tv Beyond 100 Days BBC News October 16, 2018 7:00pm-8:01pm BST
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you're watching beyond one hundred days. the saudis agree the investigation into the disappearace ofjamal khashoggi must be "thorough, transparent and timely." but so far it isn't any of those things. there is still pressure on the kingdom to explain what really happened to the missing journalist. mike pompeo meets the saudi leadership — amid speculation the royal family may now say jamal khashoggi was killed in an interrogation that went wrong. and watergate journalist bob woodward joins us to talk about that and his new book fear — trump in the white house. also on the programme... the news on brexit is there is no news. at least no progress. the cabinet met today and offered full support to the prime minister, for now. but ahead of the all important summit tomorrow, still no sign of a breathrough. and are you chicken? or would you be quite happy to sit down to a nugget, that was grown from the cells of a feather? hello and welcome —
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i'm katty kay in washington and christian fraser is in london. saudi arabia's role in the disappearance ofjournalist jamal khashoggi has been clouded in secrecy, the investigation started two weeks late and access to the saudi consulate in istanbul has been limited. it would be hard to describe it as transparent, timely or thorough. yet the saudis today told us secretary of state they are committed to all those things. it's not clear if mike pompeo takes the assurances at face value. turkey rejects saudi denials that they killed mr khashoggi inside their istanbul consulate after torturing him. today turkish president erdogan suggested saudi arabia had painted over evidence at the consulate. earlier we spoke to our correspondent mark lowen who is in instanbul. there seems to be a strategy evolving to shield the highest levels of the royal family in
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riyadh, is that going to work?m depends on whether saudi arabia's allies by into that and it seems donald trump paved the way for that narrative when he said he had spoken to king salman and there was as a gesture and that rogue killers might have been involved. —— there was a suggestion that. that is creating the building blocks of a way out for the building blocks of a way out for the top officials in riyadh especially for the crown prince mohammed binns man. —— the crown prince king salman. it will be put out in the turkish newspapers, and if turkey stands to gain potentially from the saudis as a sweetener for buying into the narrative, maybe the turkish government might accept it, but elsewhere in terms of other western governments, britain, france, germany, there will be little credibility and koreans given
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to that idea. —— credence. little credibility and koreans given to that idea. -- credence. the problem for the saudis is that we don't have a body. they had gone into the console's house tonight. where is the investigation at? the consul general‘s residence is being searched and president erdogan said the search at the consulate had unearthed toxic materials and materials which had been painted over, although we don't know what he means by that, but it suggests they have got evidence which they feel is important. in terms of the body we don't know where it is. there have been allegations it was dismembered and possibly that the saudi hit squad as they are called might have taken bits of them with them back to saudi arabia, although not confirmed. they will now try to push the saudis on more answers, and going back to the first question, if
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saudi arabia's allies by into the narrative they will be accused by critics are prioritising their relationship with saudi arabia over and above uncovering the dark truth. mike pompeo will come to turkey and talk to the turks. what do they want out of it? it almost feels like shuttle diplomacy, to see what leverage mike pompeo can use. on one level, maybe mike pompeo is here to make sure that the story is watertight. he has been in riyadh, it's a triangle of governments which is controlling the communication and the narrative at the moment and they need to be lined up. in terms of what turkey wants, last week they released the american pastor andrew brunson, which got them brownie points with washington, and i think turkey will want for washington to
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be on the same page as them and possibly to relax sanctions that we re possibly to relax sanctions that were applied on the turkish government, maybe some kind of financial sweeteners. you get the impression that if the story is to hold for the time being awfully governments need to be in alignment and that is what my —— mike pompeo is looking to do. thanks forjoining us. “ is looking to do. thanks forjoining us. -- backs macro. senator lindsey graham has strongly condemned saudi arabia's prince mohammed bin salman, saying nothing happens in the kingdom without his knowledge mr graham has long been a defender of saudi arabia, however he told fox news he won't be returning there while mbs remains in charge. let's take a listen to what he had to say. this guy is a wrecking ball and he had this guy murdered in a consulate in turkey and to expect me to ignore this, i feel used and abused. he is a toxic figure and he can never be a
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world leader on the world stage what what does the president do? we are going to sanction the hell out of saudi arabia. there are a lot of good people that you can use, but he has tainted your country. lindsey graham talking to saudi arabia but probably also to the white house, as well. joining us now is danielle pletka from the american enterprise institute here in washington. you have met mohammed salman several times, will he survive this? yes, because there is no plan b in saudi arabia, he is the past and the present and the future in saudi arabia. do you think it is useful to him,i arabia. do you think it is useful to him, i know you like the fact he is a reformer, but he has now gone too far in becoming autocratic and he is not a benefit to the kingdom? first
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of all, yes, it is important to recognise that he has taken some really big steps towards reforms in saudi arabia but they have gone hand—in—hand with an increasingly autocratic dictatorial and almost deaf approach to how to manage domestically and also international policy, but on the other hand people should not think of this like the american elections. 0r like brexit, where we can negotiate. this is saudi arabia and this family is in charge and he is the de facto leader and his father is the king. it seems highly unlikely that the king is going to turn around and said to his 33—year—old son, you seem to have screwed up, you should go. there is
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a big conversation going on in saudi arabia, clearly. his younger brother has flown home, we understand. the consul general has flown home from istanbul, so what is going on within the will family right now in riyadh? —— royal family. the will family right now in riyadh? -- royalfamily. there has been a huge centralisation of power in the la st two huge centralisation of power in the last two years, and the fact they to count their ambassador to saudi arabia to washington last year —— they took out. they replaced him with the crown prince's younger brother, 28 years old, that was a sign of that centralisation, and in fa ct sign of that centralisation, and in fact the saudi ambassador to washington was almost never hear and he was almost always at home. the reality is if they are going to come out of this and try to make the changes that the world is going to demand they will need a proper ambassador and they will need to
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professionalise their relationship and decentralise a little bit. regarding the cover they are tried to provide for him, do you think the white house is involved in that shifting storyline? the world will be involved in that shifting storyline. i would love to say that saudi arabia was the only power that made up this kind of rogue elements we re made up this kind of rogue elements were involved in we hear this all the time, we hearthis were involved in we hear this all the time, we hear this when iran is involved in terrorist attacks, supposedly conducted by rogue elements, we hear this about the russians and the chinese, this is a common narrative, and the reality of the world is, almost everybody gets away with it. they don't need donald trump and jared kushner to go along with this because this is the story that because of convenient realities actually works. thanks forjoining
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us. president trump today rejected the idea that his handling of the khashoggi affair has anything to do with his own finances, tweeting. .. "for the record, i have no financial interests "in saudi arabia (or russia, for that matter). "any suggestion that i have isjust more fake news "(of which there is plenty) !" which may or may not be true today — we haven't seen his tax returns — but until recently he boasted about his lucrative business ties with the kingdom. here he is at a 2015 election campaign rally in alabama. saudi arabia, i get along great with all of them, they buy apartments with me and they spend 40 million i suppose to dislike them? i like them very much. and for more on the president's tactics we are joined now by bob woodward, author of fear: trump in the white house. good to have you in the studio. you made your name covering watergate, a
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cover—up, is this another one? made your name covering watergate, a cover—up, is this another one7m looks like it and if you go back to watergate, the nixon white house tried to pin watergate on underlings, rogue elements, and they we nt underlings, rogue elements, and they went into court and said that the mastermind of watergate was some low—level person who was going to jailand of low—level person who was going to jail and of course we learned as the process unfolded that the master mind was nixon and that he was behind it. it is stunning that lindsey graham who is very close to trump, there is no ambiguity in what he is saying, he says mbs did this and it is intolerable, i think this will be a very interesting test of whether the diplomatic process which
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as you know is a kind of, oh yes, you go first, deference, can really oi'i you go first, deference, can really on earth something like this which is notjust on earth something like this which is not just an on earth something like this which is notjust an international scandal but this is a moral scandal. let me ask you about the white house. when there is a crisis of this nature, who is running it in the one house? whose voice is prevailing? when there was the speculation about the first international visit to saudi arabia people were warning him about mbs and it being a difficult country but jared kushner prevailed. not just jared kushner, but he drove it. he said we have anotherjunior diaz, let's try to do something —— he said
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we have an opportunity. i don't know who is driving it now, but clearly the president is involved in this. the idea that he started talking about rogue elements before now, thatis about rogue elements before now, that is the official line, it seems from saudi arabia. look, they forgot to go to the intelligence in the cia files about saudi arabia and i've been covering saudi arabia to one extent or another for decades and this is the sort of thing they do. they are ruthless. there is no surprise here. the question is, is president trump in his administration going to tolerate the orare administration going to tolerate the or are they going to cover it up? we seem or are they going to cover it up? we seem to be on the cover—up road right now. what is so interesting and important about it, there is no
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international investigation, no investigative body that has the clout, like special counsel robert mueller in the states, looking at the russian interference, eating get documents and witnesses. —— he can get documents for the internationally business one who can bring other countries together and get the facts. we sometimes dismiss president trump and how he manages these situations but he is skilful in creating a new reality irrespective of the fact. nixon was very good and skilful at creating a reality that was not true until he got caught. the question is, is there a mechanism for catching this? ijust can't there a mechanism for catching this? i just can't look there a mechanism for catching this? ijust can't look at it as a journalist and diagnose it as skilful. somebody was pretty clearly
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killed, tortured, abducted. will the president stand up and say this is intolerable? president stand up and say this is intolerable ? he president stand up and say this is intolerable? he said at one point there will be severe punishment. by whom to whom? this is one of these tests and i think we will learn a lot about how things work in the world of donald trump. the central three —— theme of the book is how some of the people inside the white house control the impulses of donald trump. you talk about how a letter was removed from the oval office white —— 0val was removed from the oval office white —— oval office desk because he didn't want the president to see it. is it true thatjim mattis said to
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you that the reason for these alliances is to prevent world war iii? that is not true. i know alliances is to prevent world war iii? that is not true. i knoinm mattis and i know more about it than he does align a more about this from the standpoint of fairness —— and i know. you said jim matters had to explain to him why there is a shield in south korea and why there is money spent on nato —— jim matters. ——james money spent on nato —— jim matters. —— james mattis. money spent on nato —— jim matters. -- james mattis. president trump is obsessed with the idea when, say, the united states has troops in germany, that we are subsidising germany, that we are subsidising germany or europe and the generals and the secretary of defence james mattis have got to pound hard on him and said no, that is for our benefit also. these are mutual security
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agreements that have been very effective over the last 70 years. trump is obsessed with the loss of money in these matters. to a person as best i can tell, who knows about this, for the president say he knows about it than james mattis, this, for the president say he knows about it thanjames mattis, what is the word, rubbish? we use that a lot. it is not true. i recount early in the administration where they had dinneron in the administration where they had dinner on this subject and they were trying to tell president trump that nato really works and it is important to american security and finally tour conceded, —— trump conceded, you can have your nato, but you have got to be the rent collector, go around and get more
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money from the european countries. again it is the obsession with money. you called the book fear, whose departure from the white house would strike most fear in you? that isa very would strike most fear in you? that is a very good question. it is clear from the reporting i was able to do oi'i from the reporting i was able to do on this, the closer you are to trump the more anxiety you have about his impulses, that he is gambling with all of the major issues. chinese tariffs. they had a plan to unite the world against china. the trade practices that every country knows how china violates all of the agreements. they are called very bad
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words by people in the white house, people who know this, and trump impulsively said, we are going to impose steel tariffs all on his own, even his chief of staff general kelly did not know that trump was going to do that. so who is it? it is interesting to point fingers at individuals but there is a lot going oi'i individuals but there is a lot going on that should make people be worried because the people who are there and know the details are worried, sometimes worried sick. you have had denials from the people you have had denials from the people you have had denials from the people you have had interviews with, public denials, the way you have done the book. what have they said you in private since the book came out? book. what have they said you in private since the book came ounm varies. very good reporter, one of
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the best in washington, after there was some denials, told me that he was. . . was some denials, told me that he was... he broke out into hives when he heard some of these denials because he had heard the same things from these individuals but off the re cord from these individuals but off the record will stop this willingness to ta ke record will stop this willingness to take things off the record, i think is one of the poisons in the journalistic system, and you can't asa journalistic system, and you can't as a reporter say, this is an elite group of people who know the real story, we have got to share it with the public. bob woodward, the book is fear: trump in the white house, thanks forjoining us. on the record, that is a very good book. fascinating insight into the white house. we talk about james mattis, who is one of the guard rails when it comes to the military strategy in the white house, it was reported the
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other day that he would not hang around if he thought he was being pushed out. clearly there would be concern within washington if he was one of those who were to go. concern within washington if he was one of those who were to golj concern within washington if he was one of those who were to go. i had a long flight from london to washington after the book came out andi washington after the book came out and i read it then, and if you get to the end of it there's a fascinating story where the president's lawyer goes to see robert mueller and basically says, we can't let donald trump take the stand because the world will look at us stand because the world will look at us and think, what is going on? this isa us and think, what is going on? this is a disaster. robert mueller looks at the lawyer and says, yeah, i understand, and you think that these are two ad receives and they have come together to share the idea of protecting the united states —— two adversaries. because the president cannot tell the truth. that was bob woodward! paul allen, who co—founded
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microsoft, has died aged 65 from complications of non—hodgkin's lymphoma. the businessman made his fortune alongside school friend bill gates, after they co—founded technology giant microsoft in 1975. mr gates said personal computing would not have existed without him. a usjudge has dismissed adult film star stormy daniels‘ defamation lawsuit against president donald trump. stormy daniels, whose real name is stephanie clifford, says she had a sexual affair with mr trump in 2006. she filed the case after the president tweeted that she had invented a story about being threatened for speaking out about the alleged relationship. prince harry and meghan — formally known as the duke and duchess of sussex — who are on a tour of australia— have been given gifts for their baby, which is due in the spring. speaking in sydney, prince harry said the couple couldn't have thought of a better place to announce that they are to become parents. migrant children who were in effect segregated at school meals have been allowed to rejoin their classmates in the northern italian city of lodi after the shortfall in the cost was met from donations.
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the hardline interior minister matteo salvini had backed the mayor's policy of insisting that migrants paid full price for their children's lunches unless they could prove that they had no assets. charities raised $70,000 enabling 127 children to resume their places in the canteen. 0na on a lighter note. there has been something of a social media storm today, around the subject of the papoose. the tv presenter and former newspaper editor piers morgan has questioned the masculinity of james bond, aka daniel craig. who was photographed carrying his baby in a front facing pouch. here's the tweet. his comments about the 50—year—old actor, whose daughter is a few weeks old, prompted thousands of responses
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with many criticising morgan's view of manhood. here is just a small selection of the photos posted in response to morgan's comments. many men proudly carrying their baby in papooses, as you can see. here's one from chris evans who stars in captain america. much as we'd like to show you the image of daniel craig we can't — it's classified. actually, it's not, it's just too expensive. it would bust our budget. but we have do have the next best thing. christian with his papoose! and baby clementine in it. looking shaken and stirred! the
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goodness' sake, piers morgan takes on daniel craig, really?|j goodness' sake, piers morgan takes on daniel craig, really? i could never get the class to go over the button on that papoose. daniel craig and myself are spiritually as one. this is another tweet on the same issue. very difficult to get those ears integrate papoose. i go back a long way, papoose —— they go back a long way, papoose —— they go back a long way, papooses. this is beyond 100 days from the bbc. coming up for viewers on the bbc news channel and bbc world news — from knoxville to nashville to memphis, it's high stakes and big names in the race for tennessee, we'll head south to check out one of the most watched senate contests it was a lovely day today, when the
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sun was shining, temperatures around 21, the peak of the heat this week, from the blue skies to the grey skies, different picture here in argyll in scotland where it was much cooler as a result of the cloud. the band of patchy rain moving into scotla nd band of patchy rain moving into scotland and northern ireland, a very wea k scotland and northern ireland, a very weak weather front. cloud beginning to break up in the south west, and we will continue to see this narrow band of cloud and light rain and drizzle moving down into england and wales. showers following to the north—west. maybe some fog but not as extensive as it was last night. 6—8 in the north, 10—11 in the south. this band of cloud is moving very slowly towards the wash and east anglia, lingering in the west country, and a few showers coming in into the north—west of the
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uk, light showers. could get 17 in hull, maybe around the london a bit higher, and in kent. they will hang onto some warm sunshine for most of the day. things are cooling down, skies clearing, temperatures dropping away and it will be a bit cold in the northern half of the uk. rural areas in western scotland could be close to freezing, but mild in the southern counties of england, where there will be more cloud overnight which could linger on thursday as well. inbetweeners looks like it will be a lovely day after the cold start, plenty of sunshine —— in between it looks like. the temperatures near normal for this time of year. high building as we head into friday, and toppling that we have another weak weather front
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which will bring rain to the north of scotland. it will gradually wea ken of scotland. it will gradually weaken as it moves into the far north—west of england. ahead of that, mr and fog patches and the temperature will reach a healthy 17, maybe even 18 —— mist and fog patches. this is beyond one hundred days with me katty kay in washington, christian fraser is in london. our top stories. as international pressure grows to find out what happened to the saudi journalistjamal khashoggi the us secretary of state, mike pompeo, meets the king of saudi arabia and the crown prince in riyadh to discuss his disapperance. the president of the european council, donald tusk, says new proposals are needed from the british government if there's to be progress in the brexit talks. coming up in the next half hour... in the wake of a damning report into allegations of bullying at westminster the speaker of the house of commonsjohn bercow is to stand down next summer. no animals were harmed in the creation of this chicken — but does it hold up to the taste test? on their way into
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downing street today, cabinet ministers were met by brexit supporting protestors, who were chanting chuck chequers, bin the backstop. one or two of the cabinet ministers, those opposed to the prime minister's plan, might just have been persuaded tojoin them. however, none of the cabinet ministers were resigning today. instead, after a two—and—a—half hour discussion, mrs may won their support, for now, for the plan she has set out. the plan the eu says will not work. let's get more with our political correspondent rob watson. an important summit tomorrow. no conclusions from the cabinet and now reform plan. it does not look good at the moment. when i was asked to come in the programme tonight i was thinking we will be talking about
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the irish backstop no deal and maybe it would be smarter to go home and have dinner with my family. but then i thought that is not the honourable thing to do, to get serious for a minute! this is the most profound political crisis that has faced the uk since the end of the second world warandi uk since the end of the second world warand i say uk since the end of the second world war and i say that because essentially the main party, the governing conservative partyjust cannot reach consensus on what should happen and what the future relationship should be with the eu. so in the cabinet today, we thought that ministers would resign and it counted as something of a success that nobody walked out. but the reason why they did not is because they still have no plan and i think it is important to spell that out. there will be no deal on wednesday at the eu summit because the uk government is still negotiating with itself. we have the lines to show
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for those late nights in brussels! you did more of those late nights! moving on... we know there is usually a fudge at the end of this but what is perhaps concerning if you want to have a deal and some do not, what would be concerning is that you could think of a strategy where the prime minister would go right to the wire to force them to blink but they are saying on this fundamental issue of the backstop, we're not going to shift position. fundamental issue of the backstop, we're not going to shift positionlj we're not going to shift position.” just do not think and i may be wrong but i do not think that the eu is going to shift and here's why. to see it from their point of view, the eu thinks you are the ones who voted to leave and to borrow a metaphor, the gym club, the eu thinks you were in the gym club, we're sorry you are leaving, you do not want to do your membership any more and you're not
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going to be using showers and equipment all all that stuff. and the eu feels as though british politicians have not been honest either with themselves or with the british public that there are going to be down signs to leaving the eu. ido to be down signs to leaving the eu. i do not think that they're going to make any concessions. not that they wa nt to make any concessions. not that they want to punish the uk butjust because they think you know, you had benefits to being in the eu and you're not going to have them now. just for the record, faced with a great political crisis in the uk and you lovely wife and her delicious cooking, i would you lovely wife and her delicious cooking, iwould have you lovely wife and her delicious cooking, i would have been on the train to oxford! did the uk and i spoke specifically the prime minister, and those around her, did they miscalculate the degree to which the eu was going to be prepared to give the uk very much, do they think you really want a deal and they will meet at halfway? the a nswer and they will meet at halfway? the
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answer is yes shall i go back now and have dinner with my wife. you are rightand and have dinner with my wife. you are right and i think the uk thought that somehow it would be able to pick the eu apart and somehow mercantile interests would trump the other interests of keeping the eu together. but none of that is to say that both sides do not still want a deal, we discussed this last night, the uk and the eu do definitely want a deal but at this moment is not obvious to see how that comes about. and just one last metaphor, i read somewhere today that theresa may was described as being like a pilot flying a plane and desperately trying not to crash. she's looking for somewhere safe to land but so far she just for somewhere safe to land but so far shejust cannot for somewhere safe to land but so far she just cannot find anywhere. you have come to the right programme because christian is full of metaphors every night! this is the
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interesting thing about brexit, it drowns out everything else that is going on, universal credit, the bullying report in the house of commons yesterday. today the speaker john bercow apparently has told friends he will stand down next summer. friends he will stand down next summer. pretty damning thoughts that came from dame laura yesterday, a culture of acquiescence. the report was about all sorts of bullying and harassment, sexual harassment and then her thought is to is that the top of this pyramid, it isjohn bercow and he ought to go. but you're right in normal times, the media and politicians would be on him and he would not fanciest chances to last another 24 hours but these are not normal times and worth saying again and then i will shut up ina saying again and then i will shut up in a second, but this is a profound political crisis in this country. it may not feel like that yet to the
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voters but you have notjust the government, the conservative party but the other main party, the labour party, just not able to reach agreement about what the future relationship with the eu should leave. and i'll bet we all know the public are also divided and as infuriated about the issues ever. these are troubling times. indeed they are. great to see you. and also what is the uk thinking about saudi arabia, again consumed with brexit. donald trump won the state of tennessee by 25 points in the presidential election. so why does the democrat in this deeply red state even have a chance? in just three weeks voters will be going to the polls — and big money as well as big names are weighing in on what's become one of the most watched senate contests in the country. barbara plett usher went to nashville to find out more. at the new hope missionary baptist
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church in nashville, voting is a faith issue. african—americans did not turn out in large numbers for the presidential election. and they don't like the result. so the black clergy has mobilised. if we stand together, if we play together, when we vote together... pastorjames c turner ii believes that if african—americans in tennessee vote as a block, they can tip the scales in the senate race. and send a democrat to washington. a new spirit has awakened. and we're just happy to see this energy. and now we have to take it to the polls. it is extraordinary that the democrats think they even have a chance in this ruby red state. the republican candidate, marsha blackburn, has a reputation as a firebrand. she has tied herself closely to president trump. i'm not running against donald trump, i'm running for a senate seat to represent
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the people of tennessee. the democratic candidate phil bredesen is a popular former governor. he talks about his personal brand as a politician who gets things done. rather than his party. that pitch is aimed squarely at disaffected republicans. but an hour outside nashville, the party is pretty important. this is louisburgh‘s annualfair. it is trump country. still, there is some impatience with partisan shouting matches in washington. tennessee is an interesting test of whether a political moderates still has appeal in this hyper pulverised climate. but it is also crucial because a democratic win here is key to helping the party take control of the senate. and that is a deal—breaker for many. i love donald trump. i think america is back on a run right now. i think we are being respected all over the world. what about phil bredesen? what do you think of him? a nice guy, but i'm not voting for him. but he is somebody who might get things done, right?
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no, he is only going to get done what his party wants him to get done. with the extreme conservatives and the extreme liberals, a moderate is a really nice thing to have. but you do not know if you're going to vote for the moderate? i'm not sure right now. but you might? imight. and that is one of the main reasons why? yes. in a state where music is the currency, the democratic votes have been raised by the singer taylor swift. she surprised fans by throwing her megastar power behind tennessee democrats in a social media post to her 112 million followers. a surge of millennials registered to vote but that does not seem to have changed many minds in downtown nashville. it is all country folks and rednecks in tennessee. country rednecks are republican! she's not going to change your vote? no. this is a picture of me right there at a donald trump convention in myrtle beach. and i still love taylor swift
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because she has great music and she's a great person. but i do not think she should try to tell you who you should vote for. the republican marsha blackburn has pulled ahead in the polls. so much will depend on who actually shows up to vote. a roof over our head and a place to return to at the end of the day — a home — is central to a safe and stable life. yet millions have to get by without one. here in the uk, the government has just pledged £100m to try end rough sleeping within 10 years. but the reasons for homelessness are varied — it's notjust a lack of housing, its mental health, its poverty, family breakdowns, addiction. it's estimated that 150 million people worldwide are homeless. that's approximately 2% of the entire global population. another 20% of the world's population live in poor or inadequate housing.
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we're going to get the view from the united states but lets start here and let me introduce you to zahra who has experienced homelessness herself. you used to be in rented accommodation so what went wrong? my landlord wanted to increase the rent because he said that the market had inflated at the time and he had to put up event. —— the rent. but i just could not afford it, i was paying for nursing these and i have two children, i was paying for full—time nursery fees and after—school club because i work full—time at the time as a teacher. ijust full—time at the time as a teacher. i just could not full—time at the time as a teacher. ijust could not manage financially andi ijust could not manage financially and i asked him to reduce the rent and i asked him to reduce the rent and he said he could not but he had to increase it. ijust knew i had to
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try to see if i could find another place but finding somewhere else also meant you needed two months in arrears plus a deposit, around £5,000 just to move out and ijust did not have the money so i had no choice but to turn to social housing for some support. at one point you ended up sleeping in the car, you've lived in hostels, in accommodation that was totally inadequate. what can you not do in life when you do not have an address, when you do not have a fixed address, what are you shut out from? it shut you up from almost everything, you feel like you're in your own bubble, you cannot do normal things that you would do, just washing clothes or cooking a meal. television, things like that are completely out of the picture for the children. so it was
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a complete difference in routine. and we all had to adjust to that. also at the time my daughter had to apply for a secondary school but i did not know where we were going to be living and so i had to apply for all the different schools in different areas hoping that i would get somewhere that was going to be suitable for my child. heather night in san francisco, the numbers of homeless seem to be rising in the uk, there are different stories from throughout the united states. they are up around 14% in the past couple of years in california but in san francisco the numbers of homeless are coming down. what is the city doing right? they are coming down a tiny bit but i do not think you could say we're doing anything really great because the problem is still prevalent. we still have around 7000 people on the streets every night. we're working on
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building more permanent supported housing to get people in and help them team up with case managers to help with any problems they could be facing. job—hunting, identification cards, whatever they need. but it is s0 cards, whatever they need. but it is so expensive to build housing in san francisco at that effort has been stalled. that is familiar over a year. crisis says 90,000 social homes are needed to be built every year and last year just 5000 homes are needed to be built every year and last yearjust 5000 were built in the uk. you cannot solve homelessness without homes. that is a similar statistic to what we face here in california, real estatejust s0 here in california, real estatejust so expensive that even people working have a hard time finding an apartment. so people out on the streets face an even bigger hurdle and wejust streets face an even bigger hurdle and we just cannot keep up with building more housing. the problem is affordability, even with the job, ido is affordability, even with the job, i do not know if you have any benefits but even with the job you
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cannot afford the market rent in the place you live? so what do you do? you turn to social housing in the hope that they can help and i was just surprised at the lack of help and housing that is out there. so really it is very challenging. even the affordable homes that they say they have for key workers, it is not affordable. you still need a deposit and they do not specify these things and they do not specify these things and do not give you help with that. you still need to have a reasonable amount of money to get these type of homes. that aside the minimum wage is such a lively debate both here and in the united states. thank you both for coming on and telling your story. this is beyond one hundred days. still to come — fresh, frozen and even canned...all ways to buy your meat. and now you can get it lab grown. coming to a supermarket near you... the government's flagship welfare reform —
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universal credit — will not now be fully implemented for at least another 5 years. one million people are already receiving the benefit, but plans to roll it out to around 4 million others have been beset with delays and difficulties. 0ur social affairs correspondent michael buchanan, reports. another day, another protest against universal credit. small in number perhaps but raising large concerns. those who are particularly vulnerable really struggle with the system. it's gone too far to scrap it now but urgent action needs to be taken. ministers appeared to agree and are delaying plans to start moving almost 4 million existing benefit recipients onto universal credit next year. tens of thousands of people were due to start getting letters nextjuly telling them they had to apply for a universal credit. we've learned that process won't start until november 2020, which means that universal credit won't be fully rolled out until december 2023, putting the project almost seven years behind its original schedule.
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leaked documents show ministers planned to use the delay to significantly change the benefit. they hope to give people longer to repay any loans, make it easier for the self—employed to receive the new benefit and they would like to continue paying some existing benefits for a fortnight after people have applied for universal credit. it was meant to be the answer to become ready benefit system but for too many people it is a living nightmare and ministers are clearly struggling to achieve its original
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aims. you'll no doubt remember the world watching with bated breath, as rescuers battled against the clock to save the lives of 12 boys trapped in a cave in thailand. that was back injune. since then — their remarkable experience has brought them some surprises — of the good kind. the 12 boys and their coach were appearing on the ellen degeneres tv show in america, when the la galaxy striker zlatan ibrahimovic stepped out to meet them — they'd just told ellen that he was their idol. that was so cool. meanwhile — today, the group of british divers involved in the rescue were at buckingham palace meeting the duke of cambridge. the extraordinary rescue operation began after the young footballers and their coach were discovered trapped two miles deep inside the flooded tham luang cave network. at the time it was hard to see anyone would get out alive. in the end all 12 boys and their coach were saved. 0ne thai diver died helping. guy mitchell was part of the rescue
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team and we caught up with him a short time ago, as he travelled back from his visit to the palace. gary, you are on your way home from the palace. how did the visit go? it was a little bit surreal, actually. it is seldom an opportunity that one might get. to go and visit buckingham palace. to get inside, get beyond those black gates and meet his royal highness the duke of cambridge. obviously i mentioned an emotional moment for you, revisiting what you went through in thailand. what did you talk about with them, what do they want to know? generallyjust like almost everyone else, just wanted to understand more of the story. what actually happened. how did we get involved. the effect it has on our family, or work colleagues and things like that. he was genuinely interested in all of the detail. it was an extraordinary success. but when you were heading out to thailand, be honest, did you think you would get all of them out? no, i will be honest and say
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it was really quite emotional getting out there just thinking right, we have found the boys now, we know they are all alive. now we really have to come up with some plans either to sustain their life for a long period of time underground while we wait for the waters to recede, or we come up with a rescue plan. and heading out there, i think if you asked me honestly at the time, i would have been happy with just getting one of the boys out alive. that would have been a degree of success for us. you're being incredibly modest because i do know you were instrumental in coming up with this plan, you were a very big part of it. tell us what you did and what you came up with? i was there with a few others sent out at the same time from the uk to assist the divers on a sort of service role. the divers needed to concentrate on what they were doing and free themselves up perhaps from the sort of bureaucracy that was out there. and the sort of lengthy meetings and discussions, the briefings and debriefings. it was the divers' plan,
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it always had to be a divers' plan because it is those guys clearly that were the forefront of any element of risk. so they had to be absolutely comfortable with it. and ourjob really was to support them in that plan. i understand you have not met the boys since the rescue operation. i imagine you would love to, to find out how they are doing? absolutely. we have kept in touch with some of the british consulate staff out in bangkok. and they do send us updates on what is happening with the boys, where they have been, what they have been up to. but yes, it was one of our final departing requests, if we could get a chance to see the boys again, perhaps in a home setting. that would be wonderful. and we just want to see them with their families enjoying life, doing what boys do and that would be an amazing end to our story. gary mitchell, on your way home from the palace. how often do you get to say that, gary! great to have you on, thanks forjoining
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us. thank you. winston churchill once said, that the world would one day escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts seperately. perhaps that time is upon us. as the world looks to go green and reduce its dependence on intensive farming — so the scientists are looking at alternatives. in san francisco there is a firm, that has grown chicken nuggets from the cells of a chicken feather. i know, pretty weird — which is why we sent james cook to do the tasting. we basically grow animal meat without killing the animal. this is early in the prototype phase. this is chicken grown right here. i
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will take a bite. it is really tasty. it tastes like chicken. there is something to the structure that is something to the structure that is not quite the same as you might be familiar with although the taste is similar. the physicality and feel of it in your mouth is different. like i said, finding things in the animal kingdom or 3—d printing scaffolding, there's a lot of different ways we can do it. we have to find ways of creating with cheaply and fast. isn't that interesting. good for the
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chickens. we will be egging them on! still a minute to go! quite seriously, what do you think, would you be happy to have a genetically grown beefburger? why not, we had the un report last week that we all need to eat less meat so there has to be some compromise. if we want to carry on having the flavour of meat we need to find ways to things that taste like meat without destroying the planet and increasing global warming. if this is one way that is safe and the chicken is still running around in a field in san francisco then i think that is the kindest thing we have to get used to. that is exactly what we had from the un report, this is the kind of compromise that we have to make. fried chicken nuggets never did it
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for me anyway. chicken dinner, maybe christmas dinner grown from a test you christmas dinner grown from a test you never christmas dinner grown from a test you never know. could be the way forward. even you could get used to it. so long as there is no foul play! it was a lovely day today, when the sun was shining, temperatures around 21, the peak of the heat this week, from the blue skies to the grey skies, different picture here in argyll in scotland where it was much cooler as a result of the cloud. the band of patchy rain moving into scotland and northern ireland, a very weak weather front. cloud beginning to break up in the south west, and we will continue to see this narrow band of cloud and light rain and drizzle moving down into england and wales. showers following to the north—west. maybe some fog but not as extensive as it was last night.
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6—8 in the north, 10—11 in the south. this band of cloud is moving very slowly towards the wash and east anglia, lingering in the west country, and a few showers coming in into the north—west of the uk, light showers. we could get 17 in hull, maybe around the london area a bit higher, and in kent. they will hang onto some warm sunshine for most of the day. things are cooling down, skies clearing, temperatures dropping away and it will be a bit cold in the northern half of the uk. rural areas in western scotland could be close to freezing, but mild in the southern counties of england, where there will be more cloud overnight which could linger on thursday as well. in between it looks like it will be a lovely day after the cold start,
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plenty of sunshine. the temperatures near normal for this time of year. high pressure building as we head into friday, and toppling into that we have another weak weather front which will bring rain to the north of scotland. it will gradually weaken as it moves into the far north—west of england. ahead of that, mist and fog patches and the temperature will reach a healthy 17, maybe even 18. this is bbc news, i'm julian worricker. the headlines at 8pm. donald trump says the saudi crown prince has assured him that the investigation into the disappearance of the journalist, jamal khashoggi, will lead to answers. fresh calls for the commons speaker to resign following a report about bullying in parliament, the bbc understands he'll stand down next year.
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a further delay to the rollout of the government's flagship welfare reform — it says to prevent claimants suffering hardship. also this hour — it's emerged the number of so—called hate crimes has risen by nearly a fifth. the sharpest rise across england and wales is to do with crimes carried out because of religion. i'm in london at the guildhall where the great i'm in london at the guildhall where the great and i'm in london at the guildhall where the great and the i'm in london at the guildhall where the great and the good i'm in london at the guildhall where the great and the good of i'm in london at the guildhall where the great and the good of the i'm in london at the guildhall where the great and the good of the book world a re the great and the good of the book world are gathering to find out
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