should the world punish saudi arabia? the plight of china's muslim minority. and as the us midterm elections aspproach, do bad words beget bad actions? with me is christina lamb, chief foreign correspondent with the the sunday times. janet daley, columnist with the sunday telegraph. mustapha karkouti from gulf news. and the us journalist michael golfdarb, host of the podcast the first rough draft of history. perhaps the most chilling image of the week shows the prince clutching the week shows the prince clutching the hand of a bereaved subject. the hand of a bereaved subject, offering condolences on the killing of his father. it's mohammed bin salman, crown prince of saudi arabia meeting the son ofjamal khashoggi, a dissidentjournalist whom the saudis now admit was murdered by their own intelligence officers. the expression on salah khashoggi's face is hard to interpret. if the allegations are correct, he is shaking hands with the man who ordered his father's death. this week, prince salman condemned the killing, turkey pulled back from publicly accusing him, and only germany decided to suspend arms sales.

do you think that the prince is out of the woods? is he safe now?m looks like it, absolutely. it depends on his father. he is the ultimate authority. he is the guy who decides what. but let's notjump to any conclusion now because things ta ke to any conclusion now because things take their own course in the gulf. we mightfind take their own course in the gulf. we might find an action on his fate maybe later in one, two or three yea rs maybe later in one, two or three years down the road. that is how things go. that is, of course, if he is confirmed to be behind the killing. in my opinion, the question of who actually ordered the killing will never be known, in my view. for

the rest of our lives. that is how things are anyway. what about the consequences of saudi arabia's reputation? we had this big international future finance initiative took place, a few high profile people didn't turn up, a lot of international business, plenty of people did and were quite happy to be seen with the prince. there were precious few consequences for saudi arabia's future. jamal khashoggi's fiance has refused an invitation from donald trump to the white house because she doesn't feel that the usa is taking serious action against saudi arabia. i didn't find the facial expression of his son difficult to interpret at all. he looked absolutely terrified and appalled. the interesting question is why was this so crassly amateurishly done? why did they perpetrate this ridiculous story? it reminds me of the salisbury rocher incident. maybe these people are not

incompetent thugs, maybe they are defiant, arrogant bustards, if you will forgive the language who feel they can get away with anything and know they can get away with anything. it doesn't matter if they tell a absurd lies about what they have just done. they are not going to take the consequences. saudi arabia is too much of a stupendous business opportunity for the west and they are not going to suffer any consequences. and they are not going to suffer any consequences. it is interesting when we talk about business opportunities, mohammed bin salman‘s plans for the country are hugely dependent on getting foreign money in. that was the whole point of this initiative. i think foreign direct investment in saudi arabia fell from nearly $7.5 billion in 2016 to 1.4 billion last year. there is surely not the sign of enough money and enthusiasm to meet the demand for 1296 enthusiasm to meet the demand for 12% unemployment and he wants to create 450,000 jobs over two years.

maybe he is trying to diversify the economy away from oil and he is getting good publicity for it, everybody seems to be dazzled by his reforms and have ignored the other things that are happening. i was quite angry when the coverage and discussion of the women being allowed to drive, i had been in touch for years with some of the women activists who were lobbying for that who had been locked up. that didn't seem to get very much cove rage. that didn't seem to get very much coverage. now it seems as though, i think, the prince, if he was behind this, he has got away with a number of things without any international criticism. it would be thought he could get away with this. frankly, if it wasjust could get away with this. frankly, if it was just about killing jamal khashoggi, there were other ways to do it which people wouldn't have been so obvious. this looks like it was sending a message. sending a message. it is interesting to pick

up message. it is interesting to pick up on what christine was saying, 15 years ago this month i was in saudi arabia on a visa obtained form by jamal khashoggi. he was working in the london consulate because he had lost hisjob as the london consulate because he had lost his job as the editor of the newspaper in saudi arabia but he have protection from within the royal family from another prince. we have long conversations about they we re have long conversations about they were afraid... i got a visa and i went, ispent were afraid... i got a visa and i went, i spent three weeks on my own, i wasn't supposed to be on my own but the ministry turned up to provide me with guidance. the thing that i take away from all of this is that i take away from all of this is that the royal family is huge and it is factional. 0ne faction, the faction of the prince is in the ascendant. when he took over, the we st ascendant. when he took over, the west was saying, "0h, ascendant. when he took over, the west was saying, "oh, this is the

moderniser. " west was saying, "oh, this is the moderniser." it was jamal khashoggi in the washington post saying not to believe it, it is all cosmetic, the guy is not. this is angering and he no longer have this protection. that is why he ended up dead. no longer have this protection. that is why he ended up deadlj no longer have this protection. that is why he ended up dead. i think the reason that they were angry about him doing it was because of what you have said, he was an insider who represented the house of saud. the man was an insider for a very long time. it is only in the last 12 or 13 months that he was out. all his life, he was a part of the establishment. do you think some of those foreign policies established in other countries are, better the devil you know and the fear that what ever his flaws, picking fights with qatar and canada and the war in yemen and this terrible incident, if it is attached to him, it is better than the alternative? we can hear

now what we here in the media. it is not necessarily... there is a system in the kingdom, you inherit the state from your father or from your brother. it was the case before that you would take it from your brother. king salman changed the norm and he gaveit king salman changed the norm and he gave it now to his son. so that certainly angered a lot of people, no doubt. in this enormous royal family? to go back to jamal khashoggi's location or place in that set up, he has always been a close, loyal to the authority after the establishment itself. if there was anything which led to his murder, in my view, it was not political but personal more than

anything else. but it is a warning to every dissident. well, yes, the warning has been there for ever. in the entire middle east. do you think there will be consequences for the prince because, as you said, he is upset with a lot of people and has changed the system, he has cut out other strands of the royal family and locks up all those princes in the carlton hotel. locking up the other princes in the ritz hotel was welcome by the people of saudi arabia. i'm talking about other people in the royal family being upset with him. this is nothing new, it is coming to the surface, maybe. it has always been there, hidden behind. it is quite a soap opera. the uk government has told china of its "serious and growing concerns" about the treatment of uyghurs, a muslim minority, most of whom live in the north west province of xinjiang. there are 10 million uyghurs, but human rights campaigners say up

to 1 million of them are in detention camps. the bbc has seen analysis of open source satellite images, that suggests the number of secure, prison—like facilities has more than doubled in the last two years. china has not responded to the bbc investigation. in the summer, chinese diplomats said they were dealing with the threat of islamist terrorism through " resettlement and re—education." if so, it is on an extraordinary scale. it is astonishing seeing those pictures. people interned at seeing the chinese tv 's mistakes tv footage when they talked about the re—education and said that people we re re—education and said that people were enjoying it and it was making life more colourful. that sounds like quite a euphemism!‘ life more colourful. that sounds like quite a euphemism! a few years ago, iwent like quite a euphemism! a few years ago, i went to guantanamo and at that point, there were uyghurs, i

think there were 22 of them. this is the argument that the chinese are using that they are islamic terrorist and need re—educating. actually, the uyghurs in one had a rope we re actually, the uyghurs in one had a rope were caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and no one knew what to do with them because they said it would be dangerous for them to return home. i think some of them to return home. i think some of them were sent to bermuda and albania and all kinds of places. the argument made by the chinese is that this is something that are trying to deal with, the islamist terrorist threat, there have been incidents like in 2014 when more than 100 people were killed in attacks which they blamed on uyghurs. 0ne people were killed in attacks which they blamed on uyghurs. one of the big groups is actually listed as a terrorist organisation by the british and american governance. i'm glad you brought up the historical because this didn't come out of nowhere. what happened was the chinese are trying to move people off the coasts. they are sending

people, fan chinese, encouraging them to go to xinjiang. this is in them to go to xinjiang. this is in the middle of nowhere in the central asia. the western part of china. local uyghurs were being pushed out as they came out onto the streets and demonstrated, there was it is that kind of thing, not so much islamist terrorism. tibet is certainly exactly the comparison point. china is an ethnically diverse, vast country. the hannah chinese are, by and large, the great majority and this state is trying to move majority and this state is trying to move people around. the communist leadership has no problem forcing new movements of populations, they will go to whetherjobs are. what you've got is a situation where they

are trying to control the population and there is no better way than controlling the population than by putting one in ten of them in a prison camp. that is nature of the chinese regime at its heart. they have a lot of people and they use very blunt tools to try and reshape the organisation of their society. what do you think it tells us about cheating paying's regime? what do you think it tells us about cheating paying's regime ?m what do you think it tells us about cheating paying's regime? it reminds me of tiananmen square and the cultural revolution. this is the chinese brand of totalitarianism. rewiring people's brains so they come out either dead or agreeing with you. that seems to be the chinese model and it is not... the business of the internal minority, the russians and chechens. the chinese seem to have a particular way of going about it. people thought that as china had economic

prosperity, people would then start wanting political change. that things would change and that hasn't happened. in the history of china, we have seen that before in 1976, i think, during the cultural revolution. mao zedong at that time felt that the people needed to be re—educated. felt that the people needed to be re-educated. the scale of this is staggering and the global times reported between january and staggering and the global times reported betweenjanuary and march of this year, 461,000 people had been relocated to improve social stability and unity. when you think of the scale of the cultural revolution, everyone with an education or a middle—class occupation was suspect and was re—educated forcibly. occupation was suspect and was re-educated forcibly. you have to have your redbook, remember? we have

spoken so often about islam and the understanding of islam in the west, pakistan just last week has inked up a new trade pact with china with whom it shares a border on the other side of the mountains. the chinese say islamist but they do a lot of business with islamic countries. people forget about this. ahead of a meeting with her mps this week, one unnamed colleague apparently told a newspaper theresa may "should bring her own noose." words are one thing, actions quite another — as donald trump's press secretary said in response to suggestions that his sometimes violent invective had contributed to the atmosphere in which parcel bombs were sent to leading public figures, including barack 0bama and hillary clinton. you are just back from the united states, in the last week or so,

taking the temperature on the campaign trail from the taking the temperature on the campaign trailfrom the mid—term elections. the uc a sense in which the political debate has been more polarised and in which words are influencing actions? it is a very good question. at street level see all feel anything. it is all through the media. people are getting in theircars and are the media. people are getting in their cars and are in trafficjams on the interstate and around the cities, it is what they watch at night. people don't talk about politics to one another. they know where they are coming from and being middle—class protestant or middle—class protestant or middle—class catholic in northern ireland, it is just middle—class catholic in northern ireland, it isjust not discussed. we discussed what we are having for dinner. it is odd that way. the poison is out there, it is indisputable. the good have a whole seminarabout indisputable. the good have a whole seminar about why we shouldn't cover president trump the way we cover

him. i mean we, the news media. everyday, every single day, every time he opens his mouth. 0r tweets, and these tweets where he talks about fake news and these are the enemies of the people exception. there is an inevitability that it will tip someone over and to be honest with you, i am surprised it hasn't happened more often. this is not, by the way i should say, it didn't start with donald trump. right—wing talk radio really burst out in the early 1990s and in 1993 timothy mcveigh and some converses blew up a federal building. the federal government is our great enemy, they blew up a federal building in oklahoma city and killed more than 180 people. it is part of american discourse and i think it is quite extraordinary that it doesn't happen more often. agreed, but, bizarrely, when he attacked the media for stoking this rage and this frustrating, he attacked the mainstream media which is critical

of him. if it was the mainstream media that was responsible for an outbreak of violence, those people would be attacking him and his supporters, not the people who agree with them. the whole logic of the thing seems to have been completely turned around and he became... when he is teleprompter trump, turned around and he became... when he is telepromptertrump, he is peace and harmony, when he is tweaked trump, he is this bizarre, absurd, demagogic figure who gets people to chad lock her up! he gets huge armies of people to clamour for, at one point, he said he wanted to punch someone, a protest in the crowd and see him carried out on a stretcher and the crowd cheered. what does he think is going to happen asa what does he think is going to happen as a consequence of this? this kind of division in american society is not new. i go way back andl society is not new. i go way back and i rememberthe protests society is not new. i go way back and i remember the protests over the vietnam war and i remember the civil rights demonstrations and i remember

three civil rights activists being murdered in mississippi. i remember kent state university being shot by the national guard. this kind of division and polarisation isn't you, what is new is that the president, the president seems to be involved in this war. oddly enough, the predecessor who was most like trump in the sense of his own paranoia and sense of personal victimhood was richard nixon. richard nixon famously, one night if you remember, left the white house and went out and talked to the demonstrators who we re and talked to the demonstrators who were protesting about the fiat and war. he talks to them in a very civil, courteous way and he claimed afterwards that it had changed his mind. he said that is when he decided to withdraw from vietnam. can you see trump doing that? that is the closest in modern american history to the pattern that trump is setting. he is talking like something out of a mid—20th century horror story. coming from a different material point of view...

he spoke at one point about migrant infesting communities in america. likening them to vermin. does he know nothing about 20th—century history? nothing! the president of cnn said the other day that words matter. if you are the most powerful man on earth saying things like that, it will have an effect, james capper, one person who received one of the devices, we don't know what the motive was for the investigation, he said that he doesn't think there is automatically a link but he did say that, "i do think that donald trump there's some responsible is it for the coarsening of civility and the dialogue in this country. " of civility and the dialogue in this country." you also have a democratic congresswoman maxine waters thing to people that if you see anyone from the current administration in a department store or a petrol station or restaurant, you should go out and create a crowd and you should push

back on them. not physically but tell them they are not welcome here or anywhere. the hostility is spreading across the board. some proportion here, the difference between sending a pipe bomb to barack obama or going up to mitch mcconnell in a restaurant and saying... trump is accused of using language. that has happened across the board. he is normalising that sort of aggression and licensing it. i remember the idea that saying that the us president has lied was something that people really wrestled with. i can't remember, it is thousands of times he has lied now. i think the way that he has been talking and behaving, we are seeing a change, notjust in the usa but in other places. people look up to that country. look at saudi arabia. we have seen that happening

before. words matter, especially when they come from the president. the congressmen can say whatever he wants, but when they come from his mouth, the president... there is an ecology around him. the bomb story started breaking on wednesday when the first bomb was turned up at george soros's house in suburban new york. just down the road from where the clintons live. almost immediately, i doesn't very popular right—wing radio talk—show hosts we re right—wing radio talk—show hosts were tweeting like mad. this is a plot by the left. it is a liberal hoax. they are trying to win the midterms by blaming it on trump. i haven't seen a thing from them since the arrest yesterday. this is all pa rt of the arrest yesterday. this is all part ofan the arrest yesterday. this is all part of an ecology. the president spent all his time listening to them, who spends four hours every morning watching fox news. sometimes

calling in and said of reading his intelligence briefs, by the way. he talks on the phone of the chinese and russians listen, it is a messy situation. it is absolutely true that as the president met he sits on top of all of this. what is happening and what is disturbing, coming back from america after the la st coming back from america after the last three weeks, is that there is still... i was down at the border in texas, the wine club monthly meeting ofa texas, the wine club monthly meeting of a border town, public and drinking wine down there, they will tell you that ted cruz, we don't like him. donald trump, and embarrassing. who are you going to vote for? republican. why? because they are making money. the cynicism, they are making money. the cynicism, the brutal cynicism of about 40% of the brutal cynicism of about 40% of the american public, or 38%. 2% like the american public, or 38%. 2% like the guy who sent out the bombs and

they are dangerous. the guy who sent out the bombs and they are dangerouslj the guy who sent out the bombs and they are dangerous. i have almost falle n they are dangerous. i have almost fallen out with republican friends of mine in new york who are not millionaires. it is not money for them, they hated hillary vinson with a vengeance. them, they hated hillary vinson with a vengeance. they didn't want the judge that would would institute this liberal hegemony. they were adamant that hillary clinton should never be president. that fits into the equation as well.|j never be president. that fits into the equation as well. i was going to say that this has an effect, you talk about the usa, people around the world look at the us president. brazil goes to the polls tomorrow foran brazil goes to the polls tomorrow for an election where it looks like they are about to elect a man who has abused women, abused homosexuals, is racist. now it seems like it is ok to do that. it would have been unthinkable for a public figure to make these kinds of statements. the political

correctness is huge in america and the meat to movement... this guy who admits to have abused women is unquestionably popular... well, he is not unquestionably popular, he is maintained in the presidency. it is not like being a prime minister, it is idolised in america. the presidency sets the tone for the public discourse. yesterday, when he was going on, sorry, friday, when he was going on, sorry, friday, when he was going on about peace and harmony, the absurdity of that. you have to laugh if you didn't cry! it was just... have to laugh if you didn't cry! it wasjust... it was like a very bad joke. it is quite surreal at this point. look at america, the whole world looks at america in the same way. you say it's about joke. thank you all for delivering such commendable punch lines. thank you ray much watching and i will be back

at the same time next week. from all of us on the programme, good night. we have seen some snow in the showers earlier this morning. particularly in scotland and north east england. through this afternoon, the showers will mostly be of rain. we still have cold air coming down from the arctic, this northerly wind bringing a chill today. despite the sunshine as many of us are still enjoying. more showers coming into northern and eastern scotland, sliding their way southwards away from north—east england, through the midlands toward east anglia and the south—east. the showers in northern ireland, wales and the south—west are getting pushed offshore. more sunshine arriving here. gusty winds below is

arriving here. gusty winds below is a showers, particularly around coastal areas, that will make it feel cold. these are the maximum temperatures this afternoon. maybe a touch higher than that for south—west england and south wales. a reminder that the clocks go back at 2am in the morning. back to 1am. 0ne extra hour in bed. as we head through the night, there will be more showers coming into eastern scotla nd more showers coming into eastern scotland and eastern parts of england, possibly quite a rash of showers coming into lincolnshire, east anglia and the south east of england for a time. most of these will be rain. temperatures would be quite so low. as you have further west and north in the uk, we are into blue areas. it is called here because we have high pressure building into the north west. clearing skies and the winds become light as well. the wind direction is changing the sunday, not really a northerly, more of a north—easterly. that is dragging in the showers into eastern scotland and eastern england from the north sea. a scattering of

showers, less on sunday. be quite frequent in kent, essex and towards the channel islands. wales, the midlands and western scotland having a dry and sunny day but a cold one nevertheless. as we head into the early pa rt nevertheless. as we head into the early part of next week, monday sta rts early part of next week, monday starts off cold and probable it quite frosty as well. temperatures could be down to —2 or minus three celsius. it looks like monday should bea dry celsius. it looks like monday should be a dry day. we have a weather front trying to come in from the west with shah was coming into these coastal areas. most places will be dried with some sunshine around. those temperatures getting up to eight or nine celsius. turning more u nsettled eight or nine celsius. turning more unsettled as the week goes on. this is bbc news. the headlines at 12:00am. a man is charged over a series of letter bombs sent to prominent critics of president trump — the president condemns what he calls "terrorising acts". reviving the high street — the government is to cut business rates for small retailers

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