hello, it's thursday, it's nine o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire, welcome to the programme. our exclusive story today... facebook says it's truly sorry to a mum whose baby was stillborn and who continued to receive parent—related adverts, despite triggering the settings to hide them. anna england kerr wrote an open letter to the social—media giant, asking them to stop bombarding her. over the coming months, my feed was still filled with hundreds of baby products. your ads were unintentionally taunting me with what i had lost. facebook have admitted there was a bug but say it's now been fixed. we'll talk to anna england kerr at 9.15. brextra time — britain could stay under eu rules for even longer after the latest crucial talks in brussels failed to make any progress. a further idea that has emerged, and it is an idea at this stage, is to create an option to extend the implementation period for a matter of months, and it would only be for a matter of months. but the point is that this is not expected to be used.

guess what? there's anger amongst some mps — we'll hear from one former minister in just a moment who says it won't wash. social—media star natalee harris, who had a brazilian butt lift at a cosmetic surgey clinic in turkey, tells us exclusively she regrets promoting the procedure and has panic attacks at the thought of something going wrong for one of her followers. we will talk to her after 10am. hello, welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. we'll bring you an update on the epipen shortage story after 9.30. from today, chemists will have to assess which patients are most

in need before giving them out. we'll talk to this mum, angie perry. her four—year—old son, jude, has 16 different allergies. we will talk about how she manages that on a daily basis and the stress of trying to get an epipen that has not gone past its expiry date. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about. use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you, and maybe want to take part in the programme, please include your phone number in your message. our top story today... conservative mps have reacted angrily to the suggestion that the uk's post—brexit transition period could be extended by as much as a year, during which the british government would continue to pay into the eu's budget and follow its rules. the idea was floated when theresa may met eu leaders in brussels last night. it could mean that the uk would still be in the single market and customs union five years after the brexit vote. arriving at the eu summit for today's talks, the prime minister said

that the option had emerged to extend the transition period for a matter of months, but that she still expected a deal to be in place by the end of 2020. as i said yesterday, we have made good progress, we have made good progress both on the withdrawal agreement and on the future partnership, our future relationship. on the withdrawal agreement, there are issues remaining around the backstop — just to remind everybody, the backstop is what would come in place to ensure that there would be no hard border between northern ireland and ireland, if the future relationship is not in place by the end of the implementation period. the original proposal from the eu was one we could not accept in the uk, it would have created a customs border down the irish sea. earlier in the year, we put forward a proposal as to how to deal with this issue. a further idea that has emerged, and it is an idea at this stage, is to create an option to extend the implementation period for a matter of months — and it would only be for a matter of months — but the point

is that this is not expected to be used, because we are working to ensure that we have that future relationship in place by the end of december, 2020, and i am clear that it is possible to do that, and that is what we are working for, and in those circumstances, there will be no need for any proposal of this sort, and i am clear that i expect the implementation period to end at the end of december, 2020. but prime minister, many of your colleagues at home and lots of people who voted leave might be worried to hear you saying you would stick with the status quo for longer, and it could cost britain billions more to stay in longer? what i have just said is we are working with the european union to deal with this issue of ensuring that if there is a gap between the end of the implementation period and the point at which the future relationship comes in, we don't expect a gap to exist, but if there is, we want to ensure

there is no hard border between northern ireland and ireland. we have put forward a proposal as to how to deal with this, a further idea has now emerged. we, of course, are working to ensure not just that we are able to ensure no hard border between northern ireland and ireland, were such a gap in time to emerge, but to ensure that the implementation period comes to an end in december, 2020, because we are able to put the future relationship into place, at the end of the implementation period, and ensure no hard border between northern ireland and ireland. we can speak to conservative mp and former minister nick boles. he campaigned for remain in the eu referendum and has ...are are you an angry mp this morning? i am are you an angry mp this morning? iam not are you an angry mp this morning? i am not happy with this idea. when the prime minister proposed what she calls the implementation period which involves being inside the eu, bound by its rules but not having any votes in

continuing to pay our full contribution, she said it would definitely conclude in december, 2020, and people went along with that perhaps a bit grumpily because they could see there was a need for time to negotiate the long term relationship. but each of those first two years cost 10 billion euros, and a further year she is now saying she may need to agree to would cost much more, up to 18 billion euros, because we would be ina new billion euros, because we would be in a new budget period for the eu. the truth is, there is an alternative, we do not need to go into this limbo transition at this fast cost, we can go into a position like the way inside the eu economic area, but outside lots of things we do not buy, the common agricultural policy, european court ofjustice. you would still be paying in and have to accept freedom of movement of people. we would still have to accept that in the limbo period.

there is absolutely no difference in that. with respect, there would be as many objections to what you have suggested as to what theresa may suggested as to what theresa may suggested earlier this morning. not at all. we would be inside the european economic area, outside the european economic area, outside the european court of justice, european economic area, outside the european court ofjustice, outside the common agricultural policy. in the common agricultural policy. in the limbo transition, we would still be inside them. we would be paying less because eea states pay less. and there would be free movement of people and many leave voters would say they voted leave to stop that. there would be free movement of people in the transition period, we are both talking about interims, staging posts to the final deal where we will be free of things like free movement of people. she has one proposal which is very expensive and does not release us from any of our

obligations of eu membership, the alternative proposal of going to a position like norway, halfway out of the eu, substantially cutting our contributions and it would not extend free movement for any longer than she is already proposing. thank you for talking to us, unhappy conservative mp this morning. annita mcveigh is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the day's news. good morning. the washington post has published a final column byjamal khashoggi, the journalist who disappeared after he visited saudi arabia's consulate in istanbul two weeks ago. turkey has accused the kingdom of murdering him there — a claim saudi officials deny. in the opinion piece, mr khashoggi makes an appeal for a free media and freedom of expression in the arab world. from washington, here's chris buckler. no matter what the investigations and searches finally discover, there seems to be a growing acceptance that jamal khashoggi will not be found alive. inside the saudi consulate

in istanbul, he disappeared, and the claims that he was interrogated, tortured and murdered here are becoming more and more difficult for saudi arabia to simply deny. as a turkish crime scene investigation team left the saudi consul‘s istanbul residence, the washington post published mr khashoggi's last column, an article which its editor said showed his passion forfreedom, a freedom they believe he gave his life for. in the opinion piece, mr khashoggi writes the jailing ofjournalists and attacks on the media in the arab world no longer carry the consequence of a backlash from the international community. the us secretary of state has now visited both ankara and riyadh, and offered reassurances to turkey's president erdogan that the truth would be uncovered. but president trump has done nothing to distance himself from saudi arabia, america's middle east ally. if you look at saudi arabia, they're an ally and they're

a tremendous purchaser of not only military equipment, but other things. there is pressure for saudi arabia to give some kind of explanation for what happened afterjamal khashoggi was pictured entering its consulate. and with claims that there's more evidence of a gruesome killing inside this consulate, the voices of international outrage are only likely to grow louder. chris buckler, bbc news, washington. passengers using paddington railway station are still experiencing some cancellations, although network rail says services are significantly improved after yesterday's massive disruption caused by damage to overhead electric wires. most lines are back up and running, but some services

will remain cancelelled today while engineers finish the repairs. the cables were damaged during a test run of a new high—speed train. paddington, which deals with 90,000 passengers a day, was closed until lunchtime yesterday. the anonymous crime reporting service, crimestoppers, says it's handling a record number of phone calls and online messages. the charity says one reason is that some callers are struggling to get through to the police. officialfigures, to be released this morning, are expected to show a further increase in recorded crime in england and wales. ebay has filed a lawsuit against amazon, accusing the us retail giant of using illegal tactics to recruit sellers. it says amazon representatives abused ebay's internal email system to contact sellers — a violation of the marketplace's policies. amazon declined to comment on the case, which follows a letter from ebay demanding an end to the activity facebook officials have apologised to a woman who repeatedly received parenting—related adverts on her news feed for months after turning off the adverts after her daughter was stillborn. anna england kerr said she felt taunted by adverts for cribs, pushchairs and ivf as she came

to terms with her baby's death. facebook have admitted there was a bug in its hide—ads feature. and we'll have more on that story shortly. the low—cost airline cobalt has cancelled all flights according to a statement on its website. the carrier, which flies to cyprus from heathrow, gatwick, sta nsted and manchester, has suspended operations. it's reported that cobalt had failed to reach a deal with a potential new investor. the duke and duchess of sussex have been greeted by thousands of well—wishers on the third day of their official 16—day tour of australia. the couple met members of the public during a visit to melbourne before going on to meet youngsters involved in sporting and environmental projects. the couple then headed down to melbourne beach where they learnt about efforts to minimise threats to wildlife. our australia correspondent, hywel griffith, was there and sent this update. day three of the royal tour here in melbourne was all about young people being active and taking part in their community.

there were definitely plenty of young people in the botanic gardens earlier, some queueing from 5am to get the best spot for a glimpse of harry and meghan, who, of course, went walkabout, shook hundreds of hands and took part in some selfies. after that, it was on to a demonstration of sporting activities and a campaign for women in particular to be active. it's one that's been adopted from england and has worked quite successfully here in the state of victoria, getting one in seven women active and doing some kind of sport. then after a tram ride down here to south melbourne beach, they got active themselves on the beach. they saw young children cleaning up, getting rid of some of the plastic waste. obviously, the environment another concern, but really the message today was about engagement. another interesting development today, although we've seen crowds in hundreds, if not thousands, every day so far, one of the republican movements in australia suggested they too are also seeing their numbers going up. for every australian who maybe

wants to come and wave a flag or wear a crown, another one is signing up to support a republic eventually if the question of australian sovereignty ever comes to a public vote. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. thank you very much. a couple of comments on the latest brexit twists and turns. theresa may needs to go, wea k and turns. theresa may needs to go, weak woman. get us out, we voted, respect the vote. another says, one thing protracted brexit talks highlight, the difficulty of an eu decision—making process involving 27 member states. in a crisis, it could not lead to a speedy response. i apologise for not reading that well, it was in english. to message us

with your comments. let's get some sport. chris mitchell is at the bbc sport centre. eddiejones will eddie jones will name eddiejones will name his squad and the pool of players he can pick from is getting smaller. england play south africa, new zealand, japan and australia next month. and we've got the world cup next year. but two further blows to coach eddiejones, who names his squad in the next 10 minutes. england number eight nathan hughes will miss the first three games after being banned for six weeks for punching. and mako vunipola has been ruled out for about six weeks. his brother billy is also out — he broke his arm in the same match. let me give you an idea of how drastic this is. this is the squad that won the six nations grand slam in 2016 when england were at the peak of their powers underjones. here's who he's now missing from that squad. billy vunipola, mako vunipola,

joe launchbury, chris robshaw. anthony watson, jonathan joseph all injured, whilstjoe marler has retired from international rugby. here's our rugby union reporter chrisjones. when eddiejones when eddie jones got when eddiejones got this england job, so three years ago now, he would have wanted at this point october, november 2018 to really be honing in on that world cup but but backin honing in on that world cup but but back in 2016, and for the last year oi’ back in 2016, and for the last year 01’ so back in 2016, and for the last year or so england have been struggling forform and or so england have been struggling for form and been struggling to get their best players on the pitch. injuries in english rugby aren't anything particularly new, the former coach will lament the times he didn't have his best player but when you look at the key individuals out the side and the positions where some of them are missing from, number eight, loosehead prop eddie jones is going to go deep into his well of reserves this morning. that announcement coming in 13

minutes' time. and you will report back on that i know. wembley stadium? a few weeks ago we were told wembley stadium had benn sold, but now the buyer's pulled out — why? sports minister tracey crouch told the bbc she was "very disappointed" by the decision. there was a plan to sell it to this man, the american billionaire shahid khan, who had offered to pay more than £600—million for the national stadium, with the money to be ploughed into grass roots football. well, he's now withdrawn that offer. lots of people who were against this deal. they said the fa should hang on to wembley, so he has withdrawn that offer now, and well, wembley is still there and it still belongs to the english fa. and chris, any chance manchester united might try to buy wayne rooney? you wonder whetherjose mourinho

would mind having him back, to inject passion. rooney's major league soccer team — dc united — were struggling at the wrong end of the table when hejoined, but they're now in sixth place and he's a big factor in their revival. 18 games he's played for them now, and he's playing brilliantly for his new club — dc united in america's mls. this is his tenth since joining them in june. spectacular, looking like he is at his best again. this was overnight in the united states, and that is his tenth goal of the season, let us see us one more time. 0k. see us one more time. ok. that is all the sport for now. i will bring you up—to—date with the by will bring you up—to—date with the rugby later on. whether you realise it or not, you all get personalised adverts tailored to your preferences when you use facebook — but what happens when it goes wrong? anna england—kerr's daughter clara was stillborn in june. she used facebook‘s settings to turn off pa renting—related adverts for a year, but still saw them on her news feed — adverts for cribs, pushchairs, mums‘ groups and even ivf — months after clara died. this is part of the open letter

she posted on fb as a result. facebook have now admitted to us they've found a bug in their hide ads feature "which they're working quickly to resolve." they say adding it's a priority. let's talk now anna england—kerr, also to karen burgess from petals, which is a counselling charity to help parents affected by baby loss, and professor caroline wiertz is from city university london. she's an expert on how targeting adverts work on facebook, and what you can do to stop this kind of thing happening. thank you all very much for coming on the programme. anna, you turned the settings so that you wouldn't get these kind of adverts but what did you don't see? basically, lots and lots of things that i probably

otherwise might have been interested m, otherwise might have been interested in, so feeding bottle, baby blanket, cots, cribs, mobiles, like the list is endless, and i might have been interested , is endless, and i might have been interested, i would have been a great contenderfor all interested, i would have been a great contender for all of these ads, if everything had been fine. and then it wasn't. i became the least likely person to buy any of those things, and facebook knew that, and i wanted them to stop. and how did they know that? so, in everybody can access their ad preferences, and they helpfully have probably realised there are cases such as our, where you reallyjust can't handle seeing, being inundated with baby option, others are to turn off advertising about alcohol, they i’ow off advertising about alcohol, they row not just random off advertising about alcohol, they row notjust random topics, they are important occurrences in your life, so

important occurrences in your life, soi important occurrences in your life, so i switched it to hide parenting ads andi so i switched it to hide parenting ads and i thought that would help. it did nothing, so i tried to go into the more detailed ad settings andi into the more detailed ad settings and i turned off anything that could possibly be related to babies, parenting, family, home, ithink, like literally unclicking everything i could find, that didn't work either so i started reporting all of the ads you can click on the ad and say this isn't relevant to me, and i did that for every single ad and you have to understand when you have just lost your child, you are exhausted, there is nothing that i have found that is more exhausting than grief, and you are trying to piece together your world again. and facebook is important, because you can share, you can find people who are going through similar things, like you, and you find a community that can help you through things, and we used it to tell our friends as well, because it means you are

not endlessly having the same conversation, and listening to their disbelief, and their pain, you can concentrate on yourself, but it didn't work. after a couple of months, so it is now four months, since clara was born, i had had enough. what impact was it having on you, seeing those adverts, do you think? it made me cry a lot. and i say that, somewhat glibly, but it does. i mean, iwas miserable enough, and you know, when ads are speaking to you, because that is what they are designed for, this could be you, you too could have this smiley baby and all you need is this smiley baby and all you need is this play mat or whatever it is. and that wasn't all i needed. it just hammers home that wasn't all i needed. itjust hammers home that the life that i had been preparing for, and

expecting, was very very different to the life that i had, and it is very ha rd to to the life that i had, and it is very hard to reconcile those at the best of times, and it is even harder when the place you go to kind of distract yourself from a bit, from all the thoughts that are in your head makes it more painful. you have explained you changed the settings, you went into further filters to make the settings even more sophisticated, it had know effect. what did you do after that? —— know effect. effect. what did you do after that? -- know effect. i asked people if there was something i missed. i tried ad blocks and anything i could think of, at one point i tried to get it to replaced a verts of babies with an instagram feed of pictures of shocked cats because i thought that would amoussed me and to be fair it would have if it had worked but it didn't because the advertising settings are sophisticated and rightly so there isa sophisticated and rightly so there is a platform we get for free and

the price is that you get shown ads, and i'm ok with that, but i'm not ok with those ads making me cry. professor, how do targeted ads work what is going on with the algorithms. everything is automated nowadays so it is algorithms speaking to each other and facebook knows about your activity but a lot of things outside of facebook sol think most people are hopefully aware they are being tracked throughout the internet unless they are careful unless they how they manage cookies and preference, as a result of that if that is combined you can imagine facebook has a sophisticated understanding of what users are up sophisticated understanding of what users are up to in their lives based ol'l users are up to in their lives based on what they know and infer from this data and this is what they sell ol'l this data and this is what they sell on to advertisers, who can then

target specific ways to sell the products that are most relevant to users and as anna says there is what we want as consumer, in fact we would rather have an ad that is releva nt would rather have an ad that is relevant to us, but in cases like this from one moment to another your situation changes it is difficult for the algorithms to keep up because they need time to learn from data, to adjust the preferences which would explain why it took them a while to kind of learn that you are not interested in baby products any more, they will eventually but it will take them time. it is four months down the line and i got an ad for a baby cot maybe yesterday. 0k. so... they have admitted, facebook have admit there was a bug in the. is, they contacted you yesterday, less tha n is, they contacted you yesterday, less than 2a hours before you were due to appear on this programme, and what they say to you? due to appear on this programme, and what they say to you ?|j due to appear on this programme, and what they say to you? i got contacted what they say to you? i got co nta cted by what they say to you? i got contacted by the head of facebook in

europe and she was sympathetic, expressed her continue lenses and said sorry how using facebook has compounded that sadness and made me feel, she said it was a bug and they would work on fixing it which i hope happens soon and she said she would keep, that i would be kept in the loop, as to how it goings, because as “— loop, as to how it goings, because as —— go, because as you said i will likely be shown less and less over time, that is also because i furiously clicked on every thad is not a baby product and i think that is an unenable bar to expect of pa rents is an unenable bar to expect of parents going through the worst thing they could, but i hope it is going to happen soon. well, the statement we have had from facebook says the bug has been fixed burr you said that yesterday, you had a... was told it was going to be a high priority to fix, it would be... but you saw an advert for a cot yesterday. that is before the phone

call. but this is they say. we are grateful to anna for coming forward too grateful to anna for coming forward to o her experience. it is deeply upsetting she is seeing ads she hid from her feed. we upsetting she is seeing ads she hid from herfeed. we are in touch upsetting she is seeing ads she hid from her feed. we are in touch with her and from her feed. we are in touch with herand again want from her feed. we are in touch with her and again want to express our deepest apologies we have looked into this issue and we found for a few weeks earlier this year our hide ad topics feature had a bug. during this time, ads from those topics may have a peered even when people chose to hide them. why while it has been fixed we recognise we need to continue to invest in our machine learning models, to improve detection and prevention of these ads. so, despite them fixing it you say you are still getting the ads, you will continue to monitor i think, just to see what still comes through on your feed. as will other people. i am through on your feed. as will other people. iam not through on your feed. as will other people. i am not the only one. somebody in one of the groups i'm on

on facebook, it is helpful too, said they created a whole new profile to get away from ads so it is an unreasonable bar so hopefully we will notice. karen, let me bring you m, will notice. karen, let me bring you in, your charity helps counsel bereaved parent, can you explain how seeing these kind of relevant adverts might, might hinder the grieving process. well, i mean first of all ijust want to say and that, thank you for speaking out about this, because i know from the many women that we speak to at petals that this sort of thing is really hurtful, in fact it is quite cruel, i think, it is, we liken it to, you know, stabbing at an open wound, thatis know, stabbing at an open wound, that is what a message like that feels like, i think, when you are consta ntly feels like, i think, when you are constantly bombarded with these things and reminded of what you have lost, and that is basically what it

is doing every time, so, yes, i think it is, you know, these sorts of things dojust plunge think it is, you know, these sorts of things do just plunge you think it is, you know, these sorts of things dojust plunge you back in to your grief, and yes, grief is something that can be quite overwhelming but what we like to try and do is to control it in some way, to be able to learn to live with it but if these things are coming at your unexpectedly it is hard do that and leave you feeling emotional at times when you don't want to feel emotional. you have already said, anna, that facebook has been helpful in terms of you being able to get in touch with people and explain what has happened, have you considered just coming off social media? not really, because i need it, as well, so really, because i need it, as well, so being at home, i'm surrounded by reminders of plans we had and things idid reminders of plans we had and things i did when i was pellegrini with clara, i can't escape my grief, even ifigo off clara, i can't escape my grief, even if i go off facebook, and if i were

to come off, i would have to work harder to try and message people, to, yeah, i don't know, meet up, because for some of them, that is my preferred form of communication, and i don't think it's, it is not in facebook‘s interest either which is why they have built this feature, it is good it exist, it is bad it doesn't work properly, and i wanted to make fixing it be somewhere on their agenda and thankfully, with kind of lots of people clicking on bug reports after the open letter i posted, it's high up on their agenda, so i am pleased. thank you for talking to us about it. still to come... as the country faces an epipen shortage, chemists are now being asked to validate whether patients really are in urgent need of a supply. we'll be speaking to a mum, a pharmacist and a rep from the national pharmacy

association. anyone with a four—year—old who has 16 different allergies. —— a mum. and as pictures of animals dying from plastics in the sea kick—started a national conversation about how we treat waste, we'll be speaking to former round—the—world yachtswoman dame ellen macarthur about her bid to stop plastic pollution by 2025. time for the latest news. the headlines now on bbc news. conservative mps have reacted angrily to the suggestion that the uk's post—brexit transition period could be extended by as much as a year, during which the british government would continue to pay into the eu's budget and follow its rules. the idea was floated when theresa may met eu leaders in brussels last night. it could mean that the uk would still be in the single market and customs union five years after the brexit vote. arriving at the eu summit for this morning's talks, the prime minister

said that the option had emerged to extend the transition period for a matter of months, but that she still expected a deal to be in place by the end of 2020. the original proposal from the eu was one we could not accept in the uk, it would have created a customs border down the irish sea. earlier in the year, we put forward a proposal of how to deal with this issue, a further idea that has emerged, and it is an idea at this stage, is to create an option to extend the implementation period for a matter of months, and it would only be for a matter of months. but the point is that this is not expected to be used. we are working to ensure we have the future relationship in place by the end of december, 2020. the us has asked turkey for a recording which is said to provide strong evidence that jamal khashoggi was killed inside istanbul's saudi consulate.

turkey has accused saudi arabia of murdering the 59—year—old journalist there — a claim saudi officials deny. it comes as the washington post published mr khashoggi's last column before his disappearance, in which he wrote about the importance of a free press in the middle east. the anonymous crime reporting service, crimestoppers, says it's handling a record number of phone calls and online messages. the charity says one reason is that some callers are struggling to get through to the police. facebook officials have apologised to a woman who repeatedly received pa renting—related adverts on her news feed for months after turning off the adverts after her daughter was stillborn. anna england kerr said she felt taunted by adverts for cots, pushchairs and ivf as she came to terms with her baby's death. facebook have admitted there was a bug in its hide ads feature. ebay has filed a lawsuit against amazon,

accusing the us retail giant of using illegal tactics to recruit sellers. it says amazon representatives abused ebay's internal email system to contact sellers — a violation of the marketplace's policies. amazon declined to comment on the case, which follows a letter from ebay demanding an end to the activity. the low—cost airline cobalt has cancelled all flights according to a statement on its website. the carrier, which flies to cyprus from heathrow, gatwick, stansted and manchester, has suspended operations. it's reported that cobalt had failed to reach a deal with a potential new investor. the duke and duchess of sussex have been greeted by thousands of well—wishers on the third day of their official 16—day tour of australia. the couple met members of the public during a visit to melbourne before going on to meet youngsters involved in sporting and environmental projects. the couple then headed down to melbourne beach where they learnt about efforts to minimise threats to wildlife. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. thank you very much. here is the

sport now with chris. ben morgan is in the training squad for eddie jones. lots of injuries. danny cipriani does not make the squad. more news on that later. the sale of wembley is off. shahid khan withdraws his £600 million offer to buy the london stadium. england beat sri lanka in yet another rain—delayed one dayer in kandy. ben stokes smashing the winning runs. england two up with two to play. and how about this from wayne rooney? a 35—yard free kick for dc united against toronto. they are now six in the eastern conference in the mls. his tenth goal in the mls since moving to america in june. more from me in a moment. thank you

very much. what has happened to the missing saudi journalist jamal khashoggi, who was last seen entering saudi arabia's consulate in istanbul more than two weeks ago? the washington post has published the final piece from the journalist who was a columnist there. in the article, he talks about the importance of a free press in the middle east and says that arab governments have been given a free reign to continue silencing the media at an increasing rate. an audio recording has emerged in the turkish media which claims khashoggi was tortured and killed within minutes of entering the saudi consulate. it is also being reported in turkey that khashoggi had his fingers cut off one by one and his killers later beheaded and dismembered him. saudi arabia continues

to deny killing him. president trump is due get a full briefing later today from his secretary of state, mike pompeo, whom he sent to saudi arabia and turkey to try to get to the bottom of things. trump said the us has asked the saudis, who are strong allies of the us, for any audio or video evidence. they are an important ally. but i want to find out what happened, where is the fault, and we will probably know that by the end of the week, but mike pompeo is coming back, we're going to have a long talk. let's get more from martin patience, our correspondent in istanbul. he is in ankara. what is the latest? everybody is focusing on the audio recording which emerged yesterday in the turkish media. it is worth stating, we do not know if the audio recording actually exists, all we know is that a turkish newspaper printed details from the audio recording, gruesome details, as you we re recording, gruesome details, as you

were suggesting, and now the us president donald trump has asked the turkish authorities to provide the audio recording to the american authorities. you would perhaps have thought they would have done that in the first place. america and turkish intelligence agencies often share information. for whatever reason, that does not appear to have happened. we will have to wait and see if that is the case. but this audio recording would appear to provide yet more evidence, if more evidence was needed, thatjamal khashoggi was murdered inside the saudi consider more than two weeks ago. saudi arabia says he remains a missing person, that they had nothing to do with the killing and they do not know what happened inside the consummate. most people simply do not find it credible. —— consulate. donald trump says we should not jump to consulate. donald trump says we should notjump to conclusions. who has been allowed into the consulate

to investigate? turkish investigators have moved into two of the buildings, the first was actually the consulate where they collected toxins to take off for samples and late last night, they went into the residents of the saudi consul in istanbul. the turkish have been trying to get into that building for days. then it suddenly happened yesterday and they moved in and we saw pictures of them coming up and we saw pictures of them coming up with bags of evidence. what you have to remember is, that effectively has been a crime scene for more than two weeks now, it is a lot of time, and in that time, most people would think, if there was any evidence, it could easily have been destroyed. this really is a murky affair. a lot of the details are being leaked to the turkish media, not officially coming from the

turkish government, and it is keeping up the pressure on saudi arabia, suggesting perhaps jamal khashoggi went missing, nobody believes that, donald trump suggested perhaps it was the work of rogue killers, but that has been undermined by the fact that it is impossible, almost impossible, that this kind of thing could have taken place in the saudi consulate without the country's top leaders not knowing about it, not sanctioning it, so for that reason, i think nobody is buying it, but you still have this gap between the sides and it does not... it remains to be seen actually how they will be able to bridge all these details. thank you very much, martin patients reporting live from ankara. thank you for your m essa 9 es live from ankara. thank you for your messages about the interview with anna england kerr whose daughter was stillborn in the summer and she continued to be targeted on facebook

by baby ads. facebook has said they we re by baby ads. facebook has said they were truly sorry after we brought the case to their attention and they said there was a bug in the system which has been fixed. a tweet, such a brave, a particular woman, which has been fixed. a tweet, such a brave, a particularwoman, my heart goes out to you and i hope you get your happy ending. another has e—mailed to say, my cousin had a major problem with gambling addiction, he tried to block facebook advertising of gambling websites as part of his recovery, but every weekend his was flooded with ads, facebook do not make it easy to block ads, or they make it a long process and it has got to stop. facebook needs advertising to stay free, but you should be asked what kind of advertising you could consider as part of the deal. thank you for those, keep them coming in. let's bring you an update on the epipen shortage now. a story we broke a few weeks ago.

the latest is that chemists are being asked to validate whether patients really are in urgent need of an epipen. effectively, that means trying to work out who needs it most and choosing one patient over another. the limited stock of epipens — which are used when treating allergic reactions — have ongoing supply issues, which we've previously reported on this programme. but now nhs england have asked all community pharmacies to ask validation questions to each person with a prescription to check who is most in need of a supply. let's talk to a mum, a pharmacist and a rep from the national pharmacy association. angie pery‘s son, jude, who's four, has 16 allergies and relies on an epipen, but his mum has struggled to find any that are in date. atul kantaria who is a community pharmacist and manages hill pharmacy in london is also here. and we're joined by leyla hannbeck, the director of pharmacy at the national pharmacy association. welcome to all of you. hello, angie.

tell us what sort of allergiesjude has. a severe allergy to cats, the nearest contact, he breaks out in hives, starts to choke, throws up, he is allergic to milk and meat, sesame, all nuts except for cashew nuts. the list goes on. do you know why? i have my own theories but i do not think they hold water in the medical field, not think they hold water in the medicalfield, to be honest. your theory is it is to do with a very long labour which was 50 hours. i think so. you got an infection. long labour which was 50 hours. i think so. you got an infectionlj had think so. you got an infection.” had group b strep and they pumped me full of antibiotics at four hourly intervals and i believed it changed his whole gut biom and left him open

to allergies, that is my theory. you obviously need an epipen, more than one probably. what has it been like trying to get hold of one in date? it is very difficult. if you do get one in date, it has a three—month sheu one in date, it has a three—month shelf life and you need to know that you are safe and you have an epipen for a good amount of time. you do not want to have to worry about it and it is a worry, it has become a very big issue in our home because he needs to take two to the childminder, two at home, and at the moment, we are ferrying two between the two places and it is a big deal, a very big deal. what kind of pressure are you wonder a very big deal. what kind of pressure are you wonder as a pharmacist? —— are you under as a pharmacist? —— are you under as a

pharmacist? we have to try to help customers when they require epipens ol' customers when they require epipens or other devices. supplies are tight, the supply of epipens is not going to get any better, but there are going to get any better, but there a re two going to get any better, but there are two other manufacturers of a similar device which are increasing production to facilitate the demand there is in the market. but they work slightly differently, so the patient needs to be taught how they should be used. cani can i ask you about the validation process , can i ask you about the validation process, you have to check that a patient who already has a prescription really needs one urgely? ? that is right. how will you do that we won't be so strict on it but have a conversation with the patient, see what their needs are, if they have a pen available or not. if they already have one they might

wanted to wait a bit longer before they ask for another one, if they don't, then we will supply it to then, it is not going to be a definite no, if they need it, we will get it for them. you will be sensible. thank you for talking to us, give us examples of patients who came to you, and an insight into how worried they are? the reports that we are getting from palm sips, is that obviously patients come from the palm sip have read there is a shortage of epipen and they want to understand how long it is going to go on for and what they need to be doing so the advice we are giving is that for pharmacists to reassure patients that they are doing everything they can to make sure that the patient gets the supply. the validating that you were talking about, it is in regular contact with us, in terms of informing us withed the vice that needs to be given, they have been producing a flow

chart that is helpful for pharmacists to go through this process for patients, and so on, so this is a situation that has been monitored very closely. do you think it isa monitored very closely. do you think it is a sensible move to ask pharmacists to validate where the patient disease need it urgely? the problem that we have at the moment, is that the shortages are likely to continue towards the end of this year, so while they are, why they are other products available but it is very likely that the manufacturers and the wholesalers will need to manage the supply, and the best way to do that is to make sure that it goes through the process , sure that it goes through the process, where it is validated, but it doesn't mean that the patient is not going to get it, itjust mean there's is a process in place to make sure that the supply is monitored. 0k. tell us how you manage a four—year—old with 16

different allergies on a daily basis? it is a full-time job. 24 hours a day, i never rest, really. it, it is label reading, continual vigilance and just being on my toe, he can't touch certain things, so i have to monitor him personally all the time, we can't go out to restau ra nts, the time, we can't go out to restaurants, because we don't know what is put into the food, and in light of the recent eatery it is just, it has put up red flags for us and we would rather not go anywhere than risk it. his life is too precious. it must be really stressful. it is very very stressful. it is very very stressful. as i say, we are just on high alert constantly as a family. i have two other children and they also, they are quite nervous, they, they are jumpy on also, they are quite nervous, they, they arejumpy on a also, they are quite nervous, they, they are jumpy on a daily basis in case he touches certain things or

ingests them. it is not a nice place to be in. we have accepted it as our lot, but obviously, but it is just, with the added stress of the epipen shortage, itjust, it exacerbates everything and it just, shortage, itjust, it exacerbates everything and itjust, it sends our stress levels over the top to be honest. what would your advice be to patients who need epipens? the advice it is not the only option, they should discuss with the pharmacist as well as with their gp, to see what else they can use, there are supplies available on a controlled basis but that is in the interest of the patients, if they are needed they will get it, like i said earlier they need to be aware that they work in a slightly different way so they need to be shown how to use the alternative options they have available.” shown how to use the alternative options they have available. i can read you this e—mail from patsy, she

says my son has a severe allergy to nuts. he must carry epipen, is 17 now, and we have had trouble getting the correct dosage for him as he has got holder we have had to carry two june orones because they didn't have the right dosage. gps vet their patients so why are chemists making these decisions now? they are life—threatening condition, we need one for home, one for school, one in his bag. chemists cannot know when a life—threatening situation will orbing cur. like i said earlier, we will not restrict supplies if they say that they require it, we are not going to go any deeper into the i economy situation as to whether they need it or not and we will get it for them. thank you, that is reassuring. thank you for coming on the programme. new supplies are expected within the

next week. patients with the greatest clinical need will be prioritised. we'll be speaking exclusively to social media star natalee harris — who had a brazilian butt lift at a cosmetic surgey clinic in turkey — and who now says she regrets promoting the procedure to her followers. that is after 10.00. last year's episode of blue planet ii about the damage caused to the oceans by plastic pollution started a national conversation about how we treat waste. the pictures of animal trapped and dying, and piles of discarded plastic in the sea prompted campaigns to stop companies using single use plastics. eight million tonnes of plastic enter the oceans every year.

dame ellen macarthur has spent more time at sea on her own than almost anyone else as a former round—the—world yachtswoman. now her charity, the ellen macarthur foundation says it come to agreements with 200 organisations around the world to stop plastic pollution by 2025. let's take a look at an extract from blue planet, which was so instrumental in getting people to take plastic pollution seriously. a pod of short finned pilot whales. they live together in what are perhaps the most closely knit of families in the whole ocean. today,

in the atlantic waters off europe, as elsewhere, they have to share the ocean with plastic. a mother is holding her newborn young. it's dead. she is reluctant to let it go, and has been carrying it round for many days. let's talk to dame ellen macarthur. we all know it is a huge problem,

who you to say it is a huge problem? the statistics speak for themselves, we brought out a report in 2016 looking at global plastic packaging and where that goes, because globally it wasn't really understood and we found that only 2% of plastic plantagenet packaging gets recycles and 32 ends up flowing out into the environment which is critical for the economy because you are losing in 2016 looking at global plastic packaging and where that goes, because globally it wasn't really understood and we found that only 2% of plastic plantagenet packaging gets recycles and 32 ends up flowing out into the environment which is critical for the economy because you are losing 80—120 us billion $s worth of material. i am interested in how your sailing career has influenced your view on this, because you didn't come across much plastic pollution. i didn't really sail through the plastic where is where it is best known, i was down round antarctica, my interest came from resource, on a boat you have finite resource, there is no more, i began to realised our global economy was no different and studied how we

use resources globally, metal, anything with a materials backbone and plastics was one of the very very high volume, low value materials which evidently is broken asa materials which evidently is broken as a system because we are losing so much into the environment. 0k, in terms of your own foundation, what is your ambition then, when i comes to plastic pollution? our ambition is plastic never becomes waste. if it becomes waste it ends up incinerated or lost or leaking into the environment so our goal is to help change the system of plastic packaging and do that and we have been working on it for four years packaging and do that and we have been working on it forfour years by setting a clear goal, by saying where do we want to get to with regards to plastic packaging, one of the challenges is you have plastic, and some of it is clear, some is unclear and a large proportion is still not designed to be recycled so we are trying to go to the beginning of the flow, not to clean up the beaches which is essential but to go to the beginning of the flow,

working with governments and business businesses. brands, we have beenin business businesses. brands, we have been ina business businesses. brands, we have been in a conversation saying what does success look like? and we now have a number of global companies, a significant percentage saying they will make 100% recycle by 2025. you have 200 organisations. we have over 200 signatories. names we would have heard of? biggest in the world, we are announcing them at the end of this month. it is big and a significant proportion of the global plastic packaging industry. we will all know the names. you will. all right. can you notjust give us one. can talk about the work we have done, when we sat down in a room we started to work with some of the biggest brands, pep circumstances coke, mars, saying where are we trying to get to, the interesting point is, even the biggest packaging brand in the world, they can't fix it on their own. you need the industry to shift. that is changing the system why which is why the

conversations are so important. were they doing it any way?” conversations are so important. were they doing it any way? i think many things have happened. there is a realisation, in many ways from blue planet, the report we produced in 2016 saying there is a big problem. i don't think anyone understood the side of that that. it is understanding the numbers but there has to be that realisation they cannot do it on their own, there we re cannot do it on their own, there were hundreds of innovations in different directions but adding them up different directions but adding them up didn't create a solution. what we have helped to do is to have that conversation with thetorses and governments saying if we get to this place, then all plastic will have value, therefore, it will fit into a system and it can be recovered. the plastic we don't need is eliminated, it is redesigned or we have different distribution models and once we put the vision if place, you can innovate towards something, rather than innovating for the sake of it. you have alluded to it but tell the audience what the notion of

the circular economy is if you take our current economy it is linear, so we ta ke our current economy it is linear, so we take a material, make something out of it but a large proportion gets thrown away, with a circular economy, you design a product, so that you can keep product, components and the material in use for as long as possible, which is recycling and reuse, you eliminate the concept of waste and pollution, which is vital, why would you design anything that becomes waste and you aim to regenerate natural systems and we see potential there when it comes to biodegradable items, that has the ability to rebuild, is it that circular system. thank you very much for talking to us thank you very much for talking to us about it. good luck. news and sport on the way but first the weather. a miscity start for

some. we saw that mist on the grouped in shropshire, it has cleared though, blue skies overhead. been pretty cold overnight. as low as minus4 been pretty cold overnight. as low as minus 4 in county down. minus 3 but as far south as durham and into cheshire, we saw temperatures hovering round freezing. but, after that chilly and in places misty start cracking day ahead, already shaping up nicely, a few exceptions in and round the channel islands, cloud and breeze. one or two isolated showers in scotland. in between, good long sunny spell, light winds and temperatures round about where they should be for the time of year, 12—16 or 17 degrees. degrees. into tonight we start off clear, a lovely sunset in the uk, we will see more cloud pushing into scotland and northern ireland. clea re st of scotland and northern ireland. clearest of skies in england and

wales and anywhere from south—east scotland to midways this is where temperatures will drop back, so again tomorrow morning a few of you could wake up to a touch of frost. in west of scotland and northern ireland, a milder start tomorrow but that will be because you are a weather front moving in, set to bring greater chance of rain as we go into friday. elsewhere, there will be mist and fog in england and wales, chilly start, dry day, sunshine, a few more showers in northern england north wales, but the greatest chance of getting caught by rain will be the showers in northern ireland, same too across scotland, a few heavier ones but sunnyier for many with the cloudiest conditions to end the day, southern scotland, and north wales, temperatures similar to today. to ta ke temperatures similar to today. to take us into saturday morning, fog could be a greater issue for some. especially england and wales, across the midlands, wales and where you see the fog it could linger through the morning, lifting into low cloud. most will have a fine start to the weekend. dry with sunny spell, chance of a shower in parts of

western scotland, especially through the highlands and hebrides but for saturday, slightly milder air and temperatures to the east of scotland, aberdeenshire, eastern england could get up to 18 degree, a fine start to the weekend is because you have high pressure in charge. that keeps things dry for most. much better than it was last sunday, but as you saw there for scotland, northern ireland, another weather front has a go. much of england and wales a fine weekend, and temperatures in the high teens. bye for now. hello, it's thursday, it's ten o'clock, i'm victoria derbyshire. facebook says it's truly sorry to a mum whose baby was stillborn but kept receiving parent—related adverts, even though she used the settings to hide them. anna england kerr says it felt like the ads were unintentionally taunting her. apologies, we have obviously got a

technical problem, just like facebook cried. —— facebook had. facebook‘s admitted there was a bug which it has now fixed. still no progress in brussels on brexit , and the uk's transition out of the eu could last even longer a further idea that has emerged, and it is an idea at this stage, is to create an option to extend the implementation period for a matter of months, and it would only be for a matter of months, but the point is, that this is not expected to be used. the summit takes place to tackle six abuse in the aid sector —— sex abuse. it comes as the government announces britain will pioneer a global database of suspected sexual predators — run by interpol — that charities will be able to access , but not everyone is convinced this will work. slightly bemused by this database, if i'm frank with you, because i believe that anything that will stop perpetrators is important, but first and foremost, we need to tackle the cultures of immunity inside these organisations.

social—media star natalee harris tells us that she regrets promoting brazilian butt lifts after she went through the procedure and that she is terrified at the thought of something going wrong for one of her followers. good morning. now the latest news. conservative mps have reacted angrily to the suggestion that the uk's post—brexit transition period could be extended by as much as a year, during which the british government would continue to pay into the eu's budget and follow its rules. the idea was floated when theresa may met eu leaders in brussels last night. it could mean that the uk would still be in the single market and customs union five years after the brexit vote. arriving at the eu summit for this morning's talks, the prime minister said that the option had emerged to extend the transition period for a matter of months, but that she still expected a deal

to be in place by the end of 2020. the original proposal from the eu was one we could not accept in the uk, it would have created a customs border down the irish sea. earlier in the year, we put forward a proposal of how to deal with this issue, a further idea that has emerged, and it is an idea at this stage, is to create an option to extend the implementation period for a matter of months, and it would only be for a matter of months. but the point is that this is not expected to be used. we are working to ensure we have the future relationship in place by the end of december, 2020. the latest crime figures for england and wales — released in the last half an hour — show there has been a 9% rise in offences recorded by police. the figures also showed that murders are at their highest level for ten years and there was a 12% jump in offences involving a knife or sharp instrument. the figures — published

by the office for national statistics, which cover the 12 months to the end ofjune this year — showed a 19% rise in violent crimes and a 22% rise in robbery, compared to the same period last year. sexual offences recorded by police were also up by 18%. separate data from the crime survey for england and wales also suggest a rise in violence but says there was a slight fall in overall crime. the anonymous crime reporting service, crimestoppers, says it's handling a record number of phone calls and online messages. the charity says one reason is that some callers are struggling to get through to the police. the us has asked turkey for a recording which is said to provide strong evidence that jamal khashoggi was killed inside istanbul's saudi consulate. turkish crime—scene teams were seen leaving the consulate in the early hours of this morning. turkey has accused saudi arabia of murdering the 59—year—old journalist there — a claim saudi officials deny. it comes as the washington post published mr khashoggi's last column

before his disappearance, in which he wrote about the importance of a free press in the middle east. facebook officials have apologised to a woman who repeatedly received parenting—related adverts on her news feed for months after turning off the adverts after her daughter was stillborn. anna england kerr said she felt taunted by adverts for cots, pushchairs and ivf as she came to terms with her baby's death. facebook have admitted there was a bug in its hide ads feature. they say they have now fixed it. the low—cost airline cobalt has cancelled all flights according to a statement on its website. the carrier, which flies to cyprus from heathrow, gatwick, sta nsted and manchester, has suspended operations. it's reported that cobalt had failed to reach a deal with a potential new investor. the duke and duchess of sussex have been greeted by thousands of well—wishers on the third day of their official 16—day tour of australia. the couple met members of the public during a visit to melbourne, before

going on to meet youngsters involved in sporting and environmental projects. the couple then headed down to melbourne beach where they learnt about efforts to minimise threats to wildlife. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. back to you, victoria. thank you for your messages on the interview with anna england kerr and the way facebook target you with tailored adverts. this text, regarding the facebook apology, i am shocked at facebook‘s response, if the upstream had been sent by a private individual, it would be openly recognised as cyber—bullying and it would face the full face of law. —— if the ad stream. we would not tolerate if the adverts were leaflets posted through the door. i wish this brave and very strong young woman support to agree. this

is from jack, just download ad blocker, no more ads. another, how insensitive, stop with the ads altogether to avoid further damage. in the last two weeks, my timeline seems to be... i reported it but no response, hundreds of ads and not acceptable, they do not care, it brings in the dosh. tim says, it is a free product, what did you expect? keep your comments coming in. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. i apologise in advance. let us get some sport with chris. good morning. england's rugby union coach — eddiejones — has named his training squad for next month's autumn internationals. jones has called up eight uncapped players in the 36—man squad. jones had lots of injuries and suspensions to deal with.

so, who is in? gloucester‘s number eight ben morgan is back. he hasn't played since the 2015 world cup. zac mercer also comes in as cover at number eight — a key position at the back of the scrum. the exeter pair of alec hepburn and uncapped ben moon are both?selected as loosehead props — big guys at the front of the scrum. danny ciprinani — player of the month in september — is out. that will be controversial. dylan hartley and owen farrell have been named as co—captains byjones for the first time. the full squad is on the bbc sport website. the weather couldn't stop england winning the third one—dayer against sri lanka. yet another rain delay saw the match reduced to 21 overs per side. they knew they were going to sri

la nka they knew they were going to sri lanka in the monsoon season, so questions will be asked. adil rashid doing the damage for england with the ball, before ben stokes polished off a seven wicket win to give them a 2—0 lead with two to play. rooney's major league soccer team — dc united — were struggling at the wrong end of the table when hejoined, but they're now in sixth place and he's a big factor in their revival. 18 games he's played for them now and he's playing brilliantly for his new club. this is his tenth since joining them in june. let us see it one more time. that's all the sport for now. a social—media star has told this programme that she regrets promoting brazilian butt lifts on instagram. natalee harris, who was a contestant on tv reality show ex on the beach says the cosmetic surgery at a clinic aborad went badly wrong, but she continued to promote the procedure on her social—media accounts. she later had to go do another doctor to rectify the problem. we revealed two weeks ago that

a second british woman, in her late 20s, died after having the proceedure at a foreign clinic abroad. we'll talk to natalee harris in a moment, but first, here's bbc minute's ellie costello with a look at how brazilian butt lifts have taken off, and notjust among women. # oh my gosh # look at her butt.# big bums are everywhere right now. on celebrities, on billboards, even splashed all over instagram. in fact, the number of brazilian bum lift operations have nearly doubled in the past five years, and they're happening in places like this. but despite what we see on social media, it's notjust women wanting a big round bum like kim kardashian that want this procedure done. the british association of aesthetic plastic surgeons believe that men are increasingly demanding surgery like this. men like chris. well, i had no bum, basically. just a terrible flat bum.

i tried everything, i tried underwear with pads in, i tried the gym, doing squats, and just nothing was working at all. i think now ijust want to be walking round in my... well, not quite yet, but when it's all healed and done, i want to be walking round in speedos and having a great time. so it's changed everything. i think there is a growing pressure for men to have this perfect physique, the magazine—cover body, the muscle ripness, and even if it's not the gym physique, there is more of a pressure on the modern man to be dressing better and looking better and be more conscious of food and diet and looks, and i think that's going to have a massive effect on more and more men having plastic surgery. there's been a huge demand for brazilian bum lift operations. there were over 8,000 in 2012, but that increased to over 20,000 last year. we're also seeing an increase in the number of men coming to request a brazilian butt lift, particularly in the gay community, because they want to have a fuller,

rounder buttock, and look better injeans. we have to realise that a brazilian butt lift isn't a fashion statement, it's a surgical procedure and it carries risks. in fact, it carries the highest risk of death of any cosmetic procedure carried out. the procedure involves taking excess fat from areas of your body like your tummy and your arms and transferring it into your behind. we've seen several recent high—profile cases where people have travelled abroad for cheaper surgery, which has proved fatal. after news of a second british woman's death from bbl was revealed, the british association of aesthetic plastic surgeons has warned its members not to perform the procedure until more data is collected. we asked chris why, when knowing the risks, he decided to go through with surgery. i was aware it was very, very dangerous, which makes you think, why would you have that done?

but i trusted in the surgeon and the place i was having it done. i think that's the main reason. i think if i didn't know the surgeon, if i was going abroad, if i'd never been to the clinic, i wouldn't go there. i don't think i would even have teeth done like that, let alone something as invasive as this. let's speak now to natalee harris, who's the ex on the beach star who had bbl surgery at a turkish clinic which went wrong. chloe khan is a play boy model who's had a number of surgeries at a clinic in turkey. jackie lewis is a cosmetic surgeon who thinks it's a very dangerous procedure. why did you decide to have the surgery? i had gone to the gym and

you do not get the results you want. you do not get the results you need, and probably a bit of laziness as well. why did you decide to have it done abroad? more people go over so it is more commonly done, you would think they would know what they are doing. you didn't pay for that, did you? no, not... there was an agreement you would promote the clinic, what happened when you went for that surgery? it was very rushed, i seen another social influencer who went to that clinic so i assumed it was kosher and good, only then when i come back and i started saying about the things that had gone wrong, didn't have any aftercare, that there was no english speaking people, the bum lift itself it was divoted, it was botched. you met the surgeon divoted, it was botched. you met the surgeon for a couple of times. he

was literally, straight two minutes and back out and you go down for surgery and back out and you go down for surgery and and back out and you go down for surgery and no—one and back out and you go down for surgery and no—one speaks english, at this particular clinic i went to. then once you are out of surgery i was in recovery for about seven, eight hours and put back in to my hotel with no doctors, no nurse, weren't you lying? blood all over me, i didn't have a suit on, no drains, buti over me, i didn't have a suit on, no drains, but i didn't have any prior experience so i thought that was normal. it was only when i speak to people they said you are supposed to have a suit, i had no drains. a two minute conversation with the surgeon, minute conversation with the surgeon, did you not think my goodness? i was worried. surgeon, did you not think my goodness? iwas worried. i had surgeon, did you not think my goodness? i was worried. i had one of my friends there, but that is no comfort because obviously my friend doesn't know what is going on either. it was scary, but i was already in there, i was too deep to pull back out. that is how i felt. ? fairenough, fair

pull back out. that is how i felt. ? fair enough, fair enough. why did you then promote that clinic on your social media account? at that point, the picking up from the airport and like all that stuff, was good, so i thought, the correspondence back—and—forth was good, not the surgeon, back—and—forth was good, not the surgeon, the people the corded or natos that was good. i didn't have any knowledge of how i supposed to have, so i didn't know i was supposed to have a suit, a recovery pillow so i thought it was normal and it was only when i started recovering and it started going like a weird shape then i thought this is not right. i started speaking to people who had it dope and they were no, this is not right at all. ijust thought it was normal. as soon as i realised it was wrong, when i put it out on my social media, the amount of people that come forward and said they had been there prior to me going and after me going there, and they hadn't had good experiences at all. do you think they had gone

because you had promoted it” all. do you think they had gone because you had promoted it i would say ten—15 people had gone or booked or paid a deposit. deposit. how did you feel? i was mortified. i was put on my instagram and getting friends to repost it because i felt bad that somebody could go abroad, pay for it and not be happy. chloe, you were influenced too to have this surgery by seeing another celebrity talk about it on instagram. is that right. yes i promoted it myself when i went. but i have had a very good, positive experience in turkey to be honest. ? you went to a different clinic, you went to the clinic where leah cambridge from leeds had a procedure. and that resulted in her death. yes, absolutely tragic. it is the same surgeon as well. so, why have you had it done?” the same surgeon as well. so, why have you had it done? i think it is just the world we live in now, on

instagram. it is so dangerous, it is very instagram. it is so dangerous, it is very common now, instagram. it is so dangerous, it is very common now, it is notjust for a certain type of people any more, everyone is getting surgery, if i am in the hair salon the hairdresser will by am getting a bbl next week and it has become so normal. people are so and it has become so normal. people are so blase about it, even myself, it doesn't seem as serious as it is any more, which is worrying. what procedures have you had done my nose three times because i had a really bad, which was always abroad surgery, bad, which was always abroad surgery, i had to have corrective surgeries after it. i have had my breasts done twice, i had the brazilian but lift and then i got but implants after that so i have had a few surgeries, how old are you? 26. 0h had a few surgeries, how old are you? 26. oh my gosh, chloe. i know. that is is a lot? it is a lot but everyone that i know that is my age

have had the same or more, it is, it is like someone like my mum, would think it is crazy but people my age, it is very a realready. it seems normal, with social media it... when you step back and look at it, it is what are we doing? but it is life as it is. are you going to stop? yes, i don't feel like i have carried on getting surgeries because i am getting surgeries because i am getting them willy—nilly, it is because... if it bothers you. my nose bothered me but it got worse than before, i thought why have i done this. now it is... are you going to stop? i say i have had three breast august documentation. i have had filler, i say i don't want any more but there will be something elsewhere i think, i'm at an age, aim 30 so i want to keep looking good, so i can't say i wouldn't.”

wouldn't rule out things but mosh like there is nothing i want right now. when i am older i will get a face—lift to be honest. now. when i am older i will get a face-lift to be honest. jackie you may well be doing chloe's face—lift in however many years' time. first, how do you react to hearing two young women talk about the fact it is normal to have multiple quite serious procedures before the age of 30. ? serious procedures before the age of 30.?i serious procedures before the age of 30. ?iam serious procedures before the age of 30. ? i am really worried that the industry has trivialised co—cosmetic surgery industry has trivialised co—cosmetic surgery and people treat it as a commodity now and there are lots of people on the band wagon making money out of cosmetic surgery, and we have just heard that you are worried about how people think it is normal, but, there are, there is a risk, we heard about leah dying, and we talked about the risk of bbl, one in 2,000 to one in 3,000 procedures, compared to... to make that clear one in 2,000 to 3,000 people who

have a bbl will die. is that definitely correct? this is a worldwide statistic, so... is that in the uk or the whole.” worldwide statistic, so... is that in the uk or the whole. i feel if that statement was put out there, it would deter loads of people from going. ifi would deter loads of people from going. if i thought that i wouldn't go. what worried me is they are on about stopping do it, legally and thing but there will be a black market and that will cause more problems because place also do it in back alleys and things. your industry body said what our association has advised that large volume fat transfer for bbl should not be performed. that is not to say small volume fat transfer under the skin which is safer can be performed but the bbl concept is injecting large volumes deep within the muscle, and it is completely unsafe,

which is why people die from it, where the vains are injured, with the introduction of the cannula and the introduction of the cannula and the fat, and the large volume is pumped up and it enters the vein, gets into the heart and into the lung, so it is a very dangerous concept, but we talked about this, if you have several operations and don't expect an immediate result, maybe three or four operations, there is a safer way to do it. what is that? as in small... small superficial injections but the cut price clinic i abroad will try and sell someone an ultimate one shot procedure because they can do it cheaply. they do say you need at least two to get... two or three. of course they do. results go down mine has gone downloads already.” course they do. results go down mine has gone downloads already. i want to show our audience a photograph

after your first one, your bottom after your first one, your bottom after your first one. if anybody is ofa after your first one. if anybody is of a weak disposition you may not wa nt to of a weak disposition you may not want to watch this. it is a bruised bottom but this is a photograph of natalee after her first. that doesn't do itjustice, it was horrendous. well that looks pretty awful. i have to be honest. that was after the first one. you still, you had to have nhs treatment, to help you. yes, i went to my doctor because after the first one i had a massive infection and i was bed bound, i couldn't move out of bed for three weeks so i had to have antibiotics and things and because it was completely divoted it looked so it was completely divoted it looked so weird, and then i went back and had it done again. to a different clinic. been yes, buti had it done again. to a different clinic. been yes, but i researched this clinic, i spoke to people who had been there. can ijust say something, i with his going to say, sometimes, for me for example i've not got to turkey cup because it is cheapers i have gone because believe

they can give me the results i was looking for. like you say, british surgeons they can be conservative sometimes and i think the girls these days are not wanting conservative results, which is obviously the danger i think that is why it is as well. if you had known that you had a one in 2,000 to 3,000 risk of death, of dying from this procedure to get the result you want, would you have gone? absolutely not, no. so the one in 1 999 or one in 2999 will be done safely and will have a reasonable result but what a risk, and what a price to pay. absolutely, no. if a woman asked you now should i will have a bbl what would you say?” would say to try to go down the route of diet and exercise but if you are really, then... if it

affects your confidence a much, i don't know. what would you say? it isa don't know. what would you say? it is a hard one. because i had a positive experience. this time, the first imi would have said no. positive experience. this time, the first imi would have said now positive experience. this time, the first imi would have said no. it is cosmetic surgery in general, there is risks with all of us, we are focussing on one procedure, but with the implants it is more dangerous because they do go intramuscular. what is the facts on that briefly? metal places what? when you have the but implants they use metal plates to open your muscle and they put them underneath, very very dangerous, i certainly would guess the risk of that is hiring than a bbl. you are the expert i personally don't do either of these procedures but because it is a controlled odyssey pavilionration they probably do see the veins so there isn't the risk of fat become bolus. claire says it is so worrying. this texter

says, not very impressed these but lift girls are disgraceful. they lead other girls into surgery that does kill some girls. if i was lying about things people would have a go at me for lying, if i promote it, i am damned either way. all we can do is document our understanding experience and be honest about it, if we have had a bad experience we need to say that, if we have had good we are saying what has happened in ourlife. good we are saying what has happened in our life. i would like to say something, social media's not policed, the advertising standards authority cannot police social media, they can tell you what can go on television, and radio and the billboards, but you ladies have such influence, people listen to you, have you thought about, well, thank you for being here, for and telling people about the dangers and about your experiences, but you are an example to our younger generation, let us not trivialise cosmetic

surgery. let us not trivialise cosmetic surgery. i agree. i think let us not trivialise cosmetic surgery. iagree. ithink at let us not trivialise cosmetic surgery. i agree. i think at the, weer with little girls are going up the same way, we have been influenced by the environment that we only be a product of our environment, and i do think social media is very damaging and i think notjust with surgery media is very damaging and i think not just with surgery related social media is a disaster, i find it very stressful. come often then. i want to read this statement from the clinic where natalee had her procedure. they said they couldn't comment on any individual case because of patient confidentiality. but they said they didn't recognise the details we gave them because their patients stay in hospital after treatment, rather than being sent to a villa to recover. they said all of their doctors are board certified and all of their staff speak fluent english. they added that patients are informed about the possible risks and complications of their surgeries before it's carried out. it isa it is a subject we will return to, but thank you for coming on the programme. thank you very much. brexit—backing mps have reacted angrily to the idea that the uk's

transition out of the eu could be extended for another year, to the end of 2021. number 10 refused to rule out an extension after a summit of eu leaders in brussels failed to make progress. the move could buy the two sides more time to come up with a solution to the problem of the irish border. let't get more detail from our poltiical guru, norman smith. fill us in, norman. you thought things were pretty bad for mrs may. over the past 24 hours, even worse. a real storm building up here. over this idea of extending the so—called transition period by another year. the transition period, we leave next march, but there is a 21 month buffer where nothing much changes can restore freedom of movement and paying money to the eu and under the authority of the court. —— the

european court. mrs may are saying we could extend it by another year because brexiteers now take the view brexit is disappearing into never—never land and it is going on and we remain under the authority of the eu. they say, if you cannot get a deal in two years, what difference will another year make? and what about the money, some suggest it could cost up to £18 billion because we would still have to pay annual contributions but we would not get money back for things like the rebate, so the bill could be colossal for a 12 month extension. backin colossal for a 12 month extension. back in brussels, team may, major thunderclouds gathering, mrs may comes out early doors, goes into reverse , comes out early doors, goes into reverse, i am only talking about a few months, just an idea, may never happen. have a listen. a further idea that has emerged, and it is an idea at this stage, is to create an option to extend

the implementation period for a matter of months, and it would only be for a matter of months, but the point is, that this is not expected to be used. that failed to satisfy brexiteers like owen paterson. well, this idea appears to have emerged from the other side in the talks, i don't think it was mentioned in cabinet. for those 17.4 million who voted to leave, and for all those conservative voters who voted to leave the single market, leave the customs union and leave the remit of the european court forjustice, they will be exasperated. the most common phrase for me is, "just get on with it." and if this means more prevarication, more delay, not bringing compression to the commission, to make decisions, it opens up the horror of very large sums of money possibly being handed over, because we get into the next european spending round, so it's pretty unattractive. so, where are we? we are no further

forward , so, where are we? we are no further forward, bluntly, in the brexit process because the eu last night said you have nothing new to say, prime minister, we will not bother with the summit in november. worse for mrs may, picking up this could be morphing into the old leadership question again. brexiteers up in arms, but when you listen to some of the more middle ground mps, they too are getting uneasy, we had one this morning on the programme, nick boles, saying, ordinary mps are now in despair. thank you, norman. yes, he said he was not happy. let's talk to femi oluwole from our future, our choice — a pro—eu campaign group which wants a referendum on whatever deal mrs may eventually gets. if she gets one. and victoria hewson from the institute of economic affairs — a thinktank that promotes free trade. she campaigned to leave the european union. welcome to both of you. first of

all, your reaction to the idea that there might be an extension to the transition period, it was going to end december, 2020, now possibly december, 2021. i am afraid to say i think this discussion of the time period and extending the transition period and extending the transition period is somewhat missing the point. we need to be focusing on the substance of what is going to be in the withdrawal agreement. this is pa rt the withdrawal agreement. this is part of the substance. well, in a sense, it is, but mainly, the problem that people and businesses haveis problem that people and businesses have is they are having a transition period without having a vision of what the transition is to be into. what we are transitioning to. what the transition is to be into. what we are transitioning tom what the transition is to be into. what we are transitioning to. it is a real problem. unfortunately, in the progress since the december report when the idea of the backstop was first introduced, we seem to have spent most of the time on our side certainly, the uk side,

discussing, is it temporary, indefinite or without a specific end point? is it conditional? without actually determining what it is going to comprise and how we get out of it. how do you react to the idea it might be longer before we get out of the eu? very convenient they would choose to extend the transition period right up until almost 2022, the next scheduled general election, it means push it long enough so when the country falls apart, it will fall on labour. you think they will win the next general election? given the tories called the referendum and lead both sides of the referendum debate, negotiated a terrible deal and ultimately responsible for everything, i think they would like to see it fall on labour very much. it might be a total success by then and they would win the next general election. here is why there will not bea election. here is why there will not be a brexit deal. to avoid a hard border in northern ireland, you need similar laws on both sides of the

border. if that happens, you have to muck rejoices, northern ireland... the whole of the uk stays in the rules of the eu, what is the point of brexit? we have given up our role in setting the rules. 0r of brexit? we have given up our role in setting the rules. or you give up northern ireland and split up the uk. three options. break the good friday agreement, break up the uk or end up with less control. no good option for brexit. you are shaking your head. i am shaking my head at the proposition you cannot avoid ha rd the proposition you cannot avoid hard border without harmonisation on both sides of the border. it is perfectly possible and irish revenue commissioners, hmrc, customs experts, they have all put forward propositions allowing you to have an open border without physical infrastructure and routine checks on the border, but having separate regimes for customs and regulations. nobody is saying we will immediately divert completely and throw out all

eu laws and be completely lawless, if you like, but the proposition you need to have unity of harmonised laws and regulations under the jurisdiction of the eu in order to avoid infrastructure isjust not true. where we are now, october the something, i do not know what date it is, 2018, due to leave in march, 2019, what is your assessment of whether you are any closer to getting a second referendum, femi? asl getting a second referendum, femi? as i mentioned before, there is no good deal on the table. to avoid a ha rd good deal on the table. to avoid a hard border... it suits you to say that because you want a second referendum. breaking down the irish border issue properly. no, i am asking you about whether you think you are any closer to a second referendum. we are very close because the direction we are currently heading is not something most people are in favour of and ultimately any party in power will

be answerable to the population and if they deliver a brexit deal people do not want, they will be very angry. we have been asking people why they voted for brexit, more control, better nhs, better. the deal they are offering gives us less control. the british medical association is saying it is bad for the nhs. every impact assessments as we will be worse off. the three things brexit voters asked for, going the exact opposite direction. there should be a vote on that deal, a people's vote is the only democratic way forward and that is why we are marching on saturday that mps pass it back to the people, we tried to negotiate... very briefly, victoria, you are frowning and smiling slightly sardonically. victoria, you are frowning and smiling slightly sardonicallym victoria, you are frowning and smiling slightly sardonically. it is interesting the people on femi's side of the argument originally brought claims... through legal process to say it was about the sovereignty of parliament and now the sovereignty of parliament is proceeding to leave the eu and they

wa nt proceeding to leave the eu and they want another referendum which is curious. in practical terms, want another referendum which is curious. in practicalterms, i want another referendum which is curious. in practical terms, i do not see a route to a second referendum, no majority in the country for it, people cringe at the idea. more importantly from a logistical perspective, there is no appetite in parliament for a second referendum at all. a text, the eu wa nt referendum at all. a text, the eu want us to stay and play. the levers voted to make our own decisions, start now. another says, trying not to say, no deal, walk away. the eu wa nt to say, no deal, walk away. the eu want a hard border with ireland, tell them to pay for it, get trade deals with the rest of the world. time to put the great back in britain. someone is actually saying that in an e—mail! another says, please get may out, she will face a mutiny if she extends the time period. we have had enough of the yea rs of period. we have had enough of the years of arguments, finish it now. this text, they do not leave their name, ithink this text, they do not leave their name, i think the prime minister is doing a cracking job, very strong

under pressure, does not matter how much we have to pay to get out, the savings will be to the british economy afterwards. suggestions that text ca m e economy afterwards. suggestions that text came from her husband, i am absolutely dismissing expert thank you to both of you. —— i am absolutely dismissing. the latest crime figures for england and wales have just come out, they show crime rose by 9% in the 12 months to the end ofjune, and that murders are at their highest level for ten years. our home affairs correspondent, tom symonds, is here. fill us in. it is bad news, really. we have seen this increase in crime figures over the last... this year, really. an uptick in the most serious crimes. the police talk about high harm crimes, people are injured, murders, robberies, that sort of thing. the figures are bad for that. 19% increase in violence against the person, people involved

in home violence against them, 24% increase in robbery with knives, 21% increase in robbery with knives, 21% increase in robbery with knives, 21% increase in possession of knives, a percent increase in murders a month orders, highest the ten years. 22% increase in robbery. overall crime is pretty flat, your chance in being involved in a crime is the same as the year ago, but the high what harm crimes, that is a worry. there is more violence taking place on the streets, possibly fuelled by the state of the economy, austerity, some say the closure of youth clubs is cited as an issue, others talk about social media, gangs taking longer and is because of what they see on social media. the other thing some police officers talk about is the pressure they are under,

increases in recorded crime, and every recorded crime, the police have to do something about it, so thatis have to do something about it, so that is a big concern for them. they say they are finding it harder for example to deal with burglaries. you are example to deal with burglaries. you a re less example to deal with burglaries. you are less likely to get a response. some good news, the chosen one case a police operation may be having an impact. in london, a big problem with scooter goings riding around, going on the pavement, stealing phones. there has been a 33% fall in the number of low paid offences because the police have had a big operation to try to tackle that —— moped fences. and computer viruses, some signs of a slowing there. we may be wising up as it comes to dealing with forest is on our computers. thank you very much. -- dealing with viruses on our

computers. injune this year, this programme investigated international charity medicins sans frontiers — one of the biggest foreign aid agencies in the world — and heard allegations that aid workers had abused their power in the field and exploited vulnerable women. msf, also known as doctors without borders, said at the time that it was deeply saddened by the allegations and would investigate. but the charity was not alone in coming under scrutiny — there were allegations that oxfam staff had hired prostitutes while working overseas, while a damning report from mps in the summer said that the aid sector was guilty of complacency verging on complicity over charities will be able to access it. a reporter has been following this story. help us in. some will say

this is a long time coming, allegations, rumours, about abuse in the sector for years. things came to a head in february a senior member of staff at oxfam was accused of using prostitutes and bringing them back to an oxfam funded compound in haiti. he denied paying for sex but he said mistakes had been made and he said mistakes had been made and he went on to work for another aid agency who did not know about the previous allegations. a few weeks later, brendan cox, husband of the murdered mp jo cox, later, brendan cox, husband of the murdered mpjo cox, and justin forsyth, ceo of save the children, both accused of inappropriate behaviour towards women, slightly different allegations, brendan cox apologised for causing any offence, he denied more serious allegations against him, and justin forsyth apologised for sending inappropriate texts. in june, apologised for sending inappropriate texts. injune, we looked at medecins sans frontieres, one of the biggest aid charities in the world,

we heard some quite similar claims. staff had seen prostitutes being used in the field in kenya and central africa, we got hold of an internal report showing a third of women interviewed said they had been touched inappropriately at work. we then heard from a whistle—blower who said she had heard her boss discussing the possibilities of bartering women for sex in liberia. it is worth pointing out she was not in liberia, it was impossible for us to com pletely completely corroborate the claims. in the clip powering up, you can hear what she said her boss said. it is so easy to barter medication with easy girls in liberia. he was suggesting lots of the young girls who had lost parents to the ebola crisis, they would do anything sexual in exchange for medication. when you heard your boss used the phrase barter medication with girls, what did you think he meant? sex in

exchange for medication. had he been there himself? yes, he bragged about it quite a lot. to say it in front of three, four people there and to say it directly, what is it about? what did medecins sans frontieres say? they say they were deeply saddened by a allegations and they wa nted saddened by a allegations and they wanted to investigate but the problem is the women coming forward wa nted problem is the women coming forward wanted to remain anonymous but they say they hope the sun the database would help more women come forward. i started by asking martha how the database would work so what has been proposed is to work with interpol, the global criminal records agency, to ensure that aid agencies around the world, not just

to ensure that aid agencies around the world, notjust in the uk have access the most up—to—date criminal records data, so this is an exciting proposal, because it will help our organisations stop perpetrator trays of abuse getting this but rooting them out once they are in. at the same time interpol has committed to growing the capacity of local organisations and local criminal agencies, to make sure that data is being collected in the first place. so it is comely kated, it is not a silver bullet but it's a huge step forward. it will work? i hope, so i certainly do. the only problem will be is those people who haven't actually had a criminal record won't show up on it, so there has to be something more than that, i think. we have to have an access to a database that we have to have an access to a data base that shows we have to have an access to a database that shows where people have been accused of it, and it has been proven but it is not enough to been proven but it is not enough to bea been proven but it is not enough to be a criminal record. two databases you think? one hole one buzz that wouldn't go through interpol because interpol wouldn't be interested in people who have been accused, but actually aren't bad enough to be prosecuted. so we need a database, i

believe, that organisation plug—in to, because you can't have somebody who has lower level sexual abuse it is not rape. what is lower level sexual abuse? it is not criminal, thatis sexual abuse? it is not criminal, that is the difference. you mean they having been caught yet. they haven't necessarily done a criminal act and therefore they need to be on the database act and therefore they need to be on the data base so act and therefore they need to be on the database so they are shown to be predator, but they have not been prosecuted for anything, because you have to have a high bar to prosecute somebody for it to be successful, andl somebody for it to be successful, and i think what we have to do is look at the lower level because there is a much lower level abuse that isn't prosecutable because cbs and people won't prosecute unless it is cast iron. that is where the problem will be, but i still think it is worth starting and worth doing but it has to be a wider database than criminality. where are you on this? databases only work when there

isa this? databases only work when there is a will to deal with the issues, so, when it comes to prosecution, first and foremost, there has to be a process in place where people can be prosecuted, and it needs to be stated clearly that so far, in the high profile case its that have come forward , high profile case its that have come forward, especially in hate theyty, individuals were allowed to leave the country and get on with aura lives. allowed by their own colleagues. yes, i am bemused by this database if i am frank, believe that anything will stop perpetrators is important. we need to tackle the churl of immunity, in headquarters in london, in paris other capitals in europe, there are people who have been accused of sexual assault, people who have been accused of harassment, they are not crossing border, they are working in the headquarters so first we need to boost confidence in the people who have been victimised by this type of abuse, they will be believed when

they. co—forward abuse, they will be believed when they. co—forwa rd and abuse, they will be believed when they. co—forward and the first thing we need is a better and stronger robust system which might be independent of all the aid organises so independent of all the aid organises so when we have that database and everything else will help but a database by everything else will help but a data base by itself everything else will help but a database by itself will not solve anything. my concern is is this is a puff piece of work. a pr job and thatis puff piece of work. a pr job and that is not just puff piece of work. a pr job and that is notjust you saying that, others have said it. i don't think thatis others have said it. i don't think that is true, i agree with a lot of what has been said. it has to come alongside other changes and that is why the summit is so with, because we are, i hope going to see a raft of changes from organisations, committing to change their culture, improve their systems, but also, improve their systems, but also, improve information sharing, so those people who are dismissed, who are the result of a zero tolerance culture don't just are the result of a zero tolerance culture don'tjust get employed again but this system itself is genuinely important, it is something that save the children has been working on for a couple of year, we approached interpol, we think this is one way we can get

approached interpol, we think this is one way we can get access approached interpol, we think this is one way we can get access to really robust data and root out the criminal level but it has to go alongside cultural change, system change and improve processes inside organisations. there is one campaigner on sexual exploitation, a woman from paula don can, from an organisation that highlights abuses in un agency, she says the summit itself is just for public relations purposes because survives of sexual abuse worldwide are struggling to make their voices heard, the. co—plaint is they are not involved in the summit. their pain and suffering should never been exploited for public relations or damage control purpose. in the un they are looking to promote more women so they are looking to promote more women so there they are looking to promote more women so there are they are looking to promote more women so there are notjust powerful men, that all the people at the top are men and they are trying promote more women. what about the comment from paula donovan, survivors are left out. they should have been

involved. that is outrageous. it is. the onus should not be on women to change the culture, it should be on the people who run this, which are men. what is happening is power is reinforcing power and the majority of power is white male privileged power so of power is white male privileged power so i find it very incredible that women, the burden has been put further on women to change the culture, i believe strongly that if these organisations do want to change the culture, the first thing they need to do is open up dialogue with those victims and survivors and they haven't been part of this conference. it isn'tjust they haven't been part of this conference. it isn't just white privileged men, that is aid industry in this country and other, but a lot of it is with locally employed people in other countries and they will be black, asian where ever they are from and they are perpetrators the and we need to root them out as well. we can deal with it in this country, we can deal with it in the

un, in time, i won't be quick, but it is down at grant roots level... i agree with you, the men are involved, but there are laws in those countries that can deal with those countries that can deal with those people, if the organisation wa nt those people, if the organisation want to refer them to the authorities. there has not been a will within that, the organisations, including i have to say save the children, there has been no will, we know of high profile people who haven't been perpetrators and they haven't been perpetrators and they have left and got away with it, i don't know what they are doing now, but they did get otherjobs, within the aid industry and they had to resign. overnight, cypriot airline cobalt has suspended operations and cancelled all its flights. the budget carrier, which flies to heathrow, gatwick, sta nsted, and manchester, says passengers shouldn't go to the airport. the news comes after the danish airline, primera air, collapsed earlier this month, leaving thousands of passengers stranded.

joining me via webcam from liverpool is david foster. he and his family had booked a half—term holiday to larnaca, in cyprus, where they go every year. they were due to fly out on saturday on a cobalt flight but have been left in limbo by the news. iam "ed, i am "ed, diknow what to do about it, i have booked through an online agency and they are not helpful because they need official confirmation so i am left in limbo. 48—hours, it is ticking away and i wa nt to 48—hours, it is ticking away and i want to go on holiday. hopefully we can give you some advice from trish, who is here. trish, commissioning editor at the telegraph travel, what would you say to people like david from there are three-ways of looking at it. if you have booked with a tour operator, a travel agents, which has got licensed by the government —— atos scheme you can get a full refund, if you are stranded, if you are there, they can get you a terntive flights back home, if you have booked independently, off your own back you can look at the consumer section 75

of the consumer credit act 1974 which says you can get a full refund through your credit card company, but you have to bear in mind, that that only means that you get a refu nd that only means that you get a refund for the flight, if you are already stranded you would have to check if you have travel insurance, and then, look at booking another alternative flight back home. all right. david i am sorry, thank you for coming on the programme. i hope something is sorted for half—term and trish, thank you to your time. thank you. we all see personalised adverts on our facebook news feeds, but what happens when those adverts make you cry? anna england kerr's daughter clara was stillborn in june. she used facebook‘s settings to turn off parenting— related adverts for a year, but still saw them on her news feed months later — she told me which kind of adverts she saw, and how they made her feel. baby ba by blanket, cots,

baby blanket, cots, cribs mobiles, the list is endless, and i might have been interested, i would have been a great contender for all of the ads, if everything had been fine. then it wasn't. i became the least likely person to buy any of those things, and facebook new that, andi those things, and facebook new that, and i wanted them to stop. and how did they know that? so, in everybody can did they know that? so, in everybody ca n a ccess did they know that? so, in everybody can access their ad preferences, and they very helpfully have probably realised there are cases such as ours, where you reallyjust can't handle seeing, being inundated with baby preference, other options are to taufrn adverts about alcohol, they are notjust random topic, they are important occurrences in your life, so i, i switched it to hide parenting ads and i thought that would help. it did nothing, so i tried to go into the more detailed

ad settings and i turned off anything that possibly be related to baby, parenting, family, home, i think, like unclicking everything i could find. that didn't work either so could find. that didn't work either soi could find. that didn't work either so i then, i started reporting all of the ads, so you can click on the ad and say it isn't have rant to me, idid ad and say it isn't have rant to me, i did that for every ad, and you have to understand when you have just lost your child, you are exhausted. there are is nothing that i have found, that is more exhausting than grief, and you are trying to piece together your world again. and facebook is important, because you can share, you can find people who are going through the similar things like you, and you find a community that can help you through things, and we used it to tell our friends as well, because it means you are not endlessly having the same conversation, and listening

to their disbelief and their pain, you can concentrate on yourself. facebook have apologised to anna, saying, "we are truly sorry for the additional pain we've caused anna and we're grateful to herfor coming forward to share her experience. we've looked into this issue and found that for a few weeks earlier this year, our hide ad topics feature had a bug, and during this time, ads from those topics may have appeared, even when people had chosen to hide them. while the bug has since been fixed, we recognise that we need to continue to invest in our machine learning models to improve detection and prevention of these ads." bbc newsroom live is coming up next. thank you for your company today. have a good day. it is set to be a fine and dry day

for many of us. the scene at the moment for a weather watcher in suffolk, replicated for many parts of the uk. a bit of cloud across central and southern areas still breaking up to give a few bright spells from time to time and a bit of cloud moving into the far north—west of scotland. for many of us, keep that sinton. —— that sunshine. through tonight, clear skies again for many. quite night. patchy frost affecting central and north eastern areas of england, more cloud on the far north—west of scotland, keeping temperatures up to 10 degrees, otherwise temperatures in single figures. friday, patchy rain across scotland, particularly the west, for many of us on friday, another dry day with sunshine after another dry day with sunshine after a chilly start, temperatures up to

14-17d. a chilly start, temperatures up to 14—17d. bye—bye. you're watching bbc newsroom live — it's11am and these are the main stories this morning: britain could stay under eu rules for even longer, after the latest talks in brussels failed to make any progress. an idea at this stage is to create an option to end the implementation period for a matter of months, and it would only be for a matter of months, but the point is that this is not expected to be used. the brexit secretary insists the prime minister has the cabinet's support but there's anger among some mps about the idea of a longer transition. the us asks turkey to hand over a surveillance recording —

said to provide strong evidence that the journalist jamal khashoggi was murdered in the saudi consulate in istanbul. murders in england and wales are at their highest level for ten years — that's according to new figures.