hello, it's monday, it's nine o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. our exclusive story today — hampshire police become the first force in the uk to hand out leaflets to suspected child sex offenders warning them to change their behaviour. we are reassured by the fact that, through that supported police engagement, that management of the risk they present, that actually we are not seeing those people coming back across our threshold. this is effectively criminalisation by default without going through the proper mechanisms that have been set out by parliament to ensure that people's due process rights are protected. hampshire police say the notices are only handed once an investigation is done but there's not enough evidence to charge. one police and crime commissioner tells us the leaflets "won't protect a soul". you can watch our exclusive film at 9:15. in the last few minutes, it's been announced that the duchess of sussex is pregnant. meghan and harry's baby is due in spring next year.

downing street says the uk can make progress in the brexit negotiations, even though last—minute unscheduled talks by the brexit secretary in brussels yesterday broke down afterjust an hour. the first thing the prime minister needs to do is publish the proposals they are all arguing about, because parliament will be asked to vote on this in due course, and we don't even know what the heart of the dispute is. are the brexit talks heading for breakdown this week? eu negotiators insisting on a fallback solution for northern ireland. hello, welcome to the programme, we're live until 11 this morning. we want to hear what you think about these notices being handed out by hampshire police —

could they work? they are being handed out to people that police believe may have been involved in abuse of sexual behaviour towards children. one defence laywer has called it lazy policing. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you, and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. our top story today, kensington palace has announced that the prince harry and his wife meghan are expecting a baby. the child is due in spring 2019. the palace says that their royal highnesses are delighted to share the news. senior members of the royal family were informed at the wedding of princess eugenie on friday. our royal correspondentjonny dymond joins us from sydney, where the duke and duchess of sussex are taking part in their first official royal tour since they married in may. in other news, it's the start of a crucial week for brexit negotiations, with theresa may

set to face her cabinet and european leaders after a day of dramatic but disappointing negotiations yesterday. the government insists the uk can still make progress in the divorce talks despite serious unresolved issues, including the irish border. sources say there will be no further talks between the uk and eu negotiators before the prime minister attends a summit of eu leaders in brussels on wednesday. our political guru, norman smith, is at westminster. what is this week's sticking point? it isa what is this week's sticking point? it is a big one, vic, and it comes back again to northern ireland, what to do if the eu and the uk can't agree a trade deal, what is the fallback in that scenario to avoid any sort of hard border in northern ireland? and what has emerged is that the eu have basically gone back to their plan a. you may remember

backin to their plan a. you may remember back in february they said, look, if there is no deal, we will have to create an artificial border down the irish sea between northern ireland and the rest of the uk to make sure there are no border checks between northern ireland and ireland, but mrs may at the time said, look, i can't accept that, no british prime minister can i accept that, and we had a whole load of brexiteers and others saying that it would amount to annex sing northern ireland and keeping it in the eu, separate from the rest of the uk. but it seems the eu have decided to play hardball and saying, look, if we can't sort out a trade deal, we know you have come up with a backstop proposal, a uk wide customs arrangement, but what happens if that doesn't work. we'll have to keep in our back pocket the option of, in effect, having a customs border down the irish sea. why this matters so much is it is an issue of principle, not something you can sort out with a nip and tuck

here all there, a little bit of clever language, it is a fundamental issue for not just clever language, it is a fundamental issue for notjust unionist politicians but for many, many people anxious about any sort of hacking up of the uk. so here we are, just two days out from the crucial summit, and suddenly we have what downing street are openly acknowledging this morning is a real, real problem, and there are no talks pencilled in between now and thatis talks pencilled in between now and that is dummett. so everything rests on wednesday, albeit this morning, listening tojeremy on wednesday, albeit this morning, listening to jeremy hunt, on wednesday, albeit this morning, listening tojeremy hunt, the foreign secretary, still trying to sound confident. we are two days away from this moment of truth, you have described this as a battle of britain, how can there be a battle when nobody is on the field at the moment and talks appear to have stalled ? moment and talks appear to have stalled? is it frustrating?” moment and talks appear to have stalled? is it frustrating? ithink this is a difficult period, it was a lwa ys this is a difficult period, it was always going to be a moment like this, but we should remember that a

huge amount of progress has been made, there are one or two very difficult outstanding issues, but i think we can get there. weather we do this week or not, who knows? but i know everyone is trying incredibly hard, dominic raab was here yesterday, over the weekend i was meeting european foreign ministers, so meeting european foreign ministers, soi meeting european foreign ministers, so i think it is possible to do it, andi so i think it is possible to do it, and i think with goodwill on all sides, we can get there, but there are difficult issues yet to overcome. now, vic, what makes it much harderfor mrs may, we know ardent brexiteers in her party are up ardent brexiteers in her party are up in arms, the dup are threatening to vote down the budget, but what is making this so hard for mrs may is the cabinet is going wobbly. we have seen people like esther mcvey, penny mordaunt, they are refusing to back her approach. but a glimmer of better news for the pm this morning, because penny mordaunt, when she emerged from her house, was asked,

are you going to resign? answer, no, have a listen. everyone is getting oi'i have a listen. everyone is getting on with theirjobs, we are supporting the prime minister to get the best deal for the country, everyone needs to calm down, we are entering the final stages of negotiations, we all behind the pm. what are the chances of a deal being agreed this week, do think? answers came then on. where we are, vic, it is all going to hinge on whether mrs may, when she goes to that summit on wednesday can convince eu leaders to drop their demand for this special separates deal for northern ireland, which the british government believes, in effect, carves northern ireland from the rest of the uk. but remember, when we had that summit a month or so ago in salzburg, it all ended with people sort of metaphorically throwing plates at each other, it didn't end happily. so the chances of this one ending

happily, perhaps, not that great. we will be talking more about brexit on the programme a little later. let's bring you the rest of the morning news so bring you the rest of the morning news so far, here isjoanna. hampshire police have given out more than 50 notices, warning people not to commit sex offences involving children. this programme has exclusively revealed that the force is handing out leaflets when it does not have enough evidence to charge a person. defence lawyers have accused the force of "lazy policing". labour mp sarah champion, co—chair of the all party parliamentary group on preventing sexual violence, said she was in favour of the initiative. child abuse seems to be such a growing crime in this country, but for me early intervention has to be key. the potential of someone looking at escalating their abusive behaviour, surely that means we have to do something positive to try and prevent it. fracking for shale gas is expected to begin this morning for the first time since 2011 after a final legal attempt to prevent work starting at the site in lancashire failed on friday, the site has been the scene of repeated protests

from environmentalists. fracking involves pumping liquid at high pressure deep underground to fracture rock and release natural gas. dave guest is in lancashire. well, the protesters on top of that van since early this morning, and this is the day, of course, that they have been dreading for a couple of years, the day when fracking is due to begin on the site. at the moment, a larger police presence than protesters, and the police have closed the main road here. there hasn't been fracking in lancashire since 2011, when it was linked to earth tremors in the blackpool area. since then, it has been a hotly contested issue with the company cuadrilla hoping to start work on exploratory fracking on this site, protesters trying to stop them. last week, they were in the high court

trying to get an injunction to prevent fracking here, claiming the cou nty prevent fracking here, claiming the county council didn't have a robust enough emergency plan, that was thrown out by the courts last week, cuadrilla has plans to start fracking at the weekend, but that was put off because of the weather, which is much better today. as i say, the road is sealed off, fracking is due to start on the site later this morning. cuadrilla believes there are massive reserves of shale gas under this ground, they wa nt to of shale gas under this ground, they want to carry out tests fracking to see whether they could do it on a commercial scale. if they did want to do that, they would need to see further licences. they say they have everything in place to make sure this is safe, but they will never convince the protesters, who say the cost to the environment is simply too great. a british cyclist has been shot dead by a hunter in the french alps. the 34—year—old originally from south wales, named locally as marc sutton, was killed by a stray bullet while riding in woodland near montriond close to the swiss border. more than 20 people have died in hunting accidents in france in the past three years. pressure is mounting

on saudi arabia almost two weeks after journalist jamal khashoggi disappeared while visiting the country's consulate in istanbul. the uk, france and germany have issued a rare joint statement demanding answers and saying they're treating the incident with the utmost seriousness. ? gps are being told to refer people to social activities instead of prescribing pills to help tackle loneliness. the government's also promising an extra £1.8 million for community groups to create things like cafes, art spaces and gardens as part of a "loneliness strategy". approximately three in four workers in the uk experience changes in their monthly pay, according to research by the resolution foundation. the not—for—profit research and policy organisation looked at the bank statements of seven million anonymous lloyds customers, found that the lowest paid were most likely to experience periodic drops in income. the government says the introduction of universal credit will help with irregular work or wages, as opposed to the old benefits system. an historic island fortress off

the coast of plymouth has been put up for sale with a guide price of £6 million. dra ke's island has a 16th century barracks, a pier and underground network of tunnels. the six acre site also comes with planning permission for a hotel and spa. a bear cub which had a large plastic bucket stuck on its head for three days has been rescued in the american state of maryland. wildlife officials tracked the young black bear cub before tranquilising it and removing the bucket. the wildlife and heritage service of the maryland department of natural resources said in a facebook post that a crowd of onlookers at the resort was giddy to see the cub returned to the nearby woods. that's a summary of the latest bbc news, more at 9:30. iam i am pleased for that their cover! thank you for your messages about these notices that hampshire police

are handing out to people they suspect may commit abusive sexual behaviour towards children. phil on twitter says, whether these leaflets can makea twitter says, whether these leaflets can make a difference is an open question, but there are offenders, all those yet to offend, who want help to prevent future offending. the use of warnings with information about organisations such as stop it now uk may provide assistance. jd says they are sending a kind reminded to be careful, what they are doing, or they might get caught. another person says, if the police don't have enough evidence, at least this lets them know that they are watched all being known about, what is wrong with that? it is better than nothing. we will bring you that exclusive film after the sport. 0lly foster is at the sports centre, is alex mcleish going to lose his job as scotland manager? he says he has to be brave and

resilient. we are in the international football break, of course, and it has been a really poor one for scotland. 0nly course, and it has been a really poor one for scotland. only a friendly last night at hampden park, but the fans voting with their feet, havel but the fans voting with their feet, havel, not much of an atmosphere, they lost to portugal 3—1, six defeat in eight games for alex mcleish since he started the job. they were outclassed by portugal, who were resting key players. helder costa, wolves‘ forward, scoring on his debut. much changed portuguese side, they were resting players. no cristiano ronaldo, left out while he fights historic allegations of rape, which he strongly denies. scotland scored late on steven naismith, but that didn't put much gloss on the result. they were beaten in the nations league last week by israel, and he knows they have got to up their game. it was basic errors that we made. that's the disappointing

aspect of it. you expect the top teams that will cut you through with some majestic skill, you know, and leave you trailing, but, you know, we were the perpetrators of our own mistakes. he has been tinkering with formations, victoria, had a couple of injury problems as well, but two more nations league matches in the next international break next month, israel and albania, and he thinks he can win both those and finish top of the group. and a tough match for england in spain, gareth southgate says his players are shattered. he puts it down to a lack of psychological freshness, rather than physical. england drew 0—0 in croatia last week. tonight they are playing spain in seville. spain beat them at wembley last month. a couple of players,

especially captain harry kane, have looked a little bit below par. he insists that he is ok, but southgate has definitely sensed a mentalfatigue, and he has put this down to the premier league starting so soon after the end of the world cup. he joked that perhaps the schedulers hadn't envisaged them getting so far, they obviosuly reached the semis and played in a third—place playoff the day before the final. every other major european league started at least a week after the premier league. i don't understand why our league started so early, but they did, and so a really difficult situation for all the clubs, because some of them couldn't have fielded a team, if you look at tottenham, they had so many players in the semifinals of the world cup, they had to put their players straight into matches on the back of very little pre—season. let's just see if the figures back southgate up. they certainly do. this is how we did this this

morning, looking at the last 15 yea rs morning, looking at the last 15 years 01’ so, morning, looking at the last 15 years orso, and morning, looking at the last 15 years or so, and this summer by far the shortest between a major final, the shortest between a major final, the world cup final in russia, and the world cup final in russia, and the start of the premier league. have a look at this. those figures, when you go back ten oi’ those figures, when you go back ten or 15 years or so, they do back—up gareth southgate's worries and criticism of the premier league schedulers. so yeah, he is worried about that, we will see how they get on against spain this evening. more from 0lly foster throughout the morning. putts talk about the breaking news

from kensington palace, the duchess of sussex is pregnant. jonny dymond is in sydney, where harry and meghan are on theirfirst is in sydney, where harry and meghan are on their first tour of down under. how did the royal family find out? well, the royal family found out? well, the royal family found out just before out? well, the royal family found outjust before we did, senior members of the royal family, that is the queen, the duke of edinburgh, the queen, the duke of edinburgh, the prince of wales, the duke and duchess of cambridge, were informed on friday at princess eugenie's wedding. you may remember that the duke and duchess of sussex, also known as harry and meghan, rather dashed into st george's chapel, we barely saw them as they made their way in, we thought in an attempt to make sure that none of princess eugenie's big day was stolen from them, but maybe so they could have a gossip around the choir with the senior royals. but they were told on friday, and then there was just a day or so to recover, and then the

duke and duchess of sussex flew out here, they arrived a few hours ago, kensington palace made the announcementjust kensington palace made the announcement just under an hour ago. we arejust announcement just under an hour ago. we are just showing pictures of harry and meghan arriving on friday at that wedding, and of course she was wearing a navy overcoat, so at that wedding, and of course she was wearing a navy overcoat, so you certainly wouldn't have suspected a thing. i wonder if she perhaps was not drinking at the wedding and had to tell people. when is the baby due? the baby is due in spring next year, and kensington palace said it was fair to presume that the pregnancy was past the 12 week mark. little else have we been told, apart from the fact that it is just not members of the royal family who have been told, but the duchess‘s mother, doria ragland has been told, and she described the news as lovely, very good news, she said, and is looking

forward to welcoming her first grandchild. it is, of course, going to bea grandchild. it is, of course, going to be a great grandchild for the queen, and there will be smiles no doubt all around amongst various different members of the families. and in terms of being in line to the throne, how far up or down the pecking order will this child come? you have asked a very good question victoria, and it has been so busy in the last a0 or so minutes, i haven't had a chance to do the county at! cleverer heads than mine will be working that out, you may know the a nswer working that out, you may know the answer yourself, who knows? but of course it is this strange thing that happens every time a royal child is born, those below them in the pecking order go one step down. there is a sort of ladder effect as this happens. i'm not quite sure where this new child will land on the royal pecking order, but eve ryo ne the royal pecking order, but everyone below will go one step

down. and in terms of their tour, this just down. and in terms of their tour, thisjust adds a down. and in terms of their tour, this just adds a sort ofjoyous note to it, doesn't it? it does certainly, there was already a fair amount of interest and excitement about the tour, there is a walkabout tomorrow outside the sydney opera house, that stunning building that dominates the skyline here in sydney. that was their first public walkabout, their first public occasion. that was already being rigged, i had a look earlier, already being rigged for pretty large crowds. i think those crowds will be even larger now. every evening news programme here in syd ney evening news programme here in sydney is running this as breaking news, and getting people on to talk about it, straps running across the bottom of their shows. there is a question about the tour, of course, which is about fiji and tonga, the

second and third countries on the tour. generally, pregnant travellers are advised not to go to fiji and tonga because of health risks, kensington palace say that medical advice has been taken and the tour will continue as previously detailed. so clearly any concerns that there might have been about that there might have been about that have been pushed to one side, and the desire of the duke and duchessis and the desire of the duke and duchess is that they should carry on. thank you, jonny, jonny dymond, our royal correspondent down under. welcome to the programme. like you for joining welcome to the programme. like you forjoining us. people suspected of being at risk of committing child sexual abuse are being given leaflets by one police force warning them to change their behaviour. the c5 notices say, "your sexual behaviour has come to the attention of hampshire police." "we believe you may have been involved in abusive sexual behaviour towards children." "we are serving you this notice so you have the opportunity to think about your behaviour and stop it." is this the future of tackling the growing threat of

child sexual exploitation? or as some critics have suggested, a step too far when it comes to people who haven't actually broken any law? 0ne defence laywer has called it lazy policing. 0ne police and crime commissioner has said the leafelts "won't protect a soul". rob powell has this exlusive report. we consider it a great success. we continue to monitor those individuals that notices have been issued to. there is that likelihood that, if they continue to transgress and commit further offences, that they will be caught. this is effectively criminalisation by default without going through the proper mechanisms that have been set out by parliament to ensure that people's due process rights are protected. child abuse seems to be such a growing crime in this country, but, for me, early intervention has to be key. the potential of someone looking

at escalating their abusive behaviour surely means we have to do something positive to try and prevent it. so is this a pioneering new way to stop people who are at risk of abusing children or a waste of police time, as no laws have actually been broken? one in 20 children in the uk have been sexually abused, according to figures from the nspcc. from the viewing of indecent images online to large—scale grooming, recorded crimes have never been higher and the pressure on police never larger. it's all led to a debate about how to tackle this growing threat. we've been given exclusive access to a new scheme aimed at people who come to the attention of police in relation to child sexual exploitation. 0fficers here in hampshire are the first to use programme, which involves issuing paper warning notices to people who display concerning sexual behaviour,

urging them to change how they act and get help. i've issued three now. one was accepted, and the second time i issued it to a female, a lady in her late 20s, and she was horrified, absolutely horrified. she thought she was the victim, so why were the police coming and knocking at the door and telling her we thought she was involved with children? you cannot have 15, 16—year—old boys in your house, for example, because we might get intelligence around that and people might question what you're doing with having them in your flat, for example. and so it was educating her around that and the age of consent, and it's a foot in the door for us as well to go and speak to them and have a look around. and did she realise that what she was doing could lead her into hot water with the police? i think so. i think, once she realised why we were there and what the community were worried about in the first place, to tell us about it,

then yes. and has she come to police attention since then? no, no. so this is the notice that sergeant waghorn and other officers here will give to someone who has shown concerning sexual behaviour. it explains the different types of abuse and has advice about where they can go for help. for sexual conduct, it says sex with anyone under the age of 16 is illegal, don't take advantage of someone because of their age or vulnerability and, for sexual control, it is a criminal offence to try to control someone under 18 using violence, intimidation, persuasion or aggression so that you or someone else can engage in sexual activity with them. hampshire police has handed out 5a of these notices in the last two years. of these, nine people have gone on to be charged with an offence. hampshire police identified the fact that there were behaviours where we were investigating the actions of perpetrators,

unfortunately not able to take formal action in relation to their activities, and recognised there was a gap in managing their behaviour going forwards. is this just a cheaper, easier alternative to arresting and charging someone? no, this comes at the end of an investigation when we've explored all other opportunities to take positive action in relation to the opportunities that the intelligence or the victim or the information that's come to police has presented us with. is this going soft on what is a very serious crime? no, it's about making the best of an opportunity to manage their behaviour going forwards. clearly, if further victims or further intelligence came to light that required robust police action, then that would instigate that action at that point. and bearing in mind that, at that stage, all investigative lines of inquiry have been exhausted and no formal action can be taken. but despite not facing any formal action, c5 warning notices may show up in an enhanced dbs check, the type of background search that is done if you want to work with children. is it fair for this level

of police involvement with someone who hasn't actually committed a crime? i think the public would expect us to use all of the information at our disposal, whether that be within police systems, within partnership systems, within their local communities to consider the risks that individuals present. if there were other investigative options to take, at that point a detective inspector would say, well, maybe i need to apply more resources to this, maybe i need to think about this differently, maybe there is a formal court process that might be more applicable in these circumstances. whether people should be giving people a warning notice when they haven't actually committed a crime is something that this defence lawyer is worried about. the risk is that, in receiving one of these notices and having it on your record, the employer of the future is not going to look behind it, and behind the policy decisions that led to the police issuing this. they are just going to see that you've received a warning notice for child sexual exploitation

and have serious concerns about your suitability for the role that you are applying for. almost two thirds of the notices issued by hampshire police have been to people aged 25 or younger. we want the police to be protecting children and young people, but from the approach taken with these warning notices, it seems that in reality what they are doing is targeting children and young people and issuing them to them in a way that's going to negatively impact theirfuture and not actually protect the public in any further sense. hampshire police says these notices are about engaging with people who can't be charged and would otherwise fall through the cracks in the legal system, but with police chiefs and politicians now trying to grapple with this crime, there are some who want to go further and stop jailing some low—level paedophiles altogether. last year, simon bailey, the most senior child protection police officer in the country, faced criticism after suggesting some paedophiles who are caught

viewing indecent images online should be rehabilitated rather than jailed. my real frustration is so much of this is preventable. appearing before mps in march, he explained his comments and the reaction to them. we need to have a debate, and i was proposing some alternatives because less than a third are getting a custodial sentence. there is no rehabilitation. we need, as law enforcement, to be able to give them the time and space to target those individuals that you can't block and you can't prevent from viewing, because they are so sophisticated, and we take the volume out. some senior politicians also think that rehabilitation can be an option and that there need to be changes to the law so police have the power to act earlier. i think it's great what hampshire are doing but they are having to do it off their own back because there is a gap in the law at the moment and what we need to be doing is making sure that everyone,

regardless of where they are in the country, has the protection, so that the police are able to act when they see someone starting to groom or potentially looking at abusing a child, but also the public need certainty that the police have the responsibilities so, whilst i commend hampshire for what it's doing, we need the government to actually shift on this to protect all children. what do you make of trying to get people into rehabilitation, potential offenders into rehabilitation, to try and change their behaviour before it escalates? i get that, when people hear about child abuse, about paedophiles, there is a very strong gut reaction of hatred and anger, but we have to accept that they are there in our society, and what we need to be doing is looking at ways that we can prevent them actually harming, contacting a child. that means we have to make some unpalatable decisions as a country, and one of those has to be an early support scheme, when people are just thinking about abusing a child, they haven't actually acted on it yet, and the awful thing is,

in this country, to be quite honest, to get state support, you have to abuse a child before we actually intervene and give you that. but how would rehabilitation work? one of the places hampshire police points possible offenders to is the lucy faithfull foundation. based here in surrey, the charity works to help people who have sexually abused a child or people who think that one day they might. the main way people get in touch with the foundation is through a helpline called stop it now, which gets a00 to 500 calls a month from people concerned about their sexual behaviour or the sexual behaviour of someone close to them. from here, people can enrol in group classes to help them cope with their feelings towards children and stop them offending. people who look at sexual images of children are no

different from everyone else in their society, so they think that everyone else who does this must be a monster, and the first learning point that they have when they come to the group is to realise that actually the other people, like them, are normal people but who have made a very irresponsible and harmful decision in one part of their lives. 0ur task is to help them understand that there is a real child and there are real consequences and to remove the scales from their eyes, for want of a better phrase, so they can really understand the seriousness of their behaviour. does it work? well, the programme has been independently evaluated and there's been two academic articles published, and we know from the stop it now helpline that people often tell us about the practical changes that they've made so we are confident that, whilst there is no silver bullet that would work for everyone, that we play a really important part in protecting children from sexual abuse. hampshire is the first force to use this type of warning notice, but a similar scheme was already in place just up the coast in sussex. in 2016, officers here started visiting the homes of people they suspected were viewing child abuse images online and issuing them with warnings. the scheme was abandoned

after one year. the force told us it was a temporary measure which became less necessary as staff numbers increased. my initial reaction was, what are they doing? this is crazy! why aren't they just arresting them? but actually, when you look at it practically, you can't arrest everybody, you just can't. ultimately, i've put a lot of funding in the last two years into our online paedophile investigation team in sussex anyway, so we've been able to recruit more specially trained officers who can tackle this area. personally, ifeel much more content with the fact that we are doing the proper officer bit, but i do understand the reason why they trialled it. both sussex and hampshire police insist their warning notices were about protecting children and not cutting costs. the scheme being used in hampshire is appealing for some. what i am hoping is, with hampshire police issuing these notices, it stops people in their tracks, it makes them realise what they are doing

or what they are potentially thinking about is a crime, and that is the best way to protect children. but how the idea fits into the existing legal system concerns others. the legal mechanisms you would use to challenge them are going to be expensive, very time—consuming and very unlikely to be successful. hampshire is the first force to start handing out these notices. we've been told that one other force is taking steps to bring in this scheme and other regions are interested. of course, this is just one tactic, but it does show that authorities are starting to think differently about how they tackle child sexual abuse. the home office told us, "child sexual exploitation is a terrible crime and should be treated as such." "alongside a tough law enforcement response to bring offenders to justice, it is crucial to prevent offending in the first place in order to better protect potential child victims." "the home office has made £2.6 million of funding available to support the development of preventative schemes to complement existing statutory approaches." and if you have been affected by any

of the issues in this film, you can call our dedicated bbc action line on 0800 077 077. the law. this e—mail you wishes to remain anonymous. my daughter was groomed by another girl and sexually abused by a 23—year—old man. there was no further action even though my daughter was given drugs and alcohol, the other girl would not corroborate my daughter's story she protected the abusers, three men in the house on that particular night, no help from social care, the counselling service has a a—6 month waiting list of the giving of leaflets is pathetic. some more messages. 0ne viewer says i hope

you'll highlight reduction in the numbers of police and resources could have consequences, theresa may thinks laura police numbers don't reduce crime, she should concentrate on this. the police said the scheme has nothing to do with budget cuts. another viewer says why only give these out to potential sex offenders, what about drink—drivers, violent offenders... society needs to stop separating sex crime as worse or deserving more attention than others. and another. hampshire police proving popular already know in 2018 in britain you are guilty until proven innocent. thanks for those, we talk about it more later in the second hour of the programme. if you have pertinent experience get in touch. if you want to take part even anonymously put your phone number in youre—mail. even anonymously put your phone number in your e—mail. hanky. ——

thank you. time for the latest news. here is joanna gosling. kensington palace has announced that the prince harry and his wife meghan are expecting a baby. the child is due in spring 2019. the palace says that their royal highnesses are delighted to share the news. senior members of the royal family were informed at the wedding of princess eugenie on friday. it's the start of a crucial week for brexit negotiations with theresa may set to face her cabinet and european leaders after a day of dramatic, but disappointing negotiations yesterday. the government insists the uk can still make progress in the divorce talks despite serious unresolved issues — including the irish border. sources say there will be no further talks between the uk and eu negotiators before the prime minister attends a summit of eu leaders in brussels on wednesday. fracking for shale gas is expected to begin this morning for the first time since 2011 after a final legal attempt to prevent work starting at the site in lancashire failed on friday, the site has been the scene of repeated protests from environmentalists. fracking involves pumping

liquid at high pressure, deep underground, to fracture rock and release natural gas. a british cyclist has been shot dead by a hunter in the french alps. the 3a—year—old originally from south wales, named locally as marc sutton, was killed by a stray bullet while riding in woodland near montriond, close to the swiss border. more than 20 people have died in hunting accidents in france in the past three years. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now. 0lly foster is back with us. alex mcleish says he will stand up and be brave, determined to turn things around. they lost 3—1 in the friendly to portugal last night, lost away to israel in the nations league last week, six defeats out of date. england in seville at the moment for the nations league match against spain, gareth southgate says his players are liking psychological

freshness because of the early start of the premier league. in front of eddiejones in of the premier league. in front of eddie jones in his of the premier league. in front of eddiejones in his —— danny cipriani has put his hand up for another start a kicking 1a points. jones names his squad for the autumn series later this week. eddie pepperbell battled the elements to win the british masters in surrey, that when will almost certainly earn him a debut spot at the masters at augusta next year. i'll be back with all the sport after 10am. 0llie, thank you. good morning. in what's thought to be the first case of its kind, a woman who's won £80,000 in damages from a man who had been cleared in a criminal court of raping her, says she feels ‘overwhelmed' and ‘huge relief‘ after a five year legal battle. miss m, who wants to remain anonymous, was assaulted after a fresher‘s week night out at st andrews university. stephen coxen, who was 18

at the time, denied the charges and a jury in scotland found the rape case against him not proven — a verdict which means there is insufficient evidence to establish guilt. but miss m made the decision to take him to a civil court where the burden of proof is lower and judgments are made on the balance of probabilities rather than beyond reasonable doubt. a sheriff ruled stephen coxon did rape her and demanded he pay damages. in herfirst live interview we can speak to miss m; and alongside her is sandy brindley, the chief executive of rape crisis scotland. thank you for talking to us. it has taken new five years to get to this point, tell us your reaction. such a long journey, i will never forget

the day i heard from my solicitor that i was successful and i had been, yes, was successful in the case i had spent such a long time in proceeding and a long fight to get to the point to even taken to trial. and how would you describe your emotions. i think for me, i thinki was just, wasn't anything emotions. i think for me, i thinki wasjust, wasn't anything really apart from being shocked, i think. i'd convinced myself i had to convince myself, being let down so many ways along the journey that i wasn't sure even if i was, yes, i think for me it was a huge shock and i was think for me it was a huge shock and iwasa think for me it was a huge shock and i was a bit speechless, to be honest. in what way had you felt you had been let down by the criminal process which had gone before?” think for me, i was never involved in criminaljustice it was going through the civil process and

actually being involved and working with my solicitor and the person representing me that actually i realised how much i'd sort not been involved in the criminal process. i think there was witnesses, eight witnesses in the criminal process that... sound macro —— loss of sound. the surgeon that i had played an important part and the evidence of the surgeon wasn't explained or used in the first trial and there we re used in the first trial and there were three important information from both the psychologist and a psychiatrist that the sheriff has said was very important in his judgment that i have post—traumatic stress disorder and that is from a life—threatening incident. and i

think that was also, wasn't covered in the first criminal process. the surgeon in the first criminal process. the surgeon was relevant because she had an injury to your talent but that expert witness was never brought. before the jury expert witness was never brought. before thejury in expert witness was never brought. before the jury in scotland. —— tongue. the surgeon confirmed the small lesion on the side of my tongue was from a trauma and the sheriff, knowing and reading through thejudgment, the sheriff, knowing and reading through the judgment, the sheriff said i was a credible with this and he took my account of how i got that, he took at also as part of his judgment that he wrote up. so for me, it was, for a civil case, civil action, a lower burden of proof but why didn't you have expert witnesses, why do we have expert witnesses, why do we have more expert witnesses and evidence than we did at a trial, the criminal trial, for the burden of proof is different and it's very

difficult to even get to that stage? why do you think? honestly, my own opinion is that i was let down in the criminal justice opinion is that i was let down in the criminaljustice process, i think my case wasn't investigated as well as it could have been and i think it's shocking that someone, me, that's been through the case has lived every moment of the moment of the incident, was not involved in any decisions, any input of witnesses, or anything and i think for me, ijust witnesses, or anything and i think for me, i just felt so witnesses, or anything and i think for me, ijust felt so let down by that, yet, the disgrace of the criminal justice that, yet, the disgrace of the criminaljustice process and how the actions of the crown representing my case and they think they failed in that. hopefully they will look into other cases in the future and other women won't have to go through the fight that i have had to go through. 0utstanding criticism from you, a disgrace, you felt let down. —— that

is damning criticism. it was freshers week at st andrew's university, someone was having a house party, lots of drink consumed totally normally and you have pockets of memory of that night. and you remember being at your property, trying to get your keys out after a good night and there was someone alongside you. talk to us about that. yes, i think, you know, the memory before that was very patchy, the memories, there is only certain points i remember and i think being outside my front door was when i first became alarmed, i think for me, perhaps trying to think of reasons why i would remember certain memories, that was the first point i became alarmed, noticing and realising and being quite shocked that the person i was with, i did not actually know and you mentioned just then there was a house party and the person that was hosting the

party was a scottish student and i think suddenly realising that this person i was with was not this friend, he didn't have a scottish accent, he had an english accent, and panicking to begin with but i don't know who this person is. you we re don't know who this person is. you were desperately ringing the door bell to wake up your housemates, that did not happen, you dropped your keys, this man picked up the keys and let himself in. he moved my hand out of the way, took i keys, let himself in and yes, i think that was, i tried frantically to ring the buzzer to get my flatmates to come to the door and i knew the keys were in my handbag and i didn't want to get them out but that person became, you know, frustrated and you know, that's when i was alarmed to begin with but even then, just continued the panic, i suppose. how long was it before you reported the rape to

the police? i reported the incident injanuary the police? i reported the incident in january 201a. that was about four — five months after it actually happened. what had that period of time in between been like for you what impact was this happening on you? i think to begin with i wanted to convince myself it had not happened but after moving out of my bedroom for the attack took place into the living room and then moving out of the property, even practically, practical things like that, went helping. and i realised that, went helping. and i realised that after some time i was hoping that after some time i was hoping that time would heal but it was and i think that's when i realised that you know, not everyone has this response but i had a response of, if it's not going away, i need to talk

to someone about it, i couldn't go on with the faults of his having and the distress was having, i needed to speak to someone. sandy, ifi could bring you in, first of all, how do you react to the fact that the civil case came out with a different verdict concurred to the criminal case? as you said it's a different burden of proof we are looking at but i think there are significant factors as well. what has been described with the criminal case is the periphery of the case and i think part of that comes from being a witness to a crime committed against you, you don't have any standing in the case. in a civil case because she was sent off and hit her lawyers, i think that's why it was a better experience but also it was a better experience but also it made for a better evidence because she was one that you the incident the best and she was able to inform her legal team about. i also think one of the particular

difficulties we have in scotland withjustice responses difficulties we have in scotland with justice responses to difficulties we have in scotland withjustice responses to rape with a not proven verdict would you don't have the rest of the uk owners used commonly in rape trials and they think there is a worry that juries might be reluctant to convicted these cases and this verdict gives them an easy out. are you, for that to be scrapped ? them an easy out. are you, for that to be scrapped? i think there is a numberof to be scrapped? i think there is a number of issues with legal responses to rape across the uk but there are particular issues in scotland, whether it was not proven, i think it should go. 0k. are there any other campaigners who agree with you, could that get traction, that kind of campaign? the scottish government has started some research into jury decision—making in government has started some research intojury decision—making in rape trials, i know one of the things they are considering is the not prevent verdict, juries don't understand what that aims, i... just explain what that means to our audience. guilty, not guilty, case not proven. three verdict in

scotland, one of them is not proven, it has the exact same impact as a not guilty verdict, it is an acquittal, no consequences for the accused from a not proven verdict that means that hasn't been enough evidence to find guilty but also they haven't been able to go for a not guilty verdict. it's somewhere in between but it's absolutely an acquittal for the accused and distrust as devastating as the young lady has said. what is this case mean for other women who do not get the justice they feel they deserve from the criminal case.” the justice they feel they deserve from the criminal case. i think what we know unfortunately is there are many women who feel very let down at the criminaljustice process. there isa very the criminaljustice process. there is a very few proportion of reported rapes that ever get to court, in my experience coming to terms with a lack ofjustice can be one of the most difficult wings to cope with andl most difficult wings to cope with and i think this lady has been incredibly brave in fighting for

justice for five years, going through two trials, which is really an ordeal, i think not want should have to go through that but what this case stars issued to other women and men there is another option out there, although it is a civil damages option, no one is ever looking for money, what they are looking for money, what they are looking for money, what they are looking for is validation that what happened to you was harmful and wasn't your fault. finally, having gone through two cases and five yea rs of gone through two cases and five years of your life, how do you view your future now? i think my future now is not, it doesn't have casework to be doing and doesn't have different parts of a case to be worried about now. i think for me, it's like my life is starting again now. and i think, you know, people refer to someone that has been raped asa refer to someone that has been raped as a victim and i think i was a bit but now i'm a survivor and i think

bernie, it's about moving on and i'm never going to stop fighting for other women and i think throughout this 0prah says, is highlighted to me that you know, i can and i will continue to try and help other people that have been, you know, wrongly subjected to thanking like stephen cox and did to me and i think it's important that i keep continuing with my life and try and turn something terribly negative into something positive and that's helping about women, even one to having a better experience than i did through the criminal process, then that's with that. —— coxon. thank you so much for talking to is and sandy, thank you. the irish border issue is still to be resolved, just two days before a crucial

brexit summit. downing street says there's still time for a deal to be reached — even after brexit secretary dominc raab's surprise talks with eu chief negoitator michel barnier broke down yesterday after just an hour. this morning, labour's brexit man, kier starmer, told me the government need to publish its plan for the so—called the first thing the prime minister needs to do is publish the proposals here arguing about, parliament will be asked to vote on this, we don't know what the heart of the dispute is. we know the basics, don't we, until a trade agreement is thrashed out. that's the objective, it's what's gone wrong with reaching that object that we need to know but in the longer term the prime minister needs to accept the customs union with the eu is the only way of delivering on the commitment we won't have a hard border in northern ireland, if she did that it would break the impact. you say in your letter to dominic bradley brexit secretary that no deal is worse than a bad deal. —— dominic bradley. no deal is effectively what labour is

pushing. a logical result of that is in no deal scenario. the tests were taken from the prime minister and her cabinet, it's what she said she would achieve when she set off, when she signed the article 50 letter she said this is what i'm going to achieve and we turn that into tests to hold her to it and she said she was determined to meet it. she may have gone hopelessly wrong on the journey but it doesn't mean we remove the tests. we've never accept the proposition that we would support whatever the prime minister cobbles together all we get no deal, a choice between bad and really bad. you may have to accept that because when mrs may comes back from brussels for 30 and she will bring it like this, vote for this deal in the national interest or there is no deal which brings all the economic pain and destruction that we've been led to expect. of course you frame it like that because she wants people to back her deal, that's a

political choice, it is not have to be that way, she's chosen that every step to push parliament away, she could say let's have parliament by end across the house of commons, let's put some of this to a vote. we are for we let's put some of this to a vote. we are forwe are, let's put some of this to a vote. we are for we are, it's going to be bad deal or no deal. i don't accept that proposition. the majority in parliament do not accept that no deal is the consequence of voting against a bad deal. parliament will have to do something about it. what is the consequence of voting against what she brings? under legislation we have passed if the deal fails because she doesn't vote through a she doesn't get a deal the prime minister must make a statement to parliament telling what she will do and there has to be a vote on a motion to decide whether we agree. we've already built—in and mechanisms of parliament can actually say you're not going off the cliff just because actually say you're not going off the cliffjust because she brought back a bad deal. it is not ready if you're proposition to say to parliament you got to vote but your vote is either my deal or something much worse, that's hardly a

meaningful vote. caroline much worse, that's hardly a meaningfulvote. caroline flint a labour colleague said the question for my labour colleagues is why wouldn't you support a d, why would you stand alongside horacejohnson and jacob rees mogg who want us to crash out, that doesn't serve our country's interests or labour interests ? country's interests or labour interests? i understand caroline's concerns and that's why we say there are conditions for support for a d, that's what we said at the beginning of the exercise. we will have to judge it against conditions when she comes back. is she wrong? at the moment we don't know what the deal looks like and the idea the labour party should be told you vote for it, what may is not acceptable. you would be challenging me hard if i said our policy is whatever she brings back we will support it even if it doesn't serve the country, you'd be saying what are you talking about? you should only supported if it's the right deal and that's right. sir keir starmer, labour's shadow brexit secretary. for more that use this morning that

the duchess of sussex is a baby. let's talk to a couple of my guests now. claudia joseph, you said you suspected. i thought she was dressed very sedately this weekend, lots of conjecture on twitter why she is so buttoned up, is she pregnant? and we discovered now she was. katie, had you guessed? i had an idea, i had a friend who is out in amsterdam, and my first question was was she drinking? and the source said no, she wasn't, i agree with claudia, as elegant as sheila at the wedding at was quite a loose fitted coat, the only the other week she was wearing a really tight fitting leather skirt

so a really tight fitting leather skirt sol a really tight fitting leather skirt so i think she has done is, clearly the palace so with all of the scrutiny on her in a couple of weeks coming up on the australia tour it would be impossible to hide something like that, i think that done the right thing, they've waited until after the royal wedding, what a way to touch down in sydney and a couple of hours later you make the announcement that everyone hoped was going to be made. it's going to make the tour hugely bigger than it already was. claudia, do you agree, it addsjoy to already was. claudia, do you agree, it adds joy to this? absolutely, people will be out in force to sue them, crowds will be thrilled, when william and kate went on tour to australia people were giving them gifts... are you all right? do we need to get somewhat. it's the one day we have an empty cup. just one of those things. anyway, it's obviously the excitement, that's what's doing it. i suppose we shouldn't be too surprised, katie,

they got married in may, he is 3a, she's 37, it's kind of what you do next, isn't it? harry has made no secret of the fact he wants to start a family, he's incredible with children, i've been following him on engagement, then as a child or baby involved it's like a magnet, harry is strong to them and i think he wa nted is strong to them and i think he wanted to be a dad for a very long time, he's been remarkably candid about his private life, his struggles to find the right one, he's clearly found this one in meghan, ithink he's clearly found this one in meghan, i think they didn't want to waste time, as you say she's 37, i think it's wonderfulfor waste time, as you say she's 37, i think it's wonderful for them. it's an ambition to be involved on this tour when she is 12 weeks pregnant, 76 engagements over two weeks. i've done many royal tours, my baby was too little to leave behind on this one, they are gruelling and i've asked the palace if they are

travelling with a doctor. i don't think the doctor is officially part of the entourage that they've told me there is access to medical assistance if and when the duchess needs it. obviously she's not going to be taking any risks but it's a busy tour and i hope she takes it easy, she wants to make a great impression but actually nothing is more important than the little like she is growing, we wish her the best on this tour and for a healthy and happy pregnancy. thank you both very much. we have got some drier weather in the forecast over the next few days, after what was a very wet weekend across south wales in particular, rain around this morning will tend to ease away, some sunshine developing across scotland, northern ireland, northern and western areas of england, and the west wales getting some sunshine. also down to the south—east of england, but a

zone of cloudy weather, some rain this morning, mainly confined to lincolnshire, southern parts of yorkshire later on, maximum temperatures generally up to 12—15d, warmer than that in the south—east, up warmer than that in the south—east, up to 17—18 here. lots of cloud remaining, mistand up to 17—18 here. lots of cloud remaining, mist and murk into the early hours of tuesday, temperatures generally in double figures, but single figures for scotland and northern ireland, with clear spells. the mist and fog and cloud in england and wales will gradually lift away to give sunny spells, quite warm in the south—east, 22 celsius, but for scotland and northern ireland a band of rain pushing through as the day goes on. hello, it's monday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. our exclusive story today, hampshire police become the first force in the uk to hand out leaflets to suspected child sex offenders warning them to change their behaviour. it is done without the intervention

of the court, it is very much better to go to the court and get a sexual risk order. hampshire police say the notices are only handed once an investigation is done but there's not enough evidence to charge. 0ne police and crime commissioner tells us the leaflets "won't protect a soul". also, the duchess of sussex is pregnant. meghan and harry's baby is due in spring next year. downing street says the uk can make progress in the brexit negotiations, but with crucial talks only two days away, the labour party says the government has got to be clearer. the first thing the prime minister needs to do is publish the proposals they are arguing about, parliament will be asked to boot on this in due course, and we don't even know what the heart of the dispute is. good morning, it's ten o'clock.

here'sjoanna is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the day's news. kensington palace has announced that the prince harry and his wife meghan are expecting a baby. the child is due in spring 2019. the palace says that their royal highnesses are delighted to share the news. senior members of the royal family were informed at the wedding of princess eugenie on friday. 0ur royal correspondentjonny dymond sent this update from sydney where the couple had arrived ahead of their tour of australia. excuse me, excuse me. it's the start of a crucial week for brexit negotiations with theresa may set to face her cabinet and european leaders after a day of dramatic, but disappointing negotiations yesterday. the government insists the uk can still make progress in the divorce talks despite serious unresolved issues, including the irish border. sources say there will be no further talks between the uk and eu negotiators before the prime minister attends a summit of eu leaders in brussels on wednesday. hampshire police have given out more than 50 notices, warning people not to commit

sex offences involving children. this programme has exclusively revealed that the force is handing out leaflets when it does not have enough evidence to charge a person. defence lawyers have accused the force of "lazy policing". labour mp sarah champion, co—chair of the all party parliamentary group on preventing sexual violence, said she was in favour of the initiative. child abuse seems to be such a growing crime in this country, but for me early intervention has to be key. the potential of someone looking at escalating their abusive behaviour, surely that means we have to do something positive to try and prevent it. fracking for shale gas is expected to begin this morning for the first time since 2011 after a final legal attempt to prevent work starting at the site in lancashire failed on friday, the site has been the scene of repeated protests from environmentalists. fracking involves pumping liquid at high pressure deep underground to fracture rock and release natural gas. sorry i splattered my way through

that, back to victoria. we don't mind! thank you for your messages to do with our top story today that we're bringing you, these notices that are being given out to people suspected of potentially committing child sexual abuse by hampshire police, when they have done an investigation and yet there is not enough evidence to prosecute. 0ne and yet there is not enough evidence to prosecute. one person says, any form of constructive early intervention to save years of trauma and damage to children should be welcome. 0n e—mail, this viewer says welcome. 0n e—mail, this viewer says we would be outraged if an individual were prosecuted for speeding if no signs were present to indicate the legal limit, householders are offered advice on how to make their homes less vulnerable to burglars, it makes sense to advise potential offenders of where the law stands and offer help in avoiding further police

action. keep those coming in, particularly if you pertinent experience. scotland manager alex mcleish says he will stand up and be brave and has the determination to turn things around. they have now lost six in eight games under him after defeat in israel in the nations league last week. mcleish put out a much changed side against portugal for theirfriendly at a half—empty hampden park. the european champions were resting players but were far too strong, the scots losing 3—1. they face albania and israel next month, and mcleish knows where they have to improve. it was basic errors that we made. that's the disappointing aspect of it. you expect the top teams that will cut you through with some majestic skill, you know, and leave you trailing, england manager gareth southgate

says his players are lacking a psychological freshness because they've had so little rest after the world cup. they are in seville for tonight's nations league match against spain after last week's draw against croatia. southgate's team made it through to the final weekend in russia beacsue they were involved in the third place play—off and the premier league started less than four weeks later. i don't understand why our league started so early, but they did, and so a really difficult situation for all the clubs, because some of them couldn't have fielded a team, if you look at tottenham, they had so many players in the semifinals of the world cup, they had to put their players straight into matches on the back of very little pre—season. arsenal produced the stand—out result in the women's super league. they are still top after thrashing

the champions chelsea 5—0. england'sjordan nobbs scored twice, although this might not have been deliberate. arsenal have won all four of their league games so far and have a goal difference of plus 18. that was chelsea's first league defeat at home in over two years. eddiejones names his england squad for the rugby union autumn internationals later this week, and after dropping him for the last training camp, he was watching danny cipriani inspre gloucester to their champions cup victory over french champions castres. he kicked 1a points in the 19—1a win and had a hand in callum braley‘s try. jones has stated that 0wen farrell and george ford are ahead of cipriani in the fly—half pecking order. eddie pepperell thanked his mother for helping him to victory at the british masters in surrey. the weather was dreadful at walton heath in surrey, but mum marian

gave him some mittens, and at the very next hole, he secured an eagle. pepperell will now break into the world's top 35 for the first time. that's all the sport for now. this tweet says, when you are grateful for a role pregnancy announcement because it beats 2a hours discussing the backstop to the backstop hours discussing the backstop to the ba cksto p to hours discussing the backstop to the backstop to the backstop on brexit. david says, please let the royal baby be born on the 29th of march, please, the day that britain leaves the european union. let's get more on the news that meghan and harry are expecting their first child, nicholas witchell is here. yes, a bit of light relief, happy news, born on the 29th of march, that would be eyed dilemma for the news editors! but the royal family are delighted, eighth great grandchild

for the queen, no constitutional significance, because after all harry is now sixth in line to the throne, this child, boy or girl, would be seventh in line. it is unlikely that the child will have a title, because as a great grandchild of the monarch, he was she is not entitled to a title. they had to make a special exception in the case of william's children, because he will be monarch, so george needs to bea will be monarch, so george needs to be a prince, so they had to pass something called letters patents, but i think given the move towards a smaller royal family, i think it is unlikely, though not inconceivable, that in the cases of harry's children, they will be playing mist or misses, or perhaps a minor courtesy title, but not a prince or princess. in terms of the fact that they are now on this royalty df, australia, fiji, tonga and new zealand, we understand she is over the 12 week scan point, but still

reasonably tough. they are quite ha rd reasonably tough. they are quite hard work, as i think katie nicholl was saying, you have three or four engagements a day, you know, one is a lwa ys engagements a day, you know, one is always conscious that measuring this against thejobs always conscious that measuring this against the jobs that people do, do you classify this as hard work? but it can be quite stressful, it will be her first it can be quite stressful, it will be herfirst tour, she it can be quite stressful, it will be her first tour, she will want to make a good impression. the fact that she has done a 22 hour flight, in first class of course, but it would have been inconceivable, for kate to have done this after she suffered acute pregnancy sickness. clearly, meghan has had none of those problems, and she has undertakenjust those problems, and she has undertaken just about the longest flight undertaken just about the longest flight that you can do, and the biggest royal tour this year, taking infour biggest royal tour this year, taking in four different destinations, an important tour, and the fact that they are going ahead with it, one must assume that, medically, they are completely assured that she is up are completely assured that she is up to it, that it is at a

sufficiently early stage in the pregnancy, they have issued everything as well, that she will be able to cope with it. thank you very much, nick, thank you. the irish border issue is still to be resolved, just two days before a crucial brexit summit. downing street says there's still time for a deal to be reached, even after brexit secretary dominic raab's surprise talks with eu chief negoitator michel barnier broke down yesterday after just an hour. a few minutes ago, we brought you our interview with labour's brexit man, kier starmer, who's calling for the government to publish its plan for the so—called backstop. so let's look at exactly what the backstop is. when it comes to brexit, you've probably been hearing a lot about the so—called irish backstop. so what is it? after brexit, the border between northern ireland and ireland will become the border between the uk and the eu. the eu wants to ensure that border between the two remains open, invisible, like it is now, even if the uk leaves the eu without a deal. so think of the backstop as like an insurance policy

or a safety net in the event of no deal. the fact that there are no border checks between northern ireland and the republic of ireland is a key part of maintaining the peace agreements that brought an end to the troubles, but if the uk left the eu without a deal, having no border checks would mean northern ireland effectively remains part of the eu, while england, scotland and wales leave the european union. the prime minister has said that would break up the uk and "we'll never allow that". what theresa may wants is for the uk to remain in the customs union for a period, which would mean no hard border, but the eu won't allow that, because membership of the customs union is only possible if you also agree to the free movement of capital, services and people. this deadlock isn't the only problem. the dup, who help prop up theresa may's minority government, say they will not support

a hard border between northern ireland and the republic, although they did vote for brexit. jacob rees—mogg and borisjohnson say that the problem is simply being blown out of proportion and that technology is the solution to avoiding the hard border. if britain and the eu fail to agree the terms of this backstop safety net, then the uk will potentially leave the eu without an agreement, putting northern ireland in limbo and potentially causing chaos. that is why you're going to be hearing a lot about the irish backstop. let's speak now to mark francois, who's a conservative mp and member of the group of tory mps who are very pro—brexit, the european research group. in belfast is sammy wilson who's a dup mp, a crucial party in the negotiaitons because of their desire not to see anything threaten northern ireland's union with great britain. mark francois, what do you want the cabinet to do this week?

i think we want the cabinet to insist that the situation is properly debated within cabinet, a nyway properly debated within cabinet, anyway it has not been before. if i can explain, in the run up to chequers, david davis had spent the best pa rt chequers, david davis had spent the best part of two years preparing a white paper on leaving, based on a comprehensive free trade agreement which everyone now refers to as super canada. but at the last minutes, before the cabinet met, the white paper was dropped, and instead another was substituted, written by 0llie robbins, a pro—eu civil servants, and that is the only thing that the cabinet were allowed to discuss a cheque is... -- at chequers... the cabinet must demand an opportunity to discuss both options, both chequers and super

canada... and if mrs may says it is an ideal or nothing?” canada... and if mrs may says it is an ideal or nothing? i don't think she could get that deal through parliament. so what would you want the cabinet to do? the cabinet have to stand up to the prime minister. in practical terms? they have to ask extremely tough questions about chequers, the fact that it would bind us to eu law for the foreseeable future... just as questions? they need to push the prime minister, and they need to say they will not accept chequers because it betrays the spirit of the referendum that 17.a million people voted for. now is the time for members of the cabinet to put their country before their own careers and their ministerial cars and their red boxes. does that mean resigning? that is a decision for cabinet ministers. you said put country before careers, that is what you mean, resign, stand up for what you

believe in. the constitutional position is well known, if a member of the cabinet cannot agree with the policy being advocated by the prime minister, then they resign and... how many resignations are you expecting this week? all i am saying is if you read the weekend press, they are suggesting that at least three, maybe four, even more members of the cabinet are deeply unhappy. look, the way the cabinet have been treated, if i can use an old army expression, i was a soldier many yea rs expression, i was a soldier many years ago, they have been treated like mushrooms — kept completely in the dark and fed a diet of bse. and it is now time for them to stand up and be counted and say to the prime minister, we will no longer be treated like this. let me bring in sammy wilson, a dup mp, i know you are atan sammy wilson, a dup mp, i know you are at an airport, we are grateful. what do you think of what this conservative mp has just said, that the cabinet have to stand up, put

their country before their careers, potentially resign if mrs may doesn't budge? i think that first of all mrs may has got an opportunity to tell the eu that their demands for a backstop are totally unnecessary. i listened to your package about why this is essential, and why it is important to have northern ireland treated differently than the rest of the united kingdom. this is a con trick by the eu, an attempt to try and force the government into a particular negotiating position. so she needs to call their bluff? she does, and it is not very difficult to call their bluff, because this argument that somehow or other, if you don't have the arrangements are keeping northern ireland within the customs union and the single market, that the ability to collect customs duties, for example, would not be available to the eu, that is patents nonsense. every day, lloris cross

the irish border at present. they have to pay excise duty, they have to pay differences in vat, and all of that is paid without one vehicle being stopped, without it being necessary to stop vehicles to search what is on them. sorry to interrupt, but if it really is that simple, and you say this is happening already and could continue in the future, why isn't mrs may saying to the eu, don't be ridiculous, we don't need this backstop? we don't understand why she didn't say that, she should have said that last december, when the idea of the backstop was introduced. we told her at that stage, look, there are different vat rates between northern ireland and the republic, different excise rates, they are paid every day by companies which trade across the border, and there is no reason why this couldn't be done after we leave the eu. and i mean, let's remember,

this is all designed because the eu wa nted this is all designed because the eu wanted to find a way of continuing to tie the united kingdom into the single market and customs arrangements, in other words to thwart brexit. and that threat from the all—party to votes down the budget, for example, despite mrs may agreeing to give you £1 billion to support in those really important votes, does that still stand? well, the agreement, of course, with the conservative party was that we would support them in crucial votes in the house of commons, provided they delivered on brexit and delivered on brexit for the whole of the united kingdom, as well as the united kingdom. if the part of the wagner they stuck with us, delivering on brexit, ensuring that it is

delivered... we have not broken ibarguen, the conservative party will have broken the bargain. but the thing is, we won't have the brexit deal before the budget, the budget comes first. if that is the case, we will have nothing to judge the deal against, but we took that as an example of one crucial votes, there are plenty of other crucial vote in the house of commons, and really the message was, don't expect to depend on us in crucial votes if you break the bargain that you have with us and break up the united kingdom. a final thought from you, mark francois, if mrs may does not budge and andrea leadsom resigns from the cabinet, esther mcvey resigns, that really wouldn't finish off mrs may, would it?” resigns, that really wouldn't finish off mrs may, would it? i think the problem is that number ten, at the moment, are in bunker mode. i spoke to some number ten staffers that i have known for years at the party conference and said, please

understand that the frustration on the backbenches is really growing, they are really worried about this. you have been saying that for months, you never do anything! but the problem is they are just not listening to us. you don't need to, you threaten but nothing happens. we have seen two cabinet members resign, it does not change the position and chequers.” resign, it does not change the position and chequers. i have not come on your programme and threatened anything. we have been trying until we're blue in the face to persuade the prime minister to switch to a super canada deal and to use modern technology... hang on a second, sorry, in order to avoid the irish backstop. sammy is right, the whole irish backstop issue is something which has been dreamt up by the eu to try and keep us in the european union, and ollie robbins has managed to persuade the prime minister to fall for it. resignations have happened, she hasn't changed — what would it take for mrs may to change your plan? i

think it would take for her to listen to her own backbenchers and members of the cabinet who are very unhappy, and i think our genuine plea, and i use the word deliberately, please, prime minister, change course and pivot to super canada before this all ends in tea rs. super canada before this all ends in tears. and no more bs - what does ending in tears means? an u nfortu nate ending in tears means? an unfortunate outcome. meaning what? she doesn't get it through. which is the end of her? i didn't say that, but whatever happens in cabinet, and i think cabinet are becoming more anxious about chequers, not least because of the way they are balanced with it in the first place, but whatever happens, she will not get it through the house of commons. it just won't happen, because too many mps are determined to honour the spirit of the referendum, which chequers does not. thank you very much, thank you for coming on the programme, sammy wilson as well, we appreciated. mark francois,

conservative mp and vice—chair of the european research group, very pro—brexit, and sammy wilson, dup mp. coming up... plans to stop house buyers being exploited by ripoff leases are delayed — a year after a government promise to legislate against them. let's talk more now about our exclusive story this morning. it's leaflets which are being given out by hampshire police to people suspected of committing child sexual abuse. the c5 notices say, "your sexual behaviour has come to the attention of hampshire police." "we believe you may have been involved in abusive sexual behaviour towards children." "we are serving you this notice so you have the opportunity to think about your behaviour and stop it." is this the future of tackling the growing threat of child sexual exploitation? or as some critics have suggested, a step too far when it comes to people who haven't actually broken any law? we brought you rob powell's exclusive report earlier. here's an extract. child sexual exploitation, a growing and changing challenge for police forces. we've been given exclusive

access to a new scheme being used in hampshire, where officers issue paper warning notices to people who display concerning sexual behaviour, urging them to change how they act and get help. i've issued three now. one was accepted, and the second time i issued it to a female, a lady in her late 20s, and she was horrified, absolutely horrified. you cannot have 15, 16—year—old boys in your house, for example, because we might get intelligence around that and people might question what you're doing. and did she realise that what she was doing could lead her into hot water with the police? i think so. i think, once she realised why we were there and what the community were worried about in the first place, to tell us about it, then yes. so this is the note is that sergeant waghorn and other officers here will give to someone who has shown concerning sexual behaviour. it explains the different types of abuse and has advice about where they can go for help. for sexual conduct, it says

sex with anyone under the age of 16 is illegal, don't take advantage of someone because of their age or vulnerability and, for sexual control, it is a criminal offence to try to control someone under 18 using violence, intimidation, persuasion or aggression so that you or someone else can engage in sexual activity with them. hampshire police has handed out 5a of these notices in the last two years. of these, nine people have gone on to be charged with an offence. is this going soft on what is a very serious crime? no, it's about making the best of our opportunity to manage their behaviour going forwards. clearly, if further victims or further intelligence came to light that required robust police action, then that would instigate that action at that point. and bearing in mind that, at that stage, all investigative lines of inquiry have been exhausted and no formal action can be taken. but whether the police should be giving people warning notices

at all when they haven't actually committed a crime is something that this defence lawyer is worried about. the risk is that, in receiving one of these notices and having it on your record, the employer of the future is not going to look behind it, behind the policy decisions that led to the police issuing this. they are just going to see that you've received a warning notice for child sexual exploitation and have serious concerns about your suitability. is it fair for this level of police involvement with someone who hasn't actually committed a crime? i think the public would expect us to use all of the information at our disposal, whether that be within police systems, within partnership systems, within their local communities to consider the risks that individuals present. we are reassured by the fact that, through that supportive police engagement, that management of the risk they present, that actually we are not seeing those people coming back across our threshold. earlier i spoke to sandra paul

from the firm kingsley napley. sandra is a criminal defence lawyer specialising in sexual misconduct. police and crime commissioner for northumbria dame vera baird — who is the lead police and crime commissioner for child sexual exploitation. and dr graham hill — a retired senior police officer who designed the c5 warning notice that hampshire are using. they do an investigation and the investigation runs its course, a senior officer has to make a determination what to do with that particular investigation and that's when they will decide to use this form. they are innocent, in other words? no, what it means is there is an allegation in made, the allegation has some of that is not

enough to proceed to a criminal prosecution. there's not enough evidence to proceed they are innocent. not necessarily, the allegation has been made and sometimes these allegations have merits but they don't get to court because the victim doesn't want to proceed to prosecution, there's lots of technical issues, sometimes the cps don't want to take at court, the idea is that rather than just while the case is undetected for the officers are asked to do is visit the person, speak to them about their conduct, ask them to look at their conduct, ask them to look at the law which form points out and ask them to consider adjusting their behaviour under those five areas. what do you think, sandra?” behaviour under those five areas. what do you think, sandra? i think this option fundamentally misses a step which is built into the legislation. there are sexual risk orders available, they are made once a person has committed a sexual act which it is deemed to cause potentially a risk of harm in the

future. a public protection tool is already available, all the police need to have this reasonable cause to believe that there may be harmed in the future, it's a civil order, it's supervised by the court, at la st it's supervised by the court, at last for a it's supervised by the court, at last fora minimum it's supervised by the court, at last for a minimum of two years and provides all the support and assessment you would expect, most importantly there is some oversight, judicial oversight, regarding the assessment made concerning the prison's behaviour. is this? absolutely none, no specificity regarding fodder is alleged, no opportunity to seek legal advice, to contest the information on which the order, the notice is based. how do you respond? order, the notice is based. how do you respond ? it's order, the notice is based. how do you respond? it's not completely correct, the id is an investigation has been done by police, they have their early looked into the allegation, if they had nowhere else to go with the allegation the only course of action is to file a crime is undetected. the crime is still file is undetected but what they say is we have spoken to the person who is we have spoken to the person who is the subject of the allegation and

we have given them advice about their conduct and ultimately, if that person then commits an offence, that person then commits an offence, that can be used at a later date, if the person never comes to notice again then it never, ever gets used, it sits on the record in the police station. let me bring in northumbria police and crime commissioner vera heard. what do you think? lady who spoke says the right thing, the first obligation on police in a situation they can go further with a case is see what risk there is from this individual. they must says that because there may be a risk to children and that there is, if they have any evidence that this person has done a sexual act of any kind, doesn't have to be an offence, half an offence, it is something that can show wider streets there is a risk from the person. they can get a sexual risk order and they can make very clear you mustn't go near that school, you mustn't go here, or do that or that, it's a criminal

offe nce that or that, it's a criminal offence if it's broken and that is a real way of dealing with this. the difficulty about notices, and nobody can criticise anyone for innovating or trying to innovate, the difficulty about notices are it's difficulty about notices are it's difficult for the individual to do with that occurs, frankly, if you came to me and said your sexual behaviour is causing us concern, we think you may have been involved with assaulting children, this is a list of the things you will be prosecuted for if you carry on doing what you're doing, i'd show them the door but some relatively honourable person may agree to sign it and what other consequences of signing this, think it's quite worrying, the each mic, the inspectorate of constabulary says this kind of notice because there was something called the police information notice which was a similar but in regard to harassment, these have been used in a multiplicity of ways which are not wise to use. there is a huge

financial pressure on policing and although your speaker here makes it sound as if it would only be the absolute last resort, analysis, when nothing else could be done, firstly there are a lot of other things to do in the meantime and secondly, with a larger financial pressure on someone with a larger financial pressure on someone how long doesn't get before this one is far too expensive to ta ke this one is far too expensive to take forward, even one of the notices and that will be the end of it. this notice protects absolutely nobody. fundamentally quite clearly i disagree with both your speakers, before is working really well and hampshire, served 5a, nine people and at the end of the day of what we are seeing is it's a really good way of communicating to people especially in a younger age group that they should think about their behaviour book. two thirds of the notices have been handed out to under 25, nine people went on to commitan under 25, nine people went on to commit an offence, how are they protecting people? you can't

legislate for people who go on to commit offences, this is a prevention strategy woven into the hampshire retention strategy. why is this notice better than a sexual risk order? you can do was get a sexual risk order, 0k? and nine times out of ten you have an allegation, if you just while the allegation, if you just while the allegation it's not sufficient to say b happened done anything, we can proceed with the prosecution but if you say we need to see the person, we've spoken to them about their conduct whether that person...m there anyjudicial conduct whether that person...m there any judicial oversight? conduct whether that person...m there anyjudicial oversight? there is oversight by an inspector or above with the police service. but plus an individual have a chance to reject it, to say i'm not signing it? yes, it's a voluntary process, it's not a compulsory process. the difficulty is why you might be able to refuse to sign at the club against you, it has an implication later if you decide to adopt, you

decide to emigrate, you are in touch with social services, this is information that will come up at that point. in an enhanced check. exactly. you have no opportunity... it's not subject to checks, it won't come up,... the police national computer allows them to disclose the information that the officer undertaking the task things it's appropriate, which officer will take the risk of not disclosing information that suggests there is a risk of child sexual abuse? there is a slightly further worry which is that if signed, it says, your sex behaviour is causing us a worry, we think you may have been involved with children and so if they came to my door, i said i would show them the door and if you don't do that, why are you going to be seen to have been taking them in, saying, right, you think i am doing this, these are

all the laws i am going to break if i don't stop, i'll sign here to see you said that. i think that's quite a small stretch before it's going to cause this individual difficulties. it's done without a lawyer, it's done without the intervention of the court, it is very much better to go to the court and get a sexual risk order and frankly, if it's as many as 50 ina order and frankly, if it's as many as 50 in a couple of years it's playing absolutely no role in stopping child sexual exploitation which is very, very endemic and need to really hard work from policing. i think, you know, let's applaud innovation but i think this will play no role at all. two thirds as i said have been handed out to under 25s and one example i'd been given is an 18—year—old man with a 15—year—old girlfriend and over 60 each other. is this about not criminalising young people? —— and

they were sexting each other. sometimes lots of these cases sit in a void. there is not enough evidence to proceed to prosecution, the conduct is clear, do you say let's file is as undetected, the police in between a rock and a hard place. if they don't do anything with it, i don't try and want someone about their conduct or address it as part of the prevention strategy, if that person comes to light later everyone says she knew about the person but you didn't do anything. there are disruption tactics used today in and out by the police and what i think would happen in northumbria, if they proceed this and can't take it any further, they would get an intelligence picture of that individual and they would start to get and look at a npr, perhaps to some surveillance, they would certainly tell all the partners as they are entitled to do under child

concerns, they can give all the information for this individual to be noted forever he goes, they will try and draw an intelligence picture and top that in the end they can in fa ct, and top that in the end they can in fact, do something that gets them. it's not a case when people say it's too tough, we'll leave it alone and in comes the form to the rescue. i think the foreign takes it further, it will try to do all of that. that's not what we say, were not saying it's too tough, we say an investigation has been run and completed, there is no evidence to support the prosecution. this is an option for police officers to decide if it meets the threshold they can go and visit the person, given some advice and ask them to adjust their conduct. what is the threshold? there's no to support the prosecution. there is no evidence, they're innocent. that's two different things, victoria. 0ne they're innocent. that's two different things, victoria. one is saying the allegation has merit and that's for a senior officer to decide. there's lots of allegations made that never proceed to cordon so

it's for a senior officer to decide whether it's appropriate to serve the form. thank you for your messages. this text says most children abused or abused by a relative, this happened to my daughter, a leaflets grid up and thrown away doesn't alert anyone except a perpetrator and they are usually the most devious people, to void of conscious. and this e—mail says i was a child protection social workerfor many says i was a child protection social worker for many years. ——. says i was a child protection social workerfor many years. ——. void of conscious. he said including the issue of one of these notices in an enhanced status check as worrying as it undermines the presumption of innocence but on balance, it must be a good thing enabling rehabilitation and long—term prevention. the home office told us, "child sexual exploitation is a terrible crime and should be treated as such." "alongside a tough law enforcement response to bring offenders to justice,

it is crucial to prevent offending in the first place in order to better protect potential child victims." "the home office has made £2.6 million of funding available to support the development of preventative schemes to complement existing statutory approaches." and if you have been affected by any of the issues in this film and discussion, please call our dedicated bbc action line on 0800 077 077. do you own a leasehold home? that means you own the property, but the land on which it's built is owned by someone else — the freeholder. this gives you the right to occupy the property for as long as the lease is valid. are you hit with massive service charges, or ground rents? do you know what your rights are? the government previously said they'll crackdown on house buyers being "exploited" by ripoff leases. but nearly a year after they promised to act, not a lot has changed. instead of outlawing leasehold agreements on most new homes and scrapping ground rents, the housing secretary has announced yet another consultation and a delay to changes. we investigated the problems of leaseholds on our

programme last year — here's the story of one of the home owners we spoke to, katie kendrick. i had no idea my home would be used foran i had no idea my home would be used for an endless income stream for an investor or for a for an endless income stream for an investor orfor a pension pot. for an endless income stream for an investor or for a pension pot. katie was never told her freehold investor or for a pension pot. katie was never told herfreehold would be sold, now she wants to buy it, the price has gone from a002 £13,000. for do they get the figure from? i have no idea, i've asked the company for a breakdown, how the freehold is calculated, the valuation to which they failed to provide me with. they've said i can go with it or if i challenge it, then i have to take on the legal fees to do so. they have said i can come back with a cou nteroffer have said i can come back with a counteroffer but without all the information on how they calculate the freehold how can i make an informed decision on how to cou ntera ct informed decision on how to counteract the offer? at the moment i feel completely blind, in a corner

andi i feel completely blind, in a corner and i don't know which way to turn, i have taken legal action but it's costly. it's been sold to a new company for 11 months and they've made, something that was worth 1011 months ago, 13,000, a considerable profit in less than a year which puts further pressure on me, i'm thinking if that's how much the investment has gone up in a short time, i need to move quick on this otherwise they could sell it on and on and we could be talking ridiculous. lindsay potter slapped with taylor wimpey developments,, originally quoted £600, two years later, the price was £32,000 after being sold on. she feels too embarrassed to show her face. you got a letter saying the freehold was available, you decided at that point not to buy it. yes. and later, what did you discover? i rang them and said i'd like to buy it and they

said i'd like to buy it and they said it's not for sale. we've got a private investor who sported so it's not for sale, we got a long—term interest in your property. i said i've got a long—term interest in my property, it's my sons inheritance, it's not yours to line your pockets with every year. what has been the impact? is that feeling of failure. i feel like i've let everybody down because it wasn't right to buy it when it came. what has changed since we brought you that report. lets talk now to kevin hollinrake - who is a conservative mp on the housing select committee. louise 0'riordan is a leaseholder who now campaigns to help others. louie burns is a lawyer who campaigns to abolish leaseholds. almost a year ago the government announced you completely abolish ground rents and make the process of buying a freehold much easier.

what's happened ? buying a freehold much easier. what's happened? there was consultation over the summer to see whether the government was right and acting on this and the overwhelming opinion was that it is, specific vozel sa ba n opinion was that it is, specific vozel sa ban said to opinion was that it is, specific vozel saban said to say it to consult again. is that fair enough? i don't feel it's enough. as leaseholders, we are not being helped and we have contributed so many times towards consultations, what we really need is action, not just words, we need more action from government. would you agree? i think the worrying thing when sajid javid announced last year he said his intention was to make ground rents era or peppercorn. the announcement today said there should be £10 for a nominal fee, that concerns are speakers there is an option for freeholders to extract money for the soldiers because when they claim the ground rent, they can include service charge. it wouldn't be ten quid. there are all sorts of things,

people will buy them, it's a needless revenue stream. we are concerned the announcements and consultation seem to water down vote was promised last year before we get there. is that fair? not at all, the government is taking action, capped energy prices when they were too high. were not talking about energy prices, were talking ground rents. you need to make sure you avoid unintended consequences, the government has seen as a problem that will act. it was going to get rid of ground rents. that's not true. we said we'd get rid of them com pletely true. we said we'd get rid of them completely on houses and peppercorn on flats and apartments because there is a common interest issue on apartments, you can simply ban ground rents, it wouldn't be advisable in my view, it's right to limit them to a level that effectively nothing. we've been told so effectively nothing. we've been told so many times as campaigners are just normal homeowners badly sold will be abolished, that leasehold

houses would be sold under helped by an bad promise not gone into fruition. we are just suffering, we've been exploited, abused continually by lots of different agencies and the government know it, we are telling them, please, help us. we are telling them, please, help us. you are being exploited and you have ripped off on houses particularly, it's disgraceful. there's usually a good job in driving down prices but you've been ripped off on the government says it will abolish ground rent on you homes and also cap ground rent on apartments. but there is a big issue, the biggest is people like luisi already on the property because it's buried difficult to go back to an existing contract and change it because as legal ramifications. —— because it's very difficult to go back. people like luisi want to buy the freehold of the property would solve the problem. can we be clear ground

rents offer nothing, they don't contribute to communal, they are profit to the freeholder, they don't contribute... you say get rid of them. there is no purpose, they don't contribute to communal living, they are profit. not true, at times when you have a block of flats worth 100 different residents, long leaseholders you need someone who has an interest in the overall stewardship of the building otherwise it can be dominated by a strong individual who runs a management company is so you need an independent arbiter, it also needs to be capped at a fair level would be my view. still ground rent plays no part in that, it goes to the freeholder as pure profit. the rest of the world outside the feudal syste m of the world outside the feudal system we still have here which you can trace to 1066 uses a form of commonhold. if you were a flat owner and you buy the flat you automatically own a share of the land and business. were i think

lewis is wrong here, the issue of apartments with unsafe cladding on the outside, we've seen freeholders come in and replace the cladding and get the money back later from the leaseholders. they step in because they have an overall interest in the block, i agree people have ripped off, it needs to be a fair level, ground rent but getting rid of leasehold completely is not necessarily the right solution.” don't agree. there is a financial impact for loads of us trapped in this situation but there's also a very real mental health impact, we are suffering, fighting, every step of the way. i don't see why my house needed to be leasehold. you're right, it didn't. why can't it be abolished, it can be abolished in its entirety, there's no reason for ground rent, for it to be leasehold, to have management fees, there is no need. you say you're abolishing leasehold for new leases in the future. i agree,

leasehold for new leases in the future. iagree, louise has leasehold for new leases in the future. i agree, louise has been ripped off, there is no reason to have leasehold houses, you can deal with that in a better way, fairer way. in terms of looking at legal contracts again there clearly are issues are simply scrapping an existing legal agreement signed by two parties, this will be looked at carefully, the law commission and seniorjudges are looking at this, the easiest solution is to make sure people like louise can buy the freehold at a very fair price so they can move away from the leasehold structure, that's probably the easiest way for the but it's not straightforward. easy for you but maybe not you louise. even if! buy my freehold i'm not really getting a troop freehold, i'm getting a fleece hold grudges a hybrid of freehold and leasehold, i want to be free of hope. how long will the consultation last? until december, six weeks from now, the government says it will

report by december, we expect legislation to commence early next year and rebel and lament that and come to committee the year after. we will see, thank you all. dance lessons and cookery classes are amongst the activities that are going to be prescribed by gps to tackle loneliness. in some areas — postmen will be asked to check in on elderly people living alone. and loneliness will be discussed in relationship education classes at school. it's part of a government strategy which aims to reduce demand on the nhs and improve patients' quality of life. well, will it work? let's discuss with our guests — i'm joined in the studio by laura alcock—ferguson, who's executive director of the campaign to end loneliness. and let's discuss loneliness from both ends of the age spectrum — i can speak to craig bankhead from the gateshead 0lder people's assembly, a charity arranging social activities for the over 50s. and to casey pipet — she's a 17 year old living

in a remote part of cornwall who oftens feels socially isolated. craig, tell us what's going on right now. we have a dance exercise class going on right now, there's always loads going on. show us the class. do you want to go and see them? yes, please, let's go through. you need to do some walking and talking. let's walk this way. the dance exercise class going on, you can see and hear them. oh! and if that set up and hear them. oh! and if that set up specifically for people to be social? let's go to a different room, we can't hear them as much, sorry. if that set up specifically to bring people together and be sociable? yes, all of the things we do come off what we do is we support

activities which are there to reduce falls, loneliness and malnutrition in older people and if we can do all three together in a stealthy way then that works for us. craig and going to bring in laura, what do you think of that idea? it's a wonderful opportunity to get connect that, especially through activities and interests and research shows offering people interests, activities based on interest will put —— hook them in. activities based on interest will put -- hook them in. this is new, gps prescribing these. the campaign for a loneliness welcomes these and the uk is leading the world, last week we convened a global conference on loneliness but socially prescribing activities and interventions like it is not actually that new. but the government is doing is backing activities like what we've just seen and social prescribing and other initiatives and giving them a stamp

from government saying loneliness harms our health and we as government now need to take a leadership position in backing some of these interventions that have been shown to work. casey, how are you? been shown to work. casey, how are you ? thanks been shown to work. casey, how are you? thanks for been shown to work. casey, how are you ? thanks for talking been shown to work. casey, how are you? thanks for talking to us. you are 17 you live in a remote part of cornwall and you sometimes feel socially isolated, explain that to the audience. living down in cornwall you need a card to go out places and meet new people and it's really ha rd places and meet new people and it's really hard to do that because of the lack of transport and also is quite intimidating to go out and meet the people. so you get lonely? yes, i get lonely lot, it wasn't until it happened suddenly in college, i heard about a programme national citizens service which also meet me you people in cornwall and across the uk. 0k. meet me you people in cornwall and across the uk. ok. this strategy of gps prescribing classes, you know,

the kind of thing we hear is going on in gateshead, you wouldn't be able to get to those, would you? on in gateshead, you wouldn't be able to get to those, would you ?m would be hard to get to those things but i feel like in schools, people have ways of getting to school and they could engage with it and it would be opened up to us in our area. this idea of including loneliness and relationship education classes, how to combat it, casey, what do you think? it's a good idea, you aren't getting people left out, they will learn about how important it is to have social relationships and that helps tackle loneliness that we may be feeling. 0k, stay there, we are going from your age to 75—year—old audrey who joins us from the dance exercise class. hello, audrey, how are you? i'm fine, thank you. how much do you love your class and what doesn't do

for you? i love it, the music is great, we have an excellent teacher, isa great, we have an excellent teacher, is a big social event for a lot of older people. do you socialise after, do you go for tea or is it just the class? we have tea or coffee after and a big chap, for another 30 minutes probably. we all intermingle, find out each other‘s problems. it's just intermingle, find out each other‘s problems. it'sjust human contact, isn't it, it's good for the soul? absolutely, contact. since the older people are simply to go with a building something on practically every day, really if people want to come it's there for them. absolutely. what impact, laura, can loneliness have on the individual regardless of age? loneliness can impact mental health, it has a cyclical effect with depression, it has an impact on physical health, it's been shown to have links with

al symons, heart disease and it's also been shown to be as harmful for our health as obesity and smoking. —— of climbers. our health as obesity and smoking. -- of climbers. if you are lonely you can sink into depression, can't you? and then become cyclical, you feel like you can't go out. one of the things i think is still missing despite the great work and strategy is support for people to be able to get over their front door, to be able to feel strong enough to go out and meet some people in order to ta ke and meet some people in order to take part in these wonderful activities. that's one of the big remaining gaps in places we do need more innovation and ideas. has audrey gone? that's a shame. i loved. cynthia says prescribing dance lessons for the lonely, it's a brilliant idea but i'm not sure there are any of these places for i am in dover in harwich. i'm sure if the facilities were available locally many lonely local people

withjump locally many lonely local people with jump at the chance, i would, for one, even though i'm 71.71 with jump at the chance, i would, for one, even though i'm 71. 71 is just a number. thank you so much for coming on the programme, thank you to audrey, casey and craig who did that super walk and talk. have a great day. we'll be back tomorrow at 9am. hello, good morning. after the wet weather over the weekend things are looking much drier and quieter weather—wise through this week. some rain around this morning, that will ease the way, some sunshine developing across parts of southwest england at the moment, sunshine for the west of wales, northern ireland western areas of england, scotland, northern ireland, continuing with sunshine. this cloud is continuing, rain petering out, may linger in the

east midlands into south yorkshire later. temperature is about 12—1ad, sunshine in the south—east, temperatures reaching 17—18d. tonight remaining quite cloudy, patchy mist and fog and england and wales, keeping temperatures in double figures. clear skies in scotla nd double figures. clear skies in scotland and northern ireland, leading to a chilly night, during tuesday cloud increasing in scotland, northern ireland, patchy rain moving through. elsewhere brighter skies, sunshine, quite warm in the south—east, temperatures reaching 22 degrees. goodbye. pair. you're watching bbc newsroom live.

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