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the bbc has new evidence that china is building a vast network of detention camps in its western region of xinjiang. there are claims that up to a million muslim uighurs are being held indefinitely without trial. the chinese government says the camps are simply vocational training centres. donald trump has called saudi arabia's response to the murder ofjournalist jamal khashoggi a total fiasco and "the worst cover—up ever". the state department has announced that the visas of those involved in the killing would be revoked. mr kashoggi's son has met saudi's crown prince. at least 20 people have been injured, some of them seriously, after an escalator at a metro station in the italian capital rome ran out of control. it's thought most of those involved were russian football fans in the city for a european champions league match. now on bbc news, tuesday in parliament. hello and welcome to
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tuesday in parliament. coming up in the programme: will your medicines still be there after brexit? we are worried about shortages, places not getting medicines and huge price rises for the nhs. the minister tries to re assure patients. i am confident so long as everyone does what they need to do that, we will have that unhindered supply of medicines. and a warning that a law to tackle insurance fraud could harm genuine victims. the civil liability bill, as it stands, will see a regression in the ability of genuinely injured people to seek compensation and justice for their injuries. all that to come and more. but first: nhs trusts and healthcare suppliers have warned of a series of "nightmares" for patients
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if britain leaves the european union without a deal. mps were told there could be problems with the supply of medicines and even food for hospitals. but the health secretary insisted that while a no deal brexit is not likely, he's confident that emergency planning is going well. mps on the health committee asked key figures in the supply of medicines what kept them awake at night. we only have two or three weeks to start, and it is very dependent on supplies coming in. so any challenge to that, we have a frictionless border, will be a shock to the supply. so we are worried about shortages in patients not getting medicines and huge price rises for the nhs. and responsible for also taking this stuff, but is your worst nightmare? a number of worst nightmares, actually.
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when we think about our, health care is inherently a risky business anyway and the uncertainty adds to that risk. so supply is a huge issue, we have already been pressured out there in the nhs. the timing of this is also critical in the timescale, so i think there has not been sufficient time for national level planning, frankly. and also, although it is speeding up now, the timing in terms of coinciding with other pressures across the nhs. we are approaching winter and that is a pressurised time for trusts on the front line. she denied the trusts were scaremongering and said they had to plan for every scenario. patients listening to this evidence might be alarmed at some of the prospects for a no deal. potentially a catastrophic time, emergency powers, patients put on different drugs than the ones they are prescribed. should patients be stockpiling their own drugs? no.
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i think we are here on behalf of patients and are actually trying to sort this issue out to make sure politicians of all parties understand the concerns we have. this is one of the last opportunities we might have to speak in this type of forum. the mps then questioned the health secretary, matt hancock. he said he was confident britain would strike a deal with the eu. how confident are you that people will actually get the medicines that they need on the shelves and that hospitals will have the complex biologicals and other diagnostics tools they need? i am confident that so long as everyone does what they need to do, then we will have that unhindered supply of medicines.
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however, there is an awful lot of things that need to take place. you mentioned for instance, the storage needs and the need to stockpile and we have issued today, an invitation for additional storage capacity. i was little bit surprised to hear from the nhs providers that there has been some reference to possible difficulties around feeding patients. they said it was mentioned in some of the technical notes. can you give us some reassurance? we are asking all the main suppliers of food to hospitals to ensure that they have contingency arrangements in place for anything that they currently source from europe. sir chris wormald. the latest attempt to allow women in northern ireland to access abortions there has cleared its first parliamentary hurdle. the labour backbencher, diana johnson introduced a bill that would change the law not only in northern ireland but also in england and wales. abortion in our country is underpinned by the oldest legal framework for any health care treatment. with the harshest sentences in the developed world for women having an illegal abortion. poland, the usa, canada and parts of australia
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do not criminalise women. in my view, the law needs to be updated to deal with the advances in women's health care, sexual relationship education and the role of the internet. all alongside the changing attitudes in our society. she said the 1967 act legalising abortion had saved women's lives. but it didn't apply in northern ireland. it is one of the harshest abortion regimes in the world. with no abortion available in cases of rape, incest or fatal fetal abnormalities. and this is what a woman from northern ireland says. "i spent christmas day in casualty with my two children. my husband had beaten me to a pulp, he had repeatedly raped me. six weeks later, i discovered i was pregnant. i could not continue
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with the pregnancy knowing that my husband would carry out his threats to kill me if he found out. i went to my gp who said that abortion was illegal in northern ireland and refuse to help." but a conservative argued that the bill which would also apply to england and wales could lead to abortion on demand, with women terminating unwanted girls. it's no good the honourable lady arguing as she has that the regulations or practise could cover that issue. the fact is, if her proposals go through, the abortions will not be illegal in this country up to 24 weeks. do we want to go the way of canada? now described as a haven for parents who would terminate female foetuses in favour of having sons. and she said with the northern ireland assembly suspended it wasn't for westminster to change the rules. we must respect our settlements, particularly in the instances
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of northern ireland. whatever the views, we must vote against this proposal, it is unconstitutional, it is legally incoherent, it is untimely and it is unwanted. fiona bruce. mps voted to allow the bill to continue its parliamentary journey but without government support it's highly unlikely to become law. british food is sometimes treated as a joke abroad. but why is the food we eat here often poorer quality than that eaten in supposedly poorer countries? that was the question a senior labour mp wanted answering when her committee probed the issue of food insecurity. the environmental committee heard that poor food intake is leading to increasing rates of obesity. first, experts outlined the scale of the problem.... a wealthy country like the uk
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could have so many people experiencing hunger and food poverty and not knowing where the next meal comes from or as the phrase goes, one pay check away from falling into food crisis is shocking. i think it is part because we have not taken this issue seriously. we have done it in a piecemeal fashion and there is no strategic approach to tackling the root causes of food poverty and hunger in our so—called, advanced economy. the weather's about to change, people are going to have to choose between heating in their own homes and food. people are born not working and other people are being missed in this country, i said we want to end hunger, we have to start feeding the poor. we need to start feeding everybody and make sure everyone has the human right to have access to food. it is possible for a household to be facing frequent bouts of what we would call food insecurity, struggling to put food on the table and also, experiencing high rates of obesity because that uncertainty around where you get your food from creates not only a set of unhealthy habits, a lot of health problems that go with that, but also a reliance
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on the very cheapest form of food which are not very nutritious. i went to school a boy called callum, eight years old, he thought told me that apple come out of plastic bags and did not know that they grew on trees. the next generation do not have a relationship with their food. if we have legislation in this country that supported the right to food, the right to decent food in this country, we would allocate responsibilities to different institutions. could you do your bit of the pie? and not only would we be measuring food security, will be reporting on success in improving the nutritional quality. four ministers then came to the committee session... we are blessed with an abundance
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of ministers, we set some sort of world record. perhaps we could begin by questioning them on the most recently available data which suggests that 10% of the uk population is food insecure. that is 6 million people in the fifth richest country in the world. that is a disgrace, isn't it? we know there are fewer people in absolute poverty, since 2010, if you look at the definition of families that can afford a meal, it is now a 5.4% rather than the 10% figure that you just quoted. research says that 20% of children under 15 live with responder who is moderately or severely food insecure. so we're not talking about poverty although the two things are connected.
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we are at the bottom of europe for percentages of children under 15 living in a severely food insecure level, though the romania, lithuania, albania and slovakia. much poorer countries then we are. i am greatly encouraged that there are million fewer people now in absolute poverty and the food insecurity measure of family not affording a meal is almost halved, still more to do and that is why i wish to work closely with support organisations. including people such as the trust. if people have got good ideas on how we can help those in society get the support that they should be getting, i want to do that, learning that lesson of benefits where people are missing out on an average of so many pounds a month. you're watching tuesday in parliament, with me, david cornock. don't forget that if you miss our daily round up or you just want to watch the programme again, you can catch up
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via the bbc iplayer. coming up: an mp tests a minister's expertise. the secretary of state is nodding. he seems to know the answer to everything. what is it? the clerk of the commons parliament's most senior procedural adviser, has said he's always been aware that there is "a sub culture of bullying and harassment" of parliamentary staff. but sir david natzler said he'd done his best to make the commons a "better and happier place" for employees. he was speaking to mps about the cox report, which called for action to tackle bullying and harassment. the cox report into harassment and bullying has been a particularly traumatic thing for parliament to confront, and a certain amount is laid at the door of the house service, and i wanted to give you this opportunity to put something on the record about that. about how you think the leadership of the house service should be
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responding to this report, regardless of how the rest of parliament responds. the house of commons commission which oversees the running of the palace of westminster is meeting on wednesday to agree a formal response to the cox report. on a personal basis of course the cox report and its conclusions were shocking, not altogether surprising, and i think we are all taking time to absorb what is a complicated and very long report, and to work out from that what is the way forward. i would say since i was appointed acting clerk almost exactly four years ago today, i have done my best to make the house service a better and happier place for those who work here, but i think i and others have always been aware that there is a subculture of bullying and harassment of house staff. and that is not only by members, which is of course tolerable, but it also by other house staff, and that was made plain in the cox report, that this is not something where anyone in the westminster community can feel happy. we have a legacy of unresolved
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and serious issues from past years which continues to poison the well, and we have to deal with those. but we also have to remember the vast majority of house staff are proud to work here. i'm not bullied or harassed, but members, that's you, have, i believe, a high regard for the house service, and the vast majority of you and your colleagues get on perfectly well with us, and we with you. but there are problems, and they need to be urgently addressed, and they will be. sir david natzler. labour has criticised planned
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changes to the compensation system for personal injuries such as whiplash. the government intends to raise the small claims limit for injuries in road accidents from £1,000 to £5,000. so, more claims would fall within the small claims process where legal costs are not awarded. that could mean that people are more likely to pursue a case without a lawyer. ministers say the measure will reduce fraudulent and exaggerated claims, aided by claims management firms. but labour warned that it might deter people with a legitimate case. there is a huge financial incentive for claimants to have a go, encouraged by claims management companies, in the hope that they can make a successful claim. defendants... let me finish the point then i will give way. defendants, typically insurance companies, mhave rather irresponsibly taken the view that because defending one of these claims, probably successfully, will cost £10,000 or maybe more, they simply choose to settle, they may pay out three or £4,000 without bothering to defend the client. stock—car racers, who obviously during the course of their
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activities encounter multiple collisions, and yet they don't seem to suffer any form of whiplash, or at least in a far less state than others and this is also the prevalence across the world tells us that people in greece make far less claims per accident than we do in the uk. perhaps he could offer some comment on that. indeed, my honourable friend once again makes an excellent point. not only have the claims for these kinds of injuries dramatically increased over the last ten years at a time when road traffic accidents have gone down. by comparison with other european countries, notjust greece, but also countries like france and germany, the prevalence of these whiplash claims is far higher here than it is in those otherjurisdictions. could it be that british necks are weaker than french and german ones? or could it be that our system is encouraging fraudulent claims? i think the honourable memberwho is making an excellent speech has actually answered his own question in that he has talked
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about the prevalence of claims management companies and the way that they are inciting people to make claims on an industrial scale. surely it should be those claims management companies and the insurance companies who they are linked to in most cases that should be bearing the brunt of this problem, and not the innocent victims of accidents, which this bill seeks to do. the honourable member mentioned the purpose of raising the small claims limit to £5,000 and what it will do. what it will do is deny victims of injury access to justice because the government's impact assessment expressly says that. i don't accept the premise of the honourable lady's intervention. i think for these smaller claims where the value is less than £5,000, it's perfectly possible and perfectly reasonable for an individual to submit theirown claim, they are relatively simple matters. the changes to personal injury compensation sit alongside the civil liability bill, which would ban insurers from settling claims
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without medical evidence. the civil liability bill as it stands will see a regression in the ability of genuinely injured people to seek compensation and justice for their injuries. the narrative of wanting to clamp down on fraudulent claims has long been and a statistic the government are using to justify these policies are entirely erroneous. a labour proposal to increase the small claim limit in line with inflation was rejected by mps. later on, the civil liability bill was approved by mps. it will come into force in april 2020. the government has come under further pressure to take action against saudi arabia over the killing of the journalist jamal khashoggi at its consulate in istanbul. president erdogan of turkey told mps from his own party that the "savage" murder" was planned days in advance. in the lords, there were calls for britain to end arms sales to ryiadh, which has given
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conflicting accounts of what happened. labour said the uk had to show saudi arabia there were consequences for its actions. now that we do have the conclusions of turkey's investigation, the question i would ask the noble lord is what are the consequences promised by the foreign secretary? what further steps will the government take with our allies, to help bring those responsible for this murder to account? will the government accept that the uk's arms sales for use in the war in yemen must be suspended, pending a comprehensive un—led investigation? this is not a matter we can leave any longer to the saudi authorities. we talk about the importance of our economic relationship. that relationship is overwhelmingly dependent on arms sales, and i think the long—term questions hanging over that are who is dependent on whom when you have that sort of one side relationship? i share the deep concerns expressed
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by the noble lord collins, what i'm sure it is also shared by every single member of your lordship‘s house, about the details of what is unraveling. there has to be credibility in the saudi statement, that it absolutely clear. if we take back the account in recent weeks, what started as a denial has been translated into an accidental attack through a fight that may have ensued has now by the saudi foreign minister himself, admitted in his words, not any other words, but the words of the saudi foreign minister, that it was a murder, and it is appropriate that we see the turkish investigation present its full results. we brought in legislation which this government professes to comply with saying that arms could not be sold to be used for external aggression or internal repression. now, external regression
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is what the saudis are doing in yemen on a massive scale, and i think we need to reset our relationship with saudi arabia, particularly in the light of this barbaric murder. by the way, the president championing journalistic freedom is something else. the minister told him there would be lessons learned from the murder ofjamal khassoggi. ministers have sought to reassure older people in england who have so far been unable to get a flu jab at gp surgeries and pharmacies. they've said deliveries of a new, more effective vaccine recommended for patients aged over 65 ? have been staggered because there is only one supplier. 0ne veteran mp was not impressed. about two hours ago i rang to have a flu jab less than a mile away from here, and unfortunately they said they had run out and they'll not be able
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to do it until november two. the secretary state is nodding. he seems to know the answer to everything. what is it? will he give me the answer? it never happened under labour. what was the question? if he is claiming there were not enough flu jabs under labour, but i might agree with him because there is more flu jabs, there's over 4 million flu jabs that have already taken place, and i'm delighted that lots and lots and lots of people want flu jabs, because everybody who needs a flu jab should get one. of course the arrival of the flu jab medicine is in phases, because we have to make sure we get the right flu jabs, but if he can carry on promoting flu jabs for the elderly then i will be delighted. is the honourable gentleman satisfied? no. mps held a special debate in westminster hall on the future
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of this very channel. earlier this month, the bbc announced that planned cuts to programmes on bbc parliament had been shelved. the corporation had said injuly that the channel would no longer make programmes but would still show live coverage when parliament is sitting. but then in september the director general, tony hall was questioned about the proposed cuts by mps on the culture committee. lord hall suddenly said in reply, "i want the programmes to continue. let's say we continue reviewing what we do, could we do this better? could we do it more effectively? but do not read into that necessarily as something that we intend to do. it was a glorious moment, and some of you may have watched... some of the house may have watched, and i think it's called w1a, a bbc comedy that is about the inner workings of the bbc, and there with a similar one about the inner workings of the olympics.
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this was a w1a moment, so the poor press office at the bbc had to then issue a press release saying the dg has said certain programming on bbc parliament will continue as before. it was a very elegantly achieved u—turn. then the speaker stepped in, mrs robinson, but he also made representations. it looks now that bbc parliament is going to continue very much as it has before, with its current staffing levels and produce this range of programme. bbc parliament, as the uk's only channel dedicated exclusively to politics, is therefore an example of the public service ethos which lies at the heart of the bbc — providing a service that cannot be provided by anyone else. the monthly reach of the dedicated parliamentary channel is almost 2 million viewers and listeners. this is all delivered, by the way, with a content spend of only £1.6 million.
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that is just 0.1% of the total bbc television content spend last year. i'm not privy to the reasons why the bbc were reviewing this channel. if it was to save money the golden rule that i used to follow when i was in business about saving money was that you can only save money from where money is, and that is a very small budget to start with. margotjames. and that's where our budget runs out for tuesday in parliament. do join me at the same time tomorrow for all the highlights from wednesday in parliament. bye for now. hello there, good morning.
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it is still quite mild. yesterday we had similar temperatures. it will sta ke had similar temperatures. it will stake quite mild. the colder air arriving once these moves south. it probably will not be as a windy. a bit of drizzle here, perhaps into north—west england. southern parts of england and south wales seeing the best of the sunshine. temperatures up to 17 degrees. 0vernight, a little bit more rain through the west of scotland and cloud pushing its way down further into england and wales say would not be as chilly. pretty mild across the board for scotland. rain in the
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north of scotland. the far north of scotla nd north of scotland. the far north of scotland some breaks in the cloud. heavy rains over the highlands in particular. temperatures are easing a little bit. but the really cold and it comes behind that rain, the cold front, the weather front of moving southwards overnight and into friday, allowing us to draw air from the arctic sir it will feel much colder. sunshine around. some showers in the western side of the uk. those temperatures in the afternoon. it will be fairly typical, struggling to make double figures in the southern part of england. we are drawing down this cold northerly wind. a significant windchill. wintry showers continuing overnight and into saturday over the
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hills. more showers coming into eastern parts of both england and scotla nd eastern parts of both england and scotland on saturday. further west, you will see the best of the sunshine but cold. 7— nine degrees. it stays cold through the weekend and into the beginning of next week. the winds tending to weaken. sunshine but also spells of rain. welcome to bbc news, broadcasting to viewers in north america and around the globe. my name is mike embley. our top stories: the bbc reveals evidence of a vast new network of internment camps in china. it's thought as many as a million muslims are being held inside without trial. if this really is all about education, then why the effort to stop us getting close? the moment the saudi crown prince, widely suspected of ordering the killing ofjamal khashoggi, meets the murdered journalist's son. president trump gives his strongest condemnation yet. it was carried out poorly. and the
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