hello it's friday, it's nine o'clock, i'm joanna gosling, welcome to the programme should you be allowed to legally decide what gender you are without having to pass any tests or consult a doctor? for the past four months the government has been gathering public opinion on a shake up of the law governing how people change their gender. as that consultation period comes to an end we ask a group of transgender people what they kind of changes they'd like to see. parents whose children were killed fighting the islamic state terror group travel to syria to see for themselves where their loved ones died — and how they've been honoured by those they fought alongside. iam proud. i am proud. i am iam proud. iam proud of i am proud. i am proud of my daughter, very much. i also feel a lot of sadness. i'm now connected with the struggle of the people here. we'll be joined by chris scurfield whose son was the first british man to be killed fighting with kurdish forces against is in syria.

what would it take for you to part with petrol and embrace electric? politicians are calling for a ban on sales of petrol and diesel cars to be brought forward by eight years to 2032 — saying current targets are vague and unambitious. it's part of a renewed effort to put the uk at the heart of the green revolution. welcome to the programme. we're live until 11 this morning. do get in touch on all the stories we're talking about — use the hashtag #victorialive. if you're emailing and are happy for us to contact you — and maybe want to take part in the programme — please include your phone number in your message. if you text, you'll be charged at the standard network rate. our top story today: plans for a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars should brought forward by eight years as a way of getting more of us to go electric. that's the verdict of mps who say that rather than coming into force

in 2040, the ban should begin by 2032. our business correspondent theo leggett has the details. our city streets are heavily polluted and traffic takes much of the blame. the government says it wants to ban the sale of conventional diesel and petrol powered cars and vans by 2040, and to make sure that all new cars are effectively zero—emission. the committee thinks that plan's too vague and doesn't go far enough. it wants the target brought forward by eight years, and to ensure the ban covers all but the cleanest hybrid cars as well. mps also think the charging network for electric vehicles is simply not fit for purpose, and they've condemned the government decision to reduce the grants available for buyers of electric cars. electric is the future, so the challenge is, how do we make electric possible? that means rolling out the charge points, which will encourage manufacturers to manufacture more cars if they know that people

are going to buy them because people no longer have that range anxiety. but bringing the ban forward would be farfrom easy. sales of electric cars have been rising fast, but they still make up a tiny percentage of the market. plug—in hybrids, which have normal engines but can run on electric power for short distances, also have a very small share. with more than 31 million cars on the road, phasing out petrol and diesel will certainly be a challenge. in fact, the society of motor manufacturers and traders says bringing the target forward by eight years would make it nigh on impossible to meet. the government hasn't responded to the criticisms directly, but a spokesman said it wanted the uk to be the best place in the world to build and own an electric vehicle, and it outlined measures for a major improvement in charging infrastructure. theo leggett, bbc news. let us know what you think about

that. do you drive an electric vehicle, do you think it would be a goodidea vehicle, do you think it would be a good idea to get one? annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the rest of the days news. the radical preacher anjem choudary has been released from jail. the 51—year—old was jailed for inviting support for islamic state in 2016. he's considered one of the most influential and dangerous radicalisers in the uk because of his connection to a long line of terrorism suspects. he was halfway through a five and a half year sentence and will be subject to a strict supervision regime now he is leaving prison. we'll get more from our correspondent shortly on this. us president donald trump says he believes the missing washington postjournalist, jamal khasshoggi , is dead — and the consequences for saudi arabia could be severe

if its involvement is confirmed. it comes more than two weeks after he was last seen — he was entering the saudi consulate in istanbul, where turkish officials say he was murdered. police are searching forests and farmland nearby. we are waiting for some investigations and waiting for the results. and we'll have them very soon. and i think we will be making a statement, very strong statement. but were waiting for the results of about three different investigations. theresa may will outline her vision of a post—brexit britain to asian leaders at a summit in brussels today — but there's been no let up in the criticism of her strategy. both leavers and remainers in her party are said to be upset about the idea of extending the transition period to the end of 2021. theresa may insists the government hasn't formally proposed this idea but rather that it's been suggested during talks to try to resolve the current deadlock. the father of a man who died after being assaulted at a block of flats in south london, has said his son frequently confronted drug dealers on the estate. a murder investigation was launched

after the 16—year—old, named locally as ian tomlin, was killed in battersea on wednesday afternoon. police were called to reports of a fight, and mr tomlin‘s father claimed that his frequent pleas with dealers to move away from his home may have caused the argument. health care professionals need to improve the way they talk to patients about death, according to a new report. nearly half of all lives end in hospitals, but the royal college of physicians says many health workers lack confidence when it comes to telling a patient of a terminal diagnosis. 0ur health correspondent dominic hughes reports. talking about death is never easy, but linda knows how important it can be for patients who are dying and their families. when her husband graham was seriously ill four years ago, linda found medical staff struggled with the conversation. they literally just said you've got weeks to live. and sadly, it was done in an environment

that wasn't private. as i say, there were five people round the bed. pages were going off at the same time. it was very chaotic. had left a real feeling of time. it was very chaotic. had left a realfeeling of guilt, because i should have done more. i should have done more because that was a private moment, a really significant moment for him. nearly half of all deaths in england are in hospitals. one in three adults admitted to hospital as an emergency is in the last year of their life. but only 4% of patients have talked about end—of—life care with a doctor. as doctors they will be seen as a failure for saying we can't necessarily prolong your life and they are worried about the reaction they'll get. the second is we don't always have the confidence as doctors or the training or the experience to have those conversations sensitively and the third thing is we don't always have the time or the privacy, or the right information, we worry about rushed conversations done badly.

so i think there are some practical considerations. the royal college says talking honestly about dying is an essential part of making sure there is compassionate care at the end of life. around 13 million adults in the uk live in areas where at least half the local banks and building societies have closed. bbc anaylsis of data from the office for national statistics has found, nearly 6000 local branches have shut since 2010. uk finance, which represents banks in the uk, says branches are only closed as a last resort. prince harry has launched this year's invictus games for sick and injured service personnel in sydney, australia. he climbed the city's harbour bridge, to reveal the games' flag, after a barefoot stroll along bondi beach with his wife, the duchess of sussex. 0ur sydney correspondent hywel griffith reports. barefoot on bondi, the day started with a relaxed feel... if that's possible with hundreds of people watching every step. the royals came to experience fluro friday, a way of supporting people tackling mental health

problems by meeting up for a chat and a surf at the beach, as well as a group hug, of course. prince harry said something that really stuck out for me, if you're struggling, reaching out for help is not a weakness, it's a sign of strength so it's going to show people around the world that mental health does not discriminate. prince harry may be sixth in line to the throne, but in australia, he polls as the nation's favourite royal. while a clear majority of the people here want the country to become a republic, with every visit, the crowds have still turned out. the trip here to bondi was another example of the royal couple wanting to be seen to be approachable, hands—on, huggable even. in reality, every step of the tour is tightly choreographed and it happens under intense security. the helicopters circled as prince harry ascended sydney harbour bridge to raise the invictus flag, the games

for wounded service men and women are they real reason for this visit. tomorrow's opening ceremony may, for a little while at least, take the attention away from his impending parenthood. broadcaster rachael bland's podcast, "you, me and the big c", documenting her life with cancer, has been named best new radio show at the audio, radio and industry awards. the bbc radio 5 live presenter, who has been praised for her inspirational honesty and courage, died last month at the age of 40, almost two years after being diagnosed with breast cancer. her husband steve accepted the award, saying it would have that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 9.30. sport in a moment, and then we will be looking at the debate about whether it should be easier to

change your gender, or if it might make it easier for predatory men to gain access to women only spaces. throughout the morning — use the hashtag #victorialive and if you text, you will be charged at the standard network rate. let's get some sport... the fa calling for action after some vile abuse was sent the way of the chelsea and england midfielder karen carney? karen carney — who plays for chelsea — is one of england's most successful footballers. she's has won 133 caps for her country since making her international debut in 2005. after wednesday's champions league win over fiorentina she received messages on instagram. they were vile. the posts began: "how many chances you need to score in second half?" before making rape and death threats. the fa saying it is "appalled" and "dismayed", but carney will not be

reporting it to police. it has provoked this response from the england manager. england boss phil neville described the messages as "absolutely disgraceful". chelsea have released a statement saying this kind of abuse is abhorrent and totally unacceptable. lewis hamilton, big weekend ahead? after winning six of his last seven races. it's potentially a huge weekend for lewis hamilton. he could win his fifth formula one world tile at the us grand prix if everything goes his way in texas. in fact he could finish outside the top three on sunday and still win the title. hamilton is 67 points clear of his rival sebastian vettel — with only 100 available over the remaining four races. he is well clear. if he does it, he'll sitjoint second in the all time list of winners, with only the great michael schumacher ahead of him,

but he's not taking anything for granted this weekend. none of us are saying how cool it would be if it happened this weekend, or the next. we're not focusing on ifs, we're focused on making sure we deliver. there's still 100 points available, so you can just never be complacent in life, and in a championship as intense as this, you know? we expect ferrari to punch back hard here this weekend, so we can't be relaxed in any way, shape or form. and one of the highest try scorers is going stateside? christian wade has dramatically left rugby union side wasps to pursue a career in the nfl. the winger, who won one england cap in 2013 and toured with the british and irish lions that year, is understood to have played his last game of rugby union. so he wants to go from that. to this!

the glamorous world of gridiron or american football, where roughly a player earns $2 million a season, compared with say half a million in rugby's premiership. wade has scored a lot of tries, he's third in the list of all—time premiership try—scorers list with 82, and he's the biggest name to quit rugby union and attempt the transition. that's all the sport for now. today the government's public consultation into reforming the gender recognition act will close. the act introduced in 2004 lays out the formal process and legal framework for changing your gender. very few people go through the official process which stipulates that someone must have lived as their gender for at least two years and had a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria. only 4910 people have done it

in the last 1a years — just a fraction of the uk's trans community which is estimated to be as large as 600,000 people. theresa may promised to change the law after lgbt rights groups and members of the trans community said the process was humiliating and outdated. but plans for reform have garnered opposition from some women's rights groups who say it will allow predatory men to commit abuse more easily against women. in a moment, we'll be speaking with three members of the trans community. first let's hear from some of those who feel their voices have been ignored as the debate has become more intense and more polarised. we brought together radical feminist louise and fay — who describes herself as a radical transgender feminist — to share their thoughts on this issue. # trans rights are not a debate! if i feel like a woman, and you didn't even know i wasn't

a woman, then what's the problem? it's kind of like, if anyone can identify as a woman, then what is a woman? hi, my name's louise. my name's fay louise. i describe myself as a radical feminist. i identify as a rational transgenderfeminist. i have been silenced because my opinion doesn't fall into line with the others. we are silenced by being called transphobic. why is this even a debate?

for me, i really want women's spaces to be protected, because, you know, women can be vulnerable in certain situations. so i think having our women's spaces open to people who may self identify as a woman, i think that is quite dangerous, to be honest. i'm all for protecting women's spaces, but as a trans woman like me, to go into a woman's space, that is me trying to protect my space. if i feel like a woman, and you didn't even know i wasn't a woman, then what's the problem? is itjust the people that you can visibly see aren't? i think the issue really is, you may feel like a woman, but there are two sexes. there's men and women. and womanhood is not identity. it's a physical reality. you mean, like, ovaries, giving birth, etc? no, ijust mean in terms of rape, fgm, all of these things, you know, for centuries we've been oppressed on the physical

nature of our bodies. and i think that's something that really needs to be taken into consideration. it's kind of like, if anyone can identify as a woman, then what is a woman? i am a woman. i am a woman in my mind, and my body has been adjusted so it is physically a female. the perception of a trans person is, you know, big man, in a big dress, scary, kind of predator. and that's just not what it is. and ifeel like a lot of the feminists, even radical feminists, are seeing such a radical side of the transgender world we live in. and they're just focusing on that. does everyone have a voice in this debate? no. i believe, unfortunately, the loudest and more garish

are being put to the forefront, and i don't believe that represents me or many other segments of the community. just because you put someone who is sensational and going to create a headline, doesn't mean they actually represent the full community. that's what was scaring me. from my perspective, i would say that any woman's voice that doesn't agree with trans, or any of the new gender ideology, we are silenced by being called transphobic. i really feel like it's defamation of character. because that's not me at all. i'm not inciting violence or anything like that. but i want to protect women's spaces. and that's what i want to do. why am i not allowed to voice that opinion? i feel like you must have only come across the radical side of it. because if you'd met me, maybe some of my people, i genuinely feel like we would have been having cups of tea, having a proper chat.

the whole no debating, no you can't talk about it. thatjust doesn't make any sense. how is progress going to be made if we do not have a debate, and everybody‘s voices heard? do you think people have been silenced in this debate? 100%. i was advised, you know, don't show your face. use a different name. because, unfortunately, so many women that have spoken up about this issue, where they feel uncomfortable, they've been demonised, they've been called transphobic. it's scary, you know? they don't want people thinking i'm transphobic, because i'm not. i'm not at all. but i refuse to be silenced. yeah, a lot of women have been silenced, and continue to be silenced. and i think this is why this is really actually quite ground—breaking, because it's opening up the conversation, which is what needs to happen. i agree, there's so many women out there like me who are scared to go on to these groups.

because our opinion is so different, because we don't want to fight, we don't want to argue. so we're back away and our voice is silenced like that. a lot of us aren't told to shut up. a lot of us see it and go, oh, god, the drama. we've had enough drama. my life, and a lot of others, it's been so up and down. the journey is just crazy. and that was the reason i stepped forward, because i went, hang on a second, i can handle probably a lot of name—calling, and i'm not going to be silenced because i know there's women out there that want to be women. and that's what's getting lost. i think actually, gender can be really destructive. you know, "women should be like this, men should be like that." and if you don't fit in, you can be whatever you want. you can act however you want. because gender's a role. you know. and not everyone's going to fit into that role. it's been presented as if it's kind of progressive. and in my opinion it is not progressive at all. because what they're saying is, you know, i identify as this because i don't fit

in with these gender roles. so really, what that is doing is validating those gender roles. sex is completely different to gender. i think that's what really needs to be understood here. ijust think the essence of how united we all were once upon a time, to now, is so devastating. that's the destructive format. trans women have stood with women before we were even fighting for trans rights, we fought with you for women's rights. 0ur needs don't overpower women's needs. 0ur needs as a whole can come together. this is such an important issue of our time that, you know, people do really need to come out and speak about it. for me, as much as i'm scared, i feel it's my duty as a woman to come here and to have this conversation with you, and to voice my opinion, which i feel is shared by a lot of women. i feel the silence now is maybe just starting to wear off, because a lot more people, like us, why we are here today, are sitting down and having a debate. how do you think it went? i'm really pleasantly surprised by how it went, to be honest.

louise and fay airing the issues around it. let's talk about this issue now with three members of the trans community, journalist jane fae, broadcaster india willoughby and campaigner rory darling. welcome, all of you. it all started with the government saying, 0k, welcome, all of you. it all started with the government saying, ok, the gender recognition act needs to change, because people are finding it offensive and difficult to live with. should it have degenerated into the debate where it is now? absolutely not. the whole thing is a false prospectus. giving at ten or 12 years, i think the gender recognition act will almost fade away. it was very necessary in 200a. the reasons why it was pretty much evaporating now. explain why it was necessary then but not now? this will give some people nightmares, 1970, you could change your gender as he wished. no courts, nothing. then there was a famous model,

marrying a wealthy person, they wa nted marrying a wealthy person, they wanted to annul the marriage. it went to court and the court decided they could not have been married, because april, despite being trans, was a man. from 1970 onwards, there was a man. from 1970 onwards, there was very few rights for trans people and that was put right in 2004, and going back before 2004 you would have to repeal all human rights legislation in this country. since 2004, we now have equal marriage, we now have equal insurance, so, this idea i wanted to transition to get cheaper motor insurance, i can't do that. pensions, a small group of people who will benefit from a slightly better pension. but that will go away in a few years. so i don't have a gender recognition certificate, i don't need one to go into a changing room or to go to the loo. the idea it would give

predatory men some advantage, no, predatory men some advantage, no, predatory men some advantage, no, predatory men are predatory. and it isa predatory men are predatory. and it is a process you have chosen to go through? why did you choose to go through? why did you choose to go through the process? basically it is just rubber—stamping the end of the journey i have been on. i've been through the process, and it'sjust wraps things up. that is who i am, i have always known that i have been female, an adult human female, which is now used to... i don't really get why that is supposed to be an attack on somebody like me. i don't even use the prefix trans, to be honest, i'mjusta use the prefix trans, to be honest, i'm just a woman. i don't go around normal everyday life introducing myself as a trans woman, i'm just a woman, simple as that. is it a debate that gets visited on you and you are forced to... it is, you know what, johanna konta in many ways it has ruined my career. i am a journalist at the end of the day, but i am now classed as an activist. if you are trans and you have been

on thatjourney, you get if you are trans and you have been on that journey, you get tagged as an activist for some reason. i have no interest in this topic, really, any more. i have been through it, i find it boring, it has become horribly toxic. it is because a very small minority of hard—line feminists have this idea, which is preposterous, it is a b—movie plot, that's a man is going to go away, register with a solicitor in front ofa register with a solicitor in front of a witness, giving their original name and address, and then trot out toa name and address, and then trot out to a changing room or a toilet and attack a woman, wave a piece of paperand attack a woman, wave a piece of paper and say, attack a woman, wave a piece of paperand say, i'm attack a woman, wave a piece of paper and say, i'm sorry, rozzers, attack a woman, wave a piece of paperand say, i'm sorry, rozzers, i know you have turned up, but you can't get me, and the police are going to say, there's nothing we can do, they've got a certificate! rory, i would like rory to introduce himself and tell us where you are in

this debate? i'm currently about to go on this debate? i'm currently about to goona this debate? i'm currently about to go on a waiting list to receive a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. i'm in the very early stages. the gender recognition certificate is something i will be going after. why is that? it is quite simply because i want to be seen for who i truly am in the eyes of the law. and i think it is very important that trans people are validated, especially with all of the media backlash and all of the struggles and barriers that we have to face in day—to—day life. i think that the government really needs to side with us on this. it's a backdrop respecting people on a basic human level. what about the point being made in that conversation, that, actually, when people are with you, they see you as the person you identify with, paper behind it, anything else behind it,

is kind of irrelevant. you are operating in society and being treated as you are. when this debate becomes a wider issue, how does that impact on you? do you feel that you are treated in the way that you should be? i think it is difficult. it's a complex issue. i think, ultimately, having the legal recognition that i am my gender identity is very affirming. it may be vast majority of cases i am seen for who i really am. i will always have that nagging thing in the back of my head saying, legally, your birth certificate, it says you are a female. that is very... it feels almost quite degrading. india, i wa nted almost quite degrading. india, i wanted to come back on what you were saying about the feminist concerns, the concerns of some women around

them being able to get into female only spaces, and their sense of vulnerability around that. that is what has made this become so toxic and difficult to talk about sometimes. there have been examples of things happening that have given rise to people saying, you know, there are examples, there was the case of karen white, who was transitioning from male to female, attacked some women in a female prison. there was apology is made for the fact she was in a female prison. in canada, there was an incident with a male get into a women's refuge in attacking vulnerable women there. do you understand the sense of vulnerability that people may have? completely, i think those concerns are absolutely legitimate, but at the end of the day, a prisoner, whether male or female, has a string

of sex convictions against them, then they shouldn't be in with other prisoners, it is as simple as that. it is not a trans issue as such, it isa it is not a trans issue as such, it is a failing of the prison service in terms of placing that person in the particular area. in terms of placing that person in the particulararea. now, i do not know what has gone on in the karen white incidents, whether people may have been confused or scared, because how the debate has become, people actually scared of asking questions, and they have maybe put this person in the prison, but i do not think there is a trans person who would endorse that think that was the right thing. yes. that is a case in point, but first of all that happened under the prisons system, so it would happen one way or the other. second, safeguarding is obviously the first concern, and in that case, i have been working in the prison service vandoorne for a long while, and what is very

strange, what is very strange is the number of prisoners who are low risk, somebody who on any account should have been a red light, red line, whatever you want to call it, if you were a conspiracy theorist, you would say maybe somebody wanted to make it look bad. at the same time, there was a horrendous incident where someone who was lesbian was found to be abusing people in a lesbian was found to be abusing eo le in a women's lesbian was found to be abusing people in a women's prison. do we now segregate according to sexuality? you know, it has even been claimed that there might be a conspiracy theory element behind this. do you know what, it has crossed my mind that, on the day that this prisoner came in, that the people behind the desk vetting what they were going to do, who knows, it could well have been somebody who thought, do you know what, i have strong feelings on this topic, let's

put this person... you know, these are your theories. no, no, i amjust saying... people are very strong concerns, it is one single incident that has given rise to concerns...” am not saying that i feel that, but the level of debate, the suspicion, if you like... that is what it boils down to, fear and ignorance. let's bring in some viewer comments, because we are getting a lot of people getting in touch with equally strong views on this. chris on e—mail, i was led to believe your gender was defined by dna, people can have all the operations and procedures they want, but you cannot change your dna. 0nce procedures they want, but you cannot change your dna. once a man, always a man. neville says, the number of men who become women for predatory reasons are so rare, people who believe they are born in the wrong body have to go through so much

surgery body have to go through so much surgery and still face a stigma, why would a decent person go through this if they didn't really feel they we re this if they didn't really feel they were born into the wrong sex? isabel on twitter, many women only services, such as refuges, already operate a self id policy and report it works well, and the government has made clear the consultation would not affect the existing equality act, so the idea of men infiltrating women's spaces would not hold up. kay says, i have many may think they are women who can move into my women only space if they have not had a full transition, if they have a venus, they are not a woman, if they want to be a woman, they need a regina. people watching this they feel this unpalatable and difficult to hear. it has not changed at all, the whole thing, who can go in which space, have you ever been asked for a birth certificate when you want to pee? no. the gender recognition act changes your birth certificate, your rights to go into a space one way or the other are

totally governed by separate law, and quite frankly, exactly as india said, ifa and quite frankly, exactly as india said, if a man and quite frankly, exactly as india said, ifa man is going and quite frankly, exactly as india said, if a man is going to be predatory, will they go through a process , predatory, will they go through a process, a false prospectus, waking up process, a false prospectus, waking up in the morning and identifying? no, there will be court procedures, forms to fill out, there will still bea forms to fill out, there will still be a fee, we suspect, and i have beenin be a fee, we suspect, and i have been ina be a fee, we suspect, and i have been in a consultation, and no—one wa kes been in a consultation, and no—one wakes up in the morning and turns into a wakes up in the morning and turns intoa man wakes up in the morning and turns into a man or a woman, it is a process , into a man or a woman, it is a process, and if a man wants to be predatory, do they go through a process that will still take a month, six weeks or whatever? 0r process that will still take a month, six weeks or whatever? or do they put on a cleaner‘s jacket and walk into a loop? really quick points here, the person who contacted you to say, born a man, always a man, that is a bit like i see it as if someone is born paralysed, or born crippled in some way, and medical science allows them to walk, would you go around saying you were born a cripple, you will

always be a cripple, no matter what science can do for you, next time i see you, i will call you a cripple? you would not do it, it is decency. the thing about a trans woman having a penis, i have a lot of sympathy for that argument, and a penis, i have a lot of sympathy forthat argument, and it a penis, i have a lot of sympathy for that argument, and it is one of the problems that i think the likes of stonewall, they played their hand badly for lots of reasons, i think they have expanded the words transgender to encompass so many different people that quite honestly, even though i have been through the transgender thing, it is really difficult. you can ask a hundred people watched transgender means and get a hundred different answers. so in that sense, i think it is -- it answers. so in that sense, i think it is —— it has confused the public. finally, the term being used, self id is finally, the term being used, self idisa finally, the term being used, self id is a terrible name, and it has caused a lot of confusion, because it is not self id, the idea that somebody wakes up in the morning and decide to be somebody, that is not

the case, you have to see a solicitor, demonstrate in some form, through payslips or something, some id, that you have been living as someone id, that you have been living as someone there. you have to sign a legal document with a witness. it is not a quick and easy click of the fingers and you become somebody else, it is not self id. a final word? gender recognition certificates are not going to be given out with sweets with these reforms going into place. like, people seem to think that might be the case, but it really isn't. and there is still going to be legislation that is protected under the equality act of 2010 and, yeah, i think there has been a great misunderstanding, and people really need to look past that and see the situation for what it is. it was wonderful to cfa and louise getting together in your film. that is the way for this to be resolved, ultimately. thank you both very much

indeed, and thank you for your comments in all the usual ways. still to come, not leaving the house for 30 days, not washing or drinking cold drinks. last year, we told you about the practice of chinese mothers here in the uk confining themselves after giving birth, a traditional practice across many parts of asia. in response to our report the nhs has set up a series of clinics to better tailor their support and we went along. and the british parents whose children died fighting isis. we'll be talking to one father who — like many others — went to syria to try to understand why his child made the sacrifice. time for the latest news, here's annita. the headlines now on bbc news. plans for a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars should be brought forward by eight years as a way of getting more of us to go electric. that's the verdict of mps who say that, rather than coming into force in 2040, the ban should begin by 2032. they've criticised the government's targets as unambitious and vague.

the radical preacher anjem choudary has been released from jail. the 51—year—old was jailed for inviting support for islamic state in 2016. he's considered one of the most influential and dangerous radicalisers in the uk because of his connection to a long line of terrorism suspects. he was halfway through a five and a half year sentence and will be subject to a strict supervision regime. more from our correspondent on this story shortly. theresa may will outline her vision of a post—brexit britain to asian leaders at a summit in brussels today, but there's been no let—up in the criticism of her strategy. both leavers and remainers in her party are said to be upset about the idea of extending the transition period to the end of 2021. theresa may insists the government hasn't formally proposed this idea but rather that it's been suggested during talks to try to resolve the current deadlock. the father of a man who died after being assaulted at a block of flats in south london has said his son frequently confronted

drug dealers on the estate. a murder investigation was launched after the 46—year—old, named locally as ian tomlin, was killed in battersea on wednesday afternoon. police were called to reports of a fight, and mr tomlin's father claimed that his frequent pleas with dealers to move away from his home may have caused the argument. us president donald trump says he believes the missing washington post journalistjamal khashoggi is dead, and the consequences for saudi arabia could be severe if its involvement is confirmed. it comes more than two weeks after mr khashoggi was last seen. he was entering the saudi consulate in istanbul, where turkish officials say he was murdered. police are searching forests and farmland nearby. that's a summary of the latest bbc news. here's some sport now with chris. the fa has urged the police and social media companies to act after death and rape threats were sent to the chelsea and

england player karen carney. johanna konta is through to the semifinals of the kremlin cup. it's her best performance sincejune. he may dislike the venue, but ronnie 0'sullivan's playing well at the british open. he's through to the quarterfinals in crawley. john higgins, neil robertson and judd trump are all out. and christian wade is leaving wasps for a potential career in american football. he's the third highest try scorer in premiership history and is now hoping to make his mark in the nfl. that's all the sport for now. the islamist preacher anjem choudary has been released from prison on licence. he has served half of a five—year sentence handed down to him in 2016 for inviting support for the islamic state group.

our home afffairs correspondent june kelly is here. so is he out, but is he completely free? he certainly is not, he left belmarsh top security jail free? he certainly is not, he left belmarsh top securityjail in south london before dawn this morning, three cars moved out, he was in one of them, and he was taken to a probation hostel in north london. he is under 25 restrictions, some of the standard restrictions for somebody who has come out of prison on licence, as he has, but to give you an idea of the sort of restrictions he is under, he has to wear a restrictions he is under, he has to weara tag, he restrictions he is under, he has to wear a tag, he is under curfew, he can only meet people who are approved, and he can't meet people who have any terror links, so no contact at all with any of his old associates, who are also out of prison. in addition, he has to have permission to use the internet, and he can only go to mosques which are

approved. also, he has to stay inside the m25, he can't move outside london, and he is banned from is going specifically to city airport and st pancras railway station. so why are these restrictions in place, what are the concerns around his release? and more about who he is. hears the country's most notorious terror convict, and when he was convicted in 2016, the police had been trying to prosecute him for years, but he was very wily, a trained lawyer, so we always stayed on the right side of the law, but then he did pledge support for is and encouraged others to do so, and he got a five and a half year sentence, and a lot of people said, how come only five and a half yea rs people said, how come only five and a half years when he is a dangerous man? that is what the sentencing guidelines said he should get, and as is typical in these cases, he is out at the halfway stage. but clearly the authorities feel that because he is a great influence, they want to really show that

although he is out, he's not a free man. how long will the restrictions stay in place? he is on licence for the rest of his five and a half year sentence, so a couple of years, but whether they could be modified at some stage, that could happen. he is only in the probation hospitalfor six months, but with choudary, the authorities will want to send out a strong message — this man might be out of prison but we're watching him all the time. many radicalised british youngsters we re many radicalised british youngsters were killed while fighting in syria and iraq, but there were those who died fighting against them as well. at least eight britons died fighting with the kurdish ypg forces which are actually allied to the uk and the us. now a group of british pa rents the us. now a group of british parents have made their own trip to syria to try to understand why what they gave their lives for. emma vardy has this report. jack wasn't a fighter by any chalk of the imagination.

he never had a fight. he never came home with a black eye. never, you know, got into trouble with people. they came outside and they killed each other. jack holmes was 21 when he made the decision to give up his life in bournemouth and travel to syria. i said, "jack, if i was your age and i had no ties, i would probably think about doing the same thing." isaid, "but, you know, you are going there, son, you are not equipped for it." at the time, the group known as islamic state was on the rise. jack wanted to help fight them on the front lines. he made contact with other westerners who were there through facebook and arranged tojoin them. for me, it was a personal choice. i wanted to fight against isis, and i wanted to help the situation over here in iraq and syria. the group that jack and many other westerners joined are called the ypg. they are a kurdish militia who have been one of the main groups fighting is on the ground. it was the 26th of september. and they attacked behind our lines in raqqa in the morning.

by his third visit to syria, jack had become part of a sniper unit with other foreign fighters. for months, they fought here street by street to drive is out of their self—proclaimed capital of raqqa. at some points, jack's family were unable to contact him for weeks. it was hell, really. it would be hell for any parent. i said to my son, i love you, and i am proud of you, but it's time to come home. after raqqa, enough is enough. and then, obviously, i got the phone call. just days after the battle for raqqa was over, jack was killed, attempting to defuse an is suicide belt. he is one of eight people from britain to have died with the ypg. more than 30 westerners have been killed since 2014. authorities in britain repeatedly warn people not to travel saying fighting with any armed group abroad is not only dangerous but brings legal risks. now jack's father and other parents

of those who were killed have made a journey to syria of their own. the kurds regard the foreign fighters who died here as martyrs. they have lost countless loved ones themselves. for the syrian kurds, this is a chance to share their gratitude. forjack‘s father, a moment to share his grief. his loss has been increasingly hard to bear. but i take comfort from the fact and feel proud that he had the courage of his convictions and the bravery to come and stand and defend the people here. jack's father also made the dangerous journey into raqqa. it was going to be like a sort of covert in—out, if the proverbial hits the fan, we need to get out of there fast. the reason we carried on the trip was to see where jack had fallen, to see what he'd

given his life form. do you think it was right that the kurdish ypg allowed westerners into their ranks? youngsters like jack who had no military training? yes, absolutely. at the time, the kurds were almost overrun by isis, like all of iraq had been. they had advanced into syria and the kurds were the last stand. and jack spent longer there than almost any other western fighter. was there any other part of you which thought i wish they'd turned him away, i wish they'd sent him back? couldn't they have done that? no, i don't think so. he absolutely loved it. and the kurds came to love him. for the kurds, there was little choice but to fight in this war. the many westerners who came did so their own accord. my name is helen karachov. my name from before was anna campbell. ijoined the ypg in march of last year. anna campbell from lewis was one of several women who came to fight. we have just finished this education

of ideology and military. ijoined because i wanted to support the revolution and because i wanted to participate in the revolution of women that is being built up here. did i try to stop her? no. because she was a grown woman, she could make her own decisions. of course, i was afraid for her. anna was killed in march by a turkish airstrike. her father is still trying to have her body recovered. iam proud. i am proud of my daughter very much. and i also feel a lot of sadness and am now connected with the struggle of the people here. for anna's father and jack's and others, the new bond they have formed with the kurds helps to ease the pain. showing solidarity with this community

is a way of honouring their children's memory. but not all feel the same. the mother of ryan locke from chichester, who died in raqqa in 2016, told an inquest she was angry with the ypg for helping him travel to the conflict. that's gabrni at night. jack's father feels differently. immensely proud. that a son of mine would have the courage in the first place to go out there and do what he did. did being there answer any questions for you? well, it will never achieve closure, it's what people always go looking for, and to bury your son or your daughter, for any parent, i wouldn't wish it on anybody. but it made me realise, although i knew anyway, that what he was doing out there was worthwhile and the love for him out there is incredible. it is clear the british volunteers who went to syria made a mark.

many who returned to the uk were arrested and questioned by police. but those whose lives were lost in battle will be remembered here as heroes. let's talk now to chris scurfield, whose son konstadinos, also known as erik, was killed fighting with kurdish forces against isis in syria. you call them kosta, actually. yeah. thank you very much for coming in and talking to us. how do you feel about the fact that he was out there fighting and died in that way? well, we are still in shock, really. yeah, the battlefield blew up for him, it is still blowing up for us, really. he was actually in the military anyway, he was with the royal marines, wasn't he? a lot of kids go out with no military experience, but

your son had military experience, and you thought initially he was with the marines when he had gone off to do this. how did you find out what was going on? well, the marines offered us... they asked where we should send the reference, so we took it from that that he had not left, so we spent the christmas not knowing quite where he was and then we soon knowing quite where he was and then we soon found out where he was. knowing quite where he was and then we soon found out where he wasm must have been a massive shock. there wasn't much about it, it wasn't on the news, the yazidi plight had been extensively reported in the summer, but we didn't really know a lot else about the whole situation, so, yeah, we werejust puzzled, keeping ourfingers crossed, counting the weeks until he was due to come back. did you

understand why he was doing it? he had obviously gone off without having a conversation. is mum knew what his intentions were, and he had been researching it for about a year and a half, he really wanted to do something positive for the kurdish people, and he had tried, in the summer, to join and people, and he had tried, in the summer, tojoin and had been turned back and arrested, but by november he was absolutely determined, especially because the last refuge for the kurdish people was being attacked by isis, so we just went off and did it, the british military we re off and did it, the british military were not going to do anything, he asked them, and he basically packed his bags and gave everything away and went off. and you said at one point he went off but was arrested — imean, point he went off but was arrested — i mean, that is what will happen if

somebody goes out to fight and comes back, they can be arrested and charged with terrorist offences. some people are, others walk straight back in without any problem. so quite an old policy. we we re problem. so quite an old policy. we were hearing that ryan lock‘s mother was angry about the fact that the ypg actually helped him to go out there, and he died of there, she has a different perspective from the pa rents a different perspective from the parents in ourfilm a different perspective from the parents in our film who feel proud of what they were doing, proud of the fact that they have been honoured. how do you feel?” the fact that they have been honoured. how do you feel? i am very proud and astonished at what he actually did out there. he ended up commanding a group of kurdish fighters, he spoke kurdish fluently enough to do that, and he did what he wanted to do, he was a trained medic, which is why he went out, but he ended up fighting, as you do,

when there are just two sides in that war. when isis is invading the land and the ypg are seeking to repel them. i mean, it land and the ypg are seeking to repelthem. i mean, it does get land and the ypg are seeking to repel them. i mean, it does get a bit complicated, doesn't it, around the fact that the ypg is an ally of the fact that the ypg is an ally of the us and the uk, but it is also linked with the pkk, which is designated as a terror group. they share the same ideology, absolutely, but the ypg and what later became the sdf have never attacked any ally of britain, yet turkey decides, has used that classification to terrorise them, and to invade syria. it is not that complicated, it is actually quite straightforward. the complication is our politicians, they seem a little bit confused about, morally, about the situation

over there. you have been out to syria with other parents, and your son has been honoured, you have brought with you a memorial in which he is recognised amongst other places. there is also a training academy that has been named for foreign fighters that has been named after your son. how important has it been to you to go out there? he said that it was. how important for you to see that what he did has been remembered, he did not die in vain? well, certainly not, yeah, it has filled a lot of holes and explains why the academy was named after him, because we actually visited the village that he fell in, and we learned that he'd actually picked up a grenade and dropped it into a panzer, a russian personnel carrier, exploded it, and the whole thing

blew up, and he died from shrapnel wounds from that. so what he did was pretty amazing, binding the revolution together, because the village she died in was an arab village, and the ypg had combined forces with them to eradicate isis, so forces with them to eradicate isis, so it was quite apt and very poignant for me that he died defending an arab village, aiden aslin village. so very proud of him for that. thank you very much for coming in, thank you. thank you. coming up, how soon can we switch to electric cars? mps are calling for a ban on petrol and diesel cars to be brought forward by eight years, we will hear from the editor of auto

express r&a climate change expert. right now the weather with matt taylor. if you're thinking about some autumn sunshine or you know someone in spain, takea sunshine or you know someone in spain, take a look at this, this was yesterday evening across parts of north—east spain between valencia and barcelona, a night of torrential storms, about 180 millimetres of rainfall in the last 24 hours, flooding the streets, red warnings in place across the north—east, and those storms continue today. for those storms continue today. for those heading to the costa del sol soul tomorrow, you could be hit by the most widespread storms, but things will improve into next week, and certainly a lot stormier than at home in the uk. things relatively quiet, that has led to mist and fog patches by night, the fog lapping up against the chilterns in central bedfordshire early this morning, spot stamford bridge just peeking out above the fog. and more fog to

come this weekend, but this morning it is starting to live down the shift, a little bit lingering across parts of the west midlands and eastern wales. for much of england and wales, a cracking day, more cloud to the north—west of wales, boss of lancashire and cumbria later, threatening one or two light showers, but for most staying dry. a different story for scotland and northern ireland, thicker cloud with showers spreading eastwards, longer spells of rain in shetland, we could catch a shower in northern ireland, southern and eastern scotland into the start of the afternoon, but really foremost the skies clear, a lot more sunshine in the second half of the day, enjoy the autumn sunshine as well, temperatures into the mid or high teens. through into tonight, though, we start clear, lots of low cloud developing in the west, south—westerly winds develop, clear skies blasting down eastern and southern parts of the uk, temperatures low enough here for a touch of frost into tomorrow morning, so on the chilly side, the greatest concern into tomorrow morning is the fact that some of you

will be struggling with some dense fog. part of central southern england and wales most prone to the fog, that could take a while to clear, but good sunny spell through much of england and wales later, hazy sunshine for eastern scotland, milder than today, 18 in aberdeenshire and the south—east, but the west of scotland, northern ireland, thicker cloud developing with rain or drizzle, mostly light and patchy, bailey across the highlands and islands. that is all ahead of this approaching weather front which will bring more in the way your rain to scotland and northern ireland on sunday, england and wales, at a clear night, mist andrew —— mist and fog will take a while to clear, rain edging into the north, brightening up in the second half of the day, further south, once the fog has cleared, a fine afternoon, temperatures holding up nicely at 14—17 degrees. enjoy your weekend. hello, it's friday, it's ten o'clock, i'm joanna gosling. what would it take for you to part with petrol and embrace electric? politicians are calling for a ban

on sales of petrol and diesel cars to be brought forward by eight years to 2032 — saying current targets are vague and unambitious. it's part of a renewed effort to put the uk at the heart of the green revolution. we've got a huge problem with air quality in our towns and cities. at the moment, we are off track to meet our carbon reduction targets. so, we know that something needs to be done. we'll be asking the experts about whether it's a realistic plan. pressure mounts on saudi arabia explain the disappearance of journalist jamal khashoggi. he was last seen going into the saudi consulate in turkey. as senior politicians from the uk and america boycott a major conference in the middle eastern country, president trump tells reporters that it looks like khashoggi has been killed. it certainly looks that way to me. it's very sad. certainly looks that way. well, it will have to be very severe. it's bad, bad stuff.

but we'll see what happens. and music legend tina turner, who's sold hundreds of millions of records and won 11 grammy awards over a 60—year career talks to us candidly about her life that was my wedding, a piece of paper pushed across, to be signed. and after that we went to a brothel and watched sex. that's even hard to really think about. good morning, it's ten o'clock. annita is in the bbc newsroom with a summary of the days news. plans for a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars should brought forward by eight years as a way of getting more of us to go electric. that's the verdict of mps who say that rather than coming into force in 2040, the ban should begin by 2032.

they've criticised the government's targets as unambitious and vague. we'll hearfrom motoring experts and climate campaigners shortly. the radical preacher anjem choudary has been released from jail. the 51—year—old was jailed for inviting support for islamic state in 2016. he was halfway through a five and a half year sentence and will be subject to a strict supervision regime. 0ur correspondentjune kelly described the restrictions he left belmarsh top securityjail in south london before dawn this morning, three cars moved out, he was in one of them, and he was taken to a probation hostel in north london. he is under 25 restrictions, some of the standard restrictions for somebody who has come out of prison on licence, as he has, but to give you an idea of the sort of restrictions he is under, he has to wear a tag, he is under curfew, he can only meet people who are

approved, and he can't meet people who have any terror links, so no contact at all with any of his old associates, who are also out of prison. in addition, he has to have permission to use the internet, and he can only go to mosques which are approved. also, he has to stay inside the m25, he can't move outside london, and he is banned from is going specifically to city airport and st pancras railway station. theresa may will outline her vision of a post—brexit britain to asian leaders at a summit in brussels today — but there's been no let up in the criticism of her strategy. both leavers and remainers in her party are said to be upset about the idea of extending the transition period to the end of 2021. theresa may insists the government hasn't formally proposed this idea but rather that it's been suggested during talks to try to resolve the current deadlock. that's a summary of the latest bbc news — more at 10.30. last year we told you the practice

of chinese mothers in the uk confining themselves after giving birth, a traditional practice across many parts of asia. in response, the nhs has set up a series of clinics to better tailor support. we have a full report coming up. get in touch. now let's get a sports update. the fa has urged the police and social media companies to act after death and rape threats were sent to the chelsea and england player karen carney. the threats cam after wednesday's champions league win over fiorentina. karen carney — the chelsea captain — is one of england's most successful footballers. she made her international debut in 2005. the fa saying it is "appalled" and "dismayed" and wants police to do more to deal with abuse. the metropolitan police said it "takes allegations of threatening and abusive behaviour very

seriously" after winning six of his last seven races, it's potentially a huge weekend for lewis hamilton. he could win his fifth formula one world tile at the us grand prix if everything goes his way in texas. in fact he could finish outside the top three on sunday and still win the title. hamilton is 67 points clear of his rival sebastian vettel — with only 100 available over the remaining four races. if he does it, he'll sitjoint second in the all time list of winners with only the great michael schumacher ahead of him, but he's not taking anything for granted this weekend. none of us are saying how cool it would be if it happened this weekend, or the next. we're not focusing on ifs, we're focused on making sure we deliver. there's still 100 points available, so you can just never be complacent in life, and in a championship as intense as this, you know? we expect ferrari to punch back hard here this weekend,

so we can't be relaxed in any way, shape or form. johanna konta — the british number one — has reached the semi—finals of the kremlin cup in moscow. she beat aliaksandra sasnovich in three sets to make the last four. konta has struggled for form this year — this is just her second semi this year. he will play russian sixth seed daria kasatkina for a place in the final he may not be the biggest fan of the venue but ronnie 0'sullivan keeps on winning at the english 0pen. the five time world champion is through to the quarterfinals in crawley. other big names keep falling though — neil robertson, john higgins and judd trump are all out. and christian wade has dramatically left rugby union side wasps to pursue a career in the nfl. the winger, who won one england cap in 2013 and toured with the british and irish lions that year,

is understood to have played his last game of rugby union. so he wants to go from that.... to this! the glamorous world of gridiron or amercian football... where roughly a player earns $2 million dollars a season. compared with say half a million in the rugby‘s premiership. we wish him well. that is all the sport for now. a ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel cars should come into force as early as 2032, mps have said. the government's current plan is to ensure all new cars are "effectively zero emission" by 2040 — but parliament's business select committee said the plans were vague, unambitious, and should be brought forward. the committe's chairwoman, rachel reeves, told me she thought it was a mistake to cut subsidies for electric vehicles. we think that target should be brought forward for a couple of reasons. first of all, we've got a huge problem with air quality in our towns and cities.

at the moment, we are off track to meet our carbon reduction targets. so we know that something needs to be done. but also we have a really important and vibrant car manufacturer sector in this country. and if we want it to thrive for decades to come, then we need to support the transition to electric vehicles. this isn't just about what is happening in the uk, this is about what is happening globally. and other countries like china, india and other european countries have more ambitious targets than us. we need to be leading the way on this. otherwise, the jobs and investment will go overseas. last week, subsidies for buying greener cars here were cut. at the same time, there's also been another freeze on fuel duty. what messages do those two policies give out? i think it's a mistake to cut the subsidies for electric vehicles. at the moment, these are still new technologies, so it's more expensive to buy an electric vehicle, than it is to buy a traditional petrol diesel car. that's why those subsidies

were introduced. it's too early to reduce those grants. and that was the wrong decision by the government. one of the recommendations of our report today is that the government reverse that decision and bring back that grant to buy an electric vehicle. talk us through the strategy to achieve your goal by 2032. you said you want the subsidy brought back. what else would make it a realistic proposition that petrol and diesel cars are not being sold in 2032? the key thing is making sure the infrastructure is there. so, on our motorways and a—roads, we need to have rapid charging points so people can travel long distances and know that they can charge up if they run out of charge. sorry to interrupt, obviously that's vital if it is to be achievable. the question is, is it achievable? is it doable? how do you make sure that happens? it's absolutely achievable and it's happening in other countries.

0ur report and recommendations aren't putting the uk at the front of the pack. other countries are ahead of us in terms of the roll—out of electric vehicles. it moves us from being in the passenger seat to being in the driving seat of a vehicles. so, moving the target to 2032 that is in line with other countries, like the netherlands, china and india, and actually aligns the rest of the united kingdom with scotland, which already has a 2032 target. if you bring forward the target, you will also bring forward investment in infrastructure. you don't have to give subsidies for people to build petrol stations, because... sorry to interrupt, maybe that's why the target is further away? because they don't want to bring forward investment because they don't have the money? my point is you don't have to subsidise people to build petrol stations. petrol stations spring up because the demand is there to put petrol and diesel in our cars. if investors know that electric vehicles are coming

and they are coming quickly, that infrastructure will be put in place. so, the government is sending the signal that we are ambitious and we are moving towards electric vehicles. that will also bring forward that investment. that is what you're seeing in countries around the world. at the moment, we are lagging behind other countries, and that is bad for our air quality, it's bad for the environment, but it's also bad for investment and future jobs. we need to send a clear signal to the car manufacturing sector that we are making this transition and helping them so that we can secure those jobs in car manufacturing in our country in the future. ok, so on that, the head of the society for motor manufacturers and traders has said that your 2032 deadline is unrealistic because currently zero emissions vehicles make of 0.6% of the market, which means consumer appetite would have to grow, he says, by 17,000% in a decade. he's not quite right about that. because we're not saying that

all cars on the roads by 2032 have to be electric. we're saying that all new car sales. car sales of electric vehicles are about 4% today. so, it's nothing like that percentage increase. i think he knows that. what the smmt and myself would agree on is that we need government policy and strategy changes if we're going to make this transition. we need the infrastructure in place, and that's something that the smmt and myself agree on. we need that infrastructure, those charging points, if we're going to encourage people to take up that challenge and get an electric vehicle. speaker rachel reeves, talking to me earlier. policy analyst at the grantham research institute on climate change and the environment, and steve fowler, editor of the motoring magazine auto express. welcome to both of you. maria, i presume what rachel was saying is

music to your ears? absolutely. transport emissions, actually, is the largest emitter in the uk. we have a target within the uk to reduce our emissions by 57% as part of the climate change act, by 2032. actually, transport is one of the biggest sectors that is not going to meet that target. significant reductions need to occur. it currently counts 20% of uk emissions. that kind of move forward , emissions. that kind of move forward, is not only important from an emissions point of view, but also in terms of actually creating incentives for aligning all of the different parts of the supply chains to meet the consumers. the question will be whether that will occur, including other parts of the charging infrastructure, and also making sure that the models are there. steve, what is your view? is it achievable? it's going to be

tricky, let's be honest. 0f it achievable? it's going to be tricky, let's be honest. of the motor industry reacts well when it is givena motor industry reacts well when it is given a challenge. 2032 is not that long way. when you think that most car model cycles are about eight years, orare most car model cycles are about eight years, or are in development for a lot of those cycles, cars launched in 2020 will be on sale until 2028. that means the next generation, they need to be working ha rd generation, they need to be working hard on them now. it is not completely unachievable but it will be difficult. but i like target and i think it is better than 2040. two options, electric and hydrogen. we a lwa ys options, electric and hydrogen. we always talk about electric, why not hydrogen? my view is that electric is the future, not hydrogen. a lot of people will have different views. the problem is the infrastructure. we are nowhere on the infrastructure at the moment. there are a handful of places where you can fill up with hydrogen fuel. there is a few number of cars available, and they are very expensive. is it like betamax and

vhs, there are two at the start and then one corner the market?” vhs, there are two at the start and then one corner the market? i would say that battery power is made before cars, hydrogen power maybe for larger vehicles like trucks. nick says, why can't manufacturers work out a way to pull up and swap batteries without six—hour charging? a battery share system is the logical solution. that is one of the drawbacks to electric, and why people are not necessarily going for it? the big drawback is the charging time and charging infrastructure. people are looking at electric cars now, and range anxiety will become a thing of the past. most of them have a minimum range of 150 miles. affordable, to £30,000, they can go 300 miles, relaxed —— relisted. the mindset is, as an owner, if you have to go for a charging point every time you stop. you don't, i am running an electric car and it is in a car park, not plugged in, i know i

don't have to charge it up now. until you experience it, you can't get into the mindset. jim is saying, iam get into the mindset. jim is saying, i am looking to get a new car, my 12—year—old diesel is falling apart. having seen the recent reports saying that we need to reduce c02 emissions to stop the global climate increase, i'm desperate to get one. as an average salary increase, i'm desperate to get one. as an average salary earner increase, i'm desperate to get one. as an average salary earner with a family, it's not financially viable. i'm disgusted double is not utterly failed to grasp the issues, they are reducing incentives that are so desperately needed to enable people to buy the surely this is a case where something is desperately needed to benefit for the many, not the few? denise says electric cars are far too expensive for most people. the manufacturers need to bring the price is right down to an affordable level for automatic and manual cars so that hard up people can purchase one. it would go a long way to bringing down pollution levels. a question for each of you in that. steve, the cost or electric, will it come down? yes.

but the subsidies are being scrapped? it would help if the subsidies were still there. it makes me really angry. it shows the government does not understand the car industry or buyers. it shows they don't really care. we question if they care about the climate as well. people had been buying diesel on the basis they would be rewarded, because it is low c02. it is now reducing incentives to get people into electric cars. they are becoming more affordable. really fun to drive and good delivery as well. 0n to drive and good delivery as well. on that point, whether the government has got behind this quickly enough, the messages that are coming out from the government in terms of incentives, we also have fuel duty, it keeps being frozen. 0bviously people are concerned around the cost of living, but what do you think about that message when it comes to climate change? you absolutely have to do have a good policy mix between putting costs on fuel consumption, especially high

carbon fuel consumption, or other types of carbon pricing that you actually put the carbon content into reduce the amount of emissions coming from that. if that cost is high enough to overcome the cost of transition to electric vehicles, that would be a very important part of the policy mix. reducing the subsidies is actually harmful for a couple of things. we have seen a different types of technology, including solar and wind, that upfront subsidies have allowed for the kind of market uptake in terms of suppliers, then putting money into increasing the capacity, to supply and then bringing down the costs, along with the demands of consumers being willing to buy the ca rs. consumers being willing to buy the cars. 0ver consumers being willing to buy the cars. over time, you have seen massive reductions in technology costs as everything alliance. you need a combination of the two to enable that kind of reduction in emissions from high carbon fuels, and also the uptake with low carbon vehicles. seeing that cost differential is really important. thank you very much. keep your thoughts coming in on that. coming up..

it's never an easy subject to discuss. but today doctors and other health workers are being urged to improve the way they talk to patients about death — with warnings that younger medics often lack the confidence to broach the topic due to a lack of training. we will be talking about that in a while. an investigation is under way after a case of bse, more commonly known as mad cow disease, was confirmed at a farm in aberdeenshire. investigators are trying to trace the possible cause of the infection, which is thought to have been found in a herd near huntly. this is the first case of mad cow disease in scotland for more than a decade and the government has said there is no risk to humans. we can speak now to sheila voas — scottish government's chief veterinary 0fficer, should we be worried about this? no,

but we should also not be complacent. it is a single case come ona complacent. it is a single case come on a single farm, at the end of an academic where there would always be outlying cases. we are doing everything we need to, but i would urge people not to be too concerned. how can you be sure it is an isolated case? the simple reason that we test lots of stock on farms every year, so that we test lots of stock on farms every year, so we are that we test lots of stock on farms every year, so we are confident we would pick up disease. 0ver every year, so we are confident we would pick up disease. over the last five years we have tested an average of 20,000 animals over four years old every year, and this is the only one we have picked up. hugh pennington, how could this have happened? how could the cow have contracted this? the obvious explanation, the one i agree with, is that it is a spontaneous case, caring out of the blue. it's not a case where the animal has contracted

it from another source, it is a disease that established itself in that animal, there has probably been some sort of gene mutation that has affected the cells and the parade of the —— the brain of the animal. the animal has died, and changes in the brain that are typical of bse are there. this is the sort of thing that we expect. we know there are other diseases, once that affect humans, that are not caused by any contact with the animals. cjd, it happens there as well. cases happen out of the blue, it has not been any external source that has gone wrong in that particular person's cells. it will send a shiver down the spine of farmers, because of memories of what happened in the 80s with bse, about 180,000 cattle affected,

millions of cattle slaughtered. how will farmers be feeling today? we're i don't think it is as extreme as you make it sound. we are in a far different place this time. we have worked our way through the last system, with the other issues that we re system, with the other issues that were there. all of the checks are now in place in the abattoirs. i think it isjust a real disappointment, but it has only taken us back to where we were 18 months ago. that recognition of being back where we are puts us in the same place as the rest of the gb, instead of being a bit further in front. how much has changed since what happened before? in front. how much has changed since what happened before ?” in front. how much has changed since what happened before? i think it is a significantly what happened before? i think it is a significa ntly better understanding. both sheila and hugh have said that. there is a belief it isjust a have said that. there is a belief it is just a spontaneous case. have said that. there is a belief it isjust a spontaneous case. the farm has been closed down, the checks will be done on any offspring. everything is put in place. there are measures in place. i think the food chain is one of the safest places. the standards that we are

producing too, and the fact that has been picked up, shows that it is working really well. hugh, are you confident that everything is being done right now to avoid anything like what happened in the past? absolutely, yes. the meat industry is the most heavily regulated industry in the world of any kind of industry. the regulations work extremely well. you know, since the late 19805, any prospect of anything getting into humans ha5 late 19805, any prospect of anything getting into humans has been stopped by very, very strict regulations. the fact that we've discovered this case shows that the regulatory syste m case shows that the regulatory system is working very well in terms of spotting these very rare, very unusual cases. i don't think the public should be concerned at all but the problem for the industry is that this could be used as an argument for those people who do not wa nt argument for those people who do not want to accept exports. it comes

back to brexit, as everything else. but i think we will get over that quite quickly. andrew, are you worried about that argument? i'm not worried about that argument? i'm not worried about that argument? i'm not worried about it, more annoyed. as i say, we're going back to where we we re say, we're going back to where we were 18 months ago. the whole system, we had a lot going on from 2006, where we were working in the market, building up a good reputation, and this was an add—on. we are still working in the same market, producing to the same high standards that scotland is recognised for. so, it could be, but i would like to think it would not be used against us as a trading initiation point. you wanted to say something, sheila? just to add, the risk hasn't changed overnight because we found this case. the risk is the same as it always has been, which is very, very low, because the controls have been in place also wrong. it's not as a result of this, the controls were in place since the epidemic and ongoing. last year, experts told this

programme that the chinese community is being overlooked when it comes to accessing health care and treatment. cultural practices of hiding illness can start from birth where women are encouraged to confine themselves for a whole month after having a baby. off the back of our report last year, a workshop has been set up especially to bring together experts, midwives and chinese parents together to discuss and learn more about this ancient tradition. 0ur reporter amber haque went along to the first of the workshops. the practice of post—natal confinement is a custom that dates back to ancient china. in the west, there is a big focus on care for woman while she is pregnant and during the birth, but the chinese tradition of "sitting the month" says the immediate weeks after you give birth are equally important. last year, in a rare interview, we spoke to a woman from her home which she hadn't left for nearly 28 days. sitting month, as in confinement

after childbirth, is a tradition so ingrained in the chinese culture that even i did it myself. some of the very strict rules are that you shouldn't drink cold drinks during the month, you shouldn't really shower, hair—washing is not allowed, and obviously, not going outside the boundaries of your house. so, for obvious reasons, we are not allowed to film with a mum in her house when she is doing her confinement period, but i have found one mum who is willing to talk to me by skype. her name is ching and she actually hasn't left the house for nearly 28 days. hi, ching! hi there. i come originally from singapore and it is part of our culture to definitely do confinement, be confined in your flat, actually it's important because for us, if you don't practice it then you know you are a disadvantaging yourself, kind of thing. my husband, he doesn't really know what was going on when i said i need

to practise confinement and his family as well. so there is, there is a lack of understanding and awareness that it even exists. but i can see why it can be isolating. new mums can often be left in isolation and that is quite difficult for them to cope. when they have medical problems, they try to solve it within themselves. and sometimes that can have a detrimental effect on the health of themselves and to the baby. we found some chinese women felt isolated during their confinement. there was a concern that some of the medical profession didn't know that it was going on. 0ur report has prompted a group of experts, community centres and childcare authorities to set up a nationwide profile to support new chinese parents. my name is doctor lo and i am a consultant psychiatrist. i want you to understand that chinese women quite frequently practise something called confinement and they basically spend about a month or two months in confinement, in isolation. they usually do not have contact with the outside world. so ijust wanted to start

by getting you all to talk about what confinement means to you both from your perspective. how much you actually know about it. confinement, really, it was about recovering from childbirth because it can be quite traumatic and bonding with my daughter. it is handed down from mother to daughter through generations so it is a given. in south east asia, it is just what you do. but, yes, it would be great if midwives were aware of this. we do not think it is necessary to talk about confinement to the midwife because i didn't know they would support us in that way. so i don't want to, you know, introduce any misunderstanding as well and then they might think it is in conflict with the british way of practice. with me, actually, differently, i have not had that much experience

of confinement in my workplace. i really don't think we do know enough about it as health professionals. from my experience, both of my births, i stayed in hospital for one week so then it was a tough time for me to be in hospitalfor the first week because the nurses, i don't think they have knowledge of what happens to us, so they opened the window and they ask you to shower, they give you cold water, all this stuff, actually i feel, ok that is your culture. i have a different culture but i try to adjust myself to the culture. sometimes i can't. so from what i understand, some women actually choose not to wash for about a prolonged period of maybe 30 days or even more. for you, like, how long did you go with that?

i lasted 12 days without washing my hair. i washed my other bits, but without washing my hair. the whole belief of not touching cold water because of... it is actually for your future health rather than your immediate health. it gets rheumatism and things like that. also the food. they tend to think, "oh, my god, what is it that you are eating?" especially pigs trotter or an egg in its shell, black vinegar, and ginger. it is all to cleanse your blood, it's for collagen, and lactation as well. a lot of it is to do with making milk. so hearing that women are confined for 30 days, would you have any concerns around making sure women don't feel isolated? definitely. i think, obviously, it's really important that midwives are able

to visit the ladies that do want to practise confinement. i could see how it could have a negative aspect in that sense, where if you don't have family around, and no—one comes to visit you, it kind's of... it's contradictory. because chinese communities are quite closed communities and the way we access information is our own way. we don't have all these things. if more people understand what we are doing and then give us more support, then that period would be much better. i really agree with what you just said. confinement to me really reminds me of something that as a midwife i hold dear, and that is that it is myjob to facilitate whatever that woman finds important. i think this is a prime example of why, in an ideal world, we would come to you always,

and you would know us, and you wouldn't have to keep explaining yourself with things like, oh, this is what we do, and this is why we are doing it. i really do think we need more support of women who are in isolated communities, where they don't have that close chinese community available. if there is some way that we could learn about your culture before the event as well either through learning or through talking with you, that would be really valuable. well, let me just tell you something that a viewer is saying, may says my husband's mother will was chinese, i lived with their family, i husband's mother will was chinese, i lived with theirfamily, i had husband's mother will was chinese, i lived with their family, i had to respect the chinese tradition, it caused no issues and ifeel it respect the chinese tradition, it caused no issues and i feel it is a

sensible practice. we had steam herbal bats to read us of impurities after birth, much better than taking your newborn to a crowded supermarket and exhausting yourself. still to come, simply the best — music legend tina turner, who's sold hundreds of millions of records talks candidly about her life it's now been more than two weeks since the saudi journalist jamal khashoggi entered the saudi consulate in istanbul, apparently never to be seen again. for the first time, president trump has said he believes the washington post columnist is no longer alive. and this morning foreign secretary jeremy hunt said there will be consequences if investigations conclude that riyadh was involved in killing. turkish officials allege he was murdered, but the saudi authorities continue to deny any involvement. this is what president trump said. it certainly looks that way to me.

it's very sad. certainly looks that way. well, it will have to be very severe. it's bad, bad stuff. but we'll see what happens. well, the killing has not been proven, but even so, many around the world are distancing themselves from saudi arabia. let's talk to 0liver mills, the editor of the arab digest. there were reports a while ago now, when donald trump i've spoken to the crown prince and said it was possible that this was some sort of interrogation gone wrong indications that it may be something that saudi arabia would be prepared to say. we have still not heard anything from saudi arabia — what is your reaction to the way that this is playing out? well, by the way, it is 0liver miles, not mills. i'm sorry. it is

all right. it is not playing out at the moment, the saudis are deadlocked, they did not know what to do next, there was a hint from a conversation between president trump and king salman, both notoriously difficult to keep track of, so they have got a problem. i personally don't think that the idea that it was done by rogue elements would stand up. it is not absolutely impossible, you can just stand up. it is not absolutely impossible, you canjust about imagine that some foolish person in the saudi security set up had heard the saudi security set up had heard the crown prince say these people are bloody useless, we would like to get rid of them and took it as an order, but i don't believe it. i do not think it will work. it might just do for an excuse, so if the saudis want to climb down and accept a degree of responsibility, talk about compensation and so on, well,

this could give them a pretext. we now have president trump speaking more strongly than he has spoken before, talking about repercussions, saying that it is very, very bad. what do think the fallout could be? what do think the fallout could be? what could be repercussions be? well, it could be very serious. already, you have the fallout for the crown prince, mohammed bin salman, that is big planned investment conference, to which he attached a lot of symbolic as well as practical importance, looks like being a totalflop. as practical importance, looks like being a total flop. people are deserting him, all the big financial names, the ministers of the various ministers invited from america, britain, france and so on, they are not coming, it will be a fiasco. and thatis not coming, it will be a fiasco. and that is going to be rather humiliating for him. what will be worse would be if we finally got our act together and stop selling arms

to saudi arabia, because there is a lot of pressure in congress for the americans to take some action, including the possibility of stopping arms sales, and since they are in the middle of a war which is going very badly in yemen, to lose the support they are getting particularly from america and britain, that would be very serious indeed for them. and it is something countries are reluctant to do because it is very lucrative trade — how likely do you think it is that it would happen? i thought before this event started that it was most unlikely, but the reaction from congress has been so strong, especially from a number of republican senators, some of whom have already been trying to reduce or ban the arms sales to saudi arabia because of what they are being used for in yemen, i am beginning to think it is realistic. crown prince mohammed bin salman has come in and has introduced reforms in saudi arabia that have been received positively, more rights for

women, but obviously this has changed the way the situation is being looked at. do think that is the way he will be looked at in this position? no-one knows the answer do that one, there is opposition to mohammed bin salman, even inside the royal family, but how strong the opposition is we not know. you are do right, he did introduce some reforms, and the change allowing women to drive was very welcome and had been looked forward to for a long time, but it was spectacularly mishandled in that they promptly locked up all the women who had been involved in trying to achieve this, accusing them of treason and god knows what, serious crimes. and again and again, his apparent wish to reform, for example, ending corruption, which is a very serious problem in saudi arabia and in many other countries, has led him into an absolutely outrageous process of

arresting all the richest saudis he canfind, shaking arresting all the richest saudis he can find, shaking them down for money. that is not the way to end corruption. the detail that has come out from what the turkish authorities say is audio, possibly even video evidence of what happened, of a gruesome interrogation, gruesome torture resulting in the death — it creates a picture, obviously, something absolutely horrific having happened here. why would... i mean, what is your past understanding of how saudi arabia as regarded dissidents? they have taken a tough line on dissidents, and is tough line has included kidnapping them, taking them to saudi arabia, and the face ofa number of them to saudi arabia, and the face of a number of them, including some princes, is unknown. but i must say,

like anybody else, i was shocked that the detail to come out from a turkish report, and i wonder whether it is all true. we don't know, of course, we haven't seen the evidence, the turks say they have ha rd evidence, the turks say they have hard evidence but they haven't produced it yet. exactly, and as you say, they have not produced it, but the detail is being circulated — we do not know if it is accurate. what do not know if it is accurate. what do you make of the way that the turkish authorities are handling this? well, turkey has a problem. turkey and saudi arabia have a love hate relationship. they need each other, they are two very important, contenders, if you like, for the leadership of the sunni muslim world in the middle east, and they also have serious disagreements, very serious disagreements. for example, saudi arabia has had this extraordinary feud with qatar, and eddie has sided with qatar, giving them vital support. —— turkey macro.

the relationship is difficult, neither wants to fallout with the other, because, like ourselves, turkey has important interest in saudi arabia, they don't want to be blacklisted by saudi arabia, and the same goes for saudi arabia, they don't want to fallout with the turks. thank you very much indeed for joining turks. thank you very much indeed forjoining us, 0liver miles. thank you. she's sold hundreds of millions of records and won 11 grammy awards over a 60—year career, but tina turner's life story has often been full of turbulence and trauma. an abusive first marriage, long term life—threatening illness, and the suicide of her son. five years ago, she married her long—term music executive boyfriend, and now, at the age of 79, she's written a second volume of autobiography entitled my love story. she's been talking to our arts editor, will gompertz, about her life, her music and her health. i'm really thoroughly happy. # rollin', rollin', rollin' on a river...# another autobiography.

another! this one is the end of the second part. most of my hardships came when i was young and growing up, and the last days, when normally people suffer from old age and sickness, my happiness came. you say in the book, in 1968, you tried to take your old life. that time when i tried to commit suicide, my life was really down, the ike and tina days. ike was crooked from day one to day two to the end of one day... everything he did was conniving, and i was different, i thought the wedding, i was fairy taleish, i thought, you know, someone would ask you to marry you, weae the white dress. and this was my wedding — a piece of paper pushed across, and after that we went to a brothel and watched sex. that's even hard to think about. i did try to leave, a couple of times that wasn't

written in the books, and the first time was when i had the experience of being whipped with a wire hanger, and then another time was something else, and i realised, well, you don't go back. once you leave, don't go back. # do i love you? # my, oh my phil spector, as we now know, a fairly strange character, but what could he do for you as a producer? what tina turner did he find? he wanted me to sing, not deliver. ike had me singing more of a gospel way. # when i was a little girl, i had a rag doll...# the melody of that song was... # when i was a little girl, i had a rag doll...# and when that... i chill now. i mean, it was... it was another feeling to sing to that. # when i was a little...# you know,

really to sing into that... dadum, dadum. i saw exactly what phil was producing. you became a swiss citizen, relinquishing your american citizenship. my attitude about being there is i had lived there the first 50 years of my life, and now i'm moving to another country. part of that was because of my relationship with erwin, part of it was i was always treated a little bit different in those other countries than in america, because in america, a black singer, r&b singer, is always a black singer, r&b singer. that is what i was in america, and why i felt so comfortable leaving america was because everyone treated me not as a black person, they treated me just as a star. you're 79 next month. you've had your stroke, you had cancer, and you've had kidney failure

and a kidney replacement. they say to erwin, you can live with one kidney, so erwin said to the doctors, can i give her one of mine? and then he found out that he doesn't need two kidneys, so then he came to me and said, tina, you don't have to make this decision now. i can give you one of my kidneys. death is not a problem for me, i don't really mind leaving. i know a lot of people don't think that way, but i'm happy that i do, because it's something that is inevitable. there is a tragic end to the book, tina, an addition, and it tells the awful story, really, of your son's suicide. yes. er... everything was going good for craig. it's very hard to talk about. now when i listen back to our last

conversations, i notice a change, i said no because their mother dear, whenever he called me, and the last few times we talked, the conversation was different. and i didn't know that until after the suicide. you are supposed to be retired. i am, except for this! but you have got the hit musical in the west end, which is on its way to broadway, you have this book, what else is planned? you know what i am proud of? go on. that at this age there is still something happening with the career. my music doesn't sound older style, there is the musical that is ahead, so a side of being really tired of talking about myself, i am really proud of what my future as a star became. i feel proud that i hold that in my hand. you taught mick jagger the proud that i hold that in my hand. you taught mickjagger the pony, can

you teach me? i will try, it is tricky! 0ne, you teach me? i will try, it is tricky! one, two, three, now move! your second foot... i don't know what i'm doing! i can't count! and you can see the full 25—minute interview with tina turner tonight on the news channel. that's simply the best: in conversation with tina turner at 9:30 tonight, or catch it on the iplayer. it's a topic we all feel a little bit awkward talking about, but it's a subject we all need to open up about — death. today the royal college of physicians has urged doctors and other health workers to improve the way they talk to patients about death. they've published a report that says medical students and junior doctors are given little training or practice to improve their skills, causing them to lack confidence initiating conversations which could help patients. let's talk about this with my guests. dr rosemary leonard is a gp who works in southeast london and sees patients day in, day out.

i'm also joined by amy proffitt, who is a consultant in palliative medicine and secretary of the association for palliative medicine. and on the line from hampshire is linda magistris, who founded the bereavement charity the good grief trust, after her partner graham died from a rare form of cancer. thank you all very much forjoining us, i will come to you first of all, linda, the fact that you said they trust after your husband died is an indication of the fact that you didn't feel it was well handled when you went through it. yes, sadly, thatis you went through it. yes, sadly, that is the case. graham died four yea rs that is the case. graham died four years ago, he was my partner, he had a soft tissue sarcoma, a rare cancer, and he died five and a half months after diagnosis, and it was because of the reasonably negative experience i had all the way through his treatment, and the bereavement support that was sadly lacking, that i started the trust, and we brought

all the bereavement services together under a new umbrella so that people can find targeted support on day one, which is where it failed me, actually. so describe where it failed you. well, first of all, through his treatment, ifound that there were clearly goals in the performance of the consultants, first of all, i mean, it was just shocking, the way he was told that he only had a couple of weeks to live. he went into the hospital for a blood transfusion, we had no idea the end was near, we were told that he had about 18 months to live, and this was probably about four months into it, and he was told that he only had a couple of weeks to live, but there were five people around the bed. we add a curtain between us and the next patients, the co nsulta nts and the next patients, the consultants sitting on the bed, and within five minutes, he was trying to tell him he wholly had a couple of weeks, three pagers went off with

the registrars, and i was appalled, andi the registrars, and i was appalled, and i pulled it up afterwards, because graham was just reeling from the news that he was being given, and the registrars around the bed with handbags, it wasjust and the registrars around the bed with handbags, it was just something that was on their rounds. and they apologised afterwards, they didn't realise the impact for graham and also for me afterwards. again, with the gp, we were out for dinner, quite early on, and graham came off the phone, he said, that was my doctor, he said it was terminal. he was ashen. no—one had mentioned the word terminal, and they started to ask him, should he prepare for end of life? should he make his arrangements? he was absolutely shocked. so was i, because we weren't told it was imminent, and that was the sad thing, we just need to open up those honest conversations and work out, via, i think, further down the line with the patience, by the relatives and friends, how to deal with that,

where is that sensitivity? you know, graham was really up for information directly, other people are not, so let's be sensitive where we can and try and find the best part way through. i know it is the most difficult thing, but it really needs to be flagged up. that experience, rosemary, just absolutely horrendous, and everyone's hearts go out to linda as she talks about that. how could that happen? they knew what was happening, but they somehow had not communicated it? sometimes, you do have a patient who you think will live a lot longer, and then suddenly their prognosis becomes worse, but the circumstances of pages going off, nobody sitting down quietly and having a one—to—one conversation, that should not be happening. why does it happen? did they assume someone else had told them? did they think, we need to tell them but we don't now how to do it? we will blurt it out? you are in

the hospital setting, aren't you... tell us, would anyone have thought about that? i think these conversations are incredibly difficult for the doctor and for the patient. we need to do this better. harderfor patient. we need to do this better. harder for the patient. we need to do this better. harderfor the patient on patient. we need to do this better. harder for the patient on the receiving end. but there is a problem with the culture within hospitals, in the sense that physicians, health care professionals, they feel that medical technology can do so much, and almost that people deteriorating and almost that people deteriorating and dying is a failure of treatment, and dying is a failure of treatment, and that culture is something that we really need to shift. these conversations don't happen nearly often enough, early enough, and we can identify those we need to have the conversations with and do it in a confident, professional manner thatis a confident, professional manner that is away from the bedside. when the conversation happens, there is just basic humanity, and empathy that surely should come into play. two doctors need to be trained for that? i think so,

two doctors need to be trained for that? ithink so, definitely. yes, yes. in primary care, we are often aware that the patient has been given treatment, this isn't cancer patients, but it goes wider than cancer, which i will come to in a minute, but patients are being given more and more chemotherapy, and it seems as if hospital doctors are not prepared to say, this is not going to work, we need to prepare you for death, and we end up having a conversation in the surgery, at least a one—to—one setting, where we are saying, look, are you sure you wa nt are saying, look, are you sure you want to carry on with this? it comes asa want to carry on with this? it comes as a shock, because they are thinking they will somehow have a miraculous cure, because that is the message from the hospital. with specialists in the hospital, certainly with cancer, when care... when chemo is not going to give them a decent quality of life, for a decent length of time, there needs to bea decent length of time, there needs to be a conversation about how long you want to carry on, and we also, as gps, we want to give people a good birth, we look after people through pregnancy, to live, and one

of the important things i need to doing myjob give people a good death. will it change outcomes, though, anyway, if these conversations are had? because if you say to someone, 0k, conversations are had? because if you say to someone, ok, you can have x number of cycles of chemo, and we can keep you going, but there is another alternative, people might t another alternative, people might opt for less of... and that might be the best option for them, because we see people have gasly quality of life right to the end, and they think the chemo is working, and they suddenly realise, i am dying, and i haven't managed to have a decent quality of life when i could have done. to me, people vary, and you have to have the conversation about what you personally want, do you wa nt what you personally want, do you want to live longer but this might not be what will happen...? want to live longer but this might not be what will happen. . . ? so do people find themselves strapped into a system where they feel they should be going along with chemo, and they don't have the choice to say i would

prefer... ? don't have the choice to say i would prefer. . . ? we are don't have the choice to say i would prefer...? we are not don't have the choice to say i would prefer. . . ? we are not empowering people to be involved in those conversations, and we know that patients wants to. we know that early contact with palliative care improves quality of life, reduces pain and distress, and actually, for some groups, it does extend the life, so we need to be having the conversations earlier and allowing the patient and relatives to be involved in these discussions and decisions, and make decisions for themselves, rather than the sister making them. ore, we almost out of time, and! making them. ore, we almost out of time, and i want to hearfrom linda again, in the work that you are now doing with the good grief trust, how often a re doing with the good grief trust, how often are you finding that these conversations are being had? are things changing? thankfully, yes, there is a lot of work around palliative care and bereavement support, which we are thrilled at, but there still needs to be a lot of conversations opening up, have the honest conversations. 0ne widow said to me that a nurse took her aside

and told her husband to have a safe journey, because that is the only word they could use, but at least that was something, something that resonated with her. we do need to open up these conversations, definitely, and all these bereavement support services across the country are now thankfully under one new website us, so hopefully we have also started the appgs for bereavement services last year, so there is a lot of work being done, voices being heard around the country, and yes, very positive, a real wave of interest and support, i think good things are happening. we also need to be talking notjust about patients with cancer, but people with heart failure, people with dementia, who are dying, and we never mention it. we need to start talking to them — do you want to have a do not resuscitating piece of paperin have a do not resuscitating piece of paper in your house so you do not have the ambulance services crashing in on you if something happens? we

really need to start the and it is very difficult, not so much for a lot of patients, it is a problem for doctors, and we need to do better. lays on twitter says she had a similar experience to the one that linda had, with her husband, five stu d e nts linda had, with her husband, five students in the room, consultant with back to me, started to discuss do not resuscitating, appalling. so much better to have those conversations earlier. thank you all very much indeed forjoining us, thank you for your company today, bbc newsroom live is coming up next, i will see you next week, have a nice weekend. hello there. good morning. we started this morning on another chilly note, some patchy mist and fog around as well, you can see in this photo the fog just in the

valleys, above that plenty of sunshine, and it is a fine day for most parts of england and wales, ploughed into northern parts of england, hazy here, cloud across scotla nd england, hazy here, cloud across scotland gradually drifting away, so some brighter spells, sunshine here through this afternoon, maximum temperatures of 13—16 degrees celsius, looking mostly dry bar the odd shower. through tonight, well, some mist and fog developing, quite extensively, actually, across parts of england and wales into saturday morning, cloud into scotland and northern ireland, rain into the far north and west, temperatures ranging from four degrees in the east to about 11 in the west. the fog may be slow to clear, lingering in some parts on saturday, but for most of us, through the weekend, plenty of dry and fine weather, rain into north—western areas on sunday. bye— bye. you're watching bbc newsroom live.

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