good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: cracking down on the 4,000 gangs behind organised crime. ministers say they're a greater threat than terrorism. it comes as a senior police officer says forces are "seriously stretched" and need to solve more burglaries as doctors are given the power to prescribe medicinal cannabis, patient groups warn the new guidelines are too restrictive. british scientists have found a way to track endangered species of whales, by using images from space. switching jobs for a payrise. new recruits are paid around £1,500 more than current employees in the same role. lets be frank. it was a dramatic return to chelsea for frank lampard. it ended in defeat, as 2 own goals handed his former club victory over his new one derby in the league cup. good morning. this morning it is a wet start in many eastern parts of the country, that will slowly clear, leaving brighter skies with sunshine and a few showers in the west. i will have more in 15 minutes.

it's thursday the ist of november. our top story — as one of britain's most senior police officers says forces should focus more on catching thieves and violent criminals, the national crime agency says serious organised crime is now a greater threat than terrorism. a new assessment has concluded that more people are harmed or killed by gangs than by all other national security risks put together. the chair of the national police chiefs‘ council, sarah thornton, says forces are over stretched and should prioritise core—police work. this report from ben ando. a raid on a gun factory this summer, but this is just the tip of the uk's rampant organised crime problem. it is not just rampant organised crime problem. it is notjust guns. drugs, fraud, trafficking, cyber crime. 0rganised gangs are increasingly behind them all. and wild terror attacks or extra in weather events may grab the

headlines, it is serious organised crime that does the real damage, killing more people annually than terrorism, national disasters and war put together. the national crime agency believes there are around 4600 agency believes there are around a600 organised crime gangs working in the uk. it is estimated that are now costing the economy £37 billion every year. in 2013, that cost was estimated to be about £aa billion, meaning it has gone up by more than 50% injust meaning it has gone up by more than 50% in just five years. so today, ministers are launching a new strategy with emphasis is on economic investigation. the government says it also wants to tackle those who indirectly help criminals launder their money. that could be courageous selling luxury cars, schools providing expensive private education, or those selling tickets to exclusive sporting events, all of whom it says, could and should do more to report suspicious spending. to pay for it,

£a8 million will be diverted from other police budget. some say that isa other police budget. some say that is a mistake. the public expect an effective response to organised crime and terrorism, to focus on the vulnerable, but they also expect the basics. responding to emergencies, solving crime and neighbourhood policing. others say the task isn't helped by years of cuts to police numbers. ben ando, bbc news. specialist doctors in the uk can now prescribe medicinal cannabis to some patients for the first time. the change in the law came in response to a campaign on behalf of severely epileptic children but patient groups warn many people are likely to be denied access to the medicine, as david rhodes reports. harry has a rare form of epilepsy, but this ten—year—old is full of life. this syringe here is 1ml. at the moment, harry's parents can legally buy non—medical low strength cannabis oil, which costs

over £300 per bottle. they say without the oil, harry was having potentially fatal epileptic fits every day. harry was dying before our very eyes. we spent days where he just lay on the sofa. he didn't go to school, he couldn't do anything, so you were with him really 2a hours a day. as harry grows up, his parents say he may need stronger medicinal cannabis products, a reason they want him to have a prescription, but local doctors say, at the moment, harry won't qualify. the nhs says the cannabis products will only be prescribed for a small number of patients in exceptional circumstances, where licensed medicines have not worked, and specialist doctors say patients will only be given medicinal cannabis as a last resort. for that small number of patients where i have run out of other options, where this is something worth trying, absolutely, it's great that it's there as an option, but it's not the miracle drug that it's sometimes portrayed as. taking or supplying cannabis for recreational use is still illegal across the uk, and the government says it has no

plans to legalise cannabis use more widely. patient groups and charities have already called the new prescribing guidelines restrictive, which will leave many families still searching for a long—term medical solution. david rhodes, bbc news, north yorkshire. and we'll be speaking to the ms society about their thoughts on the law change in just over half an hour. fake news on social media is being blamed for damaging parents' faith in vaccines, according to england's chief medical officer. professor dame sally davies says online myths are behind a fall in children getting the jab for measles, mumps and rubella, as our health correspondent james gallagher reports. the mmrjab the mmr jab protects against measles, mumps and rubella. but they have been over 900 cases of measles already this year. completely discrediting the claim that causes

autism, has caused for a. rates recovered, but in the past three yea rs recovered, but in the past three years they have been falling again. when the infection rates drop you get complacency, but there is also this dreadful social media, fake news and people peddling myths and stories. they are absolutely wrong. asa stories. they are absolutely wrong. as a young doctor, sally davies treated children as they were dying from measles. chic stridency expense as horrific. she started the anti— backs the great putting lives at risk by saying mmr was unset. people are spreading these myths when these children die will not be there to pick up that it. she said the vaccine had saved millions of lives around the world and encouraged pa rents to around the world and encouraged parents to make sure their child was vaccinated. a global study has warned that the amount of heat absorbed by the oceans over the past 25 years has been seriously underestimated. researchers say the seas have absorbed 60% more heat than previously thought, which means it could be harder to keep global warming within safe

levels this century. too many prisoners in england are in unsafe and unsanitary conditions, according to a group of mps. members of the health committee say too many prisoners suffer poorer health after being jailed. the ministry ofjustice says it's introduced a package of measures to help prisons better manage the complex health needs of offenders. far too many prisoners are still in u nsafe, far too many prisoners are still in unsafe, and sanitary prisons, subject to overcrowding, and this is having an impact on their health and also the health of those who are within prisons. we have made a number of recommendations about what needs to be done to get to grips with this and tackle the really serious health inequalities that are faced by the prison population. the amount that parents contribute to school budgets has increased by more than 25% over the past year. a survey by the charity, pa rentkind, found parents across england, wales, and northern ireland pay an average of £11.35 a month for things like clubs, books and school funds.

that's up £2.a5 on the previous year. the government says it's putting more money into schools than ever before. the food critic giles coren has defended the former editor of waitrose food magazine, who lost his job after comments he made about vegans. william sitwell said he was joking when he replied to a freelance writer suggesting a series of articles about "killing vegans, one by one". fellowjournalist giles coren described the reaction as a "twitter storm" and blamed the departure on "a national obsession with taking offence". he made a joke. he didn't make a very good joke. had it been me, i wouldn't have been as offensive. if it turned out to be a career ending joke, you at least want it to be funny andi joke, you at least want it to be funny and i don't think williams joke was funny. he replied to a letter saying... he said we will commission killing begins. it really

wasn't funny. terrifying for me as a journalist trying to be funny that you can lose yourjob in 2a hours for a bad gag. for the first time, scientists have used high—resolution satellite images to count and identify species of whales from space. researchers from the british antarctic survey hope the technology can improve conservation efforts, by more accurately assessing whale numbers. here's our science correspondentjonathan amos. big, beautiful, but we are a little sketchy on their numbers. whales are recovering from commercial hunting, although how well is open to question. the problem is their range. whales will cover vast tracts of the globe, what is needed is a rapid way to survey the oceans, to see him in on their breeding and feeding grounds. the answer is the sharpest videos from space ever released. if you look closely, each one of these white specks is away all. is a whale near the surface. we

can use these very high resolution images to count the number of whales in any particular area. whales have previously been counted from boats and planes, but these are small scale surveys. now scientists using the latest satellite images to cover the latest satellite images to cover the whole earth. key is the improved resolution, you can see anything larger than 30 centimetres across. this means that features such as ins and tables can be observed and the at animals identified. whales were pushed to the edge of extinction by a commercial whaling, some species still number in the low thousands but they are recovering and scientist are still keen to learn everything they can about their progress. the task of counting whales from space will only get easier as more and more satellites are launched. soon we will have a sharp picture at every corner of the globe, updated every day. johnathan amos, bbc news. that would be fascinating. it is

literally like a blob and they can identify it. easy to spot last night was frank lampard at chelsea, where he was the record goalscorer, he is taking the team back. you cannot write the script. which club scored four goals in the league cup against one conceded, but still went out? what was the score? it was 3-2 to chelsea, so two of them were own goals, effectively they scored four. frank lampa rd says he felt a lucky man, to have returned to chelsea to such a standing ovation, and his new team derby, certainly impressed even though, they lost. after two own goals, chelsea did actually score one themselves. cesc fabregas, sealing a 3—2 win for chelsea, as they progressed to the quarter finals of the league cup, at the expense of derby. there was controversy in the edinburgh derby as

hibernian manager neil lennon was hit by a coin that was thrown from the crowd. the game against hearts finished 0—0. jose mourinho has avoided punishment after manchester united successfully contested a charge, that he swore in portugese after a match against newcastle last month. the fa says it's surprised by the outcome. and rafael nadal, has pulled out of the paris masters because of injury. it means that novak djokovic will replace him as the world number one. going ahead towards the end of season atp finals in london later this month. more in the papers, shortly. autumn has sprung. what do they say about it? it has been with us they say about it? it has been with us for a while. i was thinking about how all of the leaves are turning red. great for making something for

the bonfire. have you never done that? 6:13am is the time. i know what you mean at! i feel like that all the time. carol is in wisley with a look at this morning's weather. if you want to see a very nicely tended garden, this is the place to be. morning carol. good morning all and you are not wrong there, it is beautiful here at wisley. what you are looking at at the moment is the butterfly lovers pagoda. a very romantic story around this like romeo and juliet and i will tell you about it as we go through this morning. first of all, actually start across parts of scotland and northern ireland, the risk of ice on the surfaces in the north—west. we also got some patchy mist and fog to watch out for first thing as well. if you are in the south, it is much

milder than it was this time yesterday. the forecast for today is one of rain in eastern areas clearing and then we are looking at some sunshine coming out, but also some sunshine coming out, but also some showers, particularly so in the west and particularly so for the north—west. the first thing this morning we have got the frost to lose, ice to clear and the mist and fog to clear. two distinct areas of rain, they will merge as one and push off into the north sea. clearing east anglia and shetland last, when they do clear, it may not ta ke last, when they do clear, it may not take until early this afternoon before they do clear, we will be left with a lot of cloud. moving away from the west with sunshine and away from the west with sunshine and a few showers. cabbages in single figures, double figures the rest of england and wales. if you are in the channel islands it will be fairly cloudy with showers too. heading to the overnight, the rain clears everywhere and we are left with clear skies behind, so there will be

a widespread frost. many of the showers in the west will die away and we will hang on to some in the north—west, those temperatures, you will notice it heading out first thing in the morning. tomorrow we start off on a frosty night, patchy mist and fog should lift and there will be a lot of sunshine. however, through the day in the west, we have got low pressure with the extended front coming in, that is the re m na nts of front coming in, that is the remnants of a hurricane and it will introduce cloud wind and rain coming in slower than what we thought this time yesterday. you can see what happens friday into saturday. the deep area of low pressure, all of the isobars, it will be when you but especially in the north—west. we have fronts moving to the east as well. on saturday we have all this rain extending across scotland, moving northern ireland, across england, wales, into the south—west as well. windy wherever you are, driest in the south—east, strongest

with severe gales potentially across the north—west. that clears overnight and a heads up on sunday, another area of low pressure coming in from the south moving north, introducing rain but it would be as with. it is looking lovely, looking for to sing that once the sun comes up. let's take a look at today's papers: the metro reports a chief constable's call for over—stretched police forces to "get back to basics" and focus on violence and burglaries instead of recording incidents of misogynistic verbal abuse. the paper says sara thornton's plea drew criticism from campaigners. we'll be talking about crime generally this morning as well, including organised crime. the times suggests sara thornton's comments will be seen as a challenge to the home office which has asked the law commission to consider whether misogyny and ageism should be included in hate crime legislation. the paper also has a picture of the duchess of cambridge at the imperial war museum in london reading messages from her great—great uncles who died

on the western front. the daily telegraph leads on research which suggests men who father children at a5 or older are more likely to give their babies health problems. the woman pictured is the former brand director of topshop, jane shepherdson. she describes her former boss, sir philip green as a "bully", claiming she spent years protecting her team from him. last week he was named in parliament as the businessman behind allegations of bullying and racial behaviour. he denies behaving unlawfully. the daily mirror leads on the story we told you about here on breakfast yesterday, the launch of an investigation by the fca into the insurance sector, it says, "finally firms face probe after years of ripping off loyal customers". you got a glimpse of them. they are still with us this morning. big story in the times today. they have an exclusive about those brexit negotiations which are ongoing. they

say there has been a deal struck for the financial services sector. a sigh of relief or the uk banks, basically that they will still have access to the eu market. —— for the uk banks. it is an issue where people thought would be agreed early on, because it is mutually beneficial to the european market and to the city of london in particular, but it seems a deal has been reached. as a result, overnight trading in the pound has increased and it has increased in value in asian trading on the back of that good news for the city of london. a couple of other stories. good news for northern towns. 0ne couple of other stories. good news for northern towns. one is that news we heard yesterday, that channel a have picked leaves for their new headquarters —— leeds. they will be moving up to leeds to create listening centres. they will spread the impact of jobs listening centres. they will spread the impact ofjobs in the creative industry. another story, this one is about preston being named as the

most improved uk city. apparently they have shot up the rankings. this is according to a pwc survey. including unemployment, house prices, transport, and other factors. i don't know much about preston at all. i am not sure the viewers do. is there a top three? let me have a look. preston is numberia on the let me have a look. preston is number ia on the list. london is let me have a look. preston is number 1a on the list. london is 15. oxford is the best place to live and work, it is number one. i never much for you. preston, the hub of the north for american football. thousands play. there you go. we filed a piece about how important is for the uk's american football. on the back pages, the autumn internationals. lots of pictures

about dylan hartley in his strawberry trunks. behind the story of the trunks... strawberry trunks. behind the story of the trunks. .. you should explain, they are still in portugal. this is not ina they are still in portugal. this is not in a water park in blackpool or something. that is not the thing i thought you needed to explain about portugal. it was the strawberries. they are very fashionable. it was a press session. when you say strawberry, vax we have pictures of strawberries on? they not strawberries on? they not strawberries ballot. —— they actually have. the story i am trying to tell you about them, he is trying to tell you about them, he is trying to win his 9ath for england. just seven months ago his future and his career were seven months ago his future and his careerwere in doubt seven months ago his future and his career were in doubt because of the concussion he was suffering. some we re concussion he was suffering. some were writing him off. now he is going to try to become the second england player to get caps. after jason lambert. some considerable distance ahead. the other

significant story, this sunday, for the first time in english premiership rugby, they will have a female official, referee, in charge of the match between wasps and northampton. the assistant referee as well. we have had tojoin neville, a former ireland international refereeing an international refereeing an international match. but this will be the first time in top—flight by be the first time in top—flight rugby union, domestic rugby union it has happened three. it is coming in premier league football. she says it is only a matter of time before we get a female referee in the premier league. it has happened in germany, the first in europe, one of the european top leagues, a woman officiated a match in the bundesliga. a first thought sara cox at wasps stop a couple of things from the inside pages. this is an

american campaign, a pro—trump campaign has used a seaside town in essex to warn that this is what america could look like if they do not back the presidency. this is an essex village. the people there are very cross about this. they say the town is starting to go forward and it should not be getting as bad publicity. the other story, which owner could your right and made your brow furrow, is that chunky chips could be off the menu. the reason? the potato crop has been hit by the weather. the hot summer means we are having small potatoes. and prices are going up. have you noticed potatoes getting smaller? they do all their growing potatoes getting smaller? they do alltheirgrowing in potatoes getting smaller? they do all their growing in spring and summer. i suppose it makes sense. are now sweet potatoes. you think it means a smaller chips? potatoes, but you canjust means a smaller chips? potatoes, but you can just cut less chips on a potato. so you use one potato to

make one chip. yes. no, you would probably get two out of it.|j honestly did not know the potato crop, that individually the potatoes we re crop, that individually the potatoes were smaller this year. yeah. i have not gone down the vegetable rack and said this one is smaller. potatoes are going down by 15—30% this year. ancely potatoes are the alternative. our sweet potato while as well? -- and sweet potatoes. let us know your experiences this morning. with just days to go until the us mid—term elections, president trump has been on the campaign trail again, rallying support from some of his most devoted followers — evangelical christians. and in the latest of a series of reports for breakfast, our north america correspondent chris buckler has been to mississippi, looking at religion's influence on america's upcoming vote. across the united states, religion

and politics feel part of the same conversation —— fuel. and politics feel part of the same conversation -- fuel. join us as we issue a christian response to the issues of the best focused on talk radio stations didn't shy away from the topics that can cause such division in this country. often they appear to embrace them. they say we should have an open border at the south side of our country, the southern border, but they live in gated communities. right. that's right. mississippi are said to be the most religious state in the us. here at the university in oxford, there are several active christian groups, evangelicals among the republican party and among donald trump's most devoted supporters.|j can trump's most devoted supporters.” can share with others... at the back to student union there were many who recognise the preston's laws, but his hardline views on one issue mattered more than any other, abortion —— president. mattered more than any other, abortion -- president. it plays a huge role in every public decision i

make. just because they think human life, at its core, is that valuable. i think there were a significant numberof i think there were a significant number of christian evangelical vote rs number of christian evangelical voters who basically albinos as they voted for donald trump, because of the stench of his moral life —— held banners. they went with the person who represented their values and their policies rather than the person who was good in their personal life. in the calgary baptist church in wisconsin, you will find people keen to show their deep beliefs, both in god and in conservative values. because i am overwhelmed by the love that god has for me, i'm going to reach out to the community around me and everyone that i bumped shoulders with on a daily basis. but i believe that my conservative view is also tied into that. i don't think that you can

separate the two. this is much more thana separate the two. this is much more than a bestselling book. the republican party is a natural home for many of the views held by this congregation. but that means they need to put their faith in congregation. but that means they need to put theirfaith in president trump ona need to put theirfaith in president trump on a man whose lives and alleged affairs suggest a life less than godly. i think that can probably be said of every politician. and i don't know that he isa politician. and i don't know that he is a politician, but we are all sinners saved by grace, see if he can recognise that and get advice from other people and, you know, surround himself with wise people i would be comforted in that. you get the impression that some christians are having to find forgiveness in order to praise donald trump. but the president and his republican party know that in the evangelicals they have done something of a political lot. chris buckler, bbc news, oxford, mississippi. this is what is coming up on

brea kfast this is what is coming up on breakfast this morning. ross edgley has already broken records as he swims day and night, 2000 miles around britain. we'll catch up with him just days before he finishes his remarkable challenge. time now to get the news, travel, and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london news. london has the highest rates of caseareans in the country — with almost a third of women giving birth this way last year. nhs data shows some hospitals in the capital had rates 8% higher than the national average. nhs england says it's partly down to women getting pregnant older and high levels of obesity. it is worrying when we see rates go up it is worrying when we see rates go up and up all the time, because it seems unlikely that all of those are absolutely needed. but it is very

difficult to tell that from the date. it needs every unit to be looking carefully at what they are doing and making sure there is no influence from the wrong external factors. a man has died after being fatally stabbed in rotherhithe. police were called to southwark park yesterday afternoon and found a man in his 30s, with stab injuries. meanwhile, two other men were shot during a fight in upper norwood. both were taken to hospital. no arrests have been made. officers attended. the 02 arena has been found to be the most popular live music venue in the world, according to a new report. the 2017 study by uk music reveals that the uk has more than 1a5, 000 people now working in the industry. but experts warned of "major impediments", including a decline in musical education, a rise in the number of venues closing down and the poor financial rewards for artists. let's take a look at the travel situation now. there's a good service on the tubes this morning. 0n the trains southern and thameslink services

between streatham and tulse hill are suspended due to overrunning engineering work. 0n the roads in euston, hampstead road remains closed between the euston road and william street for emergency water works. northbound traffic on the blackwall tunnel southern approach is slow from the woolwich rd flyover. heading out of wandsworth through putney heath, the a3 is closed westbound at the tibbets underpass due to flooding. now the weather with elizabeth rizinni. good elizabeth rizinni. morning. it is the first day of november good morning. it is the first day of november but a much milder start to the day than we have been used to of late. put your umbrella in your back this morning because they will be spells of rain on and off about because of the day and then it will turn dry out later on in the afternoon. here is that rain. some of it could turn out to be heavy at times. it will pull east was as we had through the second half of day. it will be quite cloudy and breezy at times, then it will dry out from the west later on through the afternoon, perhaps before we get to

sunset there will be time for late brightness for the western home counties. top temperatures of around 11 or 12 celsius. through this evening and overnight that cloud will clear away. the winds will feel quite light. we will probably see a touch of frost into tomorrow morning, maybe some mist patches. temperatures between niners two and plus two celsius. we keep a cloud longest in the east, that is where temperatures will tend to be above freezing. tomorrow, a lovely day, top temperatures of 12— 13. dry with a turnaround. milder and brother windy on saturday. —— and rather windy. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now, though, it's back to charlie and naga. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with charlie stayt and naga munchetty. the time now is 6:30am. we'll bring you all the latest news and sport in a moment, but also on breakfast this morning: the siege of waco in

1993 shocked the world. now a new bbc podcast reveals the untold story of the britons who died there, and how cult leader david koresh came to the uk to groom new followers. as new baggage rules come into effect on ryanair and wizzair today, colletta will talk us through what it means for passengers and ask if other budget airlines will follow suit. and father and son andrea and matteo bocelli will be here to tell us about music, films, and royal weddings. good morning. here's a summary of today's main stories from bbc news. a new government assessment has concluded that the threat posed by serious organised crime is now greater than terrorism. analysis by the national crime agency says more people are harmed or killed by gangs than by all other national security risks put together. ministers are pledging to combat more than a,000 gangs that are active in the uk. one of britain's most senior

officers says forces are over stretched and should prioritise core—police work. the public expect an effective response to organised crime and terrorism, to focus on the vulnerable, but they also expect the basics. responding to emergencies, investigating and solving crime and neighbourhood policing. it is this core policing which is seriously stretched. specialist hospital doctors in the uk can prescribe medicinal cannabis for the first time from today. a change in the law was announced in the summer, following a high profile campaign on behalf of severely epileptic children. but patient groups warn many people are likely to be denied access to the medicine because the guidelines are too restrictive. fake news on social media is being blamed for damaging parents' faith in vaccines, according to england's chief medical officer. professor dame sally davies says online myths are behind a fall in children getting the jab for measles, mumps and rubella. speaking on the 30th anniversary of the introduction of the combined vaccine, dame sally said it had

saved millions of people around the world. a global study has warned that the amount of heat absorbed by the oceans over the past 25 years has been seriously underestimated. researchers say the seas have absorbed 60% more heat than previously thought, which means it could be harder to keep global warming within safe levels this century. too many prisoners in england are in unsafe and unsanitary conditions, according to a group of mps. members of the health committee say too many prisoners suffer poorer health after being jailed. the ministry ofjustice says it's introduced a package of measures to help prisons better manage the complex health needs of offenders. the food critic giles coren has defended the former editor of waitrose food magazine, who lost his job after comments he made about vegans. william sitwell said he was joking when he replied to a freelance writer suggesting a series of articles about "killing vegans, one by one". fellowjournalist giles coren described the reaction as a "twitter storm" and blamed the departure

on "a national obsession with taking offence". mike's here with the sport. you know when former players have gone back to their former club and often they get booed. not a bit of it last night, frank lampard was cheered by all fans. the most popular man in the whole of west london last night. he did his old clu b london last night. he did his old club in favour. big returned was spoiled i to own goals. —— is big returned was spoiled by two own goals. —— his big return. the first was an absolute shocker, and was scored by a player on loan from chelsea.

he just couldn't sort his legs out. the second was just as bad. derby gave it a real go though against the premier league side, but chelsea eventually won the game 3—2 and there was warm applause for lampard at the ground he once called home. elsewhere in the league cup last night, son heung min scored his first two goals of the season for tottenham as they beat west ham. spurs will play arsenal in the quarterfinals after their north london rivals beat blackpool. there was an ugly end to the edinburgh derby in the scottish premiership. the hibernian manager neil lennon goaded hearts fans after a late goal was disallowed, and was then hit by a coin. he wasn't down for long and was fine afterwards, but said that he was absolutely furious. the game finished 0—0. celtic meanwhile are up to second in the league after a comfortable 5—0 win at dundee. tom rogic‘s opener was the pick of the goals. jose mourinho, has avoided punishment after manchester united successfully contested a charge, that he swore in portugese to television cameras. you might remember that this happened after united got a late winner against newcastle last month when there were loads of questions

over mourinho's job. the fa says it's surprised by the outcome and has not ruled out an appeal. arsene wenger says his nextjob in football won't be in england. wenger has been out of work since leaving arsenal last may. he says he's had plenty of offers, and will return to management in the new year. i will be back, yes. but not in england, probably. certainly not because i have dedicated my whole life to one club, you know, and it would probably be difficult for me and would not be well accept it. —— accepted. next to a big moment for rugby union. a female referee will be in charge of two top—flight english men's teams this weekend. sara cox will look after northampton v wasps in the premiership rugby cup on sunday.

it's another first for the 28—year—old who was made the first prefessional female rugby ref a couple of years ago, and was also the first woman to referee a second—tier men's game. also you have got a female being the television match official in the premier cup and also an assistant. it is really coming on, women's refereeing in rugby union.” it is really coming on, women's refereeing in rugby union. i think it is progress. i think people who know sport well says it is interesting that it is —— it has happened in rugby. less deference. it can be a confusing ground, when the ball goes to ground, helped by television officials. yes, you feel it might come, it has happened in germany in the top—flight. rafael nadal has withdrawn from the paris masters tennis, meaning that novak djokovic will replace him as the new

world number one on monday. the spaniard had been due to make his comeback after nearly two months out with a knee injury. but he's felt pain whilst serving and has been advised that playing in paris would only make it worse. and finally, to mark his 58th birthday, diego maradona has been immortalised in his home country of argentina. a statue's been erected in buenos aires showing maradona scoring his second goal against england in the quarter—finals of the 1986 world cup in mexico. i can't imagine there will be many england fans flocking to see that one. hasn't their famously been worse ones? ronaldo. that has been changed. i think that one will stay. it is put one minutes to seven, good morning. —— 21 minute ‘s.

—— 21 minutes. as we've been hearing, specialist doctors in the uk will be allowed to prescribe medicinal cannabis for the first time from today. but concerns have been raised that despite the law change, it still won't be available to some who would benefit. let's talk to genevieve edwards from the ms society who's in our london newsroom. let's get some basics out of the way, this has nothing to do with recreational cannabis, does it? no, absolutely right. this is purely for medicinal use, for people who could then set for whom existing treatments are not working. is not just your average gp in a position to do that, can you clarify that? —— it is not. it will be illegal to prescribe it today but only specialist will be able to prescribe it and that is for people like pain specialists or neurologist we're who will be in a position to prescribe it, but not your gp. so ms sufferers might think this is a step forward because it could be hugely valuable.

what are the areas of concern about whether it might work in practice? changing the law is a huge step forward and we should recognise that. we have campaigned for this and we are delighted to see it. our concern is that the guidance that has come out today seems to be contrary to the wishes of the home secretary. i can't see how it is going to make it any easierfor people with ms to get hold of cannabis for medicinal use and what the evidence shows is that it can really help with pain and muscle spasms and these symptoms can be relentless and exhausting and make everyday life really difficult. cannabis has been shown that it can release these awful symptoms. the guidance seems to be focusing on narrowing down the number people who can get it and we think there is about 10,000 people with ms who desperately need it today. again,

explained that for us. if you have ms, you are not able, explained that for us. if you have ms, you are notable, as explained that for us. if you have ms, you are not able, as it stands at the moment, to place yourself or get referred to one of the specialist gps and then be able to access these products. if you have ms at the moment, you will have access to a neurologist who will be looking after you and helping you to manage your ms there are existing treatments available to manage pain and spasms but they do not work for everyone. our medical advisers suggest there is about 10,000 people for whom treatments are not working at the moment, who could benefit. at the guidance that has come out to help those doctors with prescribing is really looking to dampen down the number of prescriptions that they give. is not talking about the evidence for pain, it is not making specific recommendations around

muscle spasms. we are concerned about that. what we would like nhs england to do is to revisit this guidance, speak to neurologist and get their advice on broadening it out so that neurologist can prescribe cannabis for medicinal use for people with ms who could benefit. your concern is that there will be people who could benefit and in theory, could be allowed to be prescribed these drugs, but that is just not going to happen. yes, it is difficult to see what would change in the short—term. i should say that longer term, the national institute of health and clinical excellence has been commissioned to produce permanent guidance and that will come out next october. this is interim guidance and it is hard to see how things will change under what has just been published because the chief medical officer back in july said there was compelling evidence that cannabis for medicinal use helps for pain and spasms and the guidance we saw come out

yesterday contradicts that. so, in this process, you have a neurologist, you have ms and someone you are seeing on a regular basis. you are presenting to them with the conditions you describe. are you saying it is then at the discretion of the neurologist, under the new rules, still whether or not they decide to do it. they can but may decide to do it. they can but may decide not to, and you have no way of addressing that if they say no, thatis of addressing that if they say no, that is it. that is it. the way it is drafted, it looks to limit the number of prescriptions. it says very clearly, they expect a very small number of people to be able to access it and we know that there are 10,000 people with ms waking right now for that relief. —— waiting. we would urgently ask nhs england to revisit this because a change in the law is a great step forward but the

guidance seems like a step back. carol is in wisley with a look at this morning's weather. this is just this isjust a this is just a little this isjust a little hint of this is just a little hint of some of the lovely buildings that come from at the gardens. good morning. good morning. in fact, this particular pagoda has a lovely romeo and juliet type story around it. basically, it is chinese folk tales. what happened was a chinese girl, in order to get to a particular school, had addressed as a boy. when she was at that school she fell in love with the boyt but he did not find that she was in love with him until it was to later she was engaged to be married —— to dress as. he died of a broken heart, on her wedding day she threw herself in and together they emerged as butterflies. this pagoda was built to inspire us with that story. it is a lovely dramatic

story. it is a lovely dramatic story. the weather is quite hear it, it is quite murky. there is mist around. it is down. there has been rain. the forecast is we have rain in the east which will slowly cliett website are coming from the west with some showers. if you are stepping up first thing this morning in scotland or northern ireland is a cold start with frost around. watch out for ice on untreated services in scotland. we have some patchy mist and fog, notjust in scotland and northern ireland, but parts of england and wales. that will slowly lift. there are two bands of rain, one across southern scotland heading in through northern england and wales got and across east anglia and the south—east. they will merge and slowly clear away into the north sea. clearing east anglia and shetland last. behind that band of rain, to the west, dry and bright sunshine. some showers in the west. temperatures cool in the north, a little bit milder as we push for the south. through this evening, eventually we lose the rain com pletely eventually we lose the rain completely from east anglia and

shetland. under clear skies it will be cold, widespread frost, there'll be cold, widespread frost, there'll be fewer showers in the west, we will hang on to them in the north—west and we will see patchy mist and fog. these temperatures, you will notice if you step out early in the day. tomorrow we start off on that cold note with the mist and fog lifting. lots of sunshine. in the area of low pressure, which is ex— hurricane oscar, that comes into the west, introducing thicker cloud, strengthening winds, and heavy rain. it is coming in slower than we thought this time yesterday. into friday and saturday, we are looking at that area of low pressure, you can see it in the pressure, you can see it in the pressure charts, moving across the north of the country. here in the north of the country. here in the north it will be very windy, particularly the north—west of scotland, with gales, even severe gales, as well as the wind we will have heavy rain across scotland, moving through northern ireland, northern england, wales, and south—west england. it will be drier in the south—east. but it will be windy where ever you are.

temperatures picking up because the wind is now coming from the south. overnight saturday into sunday that area of low pressure clears. 0n sunday we have another one, not as potent, coming up from the south—west. i hope you enjoy that story. i actually felt sorry for the wife left behind at the altar. the husband, yes! it is all very well them swanning off as butterflies, but there was another poor lady who was left at the altar. you are com pletely was left at the altar. you are completely ruining this story. it is romantic. get involved in the romance that. it was not romance, it was mean! carrall, thank you.” don't think you is off as a butterfly. i think i flicker. really? yesterday we were talking about loyalty to insurance companies. we have a story today about more loyalty penalising those who have loyalty. that's right.

it was insurance yesterday, pay rises today. research from the jobs website, totaljobs, has found that there is a big difference between new recruits and people that have been in the same role for a while. geraintjohnes is an expert in the jobs market and a professor of economics from lancaster university management school. good morning to you. to that first issue, it is difficult to ask for a pay rise. is that essentially the problem? it is. we are used to the idea that people are paid what they area idea that people are paid what they are a weapon they are paid on the basis of what they contribute wafer. we have two distinct between movers and staggers, people who do not move. those who move get themselves into a position where they can be reassessed regularly, whereas those who stay put their employers in a very strong market position. similar to the case of insurance, if you don't change your insurer year after year, then the insurer has a handle on you, has some kind of grip, in and is able to exploit that inertia. the fate —— same thing happens with firms. we have seen several studies

that have measured the impact of this on people's pay. there was a study many years ago looking at cat homes in the south of england, looking at care workers and seeing that they were paid about 10% less asa that they were paid about 10% less as a result of this kind of inertia. more recent study in the united states shows that the gap is about 8% for men, 5% for women. states shows that the gap is about 896 for men, 596 for women. if you are applying for a newjob, 896 for men, 596 for women. if you are applying fora newjob, is 896 for men, 596 for women. if you are applying for a newjob, is this part of it, you are maybe more aware of what the salary or the going rate is for that particular role, whereas if you just stay in the job you are less likely to be looking around that current market and realising how much you should be getting paid? and your new employer needs to attract you and make sure that they are getting a return on the investment they have put in the recruitment process. what should people do then, if you stay rather than shift? people should be more willing to look around and move. 0n the other hand, people who do stay

with their insist —— existing employers may do so for a good reason, they may get benefits from thatjob reason, they may get benefits from that job that are reason, they may get benefits from thatjob that are notjust captured by the pay packet. so they may have a congenial work environment, for example. they may enjoy being familiar with people they have been working with for a long—time. familiar with people they have been working with for a long-time. pay transparency has been the news a lot lately. would that help in a situation like this for people to realise that actually the new guy that has come into the office is being paid more than them? lots of work is being done in america, where some states have gone for mandatory pay transparency and others haven't. in those states where pay transparency is mandatory, there has been some compression of the wage distribution and that has reduced wage inequality and has reduced this problem. so the people at the top and are paid 7% less in states that have pay transparency than in states that don't. talk us through this gender difference. men are more likely to ask for a pay rise. what about those new recruits coming in, how does that work out? men may be

more likely to ask for a pay rise and to do so more aggressively than women, they may also be in a stronger market position than women cause “— stronger market position than women cause —— because men tend to be more geographically mobile, another thing that has come out of work that has been done on this is that graduates tend to differ less between men and women in terms of the premium that is paid to those who move. it may be that graduates are more mobile and that graduates are more mobile and thatis that graduates are more mobile and that is what is driving the results we are seeing ongenda. geraint johnes, thank you forjoining us this morning —— on gender. we appreciate you chatting to us this morning. a little bit about having the guts to ask for it, especially if something you has arrived in the office who may be getting paid more. jiahui would be brilliant talking about this later on? mary. —— do you know. she took about standing up in the workplace and going for what you believe in ascending up for what you believe in ascending up for what you believe in. she will be perfect. for more than six minutes,

day and night, ross edgley has been swimming more than 2000 miles to become the first person to swim around the british coast. ross has smashed several world records and burned more than a million calories. he's due to cross the finish line this sunday in margate, and breakfast‘sjohn maguire has dived in alongside him. notjust for hours, not just for hours, not today's, notjust for hours, not today's, not for weeks, but for more than six months ross edgley has been swimming around britain. so, wejoined him in the water to ask the obvious question, why did you do it? because it is there? yeah. basically yeah. i sat dell monday and i thought, you know what, people have rode around, people have ran around, cycled around, but no one has swum around. it seemed logical at the time. but when i set off onjune one from margate, i was so naive. i have

often said i was so naive. i did not think a big great britain really was. by day and by night, battling storms and more jellyfish than most mariners see in a lifetime.” storms and more jellyfish than most mariners see in a lifetime. i knew the jellyfish would be mariners see in a lifetime. i knew thejellyfish would be bad. but they arejust thejellyfish would be bad. but they are just brutal. you thejellyfish would be bad. but they arejust brutal. you never thejellyfish would be bad. but they are just brutal. you never knew what kind of jellyfish were are just brutal. you never knew what kind ofjellyfish were stinging me. he understands that this is mind over matter. this has gone from being a sporting event. now you are having to take care of your immune system. you can't gratuities and get through it. he will have burned1 million calories. it isjust an eating condition with some swimming thrown in. this isjust a nice bit. cou ntless thrown in. this isjust a nice bit. countless hours immersed in saltwater have ta ken countless hours immersed in saltwater have taken their toll. at one stage, it took one hour to dress his blistered neck. his tongue suffered hugely. his favourite mid— swims back a banana or two or three, maybe four. people think this is the number of days at sea. but this is

the record i am as prowl. this is the record i am as prowl. this is the banana tally. it started as a little joke —— proud the banana tally. it started as a littlejoke —— proud of. i was getting salt tongue after 12 hours in the watergate. my tongue was falling apart. i work at a bit bit on my pillow. it was grim. it was about bananas that was really soothing, a neutral taste. about bananas that was really soothing, a neutraltaste. of course, you need to catch one first. the skipper of the support boat plans each day meticulously. 26 hours swims, regardless of time, to catch the tides. —— two six hours and is. it's thursday saw him go backwards, his best swim faster than multiple olympic champion michael phelps. anyone can train and be fit, and you can pretty much get the nutrition right, but swim tied on, tied off, day and night, in the way he has, it isjust a huge mental challenge. i would

he has, it isjust a huge mental challenge. iwould be he has, it isjust a huge mental challenge. i would be very surprised to see if there is another person who even attempt it in the near future. on sunday, after 2000 miles, he will swim back to the point where it all began, margate beach. and for the first time in six months, he will set foot on dry land. he has swu m faster will set foot on dry land. he has swum faster and further around the coastline than anyone else before him. an achievement that may never be beaten. john maguire, bbc news. we wish him luck. in the last couple of days of thejennifer we wish him luck. in the last couple of days of the jennifer scott imagine going backwards in your quest. —— of his quest. imagine going backwards in your quest. -- of his quest. john maguire, what a good swimmer, and who knew salt tongue was a thing. we now know about that. it makes you feel slightly weird. time now to get the news, travel, and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london news. london has the highest rates of caseareans in the country — with almost a third of women giving birth this way last year.

nhs data shows some hospitals in the capital had rates 8 percent higher than the national average. nhs england says it's partly down to women getting pregnant older and high levels of obesity. it is worrying when we see rates go up it is worrying when we see rates go up and up all the time, because it seems unlikely that all of those are absolutely needed. but it is very difficult to tell that from the date. it needs every unit to be looking carefully at what they are doing and making sure there is no influence from the wrong external factors. a man has died after being fatally stabbed in southwark park yesterday afternoon. two other men were shot during a fight in upper norwood. both were taken to hospital. no arrests have been made. the 02 arena has been found to be the most popular live music venue in the world, according to a new report. the 2017 study by uk music reveals that the uk has more than 1a5, 000 people now working in the industry.

but experts of future troubles, including a decline in musical education and the poor financial rewards for artists. let's take a look at the travel situation now. 0n the tubes this morning the northern line is part—suspended between morden and camden town. 0n the trains southern and thameslink services via streatham and tulse hill are running with delays of 15 minutes following earlier overrunning engineering work. 0n the roads there's northbound traffic on the blackwall tunnel southern approach is slow from the woolwich rd flyover. in the city there's northbound traffic on king william street, its slow towards the bankjunction following a collision near the bank dlr station. heading out of wandsworth through putney heath, the a3 is closed westbound at the tibbets underpass due to flooding. now the weather with elizabeth rizinni. good morning. it is the first day of november but a much milder start to the day than we have been used to of late.

put your brolly in your bag this morning, because there will be spells of rain on and off throughout of the day and then it will turn dry out later on in the afternoon. here is that rain. some of it could turn out to be heavy at times. it will pull eastwards as we had through the second half of day. it will be quite cloudy and breezy at times, then it will dry out from the west later on through the afternoon, perhaps just before we get to sunset there will be time for late brightness for the western home counties. top temperatures of around 11 or 12 celsius. through this evening and overnight that cloud will clear away. the winds will feel quite light. we will probably see a touch of frost into tomorrow morning, maybe some mist patches. temperatures between minus two and plus two celsius. we keep a cloud longest in the east, that is where temperatures will tend to be above freezing. tomorrow, a lovely day, top temperatures of 12—13. dry with lots of sunshine around.

milder and rather windy on saturday. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now, though, it's back to charlie and naga. bye for now. good morning, welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: cracking down on the a,000 gangs behind organised crime, ministers say they're a greater threat than terrorism. as doctors are given the power to prescribe medicinal cannabis, patient groups warn the new guidelines are too restrictive. british scientists have found a way to track endangered species of whales by using images from space. another day, another new hand luggage policy. ryanair and wizz air change the rules on which bags passengers can take onto the plane and how much it will cost us. lets be frank, it was a bizarre return to chelsea for lampa rd. it ended in defeat, as 2 own goals, handed his former club victory, over his new one derby in the league cup. good morning from rhs wisley. i am

in front of this beautiful tree, lovely autumn colours. we have got some rain which we will clear off into the north sea, brighter spells of sunshine behind it in the west. more in 15 minute. —— minutes. it's thursday the 1st of november. our top story this morning is the fight against organised crime, with a focus on the gangs which ministers claim are a greater threat than terrorism. a new strategy will concentrate on money laundering and the impact of economic crime. it comes as one of the country's most senior police officers says forces are over stretched and need to concentrate on ‘core policing.‘ the chair of the national police chiefs council, sarah thornton, told a conference that they should be investigating burglary or violent crime, rather than things like misogyny or historical allegations against dead people. ben ando reports. a raid on a gun factory this summer, but this is just the tip of the uk's

rampant organised crime problem. it is notjust guns. drugs, fraud, trafficking, cyber crime. organised gangs are increasingly behind them all. and while terror attacks or extreme weather events may grab the headlines, it is serious organised crime that does the real damage, killing more people annually than terrorism, national disasters and war put together. the national crime agency believes there are around a,600 organised crime gangs working in the uk. it is estimated they are now costing the economy £37 billion every year. in 2013, that cost was estimated to be about £2a billion, meaning it has gone up by more than 50% in just five years. so today, ministers are launching a new strategy with an emphasis on economic investigation. the government says it also wants to tackle those who indirectly help

the criminals launder their money. that could be garages selling luxury cars, schools providing expensive private education, or those selling tickets to exclusive sporting events, all of whom, it says, could and should do more to report suspicious spending. to pay for it, £a8 million will be diverted from other police budgets. some say that's a mistake. the public expect an effective response to organised crime and terrorism, to focus on the vulnerable, but they also expect the basics. responding to emergencies, investigating and solving crime and neighbourhood policing. others say the task isn't helped by years of cuts to police numbers. ben ando, bbc news. specialist doctors in the uk can now prescribe medicinal cannabis to some patients for the first time. the change in the law came in response to a campaign on behalf of severely epileptic children, but patient groups warn many people are likely to be denied

access to the medicine because the guidelines are too restrictive, as david rhodes reports. harry has a rare form of epilepsy, but this ten—year—old is full of life. this syringe here is 1ml. at the moment, harry's parents can legally buy non—medical low strength cannabis oil, which costs over £300 per bottle. they say without the oil, harry was having potentially fatal epileptic fits every day. harry was dying before our very eyes. we spent days where he just lay on the sofa. he didn't go to school, he couldn't do anything, so you were with him really 2a hours a day. as harry grows up, his parents say he may need stronger medicinal cannabis products, a reason they want him to have a prescription, but local doctors say, at the moment, harry won't qualify. the nhs says the cannabis products

will only be prescribed for a small number of patients in exceptional circumstances, where licensed medicines have not worked, and specialist doctors say patients will only be given medicinal cannabis as a last resort. for that small number of patients where i have run out of other options, where this is something worth trying, absolutely, it's great that it's there as an option, but it's not the miracle drug that it's sometimes portrayed as. taking or supplying cannabis for recreational use is still illegal across the uk, and the government says it has no plans to legalise cannabis use more widely. patient groups and charities have already called the new prescribing guidelines restrictive, which will leave many families still searching for a long—term medical solution. david rhodes, bbc news, north yorkshire. fake news on social media is being blamed for damaging parents' faith in vaccines, according to england's chief medical officer. professor dame sally davies says online myths are behind a fall in children getting the jab for measles, mumps and rubella, as our health correspondent james gallagher reports. the mmr jab protects against measles, mumps and rubella.

but there has been more than 900 cases of measles already this year. completely discredited claims the vaccine causes autism, led to a fall of the number of children gettin vaccinated around the turn of the millenium. immunisation rates recovered, but in the past three years they have been falling again. when the infection rates drop you get complacency, but there is also this dreadful social media fake news and people peddling myths and stories. they are absolutely wrong. as a young doctor, professor dame sally davies treated children as they were dying from measles. she describes the experience as horrific. she accused what she called the "anti—vax brigade" of putting lives at risk by saying mmr was unsafe. the people who spread these myths when children are ill, or die, will not be there to pick up the bits, to help, or even to blame. instead, dame sally said the vaccine

had saved millions of lives around the world and encouraged parents to make sure their child was vaccinated. james gallagher, bbc news. a global study has warned that the amount of heat absorbed by the oceans over the past 25 years has been seriously underestimated. researchers say the seas have absorbed 60% more heat than previously thought, which means it could be harder to keep global warming within safe levels this century. too many prisoners in england are in unsafe and unsanitary conditions, according to a group of mps. members of the health committee say too many prisoners suffer poorer health after being jailed. the ministry ofjustice says it's introduced a package of measures to help prisons better manage the complex health needs of offenders. far too many prisoners are still in unsafe, unsanitary prisons, subject to overcrowding, and this is having an impact on their health and also the health of those who work within prisons. we have made a number of recommendations about what needs to be done to get to grips with this and tackle the really serious health inequalities that are faced by the prison population. the amount that parents contribute

to school budgets has increased by more than 25% over the past year. a survey by the charity, pa rentkind, found parents across england, wales, and northern ireland, pay an average of £11.35 pence a month for things like clubs, books, and school funds. that's up £2.a5 on the previous year. the government says it's putting more money into schools than ever before. the food critic giles coren has defended the former editor of waitrose food magazine, who lost his job after comments he made about vegans. william sitwell said he wasjoking when he replied to a freelance writer suggesting a series of articles about "killing vegans, one by one". fellowjournalist giles coren described the reaction as a "twitter storm" and blamed the departure on "a national obsession

with taking offence". he made a joke. he didn't make a very good joke. had it been me, i wouldn't have been as offensive. i would have made a funnierjoke. if it turned out to be a career—ending joke, you at least want it to be funny and i don't think william's joke was funny. he replied to a letter saying... he didn't say i want to kill vegans. he said we will commission a series on killing vegans. it really wasn't funny. it's terrifying for me as a journalist trying to be funny that you can lose yourjob in 2a hours for a bad gag. the time is nine minutes past seven. we will be with carol in a minute, she is at easily guardians. —— wisley gardens. 25 years ago, the world watched as a compound in waco, texas, burst into flames. while cult leader david koresh became infamous, what's less well known is the story of the british victims who died alongside him. the waco siege is the focus of a new bbc radio 5 live podcast called ‘end of days'.

presenter chris warburton speaks to the families of some of those who travelled from the uk to texas. let's take a look. april 1993. a cult leader in waco, texas, david koresh, had convinced more than 100 people to join him, arming themselves to the teeth for god's finaljudgement. this is how it ended, the horrific fireball beamed live around the world. in all, more than 80 of his followers died. remarkably, 2a of them were british. people from manchester, nottingham and london. so who were the britons who went to the middle of nowhere just outside waco, texas? well, for months we have tracked their friends well, for months we have tracked theirfriends and well, for months we have tracked their friends and families of and indeed, some of those who survived. to hear exactly how they were

seduced into the cult here in britain. there has been no cult like it ever since and this is the incredible story. it is an incredible story. it is an incredible story. the presenter of end of days, chris warburton, joins us now. when you revisit this remarkable event, with horrific consequences, you must have unearthed some interesting characters, especially the uk side of it. any good podcast is all about good characters, i know that from one that did well last year. this is absolutely packed full of interesting characters, whether it is the family and friends of those people who died in this terrible tragedy, or it be those people who survived it we ended up speaking to as well. looking at some of those pictures, i do know about you, it took me back immediately become i see them to when i was 16

yea rs become i see them to when i was 16 years of age watching those pictures andi years of age watching those pictures and i thought i knew the story fairly well, but it was only after we started making this podcast that i realised i knew very little and i certainly knew very little about the british involvement. as you say, for a lot of people this will be a brand you story. is worth going through the basics. this was a community being set up, the cult leader drawing people from all over the world and they ended up in this siege situation which went on for 51 days. this was after a botched raid had taken place. it was after much more sinister revelations came out from what was happening on this commune. there was about 100 people outside waco, really in the middle of nowhere and it was his apocalyptic vision of the end of the world. this was essentially it. what then happened was a botched raid by government forces which resulted in

the number of deaths from cult lenders, it resulted in a number of deaths of government agents as well. that led to the siege situation, 51 days, incredibly fraught negotiations taking place between david koresh and the government. event resulted in a final assault, as it has been described, and the ensuing tragedy. which was that people died. many people died. and also some were found with shotgun wounds, it was not clear what what they died from. there is still a lot of discussion as to exactly what happened on that day. it has been used repeatedly as an example of big government overstretching on their own citizens. there is a lot of argument as to who exactly started the fight. obviously the government's position was that it was the civilians, the cult, a suicide cult that is the official response. there are plenty of people can you only have to go online for

two seconds, plenty of people saying this is much more conspiracy. on a human level, one of the things that is mystifying about it, who worked in waco, who still have loyalty to david koresh. some of them lost their children and members of their family in the fire, and yet, ask them the question now and they will still say, david koresh, they have a loyalty to him that remains. not only that, but they believe he will return. this self—styled prophet, they believe, will return as david koresh again to signify the end of the world. the strange thing is we went to waco, to the sight of where all this happened, then you go to meet some of the people who survived and you are in a tower block in knocking —— nothing in 2018, talking to people who spent time in prison for the crimes they committed while over there. it is extraordinary and

ice spent hours talking to these people and to hear that they are still so obsessed with what they we re still so obsessed with what they were fixated with 25 years ago is just extraordinary. the way it has affected families is extraordinary. spoke to one person, his daughter was at the manchester meeting and went over to waco to join the cult, he flew over there to try to bring her home. metabolism. —— let's have a listen. when i got there, the lady was at the fence, the gate, i should say. she looked at me and i looked at her, i am sure she saw a christian and i saw which. when i said this guy was a fanatic infidel andi said this guy was a fanatic infidel and i must leave. all they were saying to me was what what i say. she never knew that i saw, what i saw that this guy was a wolf in sheep ‘s clothing. and she was under

a cloud of deception. can ijust ask you, after talking to the people you have, did you come any closer to understanding the grip david koresh had over those individuals, did you get any understanding with the process those people went through, when we tracked their path to the cities of london, nottingham, manchester, the way that the meetings were held by some of the cult leaders, david koresh keen to the uk, for example. his right-hand man was holding some of these sessions, not in a church or a chapel, but in a semidetached house ina suburb chapel, but in a semidetached house in a suburb of manchester, just north of the city centre. in some of these incidents, people were there for a week on end, sleeping and eating there, having sermons. having the message bombarded at them for 12 hours, 15 hours at a time. we have first hand accounts of people who we re first hand accounts of people who were there to witness this. it gives you some idea. people came away from there and say we have heard talk

about brainwashing, i am not an expert in that area, but if ever it took place it is that kind of context, you know. it is a fascinating story with tragic consequences. thank you very much for talking us through today. end of days is available now on bbc sounds — a new personalised app and website for bbc radio, music and podcasts. carol is in wisley with a look at this morning's weather. good morning. good morning. it is a beautiful tranquil scene we have this morning. you can see the cranes in the middle of seven acres lake. the cranes are very symbolic in china. seven acres lake circle because we are in an area roughly covering seven acres. something very symbolic in china, this beautiful pagoda, the butterfly lovers pagoda. it was first made for the hampton court flower show at hampton palace. that was in 2005. then it was brought here. you can see the sky is

fairly cloudy this morning and it has been wet. showers are not far away. the forecast for today is that we have rain, bringing the east which will clear away and behind it will brighten up some sunshine and showers in the west. it is a cold start to the day in scotland and northern ireland. a frosty start as well. patchy mist and fog around. watch out for ice on untreated surfaces in scotland. patchy mist and fog where we have the murky conditions like here, where it has been raining or is raining. better to mind if you are travelling. we have two bans of rain, one in the south—east, one across southern scotla nd south—east, one across southern scotland and northern england, they will merge and then push up into the north sea through the course of the day. clearing shetland and east anglia last. it may not be until this evening you see the clearing. for much of the rest of the uk we are looking at sunshine and showers in the west. as we head through the evening and overnight the rain clears east anglia and also shetland, leaving clear skies behind. under those clear skies it

will be cold. it will be frosty. we will be cold. it will be frosty. we will see some patchy mist and fog forming. a ridge of high pressure building in will kill off most of the showers, except for in the north—west. we started tomorrow on a cold and frosty note. patchy mist and fog will quickly clear. then there will be sunshine around. however, the cloud will increase in the west, introducing some stronger winds and also some heavy rain. this is the arrival of a deep area of low pressure which is the remnants of ex—hurricane gonzalo bazley had through friday evening into saturday, you can see the ice above —— oscar. the stronger winds will be across the north—west of scotland. as well as the windy rain will be a feature. rain on saturday covering scotland, moving through northern ireland, northern england, wales, and south—west england. the south—eastern corner it will be dry, sunshine around. but it will be windy. windy anywhere on saturday,

gales, severe gales across the north—west of scotland. temperatures are notable, because it will not be as cold. we have a southerly wind so temperatures easily in double figures, widely 13 or 1a degrees. that area of low pressure clears away overnight and then we are looking at an area of low pressure into the south—west, bringing rain and windy conditions with it, but not as windy as it will be on friday night and saturday morning. thank you very much. it looks lovely. it certainly does. as an endangered species, some whales have been pushed to the edge of extinction, so scientists need all the help they can get to help protect them. researchers from the british antarctic survey have been using satellite imagery, taken from almost a00 miles up, to reveal whale numbers over large areas and identify particular species. here's our science correspondentjonathan amos. —— lead scientist hannah cubaynes from the british antarctic survey joins us now. good morning. from a00 miles up you ta ke good morning. from a00 miles up you take a picture and it cannot be more

than a blob, that the naked eye would see question it actually see. you're naked eye it won't make a blob. the satellite image, it is crazy. you can see their tails and their flippers, crazy. you can see their tails and theirflippers, this image, now you have no doubt, this one you can see the tail and the flippers. this is a whale. how much detail can you done from that to which species of whale? identifying species is not there yet. now we look at four different species in different places where we know it is that one species and no other. so we can try and describe them. a bit like a guidebook when you are in a boat and you are like i have seen a whale, what colour and shape was it? now we are trying to do this with the four species we looked at. and, hopefully, in the future we will test the differentiation between. can you explain about those images, they ta ke explain about those images, they take specifically for this project orare take specifically for this project or are you analysing other people's

pictures? a bit of both. the oceans are gigantic, so how do you know where to, are you looking at places where to, are you looking at places where you know already there will be wales, and had it, they presumably have to be quite close to the surface in order that you see them at all? that is a rather interesting question. we select, the depth, that is we are trying to figure out right now. some of the wales we are looking at, we know the surface, then we know the details. and there are others that look more like blobs and we think they are deeper —— whales. what is your question? are you taking your own images or are you taking your own images or are you looking at other images that have been ta ken? you looking at other images that have been taken? most of them we have been taken? most of them we have been taken? most of them we have been looking at other images already taken. but the one image from mexico where we have seen great wales and they were gorgeous, we had to ask for them, and take them at the right time knew loads would be around, we focused on places and times when we knew there would be

loads of whales. obviously the idea is that you learn much more about their behaviour and patterns of travel, et cetera. what have you learned so far? right now we are developing the method. it is more proof of concept. we are not really trying to answer new biological or ecological questions. we are hoping this will come next. so the four species you are looking at, what are they and which ones are most easy to identify? so great whales in mexico. they were the easiest to see. they are great and pale and contrast well with the violent. we also looked at thin whales in the mediterranean. they were good to detect. then we looked at humpbacks, they are really easy to detect from a boat. they breach, they jump a easy to detect from a boat. they breach, theyjump a lot. but from the satellite that was a bit difficult. and then we look at why wye with a difficult? they would just be white splashes. which of the whale population is most in danger

right now in terms of population numbers? so many. one is the north atla ntic numbers? so many. one is the north atlantic right whale. it looks similarto atlantic right whale. it looks similar to the southern right whale. but there are few. it is fascinating work. i am sure we will watch it as it progresses. they keep coming in. thank you so much. told him that of the pound. it has had a boost overnight. colletta ? good morning. that's right. the value of the pound has strengthened in the last few hours. one pound is currently worthjust over $1.28, its value rose by as much as 0.7% overnight. it's thought to be down to a report in the times newspaper that says a deal has been agreed for the uk's financial services sector in the brexit negotiations. more than a million brits are employed in financial services. important news if you're flying short haul with a budget airline any time soon. ryanair and wizz air have changed their rules on what bags passengers can take on board the plane. ryanair travellers will only be allowed a small piece of hand luggage from today , unless they pay

for priority boarding. the us has hit back at the chancellor philip hammond's plan to slap a new tax on the big tech companies. american business groups and politicians have said the proposal is "troubling" and have even warned it could spark a backlash or affect a potential us—uk trade deal. all eyes on the biggest of those big tech firms today — apple. the most valuable company in the world announces it latest financial results today. it has suffered a bit of a slowdown in iphone sales recently. this will be the first set of results since the launch of their new iphone. lots of chat about whether or not people are becoming a little less excited. a little less excited, not quite updating as

frequently as they had done previously. we will see how the sales are faring. we talk about satellite image during —— imaging earlier. coming up on breakfast: ross edgley has already broken records as he swims day and night, 2000 miles around britain. we'll catch up with him just days before he finishes his remarkable challenge. time now to get the news, travel, and weather where you are. good morning from bbc london news. i'm sara orchard. london has the highest rates of caesareans in the country, with almost a third of women giving birth this way last year. nhs data shows some hospitals in the capital had rates 8% higher than the national average. nhs england says it's partly down to women getting pregnant older and high levels of obesity. it is worrying when we see rates go up and up all the time, because it seems unlikely that all of those are absolutely needed. but it is very difficult to tell that from the data.

it needs every unit to be looking carefully at what they are doing and making sure there is no influence from the wrong external factors. a man has died after being fatally stabbed in southwark park yesterday afternoon. two other men were shot during a fight in upper norwood. both were taken to hospital. no arrests have been made. croydon has the highest number of deaths from asthma in the capital. asthma uk found 6a people in the borough died from the condition in the last nine years. the charity is calling on the government to tackle social inequality by improving air quality and housing. the o2 arena has been found to be the most popular live music venue in the world, according to a new report. the 2017 study by uk music reveals that the uk has more than 1a5,000 people now working in the industry. but experts of future troubles, including a decline in musical education and the poor financial rewards for artists. let's take a look at the travel situation now.

0n the tubes this morning, the northern line is part—suspended between morden and camden town. that is due to an earlier faulty train. 0n the trains southern and thameslink services via streatham and tulse hill are running with delays of 15 minutes following earlier overrunning engineering work. it is starting to improve. 0n the roads ,there's northbound traffic on the blackwall tunnel southern approach is slow from the woolwich road flyover. heading out of wandsworth through putney heath, the a3 is closed westbound at the tibbets underpass due to flooding. now the weather with elizabeth rizinni. hello. good morning. it is the first day of november but a much milder start to the day than we have been used to of late. put your brolly in your bag this morning, because there will be spells of rain on and off throughout of the day and then it will turn dry out later on in the afternoon. here is that rain. some of it could turn out to be heavy at times. it will pull eastwards as we had through the second half of day. it will be quite cloudy

and breezy at times, then it will dry out from the west later on through the afternoon, perhaps just before we get to sunset there will be time for late brightness for the western home counties. top temperatures of around 11 or 12 celsius. through this evening and overnight that cloud will clear away. the winds will feel quite light. we will probably see a touch of frost into tomorrow morning, maybe some mist patches. temperatures between minus two and plus two celsius. we keep a cloud longest in the east, that is where temperatures will tend to be above freezing. tomorrow, a lovely day, top temperatures of 12—13. dry with lots of sunshine around. milder and rather windy on saturday. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom in half an hour. now, though, it's back to charlie and naga. bye for now. hello, this is breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. here's a summary of this morning's main stories from bbc news. a new government assessment has concluded that the threat posed by serious organised crime is now greater than terrorism. analysis by the national crime

agency says more people are harmed or killed by gangs than by all other national security risks put together. ministers are pledging to combat more than a,000 gangs that are active in the uk. one of britain' most senior police officers has said forces should focus on catching thieves and violent criminals, rather than investigating allegations of behaviour like misogyny. sarah thornton, who chairs the national police chiefs' council, says police are increasingly being asked to provide what she described as "bespoke services" even though forces are seriously stretched. we just wejust don't we just don't have the resources to do everything that is desirable and deserving. i want us to solve more burglaries before we make records of incidents that are not crimes. i hope the review on hate crime takes into account the pressure on forces

before suggesting that the law is changed. specialist hospital doctors in the uk can prescribe medicinal cannabis for the first time from today. a change in the law was announced in the summer, following a high profile campaign on behalf of severely epileptic children. but patient groups warn many people are likely to be denied access to the medicine because the guidelines are too restrictive. guidance, the way it is drafted, it looks to limit the number of prescriptions. it says very clearly, they expect a very small number of people to be able to access it and we know that there are 10,000 people with ms waiting right now for that relief. so we would urgently ask nhs england to revisit this because changing the law is a brilliant step forward at this guidance feels like another step at. —— step back. indonesian broadcasters captured the

moment the equipment from the lion airflight crash. moment the equipment from the lion air flight crash. —— was retrieved. fake news on social media is being blamed for damaging parents' faith in vaccines, according to england's chief medical officer. professor dame sally davies says online myths are behind a fall in children getting the jab for measles, mumps and rubella. speaking on the 30th anniversary of the introduction of the combined vaccine, dame sally said it had saved millions of people around the world. a global study has warned that the amount of heat absorbed by the oceans over the past 25 years has been seriously underestimated. researchers say the seas have absorbed 60% more heat than previously thought, which means it could be harder to keep global warming within safe levels this century. too many prisoners in england are in unsafe and unsanitary conditions, according to a group of mps. members of the health committee say too many prisoners suffer poorer health after being jailed. the ministry ofjustice says it's introduced a package of measures to help prisons better manage the complex health

needs of offenders. the amount that parents contribute to school budgets has increased by more than 25% over the past year. a survey by the charity, pa rentkind, found parents across england, wales, and northern ireland, pay an average of £11.35 a month for things like clubs, books and school funds. that's up £2.a5 on the previous year. the government says it's putting more money into schools than ever before. the food critic giles coren has defended the former editor of waitrose food magazine, who lost his job after comments he made about vegans. william sitwell said he was joking when he replied to a freelance writer suggesting a series of articles about "killing vegans, one by one". fellowjournalist giles coren described the reaction as a "twitter storm" and blamed the departure on "a national obsession with taking offence". coming up we'll get the weather

from carol who's at rhs wisley. mike's here with the sport. good morning. how confusing it was last night. frank lampard's big return to chelsea as derby county manager, was overshadowed, by not one, but two own goals. his team scored four, conceded one, but still went out the top. it was an own goal bonanza! and they scored an own goal bonanza! and they scored an own goal in their previous league match as well. the first was an absolute shocker, and was scored by a player on loan from chelsea. he just couldn't sort his legs out.

the second was just as bad. derby gave it a real go though, against the premier league side, but chelsea eventually won the game 3—2 and there was warm applause for lampard, at the ground, he once called home. elsewhere in the league cup last night, son hyung min, scored his first two goals of the season for tottenham, as they beat west ham. spurs will play arsenal, in the quarterfinals, after they beat blackpool. goal of the night was scored by a player who was fitting showers just last year and lewis wing turned up the power to help middlesbrough knock out premier league crystal palace. there was an ugly end to the edinburgh derby, in the scottish premiership. the hibernian manager neil lennon goaded hearts fans, after a late goal was disallowed, and was then hit by a coin. he wasn't down for long and was fine afterwards, but said that he was absolutely furious. the game finished 0—0. celtic meanwhile are up to second in the league, after a comfortable 5—0 win at dundee. this openerfrom tom rogic, was was the pick of the goals. jose mourinho, has avoided punishment after manchester united

successfully contested a charge, that he swore in portugese to television cameras. you might remember that this happened after united got a late winner against newcastle last month, when there were loads of questions over mourinho's job. the fa says it's surprised by the outcome and has not, ruled out an appeal. arsene wenger says his nextjob in football, won't be in england. wenger has been out of work, since leaving arsenal last may. he says he's had, plenty of offers, and will return to management in the new year. i will be back, yes. but not in england, probably. certainly not because i have dedicated my whole life to one club, you know, and it would probably be difficult for me and would not be well accepted. next to a big moment for rugby union. a female referee will be in charge of two top—flight english men's teams this weekend. sara cox will look after northampton vs wasps, in the premiership rugby cup on sunday. it's another first for the 28—year—old, who was made the first prefessional female rugby ref a couple of years ago, and was also the first woman to referee a second—tier men's game. rafael nadal has withdrawn

from the paris masters tennis, meaning that novak djokovic will replace him as the new world number one on monday. the spaniard had been due to make his comeback, after nearly two months out with a knee injury. but he's felt pain, whilst serving and has been advised, that playing in paris would only make it worse. and finally, to mark his 58th birthday, diego maradona has been immortalised, in his home country of argentina. a statue's been erected in buenos aires, showing maradona scoring his second goal against england in the quarter—finals of the 1986 world cup in mexico. what do you reckon? as statues go, better than some of them. you mentioned the ronaldo one. let's

look at some of the worst. this was taken down, so bad it was replaced. it looked like it was part melted. slightly better one of alan shearer at st james's park slightly better one of alan shearer at stjames's park in slightly better one of alan shearer at st james's park in newcastle. slightly better one of alan shearer at stjames's park in newcastle. he has got that famous alan shearer celebration. i think he was pleased to have any statue, really. and then a photo of michael essie and in his native ghana. —— essien. a photo of michael essie and in his native ghana. -- essien. i don't mind that one. it looks like he is painful all. is there a statue to you anywhere? after ten years

covering the sport, i got an action like figures of. —— action like figure. he did a very good job. quite strange. see later, thank you very much. 7:39pm is —— 7:39am is the time now. —— see you later. a couple of big airlines are changing the rules about what bags you can and can't take on the plane with you from today. you see at airports people are trying to cram pieces of luggage in. colletta can explain it all for us. colletta ? i will do my best to explain but it can be confusing. to know how many bags and what size you can take into the cabin depending on which airline you're flying with. today, the situation for a couple of companies has changed again. europe's biggest airline,

ryanair, are making their second change luggage in policy within a year. you used to be able to take one small bag into the cabin and one 10—kilo wheelie bag through security for free. the wheelie bag was taken off you at the gate and popped in the hold. from today, anyone can still take on a small bag, but only priority bookers will be allowed to take a wheelie bag through security. the smaller budget airline wizzair, which has a uk base at luton, is making a similar change. they say only one small bag can be taken into the cabin for free. anything bigger must go into the hold at a charge, or into the cabin if you're a priority booker. easyjet rules are staying the same. they also only allow one cabin bag per person. there's no weight limit, but you have to be able to lift it into the overhead lockers. that can be a challenge for some of us. bajoined budget airlines in charging forfood and drink on short haul flights last year, but they allow two bags for cabin luggage, as long as one is a laptop bag or handbag. it can all be very confusing.

megan french from moneysavingexpert can help make sense of all this. first of all, let's have a look at these different package options. this massive one, obviously for every airline for a long while, you cannot take into the cabin with you. it is that one down there, that little wheely one that isn't questionable. this is the handy luggage bag come and they cannot bring it unless you bring extra —— pay extra. that size, would you get away with a handbag? yes, the rules are roughly a0, 50, 20, it has got to fit under the seat on the new. what it means is it is incredibly

difficult to compare flights because if you know you need one of those, you have to factor in that you will pay extra. is it worth checking that tag in, rather than paying the extra, which is better value, to get it through the airport and pay as a priority. the cheapest option is when you are booking a flight, you will definitely need that and you can book priority boarding. that this anywhere from four to £6. if you know you will not need this, get it, looking at the airport you pay £20. if you are going away for a day for a business eating, you might be able to fit your stuff in that one, any more than that most people would shrug. it i definitely struggle with that for a weekend. i would need to plan ahead and look in advanced. that for a weekend. i would need to plan ahead and look in advancedm this a way for ryanair is to make a whole lot more cash, to milk customers for every singer penny.

they say it is about streamlining and stopping delays, as you say, this second changed. injanuary you would use to be able to take these through security, but now you are charged for it. whether it is really about delays is difficult to say. charged for it. whether it is really about delays is difficult to saym is hard when you are booking a flight is hard when you are booking a flight to work out exactly which is cheaper by the time you have factored in those extra cost. is also hard when you are trying to buy also hard when you are trying to buy a bag because you don't which airline will be flying with and what size of bag you can get away with. unfortunately it is all about planning ahead. if you can borrow one from a mate, but as you said, if you start the right way comparing flight you start the right way comparing flight and factoring exactly which airlines, do not assume they have the same rules. it might be a case

of condensing and repacking that luggage on to bid for this afternoon ‘s flight anyway. luggage on to bid for this afternoon 's flight anyway. quite annoying, really. thanks very much. if you needed a tonic for all of the stress that flying sometimes can bring, you need to be where carol is this morning. look at that. beautiful calm surrounds. do i see a little rain behind you? you certainly do, charlie. you are right. it is beautiful here. the autumnal colours are just stunning. it has just started to rain in the last couple of seconds. this rain in the east through of today will clear. the forecast for many of us isa dry clear. the forecast for many of us is a dry one, with some showers in the west. first thing this morning, if you are going out across northern ireland or scotland, you will find a cold start to the around. overnight in the north of scotland, there is the chance of ice on untreated

surfaces. the other thing to watch out for is filed, patchy fog across northern ireland, parts of scotland, and you may run into some across wales as well. it will lift as we go through the day, for most of us. currently we have two bands of ram, one across southern scotland and northern england, across south—east england, lincolnshire heading towards yorkshire. they will merge and move off into the north sea, clearing is angry and shetland last. many of us having a sunny day, with just a few showers —— east anglia. for the rest of england and wales we re for the rest of england and wales were looking at double figures. through the evening we lose the rain completely. overnight it will be a clear night and a cold one with a widespread frost. patchy mist and fog forming. with a ridge of high pressure building in from the west, that will kill off many of the shows in west, except the north—west. tomorrow morning we start off the frost and the patchy mist and fog. that will lift. it is the calm

before the storm. a largely dry day with a fair bit of sunshine. through the day, in the west, particularly western scotland and northern ireland we will see the cloud built, the wind strengthened, and rain come in. what is coming our way is the re m na nts of in. what is coming our way is the remnants of ex—hurricane oscar. illustrated in the pressure charts by this area of low pressure. look at all those isobars. where ever you are friday night on saturday it will be windy, the tightest squeeze is across the north—west of scotland. there we are looking at gales, possibly severe gales. as well is the wind it will be wet. the rayney extending on saturday across scotland, moving through northern ireland, northern england, oils, and the south—west. lydie saki squad of uk it will be dry but windy. the strongest winds across the north—west of scotland. that clears overnight saturday into sunday. then a new and lows —— less potent area of low pressure comes in from the

south—west, with less rain and windy conditions. it is stunning. even in the rain. that is how you canjudge it is stunning. even in the rain. that is how you can judge somewhere. when the weather is bad and you still enjoy being there and the views. go get a nice cup of tea. backward carol later on. —— back with. 15 years ago today, teenager charlene downes went missing from her home in blackpool. in spite of several arrests and a £100,000 reward, her family still don't know what happened to her. police suspect that the 1a—year—old had been groomed and sexually abused. in a moment we'll speak to charlene's mum karen, but first let's look back at what we know about her disappearance. charlene downes was just 1a when she disappeared in 2003. a body was never found. but police disappeared in 2003. a body was neverfound. but police believe disappeared in 2003. a body was never found. but police believe she was murdered. these are the last pictures of her in her hometown of blackpool, walking with her sister, just hours before she went missing.

investigations in blackpool discovered a grooming ring, detectives think she was one of up to 60 girls being sexually exploited at the time. in 2007, police arrested and charged a man with murder, but thejury arrested and charged a man with murder, but the jury failed to reach a verdict. a retrial was scheduled in an abandoned amid concerns about the handling of evidence. it is subsequent enquiry in 2009, the independent police commission found evidence gathering errors and strategic and tactical failures in the management of material held by detectives. several officers were disciplined. 15 years after her disappearance, a £100,000 reward for information and renewed public appeals have failed to solve the mystery of what happened to charlene downes. charlene's mum karenjoins us now. good morning. good morning. looking at the pictures of charlene, you cannot imagine what you are going through. why are you now talking

about this again, what has happened? well, it has been 15 years since charlene disappeared. and i want to know that she is never going to be forgotten about. i want people to realise, and families to wake up to the fact about the grooming gangs, and the police and the social services to wake up about the horrific grooming gangs going on. grooming isa horrific grooming gangs going on. grooming is a phrase that so many people are familiar with these days, but when charlene went missing, it wasn't a well—known phrase. what was a reaction like when you are talking to police. you were aware that she had changed in recent months. her behaviour had changed. capecchi changed? she went from a bubbly cheeky teenager to a stroppy girl —— how had he changed? she was getting cheeky, all teenagers do that, but she would not do anything she was told, she started to smoke, she was normally a tomboy and where

trousers, she wanted to wear short skirts, make—up, high heels, things i was quite worried about. i put it down to the fact that she was a teenager and all teenagers do that kind of thing. in those early days after she went missing, how will you treated by the authorities? not very well at all. they treated her at the very beginning as a runaway. they had believed she had run away. i felt really let down by that. normally when a child goes missing it is up to 2a hours it is on the television, isn't it, usually? had she had a history of running away? no. she has stayed at her friend's occasionally. she stayed the odd night at a mate's, but not this. why do you think the police dismissed charlene's disappearance out of hands? i don't know. ithink it

charlene's disappearance out of hands? i don't know. i think it was because she had been naughty me pass. she had been expelled from school. she was a bit of a wayward teenager as teenagers are. it could have been the fact that we were a normal working class family. i put it down to that as well. that you we re it down to that as well. that you were working class? that it made a difference? i think so. were working class? that it made a difference? ithink so. do were working class? that it made a difference? i think so. do you hold out any hope of getting any answers after this period of time? and never gave up hope. i do hope that one day some people come forward. i will never give up hope. i will always hold on to the fact that something will come to light. these are difficult questions to answer. people understand that this is hard for you to talk about. what do you think it happen? have you, in your mind, sort of tried to work out, how do you resolve it for yourself?” don't know. a living hope she is still alive. i don't think she is. but i try live each day as it comes.

but i try live each day as it comes. but i try live each day as it comes. but i live in that hope. i think all pa rents would but i live in that hope. i think all parents would understand that hope. why do you say you don't think she is? give any timescale. she would have come back by now. somebody would have... she would have... there was a theory that she was being groomed and that the gang she was being groomed by had something to do with her disappearance. yeah. yeah. as all of this has emanated, how has this affected you and your home late. you have other children, family? it nearly britney as a mother. it has affected my children and my husband really badly —— broke me. my children will never be the same again. my daughters, they could not live properly, were properly, my son and try to hang himself. he was also going to school. it has been a terrible time. we are just having to get through it day by day for so we

have to be strong for each other. has it been any help to you at all, and these feel like small things, relatively, writing the book and putting your account, your own personal feelings and the were you seedings, has it helped you at all? yes, it has help you get the point across about grooming gangs. i am fairly strong about that. i would get the word out to parents about grooming gangs. it is helping to tell the story about charlene as well. we referenced it a moment ago, do you think, the circumstances to arrive, they still happen, is it your sense that people would be treated better, the police would ta ke treated better, the police would take a situation like this more serious than they would have done 15 yea rs serious than they would have done 15 years ago? i would think so, yes. i would like to think so. they do seem to treat things better than they did 15 years ago. they have some cctv footage of charlene which was only brought to light about a year ago. all those years ago she disappeared and they never used it. they said

they had not got it and then they found it. but they would not do that now. the technology was not as good then as it is now. we appreciate you coming to talk to us this morning. thank you. thank you. karen's book is called sold in secret. for more than six months, day and night, ross edgley has been swimming 2000 miles, in an attempt to become the first person to swim around the british coast. ross has smashed several world records and burned more than a million calories. he's due to cross the finish line this sunday in margate, and breakfast‘sjohn maguire has dived in alongside him. not just for hours, not for days, nor even weeks, but for more than six months ross edgley has been swimming around britain. so, wejoined him in the water to ask the obvious question: #why did you do it? because it's there? yeah. basically yeah. i sat down one day and i thought, you know what, people have rode around, people have ran around, cycled around, but no one has swum around. it seemed logical at the time.

but when i set off onjune1 from margate, i was so naive. i have often said i was so naive. i did not think how big great britain really was. by day and by night, battling storms and more jellyfish than most mariners see in a lifetime. jellys! i knew thejellyfish would be bad. but they are just brutal. you never knew what kind ofjellyfish were stinging me. ross understands that this is mind over matter. this has gone from being a sporting event. now you are having to take care of your immune system. you can't grit your teeth and get through it. he will have burned 1 million calories. it is just an eating condition with some swimming thrown in. this isjust a nice bit. countless hours immersed in saltwater have taken their toll. at one stage, it took one hour to dress his blistered neck. his tongue suffered hugely. his favourite mid—swim snack —

a banana or two or three, maybe four. people think this is the number of days at sea. but this is the record i am most proud of. this is the banana tally. it started as a little joke. i was getting salt tongue after 12 hours in the water every day. my tongue was falling apart. i woke up with chunks of my tongue on my pillow. it was grim. it was something about bananas that was really soothing, a neutral taste. of course, you need to catch one first. the skipper of the support boat plans each day meticulously. two six—hour swims, regardless of time, to catch the tides. it's worst saw him go backwards, his best swim faster than multiple olympic champion michael phelps. anyone can train and be fit, and you can pretty much get the nutrition right, but swim tide on, tide off,

day and night, in the way he has, it isjust a huge mental challenge. i would be very surprised to see if there is another person who even attempt it in the near future. on sunday, after 2000 miles, he will swim back to the point where it all began, margate beach. and for the first time in six months, he will set foot on dry land. he has swum faster and further around the coastline than anyone else before him. an achievement that may never be beaten. john maguire, bbc news. sunday is the finish line. it will be remarkable. time now to get the news, travel, and weather where you are. we will see you at eight o'clock. good morning from bbc london news, i'm sara orchard. london has the highest rates of ceseareans in the country —

with almost a third of women giving birth this way last year. nhs data shows some hospitals in the capital had rates 8% higher than the national average. nhs england says it's partly down to women getting pregnant older and high levels of obesity. but there are questions being raised as to whether some are being performed unnecessarily. it is worrying when we see rates go up and up all the time, because it seems unlikely that all of those are absolutely needed. but it is very difficult to tell that from the data. a man has died after being fatally stabbed in rotherhithe. police were called to southwark park yesterday afternoon and found a man in his 30s, with stab injuries. meanwhile, two other men were shot during a fight in upper norwood. both were taken to hospital. no arrests have been made. the o2 arena has been found to be the most popular live music venue in the world, according to a new report by uk music. the 2017 study reveals that the uk has more than 1a5,000 people now working in the industry.

but experts predict future troubles, including a decline in musical education a rise in the number of venues closing down and the poor financial rewards for artists. let's take a look at the travel situation now. 0n the tubes this morning the northern line has minor delays aftere an earlier faulty train between morden and camden town. 0n the roads there's traffic on the a13 westbound from rainham into dagenham. 0n the m25 — from j28 — that's the a12 at brook street, the outside lane is blocked anticlockwise following a breakdown, with congestiom back to j30 at lakeside. heading out of wandsworth through putney heath, the a3 is closed westbound at the tibbets underpass due to flooding. delays are back along west hill to the royal hospital for neurodisability. now the weather with elizabeth rizinni. hello. good morning. it is the first day of november but a much milder start to the day than we have been used to of late.

put your brolly in your bag this morning, because there will be spells of rain on and off throughout of the day and then it will turn drier later on in the afternoon. here is that rain. some of it could turn out to be heavy at times. it will pull eastwards as we had through the second half of day. it will be quite cloudy and breezy at times, then it will dry out from the west later on through the afternoon, perhaps just before we get to sunset there will be time for late brightness for the western home counties. top temperatures of around 11 or 12 celsius. through this evening and overnight that cloud will clear away. the winds will feel quite light. we will probably see a touch of frost into tomorrow morning, maybe some mist patches. temperatures between minus two and plus two celsius. we keep a cloud longest in the east, that is where temperatures will tend to be above freezing. tomorrow, a lovely day, top temperatures of 12—13. dry with lots of sunshine around. milder and rather windy on saturday. i'm back with the latest from the bbc london newsroom

in half an hour. plenty more on our website at the usual address. now though it's back to charlie and naga. bye for now. good morning. welcome to breakfast with naga munchetty and charlie stayt. our headlines today: cracking down on the a600 gangs behind organised crime. ministers say they're a greater threat than terrorism. as doctors are given the power to prescribe medicinal cannabis, patient groups warn the new guidelines are too restrictive. andrea bocelli and his son will be here to tell us why they've teamed up for a very special duet. british scientists have found a way to track endangered species of whales by using images from space. another day, another new hand luggage policy. ryanair and wizz air change the rules on which bags passengers

can take onto the plane and how much it will cost us. let's be frank, it was a bizarre return to chelsea for lampard. it ended in defeat, as two own goals handed his former club victory over his new one derby in the league cup. good morning from rhs wisley. we are surrounded by beautiful autumnal colours, rather like the beautiful site was behind me. it is raining here again with reigning eastern areas clearing into the north sea later today leaving sunshine in central and western parts and just a few showers. —— rain in eastern areas. morin 15 minutes. it's thursday 1st november. our top story this morning is the fight against organised crime, with a focus on the gangs which ministers claim are a greater threat than terrorism. a new strategy will concentrate on money laundering and the impact of economic crime. it comes as one of the country's

most senior police officers says forces are overstretched and need to concentrate on core policing. the chair of the national police chiefs council, sarah thornton, told a conference that they should be investigating burglary or violent crime rather than things like misogyny or historical allegations against dead people. ben ando reports. a raid on a gun factory in surrey this summer, but this is just the tip of the uk's rampant organised crime problem. it's notjust guns. drugs, fraud, trafficking, cyber crime. organised gangs are increasingly behind them all. and while terror attacks or extreme weather events may grab the headlines, it's serious organised crime that does the real damage, killing more people annually than terrorism, national disasters and war put together. the national crime agency believes there are around a600 organised crime gangs working in the uk. it's estimated they are now costing the economy £37 billion every year. in 2013, that cost was

estimated to be £2a billion, meaning it's gone up by more than 50% in just five years. so today ministers are launching a new strategy with an emphasis on economic investigation. the government says it also wants to tackle those who indirectly help the criminals launder their money. that could be garages selling luxury cars, schools providing expensive private education, or those selling tickets to exclusive sporting events, all of whom, it says, could and should do more to report suspicious spending. to pay for it, £a8 million will be diverted from other police budgets. some say that's a mistake. the public expect an effective response to organised crime, to terrorism, to focus on the vulnerable, but they also expect the basics. responding to emergencies, investigating and solving crime and neighbourhood policing. others say the task isn't helped

by years of cuts to police numbers. ben ando, bbc news. specialist doctors in the uk can now prescribe medicinal cannabis to some patients for the first time. the change in the law came in response to a campaign on behalf of severely epileptic children, but patient groups warn many people are likely to be denied access to the medicine because the guidelines are too restrictive, as david rhodes reports. harry has a rare form of epilepsy, but this ten—year—old is full of life. this syringe here is 1ml. at the moment, harry's parents can legally buy non—medical low strength cannabis oil, which costs over £300 per bottle. they say without the oil, harry was having potentially fatal epileptic fits every day. harry was dying before our very eyes. we spent days where he just lay on the sofa. he didn't go to school, he couldn't do anything, so you were with him 2a hours a day.

as harry grows up, his parents say he may need stronger medicinal cannabis products, a reason they want him to have a prescription, but local doctors say, at the moment, harry won't qualify. the nhs says the cannabis products will only be prescribed for a small number of patients in exceptional circumstances where licensed medicines have not worked, and specialist doctors say patients will only be given medicinal cannabis as a last resort. for that small number of patients where i have run out of other options, where this is something worth trying, absolutely, it's great that it's there as an option, but it's not the miracle drug that it's sometimes portrayed as. taking or supplying cannabis for recreational use is still illegal across the uk, and the government says it has no plans to legalise cannabis use more widely. patient groups and charities have already called the new prescribing guidelines restrictive, which will leave many families still searching for a long—term medical solution. david rhodes, bbc news, north yorkshire. fake news on social media

is being blamed for damaging parents' faith in vaccines, according to england's chief medical officer. professor dame sally davies says online myths are behind a fall in children getting the jab for measles, mumps and rubella. speaking on the 30th anniversary of the introduction of the combined vaccine, dame sally said it had saved millions of people around the world. when the infection rates drop, you get complacency but there is also the dreadful social media, fake news, people peddling myths and stories. they are absolutely wrong. indonesian navy divers say they have retrieved the black box recorder from the lion air plane which crashed into the sea on monday. indonesian broadcasters captured the moment the equipment was recovered. the boeing 737 crashed shortly after ta ke—off from jakarta with 189 people on board.

google staff around the world are staging an unprecedented series of walk—outs to protest about the compa ny‘s treatment of women. the first walk—out happened in singapore, and will involve google offices across europe, before finishing at the company's headquarters in california. it follows a multi—million—dollar pay—out to a former executive who resigned over a sexual misconduct allegation. a global study has warned that the amount of heat absorbed by the oceans over the past 25 years has been seriously underestimated. researchers say the seas have absorbed 60% more heat than previously thought, which means it could be harder to keep global warming within safe levels this century. too many prisoners in england are in unsafe and unsanitary conditions, according to a group of mps. members of the health committee say too many prisoners suffer poorer health after being jailed. the ministry ofjustice says it's introduced a package of measures to help prisons better manage the complex health needs of offenders. far too many prisoners are still in unsafe, unsanitary prisons, subject

to overcrowding, and this is having an impact on their health and also the health of those who work within prisons. we've made a number of recommendations about what needs to be done to get to grips with this and tackle the really serious health inequalities that are faced by the prison population. the amount that parents contribute to school budgets has increased by more than 25% over the past year. a survey by the charity parentkind found parents across england, wales, and northern ireland pay an average of £11.35 a month for things like clubs, books, and school funds. that's up £2.a5 on the previous year. the government says it's putting more money into schools than ever before. for the first time, scientists have used high—resolution satellite images to count and identify species of whales from space. researchers from the british antarctic survey hope the technology can improve conservation efforts by more accurately assessing whale numbers. here's our science

correspondentjonathan amos. big, beautiful, but we're a little sketchy on their numbers. whales are recovering from commercial hunting, although how well is open to question. the problem is their range. whales will cover vast tracts of the globe. what's needed is a rapid way to survey the oceans, to zoom in on their breeding and feeding grounds. the answer is the sharpest views from space ever released. if you look closely, each one of these white specks is actually a whale that we're seeing. it's a whale near the surface. we can use these very high resolution images to count the number of whales in any particular area. whales have previously been counted from boats and planes, but these are small—scale surveys. now scientists are using the latest satellite images to cover the whole earth. key is the improved resolution that can see anything larger than 30 centimetres across.

this means that features such as fins and tails can be observed and the animals identified. whales were pushed to the edge of extinction by commercial whaling. some species still number in the low thousands, but they are recovering and scientists are keen to learn everything they can about their progress. the task of counting whales from space will only get easier as more and more satellites are launched. soon we'll have a sharp picture of every corner of the globe updated every day. jonathan amos, bbc news. it is 8:11am. with just days to go until the us mid—term elections, president trump has been on the campaign trail again, rallying support from some of his most devoted followers — evangelical christians. and in the latest of a series of reports for breakfast, our north america correspondent chris buckler has been to mississippi, looking at religion's influence on america's upcoming vote. across the united states, religion and politics feel part

of the same conversation. join us for the next hour as we offer a christian response to the issues of the day. christian talk radio stations here don't shy away from the topics that can cause such division in this country. often they appear to embrace them. they say we should have an open border at the south side of our country, the southern border, but they live in gated communities. right. that's right. mississippi is said to be the most religious state in the us. here at ole miss university in oxford, there are several active christian groups, and evangelicals are among the republican party and donald trump's most devoted supporters. i can share with others... at the ole miss baptist student union there were many who recognise the president's flaws, but his hardline views on one issue mattered more than any other — abortion. it plays a huge role in every political decision i make.

just because i think human life, at its core, is that valuable. i think there were a significant number of christian evangelical voters who basically held their nose as they voted for president trump, because of the stench of his moral life. but they realised that out of the two there wasn't necessarily a good option, so they went with the person who represented their values in their policies more than the person who lived it out in their personal life. in the calvary baptist church in wisconsin, you'll find people keen to show their deep beliefs, both in god and in conservative values. because i'm overwhelmed by the love that god has for me, i'm going to reach out to the community around me and everyone that i bump shoulders with on a daily basis. but i believe that my conservative view is also tied into that. i don't think that you can separate the two. this is much more than

a bestselling book... the republican party is a natural home for many of the views held by this congregation. but that means they need to put theirfaith in president trump, a man whose lies and alleged affairs suggest a life less than godly. i think that can probably be said of every politician. and i don't know that he's a politician, but we are all sinners saved by grace, and so if he can recognise that and get advice from other people and, you know, surround himself with wise people, then i would be comforted in that. you get the impression that some christians are having to find forgiveness in order to praise donald trump. but the president and his republican party know that in evangelicals they have found something of a political rock. chris buckler, bbc news, oxford, mississippi. we will watch with interest as that

unfolds over the next few days. look at this image right now. carol is in wisley with a look at this morning's weather. looking at that rain, my theory is that there are different kinds of rain. there is that looks heavy that you don't get very worked in. do you know what i mean? what kind of rain is that? carol, how wet is the rain? it is heavy rain! we had lighter rain earlier but it stopped and then came back. nonetheless, it is still beautiful here. just watching the raindrops on seven acres lake is very tranquil. this is a horticultural garden rather than a botanical one and it covers 2a0 acres, split up into different sections. it inspires you to recreate some of what you can see here in your own gardens. so dig a hole and build a lake! it will dry

up hole and build a lake! it will dry up in the west later on and that is the forecast for today. it is also cold across scotland and northern ireland with some frost and the risk of ice on some untreated surfaces in the north of scotland. we have patchy fog in parts of northern ireland, scotland and wales as well as england, especially southern and eastern england with hill fog. we have two bands of rain, one coming in across the south—eastern quarter and another coming in across the west and the north. so parts of north wales, north west england and northern england and they will meet and continue the journey into the north sea, clearing shetland and east anglia last, possibly not until this evening. behind them, sunshine develops rapidly but there will still be some showers in the north and the west. through this evening and the west. through this evening and overnight we lose the rain. it will be a cold night under clear skies with a widespread frost. once again some patchy mist and fog forming. showers will tend to fade

as we go through the night. this ridge of high pressure built them, except across the north west of scotland. a cold and frosty start to the day tomorrow with mist and fog patches lifting and then many of us get off to a sunny start. some of us will hang onto that but it will turn hazy through the day. the cloud will build in the west and the winds strengthen and we see the arrival of some rain. this is due to a deep area of low pressure and embedded in that we have the remnants of former hurricane oscar. you can see the pressure chart friday into saturday moving across the north of the uk. look at the isobars, lots of them, so windy wherever you are on saturday, but the strongest winds will be in the north west of scotla nd will be in the north west of scotland with severe gales even. as well as the wind we are looking at rain. rain across scotland moving through northern ireland, northern england, wales and the south—west of england. for the rest of england it will be dry with sunshine around even. 0n will be dry with sunshine around even. on saturday it will feel much warmer because the winds are coming

up warmer because the winds are coming up from the south. as we head through the night, the low pressure, which has the remnants of former hurricane oscar in it, clears, and then we have a new area of low pressure coming into the south—west but it will not be as potent. thank you, carol. we will see you later. go in where it is dry. it does look quite. —— it does look quite wet. estate agents, solicitors and luxury car dealers who facilitate money laundering and fail to report suspicious activity to the police will be targeted under new government plans. security minister ben wallace will announce today that £a8 million will be earmarked to investigate how rich organised criminals spend their wealth. he's in our westminster studio. good morning and thank you for talking to us on breakfast. what are you announcing with this £a8 million today? what we are announcing is that the new strategy which is about ruthlessly focusing on the highest harms of organised crime is that we

wa nt to harms of organised crime is that we want to not only go after the individuals but their money and their status, which they have procured during this type of activity. some of it is huge amounts of money. the best way to do that is to centralise through what we will call the national economic crime centre. the whole group of government agencies, hmrc, the tax people, the national crime agency, the serious fraud office, and the city of london police, alongside some of the private sector, to use all their expertise to set about the best way to disrupt or deny these people their money. what we know is we get lots of intelligence around the country and lots of investigations. we have financial investigators up and down the regions but it would be better directed based on proper authorities and the priorities of the harm that we face every day and that is what we face every day and that is what we are trying to maximise to make sure that we really deny some of these people, both international cricket council local ones, their

money. isn't there already a system in place called the unexplained wealth order which can be used to read these people out and explain how they are per during their money? there are dozens of tools and that is just there are dozens of tools and that isjust one. we have there are dozens of tools and that is just one. we have asset freezing orders, cash seizure powers, and a whole load of tools that are used every single day. in 2015—16 we convicted people of money laundering. we are keen to make sure that everybody gets to use the best tools appropriate for the job. some of these guys use facilitators and a ccou nta nts of these guys use facilitators and accountants and others to really hide their wealth. what we need a specialist investigators. we don't have hundreds of thousands of them. we need these people to be able to look at it through their eyes and say the best way to go after that asset is to use an unexplained wealth order, to use asset freezing, or to work with our national partners, and the national crime

agency can do that on a daily basis, to freeze the assets abroad or elsewhere. using the best tools appropriate to the job, is there the money available to make sure that officers can do the bestjob with the tools they have? at the moment there is the money. there could a lwa ys there is the money. there could always be more. there could always be more money to cease. we have a system that incentivise is both police and financial investigators and all the prosecutors. some of the money seized gets to be reinvested, over 50%, into their activities. money seized gets to be reinvested, over50%, into theiractivities. if they get lots of money, they will get more to carry on doing their job. the key thing here is that we are offering up against people who really disguise their money. they harbour it in property and they use companies around the world, and u nfortu nately, companies around the world, and unfortunately, and i get as impatient as everyone else, it takes

time and skill. it means looking at hundreds of thousands of documents sometimes. that is how these guys get away with it. we are really investing in that and that is why it needs speciality. alongside this we will be using people like gchq to use their historical intelligence gathering capabilities and their understanding of computers to actually give us an extra stick in this process to make sure we really get to the bottom of who has what and how we can make sure they don't use it. i don't think many people will argue that targeting high and crime is a necessity. but this is in an environment where people are being told we are under the impression that burglaries are not being reported, people are being told we haven't got the resources to investigate it, and sara thornton, the chair of the national police chiefs is calling for a refocus on co re

chiefs is calling for a refocus on core police activities, warning that resources a re core police activities, warning that resources are stretched. what about people, day—to—day crimes, crimes committed against them on a daily basis, being told that more money should be spent on high and crime that lets more money? first of all, sarah thornton is absolutely right and she is talking to police chiefs at that conference. i agree with her that local police chiefs should be free to decide the priorities in their constabularies, guided by elected locally police and the commissioners and i think what he has been saying is there is often a lot of pressure from the centre to pick this offence or that one. i stand by her comments that professional police with their knowledge and experience should be free to choose the most important crimes to their area and it is usually guided, and all the ones i know, are guided by harm and what harm is done to people. but often

the minor crimes that you see on your street are often linked to organised crime. county lines, we have heard over the last few months, where organised crime groups have taken over up and down the country the distribution of drugs, even small amounts of drugs, by placing people in market towns and small communities, in villages, running up and down the country, using secure smartphones to distribute those drugs. that is driving some of that local crime that we see everyday. it is driving the burglary because it is driving the burglary because it is feeding the addicts. what i am determined with this strategy is to say look, it starts with the foot soldiers on the street that you and i see, sometimes exploited people, sometimes ruthless and aggressive individuals, who are doing what you andi individuals, who are doing what you and i might see as low level crime, but it ends with some very wealthy people at the top of the pyramid. like the mafia programme on bbc. it sta rts like the mafia programme on bbc. it starts with a man in a suit swanning around a nice part of london and it

ends with a child being trafficked across international borders for sex. that is what organised crime is all about and it touches us all. can i ask you a brexit question? it has been reported that theresa may has come to some sort of deal giving uk—based financial services access to europe in the process of brexit. cani to europe in the process of brexit. can i ask about europol? there are 16 members of staff working for europol, an exchange of information, and crimes worked on religiously as well. —— 60 members of staff. have they been given notice? nobody has been given notice. what has happened is that we have said, and we have been open about the security treaties with the european union, no matter what happens in the other treaties, it is really important. i know when i speak to european police officers and european intelligence

officers and european intelligence officers and european intelligence officers and politicians, that they also believe that is really important. security in policing is not a competition like trade is. it isa not a competition like trade is. it is a partnership. we are all better off with those types of partnerships. we have said that we would like as far as possible pretty much to mirror what we have got now. that is what the prime minister and dominic raab are trying to negotiate. i saw some of the stories this morning, but i am not sure where we have got on the negotiations. it is above my pay grade on that level. that is our ask and that is what we want to do. we are one of the founding members of europol. we have put a lot in. i know the professionals recognise that. we have just know the professionals recognise that. we havejust got know the professionals recognise that. we have just got to make sure we support the prime minister getting that over the line and we have some form of security treaty because it is in everyone's interest, european citizens and british citizens. ben wallace, thank you for talking to us this morning. it isa you for talking to us this morning. it is a 20 7am, meaning it is time

good morning. some relatively quiet weather to come over the next couple of days before it turns wet and windy into the weekend. the remnants of ex—hurricane oscar will be moving their way in before this morning. quite a bit of cloud in central and eastern areas, but that will clear away. today it will turn brighter and there will be decent sales of sunshine across most parts. still have that rain in eastern areas and it may take until later on this afternoon to clear away from east anglia. showers coming into western scotland, a few showers in north—west england and west wales. temperatures getting up to 8—12. that area of rain will continue to

clear and eventually it will move away from east anglia. then we are looking at clear skies overnight tonight. for many quite a cold night, apache frost to take us into friday morning. 12 misty fog patches as well in southern and western areas. but it will be a beautiful start to the day, lots of sunshine, a crisp, sunny day. cloud increasing from the west and sunshine turning hazy across northern ireland. maximum temperatures on friday about 9-12d. maximum temperatures on friday about 9—12d. this blue behind me is the rain from the remnants of hurricane oscar. the area of low pressure will move its way up towards iceland. but turning quite wet and windy. rain moving its way through much of scotla nd moving its way through much of scotland and northern ireland and clearing later in the day. the rain spreads further southwards and eastwards by the end of saturday.

quite a strong wind from the south—west. but it will be fairly mild. temperatures 13—16. more rain on sunday, but the wind will gradually ease off. this is business live from bbc news with victoria fritz and sally bundock. bracing for apple results. the world's most valuable company reveals how it performed in the three months to september — has it hit a stumbling block in china? live from london, that's our top story on thursday 1st november. depending on how its done,

in the three months to september apple's results have the power to lift confidence in tech stocks and even global markets but there are concerns about it's sales in china. also in the programme, there are reports of a deal between the eu and the uk on financial services — sending the pound higher.