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today at five, the bodyguard who shot the westminster bridge attacker has broken down in court as he described the incident. giving evidence anonymously he said he warned khalid masood to drop his knives, before firing at him three times. we'll have the latest from the old bailey. the other main stories on bbc news at 5. a british couple are believed to be among nine people who've been killed in flash floods on the tourist island of majorca. the governor of florida warns that the massive hurricane bearing down on the united states' south east coast could be the most destructive storm to hit in a century. the uk's highest court rules that when a christian bakery refused to ice a cake with the slogan "support gay marriage", it did not break discrimination laws. ten westminster mps plan to vote
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down the budget next month if theresa may crosses the party's redlines and brexit. and coming up, the four—time olympic gold medallist, simone biles, tells the bbc she felt empowered by taking a stand against the doctor who abused her. i was kind of relieved when it came out, erm... ..and there was a lot of pressure off my shoulders. it's 5 o'clock — our top story: the close protection officer who shot the westminster bridge attacker has broken down in court as he described the incident. in march last year khalid masood killed four people before stabbing pc keith palmer to death. two bodyguards who were giving evidence at today's inquest were granted anonymity. helena kennedy has been
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following the inquest. explain what happened on another emotional day. the two close protection officers were given anonymity. they were out of sight of the media and the public gallery. thejury the media and the public gallery. the jury could see them, as could the barristers and the coroner in this inquest. they spoke about having been in new palace yard on the day of the attack. they were waiting for a minister to come out. it was prime minister's questions on that day. they heard a loud noise, one of them described it as an explosion. they went towards carriage gates, the gates where pc palmer was on duty. they described hearing people screen, members of the public running towards them and uniformed officers also running
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towards them. the close protection officer who ended up shooting khalid masood said they were frantically moving towards me, trying to get away from something or someone. he then described, and he broke down as he remembered the moment that he saw khalid masood in front of him. he said, he was carrying two large knives and i could see they were covered in blood. thejury was shown footage of the moment those two close protection officers were in front of khalid masood. only 5—7 metres away. the officer shouted at him asking him to drop his knives. he didn't respond, he carried on towards them. the barrister asked the officer, what did you think he was going to do? he replied, he was going to kill me. at that point, the officer fired three shots at khalid masood. the footage shows khalid masood. the footage shows khalid
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masood falling to the ground and then the two officers describing how they then went to help resuscitate they then went to help resuscitate the attacker. the evidence today has finished for the day. tomorrow, they will hear evidence in relation to khalid masood's background and his plans for the attack. on friday, the coroner has told them he will hear him summing up the case before he sent them out to deliberate. thank you. a british couple have died after their taxi was swept away during flash floods on the spanish island of majorca. nine people have been killed and six are still missing after a huge wave of water engulfed the town of sant llorenc following heavy rain. the spanish military has deployed more than a hundred emergency workers, asjenny kumah reports. a brutal and fatal flash flood. 8 inches of rainfall injust four hours.
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that's three times the normal amount for the whole of october. two british people are believed to be among the fatalities. it's been reported they were travelling in a taxi when they were caught in the flood. the foreign office says it is in touch with the spanish authorities and seeking updates. hundreds of residents have had to leave their homes and seek shelter. translation: everything is destroyed. destroyed. it's a tragedy what's happened here. ijust can't believe it. translation: it's a disaster. at the moment we are cut off and waiting for the emergency services to tell us what to do. in daylight, the search for the dozens of people missing continues. as time passes there is growing fear that the death toll will increase. here, emergency teams lift out a car washed away by the flood. they think a victim might be inside.
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but the car is empty. the flood swept cars away over long distances. this resident managed to find his cousin's vehicle over half a mile away from where it had been parked. translation: it was taken by the flood. we live on the first floor and saw how the water washed away everything. the only thing we could do is go to another house to shelter. this is normally a calm, picturesque holiday resort. it's where the reality show love island is filmed. but for the residents here, it will take months to recover from the flash floods' impact. jenny kumah, bbc news. up to half a million people have been urged to leave their homes in florida as hurricane michael approaches. the category four storm is packing winds of up to iasmph, and could produce waves 13 feet high.
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it's expected to make landfall in the next hour. this is the expected path of the storm — which is due to make landfall in north western florida before it head north east towards north and south carolina which were heavily hit by hurricane florence last month. the storm is expected to bring extremely heavy rain to the region and could cause widespread flooding. president trump has declared a state of emergency in florida, with thousands of troops deployed to prepare for the hurricane's arrival. jon donnison reports. hurricane michael is whipping towards florida with full force. sustained winds of up to 145 mph. in parts of the state, there has already been severe flooding. forecasters are warning of a
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possible four metres storm surge. businesses have been battening down the hatches. evacuation orders have been issued to more than 300,000 people, and for many it's been a case of pack up and get out. people, and for many it's been a case of pack up and get outm people, and for many it's been a case of pack up and get out. if it was just the adults we would have rode it out but we've got to be safe since they are with us. earlier, long traffic jams formed since they are with us. earlier, long trafficjams formed as people headed inland. fuel is running low and supermarket shelves empty and. this is the last thing we were picking up, extra water. usually busy resorts are practically deserted, and the authorities warn if you haven't already left coastal areas it's too late. now the storm is here, it isn't safe to travel. if you are in a coastal area, do not leave your house. the time to evacuate in coastal areas has come and gone. some had already decided to stay put. the media sometimes gets things a little bit crazy.
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people jump and gets things a little bit crazy. peoplejump and run, gets things a little bit crazy. people jump and run, and they should do that, but we've been through so many that we are comfortable staying, so we're going to. we've got enough food and generator, gas. we'll be just fine. satellite images show the scale of hurricane michael as it tracks north. it's already reportedly left more than a dozen people dead in central america. this isn't what you would hope for on a caribbean cruise. but this ship on the way to cuba got caught up in the storm, forcing passengers to ride it out. back in florida, emergency services are bracing themselves for a difficult 24 hours. reinforcements have been brought in from as far away as pennsylvania. the worst of hurricane michael still to come. john donis, bbc news. our north america correspondent gary o'donoghue is in panama city, florida, now.
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already we are getting the sense of the strength of the winds, the huge amount of rain we've been talking about. gary is very close to that camera shot we were just looking at. my camera shot we were just looking at. my goodness, i'm afraid you look as if you are being buffeted. it's picking up quite a lot. the wind isn't quite as bad as it is out front but the rain has started to intensify in the last half an hour. the winds and the gusts are definitely getting much, much bigger. the real key moment will come in and out war or two —— in an hour or two. that's the point where the really, really big winds are.
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for those staying in panama city beach, they've been told to stay put. you can't get out, you have to hunker down and keep going. the emergency authorities won't be able to come anywhere near you until the storm has passed. they are being told they are on their own. do we know how many people are staying, in fa ct? know how many people are staying, in fact? i was just know how many people are staying, in fact? i wasjust speaking to the police chief locally in bay county, this small area around panama city beach. he reckoned about 50% of those under an emergency evacuation order in this area decided to stay. a lot of those people will be people who have been through this before. onei who have been through this before. one i spoke to earlier had a new house, a house that was built last year, which was designed to withstand winds of up to 150 mph. he was staying, even though he was pretty close to the beach, quite frankly. he was going to sit and
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watch the show over the next few hours. goodness! take care. the bbc understands that the democratic unionist party's ten mps at westminster are threatening to vote down the government's budget in a few weeks' time — if the brexit deal agreed with the eu breaks the party's red lines. meanwhile the eu's chief negotiator, michel barnier, say he is doing his best to reach a deal for an orderly withdrawal — and warned that the cost of no deal would be very high. let's talk to our brussels reporter adam fleming. no surprise i suppose we're hearing language like this from so many quarters, because we are running up toa quarters, because we are running up to a very important couple of weeks.
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yes, and what's happening in brussels is arlene foster the leader of the dup is here seeing all sorts of the dup is here seeing all sorts of people from different member states and eu institutions. we caught up with had to ask about these reports her mps at westminster would vote against the budget in the next few weeks of their red lines weren't respected. remember, those red lines are about northern ireland not becoming part of eu's customs territory, and also there being no barriers between goods travelling between northern ireland and the uk. the reason that's important is because that's what's being proposed by the eu as part of their backstop, the insurance policy of preventing a ha rd the insurance policy of preventing a hard border on the island of ireland, if a future trade relationship doesn't solve the problem. i asked arlene foster 12 times if that's what her mps were planning to do but she's stopped her script which was explaining what the red lines are. we've been telling people about our
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red line. we have been talking them through it and the reason for it. the reason for it is we cannot have a customs or regulatory barrier in the irish sea, because that would cause us the irish sea, because that would cause us to be a rule taken from europe. we wouldn't be able to participate in uk trade deals in the future. essentially, it would give the eu a veto over northern ireland's trading future, and that's not something we can countenance, and it's not something the prime minister could countenance either. she's a unionist, she has made a lot of her unionist credentials over the years. what is important is for us to say to have very clearly that any impediment on the two—way access in the uk single market would not be good for the union and would not be good for the union and would not be good for the economy of northern ireland. the brexit negotiations in theory have gone dark in that they describe themselves as being in a tunnel and
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they don't want to speak to the outside world. imagine our surprise when it turned up michel barnier stock to a long—standing engagement he had which was to give a speech to business people in the european parliament today. i will tell you more in detail some of the interesting things he said but he is broadly the gist. our proposal tries to help the uk in managing the negative fallout of brexit in northern ireland, in a way that respects the territorial integrity of the uk. secondly, our proposal limits itself to what is absolutely necessary to avoid a hard border. customs procedures, the respect of the eu standards for products, it does not include measures on free movement of eu citizens, services, health care, or social or environmental policy. but the common travel area of will continue as today between the uk and ireland.
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and yet, our proposal gives northern ireland benefits that no part of the country enjoys, in particular continued access to the single market for goods, and continued benefits for the eu free trade agreements. that was michel barnier selling his version of the northern ireland backstop. he was making the point this wasn't a constitutional thing that breaks up the uk, look at it more as a technical problem that can be solved in these low—key, technical ways. that's the pitch he's been making and we assume what the negotiators are saying to their cou nterpa rts the negotiators are saying to their counterparts from the uk across the table, probably right now. the other thing that struck me in the speech, michel barnier talking about the
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future relationship. we know the building blocks will be spelt out in a separate document that will go next to the brexit treaty, which will be voted on as a pair in the parliament in the uk and the european parliament has well. he had a carrot and stick approach. the stick was he still has problems with the prime minister's proposalfor a free—trade area in goods and agricultural products with a common rule book. he thinks that would give the uk lots of opportunities to have a competitive advantage over the eu. however, he said if things go well he would have around ten parallel negotiating teams ready to start in april, the day after brexit, to show he was prepared to get things moving as soon as brexit happens. thank you. let's get an assessment of what's happening in westminster. we are hearing a cabinet meeting is being called tomorrow, let's find out more from jonathan blake. what's
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going on? we are hearing there's going on? we are hearing there's going to be a cabinet meeting tomorrow afternoon at 5pm. it's expected to last for an hour. not a meeting of the full cabinet, we understand, but a select group of senior ministers will meet tomorrow evening to hear an update from the prime minister on the brexit negotiations. that's the sum of what we know so far, but it's clearly a chance for the prime minister after a week in which things have gone relatively quiet in terms of the brexit negotiations. we haven't heard much from brussels, we haven't heard much from brussels, we haven't heard much from here at westminster. it maybe there is progress to report, but we'll have to wait and see. to pick up on what arlene foster the dup‘s threat to vote against the budget if the prime minister doesn't change her strategy and brexit, or if a deal is reached
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which they don't like, we've had a response from the prime minister's official spokesman. he said that the prime minister would not consider a defeat on the finance bill, in other words the budget happening later this month, to be a confidence vote in parliament. technically it wouldn't be, but the fact he's having to answer questions on it is a sign of the serious spot the government is in. there were a couple of brutal reminders, firstly ken clarke at premises questions giving the prime minister helpful reminder that parliamentary arithmetic is against her. talking about right—wing nationalists and hardline eurosceptics in parliament and break the conservative and labour benches that would not vote for her deal. also, borisjohnson this afternoon weighing into the debate again with his familiar argument. he is no fan of the prime minister's strategy. he said on twitter that this is an important
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moment, clearly number 10 is negotiating a backstop that would see the uk remain a permanent eu colony. he says it is closing off oui’ colony. he says it is closing off our options and calls on the prime minister to chuck chequers. the supreme court has ruled that the christian owners of a bakery in belfast did not break the law when they refused to bake a cake, decorated with a message supporting same—sex marriage. the judgement overturns two previous rulings that found ashers bakery had discriminated against the customer. emma vardy was in court. it's four years since gay—rights activist gareth lee walked into this belfast bakery to place an order. his purchase of a cake became a bitter legal row over the extent to which businesses can refuse to promote political views. the cake was to be iced with the message "support gay marriage". today the supreme court ruled that the bakery‘s refusal
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to take that order did not amount to discrimination. this court has held that nobody should be forced to have or express a political opinion in which he does not believe. the bakery‘s owners had previously been sued for discrimination and had lost their subsequent appeal. the decision of the uk's highest court to overturn previous rulings marks a hard fought vindication of their views. we did not turn down this order because of the person who made it, but because of the message itself. thejudges have given a clear signal today, in fact, it couldn't be clearer, family businesses like ours are free to focus on giving all their customers the best service they can, without being forced to promote other people's campaigns. the customer, gareth lee, spoke of his disappointment at seeing the judgment overturned. i paid my money.
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my money was taken and then a few days later it was refused, based upon the beliefs of the business owners. that made me feel like a second—class citizen and the judgment today tells me that that's ok. i am concerned notjust for the implications for myself or other gay people, but for every single one of us. the supreme courtjudges said the conclusions reached today were not intended to diminish the need to protect people who are gay from discrimination, saying it would be an affront to human dignity to refuse someone a service based on their sexual orientation. but that that was not what had happened in this case. the original cake costjust £36. the legal bills are now more than £200,000. emma vardy, bbc news, at the supreme court. with me now is the lgbt and human rights campaigner peter tatchell. good evening. your thoughts about
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what the supreme court decided today. first, let me say that i disagree with asher‘s bakery, they support discrimination in marriage law and i don't believe discrimination is a christian value. but as someone who supports freedom of expression, i don't believe they should be compelled to put a message ona cake should be compelled to put a message on a cake supporting gay marriage if thatis on a cake supporting gay marriage if that is their view that it is wrong. so, for you it is a principle of free speech? absolutely. i disagree with asher‘s bakery but i will defend their right to hold their point of view. this was never about discrimination against the person. this was always about discrimination against the idea of the message on the cake to support gay marriage. what the supreme court today said is that just as asher‘s what the supreme court today said is thatjust as asher‘s bakery cannot
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be compelled to put a pro—gay marriage message on a cake, equally a 93v marriage message on a cake, equally a gay baker could not be compelled to put a message against gay marriage on a cake. so, it works both ways. what about the man himself, gareth lee, who wanted this ca ke himself, gareth lee, who wanted this cake made? we heard a bit from him they're saying essentially now in northern ireland he feels as a gay man, he feels like a second—class citizen because of today's ruling, because you live somewhere where gay marriages and permitted. do you have sympathy with how he feels?” marriages and permitted. do you have sympathy with how he feels? i do, and of course i support the battle for marriage equality in northern ireland, as do 70% of the northern irish people. they want equal marriage, they want same—sex couples to be able to marry the person they love. but i don't believe there should be compulsion against those who disagree. it's about defending the rights and freedoms, even of those whose views i do not share. i
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would hope that they in retrospect would hope that they in retrospect would reciprocate. you have articulated your stance very clearly, but i wonder whether there is an element of this could send are taken confusing message. people trying to follow this story, two court saying it's wrong, care quality commission of the northern ireland said there is concern that thisjudgment ireland said there is concern that this judgment might raise uncertainty about the application of equality law when it comes to businesses. what businesses can do and what customers can expect. there could be confusion. possibly. this case is different from the christian bed and breakfast owners who refused to accommodate a same—sex couple. that was clear discrimination against people, and discrimination against people, and discrimination against people, and discrimination against people, whoever they are, thatis against people, whoever they are, that is always wrong. but this wasn't about discrimination against the person, it was about discrimination against an idea.
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there is an important distinction. i agree there are complex areas and certain instances where this may create a problem, but i think overall the principle is good to say that in a free society people shouldn't be compelled to facilitate ideas with which they have a conscientious objections. thank you for coming in. a woman who spent £16 million in harrods is fighting to keep her home after becoming the first target for a new uk anti—corruption order. she has been named as zamira hajiyeva, who's originally from azerbaijan and is the wife of a former state banker. as well as her multi—million pound shopping sprees, she bought a house worth £11 million close to the harrods store in london, and a golf course in berkshire. the high court has ordered her to explain the source of her wealth. if she can't she risks losing her home. investigators from the national crime agency say they believe there are billions of pounds of dirty money invested in british property — but it is almost impossible to charge the owners
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with a crime or seize the assets because of a lack of evidence. dominic casciani reports. a luxury home worth more than £11 million in one of the most expensive and exclusive neighbourhoods of london. it's also property at the heart of a ground—breaking legal battle to reveal suspected corrupt foreign wealth hidden in the capital. the owner and his wife are the target of the uk's first use of an anti—corruption power, and unexplained wealth order demanding they reveal how they became so rich. the court order targets this man's wealth, jahangir hajiyev, former chairman of the bank of azerbaijan, jailed for 15 years for fraud and embezzlement. tens of millions of pounds disappeared from his bank. where did the money go? that is the
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question posed to his wife zamira. the home ofjust around the corner from harrods and she was one of their best customers. armed with three harrods loyalty cards and 35 credit cards, she went on a bit of a spending spree. the high court heard over a decade she blew £16 million inside. she indulged her love of luxury goods throughout the store. one day, £150,000 went on jewellery. the next, £1800 topping up the wine cellar. it's not just the next, £1800 topping up the wine cellar. it's notjust her harrods spending that is under official scrutiny. the national crime agency also wants to know how a company controlled by her could afford to buy this berkshire golf club for more than £10 million. their lawyer says jahangir hajiyev was a fat cat banker but not a crook. he's the victim of a miscarriage ofjustice
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and his wife is seeking to overturn the wealth order. anti—corruption campaigners say the new power could finally turn off the tap of dirty money that has been poured into the british property market. the police have estimated money laundering through the uk is in the order of hundreds of billions of pounds a year. these first unexplained wealth orders are incredibly important test case, but we will need many more of them to pursue the proceeds of crime that have come to the uk. we are going to need a transformation in oui’ going to need a transformation in our attitude to dirty money from around the world. if they cannot prove a legal source for their wealth, the courts could seize the property. investigators are preparing to target other suspects. the battle to uncover corrupt cash has just the battle to uncover corrupt cash hasjust begun. with me as duncan haynes, director of policy and transparency international uk which campaigns to free the uk of corruption. i mean,
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the figures in this are absolutely staggering. the question is do we have any sense of the extent to which this is happening in this country? how much do we know and can we know? we certainly believe this is the tip of the iceberg. the police themselves estimate money—laundering through the uk is in the order of hundreds of billions of pounds a year so this test case is potentially a breakthrough but it needs to be followed by many more. and you welcome it, clearly. in terms of any one individual case, what can be done? can money ever be recovered ? what can be done? can money ever be recovered? people following this will think... shouldn't this be... how much further to be go in terms of criminal charges? what goes on in principle? traditionally, britain has found it very hard to seize proceeds of crime and corruption, especially when that corruption is in countries where those who are
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involved are protected, they enjoy impunity from the law because of their connection so this does not rely on criminal evidence. it is a civil case but could result in the assets being recovered and, under oui’ assets being recovered and, under our obligations, under the united nations convention against corruption, ultimately the british government must look for ways to return the proceeds of these crimes to those that lost them in the first place. i mean, people, again, listening to this coverage today might have read in the last 24 hours of for example the most expensive property ever sold in this country, 160 million, a flat in central london. and the point there is it has been bought by an overseas company. and that is all the british people will ever know. to what extent people will ever know. to what exte nt d oes people will ever know. to what extent does that type into all of
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this? because london property in particular is very attractive to overseas buyers, isn't it? this is oui’ overseas buyers, isn't it? this is our major hole in our defences, our own research has found property worth in excess of £4 billion board with suspicious wealth. until we know who owns property that is being bought through shell companies registered overseas, it will be impossible to go after all of the dirty money here. the government's been committed to doing something about that for a couple of years now but we are yet to have legislation introduced before parliament to open up introduced before parliament to open up these company registers from other countries. right, that was going to be my next question, what more would you will organisation like to see done? we need to know who owns hoppity in the united kingdom. without that, it is impossible to defend against illicit funds, proceeds of crime and corruption, being stashed in the uk right under our noses. to do that,
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we need new laws to make sure that overseas companies that own property in the uk have to declare who really owns them. thank you very much for coming in. much more coming up in the next half an hour. we will catch up the next half an hour. we will catch up with the weather prospects. helen willets has those. we have the imminent arrival of hurricane michael in florida, here in the uk we have had the warmest october day since 2011, up in anglesey, just close to 24 degrees and just over, outside london. through the evening, we pick up a change in the weather with showers pulling northwards. a mild night, murkier as well as we pick up the low cloud and the moisture increases and then there is another band of rain in central and eastern areas clearing, then sunshine, then a couple of hours of rain as this weather system makes its way towards northern ireland, it brightens up
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behind it. it is a weather sandwich tomorrow but if you have the sunshine either side, it'll still be quite warm, 20—21, which is still well above where it should be for this time of year. friday, this storm comes in, ensuring autumnal bales and wet weather indeed. the warnings are on the website. this is bbc news, these are the latest headlines. the bodyguard who shot dead the westminster attacker tells an inquest he warned khalid massood to drop his knives before firing at him three times. a british couple are among 9 people who've been killed by severe flooding on the spanish island of mallorca. another 6 people are still missing. the uk's highest court has ruled that a belfast bakery did not break the law when it refused to ice a cake with the slogan
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"support gay marriage," a message they profoundly disagreed with. the governor of florida has warned the hurricane bearing down on the us south—east coast could be the most destructive in a century. much more coming up in the next half an hour, we will be talking about mental health, among many other things but, right now, we catch up with all the latest sports news coming from holly. good evening. we start with cricket and the first one day international between england and sri lanka has been abandoned in dambulla because of rain. england had reached 92—2 before a lengthy shower rendered the outfield unplayable. the next match in the five game series gets under way on saturday at the same ground, weather permitting. australia are struggling to save the first test against pakistan. australia were chasing a daunting target of 462 runs, but after making 87 without losing
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a wicket, they then lost three without adding to that total. they did recover a little, with usman khawaja finishing unbeaten on 50. they are 136 for three, needing an improbable 326 for victory. shane warne said he was left embrassed by the ball tampering scandal that saw former captain steve smith, david warner and cameron bancroft banned from cricket. both warner and smith were given 12 month suspensions and bancroft nine months for the part they played in changing the surface of the ball in the infamous series with south africa six months ago. i was embarrassed. i'm not sure how it gets to the stage in a test match where you say we will take sandpaper into the middle and put it on the wall. it was terrible and
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embarrassing and disappointing. the australian cricket team need to gain the respect back of the cricketing community. they need to regain the respect of the australian public, especially. the anyway they can do thatis especially. the anyway they can do that is the way they conduct themselves and i hope they don't the australian tv and a which is hard, tough, but fair. —— the australian dna. gareth bale is out of wales' friendly with spain tomorrow night. the real madrid forward was withdrawn early in saturday's loss with alaves. manager ryan giggs confirmed he won't feature tomorrow and remains a doubt for their nations league match with the republic of ireland in six days' time. he will however be on the pitch before the spain game to receive a golden boot for the record 30 goals he's scored for his country. the search is on for geraint thomas' tour de france trophy which was stolen from a cycling show in birmingham last month. it was on loan from team sky to their bike supplier pinarello when, at the end of the event, it was taken. thomas has pleaded with whoever has it to do the right thing and return it. thomas is just the third british rider to win the race. olly foster will be here for a rull
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round up in sportsday at 6:30pm. goodbye from me. the prime minister has appointed the uk's first ministerfor suicide prevention and promised more support for young people to mark world mental health day. ministers and officials from more than 50 countries have gathered in london for what's said to be the first international summit on mental health, with experts warning of a global crisis. around 4,500 people take their lives every year in england, and suicide remains the leading cause of death among men under the age of 45. sophie hutchinson reports. i will be talking to two people who are doing an awful lot of work in this field. more details about today's events from our health correspondent. the duke and duchess of cambridge highlighting the importance of mental health at this week's world summit in london.
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today the government acknowledged that more support was needed for those suffering. i recognise that the treatment on mental health in the nhs to date has not always been as good as it needs to be. and, as we put in an extra £20 billion, we are going to make sure we address those concerns foursquare. the 20 billion is for the whole of the nhs in england and it's not yet known how much will go to mental health. the government wants to tackle suicide, rates are falling, but 4,500 people still take their lives every year in england. the government has announced new funding for the samaritans to ensure the helpline remains free for the next four years and a new title for health ministerjackie doyle price, to become the uk's first minister for suicide prevention. but some have questioned whether this is really enough. we hear about people just suffering for months as they wait for an appointment.
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just this week a poll suggested a quarter of mental health patients were waiting at least three months to see a specialist in england, wales and scotland and some say delays in treating patients are putting lives at risk. we are failing people at the moment, so what a minister will do without having money to change the services at the front line and employ more doctors and nurses and open more psychiatric beds, i don't see how we will prevent the loss of life. the government insists mental health is a priority, whether it is will become clearer when an nhs10—year plan is published next month. sophie hutchinson, bbc news. with me are megan crabbe and jonny benjamin. megan is a body positivity blogger who had anorexia as a teenager and now campaigns against diet
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culture and the harmful effects it has on young people. jonny is a mental health campaigner and author of the stranger on the bridge, his memoir about finding the man who stopped him taking his own life in 2008. it is so good to see both of you, thank you very much and thank you for coming in. by definition you're talking about things that are difficult. first a thought from both a few, megan, the fact there is this day, leaders are coming together from around the world to discuss this, is it at least something positive as far as you're concerned? i hope so. i am positive as far as you're concerned? i hope so. iam hopeful and i hope first and foremost the voices of young people are being listened to and that the decisions will be influenced by the people who are the most affected as well. what do you think? absolutely. often young people don't get their voices heard
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and adults make all the decisions. when it comes to mental health services, young people are ignored on lots of different things. social media, for example, when we talk to young people, they say to us, all we are told is stop playing on it but we need to understand from young people what is going on from them and too many times young people don't get their voices heard which needs to change, i think. that is so interesting. already, jonny what you've said, and i want to listen to you've said, and i want to listen to you and hear what young people say. you work with children in schools and that could be my response, couldn't it? in older persons as don't look at your phone, don't look at twitter, people are horrible on twitter. it isn't at my age, it isn't going to be nice when you are ten or 11 or 12 but clearly you suggest that is not the answer. we need to talk to young people and see why they feel the need to be on snap chatton instagram. we went to school a year ago, young people said they set their alarms at 230 because they
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need to go on snap chat because their classmates are on snap chat and if they don't, they will be kicked out of these streaks. who wants to be excluded when you're young? will need to talk to young people and understand the anxiety and stress. social media, as well as pressures, having such impact on young people. megan, you talk about this. we talk about you being a blogger or vlogger, remind me, this. we talk about you being a blogger orvlogger, remind me, but why did you start on this place?|j why did you start on this place?” used to use social media as a comparison tool. he is to follow fitness bloggers and celebrities who photo shopped their pictures. i used to come off feeling terrible about myself so when i discovered this body positive community that was the first time i've encountered anyone who said you don't have to hate your body and don't spend your whole life trying to shrink yourself. you are
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allowed to see value in yourself beyond how your body looks. so, all i wanted to do is tell as many people that as i could because if i didn't hear it when i was a teenager, imagine how many people still have not heard this. like you we re still have not heard this. like you were saying, social media is so unavoidable and it isn't going anywhere, and i think it is so, so important we give young people the option you can cure rate your feeds, you can feel this —— find this stuff that makes you feel that you have value. you're talking about curating your feeds. be careful what you look at, don't feel the need to go along with everything everyone says and does but, again, if you are quite young, that is a hard message, isn't it? we are trying to build resilience, so, therefore, what more can be done in the home and schools to try to do that, jonny? more of a
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dialogue, first of all. instead of people saying just turn it off and stop playing on it, we need to have a dialogue. notjust families but within schools as well. i'd love to see more in schools around social media. a lot of young people talks us media. a lot of young people talks us about relationships and their one guides them through relationships. things like exam stress, all of these things we need to talk about within schools as well as within the family home and ijust wish that, you know, schools, communities would ta ke you know, schools, communities would take it more seriously because i am concerned about young people and i think there is an epidemic of a mental health crisis in young people we are not taking seriously.” mental health crisis in young people we are not taking seriously. i don't wa nt to we are not taking seriously. i don't want to say this is 100% about social media because people suffered with mental health before social media. that said, could that be on the national curriculum ? media. that said, could that be on the national curriculum? how to deal with it? 10096. the national curriculum? how to deal with it? 100%. and, the national curriculum? how to deal with it? 10096. and, again, i don't know about you, i wish social media that forms, instagram, facebook, twitter, i wish they'd take more
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responsibility and go into schools or send guides into schools. no one knows what to do. we need some help with this and it is the responsibility of not just social media platforms but everyone needs to take responsibility for this. i don't know what you think? even if you aren't a circumstance if you can't give a step—by—step guide about what you should do, we should all be told every day that mental illness is not a personalfailure and for these kids if you are experiencing these motions, even if you can't name them or you don't know who to talk to, it isn't your fault you are feeling this way and you deserve help. absolutely. so, we are going to get more details in a month or so, what concrete plans both of you would you like to see? what would, to your mind, be any responsible government be doing now in the face of everything young people tell you, megan?” in the face of everything young people tell you, megan? i mean, i would love to see body image, diet
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culture, fat phobia, all these things addressed in schools on a curriculum, as you said. i'd love see social media implement more safeguards or rules or assign more people to protect what young people are seeing and may be monitored more closely. what do you think?” are seeing and may be monitored more closely. what do you think? i think as well, absolutely the preventative side. and, also, when young people need support, things like waiting lists for the child and adolescent health service are absolutely shameful. i think the government, they are talking about it a lot but we want to see action and we want to see it now. they're talking about doing things in two years, three years, stuffed in schools by 2021. we need to see it now because too many young people are suffering and missing out on vital support. the average time between first symptoms of mental health issues and treatment is ten years in this
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country. ten? ten. if you had a physical issue, struggling with whatever, you wouldn't wait ten years to get help and support but thatis years to get help and support but that is what is happening in this country and i just that is what is happening in this country and ijust think it isn't being taken serious enough. absolutely not. speaking from the perspective of having had an eating disorder, eating disorders so much of it is based on the physical. even for medical health professionals, if you don't look sick enough... eating disorders, out of all mental health illnesses, you shouldn't have to see a physical effect, you trust it is real and valid. absolutely, absolutely. i could talk to you through to six o'clock, i really wish we could. thank you for sharing your experiences and telling us about the remarkable work you do, megan and jonny, great to see you again. just worth mentioning that if you would like more information about where to get help and support,
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there are the details. ahead of her return to international competition, four—time olympic gold medallist and most—decorated world championship gymnast simone biles has told bbc news she felt empowered by taking a stand against the doctor, who abused her and other young american gymnasts, and hopes that sharing her story will encourage other people to tell theirs as well. our correspondent natalie pirks has been to meet her. the final move of her olympic championships... in 2016, in the heat of rio, simone biles said the world ablaze. how does she do it? five olympic medals was her reward, four of them gold. now everyone knew her name. but what goes up must come down.
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when she returned here, to her hometown of spring in texas, she took an 18 month break to heal her body and mind. she told me she knows her achievements in rio, though, keep the spotlight firmly on her. it is more pressure because you know exactly what to expect and the pressure that will be put on you first time, you kind of are so excited to be there. now you have those expectations. after her break, she came back with a bang at the us nationals in august, sweeping gold in every event to make american gymnastics history. it was like she had never been away but, yet, some things have changed. the teal leotard she wore at nationals was in solidarity with victims of sexual abuse, a part of her history she felt she had to speak out about. us team doctor larry nasser abused more than 150 young women and girls under the guise
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of medical treatment. biles confirmed that she, too, had been one of his victims. earlier this year, nasser was sentenced to 175 years in prison. your decision to assault was precise, manipulative... devious... despicable. the judge was absolutely amazing, on her part, so we are very proud of her. i mean, it's kind of a relief because he kind of got what he deserved. what prompted you make the decision to write that statement? it's very hard but i figured people do look up to me so they're, like, if simone can be strong enough, hopefully i can, too, and that's kind of the message that i wanted to give. but i was kind of relieved when it came out. it was a lot of pressure off my shoulders. it was at the home of us coaches the karolyis where nasser abused gymnasts. when biles said it would be
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heartbreaking to return there, us gymnastics ended a 17 year association with the branch. how did that feel? i don't know, it kind of felt empowering, even though that is an overused word right now but, really, yeah. biles is moving on in the best way she knows how. already the most decorated world championship gymnast of all time, she could reach new heights this month but even she accepts there are limits. for my first olympic games, to walk away with five medals... i think it's kind of unbeatable, even for myself. so, we willjust go in there with an open mind and see what happens. win or lose, the 21—year—old is guaranteed to soar. the winner of the royal institute of british architects' most prestigious award, the riba stirling prize, will be announced this evening. among those shortlisted this year are a new art gallery, student housing, a lecture theatre and a nursery. our correspondent, david sillito is at the award
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ceremony in north london. where later on we will find out which building has one. hello, david. i've got some questions for you first. what do you think the best colour is forgetting a three—year—old off to sleep? how do you marry the needs of chamber music and children's you marry the needs of chamber music and child ren‘s parties you marry the needs of chamber music and children's parties in the same venue? how about high finance and housing a roman temple? here is another one how do you include people in a funeral if they are not allowed to be in the same room as the coffin? those are all the problems that have been solved by this year's stirling prize nominees. the people's vote has so far gone for the bloomberg building but the bookies favourite? it is a building in cambridge. so if you could put yourfinger on one thing that makes a place a place, what is it? we're in cambridge to see a village hall. but storey‘s field is a community centre with a difference. my guide, daisy, helps
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communities get the best buildings for their needs. and this, she thinks, is one of the best she has ever seen. into the reception of the building. it's quite a nice reception for a community hall? the whole building does not feel like a community centre in any way. also helping us test out the nursery were allegra and teddy. the architects have travelled around the world looking at what makes the perfect nursery. this is the sleeping room. even the colour of the nap room is said to be the ideal colour to aid sleep. and the main hall has been designed to do everything, from chamber music to funerals and children's parties, to dance. very spacious and one of the most spacious community halls i've ever seen. they can even change the acoustic in the room by lowering the blinds. just listen to the change in the echo. give me a clap.
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quite an echo there. another clap, please. it's really changed the sound, hasn't it? i think we were below half a second. it's around half a second. however, when it came to a public vote it was this billion pound office development, bloomberg's european hq, that topped the poll. i like that bit and that bit. nevertheless, the odds—on favourite for tonight's stirling prize, britain's best new building, is this community hall, that will probably make every village in britain a bitjealous. david sillito, bbc news, cambridge. as you can see, everyone has now started to gather here for tonight's announcement for the stirling prize. before that, let's have a chat with rob wilson of the architectsjournal and a couple of those other buildings. i mentioned a cemetery, a
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jewish cemetery, what is interesting about that, bushey cemetery? the particularly interesting thing is it is built of earth. soil? yes, which has 2% cement mix that keeps it all together. the earth actually comes from the side, from the local area, so it is quite poetic, in a way. it is about dust to dust. it is also very sustainable, in terms of it coming from the soil and it can return to soil and be recycled. coming from the soil and it can return to soil and be recycledm has a limited life expectancy because it'll fill up? yes, exactly. it is one of the most sustainable buildings on the shortlist. so, that is ajewish buildings on the shortlist. so, that is a jewish cemetery, bushey cemetery, very small scale in comparison with, let's say, £1 billion building on the shortlist, bloomberg. that, bloomberg is a bit of norman, i suppose —— a bit of a
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phenomenon. the quality of the materials are incredible. the outside, it is stone. yes. there is bronze, it has breathing walls. for a very large building it is very sustainable to run because you have seminatural ventilation. there is stack effect and there is a lot of really good public space created around it. so, that stone has been dug out of a closed quarry, wasn't it? yes, it was closed and reopened. and then they had to retrain the stone meson is. inside it is fairly impressive as well. inside, you have this ramp. you come in, you rise up to the fourth floor, where there is a communal space. and the office workers actually move down through the space, these a communal spaces, amazing ceiling lighting. it is quite an experimental building for
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such a huge building. we will find out later on to my actually won, 8:30pm tonight the news channel, a half—hour programme finding out who has won this year's riba stirling prize. fantastic, thank you very much, david. special programme 8:30pm tonight, live from the roundhouse in london. but have a look at the weather. it has been the hottest october day in seven years with temperatures over 24 celsius. things are about to turn more unsettled and cooler over the next few days but over this evening, it is quite mild and humid with showery rain initially in the south—west moving northwards across most parts of the country at some point through the night. by thursday morning, some low cloud, mist and murky, with the odd rumble of thunder with those showers. the showers were eastwards through scotla nd showers were eastwards through scotland and eastern england and then we see the next batch of rain moving in from the west so i think
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most areas will see a bit of showery rain at some point on thursday, things turning more breezy. still mild, 20—21 in the south—east, turning fresher behind that cold front. that front makes its weight used words and then the influence of storm colour moving in from the west bringing windy and wet weather through friday and into the weekend, too. bye—bye. the uk's highest court rules that a bakery was within its rights to refuse to make a cake with a slogan supporting same—sex marriage. thejudges agreed that the bakers were not anti—gay but were allowed to object to the slogan, or any slogan. the supreme court emphatically accepted what we have said all along. we did not turn down this order because of the person who made it but because of the message itself. that made me feel like second—class citizen and the judgment today tells me that that's ok. a victory for freedom of speech? or
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