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but insisted it was not ordered by the crown prince. the minister insisted that people would be held to account for what he said was ‘a criminal act'. turkey's president says he will reveal the truth of what happened on tuesday. the australian prime minister scott morrison is preparing to issue an apology on behalf of the nation to thousands who were sexually abused as children in schools, churches and orphanages. and this video is trending on bbc dot com. the duchess of sussex is cutting back on her busy schedule on her royal tour of australia with prince harry after reportedly suffering from tiredness due to her pregnancy. monday's planned engagements include a visit to lake mckenzie and a walkabout on the kingfisher bay. that's all. stay with bbc world news. now on bbc news, it's hardtalk. were expecting that announcement, the apology to the now it is time
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for hard talk. welcome to hard talk. my guest is a former business executive turned politician, chilima, vice president of the small malawi. now, he has left the ruling democratic progressive party and will run against the president and the elections next year or two as he put it, save the country from distraction and corruption. why is he criticising a government of which he criticising a government of which he is still an member? and if corruption is as bad as he describes, why doesn't the vice president use his influence to stop the rot? chilima of malawi, welcome to heart
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talk. why are you running against the very man that you stood with in 2014? i have the right qualifications to contest her office. why you turned against mutharika, and... 20 against
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him, it is not that, ijust want to exercise my constitutional right. see what to exercise your constitutional rights. are you... you like it is the delegated office, constitutionally. so as i see it,” still go to the office, report for duties and because of the office of the vice president that needs to be run bya the vice president that needs to be run by a team of them, i am still in that office. do you still have meetings with president mutharika? not afterjune. meetings with president mutharika? not afterjune. do you meet any of the cabinet ministers? not officially. except when we attend functions together. it could be,
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when you meet, you say hello because we work together. but you're still drawing their salary is vice president while discharging their duties? i am, but like you said... no, i have not met him. the office is there, the office has not been vacated. i am still in that office and available to provide counsel, to respond to inquiries by citizens and respond to inquiries by citizens and respond to inquiries by citizens and respond to inquiries by different organisations as they come. so there is meetings in the guidance provided in that office. we know that suspicion of why you let the government? and this is what is being said by people in malawi. why is he not resigning to ensure is that he really wants change? he's
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using the malawi tax money under the guise of vice president to fund his own party. is that not corruption because you set up your own party and july? i fire it, because you set up your own party and july? ifire it, you're in a very difficult position. maybe yes, maybe no. look, i do not think that it is entirely correct to say that i am using government money to support activities. that is that correct. that is the new party that you set up that is the new party that you set up injuly. that is the new party that you set up in july. it is a misrepresentation to say that we using taxpayer money to run our activities, because it not tax payers money. so you are not... the salary is there, i have a contract up salary is there, i have a contract up to may 2019 when the elections
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are due and these security detail thatis are due and these security detail that is provided by the estate because i'm still vice president. had a, has president mutharika ask you to go? if three cabinet ministers say it is hard to accept how chilima can effectively discharge its constitutional responsibilities and he's clearly taking a stand that is opposed to in challenges the province don't that is strange, we are fighting against corruption in speaking against corruption and nepotism, it is speaking against a government, a government policy rather, it is speaking against the evils. i would disagree with the assertions that i'm speaking against government policy. it is not government policy. it is not government policy. it is not government policy to promote corruption. but you're not a part of
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collective responsibility. do you not feel uncomfortable yourself saying that i am vice president, but actually president mutharika i have left her party and stand against you, but oh yes, i am ready to report for duty for you, sir?” you, but oh yes, i am ready to report for duty for you, sir? i do not feel uncomfortable at all, the office is there, i am there and i still work. you're staying put. see brought up the issue of corruption, they say that the vice president if they say that the vice president if the second most powerful person in the second most powerful person in the country and has been there for five years, the question is where was he all of this time to come out 110w was he all of this time to come out now to expose corruption? interesting, because four years, four and interesting, because four years, fourand a interesting, because four years, four and a half years, i've against corruption at different times. i am champion of the instruction transparency back home and we would get contracts and things in the arena, i have rebuked for works
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mentioned, i have spoken against ethics, poor ethics, with a public lecture. i was speaking when i was actively involved in the government affairs. it is incorrect to say that. but if corruption has reached what you say is an embarrassing level, you are in a very influential position to do something about that. why did you not stop the rot? you see, first is, you engage, there is a problem here. can we do something about this? and you speak publicly, pronouncements, stopping it means that when you make a recommendation, it's taken that when you make a recommendation, it's ta ken aboard. that when you make a recommendation, it's taken aboard. i can only make recommendations. i cannot make the file position. that is the present of the country. but you're not
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saying that the president is guilty of any corruption. but he has condemned corruption just as of any corruption. but he has condemned corruptionjust as much of any corruption. but he has condemned corruption just as much as you have, giving public lectures and so on. you have, giving public lectures and so on. he insist that all of the accusations are complete nonsense and that we are fighting corruption and that we are fighting corruption and if we all work together, we can stop this scourge, but not one person. so he is on the same page as you are. well, be corruption story and malawi is an interesting one. nobody disagrees that there is corruption. from the president, two opposition leaders, to businesses, to the community, everyone. the justice system says that the public resources did road bike corruption. and we seriously fighting corruption? that is the question we should be addressing and that is what we are coming from. we do not agree that the level of the fighters
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as it should be. because i know why start making allegations against people here, but we do know that there is corruption back on that is not being pursued because they are protected by their own government. they belong to their own party. but the anti—corru ption bureau they belong to their own party. but the anti—corruption bureau that exist in the country have been looking into allegations about contracts and money missing and so forth, and quite clearly at least in president mutharika's case, he has not benefited personally from any wrongdoing. and you say it is still reeling from the cash gate scandal of 2013 under the former president when tens of millions of dollars went missing. officials, politicians, all cut up the map. but —— caught up in that. but the president says audit come together,
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why can't you work with them rather than stand against him? first and foremost, the cash gate story, we have to look at it on a continuum, you can't pinpoint a particular, i think it is been going on for a few yea rs. think it is been going on for a few years. and the fact that there is need for collective efforts is also true. if we agree with that. however, if we are going to selectively pursue corruption cases, then we are not leaving, we are not living our promise. we need a situation where, from top to bottom, eve ryo ne situation where, from top to bottom, everyone that is suspected, must be brought under investigations and prosecuted and sent to jail. that is the only time we are going to seem to be really living up to our promise. otherwise, it is rhetoric and a lot of us are tired of the
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rhetoric, some will simply need to ta ke rhetoric, some will simply need to take drastic action. this sticking with the corruption allegations swirling around, and i'm not saying that she's guilty and anyway, and she has returned to malawi to contest the elections. but her record is poor. and we know that other countries withdrew funding to malawi, which accounted for about 40% of malawi's budget and the president reminded everybody injune only that when his government came m, only that when his government came in, there was absolutely no money, the country was literally bankrupt, the country was literally bankrupt, the deficit the previous government left was as huge as the national budget, in billions. so, why then have you met with her and talked about how you have a common vision? look, first and foremost, let's clarify. it is not politically,
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entirely correct to say that, and the budget. but as of the president said. provided 40% of our budget left us. the money still comes in through other channels. million—dollar still coming to malawi. but the point is, her presidency, even if she was not personally involved was very tainted. admitting it former president is not an issue, and having a vision as two different people is not an issue. and pronouncing the fact that people have got a similar vision was he the same picture, i don't think it matters whether they are convicts or not,. i am not saying you personally against her, plans is putting it to you, you're saying that, i am really against corruption and we're not doing enough, and yet you applied a
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president under whom there was this rampant corruption from the cash gate scandal and say you have a common vision with her. you just said that, but she is not a convict 01’ said that, but she is not a convict or she is not facing any, under... but she presided under great corruption. but she is not a convict, she is not answering the corrupt charges. but was a record good on tackling corruption? the it was brought out,, tens of millions are missing,. to say that her corruption record was poor. i think it's unfair conclusion. but to say that her regime, under her regime, that her regime, under her regime, that we found serious plunderer, those correct. did we do enough that
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is the question. the question is has he done enough. he himself says that not enough has been done, we are fighting it. absolutely, the point being, having a common vision does not necessarily mean that you will do everything at the same way. there is no one that has a monopoly over first and foremost, the knowledge of theissues first and foremost, the knowledge of the issues are the problems and malawi. the solutions people can own because this is what the result of brink. if we say for instance, we need to sort out security of the last three or four need to sort out security of the last three orfour or need to sort out security of the last three or four or five years, we've had problems with deficit, thatis we've had problems with deficit, that is a problem statement, how it is resolved is dependent, and the video demonstrations. but all of this fundamentally boils down to what president mutharika said, you
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wa nt to what president mutharika said, you want to be president. that is what he says. that is what all of this is about. really? i'm going to contest that for a fact. in order to, if i go to the elective conference and i am nominated, then i'm going to contest. if i am not, maybe it won't happen. so you might not stand for the you tm. i would like to go for a democratic process. i am one of the founders. i created it myself, there isa group. founders. i created it myself, there is a group. c might not be the presidential candidate. you like if someone comes up, so be presidential candidate. you like if someone comes up, so be it. does that give you enough time to build a solid base you have the established parties, particularly in the south of the ruling party with its stronghold in the south and the opposition malawi congress party,
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stronghold in the centre. what's important is what i am offering. let me put it this way, the election was next year, and not about changing one president or replacing a ruling party. the election is next year and this is about the future of the country. and therefore, we, think first and foremost, we are going to reach out to as many places as he possibly can and we think our message, we believe, our message is right. and we have the know—how and expertise to communicate in language that resonates very well with the people of malawi. it does not matter if there is six months left, we are still going to give it a big shot. we're going to give it our best effort in orderfor us we're going to give it our best effort in order for us to penetrate. there are some people in some parts of the country that are already excited, so the euphoria is one
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thing, but converting that devotes that we succeed is our mission. i'm just saying that he is quite an uphill struggle you've got a the strongholds of these parties in the main opposition party that hold 20% of the malawi congress. but quite a presidential many people in malawi are living in extreme poverty, rural dwellers. you seek to create 1 million jobs extreme poverty, rural dwellers. you seek to create1 millionjobs in extreme poverty, rural dwellers. you seek to create 1 million jobs in the year. do you really think that is possible because some are saying thatis possible because some are saying that is pure fantasy. it is very possible. and we look at the progression. sitting here today, we have, we describe as the developing
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country, this is the humid development —— human development index, according to, the stats from the national office will say that covered the levels of going higher. creating 1 millionjobs covered the levels of going higher. creating 1 million jobs and the environment is a challenge. but, unemployment is also one of the highest, and therefore the fact that there is high unemployment is opportunity, the sectors, but today our title —— are idle, 60% of the people, which we think can absorb people, which we think can absorb people there. the fact that... that activities creating many jobs people there. the fact that... that activities creating manyjobs in the year, is a tall order considering
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the environment, where the jobs will be created in the public or private sector? you're answering his question which is the agricultural sector? , agriculture is one, construction will be another, the civil service will be a third, look, unemployment is high, and both sectors. because instead of employing, people ask again laid—off. —— are getting. we will create a base that is going to consume. when organisations... whether it can be done. it'll be wonderful to create all of these jobs, but yes a very high barfor yourself. i have, because it can be done. it can and will be done. are you going to campaign on that? yes. 18 million people, and you're going
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to create 1 million 18 million people, and you're going to create1 millionjobs. the government, mind you, has been applauded. it is build some key infrastructure, emphasise some impressive roads, the world bank have books that president mutharika, you have done very well made great progress in human development in recent yea rs progress in human development in recent years and malawi. this of the last year that it is one of the ten countries in africa that has improved the most last year after implementing regulation reforms that made doing business easier. inflation is getting under control, so inflation is getting under control, so he has not done such a bad job after all. pat yourself on the back, you have been a part of a government. that credit goes to one person. the projection to 2.3% ——
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three pointer percent still not too bad. good or bad, we think we should bea bad. good or bad, we think we should be a lot more than where you are today. when asked about agriculture and of course, this is something that comes up a lot only talk about malawi. a lot of it comes in tobacco and that is not a great thing, people say smoking cigarettes, very harmful, they would like to see the end of people smoking, health organisations, it is a cash crop, not a food crop and a lot of food insecurity. plus, a lot of child labour. many children worked somewhere in the malawi economy and a lot of them in the tobacco farms. nicotine poisoning handling the crop. i think that you can'tjust
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say we will do away with it, but we are mindful of the anti—smoking lobby and the dangers associated with tobacco and terms of the nicotine and etc, and we need to diversify away from tobacco and that is being done. i think, including the tobacco companies, we will have to do the tobacco companies, we will have todoa the tobacco companies, we will have to do a lot more of that but we cannot wish away that industry because it has an impact on other sectors, transport, suppliers of fertiliser. and the million... we have to diversify, it is not going tomorrow, but we won't be to do than one year come because if you diversify, we'll are working with... finally, yet he distinguished career in business telecommunications and malawi, what makes you think that you can succeed where you think of
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have failed and malawi the shallow well, first and foremost,” have failed and malawi the shallow well, first and foremost, i was and 2014, i was chairman of public—sector reform and that was there for all to see. we started on very well and continued to say for us very well and continued to say for us to succeed, we needed a political driver which, i was graciously appointed to to steer that programme forward. and we recorded some su ccesses , forward. and we recorded some successes, but the point being is that there is a proven record of performance and with the label of passion and zeal in the know—how, that i possess, i do not see why we cannot turn around that economy of that country. i certainly think we can doa that country. i certainly think we can do a lot better if i was given
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an opportunity, i will do it. i will perform wonders, i can say that. vice president of malawi chilima. thank you forjoining us today. hello, we've had somewhat been the sunshine this weekend but by the end of the weak things are looking much older, more than a moment slightly northwesterly winds as we go to monday, area of high pressure is a prominent feature, but you notice this front is never too far away from the north of scotland and bring strong winds out, breaks of rain through monday and some of that is down to the northern highlands, but
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for much of scotland, northern ireland, england and wales is a fine start the week. sunshine, love it more cloud through the afternoon, these are average winched rings through monday, some strong gusts of the north west of scotland, 60 miles an hour, of the 70 miles an hour, a cool day ten or 11 celsius year and tactic day across the uk compared to the weekend with highs generally between 12 and 14 celsius. it was the the evening and overnight while it starts to work its way southwards across northern and western scotland and strong winds extending down to northern england and northern ireland further south stop it stays dry but quite breezy, all of us combined means it will not be as cold between five and 10 celsius. for more consistent rain for scotland, courtesy of this front thatis scotland, courtesy of this front that is still here, notice the squeezing the ice, still windy, particularly across scotland and
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northern ireland and on the northern england with stronger winds compared to the weekend and some persistent rain, between north and west of scotland, and close to the area down towards the borders here, some spells of sunshine, and northwest england and northern ireland, podesta sunshine the furthest out, 15 to 16 celsius, to the eastern side of scotland, 12 and 13 for the west. by the time he did wednesday, our front is west. by the time he did wednesday, ourfront is all west. by the time he did wednesday, our front is all the way, so mainly dry, one or two showers but fairly moist wind flow and that's to generate a little bit more cloud midweek but for most it stays dry, some dry spells of sunshine, particularly across the eastern side, temperatures between 14 and 16 celsius, but that mild air doesn't last very long, it starts to pull away towards the weekend, disc plunge of arctic air, it is going to deal very much older on friday and
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then into the weekend, strong and cold northerly winds, we could see some snow on the hills of scotland and northern england. goodbye. welcome to newsday on the bbc. i'm mariko oi in singapore, the headlines: saudi arabia's foreign minister describes the killing of journalist jamal khashog—jee as murder, but insists his death was not part of a high—level plot. the individuals who did this were outside authority and there was obvioulsy a tremendous mistake made. the australian prime minister comes before parliament to deliver a national apology to survivors of institutional abuse, we'll have live coverage from canberra. i'm babita sharma in london. also in the programme. taiwan's worst rail disaster in three decades leaves at least 18 people dead and more than 170 injured.
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