp and members of plaid cymru who support this. i think this is parliament, doing what it needs to do, in terms of saying there is a breach of women‘s human

rights in northern ireland and we won‘t just stand by at this point and say nothing can be done. the uk government says it is not interested in changing the law there, it‘s up to northern ireland politicians. theresa may doesn‘t have a majority in parliament at the moment. i think we will see what happens when this bill comes in. she does when the dup supporter and that is significant. she has members of her own party not supporting the failure to act. thank you all of you very much for coming on the programme. the private members bill is introduced today. still to come before 11am... florida is braced for what is being called an "extremely dangerous" category 4 hurricane, with winds of up to 130 miles per hour. more than 370,000 people have been ordered to evacuate and move to higher ground. we will bring you the latest. school children and parents from across england are heading to westminster today, to talk to mps about a lack of funding in their schools.

the schools budget in england has increased by 1% since 2010 according to the institute for fiscal studies, but there has effectively been an 8% decrease in spend per pupil in that time period, because more children are on the school roll. parents are increasingly being asked by schools to make contributions towards purchasing basic supplies, like whiteboards and books. some of the children who‘ll be speaking in parliament today are here to tell us what they will be saying. we asked for an education minister to come along too but no one was available. let‘s talk now to 8—year—old harry tart from hitchin, 17—year—old elodie fleet from nottingham, and 12—year—old edie from derbyshire. and also with us is alison ali from the save our schools campaign. welcome to all of you, thank you for coming on the programme. i want you to tell me about why you want to

talk to mps today. what are you going to say? their rugby but being affected all over our country by the cuts that are happening. that might be some really talented children as a debt that they cannot do it because the cuts have made it that those subjects have been cut at gcl level that my gcse level. what subjects? it could be drama, music... what you want to tell mps? i want to let them know the effect it‘s having because there are people that could be the next van gogh but they are not being given the opportunity. you can do art gcse? yes, but in some schools, because not enough people want to do it, it is being cancelled because of cuts. what will you be saying? i'll be talking about mental health. i suffer myself with anxiety, and there wasn't this support, the funding available to help me. i'm

from one of the biggest schools in the country. there was one counsellor. i wasn't able, for years, to get in and that meant i was predicted a stars but i passed that was all. that has now meant i don't feel well enough to continue to do my a—levels and therefore can't go on to university. it is closed so many doors at such a young e, closed so many doors at such a young age, because there was an support for me. if the council had been available at your school, you say your school couldn‘t afford it because money is being spent on other things, what difference do you think it would have made to you? towards the end of my gcse 's i did get a counsellor, because they had won but there were so many pupils that she was so far stretched. when idid get that she was so far stretched. when i did get her, it helped massively, but before then, i was all on my own. harry, hello. my school, it's a very small school, my school's pta

and my parents money and my friends parents money has been propping up our school for ages now. the pta's money used to be used on our music teacher but we cannot afford a music teacher but we cannot afford a music teacher any more, due to the amount that's coming in. even i have music on your primary school? we have a tenor horn teacher. that is the only music teacher we have at all. what sort things say to mps that your mum and mum and dad and other parents are being asked to buy themselves? really, the only thing the school has been sending out if they have been sending out direct letters asking for money, to help get the school the things it needs. like what, do you know? well, last year

and a couple of years before, they use to use the money for pantomime visits and that kind of thing. but this year they had to buy equipment for the acorn making class and they had to fix the roof because it had a hole in it. really? alison, from save our schools campaign, thank you for bringing these young people on the programme. you will know the schools budget has increased 1% since the conservatives came in, between 2010 and now. in real terms, according to the research by the fsf says, sorry, iss. what do you say? you have to finish the sentence, the overall amount has increased by the amount of pupils coming through the system is up by 66,000 since last year alone and there are already 10,000 fewer teaching staff. so,

basically, we can all play fast and loose with statistics. to us, it feels totally disrespectful to pa rents, feels totally disrespectful to parents, teachers, to parliament, to the press, most of all to our children. these amazing children that we see before us today. we have heard three examples from our young people here, the kind of things they say have been happening in their schools. what other examples will mps hear about today? they will be hearing about the lost of t85 and support staff. teaching assistants. yes, teaching assistants, two thirds disappeared in a school in brighton thatis disappeared in a school in brighton that is in a very deprived area. that will have an impact on every single child and every single teacher. that is a scene that is played out throughout the country. also, a pupil talking about the very dilapidated buildings, leaking roofs. this is a few weeks before the budget, before the chancellor‘s

budget, a message to him to say, please can we have some more money? that‘s right. we feel we are getting deafening silence from the treasury. we feel we are getting a barrage of misleading use of statistics from the dfe. we recognise there is more pressure on schools to do more which is why we have taken a number of steps to get in the best value for the pound. government backed deals are helping schools save money on things like utility bills and other non—staff spend. you are not the chancellor, but you know he has competing department saying we need some more money for trains, we need more money for the nhs, for schools. are you a special case because its education? i would replay, with respect, to the chancellor, the words of his former education secretaryjustine greening. it‘s time to start seeing

the education of these amazing young people in our country as an investment, not a cost. thank you all for coming in to see us before you go to speak to mp5. thank you for joining you go to speak to mp5. thank you forjoining us. the breaking news this morning, the highest court in the uk has ruled that christian owners of a bakery didn‘t discriminate against customer by refusing to make a cake decorated with the words "support gay marriage". outside the supreme court gareth lee, the gay rights activist who brought the case, said he was concerned about the implications of today‘s ruling. to me, this was never about conscience or a statement. all i wa nted conscience or a statement. all i wanted was to order a cake in a shop that sold cakes to order. i paid my money, my money was taken and then a few days later it was refused, based

upon the beliefs of the business owners. that made me feel like cake second—class citizen and the judgment today tells me that that‘s 0k. judgment today tells me that that‘s ok. i'm judgment today tells me that that‘s ok. i‘m concerned notjust for the implications for myself or other gay people but for every single one of us, because do we have two guests when we go into a shop whether we are going to be served or not? thank you. daniel mcarthur owns the ashers bakery gave his reaction a short time ago. i want to start by thanking god. he has been with us during the challenges of the last four years and through the bible and the support of christians, he has comforted us and sustained us. he is our rock and all his ways are just. we are delighted and relieved at today's ruling. we always knew we hadn't done anything wrong in turning down this order. after more

than four years, the supreme court has now recognised that and we are very grateful. grateful to the judges, and especially grateful to god. we are particularly pleased the supreme court emphatically accepted what we have said all along, we did not turn down this order because of the person who made it but because of the message itself. the judges gave a clear signal today, in fact, it couldn't be clearer. family businesses like ours are free to focus on giving all their customers the best service they can, without being forced to promote other people's campaigns. i know a lot of people's campaigns. i know a lot of people will be very glad of this ruling today, because this ruling protects freedom of speech and freedom of conscience for everyone. on behalf of my family, can i say thank you to everyone who has helped us and supported us and prayed for us and supported us and prayed for us through all this. i do want also to thank the whole legal team for

all the work they have put in over the last four years and also to thank the christian institute staff for their help and support, especially simon calvert, sam webster and callum woods starts. we wa nt webster and callum woods starts. we want to move on from this now and i'm sure mrgareth want to move on from this now and i'm sure mr gareth lee does as well. let me finish by saying, he will always be welcome in any of our shops. thank you. that was daniel macarthur and his wife amy alongside him, is of ashers bakery. many of you have been emailing in. esther on email: "surely the £350,000 wasted on words on a cake would have been better spent by both sides sorting the distressing state of abortion law in northern ireland". linking our two top stories. hedgehog on email: "the court is dead right to rule in favour of the christian bakery, if it had been me i would‘ve also refused to make such a cake as such a thing is totally against god. this is a victory for christianity and for common sense. i also would never promote anything

like halloween or anything remotely occult based if i had a shop. and i hope the gay couple now have to pay the legal bill, it will serve them right for stirring up anti—christian hatred!" sue on email: "gps are entitled to refuse to offer abortion advice to people as a result of the gp‘s personal beliefs. why then should a baker not be able to refuse work that contradicts their beliefs?" honor on email: "i‘m a lesbian woman who has campaigned on both lgbt rights and women‘s right‘s and equalities. i support the supreme court‘s decision on the gay cake issue as it was in effect forcing someone who didn‘t agree to write a political slogan they disagreed with. it was an unnecessary? and gratuitous action by a gay rights activist. on the other hand what sort of law or humanity allows a woman to carry a dead child to term??

we need to get abtion on the statute books like yesterday!" still to come... following that kiss between seann walsh and his dancer partner, katya jones, strictly come dancing is under fire for allowing the couple to continue in the competition. windows boarded up, bin bags filled with sand, and more than 370,000 people ordered to evacuate. just hours before it makes landfall, hurricane michael has been upgraded to a catagory four storm, putting it in an "extremely dangerous" catagory — with winds near 125 miles per hour and up to a foot of rainfall in some places. the hurricane is quickly bearing down on the "panhandle" of florida, where the state intersects with alabama and georgia — with all three states in a state of emergency. and central america, the storm has already ravaged parts of the carribean and central america, where it left 13 dead.

as the hurricane edges closer to the us mainland, those living in north west florida, where it will make landfall have had to make the choice between leaving to safety or riding the storm out. cbs news‘s reporter nikole killion has been in panama city beach overnight. we are just starting to feel some of the outer band of hurricane michael, which forecasters warn could be one of the worst storms in the panhandle‘s history. right now, the national hurricane centre says this is a category four storm packing winds of 130 mph. storm surge could reach up to 13 feet. we are expecting a foot of rain. at this point, the conditions are fairly mild. we‘re only getting some light and moderate rain, at this time, but we are certainly expecting the conditions to deteriorate, over the next couple of hours. now, here in panama city beach, which is in the bull‘s—eye of the storm, we are currently sandwiched in between the beach and the bay, which is part of evacuation zone. just this morning, florida‘s governor scott, warned residents this is their last

chance to get out. otherwise, they‘ll have to shelter in place. in panama city beach, nicole killion, cbs news for bbc news. strictly come dancing has been criticised, by some people, for allowing seann walsh and his dance partner katya jones to continue in the competition. there was speculation the pair may quit, after they were photographed kissing, despite both being in relationships with other people. the comedian has also been accused of gaslighting his now ex—girlfriend, which is a form of manipulation where victims are made to doubt themselves or their sanity. in a statement on twitter, actor rebecca humphries claimed when she asked if anything inappropriate was going on, he called her a "psycho" and "mental". rebecca also revealed the kiss took place on her birthday and she was home alone when he texted saying he was going for an "innocent drink". seann walsh and katya jones, who is married to another strictly

dancer neiljones, have both apologised for making what they called a one—off drunken mistake. so, is it the right decision for the couple to continue? let‘s talk to daisy buchanan — a journalist for the online platform the pool, who has written about being gaslighted by an ex—boyfriend. dating expert nadia essex, who has also been a love coach on the reality programme celebs go dating on e4. and dance psychologist, dr peter lovatt, who leads the dance psychology lab at the university of hertfordshire. thank you for coming on the programme. how would you explain gaslighting because of your experience? it's a form of coercive control. being made to doubt yourself and your perception of reality. there is a very famous film called gaslight and a very literary response to that. it‘s about a woman whose husband is adjusting the gas and tells her that he‘s not doing

it. -- and tells her that he‘s not doing it. —— gas lights. it can be quite a simple and at first it is subtle enough to make you think, "it must be me". it‘s not immediate but if they really important thing to talk about in terms of the wider narrative of abuse. when we talk about abuse within relationships, partner abuse, we think of something very serious and dramatic. but the beginning is when your partner makes you feel weak and insecure and it can be not necessarilyjust in the case of cheating. at any time you criticise that partner for mistreating you. if they say, no, you‘re imagining things, you‘re crazy, you‘re the one with the problem, that is a big red flag. you wrote a piece about your own experience in the light of rebecca humphries‘ statement. what has been the reaction? i have heard from so many women, especially. this absolutely happens to men, to everyone. women talking about sharing it with their friends and

sisters and mothers. everyone knows someone sisters and mothers. everyone knows someone who has been in that kind of relationship and has been really miserable when they have told their partner, or asked their partner nicely to change their behaviour and have said your behaviour is hurting me and it has been pushed back on them saying they are the one with problems. women and girls are sexualised. we are born to be people pleasers, we are made to feel we a lwa ys pleasers, we are made to feel we always the problem, we always rewarded for being nice and obliging and shutting up. calling a woman crazy is the quickest way to silence her. why are you pulling a face? i just agree. i hate that word crazy. i see. is it right to let sean walshe and caddyjones continue in strictly? absolutely not. we are in this fantastic movement of #metoo where women are being seen and heard and believed and the next step is the consequences. the bbc have a

responsibility to shirin ebadi not condone a man on whether partner has said he has been emotionally abusive to have a platform as big and amazing as strictly. it is a claim, navigation, we don‘t know if it is true, sean walshe hasn‘t responded directly to that. would you expect the bbc tv show to get involved in that? if she had claimed he had abused her physically... but she didn‘t. abused her physically... but she didn't. if that had happened... but she didn‘t. didn't. if that had happened... but she didn't. we have to take emotional abuse as seriously as physical abuse. if she had claimed he had physically abused her he would have been suspended pending investigation. emotional abuse is so damaging. more power to people like rebecca. i read her statement and felt so inspired. there have been so many women who have had the courage to end their abusive relationship because of her statement. jack

street porter was not impressed —— janet street porter was not impressed saying the rebecca humphries needed to get a grip. terrible! we have to talk about internalised misogyny. women and men have grown up in a society that favours men and gives them a power and voice and shouts down women. she is not the only woman i am aware of who might take that view because they have learned to survive in a culture where you are rewarded if you side with men. it is important to mention that this isn‘t necessarily a bad cheating. cheating is awful and heartbreaking and infidelity is so painful but it is ultimately survival —— isn‘t necessarily about cheating. this is about what rebecca humphries said in her statement, he has been manipulated and accused her of being "crazy". that‘s the issue. manipulated and accused her of being "crazy". that's the issue. we have tried to get a statement from seann welsh or his representatives and that has not been forthcoming. peter, what is your take?”

that has not been forthcoming. peter, what is your take? i can't comment on the relationship between seann and rebecca, i haven't met them and don't know the dynamics. the but the dynamics of people in intense partnerships. while learning to dance? i can talk about that! that is why you are here, peter. dancing is an innate activity but we have two side to us, and it tried to have two side to us, and it tried to have certain behaviours and control. we have intention and control. we can moderate these two things. we are born to dance, dancing is an innate behaviour, tiny babies respond to rhythmic movements and they move their bodies. when couples dance together and people danced together, it can lead to social bonding. in schools for instance or in workplaces, people dancing together bond together. it's great. no one would disagree that dancing is great and sociable and the rest of it. it‘s the intensity of what we have apparently seen happen on this dance tv competition over a number of years. which means that some

people end up stepping over a line. they do. all those conditions dance bring you together. the emotional roller—coaster you have through dancing is something you have a shared experience but it doesn't happen with every single couple. exactly. it didn't happen with ed balls, did it? ultimately, the couples make the choice. if, through that dancing and intimacy, close hold all the time, you decide that you want to spend more time with that partner and you want to spend more time off the dance floor with the partner, that's fine but it is your moral choice about whether you then betray your partner or whether you follow the feelings that you have for this other person. if it wasjust a one off have for this other person. if it was just a one off drunken have for this other person. if it wasjust a one off drunken kiss, i absolutely think that you shouldn't ruina absolutely think that you shouldn't ruin a marriage. that isn't something they should be thrown off for. but it's in light of what rebecca has said that has to be taken rebecca has said that has to be ta ken seriously. rebecca has said that has to be taken seriously. briefly, peter. that's the important thing. you shouldn't betray somebody, i don't think they should be thrown off the

show, that isn't relevant to the show, that isn't relevant to the show itself. they might be voted off on the weekend that whether their partners stay with them is their partner's choice. thank you. bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company, today. have a good day. we are back tomorrow at 9am. summerlike weather across the united kingdom attempt is expected 5—9dc, above the average for this time of year. above the average for this time of yea r. lots of above the average for this time of year. lots of sunshine out there. this is in leicestershire. replicated across the uk. still a bit of miss eunice here and there across england and wales. that will clear away and those temperatures responding in that sunshine. highest temperatures likely to be in central

and south—eastern areas, could be up to 23 or 24. even in the central belt of scotland, temperatures up to 21. tonight, showers moving away to south—west england, wales and gradually edging further north overnight. temperatures generally in double figures, a mild night, no lower than 15 in london. thursday, still some showers, particularly in northern and eastern areas clearing away and rain moves into northern ireland it will be more chilly here. still holding warmth in eastern parts. goodbye. you‘re watching bbc newsroom live — it‘s 11 am and these are the main stories this morning:

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